So are they considered a success?

[Anonymous No.]

They're all sub 200k

[Anonymous No.]

remind me again what the average sub count of stars JP is

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>>33105043
Only the homoshill scum considers that a sucess

[Anonymous No.]

>>33105043
Compared to Homostar JP, probably. I think Cover expected something more like Luxiem though since there was so much apparent demand from Twitter and Homobeggars.

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>>33105043
Gaining that many subs in short amounts time yes they're sucessful unlike the girls they weren't given 400,000 free subs. Now cope.

[Anonymous No.]

According to their fans common cope yes.

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>>33105043
Compared to JP Stars, yes. 4views>3views with more subs than the uproar and slowly approaching the first gen

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>>33105147
>>33105201
Do you send akasupas and gift 50 memberships everyday? Didn't think so.

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>>33105043
Considering the vast majority of vtubers never get more than 10k subscribers? Yes, if we're using subscriber numbers as a measure of success.

[Anonymous No.]

I’m pretty sure they’re more successful than Cover expected them to be. They’re pretty good vtubers imo.

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>>33105462
The fuck does that have to do with anything? Go back to your containment thread.

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>>33105043
Realistic asnwer: no
Cover homoshill answer: yes

[Anonymous No.]

I won't jerk off to it, therefore it is bad. 99% of vtubers should be gassed.

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>>33105201
Luxiem is padded heavily by Chinese numbers, which Hololive will never get. And even Niji haven’t been able to replicate that success (just like Council didn’t do a repeat of Myth)

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>>33105707
Money is power and if you don't have money. I shouldn't listen to you.

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>>33105043
Cover announced auditions for a second gen less than a month after their debut, obviously a success in their books

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>>33105201
why would they expect luxiem numbers when they aren't fujo pandering, but are instead trying to get male watchers ala classic lets players like SBF and shit
in fact they're so bad at fujo pandering that they now have a running joke where they try to get axel to hook up with a female staff member without consideration for lustful female viewers

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>>33105147
>>33105241
>>33105748
Get magged bitchboys. They're more successful than you are, and that's all that matters.

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>>33105043
Depends what you consider a success.
Performing better than StarsJP? Then easily yes.
Performing better than Luxiem? LMAO
Performing better than Noctyx? I wouldn't say they are. Any potential advantage in CCV, they lose on VODs. And 2 maybe even 3 of them don't have that advantage.
Performing better than Iluna? Then dunno, since they lose in subs, win in CCV and are pretty much equal on VODs views.

[Anonymous No.]

Tempus Derangement Syndrome is insane

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>>33105820
The screeching autists in /vt/‘a catalog will forever turn a blind eye to this. They’ve been encouraging viewers to apply for gen 2 in every other stream I’ve caught.

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>>33105043
>200k

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>>33106701
Do you know what sub means retarded pole?

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>>33106701
>sub 200k
>142k is sub 200k
ESL be gone

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>>33106550
So what you're saying is they want gays, trannies and women as Holostars. Oof.

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>>33106550
/vt/ probably applied but they were denied and maybe that's why they're seething

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>>33107057
That could be a possible reason, but I think the most likely scenario is that these people never applied but wished they had. I’ve read several posts along the lines of “I want to do it but I have no charisma”

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>>33106780
>retarded pole?
Is it the 1980s again?

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>>33105141
all below sana and choco sub kek

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>>33105043
>They're all sub 200k
Still? You're not being serious are you? With how much astroturfing they get I'd be honestly dumbfounded if they were actually all sub 200k.
Not gonna check though because I'd have to unblock all their channels to check

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>>33107057
>>33107147
Huge cope. I never even wanted a Stars EN to exist in the first place, let alone applied to be a collab bicycle.

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I think they're about where you'd expect them to be, above HomoJP but below HoloEN. Homostars is not a very strong brand.

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>>33105043
Don't know if they are a success or not, but I am glad vesper debuted. For me is a win.

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>>33105043
Yes
Better than Iluna

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>>33107497
>Top JP star is literally just...a guy
Never underestimate the power of just being a regular guy.

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>>33105043
Male character scares me because i only consoom cute girl doing cute things anime.

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>>33110217
Are you afraid of mirrors?

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>>33105043
By Holostars standards, they are. They're doing pretty good numbers compared to the Stars JP. But expecting a Holostar member to do the same numbers as a Hololive one is dumb, not even Cover expected that. The same applies if you compare them to Luxiem, which are heavily supported by the Chinese and the fujos.

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>>33105043
Think vesper got over 1000 memberships just during his membership opening stream, many of which were above the 5$ level. Can't imagine they are a financial failure (unless you think they are driving away enough people away from hololiveEN to offset what they make, but the numbers don't seem to back that up).

People's predictions on /vt/ we're that they were all going to be getting probably sub 1k ccv each stream so by that metric they are a wild success.

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>>33105043
Depends on the metric
Against StartJP or Iluna Yes
Against HoloEN or Luxiem No

Over all I would say is a successful experiment, but I would not recommend investing on a second gen

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>>33105917
Don't dare compare Tempiss to the Let's players of the day. Unless they can mock someone's manliness, tell them to kill themselves on stream or make fun of homos in general then nobody will ever be as good as the original brotubers. Tempus appeals to westerns fujos and western fagboys.

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>>33114067
When it comes stars Yagoo clearly does not care about money. He'll invest in many more gens

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>>33105043
Expectations on them were horrible, so they had room to surprise. I don't think they're very good apart from Vesper, and the axel when he sings, but definitely better than Iluna. Iluna at this point it is only being carried by the NijiEN brand, Homos didn't have any floor to stand on since their Senpais in JP are kinda... Yeah,

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>>33114508
> Keyword: Expectations
This. Tempiss had low expectations, so anything would make them be considered a success

Iluna had high expectations, so they ended up being considered a failure, although, they are not

In the end... Both are fucking midtier

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>>33106701
ik,mhuiopuu dft

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>>33113229
Memberships on the opening streams only, most of which were at $5 (+gifted memberships), they're making a decent amount of money.
Vesper: 2475 (+268)
Axel: 1041 (+243)
Magni: 1524 (+60)
Regis: 1078 (+237)

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>>33115418
I think success for Niji and Holo is more dependant on gaining new audience and not leaching from their already established talents than it depends on absolute numbers of the new talents. In that respect tempus is probably quite the success since hololive and holostars audience don't appear to be mixing much. Iluna is harder to say but I would bet a lot of their numbers would just be watching other nijis instead.

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>>33105043
By holostar standards yes. Although the damage they'll do to the girls might end up making them a net loss in the long run.

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>>33116162
So after YT and company cuts, they'll still probably be making around $1200-2000 each off memberships. Vesper's clearly already financially solvent, so I don't think he'll have to worry about using his benefits to pay for the gimmick stream he did.

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>>33116659
Seems low, they're going to take home more than that especially since they'll likely end up on a lower tax bracket. They get decent SC too. StarsJP also historically has a disproportionate amount of merch sales to audience number compared to the girls so if StarsEN follows the trend they'll be fairly comfortable.

[Anonymous No.]

Long as they're making money they are considered a success.
Someone mentioned Iluna, that Scarle girl spent like 1200 on ASMR shit recently so I'm going to assume she's doing quite well financially since prior to that she was a poor college student living with a bunch of people.

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>>33105043
Still a weird parasite on hololive just like their JP senpai. Don't understand the point of them when the girls are more successful.

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>>33105201
Holostar JP is a failed group to begin with, so when you compare it to them, you are failing.

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>>33117050
>parasite
Yagoo wants them, he's the boss, it's his passion project, he hired them, deal with it

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>>33105462
Ahem.

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>>33105043
Aren't they getting like 400-600k views? At that point anyone can see that subs don't mean shit.

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>>33117118
They're making fairly good money now with sold out concerts and a lot of merch sales, Yagoo stuck with them and it paid off. Even the nearly 1view Miyabi who is the lowest earning Holostar made 30k usd from merch so far this year, maybe even more since there's no way to track exact numbers of non-limited merch anymore.

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>>33116920
I only base my estimations off YT memberships, which I'm fairly certain the talents get a much bigger cut compared to SCs with the typical 40/30/30 cuts we've heard about. Membership should be considered the stable part of their income - SCs are gimmicks and tips.
If I were a streamer, I would consider that $$1500+ my living expenses, and anything else from SCs and merch to be used for reinvestment into projects or equipment.

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>>33105043
go woke go broke
u know those woke fags ain't staying for shits

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>>33117667
>Take one quick glance at Vespers views
>return to this comment

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>>33117667
Regis and Axel, without buff content, get atleast 1k viewers. 2k to 3k with buff content

Magni gets 2k without buff, 3k to 4k with buff content

Vesper gets 3k to 4k without buff content, sometimes 5k. I'm waiting for him to get some buff content to see the average

For now, the overlap between them seems small, but they have some overlaps with the girls.

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>>33117888
Sir, SJW are on NijiEN. Stars, despite being faggots, are not sjw

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>>33117888
you are 13

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>>33105201
>I think Cover expected something more like Luxie
Not at all, in fact it's quite the opposite take on male vtubers

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>>33118123
>in fact it's quite the opposite take on male vtubers
So what? Bad ones? kek

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>>33105201
>I think Cover expected something more like Luxiem
Not really.

>>33118123
Precisely.

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>>33105043
They still live ren-free in your head

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>>33117834
I meant that your calculations seem to be off, the typical cut we know of from long ago is 35% talent 35% company 30% youtube with company/talent split being negotiable, and 35% of 2475 memberships at $5 each is a decent amount of money per month.
>>33118013
I'm pretty sure all the SJWs have left after Magni locked up a teenage girl in his basement and tortured her for entertainment. In Sims.

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>>33118278
Tempus had done more damage to /vt/ than to the girls

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>>33105043
They're Reddit's darlings. The recent influx of tourists directly come from there to shill Tempiss on every thread and flood the catalog.

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>>33118319
The kidnapping arc was so good

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>>33118364
> Reddit Darlings
> Have more presence /here/ than on Reddit

The cope takes seems to get better and better huh

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>>33118364
Reddit doesn't watch Tempus.
I watch Tempus. The sims streams are kino.

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>>33118102
>>33118013
i lump those white knights retards just the same
those tourist drama faggots
ain't staying for shits

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>>33118123
Really, what makes you say that?
I admittedly don't watch many male talents but sometimes I think the Chinese pandering gets a little overblown. I know Ike is actually quite a gamer and I tune in for those streams. I don't think the experience is that far off.
Although funny enough iPN reminds me more of Tempus when he gets featured.

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Tempus debuted 2 months ago, but to this day they don't stop causing meltdowns on /vt/? Wow

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>>33119272
Let's see if the Gamer Wave of NijiEN will cause such thing too

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>>33119272
honestly, I thought this Topic would die within the first week. I didn't expect them to live rent-free in the head of the Schizos /here/

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't matter. Yagoo will still use half of the fortune Myth and Council earn to fund their 3D and live concerts

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>>33107497
Man Uproar getting announced during HoloFes of all times really backfired for them huh?

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>>33119391
Why would it? NijiEN culture has already been established and I doubt they would shake up the dynamics unless they did nothing but collabs.

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>>33119617
Two days later they also announced ID gen 3 too

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>>33107497
>>33119617
These guys are all still at it though so it must afford them a decent lifestyle even if it's not endgame material. I don't know any of their RMs except maybe Rikka (or was it Astel?) and I know Roberu is also an established artist, do the rest keep active outside of Stars duties that helps bring them income?

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>>33119977
Hololive screws up people's perception of numbers but a streamer can actually live off of having an upper 2view / lower 3view ccv. The stars did have side gigs during the 2019-2020 period due to low stream revenue (one quit because of it) but have picked up greatly since then.

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>>33105043
They're doing fine, not amazing, but good enough to make a decent living.

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>>33119614
I hate him so fucking much bros

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>>33119272
I know, right? They’ll probably keep this going into next year.

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>>33119272
It's going to be like xenoblade 2 all over again. They're going to live rent free for fucking ever. They will NEVER shut up about it. They will NEVER stop bitching and moaning about it.

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>>33122351
>>33122440
I may not like the homos, but i respect them for it

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>>33106956
Still more successful than you, seethe more

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>>33123468
It only took Tempus to make me realize that for the girls, their fans are unironically their worst enemy. Tempus does literally nothing. The only thing i've heard about them that is unique is that they collab with eachother more than myth and council collab with themselves.
That still wont stop the girls fans from turning into brain dead gorillas who screech at every shadow.

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>>33123796
It's honestly kinda sad how eager some of their fans were to turn on them over this.

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>>33122440
If they stop doing collabs with the girls then people will stop complaining about it. And will also stop talking about them at all, seeing as this is the only discussion they get outside of their own general. This is probably why the collabs don't stop, they'll fall into irrelevance otherwise.

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>>33124403
The collabs wont stop.
The subhuman collab whiners and beggars should just hurry up and off themselves.

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>>33124403
Idk, anything they do makes pseud-yabs /here/

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>>33123796
Anons think that a collab happens out of nowhere, and they have to go through all the planning for it beforehand.

Add the rrat that the girls are being forced to collab, and you have Schizos going wild over anything. Just like axel praising Sora's improvement in english

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>>33124838
The Axel """yab""" was the most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time. he literally just praised Sora's English and people went crazy

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>>33125577
It's pathetic that people would get angry over someone encouraging sora to keep up her english studies.

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>>33124482
They collabs will taper off as Tempus becomes an increasingly large liability.

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>>33125814
The only liability is the hand holdless *ncels who never spoke to a woman in their life.

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>>33125664
Wasn't she the one who approached him first tho? As far as I've seen, the Stars are only interacting with the girls who approach them first

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>>33125996
Sora goes and does what she wants. Also her and Axel were doing 5th anniversary stuff together, so them interacting shouldn't be a big surprise.

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>>33125996
Yeah Tempus never interact with girls that haven't publicly approached them first, they also haven't mentionned (and actively ignore chat mentions of) any of the EN girls that don't want to upset their goslings (Gura, Fauna, Etc...)

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>>33119272
A man's greatness can be measured by his enemies.

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>>33125996
> Stars are only interacting with the girls who approach them first

Try tell it to unicorns, anon. They are literally following StarsJP rules, but the Schizos were hoping that the girls wouldn't interact with them

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>>33105043
They have a dedicated growing audience. I think they're doing far better than anyone expected.

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>>33126339
50 gift-membership per/stream + Oil Barons who don 100$ per/stream

Sounds good to me

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>>33105043
They're getting lots of positive attention, donos and memberships. And they seem pretty happy with where they are.
I'd say they're a success

[Anonymous No.]

In the end, the real success is the friends we make along the way

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>>33105043
Yes. They're not Luxiem or Myth they are more akin to Hololive Gen 1 or Lazulight. They are trying to break into an already established market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33126339
They're no Luxiem but they're all 4-views and can compete with the Holo EN girls in superchats. Sub count is really the only metric where they're lacking.

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>>33126667
we will see the fruit of their efforts in gen 2. Except if gen 2 is an Iluna-like gen that will only be carried by the brand

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>>33126503
Anon only see short term. Council whooped the shit out of NijiEN but after 1 year the gap in numbers is much smaller and most of NijiEN is creeping towards 500k subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33126724
They're growing kinda fast tho. They grow rate is better than Iluna already, in 2 more months they'll have 200k subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>33126849 (me)
Except Axel

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>>33126847
Only the numberfags of the Branch, the rest? they seem to have stagnated. NijiEN will enter the "Niji effect" soon... Only the big shots will be known while the rest will be forgotten by the audience. It won't be long before we have a Ranunculus and a Voltaction in EN

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>>33127071
it wouldn't be bad if the members didn't insist on this "NijiEN is a family" thing. Nijisanji is a jungler, only the strongest survive

[Anonymous No.]

Captain Planet~
He's our hero~
Gotta get those sub counts down to zero!

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>>33127355
The NijiEN family thing was just a thing management pushed to calm down drama, the livers themselves obviously know the nature of the game. And to be fair before Illuna came out they were few enough that it could feel somewhat still like a sort of family (with estranged cousin you don't really talk to). Now with Illuna and the new wave coming up I'm sure that'll die down even more than it already has and they'll completely stop having a concept of wave unity/loyalty beyond debuting together.

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>>33105043
kek what a flop bitch gen

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>>33105917
>SBF
lol you fucking wish, Pat's fat retarded ass has more charisma than all 4 of these faggots combined

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>>33105043
the sane discussion in the thread surprised me but yes i was wondering about this too. clearly their debut buff is gone, and now vesper and magni seem to have reclined slightly, and regis seems to have inclined with axel staying the same more or less.

too soon to tell but they're clearly surprised by the amount of support they've gotten, so going by their reactions alone, i'd say they're a success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33105043
Better than Star jp

[Anonymous No.]

It's a failure because it caused a lot of controversy and drama. In this respect, it is worse than JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33105201
Luxiem had the massive first-past-the-post buff, just like Holomyth did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33118521
Correct.

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>>33105043
>male vtubers
Glad they flopped so hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>33107497
Surely at least some of them are beating Kiara's German channel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>33135373
But they literally didn't anon

Is your reading comprehension that bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>33136191
don't mock him friend, he just failed his literature class

[Anonymous No.]

>>33134502
It just accelerated a long-standing issue with HoloEN, which was stagnation in content exacerbated by too few new debuts to help cover up the gaps in content.