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*sigh* What's the best way to learn Japanese Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:49:24 2022 No.33533538 [Reply] [Original]

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:50:38 2022 No.33533608 >>>/jp/djt

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:51:23 2022 No.33533649 File: 110 KB, 304x304, 1656326083210.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33533538 My dick has magic, if you suck it you may learn whatever language you desire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:52:12 2022 No.33533693 You will never learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:52:15 2022 No.33533695 Watching 10+ years worth of anime or Jap tv after learning the basic grammar It's easy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:52:49 2022 No.33533735 >>33533538 >learn kana >read up on some basic grammar >watch english subbed anime/english manga >rewatch the same anime/manga but in japanese This is how I learned english using cartoons and movies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:53:40 2022 No.33533783 File: 244 KB, 1555x1649, 1635575485226.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33533538

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:54:49 2022 No.33533856 >>33533538 read all the isekais in narou and kakuyomu

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:55:56 2022 No.33533920 >>33533608 Has a single person ever actually successfully learned Japanese by following this guide?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:57:03 2022 No.33533981 >>33533538 READ THIS >>33533608 JUST THE OP AND FUCK OFF, DON'T READ ANYTHING ELSE. AND WATCH CLIPS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:57:55 2022 No.33534033 just get a Japanese girlfriend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOXHohicnl0

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:58:23 2022 No.33534062 >>33533538 First step: cut yourself from any translated work You will find out a way to learn everything on your own

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:58:32 2022 No.33534073 >>33533920 Depends on which guide. Neko, yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:58:33 2022 No.33534074 File: 348 KB, 678x621, 1657035568991.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33533538 >Watch her for 3Months and then watch other JP Chubbas Its feels like Vegeta inside the gravity chamber, but once you go out, Nihongo is wakarasui!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 07:59:53 2022 No.33534143 File: 144 KB, 485x344, 1373049528416.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33533538 Go into debt so you can attend a language school in Japan for 2 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:00:27 2022 No.33534172 >>33533538 Don't even bother. The white man cannot learn Japanese. I mean this genuinely and sincerely. Don't go down this god forsaken path.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:00:42 2022 No.33534190 >>33534074 Kek

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:00:52 2022 No.33534205 >>33533538 Just be born in Japan

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:01:48 2022 No.33534252 >>33534172 By white man do you mean Amerimutt by any chance?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:01:58 2022 No.33534264 File: 1.06 MB, 1280x2378, 1660792953849094.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33533538 >>33533608

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:03:16 2022 No.33534329 >>33534252 No. OP is a white man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:03:39 2022 No.33534354 >>33533538 Download anki Buy a grammar book Get to studying

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:04:09 2022 No.33534386 >>33533538 Anheroing is a better option, unicorn

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:04:57 2022 No.33534434 >>33533538 Just watch their stream, you dont have to talk to them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:05:33 2022 No.33534462 >>33534264 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:05:35 2022 No.33534464 File: 260 KB, 500x573, 1600149053578.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You will NEVER learn Japanese.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:07:59 2022 No.33534613 my ears are probably wrecked I've heard Pekora's greeting 100 times and still she's saying Armond

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:08:29 2022 No.33534642 File: 732 KB, 1200x1600, 1660787650034749.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>33534462 No need to be upset, anon. I'm sure it'll be easy for you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:14:11 2022 No.33535014 >>33533538 Read raw hentai

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:20:15 2022 No.33535417 >>33533538 if your oshi could speak English, you don't have to learn Japanese. teach them English instead. that should be a lot easier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:22:16 2022 No.33535527 >>33535417 He should learn japanese, so that when he realizes that 3DPD are the same, no matter the nation, he can come home to anime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:24:27 2022 No.33535638 >>33535417 Why they actually forcing themself to play Rust in english when they can change it to japanese?

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:24:59 2022 No.33535681

>>33533538
I don't know, but I'll let you know the way I've been able to stick with it for over 3 years now.

You can definitely start learning Japanese by watching JP streams. You can get a lot farther than you think with very little actual study. And it's fun!
Starting out is actually really easy. Just three easy steps!

1) Memorize the kana: hiragana and katakana in that order.
These are the basic Japanese alphabets. They're comprised of 46 symbols each, but they share the same 46 sounds which are very easy to learn because you can arrange them in a 10x5 grid + "n" (five spots are either obsolete or aren't used). Hiragana is used for Japanese words, while katakana is used for foreign words. The two alphabets basically looks like this:
A, I, U, E, O
Ka, Ki, Ku, Ke, Ko
Sa, Shi, Su, Se, So
Ta, Chi, Tsu, Te, To
Na, Ni, Nu, Ne, No
Ha, Hi, Fu, He, Ho
Ma, Mi, Mu, Me, Mo
Ya,Yu, Yo
Wa,Wo
Ra, Ri, Ru, Re, Ro
n

The five vowel sounds are A - "ah" as in car, I - "ee" as in bee, U - "oo" as in too, E - "eh" as in met, and O - "oh" as in row.
The kana ん/ン (n) is never found at the beginning of words.
One of the nice things about Japanese is everything is read how it's written. There are three exceptions which involve grammar particles:
は (ha) is pronounced "wa" when used as a particle, を (wo) is pronounced "o" when used as a particle, and へ (he) is pronounced "e" when used as a particle. It's easy to tell when to read them this way because they will appear by themselves after a word or kanji.

You can use the respective Wikipedia page for each alphabet to study.
Here's a decent matching game you can play in your browser to learn hiragana and katakana:
https://ohelo.github.io/usagi-chan/hiragana/
https://ohelo.github.io/usagi-chan/katakana/
I also recommend writing them multiple times in a notebook (with the correct stroke order) while you're learning, but it's up to you.
Animations of the stroke orders can be found here:
https://yosida.com/en/hiragana.html
https://yosida.com/en/katakana.html

2) Learn the dakuten, handakuten, sokuon, and choonpu marks and the digraphs(yōon),
I know that sounds intimidating but this is even easier than the first step because you don't have to memorize any new symbols.
These things are basically just ways to modify some of the above 46 sounds.
The dakuten is basically just a little ゛ mark that's added to hiragana and katakana that start with K, S, T, or H to change their sound to a voiced consonant.
All it does is change the sound from K to G, S to Z, T to D, and H to B. The exception is it changes shi to ji, chi to ji, and tsu to dzu.
For example, ka to ga: か -> が. That's it.
The handakuten is similar. It's a little ゜ mark that's added to hiragana and katakana that start with H to change the sound from H to P.
For example, ha to pa: は -> ぱ. That's it.
The sokuon mark is just a small tsu character (っ or ッ) that's silent and makes the next consonant sound doubled. This can be a bit difficult to write out so search for sukuon on google to hear how it's used. https://www.learn-japanese-adventure.com/what-are-sokuon-and-long-vowels.html
For example, かこ (kako, two syllables) becomes かっこ (kakko, three syllables).
The chōonpu mark is just a line (ー) that indicates you double the previous vowel sound. In hiragana, you just add another vowel to indicate the vowel sound is doubled, but with katakana, you use the chōonpu mark.
For example, "haa" in hiragana is はあ, but in katakana it's ハー.
The Yōon is also easy and intuitive. They're basically just a combination of ki, shi, chi, ni, hi, mi or ri with a small version of ya, yu, or yo. The purpose of this is to make the combined sound one syllable instead of two.
For example, りゆ (riyu) would normally be two syllables, but りゅ (ryu) is only one.
Finally, you can combine the dakuten or handakuten mark with yōon that start with ki, shi, chi, or hi to make the associated versions of that sound.
So for example, きゅ (kyu) becomes ぎゅ (gyu). Or ひゃ (hya) becomes ぴゃ (pya).
With this you will now be able to read any Japanese without kanji.

3) Install a Chrome or Firefox extension like rikaikun
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rikaikun/jipdnfibhldikgcjhfnomkfpcebammhp?hl=en
This will let you hover over kanji and it will show a pop up with the reading in Hiragana and the definition in English. I use this to learn new words when they get spammed in chat by Japanese users. JPniki often repeat the streamer by typing what they say in chat. If you hover over chat often enough, you'll begin to learn a lot of new vocab in a short amount of time in a way that doesn't feel like studying.

And that's it!
Keep in mind, you won't really learn grammar this way, but Japanese grammar isn't that difficult and can be learned later.
You will begin to quickly and easily increase your vocab, which is arguably the hardest and most boring part of learning a new language.

Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:25:51 2022 No.33535737

>>33533538
If you watched anime for couple years, then you probably can understand about 20% to 40%. This is sufficient to enjoy Pekora, because you either understand what she is doing from the context or if not, then there is always someone translating in chat.
If you are actually watching and not using her stream as background noises, then passively you will understand practically everything after couple months.
t. nousagi

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 19 08:26:07 2022 No.33535754 >>33535527 this tbqhdesu

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