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You guys ever noticed how lazy Hololive is with being emotive with their avatars? It seems like only Gura and some JP chubbas actually use their expressions when streaming. For example Amelia never does a sad face even during emotional scenes in a vidya

>> No.31210946

That's why dynamic expressions should be a thing in every Live2D. Not every streamer cares to hit a key to change expressions all the time, so having the camera pick up the user's facial expressions and transfer that to the character is ideal.

>> No.31210950

Why are Chumbuds so delusional?

>> No.31210960

>>31210752
Tell me you don’t watch Kiara without telling me you don’t watch Kiara.

>> No.31210995 [DELETED] 

its because ame is a fat cunt irl and hates her job

>> No.31211049

>>31210960
Yeah I was about to say. Kiara changes emotions a bunch.

I think Ina does a fair bit too. Though she rarely streams so I've forgotten a little bit what she looks like

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>>31210995

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>"I don't watch Hololive" the thread

>> No.31211159

>>31210960
>Tell me you don’t watch Kiara

So like the rest of the world?

>> No.31211634

Altare is really great at using his. I love his disgusted face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DQ2T2VPJc

>> No.31211706

>>31211074
>Crocodile tears

>> No.31211789

>>31210752
>For example Amelia never does a sad face even during emotional scenes in a vidya
That's cause she's an emotionless cunt

>> No.31211845

>>31211789
But she uses it all the time
Literally last stream, for example

>> No.31211885

>>31210752
Ame is garbage that's why. She's not a vtuber

>> No.31211893

>>31210752
Kiara actually took the time out to change her face when she literally got an IRL cramp.

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>>31211789
>>31211885
Seething on cooldown

>> No.31212242

>>31210752
So you only watch Gura and Amelia, and throw in a vague "JP chubbas" to not make it obvious?

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>> No.31213172

>>31210752
it does depend on the rigging. you can get a lot of emotion out of live2d models even with just making certain mouth/eyebrow movements tied together, making pupils get smaller when you open your eyes wide. that's without any toggles either. I think it is just the japanese style of rigging, it's a lot less expressive that the western vtubers. sometimes it does feel hokey to turn on a toggle when something is happening, but it's something you just get used to doing to make your show of your character better.

>> No.31213415

>>31212242
he's masterfully disguising himself as a chumbud to generate drama
nobody who actually watches gura would ever mention anything related to her model without insulting cover in the processes for not fixing her tracking equipment

>> No.31213649

>>31213415
How devious!

>> No.31213878

>>31210752
>For example Amelia never does a sad face even during emotional scenes in a vidya
She does actually. You've just proven that you don't watch Ame.

>> No.31213952

Miko, Fubuki and Korone make live2d shine

>> No.31214233

>>31213415
Chumbuds are the biggest Ame antis though, i've seen their general.
But they have to deal with an unecessary Gurame ritual spam sometimes so it's kinda justified that they should hate Ame.

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>>31213415

Holy fuck OP.

Here.

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>>31211074
Fixed that for you anon

>> No.31215066

So why is holotech still in 2018?

>> No.31215078

>>31210752
Gura fakes all her emotions, that's why she needs the avatar

>> No.31215089

>>31214991
Fuck webp and fuck cloudflare or browsers or whatever the fuck changes your pngs or jpgs to fucking webp I hope whoever wrote the lines of code that enabled that shit, the mother fuckers who debugged it and the assholes who compiled it get raped and stabbed by niggers alongside the assholes that invented the invisible page covering popup ad shit that covers the screen then when you click anywhere it opens a fuck ton of popups. Fuck those sacks of garbage shit.

>> No.31215152

>>31215089
FUCK WEBP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WEBM IS MY BEST FRIEND, WEBP DESERVES THE ROPE

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they're still doing this same old schtick. it's been over a year. they had a whole art contest of them getting art of them banging

>> No.31215465

Imagine having to press a button to change emotions

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>>31210752
Ame is basically just a twitch streamer behind a live2d model, it's not really fair to compare her to more "vtuber experience"-oriented chuubas. Ina likes to use her facial expressions a lot, for example.

>> No.31216513

>>31210752
ames constant :D face is autistic and funny

>> No.31216573

>>31213952
>miko
>live2d
anon...

>> No.31216761

>>31214233
>Chumbuds are the biggest Ame antis though, i've seen their general.
That's like 2 guys who reply to eachother. Do your thread reps

>> No.31216804

>>31215590
Don't use a picture of my oshi to anti. Fucking vermin.

>> No.31216952

>>31216804
That's not an anti statement though, it's just the niche she fills. Myth's casting seems to have been aimed to cover a lot of different bases, and she's been successful in covering that base.

>> No.31217174

That's because they need to tap a button to change the expression and it's hard to remember to do it during emotional moments. Even for the ones that remember to do it it usually takes a couple of seconds, so often you hear the emotional change in their voices and then it takes a moment for their faces to catch up and it just looks weird.
They need better face tracking technology that actually recognizes and responds to their expressions.

>> No.31217209

>>31211159
New jokes

>> No.31217459

>>31211789
She has plenty of emotion. Mostly rage though

>> No.31217478

>>31210752
>>31213952
It's impressive how quick and on point Migo is with her expression changes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgnJO6rq1HQ

>> No.31217569

>>31213415
Oh nyo nyo you caught me! :o

>> No.31217698

>>31217174
too bad cover isn't a tech company then they could just do it themselves

>> No.31217895

>>31210752
That shit is retarded in the first place. Get better software already.

>> No.31217896

>>31213952
>>31210752
Yeah, Miko is particularly good and fast at changing expressions. It’s the sort of stuff that makes good chuubas great.

>> No.31217939

>>31217174
>They need better face tracking technology that actually recognizes and responds to their expressions.
You think they want that? They would have to smile constantly just to make sure they don't make a weird or sad face.

>> No.31217988

>>31210752
Why are 80% of the react images on this board Holo live react images then?

>> No.31218327

>>31210752
>threadreader

>> No.31218414

>>31217174
>need better face tracking technology
The technology is there at least since 2018. Some companies have developed face recognition that uses iphone's infrared features to accurately detect facial expressions even in poorly lit environments and they can capture micro expressions. This can work in tandem with Apple's Vision API available for developers and so on. I think Apple recently added infrared enhanced facial detection in all phones by default so no one would need to rely on 3rd party apps or develop shit themselves but I'm not sure about that. Basically, the technology is there but they refuse to use it in their holo app.

>> No.31218532

>>31210752
This is such a random ass shit to be pissed about.

>> No.31218671

>>31210946
yeah I wouldnt be arsed pushing a hotkey for every expression either, autodetecting is the way to go

>> No.31218745

>>31217209
> New Jokes
Kiara's numbers ?

>> No.31218883

>>31217174
like I said with >>31213172
You can get basic emotions with rigging. Most western rigged models can actually frown, stick tongue out, furrow brows, etc. It's possibly that even though they are using iphones, their homebrew set up is not as good as ARKit tracking + vtube studio.

>> No.31218932

>>31217939
Wow, it's almost like they're streamers or something.

>> No.31219041

>>31210960
Why did this reddit meme way of phrashing things make it's way over to 4chan? Can you tourists stop announcing yourself like this?

>> No.31219105

>>31213172
Nijisanji uses dynamic expressions and most of the time the "default" expression is a smile, the actor would have to go out of their way to make the character look sad or frown. (Nijisanji Live2D is also stiff and their range of expressions is gimped so they shouldn't be a role model but at least they can change expressions on a dime)

>> No.31219157

>>31219105
Meant for >>31217939

>> No.31219850

>>31210752
Gura has to use expressions since her rigging is shit. Kronii is very expressive even without using expressions.

>> No.31220731

>>31219850
>Kronii is very expressive

Not when she covers her tits

>> No.31221392

>>31210946
Japanese tech company, please understand

>> No.31223243

>>31210946
Doesnt work on chinks

>> No.31223511

>>31210752
A major issue at hololive is their reliance on their own software which is very lackluster to VTubestudio as well as the newer program, VBridger which can be used with VTS to allow for full IOS face tracking.
This is why we can see an average Iron Vertex model looking incredible on a 2view indie, while making Gura look like shit. Holo's software is garbage and wont allow for advanced rigging because its incompatible.

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