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Honestly what's even the appeal of Hololive anymore? They are just mediocre streamers with no permissions to do anything interesting. Production Kawaii is basically old Hololive's GFE minus the yabs. Take the small corpo pill bros.

>> No.32548250

>>32548076
monkey

>> No.32548379

>>32548250
UUUOOOOAOAAHHHAIAAIEEEEE

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>>32548250
fpbp

>> No.32549174

>>32548076
sunk cost fallacy

>> No.32549193

>>32549174
This.

>> No.32549208

>>32548250
a fucking MONKEEEEEEEE

>> No.32549212

Vtubers arent just about streams.

>> No.32549214

No thanks, beggar

>> No.32549341

This thread was brought to you by a Phase shill

>> No.32549485

Didn't you already use this image and reused this same post in another thread about the same thing?

>> No.32549671

>>32548076
Why is it whenever some yab happens these small corpo shill crawl out from their dark corners trying to convince people to watch their irrelevant streamers?

>> No.32550054

>>32548076
There are better ways to promote your 2views and off-brand corpo vtuber groups, anon.

>> No.32550138

>>32548076
.

>> No.32550238

>>32549671
>>32550054
There will be a market for it if HoloEn becomes NIJ2.0.

>> No.32550337

>>32548076
Hololive is lawful good territory. It doesn't matter how far you go into the wild, you'll eventually crave return to civilization.

>> No.32550789

In fact, in exchange for their popularity, they have lost their involvement with the industry.
The only collaborators are the members of Hololive. They are so busy with other things than streaming that streaming has been neglected.
They have more unicorns than any other company and are feared and avoided involvement by male Vtubers.
Fans foolishly support them even if they don't deliver, resulting in some members stopping their efforts and becoming lazy.
Stupid companies guarantee a certain level of popularity with name value that is out of proportion to popularity and effort.

>> No.32550876

>>32548076
Just post the Pippa shill already, faggot

>> No.32551028

>>32550337
Nah, now that male collabs are in, I'm out.
Have fun in the cuckshed though and enjoy your Nijisanjification

>> No.32551066

>>32548076
Ok nijiloser.

Still watching hololive.

>> No.32551273

I've always hated EN. It never made sense for idols to go mainstream.

>> No.32551732

>>32548076
Don't bother trying to reason with the Holodrones. Those who remain willfully slaves to the brand are fully unboard with the cuckening and continued Nijisanjification and can't wait to see more of their oshis suck the cocks of other males live on stream, and anyone who disagrees is just an "entitled incel chud!".

>> No.32552015

>>32548076
Male interaction is the new holo hype! Dont you wanna see a holoen girl be all flirty with a holoen boy? Please! Watch em and donate!

>> No.32552055

>>32548076
Stop shitposting Kawaii. You will only attract antis

>> No.32552068

>>32552015
why do people superchat
it boggles the mind

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>>32550238
>>32551066
>>32551732
>My incel fee-fees are hurt! HoloEN is turning into Nijisanji!
Don't worry little unicorns, that will never happen. HoloEN would have to be entertaining for that first.

>> No.32552163

>>32548076
Tempus really shows how the EN side really got fucked with permissions for games. We cant get JRPG kino because the related companies are a bunch of retarded fossils.
Turns out, they stream nothing but minecraft because that is like the only fucking game they have permissions for and it wont debuff numbers.

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>>32552122

>> No.32552197

>>32548076
>what's even the appeal of Hololive anymore?
Gura.

>> No.32552264

Polka is a real idol, I love her

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>>32552182
What an odd picture. I have literally never seen a bad post attached to a Selen image.

>> No.32552441

>>32552068
Because they're not a poor nigger like you?

>> No.32552485

>>32552441
I really don't get it at least members get comfy limited streams.

>> No.32552490

>>32552068
I never donated to any vtuber.
But i will member tempus because they stream and they stream during my work hours and its fun to listen to them.

>> No.32552495

>>32550789
This is probably

>> No.32552531

>>32552490
A million twitch users stream at that time.

>> No.32552561

>>32552531
Twitch is blocked at my workplace.

>> No.32552604

>>32548076
They are just streamers who want to sell their anime avatar merchandise and wish people would buy it

>> No.32553003

>>32548076
I will now shit on Production Kawaii. Thanks for the heads up, anon!

>> No.32553068

>>32552423
You're right, they're all much worse than that.

>> No.32553252

>>32548076
You are only acting like this because you spent thousands in supas on someone that scammed you

>> No.32553520

>>32548076
Please do not watch Kawaii. We don't want normalfags and ledditors in the fanbase

>> No.32553630

>>32552485
Most of them superchat for the dopamine hit of their oshi talking to or acknowledging them directly.
It's much more of a dopamine hit to get an oshi to respond to you regularly through normal chat messages though.

>> No.32553762

>>32553520
heh reverse psychology

>> No.32554019

>>32549671
These "Shills" are falseflaggers trying to get people to hate the small corpos

>> No.32554848

>>32550238
There won't be a market for them even if both Niji and Holo collapse
There are good reasons nobody fucking watches them

>> No.32554895

>>32554019
Why would they do that? I already hate them

>> No.32554943

>>32554895
They want more people to hate them

>> No.32554963
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>>32548076
still waiting for this supposed downfall. if its the EN branch then its nothing. at the end of the day, the JP branch still stands tall, while the EN scene is just struggling to even keep a major audience.

>> No.32555017

>>32548076
Hololive wasn't originally GFE newfag

>> No.32555259

>>32552490
Literally go on twitch there are 10x the streamers who plays a wide variety of games and 10x the content if all you need is someone to stream during your hours

>> No.32555296

>>32555017
If anything, idolfagging was the opposite of GFE. Someone would get publicly crucified for getting that familiar with one of their pure idols.

>> No.32555392

>>32554963
The downfall already happened. It was called the Holocaust.

>> No.32555574

>>32550789
I mean you can see this in the difference with the Holostars. All of them are putting in their streaming reps, they have way more Niji connections. Holo is actually a debuff because people know how schizo the fandom is and actively don't want to interact with them. Holostars had to actively find ways to work around this. Which means if the talents can't produce or end up in a rut or run out of content due to lack of permissions and lack of creativity to ask for interesting permissions, you get Hololive 2022.

>> No.32555576

>>32550238
>if
when*

>> No.32556761

>>32555574
How does twitch get around the permissions problem? It's something you never hear about over there.

>> No.32557584

>>32556761
Not a japanese company

>> No.32558135

>>32557584
Could that be the reason so many Hololivers get curious about streaming on twitch? Because they desperately want to escape from the minecraft gulags? Could hardly blame them if japanese companies are so terrible about getting permissions.

>> No.32558251

>>32548076
Yes, we all hate HoloEN. But if you're trying to get me to abandon HoloJP 5th Gen, then you can effectively fuck yourself. I love them, goddamn you.

>> No.32558399

Honestly Hololive should just lead the charge to force Japan to loosen up with the permissions shit so that the Japanese stop fucking themselves over

>> No.32558409
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32558409

Imagine being in hololive and missing out on kino 3D super

>> No.32558451

>>32556761
>>32558135
Being on twitch doesn't help when their problem is antis tattling to everyone about the slightest possible violation.
Twitch isn't free of copyright permissions either, you can get suspended (or at least the vod muted) playing certain music, and everyone started watching masterchef a while ago because Twitch got permissions for it.

>> No.32558454

>>32558409
>i wanna look like lenny dykstra, the model

>> No.32558544

>>32555259
Twitch tends to be blocked at many workplaces

>> No.32558552

>>32558399
Only war with China would stop the Japanese from having a retardedly stagnant economy and political culture and at that point Hololive will be my last issue since I'll be on a fucking ship

>> No.32559045

>>32558552
Umm... Have you checked the news lately?

>> No.32559256

>>32558399
Permission shit is an issue for holos but the girls having absolutely shit taste in games or just bad at finding non fomo ones plays much bigger part.
Look at those non triple A steam games, pretty sure good ammount of the devs are excited to see anyone streams their games.

>> No.32559518

>>32559256
I bet management doesn't allow them to take the risk on streaming totally unknown steam indies, at least not often. Would love to have a chuuba who tries out different indie games every stream though, or even just a normal streamer who does that.

>> No.32559732

>>32558399
This basically >>32559256
Most of the girls are entertainers and not gamers so they tend to play mainstream games, but there are some actual gamer girls in Holo who play a much wider variety of them. Nobody in HoloEN but there's Kaela for example has no issue playing random indie game #3832 from Steam early access. The problem on the JP side is a lot of JP indie games aren't on services like Steam so you have to dig for them.

>> No.32559957

>>32559045
They are still not at war so they keep being retarded

>> No.32560020

>>32559256
All except for maybe 1 or 2 just constantly play FOTM shit. They don't want to try different things because they're all churning numbers so they only go for ultra safe shit which results in from a viewers end it looking like they all play the same 5 games. So, unless you absolutely love the talent personality enough to watch them play probably the 300th playthrough you've seen of some shit that another streamer who's actually interested in that genre can present way better you have shit all to watch.

Project Zomboid is a game I'm not likely to ever pick up, but at least it's something very different than what all of the other Holos are doing, so it's easy to watch.

>> No.32561911

>>32551028

I score pretty high on the unicorn spectrum myself but I became dissatisfied with EN long before the collabs, even before the Mori shit. I'm not sure when it happened but I started getting the feeling that Mori, Kiara and Ame didn't really like their audience. It wasn't like all the time but there were moments were I felt there was something bitter about the way they were talking to chat that just put me off. I haven't watched enough of Ina to know one way or the other and Gura is the only one I feel actually liked interacting with her audience.

What the chuuba's are, at the core of it all, is a daycare teacher. She's got a stadium full of children who need mental stimulation and (para)social attention. and sometimes even a little affection. When a 5 year old boy tells his teacher "I'm going to marry you when I grow up" that's the same thing that's going on when people in chat say they want to marry the streamer. Polka and Nene are really great at playing that role and I think it's safe to say most people love them. Mori and Kiara are awful, just awful, at this role and they are two of the most divisive and often reviled members of hololive.
That's what I think.

>> No.32562193

>>32561911
>Gura is the only one I feel actually liked interacting with her audience
and that's why she streams so much right

>> No.32562279

>>32548076
don't bring filthy holobronies to Kawaii they are already asking the girls for male collabs they are cucks

>> No.32562522

>>32562193
I can't comment on anything other than what I've seen on stream. Anything beyond that is affected by so many variables I can't even begin to guess at that it's pointless to assume anything about it.
I'm not a gura-stan, I've check out of EN and am on the Kawaii train now, if she really hates her audience then I'll admit I was wrong in my assessment but I can only go off of what I've seen.
I think that's a fair way to assess things like this.

>> No.32562627

>>32562522
You're just imagining things. They all do it for the money. Some of them are better at acting is all.

>> No.32562698

>>32562279
> they are already asking the girls for male collabs
I swore I would never kill again.
I hope I can make dono's from a prison cell.

>> No.32563091

>>32558409
anon you just broke the only rule this board has...

>> No.32563176

>>32562627
Well no shit, but you can enjoy your job. I have my job because of the money but there are also elements of it I really, really like doing (aswell as things I hate doing). You're naturally going to have an easier time acting happy during the parts you like than the ones you don't like.
Everything is a matter of degrees, it isn't all or nothing only for the money or only for the altruism of patting chats autistic head. You can like having an audience and also like getting paid for entertaining them. You can also be neutral on having an audience and like getting paid to entertain them, you can also hate having an audience and hate having to entertain them as a part of your job.

>> No.32563261

>>32548076
I'm just waiting for Korone to do a solo dance again. Or better yet, Boxing Workout stream.

>> No.32563466

>>32563176
Nah all the love fades away In a year.

>> No.32563616

>>32562627
I mean, there's evidence of that not being the case for everyone. Polka, for instance, apparently had enough money to retire before Hololive, but joined anyway. She doesn't pander for money, spends pretty much all her streaming income on music, and continues to preform because she loves idol shit, and thrives on the positive reinforcement from fans.
Unless you are referring strickly to EN, in which case I can't speak to that.

>> No.32563696

>>32548076
Production what? No such agency.

>> No.32563923

>>32549671
Because they have a desperate fear of becoming irreverent that they have to leech off of drama just to try and survive. Lets face it, small corps only exist to eventually merge or get bought out by bigger ones before they get gutted.

>> No.32564149

>>32563466
That's probably true for most people. A performance is a performance no matter how much sincere enjoyment goes into it. You can only perform so long before you want to do something else. I think it also is much more likely with the big name chuubas because there's even less personal investment in their audiences the sameway a teacher in a classroom of 30 kids has more problems giving them the instruction they need than in a classroom with 10. When I was in the HoloEN chats I think over the course of the first year I had one comment responded to once, now that I'm in chats with only 100 people in it at a time I'm getting interactions all the time and not just me I'm seeing allot of the active chatters getting allot of attention too. There's more of a performer-audience relationship there, more like sitting infront of a stage instead of turning on the TV. Don't get me wrong, I'm under no delusion that me and the other chatters are somehow anything other than audience members but it gives us more incentive to have a more personal investment in the show and to try and engage more meaningfully and hopefully in a way that helps the performer enjoy their work.

>> No.32564404

>>32549174
I'm literally in this until my Oshi inevitably collabs with a male. I can drop this all together when that happens.
Until then I'll just enjoy the time I have left before the homobeggars take the last thing I have here

>> No.32564591

>>32562279
you seriously think we holofags are going around begging in over corpos?
The beggars don't care about Hololive or any corpo.
They'll come for you next when they've picked our carcass clean.
I pray you avoid it, but in the end they always take your hobbies from you.

>> No.32564750

>>32564149
not reading that

>> No.32564793

>>32548076
COME HOME IDOL BROTHERS, KAWAII IS WAITING

>> No.32564902

>>32564750
Then what was the point trying to have a conversation then?

>> No.32565854

>>32564902
type less

>> No.32565932

>>32565854
No.

>> No.32566087

thread just feels like everyone pissing on EN's grave on JP

>> No.32566473

>>32552163

JRPGs are debuffs. See: Kiara, that openly recognized that focusing on JRPGs tanked her numbers.

>> No.32566867

>>32559256
>>32559732

Pretty much the only one on EN that is willing to push management for permissions despite those lazy assholes whining about it is Gura, and she's not that focused on it. "Yeah is your fucking job to get us everything on E3, now get to it".

>> No.32567152

>>32555574
You mean EN. Holo JP still shitstomps Niji into the dirt

>> No.32567436

>>32550238
Anon Niji is the way it is due to Lazulight fostering a culture of going into everyone stream.

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>>32548076
my loyalty lies not with Hololive but with my darling comet

>> No.32568675

They are part of the ever growing and record breaking family that most chuubas would be happy to be part of.

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>>32548076
Hololive has gura.

Small corpos don't have gura and are therefore nearly worthless.

>> No.32568917

>>32548250
WITH LITTLE PISS STAINED HANDS

>> No.32569015

>>32568917
Gura?

>> No.32569204

>>32564404
You aren't alone brudda

>> No.32569302

>>32566473
If only Atlus gave her permission. They gave it to Suba btw

>> No.32569385 [DELETED] 

>>32567152
HoloJP has been irrelevant since last July

>> No.32569475 [DELETED] 

>>32566087
JP died after Coco graduated. It literally has none of the original fans left. People have simply left for Nijisanji, Phase Connect, or Production Kawaii, let alone indies in general.

>> No.32569486

>>32568917
I said hands, not Ame's bed.

>> No.32569564

>>32568751
Just you wait, once any small corpo invite my girl Senzawa to work under them your Gura is over. Speaking of Senzawa do you guys know where she is her hiatus has been a bit long.

>> No.32569869

>>32569475
lmao BS

>> No.32569975

>>32549212
>HoloEN's Country Roads
For their sake, it should be kept at just streams

>> No.32570016

>>32552182
every time, like clockwork

>> No.32570038

>>32548250
>not fooking with ya
>a fucking monkey?
>little fella ya, shes mentally ill see
>poor fucking thing and hes got a cat too, poor tang
>ay, little fella with shit stained running all over scared

>> No.32570041 [DELETED] 

>>32569869
You're coping because it's true.

>> No.32570568

>>32570041
is it though

>> No.32570682 [DELETED] 

>>32570568
Yes? Numbers never fully recovered after Coco's graduation and when Rushia was fired numbers further went down. Check this shit out. You're in for a rude awakening.
https://note.com/anrimayura/n/nc313a6f5e28d

>> No.32570973

>>32570682
NijiJP was never a threat the real threat is westerner's culture wars

>> No.32571823

>>32548076
>gfe
Yawn

>> No.32572706

>>32566473
The only people who wont get debuffs from jrpg's are boomer tubers like subaru, korone, and possibly vesper who managed to make an old ass game like FTL interesting to watch.

>> No.32572776

>>32554019
I mean, they got me into small corpos so they arent doing a very good job.

>> No.32572873

>>32548076
Permissions, store managers killed Hololive.

>> No.32573227

>>32548250
FILIPINOS ARE NOT MONKEYS!!

>> No.32573763 [DELETED] 

>>32548250
That’s racist. Niggers aren’t monkeys

>> No.32574615

>>32548076
>GFE
sorry I'm not into cuck roleplay

>> No.32574626

>>32548250
indobros... not like this...

>> No.32576003

>>32559518
???????????
chilla's art being streamed weekly didn't give away that management doesn't give a fuck what they play as long as they get permissions for it and it doesn't mention taiwan?

>> No.32579328

>>32548076
OP should post cute 2d girls art next time for better success

>> No.32582507

>>32550054
No, there aren't. Being confrontational and presenting yourself as an Hololive alternative is the best way to get traction here

>> No.32582722

>>32569302
>Mori sent her fans to demand Atlus streaming permissions
>Kiara shits on the games she plays, and talks about her boring life during cutscenes
No shit ENs don't have JRPGs permissions. Even when JPs aren't into a game, they at least pretend they're interested in it and try to shill it to their audience

>> No.32582853

>>32558399
>Japan to loosen up with the permissions shit
Honest question: everyone agrees it's normal to be careful when you play music on your stream because it could be copyrighted, right? Why doesn't the same understanding extend to streaming copyrighted video games?

>> No.32582927

>>32548076
Buddy they were never GFE to begin with.

Idols =/= GFE

>> No.32582970

>>32582853
fuck off to another thread with that offtopic and to answer the question it's unironically jews

>> No.32586889

>>32549212
Everything that isn't just streams only detracts from the experience

>> No.32587681

>>32548076
Well it's your fault for only watching HoloEN anon

>> No.32589131

>>32552423
Oh hey there's one right here!

>> No.32589304

>>32548076
No, I will not watch your shitty vtuber.

>> No.32590381

>>32550337
I'm with the other guy.
Male collabs breached the sanctuary bubble. Pair that with increasingly stale content and no shift away from the Minecraft business model, and only the aristocrats of the city (Gura, Fauna, Irys) are gonna make it out of the sinking ship

>> No.32591581

>>32590381
We're stuck with minecraft and apex until they can get better perms and the fanbase can stop being little bitches who wont watch jrpg's.

>> No.32591680

>>32548076
https://files.catbox.moe/ujch5c.mp4

>> No.32591801

>>32591680
You know what this just made me think is that the girls in Hololive one hundred percent know the kind of reaction they're going to get if they're going to collab with males and do it anyway.

>> No.32592077

>>32591680
Enna has a boyfriend, so it is natural that she defends sluts

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32592187

As Idols rise, so do they fade. Such is the way of things.
Do you intend to stop male collabs? Then you must first gatekeep your hobby.

Seeker of Idols, conqueror of cunny. I too sought Idols, once.
With Idols, they say, a true Gosling can harness the GFE.
A lie, but I knew no better.
Seeker of Idols, you know not the depth of sadness within you.
It grows deeper still, the more happiness you covet.
Hololive, oh Hololive, I am a gosling in this wretched unravelled hobby.
I akasupa'd my Oshi and claimed her love, so that I might step closer to GFE.
Hololive will fall. The Idols will fade, and the male collabs with reamerge.
With male collabs unshackled, a curse will be upon us.
And anti's will take their true shape.

One day Hololive will fade, and male collabs will become a curse. Idolfags will be hobbyless, left to wander eternally.
Sadness will again be ours, and in our true shape, we can bury our happy memories of yore.
Only... is this our only choice?
Seeker of Idols, coveter of your Oshi, Seek strength. The rest will follow...

>> No.32592427

>>32592187
kino

>> No.32594917

>>32592187
Fucking based DS2 chad

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>>32548076
I LOVE NAMI

>> No.32600558

Are Project Kawaii/Phase Connect shills physically incapable of advertising their talents on their own merits? Do they have to compare them to Hololive?

>> No.32600654

>>32548076
This mf is asking for the appeal while Korone exists

>> No.32600826

>>32592187
I would have followed you, my brother... My captain... My king.

>> No.32605539

The end times are upon us...

>> No.32607306

>>32600558
Homebeggars falseflagging as small corpos fans

>> No.32607797

>>32600558
Because what merits are they supposed to point out?
>Oh she sings
Nobody cares, there are dozens of indies that can blow any corpo girl out the water. Doesn't make them a good streamer.
>She can draw
People will watch a bad artist with a nice personality.
>She's cute/mommy/good at games
Empty compliments
>She can do a skill like code or dancing
Those are actively debuffs

It's genuinely hard to shills, that's why they usually have to go for an aggressive method.

>> No.32608652

>>32558409
GTFO of this board

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>>32607797
>It's genuinely hard to shills
It's actually very easy, you just have to target people who actually watch streams, instead shitposters and bots that don't watch shit.

>> No.32608827

>>32582927
Yeah. I have no interest in the GFE. I just want to watch cute girls doing cute things without any males involved.

>> No.32608908

>corpos
>ever
i guess if youre a massive pussy too afraid to have one on one interaction with your oshi, then yeah stick with crapos. you'll be much happier grooming a one or two view though.

>> No.32608914
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Hololive streams outside of OKFAMS are worhtless and boring, stagnant content, especially for the English branches. Phase Connect remains the only small corpo I have never watched, indies are much better

>> No.32608936

>>32548076
>slandering the competition to shill your corpo
not a good look imo

>> No.32609034

They have the best hags. Show me a group or an indie hag that beats someone like Korone,Mio, Botan, etc.

>> No.32609304

>>32548076
After last year I don't get how anyone is still wasting their time with hololive.

>> No.32609378

>>32564404
big same

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