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32747549 No.32747549 [Reply] [Original]

How did you guys not see this coming? pic related pre-dates all this shit stir that has been happening this week.

>> No.32748452

COME ON INDONESIAN BROS, POST THE TWITTER SCREENSHOT AND THE COLLAB CHART FROM 2018

>> No.32748562

>>32748452
You do know that because those happened then it gives you and the rest of the unicorns complete and total authority to drop Hololive Gens 0 to 2 altogether?

>> No.32748864
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>>32747549
>The established formula

No such thing when it comes to vtubing. It's an always-evolving art form

>> No.32748895

>>32748562
I watch some of them because they drop the male collab and I too can stop watching some of EN because they like to collab with males. I can do whatever I want just like how you can keep posting those pic, my Indonesian friend.

>> No.32749286

>>32748864
And how has it evolved since council's debut?

>> No.32749369

>>32748895
Well good for you then. I'm well aware that every Holomen outside a select few has collabed with a male and it changes nothing for me.

>> No.32749488

LEAVE ME AND MY DELUSIONS ALONE AAAAAAAA

>> No.32750128

>>32749286
The jp girls have embraced GFE much more since their debut.

>> No.32752953

>>32748864
>streaming game is art
what kind of cope is this

>> No.32754463

>>32747549
Seeing it coming doesn't mean we can't shit on them for doing it, all this shit was foretold literally at ENs announcement, not that you've ever been to /jp/, newfag

>> No.32759516

>>32747549
whack

>> No.32759626

>>32747549
haachama?

>> No.32759646
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>>32748452
>please don’t post the chart proving Hololive is full of grifting whores and that unicorns are the exact sort of leeching fandom invaders they constantly whine about

>> No.32759724

>>32754463
Why would Cover want HoloEN to be a clone of Hololive? Different markets = different cultures (and vibes)

>> No.32759825

>>32759724
>different culture
This is how you out yourself as a tourist

>> No.32759900

>>32759825
Please explain further

>> No.32760291

>>32747549
>Hobby

>> No.32760299

>>32759724
That's what a brand is you fucking child

>> No.32760358

>>32748562
>d total authority to drop Hololive Gens 0 to 2 altogether?
Uhhh, yes? Early gens don't even stream.

>> No.32760362

>>32760299
yeah the person not freaking out over girls collaborating with boys is the one who is a child

>> No.32760383

>>32747549
See what coming, /vt/ constantly freaking out over nothing burgers?
Vtubers have been sluts from the start, and most of the most entertaining ones have been open about it.

You retards just freak out becasue you couldn't understand the JP girls so could build up images of them as some perfect creatures, but the moment they can speak your language you're repulsed by exactly the same behavior.

>> No.32760500

>>32760299
Can't a successful brand have different labels?

>> No.32760510

>>32760383
>most of the most entertaining ones have been open about it
Give at least 1 sample of this and I'll kneel

>> No.32760509

>>32759724
>Different markets = different cultures
I heard this bullshit everytime when localization of japanese game censored something. I didn't buy it back then and I don't buy it right now.

>> No.32760514

>>32759900
Niji did shotgun normalfag hiring and mixed gender. Holo was the AKB48 idol company but they flushed that down the fucking toilet

>> No.32760519

>>32747549
as a hololive fan, I hate hololive
are you demoralized yet?

>> No.32760626

>>32760362
Irrelevant. I don't need public relations to damage control my optics.

>> No.32760645

>>32760383
>but the moment they can speak your language you're repulsed by exactly the same behavior.
Do you retards even read the shit that comes dribbling out of you? People were fine with holoEN for 2 years, there was no grand illusion shattering when holos spoke English. Mori has always wanted it, but only since tempiss debuted has the vibe of EN started to diverge significantly from JP.

>> No.32760663

>>32760509
>localization of japanese game
Not a very good comparaison. HoloEn was cerated for the english speaking market. It's not a localized version of Hololive.

>> No.32760732

>>32748864
Phase 5er detected. Stop destroying hobbies.

>> No.32760747

>>32760362
Irrelevant. I'm a fan. I don't need public relations to damage control my optics.
Cover carefully built an image of being a virtual AKB48 idol group over the years. EN changed course to become vshojo/nijiEN.

>> No.32760767

>>32760500
You don't change labels across countries, a brand is supposed to be Monolithic, the main thing going for it is that you can go anywhere and count on the fact that you'll get the same thing. That's what makes people loyal to brands

>> No.32760788

>>32759724
The markets aren't all that different.
>HololiveEN was created, because Overseas fans wanted an EN version of HoloJp.
>Gura's debut plus Covid lockdowns, brought in tons of kids (like elementary school) to the fandom.
>These kiddies went away after lockdowns were lifted, but Gura blowing-up brought in tons of normies into the community.
>Normies don't care for the art, tradition, target audience or non-western cultural norms, they just want to watch shit burn.
>Oldfags start gatekeeping the normie tourists.
The tourists double down and start making things worse. (We're around here).
Overseas weebs/otakus is the target audience. You can't market anime shit to western normies and stay in business. (See the 2008 anime crash).

>> No.32760832

>>32760362
This is New Coke level garbage

>> No.32760891

>>32747549
This shit is all relative. The day you started at square 1 was the last square for /jp/ oldfags. Now you're just on the receiving end, please enjoy

>> No.32761036

>>32760663
>HoloEn was cerated for the english speaking market. It's not a localized version of Hololive.
Glad we agreed, I was a HoloEN anti from the start and in the first year it seemed like I was wrong but nope, they are just like nyanners.

>> No.32761119

>>32747549
I've been gone for a while the fuck happened this time? another nothingburger?

>> No.32761136

>>32760891
UTAITE and avatar let's players have been around Nicodouga since forever.

>> No.32761139

>>32760788
>>HololiveEN was created, because Overseas fans wanted an EN version of HoloJp.
I don't think that's true. I think it was Cover trying to expand.

>You can't market anime shit to western normies and stay in business.
I believe that's what Cover is trying to do. Could be wrong of course.

>> No.32761256

>>32761139
Westerners think that idol industry is misogyny and also hate cute girl designs and they're all pedophilia.

>> No.32761508

>>32761139
>ruining your own product to sell to an imaginary market of people who hate you
Worthless corporate garbage

>> No.32761524

>>32761256
Not that kind of normies of course. Just the anime fans who are not into "idol culture".

>> No.32761763

>>32761524
I mean Anime is fundamentally moe
Westerners think moe is pedophilia
You only watch anime through a western lens so basically infinite one piece and dragonball sagas.

>> No.32762031

>>32761763
Wasn't Crunchyroll made for westerners?

>> No.32762148
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>>32752953
No, but Choco's chocos and Meru's merus sure are

>> No.32762294

>>32762031
Crunchyroll was made by a Chinaman to pirate and steal Japanese products funnily enough.
It's a waste of time, normies will never ever watch pedo cartoons much less pngs play minecraft. There is no market expansion.

>> No.32762402

>>32750128
Someone tell my oshi, she's a 12 year old boy in disguise.

>> No.32762453

>>32761139
That's the point they could have catered to twitch normalfags without pissing off the schizo gachikoi audience by doing male collabs.
They could have had their cake and eaten it too instead we're launched into a culture war Cover can only lose.

>> No.32762490

>>32761139
>Yes, they wanted to expand into the overseas weeb/otaku market.

>Cover wants normies.
No, Omega wants to bring-in the normies. If you believe the JOP rrats, that the JP management isn't happy with EN moving away from them culturally. However, they still don't care enough about the side branch to stop it.

>> No.32762584

>>32762031
High Guardian Spice was made for your ilk

>> No.32762600
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>>32760514
HoloEN were never meant to be idols. They could certainly call themselves that if they wanted, but it was not what they scouted for nor asked them to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g28bXyIWuc

>> No.32762623

>>32762490
Every company wants to maximize profits. The point is the normalfag audience that fervently wants mixed gender collabs never existed.

>> No.32762655

>>32747549
Touch grass unicorn

>> No.32762712

>>32762490
>Omega
Why would he have this much power to begin with? The rogue employee theory is a bit hard to believe.

>> No.32762725

>>32762623
Yes they do, look at NijiEN and their males

>> No.32762794

>>32762584
My favorite anime series is Dennou Coil.

>> No.32762988

>>32762725
those are no normal fags, those are chink women, and that market is never going to holo anyways

>> No.32763018

>>32762725
Noctyx and Luxiem and Blingblung whatever the fuck pander to Chinese fujoshi who don't want mixed gender collabs either. Which is what Tempus should have been doing instead of whatever mess. NOBODY wants mixed collabs.

>> No.32763159

>>32762794
Middle school girl cast with cutesy designs. This shit don't fly in America.

>> No.32763418

>>32763159
https://anitrendz.net/news/2022/01/26/den-noh-coil-added-to-netflix-ahead-of-directors-new-release/

>> No.32763560

even if its bait these are borderline chris chan levels of autism lol

>> No.32763584

>>32763418
I wish that was successful too.

>> No.32763839
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32763839

Why are we memory holing all the male collabs that holoJP did at the beginning?

>> No.32764145

>>32762600
Sora and A-chan asked YAGOO specifically to create an idol company, featuring just her.
Sora is the only one who still follows that and is why she's kept seperate from the other girls.

But, calling themselves idols is a marketing gimmick that separated them from Niji and upd8 and signals that they're trying to appeal to a different audience.

>> No.32764303

>>32764145
It's not like Sora treats boys as if they have cooties though.

>> No.32764510

>>32763839
Does the trans elf even count?

>> No.32764597

>>32762623
Exactly, just like the normalfag audience that was willing to financially support the anime and manga industry in 2008 didn't exist, (Why pay high prices for anime dvd's or manga when you could just pirate that shit for free). Huge animation studios and the largest Japanese Production studio went under, because of that and other fuck-ups. JP Otaku industry learned their lesson and went back to prioritizing their own market. Both Niji and Hololive weren't keen to expand into the EN market, because of this.

>> No.32764642

>>32759724
Why would they go for the audience they did in 2020 only to pivot later to copy niji?

>> No.32764708

>>32762712
He isn't rogue, they don't like what he's doing, but they don't care enough about EN to stop him.

>> No.32764842

>>32763159
Among normies who spend shit-all you're right. Among the weebs/otakus who are willing to cough-up the dough to support the industry, it is supported.

>> No.32764924

>>32764642
>Why would they go for the audience they did in 2020 only to pivot later to copy niji?
They could be afraid of Niji stealing some of their market shares.

>>32764708
>they don't care enough about EN
They don't care about their more "international" brand? Hard to imagine.

>> No.32764991

Say goodbye to more than half of HoloJP if you want completely male-free talents. The funny thing is, some of you are silly enough to do this.

>> No.32765152

>>32764991
Stale bait

>> No.32765170

For the last time
Gachikoi are not unicorns.
Unicorns are more closer to antis than they are to fans. Gachikoi are more closer to fans than they are to antis. Observe their behavior.

>> No.32765236

>>32765152
See>>32763839
>>32759646
>>32748562
>>32760358

>> No.32765839

>>32764303
She doesn't host them on her channel. She'll support them on other channels, but her channel is a girl only space.

>> No.32765963

>>32764924
>They don't care about their international side branches.
Yes, I keep repeating this. No, it isn't surprising it's actually the smart move.

>> No.32766081

>>32765963
>it's actually the smart move
Please explain furher

>> No.32766153

>>32765236
idols doing male interviews in a professional setting

>> No.32766252

>>32765170
>It entirely depends on the Chuuba.

Rushia wouldn't have gotten the most SC money in YouTube history, without them. She was willing to nuke her Hololive career just to prove to her unicorns that the rrats peddled by her antis were false, (they were). They saw how much she valued them and stayed with her when she became an indie. Her unicorns are by far her most loyal and supportive fanbase.

>> No.32766311

>>32766252
Gachikoi You mean gachikoi

>> No.32766473

>>32766081
JP is the only branch that's worth the massive financial investment. If the JP fans notice that their money is being used to prop up the failing side branches, that's bad for business. EN needs to survive on it's own financially.

>> No.32766565

>>32747549
that's such an arrogant statement

you didn't create this hobby
it didn't start /here/

>> No.32766822

>>32766473
Certainly there are other ways to care for it than pouring money into it. Letting Omega (supposedly) damaging the brand won't save them any money anyway.

>> No.32767633

>>32766081
Probably because they know the backlash main company would get for practicing JP policies on EN, since westoid don't know/have the necessary eastern etiquette. If they went rouge and bite the hand that feeds them by playing the victim card, there would be no going back. Therefore might as well leave it all to Omegay and let it take the public stoning, if any.

>> No.32767842

>>32766252
Well yeah they never left her and those would be gachikoi and not unicorns.

>> No.32768161

>>32767633
Wanting to put some sort of proxy between their north american employees and themselves wouldn't be that far-fetched, I guess.

>> No.32768328

>>32766311
A lot of her gachikoi (like orca) are also unicorns.

>> No.32768420

>>32766153
Is that the new cope mechanism you idiots are using?

>> No.32768620
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>>32764510
Chaika isnt trans, hes just a pervert who likes dressing up as a girl
>inb4 whats the difference
Chaika is based

>> No.32768643

>>32767633
Exactly, JP needs to keep EN at a distance, in case it becomes too toxic and threatens the main branch. There's a very high chance that EN becomes too toxic to handle just like with CN.

>> No.32768649

>>32768328
Orca is not a unicorn

>> No.32768686
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32768686

>>32768649
K.

>> No.32768705

>>32768420
Never dropping Subaru or Miko. Go fuck yourself.

>> No.32768716

>>32763839
oh no no no "embrace holoJP" fags BTFO'd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wM6yz40EWw

>> No.32768743

>>32747549
You niggas are simping for fucking streamers. How about you get some poon and get over your animus talking to a dude?

>> No.32768781 [DELETED] 

>>32768716
You're doing God's work. I want these unicorns out of the Hololive fanbase.

>> No.32768809

>>32760645
>People were fine with holoEN for 2 years
this boards existance banked on the amount of seethe EN generated.

>> No.32768853

>>32768705
Enjoying sloppy seconds I see. Do you prefer to sit right next to the bed or wait behind the door and wait until they are done?

>> No.32768892

>>32768743
I'm a broom

>> No.32768951

>>32768853
I will not become a unicorn nor watch Production Kawaii, shill.

>> No.32768995

>>32747549
Why can't companies just hire honest to god, man-hating lesbians? I bet there are enough tumblr types that would just refuse to interact with males as a matter of principle.

>> No.32769016

>>32768995
Doesn't exist

>> No.32769070

>>32768995
Honest to god manhating dykes aren't weebs in the first place.

>> No.32769079

>>32769016
There must be chicks that just hate men enough to not turn into whores.

>> No.32769137

>>32769070
But do they like money?

>> No.32769171

>>32769079
Yeah and they're trannies, go figure.

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>>32747549

>> No.32770397

>>32769171
But will they turn into whores?

>> No.32775836

>>32769862
Kek, very fitting

>> No.32776139

>>32769862
3d idols =/= vtuber idols
Nobody shits on 3d idols because they have nothing to do with vtubers

>> No.32778942

>>32776139
>they have nothing to do
Yup, this chart is accurate as fuck.

>>32768995
Idols are supposed to be pure.

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>>32759646

>> No.32779661

>>32769862
retard 3D female idols are still mainstream and they are much appealing to normie than Vtubers. Remember not even Hololive has the chance to perform on Budokan.

>> No.32780722

Were unicorns really the first? I thought JP originally had male collabs? Who knows, maybe unicorns were the ones who ruined it for those who were there since Hololive's beginning
>They stopped doing it
Unrelated

>> No.32780864

>>32761256
Only two of those were true
No I will not explain shit

>> No.32780905

>>32761763
>I mean Anime is fundamentally moe
I'm bringing this to /m/

>> No.32780941

>>32765839
What about Kronii

>> No.32781002

>>32764145
>Sora and A-chan asked YAGOO specifically to create an idol company, featuring just her.
That's why she never show support and/or mention StarJP, r i g h t?

>> No.32781102

>>32766252
You know, I can just go to /#/ and ask how she's doing nowadays right ...

>> No.32781166

>>32767633
>SEA hands typed this

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>>32747549
Just like my Video Gayms..

>> No.32781209

>>32759724
They will literally be exactly the same thing as nijiEN and vshojo then you retard, the reason hololive got popular was because it was so different than the other options

HoloEN no longer being an idol group is like Tesla selling a gas powered car, the entire reason people ever came to like the brand was the very specific product they sold that was different than the rest of the market

You, mori and omega are actual retards
No one in hololive likes rap, edgy lore, twitch memes or shipfaggotry

>> No.32781361

>>32769862
oh shit get fucked

>> No.32781411

>>32760362
He's rightfully calling you a child because you are ignorant of what brand recognition is and it's importance to staying power and marketability

>> No.32781516

>>32761139
Normalfags dislike the hololive girls, it's an unironic weeb hobby, the issue was ever trying to court the ironic weeb community with mori, trash taste and vshojo nepotism collabs

>> No.32781531

>>32781002
Find new bait

>> No.32781596

>>32760645
The rift between Gura and Ame, Gura's longer and longer absences, Kiara first fucking up her interactions with Calli (they got better) and now Ame because of her annoying clinginess, Calli doing more roommate stuff where she's shitting on her fans;
These things have nothing to do with Tempus and those are the things that change the vibe of EN. Kiara being a drama whore for straight up saying that she will not attend a group activity with the boys and thus giving the other girls an ultimatum is the icing on the cake.

>> No.32781597

>>32763839
Literally pre-idol company, we're going to start reporting you fags because it's just spam at this point

>> No.32781606

>>32759646
>antisemite of the week

honestly it's an honor just to be nominated

>> No.32781609

>>32780722
don't care, not watching homos

>> No.32781657

>>32747549
you are mentally ill lol

>> No.32781670

>>32781609
better keep away from mirrors then faggot

>> No.32781789

Find a safer hobby thats not based on a commercial product then, like collecting rocks or bird watching.

>> No.32781862

>>32781670
don't care, I am NOT watching homos

>> No.32781998

>>32781609
I have no problems with that but don't imply you were here first

>> No.32782022

>>32780722
It's not unrelated, they did collabs with men before they became an idol company you retard, subaru literally mapped out the entire history of hololive, how one day they just told her they want to go in this direction and have her do live shows and she was shocked, but ulitmately loved to decision and completely stopped collabing with men

>> No.32782158

>>32781597
So how were unicorns the original fans if a pre-idol company era existed

>> No.32782199

>>32747549
I will not stand by and watch as my hobby is destroyed. I will not stand for male collabs.

>> No.32782287

>>32782022
It's unrelated because the argument is over who were there first retard

>> No.32783203

>>32764145
>>32765839
Fuck you, I'm not gonna let you use my oshi when you don't know shit about her
Sora has had men (multiple) on her channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsBD66Sa5Yg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfihFImbH7I
Has supported the Stars and called them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVfwXUS2eIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0DJgv8Cmdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyDm9C5K_44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqiNH2ynr1w
Her friends also regularly collab with males, one of them outright hates your so precious idol culture (Suisei)
A-chan was also there supporting Tempus from day one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg09Qsf5xsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_8NBITAdgM
So go KYS for using my oshi for your shitty kindergarten drama and don't pretend you know better than Cover or Sora on what they want from Hololive

>> No.32783304

>>32783203
What a whore. Sora ruined Hololive. She introduced the normalfag audience. I remember Gen -1 when Hololive was an idol company with idol fans

>> No.32783555

>>32747549
Literally the only people demanding any kind of change are the unicorns, everyone else wants the chuubas to keep doing whatever the fuck they feel like.

>> No.32783759

>>32783304
Thank god they moved on from that shit.

>> No.32784381

>>32779661
KAF did, tho.

>> No.32784544

>>32781597
>Hololive existed for years before trying to do a shitty idol parody
>Somehow this proves that unicorns were the original fans
Anon-chama???

>> No.32788510

bump

>> No.32788599

>>32783304
OK EN tourist

>> No.32791626

>>32747549
they chose this path

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