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32518425 No.32518425 [Reply] [Original]

why is she like this?

>> No.32518456

>>32518425
I agree 100%. The lore shit is the reason I never bother watching a debut.

>> No.32518469

>2view drama-baiting

>> No.32518471

Hana should buy a monkey.

>> No.32518477

Why not just be a fucking face whore streamer then?

>> No.32518503

>>32518425
she's not a vtuber, she's just an e-whore with anime avatar

>> No.32518549

Lore is absolute cringe

>> No.32518567

>>32518425
She is solely responsible for the downfall of NijiID

>> No.32518581

>>32518477
Why write lore if it never end up playing a lasting role on the streamer or their streams?
>lol i'll do vaguely related game streams for one month and then forget about it

>> No.32518590

>>32518503
This but unironically

>> No.32518622

Why does hana seem to hate and destroy her own career like why would anyone be her oshi

>> No.32518657

who?

>> No.32518667
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>>32518425
>be somekind of scholar/academic in lore
>is an absolute retard on stream
Who are they /vt/?

>> No.32518675

Depends. If you debut with lore like Niji and Holo does, its completely fine if they're flexible in how much of their lore or their character they want to put in to their streams.

If you make lore in the middle of your vtubing career, ala VShojo, its absolutely cringe. Especially when all you do is react content (Veibae)

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With her is not just lore, but everything it seems, and I really don't get vtubers that want vtubers to be like other normalass streamers and throw away the charm vtubers have, as well as all vtuber culture.

You weren't succesful as a streamer before, or even considered being one. It's thanks to the fact that vtubers became a trend that you have that place, even if you're a 2/3view, those 20 or so people watching you wouldn't be there otherwise. Some bitches are so weird.

>> No.32518733

>>32518581
Its a theme that slightly reduce self doxing if used when retelling IRL stories

>> No.32518769

>>32518456
same, if I wanna see someone delusional LARP, I just watch DND streams

>> No.32518793

>>32518471
She is in a gen full of them

>> No.32518796

>>32518581
Every single successful holo, used their lore or sticks to what became of their lore over time
Even fucking Mori the lore hater sticks to her lore in her cringy music

>> No.32518801

>>32518425
Is this the retard that basically sabotaged her own career?

>> No.32518852

>>32518801
She also probably killed any change for NijiID's to incline, now they are dead

>> No.32518859

>She also hates otakus because of the lore
https://twitter.com/HanaMacchia2/status/1566737855375765504

>> No.32518869

>>32518801
Being in Nijisanji counts are sabotaging your career

>> No.32518916

>>32518425
Holy Shit! Hana speakin facts AGAIN.
Vtuber lore, 90% of the time is over done and sucks ass.

>> No.32518917

>>32518859
Meanwhile she's a fucking weeb.

>> No.32518929

>>32518869
It didn't when she joined.

>> No.32518953

>>32518622
Isn't it a good thing, that she's open about what kind of people she doesn't want as viewers?
If that kills the rest of her career, then so be it. It's better than pretending to be something she isn't

>> No.32519004

>>32518953
At this point, it's hurting her branchmates more than it's hurting her

>> No.32519030

>>32518953
WTF BRO SOME STARVING 2VIEW INDIE COULD'VE USED THAT CORPO SLOT

>> No.32519117

>>32518456
And 90% of the time they drop their lore anyway.
That's what happens when you create stupid, over-the-top mythological bullshit.

Like look at Botan. She's a fucking house lion and a gamer. She doesn't have complicated lore, she doesn't have crazy "I come from LaLand where everyone speaks LaLandish" bullshit that forces her to permanently alter her sentence structures.

This stupid "I am the warden of creation and my job is to hold together the universe!" lore is so farfetched and usually it's always contradicting itself.

>> No.32519151

>>32519117
>I am the guardian of Civilization!"
https://streamable.com/meqd3h

>> No.32519174

>>32518425
Since when was lore a necessity?

>> No.32519250

>>32519117
>She doesn't have complicated lore, she doesn't have crazy "I come from LaLand where everyone speaks LaLandish" bullshit that forces her to permanently alter her sentence structures.
Isn't that Pekora?

>> No.32519263

>>32519174
Since people who weren't playing characters just face streamed.

>> No.32519358

>>32519151
She played two games from that compilation. I see that as successful

>> No.32519454

>>32518425

why is everyone on this thread pretending hana only said the thing on the top and ignoring the second post?

>> No.32519474

>>32519454
We know the real reason she said the second comment

>> No.32519504

>>32518953
her branch is dead because of her actions. so much for having total control of your character.

>> No.32519522

>>32519454
Because the second post is just preemtpive damage control for the first post.

>> No.32519538

>>32519454
Does that even matter when she proceeds to talk with distain about otakus right after? >>32518859

>> No.32519540

>>32519454
>>32519474
she's just following up her first tweet that loreshit isn't everyone's cup of tea, not because she's implying you can disagree with her.

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>>32519454
>writes the first tweet
>backtracks with the second
>decides to further sabotage herself

>> No.32519598

>>32519250
Are you stupid?

>> No.32519631

>>32518667
vtubers

>> No.32519647

>>32519504
That only happens when one chuuba is the entire branch

>> No.32519699 [DELETED] 

>>32518581
having a lore, even if barebone, it's kind of important to justify an aesthetic, for example without the grim reaper backstory Mori's whole death/skeleton/scythe theme would be compeltely random and awkward, like having an elf appearing without explanation in a sitcom

>> No.32519707

>>32519546
nobody likes kimoi otaku freaks anon

>> No.32519728

>>32519598
Peko?

>> No.32519757

>>32519647
Moona lifted her whole branch when she took the opportunity that arrived during that Lapis Lazuli moment. Hana killed her own potential by refusing 3D and doing those fanbase-filtering tweets, which made anykara see in their eyes that the ID branch flopped and ultimately disbanded it.

>> No.32519771

>>32518425
Hana is one of the reasons I hate Nijisanji ID. I can't think someone in NijiEN that as close as her in terms of arrogance. Anon is right that her arrogance is one of the reasons for the death of Nijisanji ID. ex-ID isn't any better than her in terms of enabling this kind of behavior.

>> No.32519797

>>32518425
Lore is like a wrestler's gimmick.

>> No.32519831

Does this irrelevant whore do anything of note anymore expect post shitty tweets that get screencapped and reposted for months every so often?

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>>32519546
that's just how Hana is, you either find her based or cringe.

>> No.32519935

>>32519757
Yeah, Hana couldn't leverage her clipper success and had the freedom to filter her fanbase. She wasn't up to the task of hard-carrying the branch.
But it wasn't supposed to be Hana's job, they all failed to make the branch worthwhile

>> No.32519947

>>32519846
She is cringe, but I would still have sex with her

>> No.32519969

>>32518705
THIS, lore is part of vtuber charm. Even a simple lore is fine, this is what makes vtuber different compare to normal streamer.

>> No.32519975

>>32518425
>i shouldn't have to care about anything and you should still give me all of your money. because reasons.
i fucking hate women so much

>> No.32520012

It's a response to this Taka tweet: https://twitter.com/Taka_Radjiman/status/1566683686979993601
Someone asked why Taka has no lore, telling him "Why don't you make it like the others?". Taka replied that it's fine, he's just an NPC. Hana's tweet doesn't come out of thin air. Do your fucking reps, people.

>> No.32520081

>>32520012
Taka's response is based, Hana was retarded.

>> No.32520102

>>32518622
Did you mean "why would she be anyone's oshi"?

>> No.32520130

>>32520012
So Taka gave a good reply that ends the discussion right there, and Hana thought she just had to let the world know about her shitty takes.

>> No.32520219

I can't believe there are vtubers who still don't understand why lore is a thing.
1. Lore gives you a deflection.
>where do you live?
I live in a city in the sky.
>where do you sleep?
In a cave.
>describe your family
They are mermaids like me
>do you own a gun?
I don't need one when I have a trident.
>why are you streaming?
So I can rebuild my group of supporters and bring the Oda clan to further heights!
2. Lore prompts interesting character designs.
See early waves of Nijisanji for further details. Hell, look at the test wave of an entire class they debuted recently. Guy protagonist is NOT an interesting character design.
Followers want to feel like a part of something. Having them be loyal footsoldiers, or dedicated husbands, or lowly pigs cements an idea of the dynamic between chuuba and audience. Understanding the appropriate distance is important for both chuuba and audience. For instance, in Watame's chat you can send a superchat threatening to kill yourself and have a group struggle session, whereas someone like Petra would have you much further away, more audience members than friends. Believe it or not, there are people like me who get weirded out when a chuuba is too close to their audience.

>> No.32520234

>>32518953
This just comes off as someone being a hater. Really no point at all bringing up this kind of opinion outside of justifying lazy/negative behavior that could have just been answered with a simple, "I don't have one"

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>>32520219
She's retarded ples andastan

>> No.32520294

>>32518425
Lore is one of the factors that differentiate VTubers and e-girl. If this is what truly believes, then so it be. But, she doesn't have to tell people that VTuber is just an e-girl with an anime avatar. That's the same as calling a lion or tiger a cat. They have their own distinction.

Her tweet about VTuber = e-girl is still up there, by the way.

>> No.32520343

>>32518425
Holy based

>> No.32520369

>>32519117
>This stupid "I am the warden of creation and my job is to hold together the universe!" lore is so farfetched and usually it's always contradicting itself.
Yeah I like lore but it's better when it's kept simple, they really went all out with the chuuni autism with Council

>> No.32520486

>>32520234
Maybe it is just her being a hater. I personally think it's just the hill she's chosen to die on.
Maybe because she wants to validate herself melting her own success, or out of jealousy over their competition Hololive thriving on the idol/popstar route.
Then again she might just genuinely hate parasocial otaku relationships and the idol culture, but who knows?

>> No.32520504

>>32520219
Holy autism

>> No.32520652

>>32519969
You don't need to be a vtuber to do lore. There are content creators out there who include lore stuff in their streams/content.

>> No.32520678

>>32520486
Lore is pointless to people who don't want to bother with, every solo debut from VSPO (the latest six) didn't bother with it at all. It's a waste of time depending on the type of content you're planning to provide.

>> No.32521062

>>32520678
Yeah, that's true but it doesn't change the fact that she's a hateful, retarded bitch.
Having a gripe about lore but makes exception to something that she would personally define as engaging or entertaining? Might as well not have said anything at all

>> No.32521371

>>32520504
>more than two lines!?
prove the anon wrong, come on

>> No.32521402

>>32518425
Hasn't been relevant in two years, dumb ethot

>> No.32521568

>>32520219
Based fellow Lore affitionado.
If you want to be a basic vtuber with no story that's perfectly fine, more power to you, but why would you go for people that do want to have fun with dumb lore shenanigans? Both thing can exist without one side attacking the other, jeez.

>> No.32521633

>>32518425
>...and wish it wasn't a necessity for vtubers to actually care.
...except it isn't? Who even said it was necessary to care for Lore when most people drop it anyways?

>> No.32521699

>>32518769
>people are having fun with their RP game
>LOL THEY'RE FUCKING DELUSIONAL, LIKE CLINICALLY INSANE
Smoothbrain moment

>> No.32521713

>>32518425
it's usually vtweeters who become vtubers, not the other way around.

>> No.32521773

>>32519846
Her fanbase seems to be mostly made up of ironic maso incels who secretly get off on the degradation.

>> No.32521825

>>32520219
Actual wrinkle-brain posting in /vt/? I think I've seen it all now

>> No.32521862

>>32518425
>>32518456
The lore has never actually mattered. It's just supposed to be a fun part of their avatar that they can use to make stream assets, backgrounds, art, or just play around with.
No one is telling any of the Holos or Nijis that they have to strictly abide by their lore or their fired. And fans generally don't care either except to tease their oshi like Pekora forgeting her "peko" gobi, Gura needing floaties to swim, or how it was illegal for Mito to have purchased her own AV parody because she's supposed to be 16. No one is getting mad over any of that.
So who is she even talking about? It seems like she's just trying to highlight a problem that doesn't even exist.

>> No.32521892

>>32521773
god I love vtubers

>> No.32521914

>>32521773
you can say redditor here

>> No.32522033

>>32519151
i've never once finished ever watching this streamable because of the undershit music

>> No.32522178

>>32518425
Vtubing is about role playing… having no background character or lore is kind of stupid. Well i guess that’s why Niji ID failed..

>> No.32522640

>>32518675
What the fuck is Veibae even supposed to be now?

>> No.32522764

>>32522640
a whore

>> No.32523005

>>32518667
Women

>> No.32523487

I like how Pomu handles lore. Ocassional streams here and there that she writes herself and don't affect that much the rest of her content.

>> No.32524174

>>32523487
and it gives her reasons to use some props like the hands in normal streams

>> No.32525624

>>32518859
i don't even see how the two are related

>> No.32525932

>>32518477
>>32518503
Vttubers are not required to have or play into lore, you dumb incel newfags.

>> No.32526220

>>32518425
based woman

>> No.32529752

>>32520219
Even more importantly, lore imposes diversity in character design.
Look at pretty much all chuuba with weak lore, they are all fucking catgirls, succubi, or have pink hair in varying combination.

>> No.32529975

>>32521862
baelz got fucked because of lore

>> No.32530007

>>32518425
Ngl I feel kinda bad with any chuubas with heavy lore or nothing at all man
Should've gone the easier route with a highschooler settings like Niji's early gen or something
but then again you don't shit on others for having a lore

>> No.32530042

>>32518917
Self hating weeb

>> No.32530091

>>32519797
The whole vtubing/acting shit is a wrestler gimmick dude

>> No.32530169

>>32530042
Good. Weebs should hate themselves.

>> No.32530289

>>32520219
'Struggle session' does not mean what you think it means.

>> No.32530426

>>32530042
And you know who else love self-hating? SEAnigs
It all make sense

>> No.32530427

>>32519546
>i hate otakus
>pls buy my acrylic stand4ydh2

>> No.32531217

>>32529975
why?

>> No.32532318

>>32518425
Is she replying to something? This tweet would make sense if some retards pestered her about lore.

>> No.32532429

>Taka gets asked why he has no lore
>This bitch makes it about herself
Even now that NijiID is dead she can't stop defiling its corpse

>> No.32532579

>>32520275
She is right and has always been. Anons wouldn't care, if she wasn't a woman. Also, always had a provocative personality and usually talks with tongue in cheek.

>> No.32532809

>>32520012
>"do your reps"
That's for shit that actually matters, thanks. Not borderline two views who's shit opinions clog up the catalog.

>> No.32535749

Mika should have been the leader of ID

>> No.32536032

>>32518859
Her true colors are quite something eh? Everyone giving shit to kronii for not much and this one shitting on everyone with serious eagerness.

>> No.32536147

>>32536032
>Everyone giving shit to kronii for not much
>this one shitting on everyone with serious eagerness.
Because she's a literal nobody, anon

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https://discord.gg/XDcCuRKQmg b

>> No.32536588

>>32536032
She used to be the sole reason her branch was even on the map and now she is literal who so she was given plenty of shit

>> No.32536803

Jesus why is Hana such a bitch? Thank god she fell off the map, I hate people that have her attitude all the time.

>> No.32536848

Hana, Vox, and Salome are the three eternal enemies of Indog schizos. They live rent free in the heads of the Indogs despite the Indogs claims that they are forgotten and irrelevant, and that only makes their successes as streamers that much better.

>> No.32536863

>>32525932
Fuck off, even Kizuna Ai has lore

>> No.32536994

>>32536848
>Indogs hate Vox
Wait how did this happen

>> No.32537640

>>32519546
>be female
>shit on and insult and hate your key audience that fund your cushy life
women
idk man, they are just such creatures

>> No.32538413

>>32518425
Lore is something to talk about during debut and maybe make the occasional joke about. If you take your lore seriously you are way too high on your own vtuber farts

>> No.32540996

>>32518929
ACCELERATE needs 1 or 2 year to show their effects just look at NijiEN

>> No.32543972

>>32521862
>It seems like she's just trying to highlight a problem that doesn't even exist.
usual for her and those like her

>> No.32544200

Reminds me when Nina was trying too hard to establish her lore. Playing "mommy" to her genmates and trying to establish a alt version of her called "Nana." I think she gave up on all that now.

>> No.32546792

>>32518425
She and Vox should have a battle to the death on top of a mountain over whether or not kayfabe is good.

>> No.32548118

>>32518503
/thread

>> No.32548787

>>32518425
You don't need an overcomplicated lore, you just need to reaffirm the idea that you're someone other than the irl you. Kizuna Ai is just an unhinged version of the person behind the avatar, but she kept claiming that she was an AI. Some of the early nijis still pretend to be living in "Virtual Tokyo"
You can even create your lore as you go along with the help of your fans

>> No.32548930

>>32520219
i agree, bottom line is lore can only help you as a vtuber but it requires creativity, consistency, and a good sense for improv to utilize
you never need to adhere to it 100%, but dismissing it outright is just wasted potential
even autistic deep lore handed down by management can pivot into cringekino
casuals will never understand because "rp = lol cringe", the same line of thinking that has filtered them from the arts for generations

>> No.32549180

>>32518425
Every tweet that I see from this stupid bitch just comes off as complete seethe. She seems to do nothing but insult others, be it either other vtubers, or the fans. Sounds about right for a failed vtuber like her.

>> No.32549567

>>32518425
Hana needs violent, degrading sex correction.
>Edit
From me.

>> No.32549794

>>32518622
She's just a shitty streamer and doesn't want to lie to people. She doesn't deserve a career and she wants to make sure she doesn't get one by misleading people. Better than Kronii

>> No.32549857

>>32518705
She's a goblin IRL, but also wholly incapable of being interesting

>> No.32550029

>>32520012
Taka who?

>> No.32550119

>>32536994
SEA hates Chinks, simple as

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>>32518705
>>32549794
>>32549180
>reads the thread
>starts backtracking

>> No.32550343

>>32518425
lore is jpfag shit, show some skin or make a nice asmr, thats all we actually need.

>> No.32550461

>>32518425
who?

>> No.32550639

>A failure that killed her own branch trying to lecture others how to be successful.
Not bright, are you, Hana?

>> No.32550798

>>32518425
>I don't care about lore
>Unless it's actually cool
What a hot take, why did you post your tweets OP, not enough engagement on twitter?

>> No.32551098

>>32529975
Her lore was that she was loud and annoying?

>> No.32551265

If you don't have lore then your lore automatically becomes "too lazy to put on makeup and too ugly without it".

>> No.32554863

>>32518425
she's right though
>>32518477
not everyone wants to show their face. all vtubers are probably ugly irl because otherwise they would facecam

>> No.32555040

>>32518425
>a who decides to forever remain a who
why care?

>> No.32555128

>>32554863
having seen all the ones that have been doxxed id say its half and half depending on your preferences.

>> No.32555152

>>32518425
Hana's annoying, but she's genuinely right for once. I hate the lore shit EN vtuber's do. She's objectively right that it's a shit thing for everybody to be expected to have one

>> No.32555273

>>32554863
You know you don't NEED a facecam to be a non-vtuber streamer
You could just stream without anything

>> No.32555605

>>32518425
The only vtubers with good lore are himehina. And they only use it for music videos

>> No.32555860

Every time I see a Hana tweet she's being a passive aggressive cunt.

>> No.32557619

>>32518425
okay but A FUCKING MONKEY

>> No.32559111

I don't understand all the seethe. She's not wrong.
Lore is irrelevant, especially stupid overblown lore that a vtuber that cannot possibly keep up with.
Holo Council is a good example, I have no idea why they went so full retard with them, like they somehow had to outdo myth.

Something like a phoenix or a shark, lovecraftian horror, you can sneak that in here or there, but how the fuck do that with like being a time god, or nature itself.

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>>32559111
it would take talent and creativity they didn't have and didn't want to put in since they just wanted to be streamers
contrary to the expectations of people who didn't watch her, Sana did very well with her kayfabe from playing Kirby to Holoscopes to Universe Sandbox to Interstellar watchalong (w/ Kronii)
dang, now I'm sad

>> No.32561536

I can't imagine getting upset over a basic opinion like this.

>> No.32563793

>>32561536
Nobody hates indos more than indos.

>> No.32564583

>>32550244
ah yes the famous lore, "Nese half America Indonesia."

>> No.32564961

>>32518425
How boring. Imagine creating some weird excuse to be fucking lazy

>> No.32565030

>>32560483
Sana is that weird case where you're perfect for something you have absolutely no interest on.

>> No.32565266

>>32518425
Didn't have the ovaries to spell "vtuber" right lest people outside her fanbase hugbox find this shit tweet.

>> No.32565288

>>32518425

She's entitled to her opinion.

I like lore, but I don't think it's necessary for a Vtuber. Sora doesn't have lore, after all, she's just a streamer.

Rie Himemiya had no lore in her debut stream: https://twitter.com/HimemiyaRie

She appeared in others' lore videos, but mostly as a cameo in Phase Connect headquarters.

>> No.32567326

>>32518425
Hana's out here grandstanding about lore and vtubing, and I'm just trying to figure out who the fuck asked.

>> No.32567823

>>32521862
>Mito to have purchased her own AV parody because she's supposed to be 16.
do i want sauce or no?

>> No.32571553

>>32518425
PEKORA FUCKING BOUGHT A MONKEY

>> No.32571814

I dont mind lore but I hate when they ignore some of their lore but accept others.

WHY THE FUCK does Kiara have an ugly ass sword and shield? She embraces the Pheonix/restaurant manager shit but completely dropped the "warrior" aspect. Its clear even she is like "Wtf this is horrible" and ignored it so I can't blame her TOO much. Although I wish she would sometimes play into her supposed warrior side at least with a song or something

>> No.32572073

>>32567823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc-So_IttBU
I'm not sure if anyone knows where the porno itself is

>> No.32572671

>>32561536
I can't imagine tanking your entire branch because you wanted to virtue signal about onlyfans whores

>> No.32572737

>>32518425
Isnt this the fucktard that was responsible for her entire branch getting killed off?

>> No.32574732

>>32530289
he probably meant "group crying session"

>> No.32576961

Based. I hated Council's lore for example so I hope EN3 tones it down.

>> No.32579352

>>32550244
>My lore is that my white, American father colonized my brown-skinned Indonesian mother
Based

>> No.32579576

Irrelevant bitch.
Should've posted that in her main account so she can get canceled. Stupid take from someone who forgot her starting point.

>> No.32580710

>>32550119
So like 80% of niggers on this board

>> No.32580977

>>32518425
>no fun allowed
>no creativity
>lack of imagination
>inability to suspend disbelief
Just face cam stream, if you're not too ugly.

>> No.32581049

>>32579352
She isn't Indo at all though. Hana is a hapa in Indonesia, right?

>> No.32584007

>>32551098
And desoite all that, turned out to be incredibly boring and dull to watch.

>> No.32588067

>>32518425
sensible.

>> No.32588368

>>32518456
Lore matters if they want to play heavily into the 'character'. It's also a great way for someone who's debutting to start building in-jokes and as something to bounce off of for newer streamers who are nervous or don't know how to interact with chat well at the start.

>> No.32589478

>>32550029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md2iBjGHvPI

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