Cover took down the video about Kronii straight face lying to her members.

[Anonymous No.]

This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by カバー株式会社.
カバー株式会社 = Cover Co., Ltd.

Seems like almost all of EN are /here/ indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
>dbspic language

[Anonymous No.]

Channel seems to be gone too.

But I downloaded the video. After work today I will upload it THREE new places. Not because I care about Kronii one way or the other. Its because I don't appreciate abuse of copyright by corporations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
That isn't abuse is it? He's literally just reuploading their content. He didn't do anything transformative to it like commentary or parody or anything just straight up the same video reposted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
>direitos autorais DO Ouro Kronii
Oh no, Kronii is a man confirmed

[Anonymous No.]

I mean yeah it had a chuuba's members footage and people reported it to cover. Just like Kiara saying nigga. Did you really expect it to stay up forever?

[Anonymous No.]

If you didn't know, they copyright claim any clips from membership streams.

[Anonymous No.]

what even was it

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655525
Gee it's like it's outlined in their acceptable use policy for their content on the website!

[Anonymous No.]

Now i'm curious
It's usually ok unless you cut something out of context

[Anonymous No.]

>Upload member-only unarchived footage
>It gets deleted
>Act surprised
Anyway, what happened to Pekora's monkey ?
The cat probably ate it

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
Brazilian language. Of course.
How many of subhumans are around here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

Whoa, its almost like you can't reupload members content....

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655481
It is a reupload of PAYWALLED content produced under her copyright. Of course they’ll take it down under copyright infringement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655525
Ame & Gura have shit tons of their members' karaokes leaked with no problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655701
It was never ok to upload members only clips. Try this shit on any other talents, same thing would happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
>Re-upload of member only content

Yeah, no shit.

>>32655347
Re-uploading content is not abuse. Especially when they explicitly say not to re-up member's only content

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655481
they have the right to take down any hololive clips they want, clippers only exist because they let them
but when you're posting MEMBERS ONLY clips on youtube you're just retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
new platforms or bust anon

[Anonymous No.]

>"You can do whatever you want, but please don't clip membership content without authorization or make videos destined to create pointless drama"
>*Anon posts a clip from a members only stream to create pointless drama*
>"WHY IS IT DELETED THIS IS ABUSE BY THE CORPORATION OVERLORDS HOLY SHIT THIS IS LITERALLY 1948"

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
in that same thread, someone reuploaded it

https://files.catbox.moe/09k8qf.mp4

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
No way Cover would be so stupid to do a claim on one of their own talents. This must be a troll. Also doesn't management have access to the channels anyway? They could have removed it themselves instead of causing a strike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656571
Holy fuck that cat is FAT

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655912
Exactly. Also Ame has doxx videos with half a million views. Cover didn't take it down either

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656748
>REEEEEEE, YOU MADE A JOOOOOOOOKE ON TWITTER

Goddamn, corns are somethin else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656748
Man she sounds high as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

So Cover will take down videos, but they won't take a monkey away from a Hikki that clearly can't take care of it. Real nice priorities they got.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656902
They didn't claim a video on her channel, they claimed a clip where someone uploaded something from a members only stream. You baka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656260
They actually literally don't have the right to take down any hololive clips they want though. If you put a clip from a stream in a video essay discussing vtubers to illustrate the point you're making they can't do shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655912
well then report it if you care
>>32657052
they don't own the rights to the footage used in dox videos so they can't easily remove them

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657305
Take them to court and argue for Fair Use. Seriously, I wanna watch you stupid faggots argue to the judge about how ACKSHUALLY, SHE TALKD TO MEN is important criticism. Enough to re-upload clips from private member's only streams, which is against both Youtube and Cover's TOS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
Don't put the "member" part in the title

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656748
So is she in or out. Just choose one side and commit to it Kornii, you're more of a comedian to me anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657305
obviously I mean actual clip videos that are just reuploads from a stream not someone using a 5 second clip in his hour long video essay

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657305
Good thing the subject isn't video essays but content which is not transformative or protected by fair use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655481
he literally titled the video "Kronii lied to her fans".
Fair use doctrine in the US includes for the purpose of criticism. He uploaded a 30 second clip from the entire VOD so any fair use analysis by a judge would be found in his favor as far as the amount and substatiality prong of the fair use test goes. The amount of the original he used was the smallest amount necessary.

For reference, Fair use in the US is an affirmative defense used when being accused of copyright infringement, but in Lenz v Universal, the Supreme Court affirmed it's a right enshrined in the constitution itself and needs to be considered before someone sues someone else for copyright infringement.

When determining if something is a fair use, a judge weighs the following factors of the fair use test
1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

BTW, I'm not a lawyer, but I do study law for fun, so this isn't legal advice or anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
Yeah it's membership content you retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
>memberstream content
>abuse of copyright
Neck yourself, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
See: >>32657590

Mind you, there is no Fair Use in Japan. So they are well within their rights to strike any video that violates Japanese copyright laws, since the content originates from Japan through Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
>Fair use doctrine in the US includes for the purpose of criticism.
Tell that to a Japanese company staffed by old men lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656748
The fuck, she sounds so old. Most Japanese male vtubers sound cuter than her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655876
>>32656260
>>32657590
>>32657674
See
>>32657686 (Me)

Also, before you make a fool of yourself even further, you should read up on the jurisprudence regarding what is and isn't considered a transformative use.
This one is actually pretty relevant.
https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/summaries/hosseinzadeh-klein-sdny2017.pdf

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
>>32657590
He should put an OH NO NO NO track over the video so that it's considered transformative enough to be fair use

[Anonymous No.]

>post member clip on youtube
>get deleted
>nyooo this is abuse
the absolute state of dramaniggers
Kronii is still a whore though

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658180
don't care sorry
japanese company

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
>wordswordswords
only retards read longer than "in the US." There's potentially no US parties involved here, pre-law chud

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
A title is not sufficiently transformative to anyone but the most retarded of judges and you'd have to be insane to double down and take it to court using that as your defense rather than just taking the video down peacefully, especially against a company from a country known to successfully use legal loopholes to take down anime reviews that actually are protected by American fair use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658180
Before you make a fool of yourself further, you should remember that the content made and produced by Cover's talents are based in Japan and not America.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
The staff is here at least
They're the mods

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
Maybe try not stealing paid membership content, or even better just kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
>Seems like almost all of EN are /here/ indeed.
Nope, people just reported it to cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657635
>you're more of a comedian to me anyways
she's not funny though

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
good, clippers deserve teh rope. if you're not a fan, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658454
>There's potentially no US parties involved here
YouTube/Google?

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>>32658001
Youtube is not under the jurisdiction of Japanese Law, you bumbling idiot. Also, the DMCA is strictly American law and intentional misrepresentation is a crime. Anyone who files a false DMCA is liable for damages under 17 USC Section 512(f).
So, no. They do not have the right to infringe the rights of non-Japanese citizens on a platform not based in Japan, you fool.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
>>32658180
This anon doesnt even know hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
Japanese company. Streamer not based in the US. You charging in to talk about US law for some reason. Canada and Japan are both way stricter about lible and slander. So I'd tread carefully about how far you want to take this nonsense

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658454
>There's potentially no US parties involved here, pre-law chud
Who is Google?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658900
I will end you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659036
Then fund the fucking retard and his anti retard crusade, wanna-be lawyer-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658900
Cuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659169
I will end you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658882
Based. All these people saying they are funny when their not trying to be funny. You get 2 snort laughs per stream max with her

[Anonymous No.]

Clockcucks, how does it feel to continue losing

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659227
>says the 300lbs basement dweller while tripping from his piss bottles lying on the floor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
A toast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
Hololive is a japanese company anon, and in japan they can sue you for defamation if you stain a company’s name even if you’re in the right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
Pretty at least the one on the left is a fake take down. Notice it's not her actual user/account name and doesn't match the normal Cover report.

This is next level actual psychotic schizo behavior whatever is going on if that's true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
A little bit more, the fall of hololive is near!!! Fuck idol culture kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
Based freedom fighter

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
>I really don't care but I have to fight on the internet!
Nice SJW tier logic sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
based brain damaged subhuman

[Anonymous No.]

jesus christ who the fuck cares none of you faggots will ever get to fuck her anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
You used a lot of words just to tell everyone you’re a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

Ah yes, your retarded ass uploading members content being reuploaded...that's against the rules of membership. Why do you SEAFags lack common sense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659533
No anon, you don’t understand, the fall of hololive is finally here

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655481
You are just projecting American copyright law. This does not apply everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655481
Actually he did, though. He edited in some music and a twitter screenshot. Boom, transformative.
>>32656023
They can't override law.
>>32658412
Don't care, US based host.
>>32659447
I hear if you suck them off hard enough they'll give you free.membership AND social credit points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
No problem I will remind every Kronies in case they ever forget

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659583
This. If you are going to upload a paywalled youtube stream on youtube, of course its going to be taken down, otherwise it would make youtube look bad for not protecting it's content creators.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659090
>>32659399
You don't understand what you're talking about. Youtube/Google falls under US jurisdiction, not Japan. There is no legal avenue for a japanese company or anyone else from any other country for that matter to take down the content of someone using Japanese law or the law of another country unless they are suing someone within their own country and one of the remedies granted by their own legal system is forcing the defendent to remove their video.
For ANY and ALL removals on American sites, companies and individuals, including foreign entities, must use the content removal provision of the DMCA to request removal of their copyrighted content. Companies like Google/Youtube also have the ability to implement extra-judicial systems at their own discretion like Content-ID.

Please stop talking about things you clearly don't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
Very based anon, fuck companies abusing dmca, cover is fine with clippers when its positive shit giving them free exposure and growth. This shit was transformative so they need to nut up and take it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659633
You're correct, but it certainly applies to youtube and the DMCA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659687
Civil law is meaningless unless you can afford the court fees. Welcome to the US!

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659627
no it isnt

take your fucking meds already

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659408
Tourist-kun... You know you can actually access that thread before defecating, right?
With that said >>32477349
Go on and post your finds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659573
>you understand US copyright law so you're a retard.
Anon, I'm not even sure where to start with that one. Maybe provide a single argument before you stumble into this thread and trip over your own legs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658161
English chuubas were a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658882
>she's not funny though
yeah female comedian

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658001
>>32657686
I'm a Filipino lawyer.
Fair use and copyright law covers the entire world globally. This has been established in numerous treaties around the world. Japan, being one of the people that really need to protect IPs, participate and follow all of them.
Second, fair use is circumstantial. This is probably NOT fair use if there's no criticism or commentary or not for educational purposes. If there is and it isn't for monetary gain, it could enter fair use, though.
Basically, fair use is also measured if the company is monetarily damaged by the use of the copyright. So in this case this obviously damages cover since its members' only content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658180
It's a clear violation of Cover reuse TOS, which you agreed to when you made a clip, and which (as a contract) trumps "fair use".

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659959
>Fair use and copyright law covers the entire world globally

lol. lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
good, that means enough people reported it
>>32655347
>Why yes, I love living life as an idiot how could you tell?
>>32659687
Cry about it. Little bitch baby.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656748
Jesas... Rushia graduated for less...

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
>/vt/ has no power!!!!
Kneel to unicornchads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659036
But this wasn't a DMCA claim, this was a ContentID claim. YouTube set that system up to avoid international law complications; and there's certainly no penalty for false ContentID claims.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
Based, fight to keek Hololives values intact

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660079
Yes, dumbass. The entire world follows similar copyright laws. IPL is LITERALLY built with treaties and conventions. Fair use is a universal concept.
You don't know anything, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659837
kay then, i found this for ya >>32503946

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660153
Cool so he should just circumvent contentid next time he reuploads by resizing the video and altering the playback speed, for short enough clips that has worked in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660182
Ah huh. Anyway, crazy bout that China place, huh? Well anyway, I'm glad that Corpos like Cover can have their talent play any games they want. Since fair use applies to Japan and all, yeah?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658504
>>32658412
>you should remember that the content made and produced by Cover's talents are based in Japan and not America.
That literally has no bearing on whether or not they're able to request a take down or not. It's hosted on an American website, so therefore it's subject to US law. In Google's case, I believe it's specifically California Law, though that dumb shit that companies do like moving their HQ to Delaware on paper might mean that it's changed to that state instead.
Either way, the Japanese nor any other country have the ability to enforce their laws on American websites. They have to opperate within the bounds of US law when requesting the removal of content, unless, like I said earlier, if it's against their own citizens in their own court of law. In that case, the removal of content would be done by the users themselves and Youtube would have no business stepping in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659708
In the United States, a judge reviews a specific case based on a set of principles to decide if fair use applies. Different countries/regions have different rules about when it’s OK to use material without the copyright owner’s permission. For example, in the United States, works of commentary, criticism, research, teaching, or news reporting might be considered fair use. Some other countries have a similar idea called fair dealing that may work differently.

[Anonymous No.]

So, are you guys going to do anything about this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659687
>They can't override law.
Literally just wrong. Contracts trump copyright law, it's in the statute. By paying for membership, you agreed not to repost membership content, and that contract excludes fair-use reposting.

[Anonymous No.]

Even under US law, fair use is an affirmative defense - they can still copyright strike you, and it only comes into play if you decide to fight it in court, which dramafags will never do because it means revealing their identity to the company.
By the way, the law doesn't actually matter, because the strike system is YouTube's policy, and as a private website they can choose to handle this stuff however the fuck they want

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659978
Good luck convincing a judge of that. If companies were allowed to have provisions like that, then there would literally never be any fair uses because every company would just prevent people from making fair uses of their content.
Sorry, try again retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660333
The point though is the other countries law doesn't matter you take videos down on youtube using US copyright law. It's a DMCA notice that you serve when you take down content for a copyright claim the whole process is American law. Japanese law is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
>indisponivel

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660182
similar, not identical, and the difference matters

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660185
You know that i can see the content you posted even if i don't open your link, right? Tourists are so funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660286
He should; I didn't get to see the clip before it got axed. What did she say? Was it something about no collab with males?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660324
Youtube does not only operate in the US. Videos can be made unavailable in other countries because of different laws.

[Anonymous No.]

Damn imagine getting not only Kronii’s manager to strike the video the first time, but now Cover’s lawyers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660304
>Ah huh. Anyway, crazy bout that China place, huh?
China is a bad example.

>I'm glad that Corpos like Cover can have their talent play any games they want. Since fair use applies to Japan and all, yeah?
It probably does. While fair use is a US concept it has been adapted around the world; either the same or similar. Japan is one of them, the standards are just different.
As I said, fair use is circumstantial. The only thing widely accepted is the concept that "if I lose money by letting him use my copyright then it isn't fair use".
In that instance, fair use isn't applicable because talents playing the game can be seen as detrimental in terms of monetary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660304
>>32660855
I mean, care to explain why comiket is a thing, anon? I mean, if fair use isn't a thing there, then SURELY all of that is illegal, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660574
It is not irrelevant, they will still take japanese law into consideration.

[Anonymous No.]

Couldn't it just be the fact that you're circumventing paywalled content?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659880
>US copyright law
>content owned by Japanese company
Not just a retard but a drooling one at that

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660424
Its nothing new. To give you an example. LTG's antis always upload edited streams and it's up to him whether he wants to bother to pursue and take it down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656748
Something about the way she speaks grates me. It just sounds so insincere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660921
It is, but the IP holders would never sue because that would hurt their business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660921
It is a thing, it’s just that they aren’t doing anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660921
Asians don't follow laws in the same way that the West does. Unspoken social rules are powerful there which is why something that should be illegal by technicality, like Comiket, is overlooked by higher ups. Because it's a cultural thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32661100
She's trying to avoid responsibility even before the fact--that's what it sounds like to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32661110
>>32661146
>>32661189
Anon, they are protected, to some extent. It's still a gray area. That's LITERALLY why when there was a run to actually forgo their rights a lot of people lobbied against it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660921
well, yes, technically.
that's why doujin circles self-enforce limited distribution of their works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32658500
>A title is not sufficiently transformative to anyone but the most retarded of judges
There's actually a fairly recent fair use case that covers exactly that.
https://casetext.com/case/in-re-dmca-subpoena-to-reddit-inc
>On the other hand, Darkspilver did not alter or strongly "transform" the advertisement. He posted it in full with the caption: " "WHAT GIFT CAN WE GIVE TO JEHOVAH?"... guess what? ... WT Magazine NOVEMEBER 2018, Full Backpage ‘Advert’ " (Dkt. 8-1, ¶ 8; Dkt. 8-3 (Ex. B).) There is no factual dispute about the posting. However, because of the nonprofit nature of Darkspilver's posting and his stated purpose to evoke conversation, the Court finds that this factor weighs in favor of Darkspilver.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660775
A bunch of condescending bullshit in an attempt to keep her paypigs while not adjusting her own behavior at all, but that was basically the stream in its entirety. The clip specifically was about how she promised in the members stream to no longer interact with tempus on twitter. Then about a day later went right back to replying to their posts. Typical holo en bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
This. This is how a man should act. Not for anyone but what he believed in

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660855
>It probably does

It literally does not and Mio almost lost her channel because of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660998
>japanese company publishes content on a us-based hosting platform
>thinks us law wouldn’t supersede japanese law in that context
Retardchama...

[Anonymous No.]

Channel link plz

[Anonymous No.]

It got taken down because it's members content, you're all arguing over fucking nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656571
didn't read, cute cat tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
do it, make her suffer

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
Based, looking forward to seeing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
keep fighting the good fight, you beautiful retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659633
Most of the civilized world has dealings with and in the US, so laws actually are pretty universal, the only laws that doesn't "apply everywhere" are laws like in Kansas where you can fuck a cow legally, something I'm sure wouldn't fly in India.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32661100
>insincere
Dude, she couldn't lie for shit. She tried to look away from chat and her eyes were blinking non stop. You only need to fear the one who lie to you with a poker face

[Anonymous No.]

>what is Streisand effect
censoring never worked on the internet and probably never will, cover is retarded
it's usually much better just to ignore the drama than actively trying to cover it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657590
>Cover's TOS
I don't remember signing any kind of contract with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659959
I don't think you're actually a lawyer. Even if countries have treaties respecting copyright, it doesn't mean they treat all cases the same. A good example of that is the whole situation in Canada and the US when it comes to Sherlock Holmes or other old IP that has recently entered the public domain. When things enter the public domain is different between the US and Canada with the later having a significantly smaller time window for which the IP does not enter the public domain.
This creates the situation where a Canadian might be able to make a derivative work and sell it under Canadian law but it would be considered copyright infringement under US law. If the Canadian then uploaded their work to a Canadian website, even if the original work was written by an American, there would be no legal recourse to force the Canadian to take down their work that is legal under their own legal system.
As a lawyer you should be aware of the concept of legal sovereignty, correct?

Japanese copyright law is completely irrelevent when attempting to take down a foreign citizen's content that is not under the jurisdiction of Japanese law. They literally can't use Japanese law to take down foreigner's youtube content. That has to be done either through that foreigner's own legal system or through the legal system where youtube is based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657686
That isn't transformative enough, it isn't even criticism, its an accusation which isn't even true on the face of it, and its from literal paid content, which means the clipping of it blatantly damages Cover monetarily. By all means do it yourself and take it to court when they strike you down, I'd love to see you be stuck having to pay Cover's court fees.

[Anonymous No.]

People here still seething that they know they were the targets of that “don’t act maidenless” comment as much as they want to project it was directed at the fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>32661700
Nah it got taken down because youtube is proactive in removal of potential contentid and copyright infringement materials. Its very likely that the video was sufficiently transformative and if the poster took it to court with competent representation would prove so. But that shit costs money and requires self dox, so like that anon said he should just keep reposting it instead. Costs less that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
Based, burn Hololive to the ground, make those whores suffer.
Try kiwifarms, they have a hateboner for that kind of stuff. They're on the darkweb at the moment though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660153
Right. And ContentID is an extrajudicial process implemented by Google/Alphabet itself, so it literally has nothing to do with Japanese law, or even American law at that.
The point is, that Cover cannot remove the content as a matter of Japanese law.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662069
talk shit get hit

[Anonymous No.]

>Seems like almost all of EN are /here/ indeed.
hold up, a bunch of english-speaking weebs in their twenties use this website? what the

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662010
You dont need to. Using a service is enough to accept its TOS. I think they're useless in the court though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660830
But this video wasn't made unavailable in Japan. This video was taken down completely.
Which means that it was either taken down by DMCA or by ContentID, most likely the later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32659687
>B-but the law
You are too underage to understand how private property works or to post in here. Is their site they can delete anything they want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662212
Impossible...

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660927
You're correct but only in the context of them pursuing a japanese citizen in Japanese courts.
A Japanese company cannot use Japanese law in American courts, for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32656748
People seriously, unironically oshi something like this? Wtf is wrong with you? And I don't even talk about the lying, she straight sounds like a hooker on crack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662372
nta, but its ultimately irrelevant cause no dramanigger here crying about copyright is going to take Cover to court over it, cause they'll have to reveal their identity and actually put money on the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32660528
Nip law, retard. Stupid and outdated but the game you agreed to play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655189
jajajajaja is funny !
I don't know what made me type like this, I'm Slavic..

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>>32662050
>That isn't transformative enough
Only a judge can decide that and they've sided with less transformative cases in the past.
This was a clip accusing Kronii of lying by showing her making a promise to her members and then immediately breaking that promise.
You'd be hard-pressed to find a judge that wouldn't consider that a fair use because the only way the user would be able to prove their accusation would be through a clip of the members stream. Such a clip is critical of its subject on its face.

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>>32662447
They don't have to faggot, they can just keep reposting it to prove a point. She very clearly lied and was only saying whatever she thought would calm down her most valuable paypigs in that moment, with no intention of committing to it.

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>>32662448
Are you suggesting Cover would be able to convince an American judge to use Japanese law in their court?
Because that's literally what you're suggesting.

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>>32662010
When you sign up for the membership, you agree to the terms given in Cover TOS.

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>>32662624
If you interpret “I tend to keep my distance” as “I will never interact with anyone with the Y chromosome ever again”, you’re the one with actual autism here, mate.

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>>32662684
Those terms don't supercede the constitution, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662649
>elevenese company
Why do you think the hypothetical trial would be in burgerland?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662624
>Prove a point
That you retarded? Can you take you silly little crusade somewhere "brave" internet warrior

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662014
Not the Filipino "lawyer", but I think that's a bad example. The situation regarding historic copyright terms in the U.S. occurred before the U.S. joined the world's copyright system; the current differences are just left over from that time. But anyone who actually read those international copyright treaties would know that it states that works should be treated equally in different countries, according to the laws of those countries.

[Anonymous No.]

I get the part about airing clock double standard but why the fuck are you retards talking about courts? It's just one clipshit mad about a copystrike, who the fuck cares about his feefees more than the video?

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>>32662828
Please study the most basic parts of law before you ask such a dumb question.
Jurisdicition is probably the very first thing that law students learn in Law school.

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>>32662750
Thanks for confirming you didn't check the video the thread is about retard, “i wont interact on twitter” then interacts on twitter. You are already a cuck dont be a pathetic dishonest white knight too.

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>>32662989
>law students
>Law school
top fucking lel, don't tell me the clipfag is an actual law student anally ravaged about getting striked.

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>>32662750
not even the right quote.
https://files.catbox.moe/8684g7.mp4

>nor am I gonna interact with them in public
>maybe drop by their stream and say hi, nice
>not really on twitter cause as I dont use twitter that often anyway

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>>32662649
That’s not how copyright enforcement works. This shit isn’t some federal level case that the US Supreme Court is going to waste their time on. This is a matter that stays between YouTube and the companies claiming copyright.

YouTube honors copyright laws the company/individual claiming copyright infringement are subject to. This is why Nintendo gets all their shit on YouTube removed and why that dude that did dragonball reviews had his channel wiped out. YouTube regularly enforces copyright claims from Japanese companies regardless of US fair use laws.

[Anonymous No.]

You unicorns turn into antis so easily and so quickly, yet you still mald about being seen as human waste.

The clip has 0 chance on youtube. It could only live on around here until Cover contacts 4ch administration for moderation policies like Vshoujo did.
https://en.hololive.tv/terms

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>>32655347
keep going bro

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>>32662862
>that you retard
Sorry I don’t listen to esl retards
>somewhere
Ok Ill take it here, to the thread about the video. Seethe more clock cuck

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>>32663048
You have to have something else better to do besides keeping up this retarded charade.

[Anonymous No.]

Clips are good only when it's convenient uh?, who would've thought so!

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>>32663201
Cope, seethe and dilate tranny.
IYou and your whore are about to discover the streisand effect

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663201
> turn into antis so easily and so quickly
No, we were fine for a whole year with the same ideals, we didn't change, holoEN changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663201
I like how you don’t even try to dispute the substance of the video, only its legal permissibility.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663142
>says all this
>comments on Vespers cock
lol
lmao

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>>32661610
It literally does. There are many limitations and exceptions in Japanese copyright law. It's a legal gray area. In fact, I read somewhere that fair use can apply in Japanese law if the courts approve it or someone codifies it officially (the American standard, I mean).

>>32662014
>I don't think you're actually a lawyer.
Then don't believe me. I don't need some autist's approval of what I am.

>Even if countries have treaties respecting copyright, it doesn't mean they treat all cases the same.
I never said they did; but there are concepts are similar if not the same. Fair use is one of them. Japan has fair use; like most of the world. If it wasn't then things like parodies would be illegal; things like exceptions of copyright for educational or news purposes would be illegal; and so on.

>As a lawyer you should be aware of the concept of legal sovereignty, correct?
Yes, though I don't see how it's that applicable here. IPL is generally international in nature now, even though different countries pass different copyright laws. WIPO compliance is a thing.

>Japanese copyright law is completely irrelevent when attempting to take down a foreign citizen's content that is not under the jurisdiction of Japanese law. They literally can't use Japanese law to take down foreigner's youtube content. That has to be done either through that foreigner's own legal system or through the legal system where youtube is based.
Did I say otherwise

>>32662905
Those are reciprocity clauses. Rights and obligations of a citizen suing for intellectual property in a foreign country is also applicable to a foreigner in a citizen's country.

[Anonymous No.]

people unironically saying to go to SEAfarms, go and never come back

[Anonymous No.]

>>32655347
Nice keep doing it man

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662440
listening to her is far more pleasant than grating chipmunk sounds (annoying) or someone like kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663225
Why would i deprive myself the opportunity to laugh at cover, kronii, and clock cucks acting like retards over the same incident. if the video makes them seethe this hard then the more its posted the better

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>>32663345
Yeah, Kronies are champs for still waiting for her response, any other chuuba would be roasted by the fans for this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662440
I have never heard a hooker on crack. I wouldn't know what they sound like, but I suspect you are lying.

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>>32663302

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>>32663468
You could be fapping to porn.

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>>32662905
There's no such thing as "the world's copyright system".
There's a patchwork system of sovereign law systems that have attempted to find common ground within their own legal systems. The US is not beholden to honor the copyright systems of other countries just as your country is not obligated to follow US law when not involved with US platforms. There's treaties that are used to attempt to standardize different copyright practices around the world, most of which are based on English and American law.

Japanese copyright law is very different from US copright law, especially when talking about what is and isn't considered a fair use. Such differences are irreconcilable under any amount of treaties or argreement. They are literally polar opposites.
Fair use doctrine is enshrined in the US constitution and no treaty is able to supercede it legally. Copyright law is extremely complicated - even more so when you're dealing with international cases. That's one of the reasons I enjoy studying it.

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>>32663510
Go on, post the cuckpost, sink Kronii's reputation even more to protect your homos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663479
>why did you talk to Tempus after you said you wouldn't
>rating their cock isn't talking to them
You would eat this shit up

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662372
No, you literally can, that's why the Narukami Sabaki case is even going on, all the gossip/slander/defamation was on youtube

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>>32663350
>Then don't believe me. I don't need some autist's approval of what I am.
topkek it's actually a seething lawfag
>I read somewhere that fair use can apply in Japanese law if the courts approve it or someone codifies it officially
Clapistani >lawyers, of course.

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>>32659978
These are the only terms you actually click agree to when you click join her membership:
https://www.youtube.com/t/terms_paidservice

You can check it yourself if you want, it takes you all the way through to the "enter bank details" step without any other terms being presented, I don't know if it comes up with some new terms after you pay, I didn't, but anything presented after that step would not be valid at all. There are no Cover specific TOS in place, and if you look at Cover https://en.hololive.tv/terms you notice these are only guidelines because you as a member or clipper haven't signed a contract with Cover at any point

This is also assuming he got the clip from being a paid member, but if he got it via some means (it being posted here for instance) he still only signed Youtube's TOS and nothing with Cover at any point.

This is a clear and egregious abuse of copyright, Cover is not legally in their rights to do this, they just know some random bored teenager does not have the means to take them to court for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663510
That wojak's funnier than it has any right to be

[Anonymous No.]

What's the video? Her member stream where she talked about homo collabs after that whole retarded controversy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662822
>Constitution
Fair use isn't in the Constitution, moron. It's a product of copyright law--it's all statute law, no const. law here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663100
That's a lot of assumptions on your part, anon.
I am neither a law student nor am I the person that uploaded the video.
I simply study copyright law for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663576
Altare casually name dropped Kronii last stream and no one fucking blinked. He doesn't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32657047
You thank lil nigga for that, he stuffed it good.

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>>32663589
>>32663345

Okay without memeing. If you think this is a big deal and worth being outraged about, youre a loser. No "touch grass" , youre just a fucking loser.

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>>32663603
Alert the presses!

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>>32663603
Then what should the anon that posted the clip should do?

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>>32662440
im oshiing her because she's depressed gook.
but now that she looks happy in collab we can assume she's liar

[Anonymous No.]

>>32662360
Truly... next to no one knows about little old 4chan, especially not the kind of people that would become a vtuber... a vtuber certainly isn't writing this reply right now either

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663672
I knew they were shit from the start.

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>>32663576
Lmao it's the fucking kronies that make her look bad, schizochama

[Anonymous No.]

Retarded thread, retarded OP for thinking that clipping member only content is ok

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>>32663825
>“Kronies”
All the kronies are on infinity anon, they never left. They unironically know each other

[Anonymous No.]

kroniis are happy that she's happy and having fun. If youre hurt she replied to a tweet and think she "lied" to you, then youre not a fan, youre just mentally ill.

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>>32655347
truly an autistic retard
>>32659736
>Very based anon, fuck companies abusing dmca
members streams are paid content anon

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>>32657686
you're willfully misunderstanding the meaning of "criticism" being applied here.
Fair use doctrine in the US covers criticism in the sense of providing critical analysis of the referenced work in itself.

Moreover, as the video title claims a fact and not an opinion, it can be considered slander. US law only protects opinion.

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>>32658180
Transformative content and fair use is actually very narrow, for example even twitch streamers don't fall under fair use or transformative content. Most of what people think it's fair use is actually not. Twitch just runs on the good will of studios but any studio could say "hey don't streamers my game" and they would in the right because streaming is not transformative or fair use. It's why Cover always gets permission first.

t. had a law class on media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663672
I’ll never fall for a homobeggar’s lies again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663906
If you deny that she lied with plenty of proof in your face, you are also not a fan you are a useless whiteknight and she will never respect your opinion because it's not sincere at all.

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>>32663772
If he has a lot of (and I mean a lot) money to burn and cares he could take them to court.
If he has a lot of time to waste (well, it doesn't really take that much) and cares he could just keep making alts and reuploading.
If he has neither, or doesn't care, he should just move on with his life.

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>all this discussion on copyright and fair use
Google can take down your video without needing any justification. Having a video taken down isn't the same as being sued. Fair use is a defense in court to being sued for copyright infringement; you can't randomly yell about it when nobody even sued you.

[Anonymous No.]

I dont really care about the drama (I havent cared about EN since before council launch) but I have been confused about her saying that she wont be the one to ask about/initiate collabs. Wasnt that always the unwritten policy of Holostars JP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663672
Based Tempus not letting themselves become battered wives like the JP branch.

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>>32663180
You're correct that Youtube removes a large amount of it's content extrajudiciously. But that's the only part you're correct about.
The reason why companies like Nintendo get their stuff removed has nothing to do with the legal processes of where the company/individual is located. They sign agreements with Youtube to access youtube's own contentID system and then use that to remove content in lieu of the DMCA. Some legal scholars including many attorneys believe such a practice is illegal because it side steps Youtube's requirements under the DMCA while still allowing it to opperate with immunity to civil liability via the section 512 dmca safe harbor provision, but that's a completely different topic.

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>>32663978
Youre mentally ill and dont understand social cues or have social awareness. She didnt do dogeza and make an oath, she casually bantered and made a vague general statement. And then she casually made a reply for fun on twitter.
So no there's nothing wrong with her talking to anyone or collabing with anyone, she never promised she wouldn't and never agreed to any of your rules.

[Anonymous No.]

Glass the catalog. Start from scratch. Generals only. This place can be saved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663320
The video is indisputable. It shows that kronii's words don't mean that much... and that's pretty much it imo.
But this entire shitshow is all on you retards validating what 99% of the community thinks about you.
You are doomed to congregate in a greasy discord server just like the doxxfags do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>32664032
No? Fubuki initiates collabs with them.
And I think I've seen a clip of Roberu saying he's refused Matsuri's requests to come drink in the "bar" after that one time.

[Anonymous No.]

just get filtered losers and go watch your jp unicorns or kiara. I mean, just stop watching? Im sure there are hundreds of you and she'll lose a lot of viewers/subs right? Right? its not just a dozen obsessed autists?

[Anonymous No.]

>>32663578
For the record Youtube has decided to use region blocking to apply copyright laws on a per-country basis.

https://kotaku.com/anime-youtube-toei-copyright-strike-fair-use-totally-no-1848432919

[Anonymous No.]

>>32664194
Every man starts to refuse festival after one time. There are some rocks you just can't trip twice with.