Can someone explain to me why some people WANT to see male collabs?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:22:50 2022 No.33565727 [Reply] [Original]

Can someone explain to me why some people WANT to see male collabs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:23:50 2022 No.33565793 Funny is funny and I'm bisexual

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:23:53 2022 No.33565797 Subversion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:24:07 2022 No.33565807 >>33565727 some people have cuckold fetish

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:24:45 2022 No.33565849 To spite unicorns

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:24:51 2022 No.33565855 >>33565727 I like these males

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:24:58 2022 No.33565862 >>33565727 The seething in here is funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:25:00 2022 No.33565866 Ask Kronii lol.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:25:07 2022 No.33565875
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Roasties and male feminists who hate Hololive for offering an alternative to vapid ethots. They don't actually watch these collabs, they just want to stick it to the incels and the "pickmes"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:25:57 2022 No.33565929 >>33565855 And their in gen collabs have been great. Why add the awkward women who can barely interact with each other into the mix when they already suck at playing off their own gender?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:26:03 2022 No.33565940 >>33565727 Ask her, she's the one who made the tweet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:26:09 2022 No.33565944 Because I am homophobic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:26:23 2022 No.33565960 >>33565727 There's X content available in a smaller pool of collabs and >X content available in a bigger pool of collabs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:27:18 2022 No.33566016 >>33565727 Because men can't have nice things So cucks and troons want to subervert cgdct

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:27:48 2022 No.33566056 >>33565727 because I literally don't care as long as the streamers are funny

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:28:01 2022 No.33566070 >>33565727 To own the incels and unicorns, what else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:28:05 2022 No.33566074 >>33565727 I just love to see unicorns losing their shit on this site, one of the most entertaining things to happen in a while actually

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:28:25 2022 No.33566099 >>33565727 Well, a lot of people who watch vtubers are sad. Some of the saddest ones learned that the word "gaiety' means happiness so they're trying to make themselves gay so that they're not sad anymore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:28:42 2022 No.33566120 File: 17 KB, 873x183, EoqS5KDXEAgqIPW.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Everything you love with become corrupted and ruined if you don't fiercely protect it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:29:20 2022 No.33566154 File: 34 KB, 200x221, 1639450814464.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33565727 fun is fun retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:29:35 2022 No.33566169 >>33565727 unironically because it makes gachikoi and otaku seethe, most of them don't even watch streams

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:29:36 2022 No.33566172

>>33565727
They want Hololive to burn and die so that their oshi's 3 view corpo can rise from the ashes and claim the title of king of numbers or something.
Also, the thing that feminists hate the most is seeing men enjoying anything at all and so they will always seek to destroy whatever it is that they perceive that brings others joy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:29:37 2022 No.33566173 >>33565727 because otherwise the men get low views when they stream on their own the women need to save them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:30:02 2022 No.33566205 Uncle Nowa is amusing and your oshi wants to have a nice chat with him, that's the whole premise, facts don't care about your feelings

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:30:06 2022 No.33566209 >>33566074 >>33566070 dot dot dot

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:30:28 2022 No.33566230

>>33565727
I’m just watching to be entertained and I’m not hung up on some figment of a psuedo-relationship with the girls. If anything I see it more as being a fan of a popstar and attending her concerts and buying her mercy and oh hey, bonus, she also likes to play video games and stream and chat with fans. I just find them entertaining and cool, affection isn’t part of the equation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:30:36 2022 No.33566239 >>33566154 Go tickle your prostate with BBC then

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:31:33 2022 No.33566302 >>33566230 >being a fan of a popstar and attending her concerts and buying her mercy that's parasocial though

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:31:47 2022 No.33566319 >>33565727 They don't. Her fans doesn't want it. The fujos do not want it. No one watches them. It's about punching down the incels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:33:02 2022 No.33566411 >>33566302 that's called being a fan, you're doing that mental gymnastics thing again

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:33:26 2022 No.33566433 >>33566411 yes, and it's parasocial

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:34:08 2022 No.33566473 >>33566433 he can't wrap his brain around it anon, give him some time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:34:21 2022 No.33566491 >>33565727 Nobody does. The ones pushing it are just a group whose hobby is to make other people as miserable as they are. To take away something that someone else likes and enjoy the reaction. It's all over the board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:34:27 2022 No.33566495 >>33566302 Whatever you chose to describe it, I’m not bothered by them streaming and working with members of the opposite sex. Feel free to throw on your labels, your views and feelings don’t apply to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:35:18 2022 No.33566560 >>33566411 fandom is parasocial you care about a person you don't know and that certainly doesn't know you

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:35:43 2022 No.33566590 >>33566495 ok but that has nothing to do with your first post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:36:42 2022 No.33566645 >>33565727 >Gays >Women >Cucks

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:36:53 2022 No.33566659

>>33566433
i like punk rock bands, i have their t-shirts and i go to see them at shows, but i'm not going to shitpost and throw a bitchfit on /mu/ when they stop playing because i'm not retarded

separate your ego from your likes and dislikes, that's cringe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:37:08 2022 No.33566672 >>33565727 People who don't watch Hololive

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:37:17 2022 No.33566685
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Because I don't actually care about vtubers outside of them being a source of entertainment. And the collabs can be entertaining depending on who is there. I mostly hang out with men, I'm not some faggot who's afraid of other men.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:37:20 2022 No.33566694

If the collab is good, it doesn't matter who it's with. The dudes are just more people for EN to collab with.

Like I won't watch most of the EN/JP collabs because they're painfully awkward and typically don't know enough of the other person's language to be able to talk about anything at all.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:39:23 2022 No.33566819

Reddit/Twitter/faggots in general perceive any fan base telling someone what to do as a social injustice. There can be no accountability in the modern zeitgeist otherwise the people themselves would also be held up to standards, which they greatly fear.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:40:02 2022 No.33566855 >>33565727 I self insert as Regis

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:40:12 2022 No.33566868 >>33566819 That's a lot of words for a blank post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:40:33 2022 No.33566883 >>33565727 I dont care about male collab, i just want to make unicorns attacking my oshi seethe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:40:47 2022 No.33566894 I’m honestly curious, for those who are hung up on this situation what were you like before the internet? Did you use to watch sitcoms and yell at the TV ‘Get away from her, Rachel is MINE!’

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:41:14 2022 No.33566919 >>33565727 Because otherwise the lonely viewers who pretend the streamer is their girlfriend might gain a smidge of happiness in this gray world of endless work and taxes, and that a crime far too great to ignore.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:41:20 2022 No.33566926 >>33566855 pop

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:41:26 2022 No.33566931 >>33565727 Marxists get off on subversion and erosion of norms

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:42:05 2022 No.33566970 >>33566868 Stung that bad, huh?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:42:54 2022 No.33567029

>>33565727
To understand this you have to understand to brain of an homobeggar watching for the first time a female chuuba and his complete bewilderement at them not being a male and not being any kind of male for her to fuck with. Such an extreme seethe is a sight to behold.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:43:09 2022 No.33567047 >>33566931 So do Populists, it cuts both ways.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:43:17 2022 No.33567060 >>33565727 They don't want to see male collabs, they want to see people unhappy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:43:28 2022 No.33567077 >>33566970 I got you to respond without reading your post and now we're wasting time together, that means I won

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:43:44 2022 No.33567099 Male collabs make unicorns neigh. Which causes unicorns to kick and shit on everything.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:44:00 2022 No.33567118

>>33566659
and no one would be angry if she stopped streaming
this is more like a punk rock band releasing a pop single, saying it was just a one time thing to assure their fans, then releasing a pop album, saying they never liked the punk rock culture and shitting on their old fans for not liking their new songs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:45:05 2022 No.33567174 >>33566894 That's the funny part, these people are all either literally 16 years old or have the brain of a 16 year old due to poor socialization/Autism.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:46:03 2022 No.33567229

>>33565727
Because I’m a schizo, whenever a girl refuses to collab with a male I can’t help but to think she hates him, but then I start thinking “what if I became a vtuber?”, she wouldn’t want to collab with me, she wouldn’t want to talk to me, she would hate me, and just the thought of a girl I like hating me and ignoring me makes me really depressed, I don’t want girls hating me, ever, not even in an impossible scenario in my head.
So when a girl doesn’t want to collab with a male I start crying because I imagine she hates ME.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:46:21 2022 No.33567248 >>33567118 see, you're imagining things to be angry at again, that's dumb, she's not trying to disassemble the establishment or some shit she's just making a personal decision and she doesn't care if you don't like it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:46:33 2022 No.33567263 >>33566894 >watching sitcoms or TV kill yourself normalfag

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:47:39 2022 No.33567343 >>33565727 couplefags exist. in niji jp they are one of the majority fanbases. ofc they arent any better than unicorns. have too many schizos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:48:40 2022 No.33567412 >>33567248 >don't you guys have friends of the opposite sex >unfortunately the idol culture is a thing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:49:17 2022 No.33567452 >>33565727 I don't seethe if I see male and female being together in anime, youtube, singing, TV news or whatever. Why should I care with vtbers?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:49:23 2022 No.33567455

>>33565727
It can be much more entertaining, multiple minds can crack jokes easily than solo and showcase much more stuff like skits, but no one is fooled here.
What these contrarians want is just to stir trouble, probably deviants getting sexual pleasure from it. Normal people that enjoy mixed interviews are not waiting, persisting and demanding vtubers to cater to them, there’s a whole world of options outside.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:49:37 2022 No.33567472 >>33565727 To watch /vt/ mald

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:50:25 2022 No.33567527 jannies are literally just deleting random posts if they don't like it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:51:07 2022 No.33567561 >>33565727 so i can virtue signal on twitter, no i wont watch streams or support the talent myself. why would i?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:51:52 2022 No.33567601 >>33565727 hololive is a women's agency, built on the talent and effort of women. they don't like for women to have a space like that in the medium and want to send men in to tear it down.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:51:53 2022 No.33567602

>>33567412
i don't think it's her fault if you took that as a personal attack, that says more about you than anything else, you could just watch somebody else but instead you're arguing about something that doesn't even matter because you're too invested in it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:52:25 2022 No.33567632 >>33566894 Were sitcoms ever based around idols? Was Rachel depicted as an idol? Did rachel shit on the fans of the show?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:52:52 2022 No.33567660

>>33565727
fun streams are fun. male collab streams aren't intrinsically better than streams without males or anything but if both streamers are entertaining the stream will be fun. if the options are her having creative freedom to do whatever she wants to make her stream entertaining and interesting or kowtowing to people who go psycho if you step outside of their arbitrary boundaries, the former is obviously going to produce better entertainment

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:52:56 2022 No.33567663 >>33567455 Is that why we have so much female talent in male sports... But wait we dont.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:53:30 2022 No.33567698 File: 3.53 MB, 520x293, 16103495780987543.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Have you considered streaming DO U?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:53:34 2022 No.33567704 >>33565727 >Kronii >taking a selfie while being cute and girly >with anime merch around her This is false advertising.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:53:35 2022 No.33567707 >>33567047 Populists aren't subversive by nature, by definition they appeal to popular sentiment, if it erodes norms then that is coincidental

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:53:48 2022 No.33567716 >>33565793 Based

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:54:05 2022 No.33567735

>>33566894
Thats this genre's target audience, well socialised adults with friends and a girlfriend arent watching a 4 hour stream of a cartoon png warping left to right and making child voices with light themes of japanese pop culture. It's like wondering how league players had a normal life before the game came out (they didn't)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:54:45 2022 No.33567791 >>33565727 >>/vt/thread/33541003 >>/vt/thread/33541003#p33542163 tl;dr SEA

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:54:50 2022 No.33567798 >>33567698 I don't, I've seen her face already

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:54:52 2022 No.33567800 >>33565727 Some people enjoy being cucks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:54:58 2022 No.33567805 >>33566894 I wasn't into idols back then. I'm more enlightened now.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:55:14 2022 No.33567815

I feel like people are just being intentionally dense about the whole wanting male collabs vs wanting talents to be able to collab with whoever they want without people pissing their pants
either way i dont watch EN or homos so meltdown is a win for me

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:55:48 2022 No.33567848

>>33567452
You don't understand op's question.
Do you specifically WANT them to collab with men?
Like, if you're able to enjoy their entertainment no matter what they do, then you'll also be ok if they never collab with men, right?

This push for collabing with men that end up turning the fan base against each other, what is it all for?
Who is it all for?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:55:53 2022 No.33567854 they don''t care about content, they dont watch streams, they just want either the drama of a culture wars victory

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:56:47 2022 No.33567898 >>33565727 Why not? They are all talented streamers. Whats the difference?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:56:47 2022 No.33567897

>>33567735
vtubing is beyond mainstream, your concept about needing to have warped priorities or be socially maladjusted to be invested is pure fiction. its normie entertainment, your personal failings just lead to you making a spectacle of yourself to the annoyance of the socially adjusted people enjoying the streams

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:57:41 2022 No.33567959 Women aren't entertaining or funny by themselves.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:57:56 2022 No.33567972

>>33567848
i don't care about collabs with the guys
i just don't like seeing people crying to get their way in an attempt to police the chuuba
keep rewarding this type of loser behavior and eventually it will come to a point where it affects something i do like
make sense?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:58:02 2022 No.33567978 >>33567632 Vtubers are just streamers, though. Same shit happens to RL streamers like Pokimane so it's not like its an issue exclusive to Vtubers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:58:08 2022 No.33567986 >>33567848 The Russians did this, I'm sure of it, we gotta do something

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:58:14 2022 No.33567994 i want this manosphere pandering to be destroyed, i want incels seething and being miserable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:58:37 2022 No.33568013 >>33565929 Precisely because of that, because with the males they won't hold back and have more interesting banter, but insecure schizos are too afraid to expand their taste

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:58:46 2022 No.33568027 >>33565727 Maybe this is a hot take but I don’t even watch most collabs. I want to watch my oshi, I don’t have much interest in the collab partners

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:59:03 2022 No.33568038 >>33567972 That's a needlessly wordy way to say "to own the haters"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:59:04 2022 No.33568039 >>33566894 >friends turns into a grimdark action series >jennifer Anniston comes out and flipflops about the issue >eventually just shits on the fans that was the comedy back

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:59:30 2022 No.33568049 >>33567815 These people are either actually mentally ill anons with a chris chan like hatred of other males or dramawhores who dont really like vtubers and are only here for the drama.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:59:36 2022 No.33568057 >>33568038 if that's the depth of your understanding then ok

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:59:43 2022 No.33568065 >>33567663 I don’t get your point, explain it better. Also in sports is either the institutions separating genders or the avid females flocking to known players for a chance of an adventure, and even better, get a kid to use.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 17:59:47 2022 No.33568066 >>33567897 >vtubing is beyond mainstream You're fucked in the head, watching streams isn't even considered normal yet, let alone watching streams of an anime girl

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:00:14 2022 No.33568089 i want to use buzzwords to trigger /vt/sisters for my personal amusement, because they are ridiculous and they make me laugh

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:00:42 2022 No.33568113 >>33568066 Every single kid watches streamers. Vtubers are also getting pretty big on twitch. Its not really niche anymore.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:00:59 2022 No.33568128 [DELETED]

>make on-topic posts
>jannies delete all of them for no reason
>wtf why are the jannies deleting my posts
>"uhmm that post is off-topic, you're temporarily blocked from posting"
Why are they like this? They act like discord mods who never even been on 4chan before

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:01:56 2022 No.33568183 >>33568066 >watching streams isn't normal yet this is how i know you're divorced from society man, my little sister is peak normie and literally watches valkyrae and sykkuno every day

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:01:57 2022 No.33568185 >>33567978 What are you talking about? Same what? Where is the response to what i said?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:02:07 2022 No.33568191 >>33568066 you're just plainly out of touch anon, even facebook invested in streaming, it is not a stigmatized form of entertainment in any way

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:02:28 2022 No.33568210

>>33568039
But the comedy never went away, they are just doing a couple grimdark episodes once in a while since some people like them. You are free to only watch the comedy. "Jennifer Anniston" is shitting on the fans that are calling her a whore for not pretending to be their e-gf.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:02:33 2022 No.33568216 >>33568128 /vt/ jannies are notoriously dogshit, and who can blame them really. imagine moderating this board without ending up in a ward

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:03:13 2022 No.33568256 >>33565727 to see kino like https://youtu.be/rw4oGLCnKdA and https://youtu.be/Bxf9gJQxq7U

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:03:51 2022 No.33568286 >>33568183 both of those streamers have collaborated with n*jis too, people don't understand how close to the cultural zeitgeist vtubing is today. it just isn't a niche microhobby anymore no matter how hard you cope about it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:04:05 2022 No.33568300 >>33568128 Maybe not enough people that weren’t power-hungry egomaniacs applied?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:04:25 2022 No.33568324

>>33568113
As long as watching streams gets associated with xQc or girls in bathtubs it will not be considered a normal hobby no matter what
>Every single kid watches streamers
Kids channels have ridiculous views, are they mainstream? Have you ever heard on the street someone talking about some little girl's channel playing with dolls? In the same vein you don't hear people on the streets normally talking about asmongold or korone

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:04:29 2022 No.33568328 The collabs are funny. I like people from both branches so I think the collabs are pretty neat.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:04:41 2022 No.33568343

>>33568185
You seem to be implying it's ok for Unicorns to be retarded because hololive are "idols".
But I'm pointing out other non-idol streamers receive the same kind of shit thrown at them so there's a possible different explanation as to why people act that way towards strangers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:05:46 2022 No.33568412 >>33565727 >Can someone explain to me why some people WANT to see male collabs? That's simple. People are hungry for some hot and potent semen to fill their mouth palates.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:06:08 2022 No.33568431 >>33568324 watch popular streamers do content in public and there will be hundreds of teenagers/adults coming up to them saying hi im such a big fan blah blah blah it's just a fact man

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:06:15 2022 No.33568439 >>33568183 >>33568191 Confirmation bias. Look at tik tok if you want to see what mainstream "numbers" are really like

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:06:36 2022 No.33568461

>>33565727
I can't speak for everyone but I never watched vtubers for GFE and I never was attached to a single vtuber. I follow approx 20 vtubers and only watch streams that I'm interested in and only then I decide if that particular stream has provided me enough entertainment to warrant a SC. Most chuubas I watch are from HoloJP so I understand the appeal of CGDCT because it gives off a certain "fluffy" feeling, but I'm not going to pretend that when girls interact with men their behavior doesn't change. Many women shine when they're with other women but some of them seem to be very bland play by the book types and having men around makes them seem more...alive, I guess? Whether you like that or not is up to you.
I think Kronii has made her choice and I can't blame people who support her after seeing how happy she was in that DBD collab. However, she should have done that without lying to her fans and there's no excuse for that. I dropped HoloEN about a year ago because their content felt stale and recently I have started watching their collabs with Tempus because it provides a new experience. I feel for those people who though that HoloEN was gonna be a walled garden forever and were let down in the end. I hope corns find solace in the idea that not all girls plan on collabing with men and no one should have any problems with that. However, girls who decide to change their content/business model and decide to collab with men in the future should be free to do so without receiving unnecessary hate. There are many content creators and the second anyone feels a certain chuuba is not worth their money, they're free to move on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:07:20 2022 No.33568503 >>33568439 tiktok numbers are accepted as entirely inflated to the point where it's useless, it's why their "content creators" have such a difficult time translating their success onto different platforms outside of the top .001%

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:07:39 2022 No.33568521 >>33568324 You asked if it was mainstream, it is mainstream among kids and teenagers. Of course people are not going to be talking about Asmongold in a random bar but the dude gets 40k viewers regularly, that is more than mainstream cartoons.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:07:39 2022 No.33568522

>>33568343
People know about parasocial behavior. It's also known that when an audience feels like it owns the channel/entertainer it's cringe. No one anywhere thinks it's normal for a total stranger to be able to exert control over another strangers life. Unicorns are the equivalent of celebrity culture but somehow managed to be even more retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:07:57 2022 No.33568538 >>33567897 >vtubing is beyond mainstream not even a unicorn, but anon...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:08:12 2022 No.33568552 >>33565727 Fun things are fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:08:48 2022 No.33568593 >>33568439 If we are going by tik tok numbers then almost everything mainstream is not mainstream anymore. I bet tik tok gets more views than many nfl matches.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:08:56 2022 No.33568595 >>33565793 >and I'm bisexual The actual reason.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:09:25 2022 No.33568630 [DELETED]

>mod deleted my post saying the people pushing this shit are marxists
Amazing, and it's true. The people on twitch that shit on idol culture and "cute girls", one of which ironically collabed with a tempus, are literal unironic self described marxists that are literally and unironically trying to subert and erode idol culture

Fuck off

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:09:32 2022 No.33568637

>>33568324
kids have absolutely gone mainstream on youtube. google ryan's world. he was youtubing at age 8, his merchandise can now be found in every fucking section of Walmart. also if you actually meet people your age with similar hobbies the chances they'd know korone even if they don't actively watch her are pretty high. i dont know why you're so adamant about this when you don't seem to be speaking from much experience

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:10:17 2022 No.33568670

>>33567897
>>33568113
Girls and women do not watch streams. They do watch non-live videos on media platforms but for every female streamwatcher there are 10 000 male streamwatchers. There are no predominantly female oriented genres of streaming, even female streamers stream to a male audience. Women in general will think poorly of adult men who stream or watch streams because they are so put off by streaming.

Streamwatching is undisputedly a male activity, you can perform your own anecdotal polls and get the same result.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:10:26 2022 No.33568674 >>33565727 HoloEN is not the idol escapism haven HoloJP created somehow it had to get to this for people to realize

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:10:32 2022 No.33568685 I got banned for saying normalfag lmao This board is just twitter now

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:11:05 2022 No.33568720

>>33565727

Because men can be entertaining, too. This is a bait thread with a troll OP, but I believe there's an unbelievable amount of people that actually think that collabs with men are a toxic disaster.

Take a moment to think about that. What that means, what kind of life and twisted environment you'd have to have in order to have such a ridiculous conviction.

It's insane, and so are they

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:11:30 2022 No.33568742 [DELETED]

>>33568630
No anon, mods are just tired of the same post being spammed again and again. I am sure many people pushing against your views are marxists but the majority of them simply want the unicorns to stop harrassing the girls and to stop trying to impose their preferences on streams. They want the girls to retain creative control over their product. Basically, they want you to stop backseating them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:11:34 2022 No.33568749 >>33568670 google sykkuno. or literally any minecraft streamer that became popular in the past 4 years. lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:11:57 2022 No.33568771 >>33568720 People hate male collab, not the makes themselves

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:12:44 2022 No.33568821

>>33568637
>also if you actually meet people your age with similar hobbies the chances they'd know korone even if they don't actively watch her are pretty high
The point of mainstream is that they would know her *even* without being invested in streaming or anime
For example Hatsune Miku is mainstream

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:13:06 2022 No.33568842

>>33568670
the fact that stream viewership thus far is male dominated does not make it not mainstream or stigmatized. you could do the same poll about playing videogames. if you exclude mobile games, the number of males will dominate females for any game. are you gonna argue videogames aren't mainstream?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:13:19 2022 No.33568853 >>33568742 >the majority Something you people continuously claim and act like is indisputable >everyone who disagree is a unicorn The bottomless irony of your retarded post

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:13:22 2022 No.33568856 >>33568720 Men acting cute don't get my pp hard, tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:13:46 2022 No.33568884 >>33568742 >you're not allowed to voice your opinions on 4chan because it hurts their fee fees They shouldn't come here then

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:14:02 2022 No.33568897 I think people here are speaking of two different things when they use the world "mainstream" If we ere talking about sheer numbers fucking anime with loli would be mainstream judging by youtube and instagram numbers

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:14:14 2022 No.33568909

>>33568670
Girls and women certainly watch streams. Sure, boys and men watch them on greater volume but female weebs and nerds exist. Women who are not nerds or weebs will think poorly of adult men who watch female streamers who specifically cater to a male audience. Its not hard to see why. You seem to be trading purely in generalizations anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:14:49 2022 No.33568928 >>33568630 If marxism means retards like you get the rope then count me in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:14:56 2022 No.33568937 I want to see her collab with whoever she wants. I applaud the removal of any restrictions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:14:59 2022 No.33568940 >>33565727 I like HoloEN. I like Tempus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:15:27 2022 No.33568968 >>33568937 So when is that Kson collab?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:15:44 2022 No.33568984 >>33565727 Drama/harassment, exposing which vtuber is a hoe, and fun shitposting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:16:02 2022 No.33569007 >>33568842 >if you exclude mobile games Let's go the extra mile and exclude FIFA, CoD and GTA. There, eliminated more than half of the gamers along with women

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:17:10 2022 No.33569074 >>33565727 Unironically they just want to piss off part of their fanbase. That's it. Namely, the part that financially supports the most.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:17:29 2022 No.33569092

I don't think the majority is just gunning for 'males' in particular. It's MCU syndrome - everyone MUST collab with each other at least once. They haven't interacted before, so how do you know they WON'T be incredible? Imagined potential kino is always better than the real thing.

There's always this curious absence of discussion around the specific male collabs so far, people who seem to support it just go "Oh, it was very funny! Oh, the banter was good!" but they rarely talk about what happened. There's nothing quotable. There're no memorable moments. The fact that the stream happened, between who, and bringing up who has yet to collab, seems to be always overwhelmingly more important than what actually occurred.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:17:37 2022 No.33569097 >>33568968 Heck if I know, but I hope they play a game worth watching.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:17:56 2022 No.33569116 No problem with the girls streaming with the guys but if I post kronii x vesper just for laughs in her chat should I expect a ban since the little I've looked into this drama says "shipping her with mumei good, shipping her with penis illegal".

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:18:03 2022 No.33569125

>>33568909
The western fujo audience can't sustain the EN homo's, you weirdo. You're talking about subcultures within subcultures here...none of these are mainstream, and they never will be, no matter the amount of shilling you do on twitter. You will never be more than a sidenote in chuuba history. Cope and seethe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:18:33 2022 No.33569145 >>33568749 >>33568842 >>33568909 I'm responding the claims: >vtubing is beyond mainstream >every single kid watches streamers Both claims are false for the reasons I stated in my post, and I don't see how you could possibly disagree.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:18:48 2022 No.33569157 >>33565727 Because caring about them collabing with other men is peak beta bitchboy levels that no one except maybe a few Asians should ever reach. I hope some of the males start actually screwing the females. >Y-YOU'RE A CU- I'm married.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:19:23 2022 No.33569185

>>33566433
Yes, it is parasocial. But parasocial is not a bad thing, and to be clear being parasocial does NOT mean you want the streamer to be your girlfriend.
Being parasocial just means there is 1 of them and a lot of you. But so what? Is there a reason you pointed out this irrelevant fact to the conversation? Note that the person you quoted did not use the word.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:20:15 2022 No.33569236 >>33565727 I just like collabs in general. They can often bring out new facets of the streamers we might not always see solo. I don't care about the gender. Some of the small group mixed gender collabs in Niji are a lot of fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:20:33 2022 No.33569254 >>33565727 So the women learn how to be funny or entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:20:55 2022 No.33569278 >>33569092 No, some girls made it clear that they hate the "idol culture" so they're intentionally collabing with makes as often as they can to change the culture. They hate their fans.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:21:04 2022 No.33569285

>>33569145
I agree with you that vtubing is not mainstream but streaming is mainstream within the audience of kids and teenagers. And vtubing is getting more and more popular within that demographic even in the west, ironmouse gets huge numbers regularly. I am not saying vtubing will ever become mainstream but I do think regular streaming is.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:21:26 2022 No.33569310 >>33566659 >I like punk rock bands Anon, there are easier ways to say you are an underaged faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:21:31 2022 No.33569318 >>33567897 >beyond mainstream it's not even esports tier, and thats still viewed as really weird. maybe in 20 years it really will become the new marvel superhero thing, but for now it's a niche within a niche.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:21:48 2022 No.33569340 >>33565727 well reasons vary depending on the person, some want to just grow hololive, others do it to own idolfags, or lust

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:21:52 2022 No.33569344 >>33569254 But the men aren't funny or entertaining.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:22:15 2022 No.33569369
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>>33565727
I don't beg and cry for male collabs and scream at the sky on my knees cursing god why there's no male collabs, but when they do happen they're actually pretty funny so I'll never be the kind of person who's adamantly against them. That's just retarded.

I will always be on the side of the talent with this kind of shit. If they want to collab with someone, let 'em. You're a fucking weirdo if you want to prevent collabs. Nobody in the world is actually forcing a girl to collab with a guy. And you know this because there's obviously members in the company who won't do it. And that's also fine.

You're here for entertainment. You're watching internet streamers. There is no way around that.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:23:22 2022 No.33569433

>>33569185
No, parasocial means that you mistake the relationship between audience member and streamer to be an actual relationship rather than you just watching someone you dont know. A parasocial relationship is when you project things into teh relationship that are not really there like romantic affection, familial care and other things. That is why parasocial relationships are bad, the audience member is lying to themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:24:50 2022 No.33569524 File: 271 KB, 2000x1600, big think.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33569433 Why is the streamer pretending to be in a relationship with their chat and asking for money from them if they're not parasocial

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:25:20 2022 No.33569551 >>33568343 No i deny the entire premise of your faggotry Saying you dont want to watch dudes and being vocal about your criticism isnt controlling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:26:22 2022 No.33569597 File: 255 KB, 1434x954, 1646582651353.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33565727 They're the real incels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:26:23 2022 No.33569599 >>33565727 It's literally just to spite the fanbase. Barely any of the people collab begging for males even bother watching the male streamers on their own streams.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:27:18 2022 No.33569652 >>33565727 I like the Stars i don’t really care if they collab with hololive

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:27:18 2022 No.33569651 >>33569524 Because some streamers think their audience is mature enough to realize its all an escapist game and they wont actually think its for real. Other streamers legit want viewers to form parasocial relationships so they can milk them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:27:37 2022 No.33569665

>>33569433
Parasocial relationships aren't bad and they're the main appeal of streaming. Streaming as a medium can't be as entertaining as tv, games or even just clips/videos. People watch streams because it's like hanging out with the streamer. Streamers are surrogate friends, not entertainers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:28:30 2022 No.33569714 >>33569551 >Throwing a tantrum over whoever my streamer of choice wants to stream with, a stream I can easily skip, is not controlling

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:29:03 2022 No.33569739 I'm watching them for entertainment not for escaping into delusions with parasocial relationships. Also I like seeing holotards seethe.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:30:28 2022 No.33569808

>>33569665
Thats the thing, streamers are not your friends and you do not even know them. You are staking personal affection for a person you dont even know and, worse still, is only doing it because its their job. It is akin to you paying a prostitute to be your friend, its fake and unfulfilling and will only keep you from forming actual meaningful friendships.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:31:06 2022 No.33569857 >>33569739 I’ll just say it so the next person doesn’t, blah blah go back to twitter reddit you know the drill

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:31:17 2022 No.33569867 If kronii doesn't want to be viewed in that "horrible otaku" way then maybe she should cool it with "warden of time" and asmr crap. Also switch to a more westernized model.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:31:24 2022 No.33569876 >>33569433 Do you type into the girls chat? Say hi when they start streaming? Plan to visit their streams? If you said yes to these you are parasocial.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:31:45 2022 No.33569899 >>33569714 >throwing a tantrum Your gay characterization isnt applicable to everyone For me i just think every tempus is cancer except for vesper, and kroni is a hypocrite (and also cancer) >warned for off topic Fuck off retard mod it was on topic

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:32:12 2022 No.33569932 >>33569651 >Haha we're all just playing pretend right? >Oh. You're giving me pretend money SCs. >Just saying I won't read those, not worth my time

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:32:51 2022 No.33569979

>>33569808
Sure but that's why most people watch streams and the streamers know it. Saying it's unhealthy isn't going to stop people. Everyone knows that, no one cares. If you have any chance of actually forming real relationships you shouldn't be here anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:33:29 2022 No.33570021 To own the unicorns and to tear down idol culture. What, you think these virtue signalers give a damn about Hololive?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:33:40 2022 No.33570032 >>33569651 Bud, you understand what escapism is right? To remove yourself from the shit situation you are in into a pretend world. What do you think happens when you break this pretend world you've helped create for your viewers?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:34:07 2022 No.33570061 >>33569876 The fuck? Interacting with a streamer is not being in a parasocial relationship. Its just watching a stream. Are you daft? Its only parasocial if you think the relationship is anything other than mere audience member and streamer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:34:57 2022 No.33570110 >>33569651 >>33569932 Any vtuber who projects any kind of idol image (like where they can't openly say they have a boyfriend) and thinks their fanbase isn't full of delusional autists is in complete denial really

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:35:09 2022 No.33570122
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>>33565727
it's western culture

what they care about is moral proselytizing. western culture, especially amongst women, dictates that they must at all times be contrarian and that the most important thing they can do is express their beliefs at all times, regardless of context. this is how they express their Freedom™℠®©, which is basically the only thing they'll ever talk about.

by doing all of this kronii has shown everyone that she rejects filthy jap idol culture and is a true Freedom™℠®© lady. if she had failed to do this she would've have been ridiculed by her fellow Freedom™℠®© ladies for being a slave to asian cultures.

and everyone will tweet in agreement with her for the same reasons.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:35:15 2022 No.33570127

Honestly, when Rev made a video about this, and even Koe had to speak up, I thought they were over exaggerating, or surely just using cherry picked tweets and posts. Then I come on here and boy, they were downplaying the seethe, if anything. You people need help.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:35:47 2022 No.33570156

>>33569932
SCs are not pretend money, they are donations done in appreciation of the streamer's time to entertain. It is like the street performer passing the hat around after a trick. You give them to make sure the streamer has the financial means to continue streaming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:36:07 2022 No.33570184 >>33565727 1. They're gay 2. They're female 3. They don't understand the point of vtubers (hint: it has nothing to do with GFE either) 4. They hate vtubers or their fans and want to see everything burn 5. They're retarded Pick any amount.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:36:10 2022 No.33570190 >>33570061 Oh sorry I didn't realize we were using the made-up version of the word from twitter, I thought we were referring to what the term actually means.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:36:49 2022 No.33570227 >>33570032 I know what escapism is. Escapism is fine, the issue starts when people confuse their escapist fantasy with reality and actually think the streamer is their friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:36:51 2022 No.33570230 >>33565727 imagine the milk that could come out of those.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:37:15 2022 No.33570251 >>33565960 >I must always have maximum content to consoom Sometimes less is more

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:37:43 2022 No.33570292 >>3356572 >General faggotry >The males are actually good >Other perspectives are actually a good thing >Much needed mixup to break the monotony >To collect those sweet sweet unicorn tears

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:38:01 2022 No.33570313 >>33565727 i want this manosphere pandering to be destroyed and incels being miserable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:38:04 2022 No.33570317 >>33569979 I am here because I like escapism from time to time and also understand that escapism is mere fantasy and wont solve my real world problems.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:38:06 2022 No.33570320 >>33569876 I mean... If that's the raw definition of "parasocial," then I guess I'm guilty, but I fail to see anything wrong with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:38:15 2022 No.33570329 >>33570227 Vtuber fans are otaku, otaku live in their escapist fantasies. You shouldn't get into an otaku hobby if you don't like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:38:35 2022 No.33570345 Ayame is right about Kor*ans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:38:58 2022 No.33570361 >>33570061 Many people you retards keep calling unicorns have no such delusion, they just dont want to see dudes and enjoy the kayfabe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:39:10 2022 No.33570370 >>33569157 >implying you can't be a cuck while married lmao

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:39:24 2022 No.33570380

>>33570156
Glad you finally understand. Now tell us who are the mentally handicapped individuals that are paying Kronii in the first place? Because I'll give you a big hint: its not twitter tourists and its definitely not homobeggars that are buying the dakimakuras and oppai mousepads

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:39:34 2022 No.33570394
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>/∞/, *insert low numbers company* falseflaggers, unicorns and numberfags doom posted before the DBD collab even happened
>spammed the board during collab and after with countless NTR and cuckposts like it was the end of the world. a literal meltdown over a talent having fun in a harmless collab
>starts sharing membership only clips with ill intentions and spite, COVER having to flag most of it
>Forced to take a week break because of the absolute meltdown that spilled over to the vtubing community like a plague
I'm determined to save Kronii from the likes of you all, I've decided on it. I'm going to submit an audition to Stars EN2 and do everything in my power to make it. I will be tact and professional through it, even a 2 view nobody like Vesper could make it so can I as a fluent japanese English teacher back in 2016 but never revealing my true intent to COVER. Once I've made it I will establish contact with Kronii personally, guised as a kohai needing life experience from his senpai. I will cross boundaries and contact Kronii through discord and any other means and work her through her depression, I will tell her that life is beautiful and collabing with males shouldn't be a crime against her person. I will cure her cold steeled heart from the ire and malice /vt/ kroniicorns caused in their absolute diaper shitting meltdown. I will be her rock and collab with kronii every week, make her laugh, make her cry and vent herself as a personal friend. All this to one day meet her irl, it will be beautiful, we will possibly elope and once this is all done I will signal to the rest of you sexless losers through my COVER twitter with a single picture(PIC RELATED) to indicate to you all I've successfully completed my task, the only task I will dedicate my life to just to spite this place. Call me spindleanon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:39:49 2022 No.33570410 >>33570361 >kayfabe So do males just not exist in this fantasy world of yours?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:39:53 2022 No.33570417

>>33570190
Yeah, parasocial relationship does not mean watching a streamer. It means thinking that there is more to the relationship with the streamer than there actually is. I dont care where the definition is from but I do care that you understand that merely watching a stream is not enough to form a parasocial relationship.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:40:37 2022 No.33570452 If people wanted to watch mixed collabs nijiEN would have 10 times the numbers they do. But they don't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:40:44 2022 No.33570455 >>33570410 Pretending to be stupid when everyone knows what you're doing doesn't work

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:40:56 2022 No.33570469 >>33570361 And I have no problem with that. I have a problem when they think they can dictate what the streamer can and cant do.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:41:01 2022 No.33570476

>>33570122
I can't believe women give more energy and attention to faggots who don't even care who they are beyond being 'another supporter' than they do to something that gets them fat bank.
>>33570227
I guess my issue is, if I want to pretend the streamer is my girlfriend and I enjoy her cute antics and stories when she's talking to (me), and a decent chunk of other fans do the same thing to the point that the woman makes an avatar to represent (us) and cuddles it, hugs it, plays with it, talks to it, etc., then what the fuck do you expect when they suddenly shift directions in their content? I might be able to move on (because I'll never personally get overly involved), but what do you say to those people who have spent all that time supporting them and psudo-promoting them? Should their air their grievances and talk about what they liked before vs what is now? Isn't that reasonable?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:41:20 2022 No.33570493 >>33570320 Parasocial is just the boogeyman buzzword people incorrectly throw around nowadays when the term unicorn already describes exactly what they mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:41:35 2022 No.33570509 >>33566491 You're talking about both sides

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:41:59 2022 No.33570524

This is like going into a church and seething because everyone in the church is a Christian.
No one is forcing you to be here, just go away if you dont like the culture, you're too normal to understand it. Vtubing isn't for you, stop trying to change it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:43:06 2022 No.33570584
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>>33565727
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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:43:15 2022 No.33570594 >>33565727 it's normies and shippers

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:43:32 2022 No.33570612 >>33570524 Stop trying to change Kronii. She wants to collab with men who are you to stop her?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:44:11 2022 No.33570649

>>33570156
Anon... He's talking about the people who VPN to pay in ARS (often called monopoly money because of how worthless it is) so the SC still registers as red, since the streamer often makes a show of taking red SCs more earnestly. The 'everything is pretend' argument doesn't hold up well when they drop the show upon realizing how little the amount actually is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:44:12 2022 No.33570650 >>33567698 She is not appealing to my eyes, personal preferences

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:44:38 2022 No.33570684 So how long until gura repeats this drama?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:44:39 2022 No.33570685 >>33570469 >dictate Which you people conflate with criticism and statement of preferences >fps streamer starts streaming roblox >people complain and leave >stoo dictating what the streaner can and cant do They are the product dickhead,

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:45:27 2022 No.33570728 >>33570612 She's not an otaku, she doesn't understand the culture, she doesn't like idols. She should just graduate and become a regular streamer. She's an outsider, she doesn't belong here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:45:41 2022 No.33570739 >>33570584 Why are you quoting me when i dont think that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:46:19 2022 No.33570790 >>33570394 this anon get it, based if you truly in

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:46:33 2022 No.33570802 File: 1.84 MB, 2210x1719, 1642325741990.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] kek, omegatranny/meidos uses this thread as honeypot to ban/block unicorn/female only enjoyer

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:46:34 2022 No.33570803 >>33570728 shitaku >>>/jp/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:46:42 2022 No.33570818 >>33570612 Im gatekeeping against the normie orc hordes from various hellish pits

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:46:53 2022 No.33570833 >>33570684 Gura doesn't even acknowledge them, you can wait for a long time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:47:08 2022 No.33570840 >>33570685 If your streamer of choice chooses to stream something you don't like, don't watch it. You'll have plenty of time to watch streams you do like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:47:29 2022 No.33570854 File: 111 KB, 933x952, 1663584978303316.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33565727 Normalfags want to seize the fanbase and exile the gachikois, it's a tale as old as time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:47:30 2022 No.33570857 >>33570803 Anime website, otaku hobby

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:48:13 2022 No.33570891 >>33570612 If she wants to be a 3 view after all her fans leave then more power to her. I'm sure all those twitter likes will keep the roof over her head.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:49:56 2022 No.33570974 >>33570891 >my vitriol is so condensed i wish for her to starve christ..... you sound like an unlikable cunt irl

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:51:34 2022 No.33571070 I easily adapt to circumstances so I want a Kronii X Male 24 hour mating press challenge so we can turn her into a true whore for the upcoming r18 hololive branch

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:52:55 2022 No.33571155 >>33570840 Part of the reason i like my streamer is that they dont stream with or talk about men >just dont watch these blocks of dead content that is full of cancer >oh btw management is also pushing it

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:54:36 2022 No.33571261

>>33570974
It's not a matter of what I want, attacking and lying to your fanbase never goes over well for your career in this industry. The unicorns tried to engage her in an honest discussion and she laughed and mocked them for it. Even if you agree with her stance (which in an of itself is reasonable) it's not a good look.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:54:53 2022 No.33571276 >>33570840 streamers trends spread around their community >>33570854 this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:56:29 2022 No.33571383 >>33570840 and I'm not going to watch her anymore, you're probably too normal to be here if you don't understand why it makes people angry though Also why do you care if people shit on her here? It's not like we can harass her with 4chan posts

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:56:44 2022 No.33571397 >>33565727 its the same as asking why the fuck ntr genre is so fucking popular.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:56:46 2022 No.33571400

>>33565727
>Can someone explain to me why some people WANT to see male collabs?
Youre projecting. No one "wants" it.

There are merely those who don't want it and want to control the tuuber, and those who don't care either way and just want to support the tuuber.

You are on the controlling side.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:57:44 2022 No.33571452

>wanting more or less certain type of content is okay
>unless it's wanting less male collabs
Why? Collabs with males is just content that I don't care about. The underlying reason doesn't matter. I have my preferences and that should be enough. Voicing that opinion is not any worse than saying you want less ASMR stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:58:40 2022 No.33571502 >>33571400 >control the tuuber It's just audience feedback, why is it only a problem when it's about not wanting males?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:58:46 2022 No.33571511 >>33570974 When someone tells the person who is paying their bills to fuck off and then it's that persons fault when the bills don't get paid. Woman logic is fascinating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 18:58:57 2022 No.33571524 >>33571400 >No one "wants" it. Cue the dozens of screencaps wishing for Gura to collab with tempus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:01:02 2022 No.33571649 >>33566685 Mostly agree with this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:01:09 2022 No.33571656 >>33565727 I don't give a FUCK about male collabs I just want her to feel better, but if she WANTS to have male collabs to feel better, then that's just the way it is

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:02:14 2022 No.33571721 >>33571502 imagine telling a streamer to not stream with half of the earths population Good feedback

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:02:25 2022 No.33571730 >>33570833 I wonder if they have the balls to make gura stream with the guys considering her appeal is different from kronii's.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:03:07 2022 No.33571782 i want /vt/ to seethe

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:03:57 2022 No.33571830 >>33570251 Maybe for you and me, but management will always demand more eyeballs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:04:42 2022 No.33571869 >>33571721 It is good feedback because some people hate it and would drop a chuuba if they collab with males.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:05:58 2022 No.33571952

>>33570854
Gachikois are annoying faggots who drain the fun out of everything, that's why they want to see them fail.
>>33571383
Very simple, anon.
Unlike (hopefully) you, some "Gachis" are honestly really stupid and will take the behaviors and mannerisms they get from here to outside the board and will harass the streamer.
If the content of the board was self contained it wouldn't be an issue. But seeing as Cover made a statement about not harassing "talents", I guess you could say that harassment is getting their way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:07:28 2022 No.33572030 >>33571869 males are bad because people will get mad and drop you people will get mad and drop you because males are bad this is called a circular argument and means your feedback is completely worthless

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:07:29 2022 No.33572031 >>33571952 but homobeggars are harassing Gura and no one talks about that

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:07:31 2022 No.33572034

>>33565727
1: I watch streams to be entertained
2: I'm not a sub human collab beggar who begs for everyone to collab
3: I have male and female friends
4: I watch anime that are not shitty rom coms and cute girls doing cute things that are made for losers with no female friends
5: I like to watch schizos have meltdowns because they think that a male talking to a female means that they're fucking
6: The schizo's logic means that i get more pussy than most people and i think that's amazing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:07:36 2022 No.33572039 >>33571952 >idea of fun is shipping and/or getting keked go back to twitter

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:08:03 2022 No.33572061 >>33571952 If you've liked and followed something for a long while, wouldn't you be a little upset if it changed to something you didn't like out of the blue?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:08:30 2022 No.33572091 I just want them to have fun and make friends with whoever they want, the worst shit is not being able to be friends with someone just because of outside pressures

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:09:04 2022 No.33572115 >>33572030 so people aren't allowed to not like male collab?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:09:48 2022 No.33572158 >>33572091 I just want them to produce content that I like. If they fail to do so, I will stop consuming the content. It's that simple.

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If you wouldn't watch your oshi be fucked by another male and then give her the most non-sexual sponge bath ever to wipe the gallons of cum off after and then thank her with tears in your eyes for the privilege, you aren't a real vtuber fan. If you have a JP oshi there's a 99% chance they are an actual IRL shotacon/lolicon and would never be attracted to you in any situation. Unicorns need to give up and try actually caring about the girls they pretend to have feelings for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:10:38 2022 No.33572217 >>33572115 people are “allowed” to do whatever the fuck they want the reality is if your reasoning is based on nothing but what about my feeelinggsss then the streamer has no reason to entertain it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:10:49 2022 No.33572228 >>33571782 there are these types of posts about most of the boards here, why? 2016 ptsd?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:10:50 2022 No.33572230

>>33571721
>imagine telling a streamer to not stream with half of the earths population
Vtubing is female dominated and most of the top western vtubers are female
You would have to go out of your way to actually get a male collab, holostars being one of the few that don't threaten them with falling out of line on stream

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:10:50 2022 No.33572229 >>33572158 Cool, then I will continue watching them while you stop

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:11:01 2022 No.33572245 If you're passionate about male collabs, I'd highly recommend NijiEN! Literally every collab has tons of them. Have fun!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:11:37 2022 No.33572276 >>33572217 Every type of content is about how they make their viewers feel

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:11:48 2022 No.33572289 >>33572115 people are allowed to not like male collabs people are also allowed to like male collabs

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:12:02 2022 No.33572301 >>33571400 Yeah ok dude

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:12:12 2022 No.33572313 >>33572158 If people actually acted on this instead of posturing there wouldn’t be drama in the first place kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:12:20 2022 No.33572320 >>33572229 Post memberships

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:12:56 2022 No.33572353 >>33572229 And that's the issue. People voice this opinion and get called incels and what not over it. When it's simply just about preference for content.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:13:05 2022 No.33572366 >>33572276 every type of content is about what the streamer wants to do don't like it, don't watch it if enough people don't like it, the streamer might change their opinion bitching about it will accomplish nothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:13:19 2022 No.33572380 >>33572289 so what's the problem with people saying they don't like mle collabs? How is that "controlling the chuuba" and not just feedback

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:13:34 2022 No.33572399 Imagine wanting these boring roasties around the Stars

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:13:34 2022 No.33572398
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Truth be told, I don't actually care that much about male collabs on principle, it's just that they're never really entertaining and I watch vtubers for CGDCT.
That being said, I do enjoy laughing at teamates every time Ame does male collabs against their wishes, because they've acted pretentious about her here for a long enough time for it to be hilarious.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:14:18 2022 No.33572434

>>33572039
Who said that? How did you get that out of what I said?
>>33572061
I understand how you feel.
When FFXIV introduced its 2nd expansion and removed a lot of based features I liked, I certainly did not like it. But instead of harassing the creators about it, I just stopped playing until the next expansion when the game became good again and I enjoyed it.
I imagine its possible for anyone to just do that. Besides its one stream. The worst it can do is introduce 1 collab stream every once in a while. You can go do something else if you don't like it.
>>33572031
Call them out. The idea of controlling the streamer and demanding for them to collab or not with someone is annoying.
Chris Chan-like behaviors are incredibly annoying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:14:21 2022 No.33572437 >>33572301 Glad you can understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:14:49 2022 No.33572466 >>33572217 I don't like male collabs, and I voice my opinion on that subject. That's just fan feedback, it's not controlling the vtuber

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:15:08 2022 No.33572491

>>33565727
normalfags need to justify their way of living
they have no dreams or hope, they've already gone home and become family men (or have gfs or resigned themselves to such a fate), hence a chuuba shouldn't represent anything more than vapid entertainment
seeing powerful women (idols) that they're either threatened by and jealous of or can no longer get makes them seethe, they can't even wrap their heads around the idea of pursuing the impossible because either they never did from the start or gave up somewhere along the line, they resent guys who are still playing the game and the power dynamic between idols and their fanbase
as usual, it's about trying to bring others down to their level, whether or not that's out of bitterness or out of "kindness"

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:15:21 2022 No.33572506

>>33572366
>if enough people don't like it, the streamer might change their opinion
>bitching about it will accomplish nothing
"bitching about it" is literally stating that you don't like it. So, they might change the content if enough people do it? Great, that's why people are voicing their opinions over this.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:15:39 2022 No.33572525

>>33572366
>every type of content is about what the streamer wants to do
Ok, so Kronii wanted to do that ASMR stream while holding an avatar of the fanbase and announce a dakimakura of her in an oversized male shirt because... she was just having fun and didn't meant to foster parasocial fans

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:15:45 2022 No.33572528 >>33572434 I guess my biggest issue is that EN, Myth in particular, can barely handle putting together collabs with their own group and now all of a sudden we've gotten 3 cross collabs in like 2 weeks.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:15:58 2022 No.33572539

>>33572380
because if you want your feedback to be taken seriously it has to have substance to it
“I don’t like males because I don’t wanna watch them”
vs
“I think talents should be allowed to stream with whoever they want without outside pressures so they’re comfortable making the content they want to make”

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:16:24 2022 No.33572566 >>33572115 You're allowed to not like it. I'm allowed to tell you that you're retarded for not liking them because your reasoning is that you're afraid of males.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:16:28 2022 No.33572572 >>33566685 >I mostly hang out with men >I'm not some faggot kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:17:22 2022 No.33572619 >>33572572 if you "hang out" with mainly women and aren't fucking any of them, you're definitely some faggot lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:17:34 2022 No.33572633 >>33572539 "I don't like this type of content" is completely valid feedback, stop being a faggot

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:18:02 2022 No.33572658

Man I still remember the good ol days. When the relationship between holo and their fans was still pure, sure there's still purity in JPs but ENs are all entitled ungrateful whores.

back in the day holos said and did things like
>hey what were you doing when I wasn't streaming? Bet you were watching other girls, right.
>please dont use other girls icon when you send supacha
>please dont leave me. It's okay if you watched other girls as long as you're still with me.
>I'm much much better than your girlfriend!
>Miko crying in her return concert because she was worried people would forget her
>Subaru straight up stalked her fans on twitter and being proud of it.
Call it what you want but The girls worked their hardest to grab and keep their audience. And that made us fall for them. Nobody told anyone to fuck off. Respect went both ways. Fast forward to today and you see all these clowns from twitter and reddit spouting bullshit about things they dont understand just for imaginary internet points, talking down to the fans for simply demanding respect from the holos, where has that little paradise gone? When you got 200k subs in the first week of your debut, fans just become part of statistics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:18:06 2022 No.33572663 Because it's funny watching unicorns seeth. Also this.>>33570584 How the fuck would I even have a chance to meet these girls in-person and even then, how the fuck would I know?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:18:10 2022 No.33572669

>>33572539
>“I think talents should be allowed to stream with whoever they want without outside pressures so they’re comfortable making the content they want to make”
This isn't even feedback what the fuck are you smoking? That is not saying what type of content you like or don't like. Feedback IS saying what you like and what you don't like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:18:30 2022 No.33572694 >>33572633 ironically you sound like a woman with how shitty your logic skills are

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:19:04 2022 No.33572732 >>33565727 It makes people I don't like mad, which means it's hilarious

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:19:07 2022 No.33572737 >>33572694 Your example wasn't even a feedback retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:19:07 2022 No.33572736 >>33565727 Because the Tempus males are cool. Simple as.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:19:27 2022 No.33572770

>>33572353
The problem is certain people exacerbating the issue, either because of delusion or malice. I have no problem with people that viewpoint, I don't think it's quite an incel pov even if I think its vastly overblown but the only ones I will look down on are the cuckposters and the people who can't deal with it rationally and lash out in various ways

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:19:48 2022 No.33572788 >>33572658 Kiara still does all of these things, on top of even dumber shit like getting upset about couples on screen sometimes and giving KFP shit if they mention that they're dating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:19:49 2022 No.33572790 >>33572669 thanks for the feedback lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:20:00 2022 No.33572802 >>33572539 >needing a reason to justify liking or disliking something I hate males, Apex and 3D people, simple as.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:20:02 2022 No.33572805 >>33568461 >I never was attached to a single vtuber Because your oshi hasn't found you yet. >got a T3 member gift >decide to check out >cutest thing ever It's been 8 months since and while I don't donate anything, I haven't stopped being a T3.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:20:09 2022 No.33572813 >>33572539 fuck substance, its about noise and chaos, china managed to destroy a branch and retire Coco out, then hololive got friendly again and now has Fortnite and tiktok permissions lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:20:39 2022 No.33572861 >>33572669 I don’t like snow roaches so kronii should stop collabing with mumei This is valid feedback to you kek

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:21:06 2022 No.33572886

>>33572091
Saviorfags are the worst. The "talents" can be friends on their own time, don't fuck up the cute girl content for one audience and don't fuck up bro gaming for another audience. Imagine being called "parasocial" or "unicorn" when you want professional entertainers to act like entertainers by the actual parasocial saviorfag who thinks he's "enabling friendships" by homobegging. This is nothing like asking for collabs because you actually enjoy content created by interactions between certain male and female streamers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:21:31 2022 No.33572911 >>33572861 It absolutely is. Why wouldn't it be?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:21:51 2022 No.33572937 >>33572861 It is

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:22:07 2022 No.33572951 >>33565727 twitter virtue signaling

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:22:13 2022 No.33572957 >>33565727 Anon, do you give a fuck whether it's a man or a woman cutting your hair? Why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:22:30 2022 No.33572971 >>33572802 Yeah I hate apex too. Because it’s repetitive content, the streamers aren’t very good at it, and there’s a lot of downtime. How hard was that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:22:51 2022 No.33572995 >>33572957 Yeah, actually. It better be a faggot or a woman, I need my shit styled right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:23:51 2022 No.33573066 >>33572619 >if you "hang out" with mainly women and aren't fucking any of them, you're definitely some faggot So are the Holomales faggots or are they fucking the girls?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:24:14 2022 No.33573104 >>33572957 Anon, do you give a fuck whether it's a man or a woman sucking your dick? Why?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:24:31 2022 No.33573118

>>33565727
Normal people just watch YouTubers to be entertained, and don't donate ridiculous amounts of money or splurge on merch.

Gachikois/Unicorns chase GFE and will pay for a fake substitute for a relationship because they have no loved ones to spend money on and can't get anything better. They hate their hired escort getting chummy or flirting with other men.

Shippers jack off to e-celebs and their romance, and will gladly encourage male collabs to see flirting and fuel their fanfics.

Twitter/LGBTQ crowd genuinely believe women should be paid for merely existing, and they see loser men preventing YouTubers from talking to other men as a structure of the patriarchy that should be destroyed. They don't care if those YouTubers will lose income from doing so, they'll think they're saving those YouTubers from a life of slavery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:24:44 2022 No.33573127 It sure is exciting seeing what the cataloguefriends are talking about this time. You guys are like a bunch of wild beasts in cages.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:25:02 2022 No.33573145

>>33565875
the thing is that back in the day, the homobeggars at least disguised their homofaggotry as saviorfaggotry. With the EN Homos actually being as successful as the girls, they just took off the guise and just want to subvert. They don't even care about the JP guys anymore

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:25:07 2022 No.33573150 >>33572957 Absolutely

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:25:55 2022 No.33573203

>>33572971
I hate Apex because I hate Apex
There's no need to justify anything, what, are you insecure that your opinion will get dismissed if you don't explain your reasonings
>I will not watch males, good bye
>I will not watch males because *autistic rambling*

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:25:56 2022 No.33573205 It's not so much that I want, but that I like. And if you ask me why I like them, it's because it creates a unique dynamics that makes it entertaining. But I just watch whatever they're willing to stream, some are better than others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:26:26 2022 No.33573242 >>33573127 it sure is exciting isn't it, we're just here to be entertained after all unlike Kronii who's bad at entertaining people.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:27:07 2022 No.33573287

>>33573118
So who do you pander to? The people giving your money or the people giving you ass-pats?
The funny thing is watching these people who donate thousands pretend like they do it just because they 'like the content'. Stop fooling yourself, stop pretending like you're better than those other gachi just because you say 'uh yeah do whatever you want, I don't mind haha!'. Don't think for a second that just because you suck up to her constantly that she considers you more important than the other gachis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:27:57 2022 No.33573335 >>33571952 >everything i dont like is harassment >also its only in one direction Blame management for pushing it douchebag

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:28:00 2022 No.33573340 >>33573287 You pander to the non schizoid fans because they're not worth the fucking trouble.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:28:55 2022 No.33573406 >>33573340 So make less money at your job for no reason. Gotcha.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:29:07 2022 No.33573416 >>33573287 You pander to autist otaku and you stay out of their hobby if you're not one of them

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:30:20 2022 No.33573505

>>33573203
It’s just how the real world works anon. I don’t give shitty meaningless opinions the time of day, I listen to logic and basic reasoning to make my decisions. If you’re unable to justify anything you feel you’re literally a npc with no capacity for anything other than vapid thoughts

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:30:49 2022 No.33573542

>>33565727
I don't explicitly want to see male collabs. I just don't care if they do. If the content and or people are interesting, I'll watch. If not, I won't watch. When they're actually having fun, they're usually entertaining too. I only care to the degree that a bunch of entitled fucks are coming in and saying "you must not collab with X" or "why won't you collab with X? I want you to collab with X!" Stop being a bunch of whiny pissants.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:31:01 2022 No.33573559

>>33565727
because apparently they didn't get to see enough male collabs from nijisanji, vshojo, many other indie and corpo chuubas, and fleshtubers.

hololive HAS to have male collabs, because otherwise it won't conform to their personal set of values which is literally impossible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:31:41 2022 No.33573609 >>33573406 You obviously have never worked with retarded customers and co workers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:31:52 2022 No.33573622 >>33565727 uncultured savages. and damn if it's not high time for someone to bring some civilization on 'em

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:32:14 2022 No.33573647 >>33573406 >filter weirdos that you have to entertain daily otherwise >marginal paycut seems like a reason to me

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:32:21 2022 No.33573656 >>33573505 If 90% of the fans say they hate something the streamer isn't going to do it, you don't need to state a reason

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:32:31 2022 No.33573665 >>33573335 Oh don't get me wrong, I hate shipfags who keep asking and demanding streamers to collab with x. Any demandfag is annoying and Chris Chan-like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:32:41 2022 No.33573682 >>33565727 Subverting and destroying culture is the western faggot way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:33:45 2022 No.33573751 >>33572658 HoloEN is a disgrace to Hololive. >>33573340 Normalfags don't supachat, don't buy merch, don't watch every stream. You would have to be retarded to pander to them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:33:48 2022 No.33573755 >>33572366 Part of the streamers appeal is what content they offer No homos for me, thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:34:47 2022 No.33573807 >>33573609 >>33573647 I have and I have shit on people who make me little money. This is not a small chunk of their money coming in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:35:15 2022 No.33573839 >>33573647 >marginal paycut Do you think non-gachikois are buying oppai mousepads and dakimakuras?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:35:26 2022 No.33573857 >>33573656 true, if there’s an overwhelming majority then generally they’ll listen. never happens though because that takes an extreme situation, and shit like this is a nothingburger to everyone outside of vt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:35:39 2022 No.33573873 I've tried watching holostars streams to give them a chance but idk they are boring and awkward af in a weird way, I hope they work on their chemistry, I also hope to see the male equivalent to pekora in the near future

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:36:16 2022 No.33573907 >>33573857 So just saying you don't like something is proper feedback

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:36:21 2022 No.33573916 >>33573505 >It’s just how the real world works anon. In the real world your complaints don't matter for shit in absolutely any place, in fact in the real world the less you explain the better. Facts only hold in the courtroom

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:36:25 2022 No.33573921 >>33568013 could you expand on what exact kind of banter that is you're projecting to come out of such endeavours? sure girls only collabs are of limited taste but it's better than the flip side of the coin like depraved coomer banter as one example

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:37:12 2022 No.33573972 >>33573751 >dont buy merch Speak for yourself. The first merch i ever bought was tempus t shirts, i got one for my two sisters, nephew, cousin, two friends who can't get it due to shipping, and one for myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:37:15 2022 No.33573977 >>33573839 do you think she doesn’t understand that? clearly she made the assessment and decided it was worth it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:37:50 2022 No.33574007 >>33573751 >You would have to be retarded to pander to them. In Kronii's case, you just have to be a narcissist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:38:21 2022 No.33574040 >>33573907 no, the streamer is just forced to acknowledge it if it’s ubiquitous enough. duh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:38:30 2022 No.33574048 >>33573242 Oh, one of them is talking to me. If you do a flip I have a little treat for you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:38:30 2022 No.33574049 >>33573609 >>33573647 If the loudest smelliest most foulmouthed retard gave me a $500 dollar tip every time I served him people would be racing to serve him, and you would too, he's not asking you to lick his shoes retard

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:38:33 2022 No.33574051

>>33565727
I didn’t care until unicorns got irrationally angry at something that didn’t happen yet and telling me/us that if the girls even talked to Males/Tempus it would ruin Hololive and idol culture forever and that they might as well be having full blown procreational premarital sex… despite the fact Hololive had cross corporate cross gender collabs in the past and no one blinked an eye and idol culture having nothing to do with not talking to men and has nothing to do with girlfriend experiences just because some talents deciding to do it (and there being a proven track record that 90% of GFE content creators having real relationships that they try to hide to take advantage of depressed lonely men).

TL;DR Schizos made me want to shove it down their throats out of spite because they won’t shut up about their own cuck fantasies that play in their own head

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:38:55 2022 No.33574082

>>33570380
No. SC come from a variety of sources but like I said they are donations. If you do not like Kronii's content then dont SC her. What is absolutely degenerate behavior is to berate her for not pandering to you. That is one of the hallmarks of a potential parasocial relationship, just as you dont owe her anything, she does not owe you anything. Also, stop pretending you are in the majority of superchatters, mori and ame have always been top SC earners in HoloEn even though they also are two of the yabbiest talents.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:38:55 2022 No.33574083 >>33573977 No, she just listened to mori instead. Now Mori is celebrating because she owned the idol fags. They're not even trying to hide it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:38:58 2022 No.33574086 >>33573977 >do you think she doesn’t understand that? I don't think she cares, just wanted a soap box.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:39:22 2022 No.33574101 >>33574049 yeah that’s because we’re poor lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:39:57 2022 No.33574130 >>33573977 Or she's fucking stupid, or out of touch with her fanbase due to autism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:41:05 2022 No.33574215 >>33570476 I think those people already got what they paid for and should look to move on if they dont like teh content anymore. Spamming threads and calling the streamer a whore is a telltale sign of parasocial behavior and not very healthy overall.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:41:16 2022 No.33574223 >>33572861 Conflating racism into the argument is a strawman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:41:23 2022 No.33574230 >>33565727 Shipping.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:41:33 2022 No.33574239 >>33574101 Yeah and Kronii was a failed dead end VA, and she won't keep this vtubing job forever

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:42:12 2022 No.33574280 >>33572861 It could be valid, and it would hold no weight because nobody but ricecels think like that

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:42:48 2022 No.33574308 >>33565727 I just want the talents to have fun. Because it's fun to watch vtubers when they're having fun. If they want to collab with the guys, they should do it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:43:55 2022 No.33574367

>>33570649
Of course the money is not pretend but the act vtubers put is. Vtubers are actors and they are paid to put on an act. However, they still maintain creative control over their act. My point is double. First, people should not confuse the act with a genuine relationship. Second, people should not try to wrestle the creative control from the streamer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:44:57 2022 No.33574435 "they" (twitter trannies, nijiantis) don't watch holostreams. they just want to subvert fanbase.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:45:31 2022 No.33574470 >>33571721 She has been doing that ever since debut though

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:45:44 2022 No.33574486 >>33570584 Why would I watch them then? Women aren't entertaining.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:45:50 2022 No.33574497

>>33570685
No anon. I have no problem with people leaving. Stop strawmanning. The issue is people nonstop spamming and calling them whores to the point they have to make actual announcements to tell fans to stop being dickheads. Just because you dont like your oshi collabing with males it does not make them a whore or the downfall of vtubing. Just say you dont like it and move on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:47:17 2022 No.33574585 I can't wait to join StarsEN in the future and collab with the girls because I am a degenerate who leans towards shotas and girls (males) and unironically get along better with women than men

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:47:22 2022 No.33574589 >>33574497 They should stop reading 4chan posts then

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:47:48 2022 No.33574618

>>33574367
>wrestle creative control
Is there nobody on earth or no content on earth you would find unacceptable and worthy of criticism?

An audience having a minimum of standards (that have precedent predating the gold digger) is not "wrestling creative control" away

Weird how this same retarded logic just happens to be ruining virtually every creative medium today

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:48:49 2022 No.33574670 >>33574589 must be nice living in a universe where people just stay in the containment board

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:50:15 2022 No.33574747 >>33574670 I don't care what people do outside of this site, why are you blaming us for that

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:50:57 2022 No.33574798
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If you're a newfriend/refugee with good intentions reading this, I'd recommend using this thread and this whole drama period in general to learn how to recognize tourists and normalfags, since they're so easy to spot right now.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:52:22 2022 No.33574885

>>33574618
There you go again with the strawmanning. There is a difference between criticism and calling people whores and actively harassing them on the internet.
Why are you saying that not wanting to see male collabs is having standards? You are not presenting it as merely an opinion but as an aesthetic fact. Get your head out of your ass.
What retarded logic is ruining every creative medium? That fans should not harass women simply for interacting with male coworkers on stream?
It is perfectly fine to not want to see male collabs. What is not fine is to harass the streamers that do male collabs simply because they are not pandering to you that one time.
Stop playing the victim card, people telling you that your criticism is retarded is not them trying to silence you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:52:49 2022 No.33574923 >>33574497 Its gatekeeping, merely saying you dont like it is ignored by subversives, if not encouraging them Hololive is x Your stance is that anything that diverges from x is ok as long as the girls choose it? If not where is your line?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:56:04 2022 No.33575120
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>>33565727
Reading through this thread not seeing a single real answer to OP, glance over to Kiara's stream on my second monitor as she talks about a collab, see picrel. Homobeggars are a fucking disease.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:56:35 2022 No.33575156 [DELETED]

>>33574885
>there you go with the strawmanning
>harassing and calling them whores
Did i do that? Im not going to waste time denouncing that when you dishonest cunts wont even acknowledge a baseline of acceptability
>what retarded logic is ruining every medium
This agitating against any sort of norms and preexisting fanbases

Your entire post is a strawman lmao, literally none of that applies to me

Kys

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 19:58:50 2022 No.33575302 >>33574885 Dumb nigger this is 4chan, they arent and shouldn't be reading these posts, obviously they're not actual criticisms. It doesn't matter what I call them.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:01:27 2022 No.33575447

>>33574923
I dont think hololive is anything more than a streaming company. Many of its vtubers maintain the imagine of an idol company even if it is a bit of a joke. The fun thing about it is that streamers are free to do whatever they think is good entertainment. Whatever the line is, I dont think it should be male collabs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:02:48 2022 No.33575541 >>33575156 I wasnt talking about you specifically but rather what people with your line of thinking have been doing since the inception of hololive. Telling people to kill themselves online wont make your oshi like you more btw.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:03:53 2022 No.33575596

>>33575447
>idol company even if it is a bit of a joke.
This is the problem with the ironic hololive fans that came in post-EN, they can watch Gura literally crying with happiness because she finally felt like a "real idol" after holofes and think she's nothing but a joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:03:58 2022 No.33575602 >>33575447 Ok well the preexisting line in traditional idol culture is male collabs and many people dont like them The idea that this is strange is mentally retarded and gaslighting at best

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:06:12 2022 No.33575738 >>33575447 >its an ironic idol company Holy cancer >>33575541 >people with your line of thinking Which i preemtively responded to smoothbrain, again kys and whack off to your strawman on reddit

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:14:40 2022 No.33576225

>>33575596
I am not saying Gura feeling like a real idol is a joke. I am saying that many of the jp members are playful with the idol elements to the point of treating it as a joke sometimes. You defending Gura because she 'cried tears of happiness upon feeling like a real idol' is a sign of a parasocial relationship. You are actually caring for the streamer enough to defend her honor in 4chan instead of perhaps realizing that shes acting the part of being an idol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:16:47 2022 No.33576344 >>33575738 Well yes, its a streaming company that sometimes does e-idol concerts. Have you ever watched jp streams? They make fun of the idol elements all the time and they tell fans to fuck off fairly frequently.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:19:00 2022 No.33576480

>>33575602
Yeah but vtubers are not in line with traditional culture most of the time. Jp members have collabed with males in the past and the talents are primarily entertainment streamers first who sometimes do idol concerts.
I dont think its very in line with idol culture to play video games but thats literally 90% of hololive content.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:19:48 2022 No.33576536 >>33576344 They shit on the extreme aspects of idol culture >tell their fans to fuck off Disingenuous, lying, ignorant, all of the above?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:21:13 2022 No.33576606

>>33576225
>Objecting to someone shitting on something you enjoy is a sign of a parasocial relationship
Ok, what's your point? I love hololive, I'm not in love with any of the talents because they're entertainers and I don't know them, but I'm not afraid of openly admitting that I enjoy something like you ironic cunts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:21:28 2022 No.33576617 File: 93 KB, 509x615, dsfdsfds.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33565727 cuckold fetish?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:21:35 2022 No.33576624 >>33576536 Uh no, do you actually watch streams? They do call put both chatters and superchatters if they cross the line. And yeah, telling streamers who and who they cant associate themselves is an extreme aspect of idol culture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:22:14 2022 No.33576662 >>33565727 I wish i could collab with a male....

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:22:34 2022 No.33576684 >>33576344 >They make fun of the idol elements all the time and they tell fans to fuck off fairly frequently. I'll predict your next post, let's see... I'll take Laplus saying something retarded for 20

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:23:50 2022 No.33576754 >>33576606 I also enjoy hololive but I do not enjoy the talents being vilified just for not pandering to unicorns 24/7. I think hololive is big enough to accomodate for all types of content without the fanbase being in constant civil war.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:24:08 2022 No.33576773

>>33576480
And yet they are still part of an idol company and retain idol culture. It is not as if the opposite is true as you people imply
>jp members have collabed with males
The jp males are in a different universe to the en males other than perhaps vesper. and how many are collabing with males? And how regularly?
Its not even comparable

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:25:09 2022 No.33576841 >>33576624 >call out So disingenuous then >telling who they can and cant Yeah its disingenuous for sure

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:28:20 2022 No.33577007

Do you people pushing le let them do literally anything even give a fuck about kayfabe? Why are you even here? It clearly has nothing to do with idol culture or characters

Its like some weird detached parasocial relationship with the girls *opposed to* their characters and image, like the latter is harmful or oppressive. Just go watch 3d

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:29:54 2022 No.33577089 >>33577007 But council doesn't have 3D yet anon

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:34:42 2022 No.33577400

>>33576754
Hololive has never tried to accommodate "all types of content" - that's literally what nijisanji does, and idol culture is what made hololive distinct from it. Why do you retards insist on watching the only large idol-orientated chuuba company and then insist that the idol aspect is all a big joke? Just fuck off and watch any of the millions of other chuubas that don't do the idol bit. You are why there is a civil war. You're wearing a red T-shirt, standing in a room for blue people and demanding that everything be made red instead of just going next door to the red room.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:39:06 2022 No.33577692 >>33577007 Not really no. I have no expectations or cares beyond this being some people using an anime avatar. Traditions and associated idol culture is largely shit. Most of the practices are ultimately bad for everyone involved and no one wins.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:44:03 2022 No.33577976 >>33577692 So then watch twitch whores behind avatars then cancer

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:46:55 2022 No.33578126

>>33566169
>unironically because it makes gachikoi and otaku seethe
>most of them don't even watch streams
The fucking irony of these two statements. The people who want to make "unicorns le seethe" are just about the least likely people to watch anything beyond the flavor of the month twitter clip.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:48:16 2022 No.33578207 >>33577976 I prefer avatars.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:51:07 2022 No.33578355 >>33578207 These ironic hololive fans are so afraid of admitting any kind of emotional investment in a preference that the only positive thing they can say about hololive is "I prefer avatars". Fucking pathetic, miserable people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:51:22 2022 No.33578367 >>33570584 You are totally missing the point, anon. I'm not so much of a schizo to views them as my GF, or think I have any chance whatsoever of becoming their BF.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:52:19 2022 No.33578423 >>33566894 You're a fucking retard if you honest to God think Idols and Idol culture hasn't been around for decades and that vtubing isn't just an extension of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:55:03 2022 No.33578566 >>33578355 >ironic I'm so dedicated to being an ironic hololive enjoyer I've been subbed to marine and ina for 2 years, you got me

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:56:09 2022 No.33578625 >>33566894 No because the idol-fanbase relationship is different from that of an actor's in too many ways to count.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:56:30 2022 No.33578649 >>33578566 2 whole subs. Fucking kek. Next you'll tell me you meant memberships but you're such a twitchfag tourist that you don't know the difference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:56:31 2022 No.33578650 >>33572861 Whats a snowroach?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:57:09 2022 No.33578688 >>33578649 Glad you already knew what I meant, but I don't use twitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:57:23 2022 No.33578700 >>33578566 >subbed Wow, you're so dedicated that you have kept receiving youtube notifications for two whole years kek.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 20:58:10 2022 No.33578746 >>33578688 >I don't use twitch. It's over, try again next thread larping faggot.

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