A long-term view

[Anonymous No.]

Regardless of how you feel about collabs between Tempus and HoloEN/HoloID, the trajectory of the past month and a half suggests that despite almost two years of interactions, HoloJP and HoloEN are growing more and more distant in their cultures. HoloJP has, if anything, been leaning more and more into appealing to gachikoi and towards fans who are only interested in watching the girls; at this point, the only ones who collab with males outside of special events are Fubuki, Suisei, Matsuri, and Towa, and the first three of those only do so once every few months. Meanwhile, a faction of HoloEN (Mori, Bae, Ame, Kronii), in league with HoloID (especially Ollie and Kobo) is pushing for closer Tempus integration, with more collabs and openly telling unicorns to fuck off. At some point, even casual fans will start to notice how different the main branch is from the side branches and start to ask questions, like "why can't Tempus play Rust?" More and more western collab beggars will start to complain about HoloJP, and any EN holdouts (e.g. Gura) and how they're "pandering to incels" and "excluding the males". Whenever JP fans catch wind of this, they'll fight back. Then one of the super-online talents--I think Ollie will be the catalyst for this--will openly call out "idol culture" and criticize the JP way of doing things. Cover normally lets the HoloIDs do their own thing but this will be a step too far for them, and she gets suspended, causing an even bigger backlash from Western casual fans. And that's how the final yab starts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
go back

[Anonymous No.]

sounds fun, hopefully it happens

[Anonymous No.]

We all knew EN was a mistake and was going to become CN 2.0 at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

You were making a good analysis of events until you suddenly started writing fanfiction. Weird post tbf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
Why are Subatomos such gigantic faggots like this?

[Anonymous No.]

the culture wars has been successful and has worked as expected

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715530
ad hominem

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>>32715499
I might have gotten a bit carried away at the end, but I think it's a pretty reasonable sequence of events for how things could go awry. No one thought that a Serbian teenager assassinating an archduke would spark the conflict that defined the 20th century, either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
Mucho texto

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>>32715711
Trying to draw parallels between fucking WWI and an online entertainment company is exactly the sort of psychotic leap that makes it hard to take you seriously anonchama

[Anonymous No.]

Even if hololive folds there is a million japanese indie with similar culture.

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch culture is the real threat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715824
The analogy isn't a matter of impact (of course a tech company potentially rupturing isn't comparable to a war that tens of millions died in) but a matter of small actions potentially having great consequences.

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>>32715979
Goes hand in hand with casual EN fans.

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>>32715143
Reddit was already like "Why can't Tempus join minecraft?".
The few sane ones pointed out that if management let them on the server, 3/4 of the JPs would fuck off and make their own server without males. Leaving the old server to die because EN barely plays.
Also ollie has openly whined about these things on member's a million times.
All of this won't change jackshit. The JPs know full well that if they want to ride this gravy train as long as possible they need to pander to gachikoi. EN will regret this in the extremely long term. All this money they made will be worthless thanks to inflation. Every gachikoi counts now.

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>>32715143
I wouldn't put Suisei in the same group as Fubuki, Matsuri and Towa. In the last year, she's only collabed with Astel and Izuru (for one song) and Taku Inoue, who isn't even a vtuber.

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>>32715143
I understand your long-term view anon, but I think one of the determining factors in this is still the respect that the side branches members have for their senpais, especially in the last part with Ollie, I don't think it's probable for her to do this, it might at least be Kobo in this case since she's not familiar with Hololive before entering. The second half of this is still far-fetched imo, but I can see the events right now as to why you thought of this, we'll just have to see.

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>>32715143
HoloEN doesn't care, they have chosen to become normalfag streamers, why would they do that when that market is over saturated? who fucking knows, I guess they see something we don't or they just hate their current fans that much, so they are taking the chance to change audience.

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>>32716156
Fair enough. There was also that one collab with her, Roberu, and Fubuki, but that might have been more than a year ago at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32716496
They like Nijisanji, and they want the boundaries between them gone

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>>32715143
>Whenever JP fans catch wind of this, they'll fight back.
FASTER YOU SLANT EYES

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>>32716931
Be patient anon, it takes longer spotting things when your line of sight is only wide enough to read one line at a time like that

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>>32715143
Indog here.

There's practically zero objection from HoloID fandom about the male-female collab. HoloID Gen 1 collabed with Holostars JP several times during their early time and both ID and EN fandom hailed it as "answers" to the perceived "no male collab" policy in Hololive. You'll get your ass blasted by HoloID girls and their fandom if you ever dare to be passive-aggressive about this to them.

[Anonymous No.]

Tempus is done, they're still new but the novelty has already worn off, blue hair and Axel are consistently getting <20K views, the other two are doing a bit better but are still worse than even Bae. The numbers will continue to drop.
This was a big mistake all around. Fanbases are fractured, a ton of drama, and I wonder if the girls are fighting amongst themselves too (Gura and IRyS still haven't followed any of the Tempus members on Twitter).
Nothing against the guys, they are all probably great people and entertaining streamers and all, but they should have been isolated from the girls and only collabed with the JP men and ID men/women (whose fans are comfortable with mixed collabs). Maybe split EN into two: HoloEN Idols (Gura, IRyS, Kiara, Fauna, Mumei, Ina) and HoloEN Girlbros (Mori, Ame, Bae, Kronii).

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>>32717499
They did it before they could amass a significant number of gachikoi fans (unlike Ame or Kronii) so it didn't really matter. And while ID doesn't have unicorn fans, they also don't have the sort of self-proclaimed activists the way EN does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32717499
Thats why EN is full Of ID fans, they chase their unicorns out they go to EN, wasting the Holo brand in ID, and now in EN too for the most part.

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>>32717739
>Maybe split EN into two: HoloEN Idols (Gura, IRyS, Kiara, Fauna, Mumei, Ina) and HoloEN Girlbros (Mori, Ame, Bae, Kronii).
That might cause more problems. People will accuse Cover of creating artificial separation rules and feed the "no talent freedom" narrative. Also, don't forget the people who hate idols to begin with.

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>>32717499
Yeah
So, where's my StarsID, Yagoo? Are you expecting me to watch StarsEN?
Nooooo they can't sing and even worse they're SJWs.
I want a chuuba who have the vocal range to sing Judika's songs.
It would be great if we get someone as chaotic as Manca in StarsID, no dead air and good at games

[Anonymous No.]

Ollie is such cancer. Didn't she fuck a man while live?

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>>32717499
The numbers speaks. Kobo gets at least 8k in her normal streams, >10k occasionally, but the last collab with Stars JP only pulled 5k ccv. She got 12k playing with Regis, but she got a boost from EN stars viewers, her ID fans seems to be disinterested with her collabs with random vtubers, let alone males.
You may prove your point that ID fans never objected to male collabs, but that doesn't mean that they're eager about it. What's the point then?

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>>32717499 (me)
Your only hope to stop Ollie and Kobo is local doxxniggers, because one of the main concerns about HoloID girls is doxxing. Ollie almost doxxed on a live stream. Some doxxniggers also attempted to doxx Moona based on which restaurant she visited to eat.

The problem is that HoloID management can fight back against them. They consider legal action against those doxxniggers and defamation law here is enforceable. Also, the chance of them using extrajudicial measures isn't zero.

>>32717884
Oh, ID has said the activist. Her name is Kureiji Ollie. She doesn't want to be stopped by anyone and is ready to break any rules she perceived as threatening her freedom. Also, this anon >>32716099 said that Ollie is already whining about the collab.
https://youtu.be/leC2IyytnOw

[Anonymous No.]

>>32717950
How many of indonesian unicorns are oil barons of HoloEN?

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>>32718213
Better than fucking a man while dead

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>>32718267
For me, it's because her unique fandom can't speak Japanese and even English. It's language debuff. Also, she's collabed with several famous male fleshtuber and she got huge numbers. And her fandom loves it.

When it comes to Kobo, you have to emphasis more on ID context, because she got their 1M subscribers from them.

[Anonymous No.]

>HoloJP producking kino after kino while ENshart having to watch their oshi flirting with males.
Tragic kek

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>>32718267
>collab with Stars JP only pulled 5k ccv
IOPs don't understand English desu. 5k is her core audience who would watch her debuff streams and free talk
>12k playing with Regis, but she got a boost from EN stars viewers
You are correct.
>her ID fans seems to be disinterested with her collabs with random vtubers,
This is also correct, since most of them sees other chuubas like Zen and Siska as leeches.
>male collabs, but that doesn't mean that they're eager about it
31k anon, 31k
But it might be a first time buff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32718585
They've been spamming 3D streams nowadays, good move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32718296
there's nothing left to doxx about Moona, anon. and she's still fine

[Anonymous No.]

it would be fine if they did it the right way, like Towa
but talentless enwhores want to edate homos just to make you watch
they had no interest in tempiss until they debuted and suddenly they can cuck you with them so they desperately want to collab with them
why didnt they just play with them off stream before debut? oh yeah because you wouldnt get blatantly NTRd that way

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>>32718555
Then why the fuck does she keep pushing collabs with males or non ID vtubers in general?
She should know by now that collab with holomems especially unpopular males is a debuff. I can only think that Yagoo himself is forcing her to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
Fuck...

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>>32718945
Naive, that's it

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>>32718945
>Everything I don't like happens because of Yagoo.

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>>32718771
Milyhya is the reason for those numbers on pic. You have no idea how eager Kobo's fandom wants to see their collab because their personality (at least on live stream) are similar.

>>32718945
Anon, as I said about >>32718771, those males are famous and they give her a boost. HoloID is essentially "if you don't like it, leave the fuck out of here." More Western than even HoloEN girls like Gura. No YAGOO or even M-chan pressure about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32717739
>HoloEN Girlbros (Mori, Ame, Bae, Kronii)

[Anonymous No.]

>>32716931
The Japanese are far more spineless than you guys think
At this point, in my oshi's fanbase, her EN gachikoi genuinely have a bigger set of balls than the JP fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>32716621
Suisei x Roberu collab happened last year, ironically during the height of the Shiny Colors VA scandal where a seiyuu was caught being a whore.

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>>32716341
Yeah, it's understandable thinking this could harm the relationship the jp girls have with everyone else but we have to remember
This girls mean something to the EN and ID girls, they're respected, and they understand the context the jp have

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>>32718136
> Also, don't forget the people who hate idols to begin with
You mean non-Hololive fans? I don't care about idolshit either, but if you consider yourself a fan and want to get rid of idolshit you should unironically get euthanized on the spot.

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>>32718945
>Then why the fuck does she keep pushing collabs with males or non ID vtubers in general?
I'm also confused by this and reach the same conclusion as you. Kobo is alienating her IOPs. If Cover want to secure those IOPs so they would stay in Holobox, he need to accelerate HoloID gen 4 (more valo girls who are IOPs-friendly) or debut StarsID (for those who want "the boys" vibe like that Kobo x Manca collabs. For edgy jokes and cursing words lovers).

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>>32719154
>those males are famous
Kek only Manca is famous.
Manca is not a streamer and the rest are 3views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32718945
Because she likes to play with them
Not everything is about numbers

[Anonymous No.]

we need mandatory collabs to force crazy fuckers like OP out of the community. hell, they can give their money to their chosen darling indies instead, and the rest of us get to enjoy kino collabs

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>>32719198
This could be true, the nips are not going to fight or anything but they are just going to take their money elsewhere and that is more harmful to Cover than whining online about collaborations, this is one of the reasons why some holoJPs like shuba and migo stopped collaborating with males and started appealing fully to the gachis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32721674
Kys falseflagger nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
Go outside.
You been here too long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32716156
Good song by the way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXQDUhSr8nU

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715303
t. predditor

[Anonymous No.]

>>32721674
Alternatively, you could enjoy a nice rope. You'll get all the males you want on the other side, I promise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32721674
you need to kill yourself right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>32721674
Eat a knife faggot, go the fuck back you broke begging bitch. You can’t even support yourself on the toilet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
What's the actual benefit of pandering to unicorns? what do the holos gain by behaving like middle eastern women who are forbidden to interact with males (outside of chat of course, because everyone knows chat doesn't count as male)

[Anonymous No.]

>>32723639
If you're doing it antagonistically you already have the wrong mindset. It's something you do out of respect for your audience or respect for the ideas involved (loyalty/devotion, understanding, respect). The idea that you're for your fans as much as they are for you. A link built from that connection, where a strong level of mutual understanding exists, and the respect for it.

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>>32716931
The Japanese attitude is to bend over and take it. Always been that way, ever since they got bombed back to the stone age and Big Uncle Sam had to show them how to use a shitter again. You can't name a single (1) instance where Japan went against something people from outside wanted and succeeded in the 00s. They even fully accepted a fucking Jap company going "No, now you press X instead of O even if it has been the other way around for 30 years because Westies want it that way". Japan strong is a myth from the bubble economy era. Since 00s, it's spineless Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32726041
>"No, now you press X instead of O even if it has been the other way around for 30 years because Westies want it that way"
did they really cuck out on that? i was expecting them to move the buttons before that lol

[Anonymous No.]

Hopefully JP will quarantine off EN and ID, not collabing or involving them in any group activities, leaving the two cancerous growths to wither and die from irrelevancy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32718465
kek actual good post among the sea of shit

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>>32726041
The fuck are you talking about? There's still plenty of shit from Japan the west seethes about every day. Idol culture, loli porn, anime in general, the fact that women aren't men. Also the fact that Holomems don't collab with males, I guess.

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>>32725700
>>32725700
You mean you're for your fans beating off to you and encouraging an unhealthy parascoial relationship that can then be monetized. Yeah, fuck off with that, and let them do what they want.

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>>32726433
Nah, controller layout is the same, but now they press X to OK.

>>32726575
Even idol culture changed. Remember AKB48 swimsuit shoots? They changed that due to the Olympics so that certain members are excluded.
How about lewd games? Far fewer than compared to like 5 or 10 years ago. No more Senran Kagura etc. for example. Japs keep getting cucked.

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>>32715143
>Want the JP to save you
Stand your fucking ground. If you chicken out now the resistance of the last of EN will become meaningless

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>>32715143
This is why you don't hire shitters, and fire them immediately when they fail to behave in a way conducive to your corporate/brand culture. Otherwise they become a subversive tumor whose growth threatens the healthier divisions of your enterprise. At that point, the one thing you can't blame employees for doing is stashing cash and building their own lifeboats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727027
YWNBJ

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>>32727087
...And? You don't need to be Japanese to enforce standards on your employees. Imagine running such a loose ship that you let streamers, people whose defining characteristic is not having a traditional job, run around doing whatever they want with little to no oversight or supervision.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727221
We get it bro, you hate Mori. You can just say it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727307
Who doesn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727307
Who said it's only Mori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727471

Either way though, the Stars exist, and head office isn't enforcing a no-collab policy, leaving it up to the talents themselves to decide what they do. So a lot of people need to grow the fuck up and accept that they want to do this, including some of their oh so pure and perfect JP talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727668
Mori is not Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727508
Under Ollie or Bae if you wish, but Pink Woman Bad is like a fucking religion here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727705
just because she's black doesn't make her any less Japanese, jackass

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>>32727730
>Pink Woman Bad is like a fucking religion here
It's called pattern recognition
>nyanners
>ollie
>mori
>baelz
>rushia
>pippa
At a certain point, you develop a reasonable distrust towards pink/red women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727847
Preach nigga

[Anonymous No.]

>>32719198
Japanese have schizo that stalk and stab people. 4chan can't do shit

[Anonymous No.]

EN and JP audiences are different and the content should reflect that

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727855
Koyo...Luna...Miko...

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
Okay Ms. Maimoto

[Anonymous No.]

>>32726973
Erogame industry is killed by erogacha game
Senran Kagura is because of Sony
Try to get it right next time

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727855
Still trying to work out how Ollie and Bar made that list

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727939
>Miko
Bad example
>>32728022
Pink is a shade of red, just as purple is a shade of blue

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727730
Where's the one behind all of them Omegay the tranny?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32718296
>Your only hope to stop Ollie and Kobo is local doxxniggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>32728237
I know that. I already said that extrajudicial measures for doxxniggers are available in Indon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727855
Colorblind-chama ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
cool story, netflix adaptation when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
>Then one of the super-online talents--I think Ollie will be the catalyst for this--will openly call out "idol culture"
Kronii...

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>>32715143
>And that's how the final yab starts

I actually read all that and the moment you said final yab means that your near perfect analysis of the current situation is automatically thrown out the window.

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>>32728595
Kronii's out of touch menhera damage control breakdown was already the final yab, the point of no return. This is the decline phase.

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>>32728756
What final yab? Is Kronii undergoing aRushia menhera arc? No? You and the other schizos are only escalating a yab that doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
EN women want to return to 3 view streamer next year. It's just that simple. They don't have better skill than other ecelebs, all they have is special niche to prey on lonely weebs. Removing the niche appeal and they will resort to cannibalize each other and begging to survive

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>>32728818
Literally the same cope as fandeads. Kronii is the Mori of Council and the Rushia of EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715143
even redditors mock collab beggars. they are truly the scum of the community.

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine egosurfing on /vt/ only to uncover that most of your fanbase is bunch of pathetic incels.
It's okay I'll stream less.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32726041
https://files.catbox.moe/jgk3lu.MOV

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>>32715143
Get in there, retards. >>32716934

[Anonymous No.]

>>32731018
>Alt upload
https://streamable.com/jg7tgx

[Anonymous No.]

>>32721674
Based anon.

Let those fuckers seethe

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>>32731324
>r*ddit-spacing
Every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32715303
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>muh japanese culture
the might of the 7th fleet is the sole reason that you still have your precious Japanese culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>32730840
Imagine thinking otherwise. Imagine being so arrogant as to believe that your value as a woman is derived primarily by anything other than how much men want to fuck you. Imagine not understanding that you provide no economic service of worth, merit or value and are literally just a digital comfort woman...except you're inferior to a real comfort women because you can't even claim to provide men warmth and sexual solace. Such is the absolute state of vtubers.
>>32731018
They're right. Gunpoint multiculturalism is a human wrongs catastrophe. Non-citizens should've only ever existed to serve the interests of citizens, and only ever been granted imperial citizenship through marital servitude to a citizen. In other words, non-whites in my country owe me sex.

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>>32715143
go take a shower unicorn

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>>32727730
>but Pink Woman Bad is like a fucking religion here
Pink women have always been bad newfag-kun.

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>>32715143
/jp/ was, in the end, right about HoloEN.

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>>32726041
>They even fully accepted a fucking Jap company going "No, now you press X instead of O even if it has been the other way around for 30 years because Westies want it that way"
rumao
there's a reason Sony is now a dead brand in Japan and XBox is inclining

[Anonymous No.]

>>32718296
How much money do you need to be considered wealthy in indonesia. She looks like she's trying to find every dollar possible.

[Anonymous No.]

Of we're worried about longterm views, it's a good thing that generic deadends aren't being prioritized.

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>>32733470
Ollie doesn't even care about money, assuming she's already richer than most average Indonesians. It's all about her ego to fulfill one of her reason to become Hololive idols: to make friends with as many people as possible.

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>>32733601
>to make friends with as many people as possible
Then she should've become a Niji. They have hundreds of livers and more TALENT FREEDOM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32733470
gotta respect the grind

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>>32733659
She'll be sunk along with ex-IDs had she joined 2434. Although, she'll be the same people with ex-ID being merged into the main branch. A crazier version of Mika, if I say.

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>>32733470
i think ollie richer enough that don't need gachikoi maybe now ollie will looking another way cashflow that are more reliable safe and profit enough money

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>>32715143
I think subaru should give a crash course to all the holoen whores about this

[Anonymous No.]

>>32716099
Do gachikoi make up the same % of the fan audience in EN fanbases as in JP fanbases? Maybe the different paths make sense if more of the EN fanbase is not as overrun by unicorns.

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>>32715143
>>32716341
>>32716341
Ollie understands the idol culture and Kobo could not give less of a fuck about this shit because she is a normalfag streamer. Which is fine because she's fun, approachable and brings something unique to the table.
I think we're just gonna see EN weaken over time. If they aren't already seeing drops in numbers, I'd be surprised. Half of them weren't very interesting to begin with.

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>>32715143
cool essay didn’t ask though wish you’d all have just one single thread to spill your unwanted brain sludge during whatever latest fake controversy is occupying your one track mind

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>>32727939
Obviously not them, but the other anon was taking liberties with the "pink woman" list.

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>>32735165
>Ollie understands the idol culture
Lmao. She understands jack shit. She's one of biggest mistakes when it comes to hiring.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly the fault for this situation and how things have steered lays mainly upon the gachikoi unicorns themselves. Some things would have been inevitable but the sharp reactions and doubling down by the girls is largely due to how autistic and retard raging the unicorns have been. They are proving Kronii's points about them having little to no experience with female friends and completely acting maidenless. If the initial response to the early stages of this trend had been more reasoning explanation and trying to reach a form of understanding rather than lash out to feel good about yourself, I don't think the EN girls would have chosen to react so harshly and more or less chose to ignore you going forward. But rather than treat them as a living human being with their own thoughts and feelings, some fucking retards treated them like a product that had a bug that needed to be sorted out. Nice job showing your complete lack of tact and social interaction.

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>>32735506
She definitely knows better than to stir up a hornets nest here.

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>>32735716

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>>32715143
HoloID had sacrificed themselves ever since the Kira Kira family collab long time ago. They are simply answering minor inconveniences such as "male collabs" and "non-holo collab" to stop normalfags from bothering their senpais
A branch that is equivalent to a recycle bin

Meanwhile HoloEN gladly eat those trash for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>32727730
Pink woman started this all with trash taste and gushing over conner.

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>>32735716
>If the initial response to the early stages of this trend had been more reasoning explanation and trying to reach a form of understanding rather than lash out to feel good about yourself
But that's what it was. Have you read Kronii community page? It's the homobeggars that when they noticed it, they went full "fuck you incel". Those shits won't stop until hololive turns into carbon copy of nijisanji.

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>>32735506
She knows but she doesn't care and wants to force it to change. She said that over a year ago. To me, it's like immigrants that come to the US and immediately want to be progressive and change foundational things about the country. Like how dare you show up to my home and immediately vote like a fucking commie? Similar attitude with the EN newfags to vtubing that want to stir up shit for JPs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32731086
That's probably the most concise description of the situation I've heard in years. Thanks mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>32735506
No I disagree. Ollie understands, it's why Olivia works so well and that she manages to keep attention on tropes in the anime world when she does big projects. She wants things to change to make her life easier, which puts everyone else in the mud in the process.

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>>32715143
>I think Ollie will be the catalyst for this
Its going to be mori and she will be terminated, she'll have her vision come true that hololive is only a stepping stone for her music career, only to find out that her music career is falling off more every day until one day she stops it entirely and is now just "a person working in the music industry" while nobody knows what she does and she's just sleeping with producers and musicians, she'll justify this by having had her career high and contribute nothing of it to hololive even though its painfully obvious to everyone else.

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>>32736962
Similar happened in Israel but in the opposite direction, Russian Jew immigrants over the past 30 years have dragged Israel so far to the right that one of the two main parties that formally dominated Israel politics for decades now barely gets 5% of the vote. They don’t even have a real successor either, just the entire political culture has changed in one generation due to a bunch of conservative immigrants.

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>>32737511
That's based though.

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>>32737387
She really believed that huh? Despite the JP senpais who are millions better than her, yet they never intended to leave Hololive brand.

She overestimated herself so much I actually feel sorry for her

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>>32715143
>Marine warmed me up
God just imagine.

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>>32737638
So wait…your issue isn’t immigrants changing a nation’s culture but rather you just hate leftists? Kinda hypocritical anon

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>>32733159
I remember when redhead girls in anime were always the aggressive lezbo.
>>32737511
They are all immigrants to me and to their neighbors. Some have just been around a bit longer. At the very least they're still Jews unlike all these H1B Pajeets America lets in who immediately become Democrat activists.

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>>32735506
Ollie knows, she wants to dunk on female only viewers because of her inflated ego. s=She's fucking uggo, most of them will do something stupid after their ego becomes big enough.

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>>32737931
Actual Africans who migrate to America despise basketball Americans. It's pretty funny.

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>>32737991
And we despise them back. Despite not being American Descendants of Slavery, they can reap the benefits of them.

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>>32715143
Hope it happens, JP management has a history of saying fuck you to foreign threats. JP fans matter most.

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>>32735165
>Ollie understands the idol culture
Roru
Rumao
Rohurumao even

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>>32715143
Your rather pessimistic view of the future is based on a number of assumptions, which are less likely to happen than you make out. First, it requires Tempus-fans to exist, to care, and to be vocal enough to be heard by HoloEN livers who don't care about Tempus. This is already a stretch.
>casual fans will start to notice how different the main branch is from the side branches
The JP branch has always been much different from EN and ID--this has been the case even since ID gen 1 debuted. People have not questioned it sufficiently to care directly, and when they do so indirectly, as by asking Kronii for GFE etc., they are rebuffed--because HoloEN has a different culture from HoloJP. Also, this claim seems rather beyond the pale when you realize that these western "fans" presumably know of JP 'stars, and the separation of 'stars from the main JP branch, and yet do not care, or voice their frustrations on le reddit or elsewhere; thus, it seems unlikely that these complaints will coalesce behind Tempus, especially seeing as how Tempus does get to collab with HoloEN and HoloID.
>More and more western collab beggars will start to complain
Again, this depends on the existence of "collab beggars", who do not exist in very great numbers. This is especially the case because Tempus already get a lot of collabs. I think considering Tempus to be EN gen 3 is a useful thought experiment, though noting that they are male 'stars, and comparing this to HoloMYTH vs. HoloCOUNCIL. Some MYTHers like to collab more, and some don't; and some COUNCILers want to collab more, and some don't; it is, in sum, their respective choices in collaborations. No one has complained about people being "left out" of collabs--that's a Nijisanji EN sort of complaint, not an EN one.
>how they're "pandering to incels" and "excluding the males"
I think that such claims could only really happen with evidence of active avoidance. No one's saying that holoEN hates, say, Anya, yet they don't collab with her often. What I mean to say is that, however imperfectly, viewers know that forced collabs are bad, and forcing people to collab who don't want to collab makes things worse.
>Whenever JP fans catch wind of this, they'll fight back.
I don't remember ever seeing a strong movement against HoloJP talents from the normalfag Holofags, although I have seen backlash against JP holofans. Despite their claims, they really put the livers on a pedestal, and don't really criticize them. Thus, even if there may be some prodding at HoloEN talents, I don't think it will be too injurious; and I don't think HoloJP talents will notice this at all.
>Then Ollie will openly call out "idol culture"
I don't think that this will ever happen. I am reminded, in thinking of this, of Finana's directive to "educate yourself". I could certainly imagine Finana, in this situation (especially considering the male-female integration in nijiJP) calling out so-called "idol culture" and "unicorn"-like fans, but I don't think Ollie is so gauche as to do so--especially considering that she has good relations with many JP talents. She may try to wrangle in a male into an otherwise female collab with a JP liver, but I don't think that getting rebuffed in such efforts would lead her to call out idol culture.

A lot of my argument against your final-yab future depends on Tempus themselves not being idiots and instigating some of the above events--but again, their presence is so minimal that I don't think they really have the "clout", so to speak, to get anyone to care.

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>>32739749
>livers
Eat shit and die Nijinigger

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>>32739749
Don't underestimate Tempus. A dangerously ignorant group of men can cause absolute catastrophe.

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>>32718296
Moona got doxxed long time ago due to her idol roots

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>>32715143
>The culture is so different!
>I don't watch any Holo JP content aside from clips.

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>>32742225
>>32715143
>the only ones who collab with males outside of special events are Fubuki, Matsuri...

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>>32726836
It's just funny how you trivialize the entire concept surrounding partnership, like it's lost on you.

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>>32717499
英語上手btw.

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>>32738071
chances are their ancestors actually sold yours because of the african tribe wars and slave trading of the losers kek

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>>32730840
Post tits

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>>32728237
PAVOLIA REINEEEEEEEEEEEEE
USE YOUR FUTA peaCOCK TO GET THEM BACK IN LINEE!!!!!

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>>32738071
Hi Mori!

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>>32716021
why not butterfly effect instead?

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>>32715143
"idol culture" lost its original meaning. now its only used to complain about something holo en and id dont like.

holo en an id can be like nijisanji. they dont really matter for jp

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>>32715143
actually, holoen was trying to bring hololive back to their original root
yagoo actually hate the current state of hololive, since right now has been dirtied by unicornfags

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>>32718136
just say nijifags anon

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>>32755708
>no u
Fuck off.

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>>32716021
Small actions?
Nigga he killed an archduke.

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I am almost amazed how much virtual ink is written about essentially some mediocre girl streamers in the end. As if this is some kind of historical era worthy of analysis.

Just go hop onto another streamer that fits your needs. I stopped watching holoEN except gura karaokes a long time ago. You want something and they can't give it, rest assured someone else can.

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>>32715143
At this point I don't know what to even do about it. I guess I'll just keep supporting the girls that actually care about what Hololive should be.

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>>32761391
Assassinations happened all the fucking time in prewar Europe (and America, see William McKinley). At the time it happened no one thought that assassination in particular would have long-term consequences.

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>>32732964
I shower daily. I have a job. I touch grass (as part of that job, in fact). None of that stops me from just wanting to see cute girls interact with each other.

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>>32715143
at some point, i think the EN's will grow tired and they will have zero chance at bouncing back into the idea of "idol culture". the only real chances you have for EN being idols are with gura, fauna, and maybe mumei. mori is her own catalyst and a massive reason why this entire trash has started.

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>>32715143
Dont care, still a Tempusister

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>>32715143
I'm starting to hate all of this. I hate idolculture for making all of this drama.
I hate the guys for collating with the girls and feeding it.
I hate the girls for collating and making shit worse with some statements.
I hate unicorn fans for being insecure losers who can't get over women they will never interact with existing in proximity to me.

I hate this board, I hate reddit I hate twitter.
I hate cover, I hate hololive.

I don't even have a strong opinion on collabing with males I just hate this drama taking up fucking everything constantly.

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>>32762296
idolculture did not start this drama, retards who want the company to be kumbaya and force everyone to collab just because

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>>32737387
Please, she will stay in the holo boat as long this place talks about her.

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>>32762296
It was always going to happen. People who are okay with male collabs and people who are not, can not coexist. This may however be helpful for the growth of smaller vtubers.

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>>32762545
Well then just don't watch the girls who do shit you hate.
I've never liked people sitting on things just because it doesn't appeal to them.

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>>32753797
"Idol Culture" is just a term used by schizos as an excuse to try and justify their being schizo.

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>>32762649
The problems arise from tourists coming in, demanding that the thing I like gets ruined and then they strut off like always after leaving everything covered in shit. Things were better before beggars came in like locusts.

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>>32762649
Because I was a fan of Ame for two years before she pivoted to collabing with males. I loved her and she rejected me and the other goslings who supported her. If it were just Mori and Bae it wouldn't be an issue but they're trying to push Tempus on everyone.

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>>32737387
Cool fanfic

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Feels good knowing my JP oshi will absolutely never interact or even acknowledge the male branches exist.

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I win, Game over unicorns

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>>32762810
>but they're trying to push Tempus on everyone
Can't you just admit nobody is manipulating Ame or Kronii and they did it out of their own will.

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>>32762954

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>>32763098
can't collab with males if you never stream
EN still manages to fuck that one up lmao

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Just as planned

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>>32763524
unironically, Mori is just a puppet

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>>32763034
Sure, but there's still a concerted effort from Omega/Ollie/Mori/Bae to normalize Tempus collabs, and Ame and Kronii are going along with it.

The risk, again, is in driving a wedge between JP and the side branches. And you know which one goes when push comes to shove.

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>>32715143
It's funny that for as many male collabs with Apex and Valo as Towa has done, she's yet to collab with any of the Stars

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>>32763524
The Anime podcast that don't watch Anime.

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>>32764099
She wants the pro fps cock

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>>32764099
that's because she's based

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Subaru is based because the only male she interacts with was also designed by Shigure

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So is tempus just a tool that some in hololive are just using to further some old grudges or something? Tempus seems kind of oblivious to what is going on and probably scared to say no to the big shot coworkers. They seem like nice guys, shame these bitches are just using them to fight old grudges. Kind of reminds me of some old women in offices I have worked in in the past

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i feel like im not mentally ill enough for this board, tempus guys are just charming, and they actually stream unlike some of the en girls. idol culture fucking sucks lol

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>>32721674
>it's OK when we do it

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>>32764099
Stars are poison.

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>>32715143
Reine will give Ollie a taste of her shoe before that ever happens
Gura has clearly chosen to move closer to JP recently too

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>>32768583
Reine is joining the worm collab.

[Anonymous No.]

EN really just see the worst mistake they could make and go for it.

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>>32767644
You don't know what idol culture is.

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>>32767644
Leave and don't return, cuck.

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>>32715143
Keep the boys and girls segregated. Keep personal relationships and interactions with the opposite gender off-stream and don't ever bring it up. Fire Omega.

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>>32767644
ok whitney, dont forget to tweet about it

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Subaru is too good