/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Single handedly runs this hobby into the ground by spamming low effort, no talent Vtubers every few months. Oversaturating the market is one of the worst paths that they could take as a company.

[Anonymous No.]

*cums on you *

[Anonymous No.]

Oversaturation seems to be only fucking over the NijiEN girls.
NijiEN guys, NijiJP, or other companies don't seem to get fucked by it nearly as hard.

[Anonymous No.]

what happened in /#/ this time

[Anonymous No.]

*streams*

[Anonymous No.]

>>31422182
I fucking hate nijisanji, now they're ruining phase connect too
https://youtu.be/lWOY35G8nv0

[Anonymous No.]

>makes more money than hololive

[Anonymous No.]

did holo have a yab or some shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>31422284
How does fungus have one of the higher ccv if he tries so hard to stay small

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>>31422411
Anon, we all knew who's the yabmakers on this board

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>>31422449
Scarcity

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>>31422182
This oversaturating shit is one of the stupidest hottake ever to come out of this fandom. This market didn't blow the fuck up when there were over 10K Vtubers at the same time yet a corpo holding around 200 people is magically oversaturating the market. If any debut in Nijisanji is oversaturating, why any debut from any company isn't? Isn't Kawaii oversaturating the market by debuting another gen when there are already tons of Vtubers out there?
Not to mention faggots on this board cried about they cannibalize each other all the way back to Obsydia's debut but in every metric NijiEN keeps growing as a whole.

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>>31422182
Looks like you put a wrong picture. The right one is an ugly blue triangle.

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>>31422318
With phase being so /here/ shouldn't you guys be able to shove it on sakana's ass that nijiniggers shouldn't be allowed to leech off your incline?

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>>31422614
just look at /pcg/, they're pretending that stream doesn't exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>31422649
BASADO

[Anonymous No.]

>>31422241
because female fans are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>31422688
not just fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>31422182
They will ACCELERATE and you will LIKE it

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>>31422182
I cant argue with the fact that their last wave was really really bad

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>>31422241
I know very well that the only metric you fags use are numbers, and by that metric they're just as "fucked", if not more, you have people from the first gens forever stuck as 3viewers, EN is doing amazingly in comparison

[Anonymous No.]

Shitposting or not, there are people who unironically thinks the same way. But I wonder why people care at all. Just don't watch them. I only watch HoloJP myself and these kinds of things don't matter. If the streamer is bad, then find another. Simple as. If they're as bad as you claim, then they will inevitably fail and sink into irrelevancy.

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>>31422799
>If they're as bad as you claim, then they will inevitably fail and sink into irrelevancy.
Ironlung and Cuntnor prove you wrong. They're shit but "people" still watch them.

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>>31422614
>leeching
>from the smaller company
This is how delusional the antis are

[Anonymous No.]

>>31422863
>Nijisanji
>smaller company
Phase shills are something else

[Anonymous No.]

>nipple controversy
>stolen merch controversy
>stolen merch controversy 2
>cancelled sponsorships and events
>cancelled concerts
>no live2d updates in sight
>discord leak revealing them seetheposting about their superior rival, marking them as jealous hololive rejects for the rest of eternity
>males crashing yuribait off-collabs as a "surprise"
>Finana openly admitting to lying about it and selling it as a "girls night" despite the male being planned all-along
>comment sections getting closed to hide complaints
>girl streamers getting turned into accessories to the males and forced to exist just as walking collab platforms for males
>literally getting numbermogged by hololive's new INDOGS
>gen2 males are a huge flop
>can't get elden ring permissions
>their biggest streamer fails his subathon endurance stream and cucks out after a mere 5 hours
>Finana has a menhera meltdown on twitter about how nobody draws her in group fanart and cancels streams because of it
>AnyColor randomly tweets creepy vagueposts about "slander" for no apparent reason
>their chuuubas keep having freudian slips about Hololive such as Alban calling Petra "Gura" accidentally or Millie saying HoloJP instead of NijiJP in a tweet, which shows what really lives rent free in their head
>AnyColor literally goes public, to be defiled by chink investors
>Kanae gets canceled for using black features to make a gorilla avatar
>Luca gets caught stealing Towa's and Okayu's copyrighted BGM music without permission or even crediting her, takes down his stream afterwards
>"graduation rush" trending on JP twitter because their livers keep fucking graduating one after another
>Luxiem moving to bilibili to complete the chinkification
>Luxiem blatantly being favored and getting more and better merch than Lazulight, causing a massive outrage
>Vox fags sending death threats to Reimu
>Vox has to tell of his chink fujos for it, then immediately flip-flops and comes crawling back to them to damage control and beg them to return to him after noticing the CCV+superchat drop
>Nippleman suspended AGAIN
>Yugo has a drunken menhera meltdown on-stream, genuinely sobbing and crying over not being a "real man".
>Finana menheraposts on twitter about "trap" being a slur and bans the word, promptly backpedals unbans it and apologizes after backlash
>Indian LGBTroon manager is caught damage controlling for Nijisanji online
>literally the only major vtuber agency to not have a booth at AX
>Former golden horse Vox absolutely shitting the bed in CCV recently and getting mogged by his genmates
>Finana gets caught joining a fan discord server with her official account where she constantly joins vc and plays games with its members, gets bonked by management and is forced to leave it only for her to create an alt account and join again behind management's back, causing her biggest paypigs to leave her over the preferential treatment to the members of the server
>everyone becoming more and more shameless in the coomer pandering and degenerate fetishposting both in streams and on twitter, this is literally what NijiEN is known for now
>everyone getting the same copypasted shit tier merch for their birthday because Rikike doesn't want to spend a dime
>Obsydia getting NO FUCKING NEW OUTFITS, literally ever, and completely neglected
>Iluna being a COMPLETE FUCKING SHITSHOW of clown hires, all flops too and mogged by Tempus
>Nina leaking discord again showing she literally considers deleting and reposting tweets if they don't get enough "traction"

What the FUCK is wrong with Nijisanji?

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>>31423035
>>Obsydia getting NO FUCKING NEW OUTFITS, literally ever, and completely neglected
You can remove that one now.

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>>31422863
>>31422936
Do you even do your reps before posting? Seriously once you do it, you'd know who leech who

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>>31422182
You couldn't be more wrong holomonkey. This fucking company ruined vtubing.
>Viewrship is utterly and entirely corporate
>Anyone who joins magically goes from 1k view shitter a top vtuber then to 1k view shitter after graduation
>Appropriates the algorithm circulating 50% of the whole vtuber fanbase among their handful of members
>Allow lazy whores that don't stream to become top streamers and top earners
>Bring literal hordes of mentally ill third world SEA third worlders into the fandom
>Act holier than thou despite they themselves started as 2view shitters that got lucky with covid lockdowns
>Make MILLIONS OF DOLLARS from a dirty cheap hobby anyone can make
>indies have better models and stream better games despite not making millions in revenue

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>>31422759
That's what happens when you make a wave with 6 different flavours of normalfag

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>>31422241
>NijiJP don't seem to get fucked by it nearly as hard
Honma, Hoshikawa, don't look ......

>>31422771
half of NijiJP first gens were always 3views desu, and while Finana can definitely thank herself for tanking her career, the audience cannibalization is starting to affect NijiEN very much (see Reimu and especially Nina, Elira has also slowed down a bit)

>>31422589
The problem is less oversaturation and more that lesser viewed nijichuubas don't get shit and especially that management just can't handle this many talents.
NijiKR, is forever the best example, where Niji just let everything happen. As well as the Roa - Meiro lawsuits and the Axia menhera moment that happened recently, no sane manager would've let Axia upload that disstrack

>>31423540
>Anyone who joins magically goes from 1k view shitter a top vtuber then to 1k view shitter after graduation
this one is comically untrue desu, while the rest can also be applied to Niji

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>>31422411
Yeah, haachama reopened her bilibili channel and decided to start pandering to chinks again. It's pretty shameless
https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1561664757240700930

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukino Mito was the single most horrible thing to have happened to the vtuber industry.
You can trace any terrible thing that comes after back to her.

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>>31423860
>no sane manager would've let Axia upload that disstrack
Why shouldn't he tho? I wonder how anons here would do if you have to handle a situation like that

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>>31422182
>Ruined
Nijisanji created modern vtubing, it's pretty hypocritical to accuse them of ruining anything when your oshi is following their steps

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>>31423860
Finana seems to be doing pretty good though. Her median CCV is almost in the 2000s this month prior to the boys the only girls getting in the 2000s were Pomu, Elira and Selen. I'd say Elira is doing just fine too, she just plays a bunch of debuff games all the time JRPGs, visual novels and so on. When she does streams that you'd expect to do well they do. Reimu seems to be doing fairly good this month too with above 2k median although she hasn't had much streams. Nina though yeah she's reclined. But then you've got someone like Enna on the other hand at over 5k median which I think is on course to be the best a girl has ever done

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>>31423035
>Finana gets caught joining a fan discord server with her official account where she constantly joins vc and plays games with its members, gets bonked by management and is forced to leave it only for her to create an alt account and join again behind management's back, causing her biggest paypigs to leave her over the preferential treatment to the members of the server

She did what? Holy shit Feesh, are you that desperate for some social interaction?

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>>31423860
>no sane manager would've let Axia upload that disstrack
He literally said in his video that the company suggested him not to say that yet he still decided to do it. What do you gonna do? Take it down?
>NijiKR
You faggots claim that they are axed but in recent Suha's Twicast they happily talked about what they gonna do after 3D which means they are going to get 3D like Hana and it was 541 E&C's former management being a complete asshole.
>Roa - Meiro lawsuits
It has nothing to do with oversaturation though. The whole thing is because Meiro is a bitch.
>see Reimu and especially Nina
They don't fucking stream for a period of time and you take them as example of cannibalization. It's just outright retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>creates vtubing itself
>hololive copies everything they do

[Anonymous No.]

Koshien and Selen 500k really mindbroke the numberfags, huh?

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>>31424117
Your numberfagging is totally pointless. You should get a different hobby

Fact 1) The streams often have superchat reading segments and slow-chatting segments. This fucks up your CCV averages.
Fact 2) The streams are often collabs that involve other popular people, this fucks up your averages.
Fact 3) There are raids, this fucks up your averages.
Fact 4) They are often streaming on other people's channels. Thus your "hours streamed" metric is fucked up. In fact it should probably be doubled.

Numberfagging is completely pointless, the numbers mean absolutely nothing. You should get a different hobby. Numberfags are cancer.

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>>31422771
The competition isn't comparable at all. Your 3views are just starting to form and it's only going to get worse.

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>>31424027
Because it's utter cringe. The lil 4 minute video was already good enough to keep those people away. Axia should've drawn the line with his fanbase earlier

>>31424231
>NijiKR is thriving
anon, picrel....
>Meiro - Roa
my prev post says in the same paragraph that its not oversaturation and that the management can't handle this many talents. The whole thing was a nothingburger and could've been resolved had management done anything right
>Reimu-Nina
Usually chuubas who take a break and come back get more viewers though, no? Nina decline has been long time coming

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>>31424355
How are we supposed to measure "audience cannibalization" without numberfagging? Just one guy thinks it's happening so it is despite all the metrics saying otherwise?

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>>31422241
Giving people more streams to watch is "bad" somehow? I don't think so.
Imagine if Enna never joined. She's the top girl now. Imagine if Selen never joined. Imagine if Luxiem never happened.

What you're saying is nonsense. Actually I think that debuting more talents is the best way to grow.
>but muh ccv averages will be slightly lower
even though the total is higher? Anyone with over 1000 viewers is making massive money, there's no reason not to debut more when they're still getting over 1000.

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>>31424380
none of them are 3viewers tho

[Anonymous No.]

>oversaturation
only seething 2views care about that

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>>31424518
Numberfagging is retarded and toxic cancer. It's a pointless task. A bridge to nowhere.

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>>31424453
>management done anything right
So how can management handle a bitch that literally faked her own accent for clout and instantly resorted to dramatuber and even manipulated the information making the dramatuber even thinking that he got played?
>picrel
As I said, 541 E&C's former management was the literal asshole and fuckers. And seeing many ex-NijiKR being happy as they never be, I think it shouldn't be blamed on the whole Nijisanji.

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>>31423921
Why are you still on this board if you think streaming ruined vtubers? No one talks about Aichan or whatever here.

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>>31424720
They should've booted her sooner. Still no idea how she made it in in the first place

And once again Niji should've booted that part of management. They either bought the company while knowing that it was run by shitters or bought the company not doing the bare minimum amount of research. The whole merging was the biggest fuck you to both branches, and it changed nothing except for the fact that both channels are now defunct and projects have been cancelled. Wake me up when any NijiID that isn't Hana or Mika gets proper merch

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>>31424578
Several of them slip into 3 digits when there's something resembling competition.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't let this thread distract you from the fact that Sana graduated to flee from HoloEN's dogshit fanbase.

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>>31425433
the majority of them can hold around 1.5k even when overlapping with others, only when they're playing some garbage and overlapping that get delve into 3 digits

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>>31425477
ToF and ZZZ was too much for her, she can't live without her chink gacha

[Anonymous No.]

Don't let OP see the numbers of active vtubers outside of corpo

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>>31422182
New wave flops.
Questionable decision in picking talents. Used to pick ESL but decided never again.
All in all earned a lot of money and the second largest name in the industry.

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>>31425325
>booted her
How are you gonna boot her? By announcing she was playing a character and facking an accent? The only thing Roa was asking for was that Meiro mentioned her hometown instead of making people keep comparing her with Roa's accent. Yet Meiro went full schizo.
>They should know it before!
The whole Ara drama with someone like Bora openly saying the management was shit only got known less than a year ago, which I think was the true point that Anycolor realized they were shitter all along. It's not hard for some middle management to hide anything from higher up.
>NijiID
Both former staff and all those projects are still around tho? But I do agree you with this that they should set up their march for ID again.

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>>31424532
>even though the total is slightly higher
KEK, it isn't. Look at the bottom girls. They're now getting assreamed by the smaller corpos in superchats and views outside of collabs. (and shit that leads to collabs like minecraft before some faggot starts linking the numbers of those streams).

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>>31426606
Even Aia still holds a 1600 median. Now name one from smaller corpos who ever have this median in the first place.

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>>31423035
All those points and no finana baiting on stream one?

[Anonymous No.]

>Nijisanji will fail! Any day now for sure! Two more weeks!

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>>31426606
you smaller corp fags are delusional, phasecucks got so cocky with 1.5k on an outfit reveal recently that they decided to numberfag about it, it's like you don't realize how fucking small you guys are

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>>31422182
It's okay, only 800 people watch the new ones.

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>>31423540
1. To an extent it is, but that’s due to to management actually managing. It’s basically rocko’s vs ren and stimpy. Both are surreal and deranged old cartoons with animals as the focus characters and anything can happen. but one is structured and episodic while the other is whatever random thing comes into the writers head. The first is going to be more palatable to the majority where as the second you might find some fun enjoyable stuff inbetween all the terrible, lforces you to give me a blowjob” Asmrs.
2. The power of a brand. Of course your argument only works of 1k didn’t put them in the top part of the top 1% of all streamers. Also ignoring that a lot of the girls and boys were 1, 2 and 3 views and only a few were 1k views
3. Not an actual issue. Being able to manipulate the algorithm is what everyone tries to do. The catch is in order to do it successfully means people have to watch the streams, video, and clips.
4. That’s like your opinion man. And also disregards that holo is not a streaming company but an entertainment one with multiple facets, including radio work, podcasts, sports commentary, con appearances, and lives which require a few month of lessons and practice for.
5. What’s your excuse. Your mentally Ill to point that this is constantly on your mind.
6. Success is when luck meets preparation. Also success breeds jelly biatch.
7. And yet it doesn’t help them. It’s almost like what matters is actual skill and talent and being able to advertise yourself and not looking and moving pretty

[Anonymous No.]

>>31422241
NijiJP, ex-ID and ex-KR have plenty of 3views, some ex-IDs and ex-KRs even dipped into 2views

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>>31422182
>muh hobby
dude you are not painting minis or collecting shit, you are watching streamers with anime avatar, stop.

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>>31422251
Miko got sub 10k Minecraft

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>>31423359
kek bronies don't even know what their pasta says

[Anonymous No.]

I like Nijisanji

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>>31422182
>Single handedly runs this hobby into the ground
Nijiniggers have so little merit that now they try to steal other corpos achievements

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>>31422411
niji won their sport today

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>>31422182
Seethe and cope holonigger

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>>31422234
Go back to discord

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>>31423860
Finana got groomed by discord fags and started playing with certain fans off stream.

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>>31425660
Can't win against the chunk cock man
Nope not the cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>31426810
QRD?