/#/ - Numbers

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Numbers >>32228263

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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>54,023: Pekora (Hololive)
>36,151: Rion (Nijisanji)
>31,878: Miko (Hololive)
>22,846: Suisei (Hololive)
>18,732: Akina (Nijisanji)
>18,035: Reid (Neo Porte)
>17,741: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>15,650: Koyori (Hololive)
>15,128: Gura (Hololive)
>13,691: Mio (Hololive)
>12,462: Korone (Hololive)
>11,530: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>10,727: Towa (Hololive)
>10,681: Ame (Hololive)
>10,618: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>10,554: Towa (Hololive)
>10,157: Nose (VSPO)

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/#/ is reclining

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I don't think this is about male collabs moreso it is about respecting your viewers.
>Pekora asked her viewers regarding collabs with males
>general consensus from nousagi is that they prefer her not to
so Pekora never collab with males since then
>Moona collabed with males
>Moonafiq getting uppity in her chat and superchats
Moona said she won't collab with males and from my knowledge she hasn't since then.
>Kronii collabed with Vesper since she said she would
>Kronies getting uppity in chat and superchats
"Oh wow you guys are either newfags who never watched me or are incels"
That is the fucking problem. People saying she don't need to address the audience because she has done that 2 weeks ago doesn't get the point. The viewers WANT HER TO CHANGE HER POSITION like Moona did but she basically just said "fuck you I do what I want" to her viewers without spelling it out.

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https://influencermarketinghub.com/top-twitch-gamers/
Never realized how low on the foodchain xqc is in twitch soft power
I would have thought he was number 2 or 3

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>>32236292

I don't mind two PekOP but some retards will whine about that.

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>>32236292
Who are the Yonkou/4 Heavenly Kings of the current era?

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>>32236292
Pekora laffs without ceasing from her position as the colossus straddling the entire vtuber streaming industry

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>>32236432
shut up

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Some last thread ask for the proof so here it is stars are apart of en lore.
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>>32236228
Here the proof bitch. It shows that during the omega interview he need more members for his story. He making the holo pro en cinematic universe. He even asked on twitter about future manga comics for en3. It lines up with en staff goal for pushing for stars collabs. He trying to make an story holo pro is just an part of it.

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sisters need to calm the fuck down. we're only at the start of the month.

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>>32236432
This honestly.

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>>32236405
>SEPTEMBER 2022 GOLDS
1) Pekora (Hololive) - 54,023 - Rust

>PER COMPANY
1x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
1x: Pekora

>2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
152x: Hololive
82x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
3x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
31x: Pekora
16x: Aqua, Kuzuha, Salome
14x: Miko
9x: Nijisanji, Subaru
6x: Hal, Hololive, Marine
5x: Kanata, Mio, Toya
4x: Flare, Gura, Noel, Okayu, Suisei, Towa
3x: Chloe, Choco, Mayuzumi, Polka
2x: Ange, Fuwa, Ibrahim, Korone, Koyori, Lui, Maimoto, Mel, Mori, Mysta, Shion
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, AZKi, Botan, Chima, Chronoir, Debi, Gwelu, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Iroha, Kaida, Lain, Laplus, Leos, Luna, Masaru, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Natsume, Nene, Ren, Roboco, Rushia, Sana, Sango, Selen, Shiina, Sora, Sukoya, Tsukasa, Ui, Vox, Watame, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

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>>32236432
Do you have the actual statistics of how many people care? Just because a few people (even if they have been watching for a long time) think a certain way, that doesn't mean it's representative of a fanbase. Kronii just keeps fanning the flames by not shutting the fuck up.

I'm of the position that the girls can choose whatever they want, and if you're not satisfied with that you can just fuck off an watch someone else. They clearly are going with the stars stance of not initiating contact, so all the girls need to do is ignore beggars.

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>>32236494
First: you fucked up.
Second: kys crossposter.
Finally: Your proof is LITERALLY FUCKING FANFICTION. ARE YOU SERIOUS.

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>>32236473
Buggy shanks black beard Luffy
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>>32236292
>>32236339
as always kill yourself earlyfaggot

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>>32236494
kys crossposter

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>>32236494
maybe because omega is the producer in charge of lore shit?

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>>32236506
Extremely cute smug UMISEA Gura, I love sameanko

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>>32236026
Most of them only tune in for the cute voices tho, the same can't be said for Stars zatsu.

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>>32236461
Wait since when did PewDiePie stream on twitch?

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Reminder, we agreed that no more lewds after this hour.

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>>32236461
XQC is big, but he's only 'Twitch big'. He benefits a lot from the dogshit discovery that boosts big streamers and if he were banned tomorrow I doubt he would be able to beat Pekora let alone maintain the 70k audience he has. Being big on Twitch is probably less relevant than being 'kind of big' on youtube.

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>>32236473
All of holo's 1st army

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>>32236244
So much newfaggotry in the thread, I swear

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>>32236468
>caring about their feelings

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>>32236687
So Gura and who else?

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>>32236602
Hey, you never know when some new girl watching the boys could end up becoming a giga-schlicker to some Japanese ikemen voice.
I mean, they decided to do what they want anyways, so not like I'm gonna tell THEM they're stupid. But there is opportunity cost.

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>>32236544
Don't reply to this idiot, his description of what went down isn't even close to accurate but it's not worth trying to correct them.
Nothing is going to happen to Kronii's career from this, her actual fans and gachikoi are pretty satisfied with the resolution

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>>32236628
>We

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>>32236703
Nine times out of ten, it's not newfaggotry, it's just someone trying to lie to make themselves sound better.

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>>32236626
Hasn't he been banned like 20 times by now? Twitch can't just let go of one of their biggest earners.

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Youtube audience just really does not give a fuck about twitch streamers and twitch collabs do they? Nina has 5 of the bigger twitch indies plus The Ironmouse and Froot in her collab, she's the only youtube POV, and she has *maybe* 800 more people than normal. Losing to both Anya and Zeta dicking around on the Rust server after everyone else has logged off. The only twitch streamer that even moves the needle a little bit is Shoto when he collabs with Luxiem. One of them could probably collab with XQC and not even break 4k.

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>>32236405
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>>32236626
xqc will never be permanently banned even if he streamed himself jacking off

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a lot of samefagging on last thread, hopefully its now time to go sleep

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>>32236790
Pretty much. If I cared about Twitich steeamers at all, I'd be watching ON TWITCH.

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>>32236790
I mean, why would they care.
If they cared, they'd be on Twitch.

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>>32236627
he never streamed that much iirc but he did stream there sometimes

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>>32236544
People either don't care or don't want her to collab with Tempus. There are really no one from her fans that actively want her to collab with them.
> if you're not satisfied with that you can just fuck off an watch someone else
But she clearly wants them to remain by addressing the issue, homobeggar. She wanted her viewers to remain but at the same time wanted to do something they don't like. I am of the camp that no one should have their cake and eat it too. Including you, homobeggar.

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>>32236769
>>32236822
yeah no shit, but that does nothing to answer my point. My point wasn't that he would be permad tomorrow, but what would happen if he were to be perma-banned. XQC has a really small community for a streamer of his size, he has little presence off of Twitch and most people only really would know of him because he's big on twitch.

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>>32236733
Yeah I wish she listened to her manager and stopped talking about it after the initial statement, but all in all her response was pretty alright. it could have definitely been way worse.

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>>32235481
> an stars
> an holo
Why are Germans like this?

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>>32236292
>Numbers >>32228263
Why are you such a retard kamitsubakifag, it's almost cute but it is a little embarrassing
Also never fix your links copypasta because it gives it away as you and bullying you is too fun

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Is this the Pekola thread?

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>>32236891
So that graph is not that accurate. Got it.

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>>32236733
Go back to >>>/∞/

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>>32236432
nah, it's still about kronii DOESNT KNOW HOW TO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
She already made her stance clear. She OPEN to collab with tempus if someone reaches out to her. That's already a fucking clear stance. She's alright with male collab & her viewer should KNOW that's her stance.
of course there's always schizo who complains but kronii CAN CHOOSE to ignore it & don't respond just like her manager told her instead she's fucking doubling down & just ''addressing'' shit that only to fuel fire.
hell, if she wants to respond the schizo she can just say ''lol, I already told you guys a few weeks ago that i don't mind collab w/ the boys if someone reaches out to me" and be done with it.
before you call me homobeggar, fuck off, I don't give a shit about the males.

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>>32236790
nobody on youtuber cares about twitch streamers or for the twitch meta. Which is why i said that Nijien would actually be more popular in twitch than in youtuber if they actually start focusing on streaming there since their meta is more sutied to twitch than youtube.

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>>32236957
You're in the right place, friend.

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>>32236912
Then you can go find someone more to your liking in another place, anon.
Most people, most gachis even, are satisfied. If you want to continue being upset, that is your right, but it doesn't mean that you will find much in terms of agreement, even among your own cadre of people. So your options are to leave, or hollow out.

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>>32236957
It's actually the Towa thread

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>>32236473
>Gura for subs
>Pekora and Marine for CCV
Then you basically have 4 candidates for the 4th king
>Kuzuha and chinman also because of CCV
>Mori and Suisei for music
Salome is still relatively new and is declining in terms of CCV anyway. I would've said Vox because of SC but the fact that supas aren't that big of a deal nowadays ever since we got a glimpse of how much money merch actually makes kinda makes him less viable for the position plus he's not even the tops in his branch in terms of CCV anymore. Ironmouse would be the only non niji/holo that might have any claim to the 4th slot but her claim is thinner than wet toilet paper.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gArHKJnT0a4
>2k peak CCV
>1.5k average CCV
>50k views
I still don't get why anyone takes CCV seriously.

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>>32237011
Ew, get that coprophag mouth out of my sight

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>>32236724
Hang yourself ENshart

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>>32236432
Dude most Kroniifags obviously don't give a shit. Yeah a couple of members sperged out but it's not going to change anything in the grand scale and tank her numbers.
It's all up to Kronii if she thinks it's worth the hassle of having those people have a meltdown and lose some of her fans in exchange for having no real gain except being able to do collabs with Homostars.

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>>32236957
はい、野うさぎたち
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>>32236957
This is the thread where we like Pekora but don't find her attractive.

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>>32236960
for soft power, it is

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>>32236925
He'd basically be over as a streamer.
Can't do react content on youtube livestream and he's mostly relevant on LSF compared to youtube. Also Twitch policy dictates that a banned streamer can't even appear as a cameo on another Twitch stream without getting the other user banned.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQuFRSi5ebc
>200K CCV
>over 1M VOD views
Youtube niggers:
>nah it's not trendy enough
>oh look at this cover from a nijinigger though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCtUcgptAUM
>let's put that on the trending page! Let's go!
Why are they like this?

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>>32236292
Monthly /news/ roundup for August 2022
>>32140520
Top 25 ccv vtuber streams of all time
>>32144719
CLIP NUMBERS
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>>32199472
>>32200023
>>32200082
MONTHLY CHART
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>>32236292
wtf stop hinting the inevitable

gear 5 is a bunny powerup

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>>32237091
gayest post in this thread

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>>32237084
>having no real gain
Her mental health is improving for one.
She can say literally anything, but there's no mistaking that laugh

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>>32236405
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>>32237098
holy shit those views are terrible for that sub count. The saving grace is that I guess they're making money by quantity over quality.

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>>32237017
Yes you are correct but you are not saying much. It is like saying, well you can just go to the other restaurant if you think their food is getting worse. People are criticizing the food because they want the restaurant to do better. You are here to disperse those criticism because you want Kronii to lose viewers.

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>>32236473
>Gura for sheer exposure
>group "Sankisei" into a single slot as a pure power unit
>KING as a powerhouse solo for Niji
>Mirai Akari, because she's the only one still alive of the original to my knowledge, and retains title by fiat

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>>32237114
>stream vs premiere
anon...

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>>32237179
It was improving a while back, anon, if you watch her you'd have known that. I understand that you don't, but still.

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>>32237091
Based
>>32237180
Unbased

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>>32237091
wrong

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>>32237009
Some of them do stream on twitch, they get ok results but the vtuber audience on twitch is just not that big. 1k is considered mid-tier and even shitters like Reimu can get that on Youtube.

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>>32237084
The main reason why she addressed it in that way after the fact is because her favorite gachis didn't like it (/inf/ refer to them as people on the spreadsheet and even the kronii discord is afraid of banning those people). That K1 guy that voiced his displeasure was literally #1 on the spreadsheet and the Gabe guy is apparently high up on the list as well.

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i think this whole kronii thing makes me think Cover should invest on training talent about social media & how to handle/control themselves about antis, schizo fans, drama, etc.
they really SHOULD so there will be no Rushia 2.0.
i really baffled what the hell Kronii doing making such comment in that clip video from fans. Cover should stop hiring unstable menhera

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>>32237060
Heavy overlap will suppress CCV since you only count for one stream, but you can count towards multiple VODs if you have them all up at once.

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is reposting the exact same pekora lewds over and over again really that interesting?

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>le JP vs EN timeloop
>le holo vs holo timeloop
>ENshart
>nouSEAgi
>35pagpag
Be prepared to see a lot of this shit for a while.

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>>32237114
Trending gets affected by the average video views of the channel, and the Hololive main channel gets 1M views on videos like Hologra all the time so it's not that special.

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>>32237307
we're out of lewds anon

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>>32236986
>kronii DOESNT KNOW HOW TO SHUT THE FUCK UP
>She already made her stance clear.
Yes I agree to both. And my point that she did the respond is because she wanted to keep the unicorn viewers AND collab with Tempus in the future.

>if she wants to respond the schizo she can just say ''lol, I already told you guys a few weeks ago that i don't mind collab w/ the boys if someone reaches out to me" and be done with it.
Exactly. She was not trying to respond to the haters. She was responding to her fans. "You are either a newfag or an incels" is a clear way for her to tell her viewers to toe the line.

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>>32237269
>Some of them do stream on twitch
But not that much. I actually think that if they focus on twitch they could be the biggest vtuber group there and might even dethrone isegye and vshojo

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>>32237245
remind me nigger
was koshien a stream
or a premiere?

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>>32237197
You missed the most important part of my point: That even the people in the relative extremes are satisfied, and that only a scant few people are in agreement with you.
If you want to do the "food analogy" bit, then I'll make it clear in those terms: You want to complain that the food is shit, so that the restaurant stays strong and fixes it. But to the majority of people in the restaurant, including the normally snobby critics, they find no fault in the food. Your tastebuds are out of alignment with not just the normal crowd, but the picky crowd as well.

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>>32237197
You just don't like one of their new menu items and are making a fuss about it

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>>32237300
I mean apparently she got advice from her manager but decided to just ignore it. At least some training would definitely be helpful, true.

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>>32237252
Don't get coy with me unicuck, I know her mental health is steadily improving ever since she moved out of her old place.
Seethe and cope all you want, you'll never be able to make her laugh like that, not even mooms could.

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>>32237300
>Cover should stop hiring unstable menhera
And remove the spice? But the social media training i fully agree with, or give the girls manager the ability to temporarily seize the account whenever the menhera steps way out of line.

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>>32237300
I disagree. I think they should purposely give underperforming talents who get into drama bad advice on purpose. You know, as a joke.

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>>32237335
that sounds retarded

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>>32237245
yeah?
and?

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>>32237277
Thank you for pointing this out, or else people are just going to parrot the talking point that "oh it is only schizo who hate her collab with males".

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>>32237197
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>>32237369
>Food analogies

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>>32237197
So you're being a Karen because you don't like their fries even though the other menu is still up to your taste

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>>32237307
Massive supply chain issues and shortages... The demand is just way too high. we're going to have runaway pekora lewd inflation this winter, the entire lewds economy is fucked.

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>>32237347
if there's nothing fresh then chill and let the thread breathe a bit

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>>32237153
bearded pekora, not sexy

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>>32237401
Well, I suppose neither me, nor Mumei have access to her audio equipment, so neither of us can make her laugh so loudly the way her microphone settings made her, that much is true.
Again, you'd know about this stuff if you watched her, but I understand that you don't.

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>>32237358
anon everyone knows that konami is one of the companies in bed with yt

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>>32237197
SOME people are criticizing the food, while most are still enjoying it. Maybe those few people should find a restaurant that better suits their taste. There's actually a company that recently debuted a new gen that should fit your tastes, anon!

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>>32237307
All of my shit are not repost fck off

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>>32236432
Fuck off with that stuff. It was clearly about males and if you don’t think that you’re blind. Also, the idea of “being respectful to your audience” here is appalling.

1. The collab wasn’t on her channel. She didn’t even have a schedule out while this collab went down.
2. The collab was not her idea. Mori has been pretty open so far that she’s the one who’s organized the collabs.
3. She did not do one single thing in that collab that personally disrespects her fans or audience. This is NOT like Ina in the past, who on Mori’s channel DID disrespect her own audience by essentially implying they were losers.
4. There is literally nothing wrong with collabing with a male, especially one that’s in your own company and has already been vetted and spoken to before even streaming.
5. The piece that’s most important of all: She flat out told her community that she would be okay collabing with the males, though she won’t actively seek it out. The fans KNEW she was perfectly okay with it, weeks before it ever happened.

Knowing all of that, it’s not Kronii’s fault or issue that her own fans sought out the stream and got offended by it. It wasn’t HER content. She didn’t force it on anyone and did not even tell a single soul to come watch. The most she did was retweet the stream, and what does that do? Spawn a fucking wall of parasocial fucks who went hard on her for the collab because they want CGDCT, without any consideration of every piece of context laid out prior to this. They only gave a fuck about what THEY felt and what was that? Being offended because she had fun with a male in the collab. “Respecting your audience” gets thrown out the fucking window here because she took every step correctly that WOULDN’T warrant backlash, it was her fans that reached for it and made it problematic for her. And for what? To dehumanize the boys who do solo streams 10 times a week, collab only amongst themselves 99% of the time and actively tell people not to make the girls uncomfortable? All that we’ve gotten out of this now are people even more cautious about the boys and talents who don’t want to lose a portion of their fans out of fear of retaliation

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>>32237300
How about just stop collabing with males and be done with it?

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>>32237429
you are replying to a nijinigger.
obviously they don't know what they are talking about but will defend their whores at any cost

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>>32237300
More like stop hiring retards. If she's been active through Mori's yab AND Rushia's yab AND management told her to ignore it and she till fucked up she's just a lost cause

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>>32237368
Man, for the longest time I thought Kronii is the kind that gets emotional but not attached to parasocial stuffs since this sort of behavior is more along Mori's. When she starts posting these I get flashbanged (no typo) to when Mori starting replying to the dumb cuckbeat fanarts. These girls have some dumb fuking mindset, similar to Iofi (which is dumb I agree) paying attention to antis during the Among Us collab ages ago with Gura. They should really learn from Gura to just ignore.

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>>32237470
Just because they're her top paypigs doesn't mean they're not schizos, retard.
Or should I say Gabe?

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>>32237525
Especially if he likes chicken burgers

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>>32237360
>>32237277
only problem is that those people who dont want the food are your biggest paying customers

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>>32237357
Yeah if they dumped all 26 people on twitch they'd be larger than either of those groups (10 and 6 people respectively) but I'm not sure that would be worthwhile for them, especially since the rest of their company is mostly on youtube and they would still have to abide by Japanese content permissions despite being on twitch.

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>>32237360
>But to the majority of people in the restaurant, including the normally snobby critics, they find no fault in the food
That is categorically false if you are trying to do an analogy for Kronii's situation. Her usual gachis are not happy with it >>32237277

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>>32237515
>konami
just say anycolor
but at least they should make it less fucking obvious

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>>32236954
Holy cringe

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>>32237277
Yeah, half the reason why Kroniis are as insane as they are is because Kronii has obvious favorites who she tends to call out and listen to more often. Iirc Gabe even met up with Kronii at the meet and greet, which puts a face on his and makes it harder for Kronii to go full Ame on him.

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>>32237593
>>32237602
You vastly overestimate the value that they bring.
A gachi that can't even donate a Red most of the time is hardly a gachi at all, especially in Kronii's case.

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>>32237307
I wasted an hour and a half before the tally got posted by diving into my 2021/2020 folders, the fuck you are on about? I posted many that were never posted in this thread( and I know that much, I posted like 40% of her lewds since the lewdposting got implemented).
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>>32237514
>b-b-but her audio setting
Holy shit kronies are a fucking joke of a fanbase.
Even saplings are stronger than you fags.

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>>32237613
anycolor and cover are literal who's anon
yt wont and dont care about their chump change

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>>32237595
Plus twitch is reclining anyway. Would you move to a smaller pond, just because you can be the biggest fish there?

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>>32237669
>Off model

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>>32237478
Just commission more peko lewds. Do it for /#/

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>>32236432
Not your property

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Nigga there's like 5 kroni threads out there! Bring that shit over there ffs

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>>32237677
I don't need to be stronger, anon.
I just need to win.
And well? Guess that strategy pays off. Since that's what I already did when she responded, while you're over here, doing this.

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HOLY FUCK THIS ISNT /INF/ OR CATALOGUE NOBODY CARES ABOUT KRONII DRAMA FUCK OFF REEEEEEEEEE

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>>32237535
>point 1,2,3,5
The collab happened, her audiences can't turn back time (heh). What they wanted is for her to never do this again.
>point 4
That is literally what her gachis don't want her to do. And my point is that she is dissing her own fans not her antis.

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>>32237673
You're being retarded and don't know Kronii's attitude towards her fanbase at all.
They don't donate akas because they found out that Kronii will ALWAYS read their donations regardless of the amount. That's the entire point of the spreadsheet, to identify who is her favorites.

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>>32237732
See you on her next stars collab then

[Anonymous No.]

hey guys wrong thread i think

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>>32237542
I'm literally quoting google about how YT trending works.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7239739
Insult the pajeets working at google not me.

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>>32237669

[Anonymous No.]

>P-Pekora is not sexy
Thanks for all the pics

[Anonymous No.]

You guys find it funny how that retard getting their shit shoved in seemed to just attract MORE retards, instead of the other way around?

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>timelooping the Kronii stuff in /#/

Can't you do this on one of the drama threads, infinity, or even global?

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>>32237588
>>32237673
Do you understand how much top 1% of gachis brought to the chuubas in terms of SCs?

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>>32237803
They can't do it in Global because they get banned there.

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>>32237740
She didn't diss her fans. She told tourists to fuck off and told her gachis they were courageous for sharing their opinions.

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>>32237802
I guess they're bored.

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>>32237803
how are we supposed to pretend that the drama matters if we don't post about it 24/7 in every fucking thread?

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>>32237817
>trying to fucking Superchat cope
>in fucking /#/
Well now I just KNOW that you're not from here.

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>>32237593
Tbh she can afford to lose them and it'd barely dent her income. She just... idk how to say... seem like she appreciate their support and want to reach a compromise with them. It'd seem like she did, those who don't like male collab saw her having fun collabing with Star and afraid it'd be a more frequent thing, she reassure them that it'd not be the case. And that's where she should've shut up though.

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>>32237307
No but that's the best we can do for winter.

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>>32237687
Cover and Anycolor are the biggest streamers on Youtube that aren't crypto channels, Muslim calls to prayer, and bollywood music, aren't they? Doesn't seem particularly close either.
I wouldn't call that a literal who from the perspective of Youtube's streaming department, although they clearly want to change that status quo

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>>32237791

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>>32237739
So let me get this straight, they're a fucking CHEAPASS paypigs that doesn't bother to akasupa because the would rather not support her? And just want her attention?
WITH A FUCKING CHEAP SC?
Just kys faggot, even deadbraps are manlier than you

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>>32237838
>get banned for discussing holos
Mods ban people who timeloop in hlgg?

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>>32237869
anon they're just tourists that want to hatepost about Kronii. Same as the moriposters. Same as Watson posters. Same as...

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>>32237738
The faithful will be rewarded in late September/early October.

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>>32237841
Literally the opposite lmao

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If nothing else, this whole episode (not a full debacle yet but still), will more than likely discourage both the Homos and girls from collabing with each other except for Mori because her haters live rent free in her head and "owning" them is literally her only driving force, and Bae because she's always been a starsfag and has made that known since forever. Mori, as much as I dislike her, isn't callous enough to do this to any of the other girls. Remember, this is legit the first major blow-up from an official Hololive x stars collab that wasn't about Mori or Bae. Not to mention that Gura, who is probably the one who holds the most passive sway in EN, has not even acknowledged the existence of Tempus. As long as the shark refuses to acknowledge the dudes than most of the current and future EN talents will too. I don't even think that the bois themselves would be too keen on collabs either after this whole thing.

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>>32237738
the gura killer of wave 7

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>>32237817
Do you understand that her SCs are a drop in the ocean compared to her merch sales figure?
>inb4 "durrr only her gachis buy her merch" cope

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>>32237912

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>>32237790
so that really is retarded

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>>32237738
Soon

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>>32237905
>Cover and Anycolor are the biggest streamers
being the biggest streamers dont mean shit if they die without youtube while youtube would be fine without them
cover and anycolor dont have enough soft power or influence to be able to bribe yt or make yt care about them

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>>32237923
Occasionally, but they tend to shoot into fucking overdrive if anyone tries to do Stars/Live timeloops.
It's obviously dependent on if someone's even there do DO IT, but if there is, they tend to, yeah.

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>check kawaii girls streamlab
>couple 1k donos already
who are these people

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>>32237869
You do realize that I never said "income" but "SCs" right?

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>>32237803
Eh post something more to discuss during dead hours then, we're fucking out of peko lewds.
Anyone wanna dig up whatever the fuck Vox was doing? Might be more interesting.

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>>32237954
I'm kinda dumbfounded by Nowa always accepting collabs despite being the only one professing to watching LL

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>>32237954
Mori needs people to keep hating her because most of the songs she writes are about owning the haters.

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>>32237988
Neither Cover or Anycolor would die if kicked off Youtube, although it would certainly be extremely painful.

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>>32238006
The same people that donate 5k to tree rat I guess, I think they get off to that

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>>32238044
He just wants friends...

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>>32238006
She got those 2 today. Baited by asking for and ASMR mic fund or something like that

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>>32238029
What value do you think spachas bring that can't be listed as "income," anon?

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>>32237987
>they tend to shoot into fucking overdrive if anyone tries to do Stars/Live timeloops
So a homobeggars got the janny position or something?

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>>32237975

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>>32236405
>>32237676

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>>32237953
Retard who didn't even watch the stream. She said the new faces were the people shipping her. She literally called Gabe courageous idiot. I kept it as simple as possible so you had the chance to ignore but now you're just displaying your faggotry in full

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>>32237974
yes only gachis buy her merch, you really think normalfags are spending hundreds of dollars on plastic anime shit?

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>>32238053
>Neither Cover or Anycolor would die if kicked off Youtube
they actually would but slowly

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Have we talked yet about how a bunch of HoloENs are doing member's wallpapers now? Gura started last month, and I just got pinged from Ame and Kiara. I don't have other memberships, are the other girls doing it?
New initiative from management?

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>>32238102
anon single people don't make up merch revenue. We're not talking about Stars here.

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>>32238071
sly whores

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>>32238082
No, anon, discussing Stars in global AT ALL is seen as begging, and is shot on sight if there's a meido/janitor around to do it.
Whether you like OR hate them, you tend to get shot. As it should be.

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>>32238046
Isn't owning your haters the best thing in the world?

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>>32238085

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>>32237687
so why do they put nijisanji streams on trending all the time even though they dont make numbers? and when holo streams make numbers they dont?

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>>32238117
I have to assume so, because I've noticed the same.

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>>32238006
is the orange /m/ girl doing well?

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>>32238136
My wife didn't bait that hard yet, all she has is one dude that gave her ~$400

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>>32237954
Maybe thats the reason why Nowa was scared about mentioning sharks name cause if this much drama was caused by kronii he knows it will be much worse with shark

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>>32238117
despite what /vt/ says, Myth are friends and probably share a lot of what they're doing with each other. It's more likely just that one of them does something and the others follow.

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>>32238136
Anon they're fighting for their lives over there, I respect the grind.

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Why can't Homobeggar can't be contented with just the girl collab with Tawa, she's like 90% male, which is more than 90% of the Star.

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>>32238044
He's a pushover. You can probably bully him to suck your dick.

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* EN BLEEDOUT TALLY DEBUT *

We hear all the time about retention, peaking out early and failing to keep a raid or funnel, but has an anon ever tried to compile it all in one place?

You didn't ask for it, but here it is starting fresh in September, with all the methodology up front:

What goes in a day's tally: every HoloEN, NijiEN, and StarsEN stream that starts before 23:59 JST and reaches a CCV peak of 5,000 or higher at some point in the stream, sorry ID, maybe if someone helpful has a way of automating the process I'll add you

How is "Bleedout" determined?

Take the peak CCV within the first 90 minutes of the stream and compare it with the highest CCV within 5 minutes of time when the stream's primary content ends (chuubas who take a while to wrap up or read SCs are less punished)
If the tally order is mismatched with peak 90 min CCV the 90 minutes peak is noted in [BRACKETS] before the bleedout number

Zs and Kon Kons are excluded from analysis

The tally will still be ordered like the cripple tally, but attention will be given to extraordinary absolute # and relative # bleedouts

Medals are given to the three highest absolute bleedouts of the day, let's see who is the best and worst at keeping their peaks in EN

09-01-23

15,128 Gura HoloEN [14893] (14368 / 525)
11,530 Mysta NijiEN (10134 / 1396)
10,667 Ame HoloEN [10312] (5686 / 4626) **stream ran almost 7 hours, past 1 am for all NA timezones**
8,986 Mysta NijiEN (7870 / 1116)
8,886 Ame HoloEN (8621 / 265)
8,680 Bae HoloEN [3700] (7015 / -3315) **received 2 funnels / action buffs around 2 hours in**
8,595 Ina HoloEN (7245 / 1250)
6,897 Shu NijiEN [5811][6897] (6684 / -873) **stream grew from first 90 mins**
7,689 Vox NijiEN (5864 / 1825)
7,453 Selen NijiEN [5446][7453] (6201 / 1252) **both peaks were achieved via raid and bled 1000+ each**
6,794 IRyS HoloEN [6187] (6008 / 179)
6,628 Ame HoloEN (6009 / 619)
5,268 Magni StarsEN [4925] (5268 / -343)
5,128 Ike NijiEN (3439 / 1689)
5,024 Alban NijiEN (3190 / 1834)

1st- Ame HoloEN 4626
2nd- Alban NijiEN 1834
3rd- Vox NijiEN 1825
4th- Ike NijiEN 1689
5th- Mysta NijiEN 1396

may implement a scoring system at some future point

Retention / growth mentions:
Bae -3315 funnels and fanbase/timezone match
Shu -873 endurance until goal completed, peak on completion and congratulations (presumably)
Magni -343 horror stream that ramped to its conclusion, no significant outside funnels gained

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>>32238117
I'm pretty sure Kiara started doing it a few months back because she wanted to offer something more tangible and exclusive for people who have been around for a while and around specific times.

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>>32238117
Is that a JP thing? If so then they might be trying to copy a strategy that works well for the JP. If not then may be a new initiative, but why wallpapers lol, that is so low effort.

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>>32238053
Anon, they would die by thousand cut if they ever returned to NND. Like it or not, YT is the superior choice today, and likely forever unless some codemonkey managed to make a better a website in the future

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>>32237790
thank you for proving my point then
that summer live did better than most other videos
on holo official channel so it should be on trending. check mate nijinigger

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>>32238091
How is that not another way of saying "you are either a bunch of newfags or incels if you don't like it"?

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>>32238168

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>>32238136
I'm not gonna judge a girl for turning tricks on the corner when the only other option is the streets, and God knows those high 2view/low 3views are hovering on the border.

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>>32238181
because nijisanji usually does shit numbers and youtube designed it that way
>>32237790

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>>32238226
honestly at first I was going to type MUCHO TEXTO but not a horrible idea.

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>>32236405
>>32238092
Kawaisopeko.jpg

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>>32238102
Yes anon, her low 3-digits gachis are the one that bought her merchs, all thousands of them.

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>>32238273
but they put it even when it doesnt do good numbers retard
also they put vids from popular youtubers and musician all the time there who do get numbers all the time as well.

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>>32238259

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>>32238233
The JPs do it, yes, common member's benefit over there.
As for the effort part: It's just a little extra bonus, cheap in the scheme of things (how much do these commissions cost? $1k?) and shows your members you care and gives them a little jolt of dopamine. Probably increases retention.

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>>32238255
NTA but pretty sure she call out newfag cuz they were either shipping her with the Star or shitting on her usual.

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>>32236473
OFFICIAL /#/ ONE PIECE VTUBER YONKO:
>Luffy: Gura
>Blackbeard: Mysta
>Shanks: Pekora
>Buggy: Kuzuha

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>>32238233
Wallpapers are nice, they're also an opportunity to send a short message to the members, something my previous oshi has done only once in a year

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>>32236292
I cant even do basic math and i still like numners

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>>32238226
Too long, didn’t read but didn’t even need to read to know it’s done to favor some chuuba of your preference that gets hurt for some reason.

Given that Ame got first for some retarded reason I’ll chalk this one up as
>Teammate cope tally

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>>32237954
Not to mention that Kronii fucking already said she was down for collabs lmao
Even after that she still goes through this? No way in hell the other girls want the same thing and as much as Bae likes the stars I don't think she wants to put the other girls in this position.
It pretty much comes down to how much Mori wants to bug Kronii/Bae/maaaaaybe Ame now

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>>32238254
anon check the other vids on that niji channel
the performance between that and the previous ones are as different as night and day since it usually gets shit views
its also the reason why kpop stans boost anything that is related to their idols since doing reps on their usual vidds wont get it in trending since it already gets great views

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WAH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrFKiKm-gxQ

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>>32238203
It's hard to justify name dropping Gura when she refuses to acknowledge your branch's existence.

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>>32238083
I didn't imply any of that. I am just asking whether "you understand how much top 1% of gachis brought to the chuubas in terms of SCs" because the original poster think losing top 2-3 SC contributors won't do harm to overall SCs.

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>>32238222
Nowa always packing heat anon, you best be careful with him.

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>>32238350

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>>32238193
with 2 1k donos today and 8 more donos between 50-200 dollars. I think shes doing fine.

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>>32238044
I mean, senpai's inviting you to your first group collab. You gonna be rude and refuse?
I also think he expected the girls to refuse if they weren't interested. He'll probably get a qrd on female psychology after this debacle.

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>>32237738
Now that Ryeschizo is reminding me. Isn't there a week of September that is completely empty, perfectly for a debut week?

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>>32238373
/#/ in a nutshell

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>>32238149
based

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>>32238342
>>32238388

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>>32236405
>>32238306

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>>32238226
It's interesting, but a bit complicated with ordering and also seems like a fucking INTENSIVE labor effort compared to most tally posts, since you need to be actively checking every stream for content deviations.
But hey, if you wanna try it. Just, try and format it in a way that makes more sense to someone scrolling. Maybe just order it in terms of Bleedout, regardless of how it shows on the main tally? That's the only thing that's being measured, so may as well.

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[Anonymous No.]

uuuUUUuuuUUuuUuUuuuUuuu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxkdFMre7AE

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>>32238382
I'm only a thread reader but did she really said that she's not gonna stream ever if she collab with Star? Cuz she only want girl on her channel?

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>>32238413

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>>32238395
Actually I was wondering what other people thought about this: Do you think they interact on discord, and the ignoring is only their public stance? Or are they separated even internally?

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>>32238371
>>32238353
OK, sounds good, but seem to be an indicator of losing members if that is needed to keep retention. Not saying it is a bad thing, just saying that might be a sign since they dont do this before, I supposed (not a member).

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>>32238326
>her low 3-digits gachis
lol
lmao

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>>32238382
Ame only wants Shien's massive schlong and no one else.

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>>32237954
I actually see this more as StarsEn open to collabing more on the ID side than on the EN side due to less drama

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>>32238376
anon-chama... being first is a bad thing here....

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>>32238433
We would have heard something by now if EN3 was even on the table. It's time to let it go. There will never be another gen.

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>>32238471
I definitely need some help transferring the spacing from notepad to the actual post window, so I'll have to look that up

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>>32238394
>>32238485
end thineselves

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>>32238500
Yes, on her last campfire stream. Forgot the exact minutes tho

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>>32237540
if they want to collab with males & KNOW the consequences (losing gachi, getting antis,etc) & doesn't back down from it, like Mori (i know what this board opinion on Mori but at least she's consistent with her stance & didnt back down, even if its to ''own'' the haters) & Bae for example. that's fine, in fact i respect it.
the problem with male collab is the girl doing it yet THEY DONT ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES, even worse flip-flop their stance or pussied out after their gachi is angry, making them look like fucking fool. it's like they want to have cakes & eat it too. Even worse, they collab with males just want to ''own'' their ''parasocial-incel'' fans instead, genuinely wanted to make interesting content with the boys. they should learn from their JP senpai who collab w/ males, they knew the risk, knew what direction they headed for their brand, they know what type of audience they want to cultivate (this is important).
tl;dr dont collab with males if they can't accept the consequences

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>>32236405
>>32238462

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>>32238526
she wants to watch Shien make love to another Shien tier fujo design bro

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>>32238433
Later in the month, but yes, there's one week if they want to slot something in there.
I feel like October is still better if you wanna give people time to recover their funds, and also get charged up for the End-Of-Year Funds that tend to come in JP and NA, like bonuses and the like. But still. It's got a slot without notable events.

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>>32236473

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>>32238503

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>>32238046
Mori honestly disappoints me. Suisei is no less vindictive than her. Comet has said before that one of the things that drives her to succeed is so that she can rub it on the faces of all those suits that said she couldn't make it as an idol. She's a self professed egotist and has bragged about being a Karen towards staff when some shit in the last HoloFes wasn't meeting her standards. And yet she's loved by most of the fanbase and is a 1st army Holo while Mori is unironically reclining. Yeah, I know that last part makes me sound like a nijinig but as someone who liked some of her early works, both as Mori and on her RM, most of the music that she pumps out nowadays feel soulless. I don't know how to describe it. Her earlier music feels like its from an underdog trying to punch up while most of her output now feels like its from a thot trying to punch down(?)

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>>32238536
Why do you collab beggars think collab is everything? Why can't they just focus on their solo content since your Uncle Nowa thinks everyone should live and die by that?

[Anonymous No.]

is there an aggregator for upcoming events?

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>>32238526
can you blame her?

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>>32238511
3 discords
1 for females
1 for males
1 for the branch

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>>32238525
Proof next thread?

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>>32238608
>without notable events.
nijiFes.............

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>>32238382
Kronii went one step further (slightly) and said she won't interact with them on twitter anymore (she interacted with Nowa on Twitter).
>>32238500
She said she will never stream her PoV during a stars collab and she will never initiate the collab as well. I think the reasoning was what you implied, some people don't want to see male content on her channel.

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>>32236405
>>32238598

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>>32238633
Honestly can't. Bossu is too god for this world.

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>>32238592
>he problem with male collab is the girl doing it yet THEY DONT ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES
Yes. That is exactly my point. This is the reason I still watch Bae despite collabing with stars. After Kronii gave her "speech" I just feel disappointed in her.

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>>32238639
branch discord was probably where Kronii got contact with Vesper for the tech support stuff that made her open up to the stars.

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>>32238649
you're the one who first pulled a number from your ass with no proof, burden is on you

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>>32238614

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>>32238620
not even a beggar anon but looking at their vod and clip views id say management wants them to collab in order to expand their audience more

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>>32238403
Uncle Nowa x Hickock45 collab when

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>>32236405
>>32238701

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>>32238226
Interesting stat and methodology. I don't really care about making a tally out of it in particular though, more interested in monitoring the retention itself.

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>>32238511
Pretty sure they have their separate DC server based on what has been leak. Like ID have their own based on Kobo leak. About off stream interaction though. I think it'd be the same for those who push for collab and those who ignore the other branch. Talking frequently off stream and then proceed to ignore each others on stream is a pretty hard thing to do.

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>>32238615
Well obviously because she is at the top now so she can only punch down unlike when she was starting up.

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>>32238747

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>>32238748
Then do it with nijiEN instead. Millie and Scarle seems to want their dicks.

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>>32238725
Just because Kronii got thousands members don't mean they're all gachis retard. Most of them just want to show support.
Gachis are already a niche within a niche subculture, and if you think that gachis make the majority of any holomen fanbase then you should lurk moar

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>>32238639
More than that, actually.
>Branch discord (probably purely work related shit like tech support, manager pings for Hololive-wide topics, sponsorships, etc)
>Tempus discord (technically also just the guy's discord for now, probably more social and collab organizing/hosting audio)
>Girl's discord(same role as above but for the girls)
>Myth discord (confirmed from old screen leaks)
>Council discord (confirmed by Council members to be an exclusive thing)
>a fucking Hope discord (probably near-useless since Council discord was confirmed by them talking about how they demanded to have IRyS be put in their discord as well)

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>>32238776
fuck that
Nowa X Steve1989MREInfo collab when

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Reminder that you should NOT celebrate a single Pekora victory until she provides proof of life for this little guy.

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>>32238511
probably separate for male/female 1 for the whole branch and a few servers for the ones that are close to each other

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>>32238844

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>>32236405
>>32238784

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>>32238889
>HOPE discord
LMAO

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>>32238452
kek

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>>32238896
justice for jiru-kun

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>>32238889
>Hope discord
But why

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>>32238878
Why are you so insistent on limiting their freedom? You're not their parents, faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>32238896
rip lil nigga

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>>32238953
For IRyS and her 5 managers

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Q

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>>32236405
>>32238925

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>>32238878
because its easier to get an inter company collab than a cross company one? especially when nijien is blocking collabs due to chinese pressure

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>>32238878
take it up with Mori and Bae retard, the stars cant initiate.

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>>32238917

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>>32238896
I miss him

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>>32238958
I am not anyone's parent but I can order a waiter to get me some water as I wish.

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>>32238896
Jill is sandwhiched already anon, let it go.
I won't forgive Goro, that damn cat has a hand in Jill death

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>>32238896
It's too late

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>>32239022
The livers themselves are blocking holoEN as they hold personal grudge.

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>>32239038
Your analogy needs more work retard

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>>32236405
>>32239010

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>>32238889
Hope... I just... Well DC is more than just a chatting place with other girls so i can understand separated DC existent but shit is still just sad.

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>>32238878
Funny how you say this but all the collabs were female initiated (we have confirmation for the mori collabs at least, but probably the others as well). Maybe the girls shouldn't be so horny.

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>>32236432
Kill yourself.

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>>32238615
in one of her recent streams mori has mentioend that shes been asking her sony music producers to make more main stream kind of music to appeal to the masses, and with that she lost her soul + didnt reach the masses

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>>32238889
>Hope discord
Never not funny

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>>32238953
>>32238995
probably more like "VsingersEN"

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>>32239099
kys nijinig

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>>32238931
Imagine the despair in HOPE discord if both Council and Myth refused to let IRyS join their Discord at the beginning...

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>>32238953
>>32239099
From how IRyS and Council described it, that place was:
>IRyS
>IRyS' personal manager
>Omega
I don't think IRyS would've survived if Bae and Fauna hadn't fucking demanded that they fucking end that shit and put her in the Council group as well, God knows I wouldn't want to be stuck in a room with fucking Omega all day.

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>>32236405
>>32239095

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>>32239181
It was only Bae, don't bring Fauna into this

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>>32239155
Yeah for all the talented singers in the EN utaite community desperate to get the kiss of death instead of being a normal Holo

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>>32239130
>all the collabs were female initiated
This is mostly confirm for Holo though? Do we have any confirmation about other company?

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>>32238896
gonna be honest, I understand why Pekora wanted him. very cute.

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>>32238388
you didnt answer my question nijinigger
why wasnt holosummer on trending??

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>>32238896
the monke is gone, its time to let go anon..

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>>32239132
It's UMG, not Sony. Also they want more C-boy (they don't want her to call him C-man) in her songs.

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>>32239221
I bet a talented one with some drive could have done better with the opportunity

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https://youtu.be/xRMIFwhveeU?t=1700
> there's a literal number that you can pay attention to
> like the score in a video game
> high score = you're being extra funny, low score = you're not very funny.
> there's a lot of min-maxing, overlaps and meta shit relating to streams to increase numbers - it's exhausting.
> can't ignore the numbers because he stresses about it too much.
> "If I'm ignoring bad things, I'm giving myself more problems" is what I think.
> Industry is cutthroat (immediately rephrases).
> "Around April, I was the top dog for a bit. We were growing faster than everyone else."
> "We're still doing well, but not quite as well as we were."
> just being there once makes you want to do it again. "It happened. Go and get it back" - hence pressure.
Jeez this guy really is a numberfag at his core.

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>>32239169
Lost?

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>>32239181
So that's why he has been fucking her releases up...

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>>32239225
I'm only talking about stars-holo collabs, of course. Never heard of a policy for ouside collabs.

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>>32236405
>>32239185

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>>32239247
check the vids views on that niji channel now check the vids views on the holo channel
notice how the niji one has low views until that one while holo channel always has big views

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>>32238388
that's a retarded argument if i ever seen one.
they constantly put niji shit on trending from different channels. it doesnt matter if they get views on previous vids or not. you stupid nijinigger.

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>>32236432
>Pekora
You should already know by now that Pekora is mega autist with male, she even put Aqua to shame with how much autist she is.

>Moona
You mean that one moonafiq that got jeered out of the fandom? The one that got caught ordering some poor indog kid to deface Ollie QR code because he thinks Ollie is responsible for Moona "decline"?

>Kronii
>You are here

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>>32239221
why are we pretending that Irys is in a bad spot that nobody would want? give 100 EN utaite the chance to be "Hope 2" and all of them would say yes

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>>32239283
Damn I know that feeling too Vox but maybe you shouldn't spell it out to all your viewers?

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>>32239221
You guys keep saying "kiss of death" and "failure branch" but like, doesn't she keep showing up in, or right up against, the Top 10 for most of the statistics we track here? Average CCV, Median CCV, Peak CCV, Superchats, all that jazz? Hell, even the merch sells decently, if not as much as the top girls for Council, and shit like live events have been packed for her so far, too.
So what's the "kiss of death" idea about? Is it literally just
>"Her model looks like shit and it's taking a while to change it, so she must be a failure"
?

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>>32239283
Wonder what happened in april that slowed down the growth? Was the reimu one?

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>>32238809
which is what disappoints me. Suisei's music feels like it's filled with emotion. I don't even view her as that good of a singer since there are already a few holo's who mog her in terms of vocals, and that's not even accounting for the rest of the vsinger sphere where Suisei would be (if I'm being generous) upper mid at best in terms of vocals and "talent". But her drive is just so infectious. I've made this comparison before but she really does remind me of >kobr. Same insane drive and work ethic. Same level of vindictiveness. Isn't necessarily the most "talented" or "gifted" but their passion and charisma draws you towards them like moths to a flame.

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>>32239283
One of us...

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>all that shitflinging in the catalog
I like the HoloEN girls but thank god I switched full time to Tempus.

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>>32239283
>numberfag
thats a numbernigger, a numberfag will just try to get good numbers with the content they enjoy, not do anything to get those numbers

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>>32239283
Losing his top position in NijiEN must've really affected his ego it sounds like.

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>>32239283
he knows market cap exists right unless you somehow smash into some untapped market somewhere the way Luxiem initially did right?

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>>32237535
Why are you unicuck LOVES to fantasize that your oshis are some weak-willed, lilly-livered, cowards that got easily roped and intimidated into situation they don't like?
Stop it with this maidenless behaviour faggotry

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>>32239300
>>32237790
blame yt retarded system

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>>32239378
Shoto destroyed his boy pussy.

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>>32239299
hololive summer live got 200K ccv
this shit should be on trending obligatory
no other vidoe got this many views on hololive official channel so quickly in recent months.
it should be on trending according to you.

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>>32239283
Imagine if Gura or Pekora is insecure to be afraid of shit like this or losing subscribers lol. I understand his concern but what a god damn unhealthy mindset.

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>>32239385
anon he's a streamer, he probably doesn't know much of anything

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>>32239283
>I was the top dog
holokeks should never forget this

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>>32239353
They meant for her singing career, but I don't think she had much aspiration in the first place

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>>32238610
So what does that make Miko and the rest?

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>>32239407
no i will blame chink nijiniggers working at youtube. this shit is obviously prepared by a human.

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>>32239419
didnt they get 60-70k ccv on the summer outfit streams?

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>>32239283
People might give the guy shit for fujo and Chink pandering, but I'll actually give him props for being performance-minded. I hope HoloEN can get a similar chuuba one day (the performance-minded part, not the chink pandering part).
"I stream whatever I want" is all nice and good, but having someone who plays with the meta won't be a bad thing for growth either (assuming she wouldn't implode upon herself)

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>>32239283
Nowa is a numberfag, Vox is a numbernigger.
Know the difference.

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>>32239283
They're all numberfags and their management pushes them to be numberfags. Nijisanji IS cutthroat as he himself said, it's no wonder they have these menhera episodes, and it's why they talk about "All out war" on discord.

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>>32239471
>human
anon have you been living in a rock this last couple of weeks? yt is actually thinking of hiring back human checkers since their ai algorithm went full Tay and started age restricting black streamers

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>>32239399
Makes me kek everytime I see it in my recommendation
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>>32239302
>she even put Aqua to shame with how much autist she is.
You wouldn't be more wrong. Just compare the interaction between them and holomem. But that is beside the point
>You should already know by now that Pekora is mega autist with male
I am not talking about this. The point is that she asked the audiences and when the audiences gave her an answer, she sticks to what the audiences want.

>Moona
She responded by not collabing with males too. Both cases show they appreciate and respect their audiences.
>The one that got caught ordering some poor indog kid to deface Ollie QR code because he thinks Ollie is responsible for Moona "decline"?
That happened recently and has nothing to do with it. You got the timeline wrong.

>Kronii
Well aren't all her audience newfags and incels anyway? At least those criticize her according to her own words.

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>>32238592
>knew what direction they headed for their brand
>they know what type of audience they want to cultivate
this is what most EN girl (besides Bae & Gura) fail to understand.
they really don't know what to do with their own brand & audience they want to cultivate.
let's take a look at JP girl :
>Suisei & Sora don't want gachi audience & want their ''Idol'' brand doesn't lean on extreme otaku-ish idol.
>Fubuki & Matsuri just love vtubing & want to have fun, that's why they don't mind collab with males. Again, don't want unicorn audience.
>Towa wants to be FPS-oriented vtuber & joining tourney, meaning she has to collab with a male player often. so she cultivate audience that was fine with it & like her FPS content.
>the JP girl who once collab w/ males like Miko & Subaru, wanted the gachi audience after getting their number & profit. So they stopped collabing/interact with males.
>the rest of girl who choose not to collab with males know that holo has a lot gachi audience & so they don't collab with males.
you can see JP girl know exactly what they're doing by cultivating audience they feel fit with their brand & themselves.
EN girl is just fucking flip flop & being inconsistent, on top they can't accept the consequences, just blame it on fans & haters.

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>>32239283
>Thinking themselves as the top dog cuz they were the first to enter a new market while not having any talent to sustain in long run.
It's like Charlie saying he's the top dog in MrCrab overdose speed run cuz no one was playing that game yet. It's true but how can you be proud and let pride get to yourself when you're competing with no one?

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>>32239467
Her aspirations were to be able to make a living off of singing and make people happy with it.
Well. She got it. Straight-up, outright, got it. Succeeded. Donezo. Fulfilled. She's different from, say, Mori, who wants to do what rappers do, and Suisei, who wants to be #1 out of both passion and pure spite. She's just, content to be liked, I think.

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>>32239419
I think youtube has manually blacklisted Holo stuff for trending. I guess they don't want normal people to see that the biggest Youtube event of the day was a bunch of cute anime women singing in swimsuits.

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>>32239590
>Male autism
Your reading comprehension reps

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>>32238514
There is no way any of the girls are losing members ever since youtube turned on gifting. It's really just an extra bonus for their members since the girls appreciate the support.

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>>32239355
Reimu was in Late may, so maybe?

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>>32239362
All I can say is Mori getting comfortable and complacent, just like the rest of ENs.

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>>32239583

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>>32239491
>but having someone who plays with the meta
So you basically want someone to become a dramafag? since thats the meta in streaming for youtube

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>>32239501
HoloEN management doesnt do that then? Else the fuking holoEN girls would have stream more and latch onto FOTM the moment it comes out to maximize number instead of delaying to next weeks.

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>>32239283
>high score = you're being extra funny, low score = you're not very funny.
NGMI.

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>>32239454
never came close to Gura

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>>32239399
This I meant https://youtu.be/6xI1m0WFkUA
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>>32239565

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>>32239302
>she even put Aqua to shame with how much autist she is.
Dude I get you want to push the point of her being autistic but I genuinely can't believe someone is more autistic than the onion.

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>>32239283
if Vox is talking like this and their management is very number pushing focused no wonder it must be wrecking havoc on Mystas already menhera mind.

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>>32239454
He absolutely wasn't unless he's just talking dudes. But he probably doesn't even consider Gura competition, she's barely playing the same game as the rest of the ENs. A sparrow trying to learn how to fly faster doesn't despair because a hawk is twice as fast.

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>>32239619
>implying bae knows what shes doing
braindead take

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>>32239632
>I think youtube has manually blacklisted Holo stuff for trending
No retard

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>>32239619
>besides Bae & Gura
And Mori, clearly. Maybe Fauna too, on the Gura side, too early to tell.

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>>32239678
is this a meme? I saw one with Furball Korone too

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>>32239659

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>>32239283
>"Around April, I was the top dog for a bit. We were growing faster than everyone else."
so ignoring context for numbers isn't exclusive to shitposters here then

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>>32239648
>that is beside the point

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>>32239590
>That happened recently and has nothing to do with it. You got the timeline wrong.
Retard, that faggot literally made some "Sins of Ollie" pasta and made Ollie-anti discord server.
You know nothing about this matter, you best stfu.
Also, Moona never rules out of collabing with stars, she was busy with her thesis defence stuff.

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>>32239619
>they really don't know what to do with their own brand & audience they want to cultivate
Doesnt Mumei, Fauna and Ina fall into this category as well?

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>>32239283
And I thought Mysterio was the menhara numberfag... at least Mysterio gets to do assorted shit and do okay numbers with them instead of Vox being boxed In his shittgy ASMRs that are the only ones doing good numbers (at least in terms of his standard)

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>>32239385
His market is still fucking big from what i can see. He just doesn't have anything else to expand in that market. Good model, voice and mediocre to non talent you can only go so far.

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>>32239619
>Bae
>knowing what she's doing
>having a direction
Really dude

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>>32239778
fauna and ina do, mumei still has no idea what she wants to do and just streams whatever and whenever she feels like

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>>32239734
bae at the very least know what brand & audience she wants to cultivate (the one who is fine with male collab) i give her prop for that

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>>32238889
Aren't there also group chats? I know people kicked up a fuss a while back when Ame said the Rust Collab between Gura Fauna and Mumei was organized somewhere where she couldn't see it and so she never knew about it.

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>>32239760
How is it beside the point? It's literally one major road block to Pekora ever collabing with males

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>>32239491
Look at the nijiEN meta, do you really want something like that? Numbers are fine and all, but there has to be a balance between them and enjoyment, or you end up with either nijiEN tier lists/collabs/celebrations or debuffson.

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>>32239283
Bros...is Vox /here/? Did he see True Average Anon's graph the other day?

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>>32239283
>Around April, I was the top dog for a bit
??
Like, in his own branch? Christ numberfagging against your own genmates is no way to live

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>>32239767
>don't know about one schizo indog (but get the timeline and the even right anyway)
>"you better stfu"
Why are indogs like this?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQ2UZ9EF-k
Real baseball 40k

There was a poll and it only reach 2k in 5 minutes, the ccv at the time was 12k

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>>32239283
Get off your high horse vox. Get ready for for nijigamers and more dudes in the industry. Stars 2 as well.

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>>32239733
even selen can outclass the shark now. she's old news. you'll see this when she tries to go head-to-head against enna in a couple of days.

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>>32239747
Yeah the original is from a mobile rip-off of Sims, Sakura High school simulator or some shit like that
>>32236405
>>32239678

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>>32239755
So, if he focus on those kinds of context-ignoring numbers, and then they are wrong, the anons here are just latching on the same context-ignoring numbers as well? Do any of them anon get into a rant when certain events or reality doesnt reflect their numbers? Like with him.

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>>32239877
I need to go look at the numbers but is he talking sub growth? I think the talents behind the scenes give WAY WAY more of a shit about subs than we do

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>>32239670
Hololive clearly doesn't do this, no, otherwise they would act (and stream) very differently and they wouldn't have talents that barely stream. I'm not saying they don't care about numbers in any capacity, but they're not shackled down by any thoughts like "i must stream 6 hours every day or i lose half my audience" or "my SCs went down 20% i must pander to them more" and shit like that.

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>>32239877
imagine how much Gura shits on her own branchmates if this is where Vox thinks hes at lmao!

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>>32239877
wasnt he the was the top en male vtuber ccv wise?

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>>32239476
no.

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>>32239880
Retard, the Ollie incident was literally the culmination of that one ex-moonafiq faggot displeasure with Ollie.

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>>32239850
Yes, gura, fauna and mumei are one of the closer friendships in EN.

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>>32239920
Vox crushes nijiEN in subs, only has competition from like 2 other Luxiem in CCV, and afaik still absolute demolishes Superchats

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>>32239283
the big number and money he gets from the chink, truly get on his head & ego
hope stars 2 fucking mog this guy

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>>32239920
of course they do, subs is the first thing an advertiser or a sponsor looks at

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>>32239670
Yes, obviously they don't. And it's a good thing because Hololive is in it for the long haul. Imagine stressing the box of menheras they have with numbers, half of them would just quit or breakdown on stream and get management hate and the brand damaged.

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>>32239283
>NijiEN management: Ultimate numberniggers, fucking driving the talents to be nervous wrecks chasing the numbers, to the point of their "top dog" driving himself a little mad trying to reclaim that "top dog" title from either HoloEN members, or his own fucking branchmates, since no one is on that level otherwise
>HoloEN management: literally could not give less of a fuck, will NEVER drive their talents to chase numbers, fully willing to accommodate fucking nothing in terms of content for however long they want, fostering an environment where the girls have absolutely no willingness to engage with "the meta" for getting numbers, barring only the talent who do so for their own, personal motivation, meaning they will NEVER reach peaks that are potentially there for them, should they pursue it with backing
Which would you say is better?

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>>32239938
Gura, the girl that hides away in her member streams because the public ones are too big?

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>>32239744
>the only cover of aqua they ever put on trending is the cuck one
you just know

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>>32239862
Because you are exactly missing my point? Pekora is trying to improve herself and it shows from the years watching her. She definitely can overcome it, if it exists at all, if she wants to. My point is that she asked the audiences whether they wanted her to collab or not and the audiences, mind you, majority of them are indifferent, but a significant portion of them oppose and none of them actively supported her doing this sort of thing. This situation is actually similar to what happened to Kronii. Pekora's response is to not collab with males after her audiences voice their opinion.

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>>32239302
>Moona
Faggot the whole members has their own sin list made by them, the only one who doesn't have sin list is Niji ID, fucking retarded.

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>>32239959
>ccv wise
Nope, barring some "milestone" stuff back in April his ccv and kuzuha's are similar with King gaining the upper hands during Vsaikyou season

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>>32239618
Isn't this a pretty normal mindset in most twitch streamers?
holos and JP chuubas are the exception.

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>>32240031
Gonna give it to HoloEN because at least they're not fucking stressed out over numbers which can cause even more burnout than some already get.

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Is Shu the only Luxiem member that isn't a complete asshat? He's the only one that hasn't said or done anything dickish, AFAIK.

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>>32240073
>en male

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So how much of these dramas and actions drama channels will affect HoloEN's growth and popularity? Will they loose viewers or it won't affect anything

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>>32239965
Yes? Maybe that is true but what does that has to do with anything I said?

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>>32239283
Is this in SC or CCV? Cuz in no way was he ever beaten in the former. The latter he's not even reached the top at all, Council and his own Wave beats him by a mile in solo content. So is he nunberfagging against his own company? That's petty AF.

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>>32240058
Her audience "wishes" don't meant shit if she never plans to do so in teh first place.
Stop being disingenuous for once.

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>>32240031
Any agency have management in the middle?

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>>32240031
>surprised that holoen turned out this way
anon the daisenpai is the patron saint of anti numbers, why are you surprised that they are like this

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Pippa beat Gura in some numbers
Why is Gura such a fucking failure numberwise?

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>>32239419
There's a reason that
> youtube trends
is cope.
No one really gives much of a shit about it anymore, since most creators and viewers know that it's just corpo shit pushed by Youtube itself.

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>>32240104
They barely give a flying fuk about bday of Sana, they are not unified enough to give a shit about it, Kronii will more or less be the only one affected.

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>>32239663
I was thinking more about things like picking only buffed games, figuring out what kind of interactions viewers are excited about (between the streamer and viewers and streamer and other streamers) and intentionally finding ways to "innocently" trigger those, dropping debuff contents, spending time to take care of reading and interacting with SCs properly, etc. That kind of meta - basically, the "what makes a stream popular right now? How should I apply that to my streams" kind of mindset

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>>32239355
Spam bots cost too much money now, pls understand.
Also: Kobo

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>>32240031
>fan fiction
>head canon

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>>32240092
oof, my bad.
Yeah I think Vox and Mysta were top EN male chuuba back then

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>>32240055
How newfag can you be when you weren't there for even Startend?

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>>32239839
I think she's kind of at the point where that IS what she wants to do. And that's a decently valid way to take the channel, since she's committing to it so far.

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>>32240159
I still can't get over the fact that she basically had a panic attack when one of her MC streams got higher VOD views than her usual range.

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>>32240087
Shu is simply too bro & im not surprised if he actually dislikes his genmate to some extent.
Ike doesn't seem asshole too, AFAIK

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>>32240139
>she never plans to do so in teh first place
So you never watch her, alright.

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>>32239619
What's so inconsistent about Fauna, Mumei, and IRyS? When have they flipflop'd on their audience?

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>>32240133
Not hard to believe. They were shiting on their Jp counterparts for surpassing them in SC income in one of the discord leaks.

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>>32240219
kys nijinigger you know many more streams and cover and even originals should be on trending JP yet they arent. fuck off with your gaslighting

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>>32240113
You said Moonafiq didn't want Moona to collab with male when in reality it's just one faggot and couple of his friends. Never mind the fact that he turned out to be a schizo.

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>>32240266
cute shoes

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>>32240222
seems like its working for her, she's been consistently top 3 ccv wise in EN for the past few months

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>>32240133
ccv for en male im guessing
shoto leeching his viewers away must have hit him pretty bad

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>>32239850
There are group chats but at that point it's talent-side, and anyone can make one, so it wouldn't be worth trying to figure out, since they could make and break them at literally any time with whoever they want.
And that also assumes that they don't just make channels in servers and assign roles to people opting into collabs or something.

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>>32240266

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>>32240218
they still kind of are, only competition being on twitch with shoto for EN male vtubers and Shoto is at 12k average for the last month but its impossible to correctly compare Youtube and Twitch numbers

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>>32240288
wait, I've never seen that one? Post it

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>>32239755
The streamers aren't supposed to be looking at their numbers, their managers are.
I think even if management ISN'T pushing them (unlikely) they would still be getting pressure, purely from the ACCELERATE strategy.
The lack of cohesiveness among your coworkers will make you inadvertently compete with them, and try to see what they're doing right, and what you're doing wrong, and try to stem the flow of your numbers while draining the other side.

iirc he had a couple of 1 on 1s with iluna where the only frame was on his channel (the iluna frame was put up early, but removed).

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>>32240031
Since they're women. I I'll pick HoloEN managers as the perfect fit for them 100% Holo is already known for saving disabled/broken girls, why break them further instead of letting them get whatever goal they want at their pace. It'll be perfect if they had a numberfag talent though

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>>32240261
>Throwing a "what-if" scenario to chat
Yeah anon, she was gong to collab with male back then, you got me

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>>32240292
>one faggot
Like no? Just because there is one schizo sperging out you can't pin all of the stuff other people did or want on him.

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>>32240159
None of that was me posting in surprise, anon. I was just laying out the styles.

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>>32240184
OK, it is a streamer but the way you describe it doesnt sound like a streamer at all, or not a human. That is just someone wanting to game the system or get the best possible number, in a medium that should be (not that it is) a hobby. Sound like a job, or for those who are deadass afraid of losing audience so need to cling to meta shit all the time.

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>>32239893
Makes sense, I assume a lot of people are watching on their TV

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>>32240184
see
>>32239868

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>>32239920
lmao I wonder if the koboposting actually got to him then.

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>>32239283
>Vox was weeping fucking blood when he went from 31k with Shoto to 11k with Scarle
ahahahaha

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>>32240393
MOST INFLUENTIAL BOARD

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>>32240145
If any of them do, it clearly hasn't worked out for them enough to be known by anyone.

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>>32240361
You think she was not seriously considering it when she brought it up with chat? Just say you are in number thread but you don't watch Pekora alright.

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>>32240284
Never, that anon has a myopic perspective. Plenty of ENs have a direction for their channel and audience that they're consistent with, no one is 100% perfect at it but that's because they're normal humans and not perfect AI terminator idols

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>>32240133
Perhaps he was comparing himself with other Niji members. Alternatively, he might be thinking of peaks only (which, to be fair, is usually what leaves impressions on people at first glance) instead of medians. Like it or hate it, the guy had some nice peaks back then due to some massively buffed streams IIRC (unarchived karaoke, hand-cam, off-collabs)

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>>32240329
Anon, Vox got beaten by wild Tempus stream in 1 out of 10 streams.

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>>32240329
which is why i have a feeling that he might be referring to bilibili numbers

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>>32239283
I really want future starsEN 2 or 3 is runescape fag.
can you imagine? if one of starsen is runescape fag who got fucking popular by playing runescape & more popular than him without having to whoring himself to do asmr rape tentacle?

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>>32240290
The fuck is this reply? You replying to a wrong one?
I was blasting that anon for being a newfag since he doesn't even seem to know that the Startend cover made it into Trending pretty high back when it was just uploaded.
Or you're that anon but you're just fucking retarded and haven't been working on your reading comprehension reps?

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>>32239283
Welcome to Nijisanji.

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>>32236405
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>>32239283
Will the fujosisters connect the dots (in their own head) and go to war for his sake by labelling the other males leeches, particularly Shoto who is obviously the possible culprit for dethroning him?

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>>32240424
You mean Pekora never joked with chat before?
Woah, what a revelation.

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>>32240080
Those who grind their way from the bottom can proudly call themselves top dog. Difference between Vox or twitch chuuba who lucky to go viral and the like of Gura is that while both of them strike a brand new market, Vox saw that as his own achievement while Gura still thought that she's standing on her senpai shoulder.

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>>32239491
you want someone who admits to being a cuthroat ?

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>>32240334
>I think even if management ISN'T pushing them
A chunk of NijiEN discord leaks are their managers getting on their case about numbers

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>>32240133
well, he started off with "I was" and then immediately moved to "We were", so I think there was just a slight bit of ego at play there.

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>>32240515
That was not a joke. Clearly you are just trying to get a reaction and (You) at this point.

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>>32236405
>>32240507

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>>32240284
Just to clear it up, because that anon was trying to start a VERY different convo than the one he started about channel direction: That guy was talking about men, and pretty much only men.
The base of his premise is "Western women are whores who don't think about things before they act, and want to avoid consequences, whereas Japanese women are considerate and measured when they take action, one way or the other."
So, you know. That kind of guy.

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>>32240331
I think that anon misread it, the leak's the original one, but they were numberfagging against HoloJP.

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>>32240363
Ok? But you took a minority opinion as fact regarding male collab?
What is your point again?

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Numbers?

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>>32238889
Pretty much every group, unit, gen in Hololive has their own discord even if they never use it (like that Nikisei discord).
They even have discords for events and random collabs they do in JP from the random leaks we've seen.

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>>32240577
That's what I assumed (and to be fair, it was Finana)

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>>32240570
Then that makes even less sense to exclude Fauna and IRyS.

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>>32240582
>minority
They are her fans. My point is that both Moona and Pekora respect their fans.

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>>32240087
We could've had him

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>>32240393
God I hope so

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>>32236405
>>32240564

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>>32240334
>The streamers aren't supposed to be looking at their numbers, their managers are.
Did you miss that yugo leak? their managers are showing the streamers the numbers especially if its doing bad

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>>32239283
Damn...He should start doing more dick sucking ASMR, preferably with a real dick.

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>>32240454
please anon dropping a stream now and again does not mean you suddenly arent the top EN male vtubers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV-5W7SFHDc
Treasure box is most likely hitting 8 million today, seeing it only got 25k to go. Does anyone know how it's stacking up compared to other Holo songs?

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>>32240685
nobody has ever claimed competence from the niji management.

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>>32240133
I think he was referring to Luxiem as a whole because he says "we" a lot but that first "I" was the ego slipping out.

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>>32240393
I've seen this exact post in nijiEN thread. There are actual niji watchers in number thread huh.

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>>32240643
I wonder if he regrets waiting

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>>32240625
I never claimed that he was a particularly smart person, nor did I claim he was making a particularly smart point.

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>>32240560
What, now you're declaring yourself the authority on what joke is?
Meds, now.

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>>32240722
probably not, hes in the largest EN male vtubing unit in the world right now

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>>32240640
That not respecting your fans that giving them control over you. First it males collabs but whats next don't forget peko males freak out over an dam app. There nice but will backstab you when viable.

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>>32240577
Opinions at that time of the leak were polarizing but now looking back, those that say nijiEN are a bunch of insecure high-on-debut-hype success were on point. You dont just go around downplaying other people achievements unless you are insecure and have an inferiority complex, which stems from those who are usually inferior.

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>>32240643
>applying to holostarsjp even though you speak eigo
>applying to holoen as a male

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>>32236405
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>>32240701
But it showed that his reign is slipping.

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>>32240715
The fact that people talked about Rosemi doing an ARG for her outfit debut before it actually happened on-screen shows we have at least, like, SOME people who watch them here.

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>>32240722
dont think so since he's not that tied to the fujos as vox

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Uhm... Chart anon for august doko? Did i missed it?

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>>32240772
The way the women were hyping them up (especially whothefucktyx) was hilarious
>y-yeah like Noctyx really btfoing HoloJP man

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>>32240806
same logic NijiENiggers use when a holo girl slips to a nijiEN girl unless youre willing to admit holoEN is actually stagnated while NijiEN girls are actually becoming threats to their positions.

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>>32240767
>the largest EN male vtubing unit in the world
And according to the leader of the unit, losing ground on that!
I don't even have to make a claim, he did it for me, didn't he?

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Pekora turning herself into the raid boss POV has me kneeling. Sasuga strongest JP chuuba.

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>>32240773
Blame the inclusive language they use confusing people. There's always somebody who thinks that they're hiring men for their all-female idol units because they have legally-required nondiscrimination clauses in the announcements.

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>>32240715
I assume they just stay quiet so as not to be associated with the nijiniggers.

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>>32236405
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Isn't its great Vox is numberfag? Why do people hate him? i get his content not for everyone but its good dude is competitive

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>>32240640
Let me get this straight, you took a couple of moonafiq's opinion on male collab as a fact, even when it turned out they were a fucking schizo and long since driven out of the fandom?

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>>32240493
>Stars EN 2
>his character is being a king instead of a lord
>his fanbase addresses him as sire
>he's an oni instead of a demon
>10k+ runescape and FNAF content, gun cleaning ASMR
Vox would fucking kill himself

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>>32240917
this is an older timeloop but it checks out

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>>32240855
Either in this thread or the last.

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>>32240827
why does she look like the monogatari doll?

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>>32240855
last thread

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>>32240701
Not according to vox who has more access to numbers than we do
I feel like this is a combination of his b2 numbers going down and his slowdown of sub growth

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>>32240643
You guys think he regrets being forced to fujo bait?

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>>32240768
We are talking about stream content here. Pekora's app stuff was not from her viewers anyway which is why she ignored it lol.

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>>32240951
didnt Vox do that kind of RP/ASMR content before he was a NijiEN? pretty sure I remember reading that somewhere so I dont think he minds doing the content as much as people here think he does.

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>>32240363
Anon, that one schizo was literally working with Pokka the biggest doxfag there is. They were doing IRL vandalism you think they won't raid comment sections and even here?

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>>32240879
Vox is literally subscribed to this logic. It lives rent free in his head. Besides, Mysta has better numbers and so does Shoto, so he did in fact, fucking lose the throne.

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>>32240879
Yeah no shit HoloEN is slowing down, I'm not that much of faggot to out right ignore the hard facts.
NijiEN IS inclining, but will they ever come close to HoloEN? Not in the foreseeable future.

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>>32240184
I'd like to think there's a balance to it.
Pekora is probably the prime example. But even she doesn't do meta shit all the time. Sometimes you need to chill out and just enjoy some fun game.
Chasing meta all the time is how you get burnout.
Like Miko says, as long as they keep the mindset of "the fans might enjoy this" in the back of their head (rather than numbers) the kino will naturally flow.

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>>32240773
Hey males applying to Hololive is literally how Holostars started.

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>>32241014
he did asmr but his current asmrs are unlike his previous ones since its more sexual in nature now

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>>32239670
>HoloEN management doesnt do that then?
>Sana

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>>32240643
>Pomu
>Selen
>Shu
How many holofags are in Niji because they either couldn't wait or got rejected?

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>>32240917
/#/ is weird in that some level of sensible numbers-focused decision making is seen as good, but going all-in on numbers is seen as extremely bad
Like if someone's schedule is mostly FOTM games or buff content people will say it's good, but if every stream for a month is "handcam ASMR collab drawing every NijiEN member in Minecraft VR" then they're worse than Stalin

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>>32240917
numberfags = good, numberniggers like vox = bad. the man has no class.

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>>32240767
Yea, from how I understand it he kinda managed to carve out his own place with a lot of JP fans, and doesn't pander very hard to Fujos.

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>>32236405
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>>32241118
isnt Pomu a nijinigger i remember people used to post one of her preNijiEN stream clips around where she is constantly singing praises for Nijisanji and wanting to join them

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>>32241116
No confirmation, doesnt care.

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>>32240917
He's a numbernigger. That what's happen when you're chasing number for number's sake.

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>>32240532
Entertainment factory... They really are a black company.

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>>32240972
Wrong source

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I think the lesson to be learned here is simple:
>If you focus on improving your content for the benefit of others, or yourself, numbers will come your way
>If you focus on improving your content so that the number line trends upwards, you will see the number fade away in your pursuit
Truly, NijisanjiEN: Generation 4: Luxiem has been an incredible performance art piece to explain to the masses why the Chicago School of Economics is a terrible idea.

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>>32241118
Elira and Alban. Elira was a Nousagi in the before times and I think Alban was a chumbud or tako or something.

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>>32236405
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I don't think you can really blame NijiEN. Anykara's black company chink managers are literally always hounding their vtubers about ROOK, YOUR NUMBA DECREASE THIS QUARTER, GET NUMBER BACK UP. TELL MYSTA YOU SUCK THE COCK 5 DORRA I NO CARE HOW

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>>32241097
Uh, no. Please learn your Hololive history more.

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>>32241191
iirc Pomu in her PL alluded that she got rejected for Myth which is why I brought her up. Idk i might be mistaken

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>>32240493
IcePoseidon, come home...

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>>32240772
It very likely singlehandedly ruined NijiEN's reputation amongst the broader VTubing community. Most of them won't show it, but I'm sure everyone relevant has seen it or at least heard of it by now.

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>>32241301
applying for Myth makes sense but she could still be a bigger fan of Niji despite since NijiEN didnt open their auds til Dec 2020

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>>32240951
jesas, i can imagine Vox will seethe.
100% i will fucking sub that male chuuba day one

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>>32241161
because spamming a buff content wont make it a buff anymore
ive seen this first hand in some 2view twitch vtubers

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>>32241118
Millie and that Russian Niji

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>>32241161
Chasing numbers to the end is how you end up with twitch drama farming.

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>>32241262 (me)
Millie too, but that's more of a case of being friends with HoloID members.

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