HoloEN??

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holojp learns english with holoid
where's holoen?

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>>30879153
Only Kiara and Irys are viable choices from EN
But JPs don't like them very much

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She's fluent in japanese, something only like 3 ENs can say about themselves.
Indonesians are just THE polyglots.

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>>30879236
Likely polyglots are Iofi, Ollie, Reine, Anya, Zeta (if they're fluent in their regional language)

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>>30879221
>But JPs don't like them very much
Anonchama Flare, Choco, Haachama, Sora, Matsuri, Lamy, Noel, Botan, Nene, Polka, Towa, Watame, Kanata, Lui, Koyori, Azki love IRyS. Do your reps

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There's also probably some time zone differences to keep in mind. JP skills lacking in the EN branch.

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>>30879153
Anya can speak Japanese better than anyone in EN

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>>30879698
I was excited when I heard Nene and IRyS went on a karaoke date, but unfortunately no collab.

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>>30879754
>JP skills lacking in the EN branch
No
IRyS is the most fluent Non jp member followed by Anya, Bae and Kiara. 3 of the top 4 are En

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>>30879777
Indof bro, you forgot IRyS

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>>30879777
Irys is native, retardchama

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>>30879672
>Iofi
>Ollie
This is what indos consider a polyglot, naruhodo.

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>>30879698
You don't deny the Kiara one?

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>>30879221
Irys just likes being in the gaijin bubble of Japan and Kiara has the timezone issue. Although in this case, it's a matter of which JP this is. You have to be on friendly terms with the person in question. Nene has Kiara, Sora has Irys, Shion has Gura, Mel has Ame, Polka has Kronii, Lui has Mori, Marine has Ina, etc. While some have ID's as their non-JP friend like Pekora with Moona. I don't know of any EN's who are friends with Matsuri.

>>30879840
That same chart says Baelz is a retard with less skills than any person here so is it really something you want to cite?

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IRyS said Anya's keigo is better than her own
>>30879955
>Sora has Irys
Iofi...

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>>30879895
>Dunning Kruger effect

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>>30879955
>I don't know of any EN's who are friends with Matsuri.
IRyS?
They have hung around a plenty of times

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>>30879153
Holoen cant speak japanese cause they are phony ethots

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>>30879978
Sora has Anya too technically, she's definitely better with ID than EN but she could reach out to Irys if the premise was she needed an EN.

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>>30879978
Only for the honorific speech. IRyS overall is more fluent. And Sora is probably closer to IRyS now

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>>30879978
That's just the usual Japanese being humble, toxic humility

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>>30879153
Occupied shilling the Homos and ridiculing their fans.

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>>30880048
Why do lie anon. Why, are you getting paid for lying? If so please tell me too. Flips like me are poor

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>>30880097
Indog pride, pls understand. Hen won't admit that besides Anya, Bae, Kiara and Ina speak better Japanese than anyone in ID. Not including IRyS for obvious reasons

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>>30879840
>K-son A tier
>Kiryu coco B tier

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>>30880018
If that's true (it's probably not), there is also the matter of collabing on each other's channels vs. hanging out in real life. A lot of the cross-branch collabs between JP/EN are noticeably not promoted by one side. Such as the EN not streaming their POV or pointing people to the content. Anya has no problem alienating people who get bent out of shape over the language spoken on her channel so collabing with JP's on her channel comes natural to her. Whereas Kiara has a whole victim complex about how people didn't like when she spoke in Japanese when she started and so she stopped doing it much.

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>>30880176
I think the point is she has improved. She was terrible initially and learned as she went along.

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>>30879918
I don't watch Kiara enough but on the JP side who like her are Flare, Nene, Subaru and maybe Pekora

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>>30880176
She improved u troglodyte

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>>30879221
Actually Kiara refused multiple times to teach English to JP because she’s not native so she doesn’t feel like it’s her place to do so

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>>30879918
Nobody denies that.

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>>30879221
And Kiara is in Korean RN.

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>>30880164
I am from Pakistan and I can't understand why would you think that. IRys is a whore and her Japanese is nowhere as good as Anya. Granted i don't watches her, but that's because all of Hololive En is cringe. I don't even understand indonesian, but I will prefer watching ID over En and Jp

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>>30879153
>hm, I want to collab with Anya but I don't know what to do
>her Japanese is good and she can speak English
it's really that simple.

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>>30880302
Pajeets, I give you all the permission to kill him

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>>30880302
>Granted I don’t watches her
Then don’t waste our time talking about something you don’t know jack about.

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Forget the JP girls, they'll never understand english without learning phonetics.

Irys should teach Japanese to the EN girls instead.

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>>30880237
Definitely not Pekora, Kiara dropped her a long time ago and any brief acknowledgement they may do of each other is out of social obligation to keep up appearances.

She is legitimately friends with Nene and Subaru though and friendly with plenty of others like Flare but it's hard to quantify these things because she already has next to no relationship with plenty in EN. She's more worldly than that so has plenty of friends but they are randomly scattered across branches and companies.

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>>30879153
>where's holoen?
With me

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>>30880302
>Pakistani
>Hates IRyS
>Thinks ID is better than En and JP
>Indians worship IRyS and Miko
Hmmm I can only wait for the shitstorm

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>>30879153
I liked how Anya flexed her reps back in the MH rise collab
A delightful moment

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>>30880199
I think even chicken has to have gotten over one superchat saying "I think live translating everything you're saying beaks the pace of the broadcast" 2 years ago by now.

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>>30879153
HoloEN mostly know better than to waste their time 'teaching English' to HoloJP who won't actually ever learn the language and just want the Superchats for trying.

HoloJP being perpetually awful at speaking English is the most lucrative way to siphon cash and views from Western fans.

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>>30880302
This is like a 10th time I saw you mention that you are a Pakistani like it's some kind of an honour. Please hide that, it's cringe.

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>>30880868
Yes, Karachi is the second most beautiful capital in Asia, our national intelligenceis the number 1 in the world, we hate Homos and radical people are shit to death. Our economy is having a boom and by 2025, it will double
A perfect country to live in while you burgerland collapse

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how come Lui is so good, relative to other JP?
Also, Matsuru is ID?

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>>30881034
Lui speaks Thai, she's barely Japanese in the traditional sense.

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>>30880364
>>30880461
Sorry, Indian's are subhumans. No wonder they live shit skinned colour people like IRys, lmao. Miko is good

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>>30879840
She's actually Hawaiian with Japanese parents, i wouldn't say that counts as native.

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>>30880302
Oh god not the fucking pakis

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>>30880634
She stopped doing it permanently so it did change her entire view of herself, regardless of if one superchat haunts her dreams every night. She thought she was going to be a bridge between EN and JP and has completely abandoned that idea a long time ago. She tries more to be a bridge between Holo and Niji then EN and JP at this point. There's people from ID, JP and EN who all do far more to bridge the gaps at this point then she does.

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>>30881211
Much better than your burgerland. Will prefer living there anyday

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>>30881162
Parent, not parents. She's definitely not a native Japanese person but that doesn't necessarily mean she isn't native Japanese language. Native language generally just means the one you were raised in. All my family's native language is from a country that hasn't existed for hundreds of years that they've never been to. Some Paki born in a Swedish ghetto isn't native Swedish if they never learned the language. Can Irys even speak Hawaiian?

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>>30881032
Do pakis really?

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>>30881413
And what is this lmao?

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>>30879153
HoloEN is in its walled garden

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>>30881413
Sugoi

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>>30881285
I'm not a fucking burger, I'm from a place where pakis are running wild, though.

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>>30881688
Where again?

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>>30879840
>Sakura Miko
LMAO

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>Anya barely touches Minecraft and mostly likes single player games, so barely collabs with JP
>Botan, who sees Anya as an ID version of her minus the FPS skills, convinces her to try playing the group games more
>Anya eventually starts playing Raft with Botan, and gets to play with some other JPs
>Anya starts playing Rust
>all these JPs who never get to talk to Anya now finally get to interact with her
>one of them is Matsuri
>they run over some collab ideas to do outside of Rust
it's not exactly a spicy rrat

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>>30881413
what the fuck is wrong with them?

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>learns

Yeah right, all these language study streams are useless, nothing but spacha baits, they will not improve, literally zero improvement, ironically Subaru who didn't do any, improved the most

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>>30885356
Yeah, if you watch them thinking they are for learning a language you are definitely retarded. Even someone whose done more of the streams then most (Kiara) has acknowledged that's not how she learns languages. Still, her stream with Kronii was great and one of their only real interactions so it's not like the stream shouldn't exist, it's just not about actually learning Korean which Kiara instead practices in her own time.

Sincere people wanting to learn languages are stuff like in the first Holotori collab Subaru requesting they speak to her in English even though all of them are ESL's and Japanese is their shared language or Sana agreeing to play Kirby with Watame in Japanese so she could practice reading it.

I think it'd be better for everyone if once a month the types who want to learn Japanese like Kronii or Fauna just did a JP-only stream with one of their JP friends. Most JP's are more than willing to embarrass themselves attempting English when they encounter EN members but the reverse is rarely true.

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>>30881740

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>>30879840
>Bae and Mori in C-tier
Are they really that bad?

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>>30881413
I've stumbled upon a porn comic about Pakistani taxi driver impregnating a white woman. It's not only about American nibber anymore, BBC genre is expanding to include Pakistani too.

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>>30879153
HoloID? All I see is two HoloJP member

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>>30879153
ENs do not give a fuck about learning japanese and never will. they don't care about collabing with JPs and don't care that they work for a JP company.
only two of the ENs seem like long timers and they both already know japanese to some degree. the rest? they know they aren't planning on staying long enough for it to really matter since they're already getting by fine without it. there's really no need to learn it for them.

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>>30886895
Bae's much better than Mori but Mori's proficiency is all over the place because sometimes she'd use more complex words she picked up from her rapper friends but would struggle in others. I don't think Mori will improve because hers is "passable" enough for her to communicate and she thinks it's good enough for her.

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>>30886895
If a native Jap says so, then they probably are.

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>>30887347
it is still an opinion of one person based on fragmented knowledge

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>>30879840
has Bae improved since this was made of what?

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>>30880249
This is such a stupid mindset. People who LEARNED the language are clearly better teachers than people who just grew up with it

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>>30880437
More like Pekora dumped her ass the moment she started getting too intense. Look at the history of their interactions and you realize how badly Kiara botched the line


>Immediatly claimed her as her kamioshi on debut
>Imitated a ton of her mannerisms, down to the laugh
>Started complaining about Moona "ironically" during her collab ban period
>First collabs, she starts crying to pekora live.
>Then cries WHILE collabing with Peko.
>Then the whole incident with fanart
>Then the second peko collab with the 9 months joke.

Honestly surprised Pekora even shows up out of sheer obligation to her totsus

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>>30889673
you can see jp comments in some kf her videos saying she understands the language better than them cause it's just instinct for them, like in the teaching gura video

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>>30879153
Did you miss the multiple English teaching streams Mori has done?

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>>30891281
Those are groveling simps anon.

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>>30889989
Don't shitpost about my oshi's friend using my oshi's image.

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>>30879153
>Learning a language seriously is really boring content
>Anya is the most boring member of hololive
it's a perfect match!

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>IRyS fags needing to make shit up about Kiara to prop up their dying oshi
Tell me again, who blew out their throat cause they can't sing for shit?
>All these hologirls love IRyS
Rumao, no they don't. Hafus are treated like subhuman trash in Japan, I still remember watames comment about IRyS table manners, like she expected her to eat with her feet or something, IRyS will always be 2nd class in Japan.

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>>30881147
>>30880302

I hate both pajeets and pakis. I hope they nuke each other to smithereens.

t.Indobros

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>>30879153
Japanese dont like western foreigners. Also id Probably knows some Japanese to ease the process

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>>30879153
>holojp learns english with holoid
But anya is jp?

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>>30889989
What fanart incident?

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>>30880176
during the early days her japanese was rather awful

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>>30879840
I'm confused, B tier seems to indicate fluent or almost fluent and A tier would be more knowledgeable than the average person raised in Japan.
What the hell is God tier then?

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>>30902422
she complained that the first collab didn't have any fanart just with her and pekora but the moment when Moona joined

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>>30879153
Too busy not streaming and hating their fanbase.

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>>30879840
>Miko in god tier
Don't know why that makes me giggle

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>>30902942
God tier is native level
you don't need to be native level to be a decent language teacher.

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>>30879840
>Makes a tier list
>Puts himself in cringe tier
Kek

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>>30903657
That's confusing to me because I thought "How long have you been in Japan" was directed at people who speak like native Japanese but don't look like native Japanese.
And it's very possible for teachers of the language to know way more about it than the average fluent native.

I mean if Bae and Mori are a level below that and their Japanese is better than pretty much the entire JP branch's English.

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>>30903960
>That's confusing to me because I thought "How long have you been in Japan" was directed at people who speak like native Japanese but don't look like native Japanese.
I think it's more like 'fluent for all intents and purposes' but you'll still notice some unnativeisms. like I have fluent ESL friends who spent a lot of time with English media to get wehre they are but you still hear the occasional phrasing or articulation that stands out as not native.
and you're simply not going to get an ESL WF Buckley

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>>30904114
It's weird to me that there are two levels above that then with the top one being just a native speaker.
Because there would be levels above that as well for people who actually study the language.
I mean IRyS is in the top tier but she admits she has trouble with Kanji, which is not even that uncommon for natives.

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>>30879153
Towa is getting Mumei to help her with English. This will be interesting.

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>>30904419
Is Towa's English good enough for that?
I don't really see her use it very much.

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Who cares the only jp girl that seems to be serious about learning english is subura.

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>>30904568
She has apex gamer english

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>>30903960
Anon I was born to zhangs who decided to stop being zhangs. I can speak Mandarin pretty well, and likely better than anyone who tries to learn it as a teen or adult.
I can pronounce everything correctly in a vacuum, but when I put everything together, it’s still really obvious to native speakers I’m not native.
Getting good enough to the point that you can speak a second language as perfectly and as fluently as a native speaker is nearly impossible, and often not really that necessary either. In fact, accepting that you’ll probably never be good enough to get confused for a native, and also that that really doesn’t matter in practical terms.

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>>30904590
*Subaru

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>>30904646
How the hell is that going to work then?
Mumei's Japanese is pretty much nonexistent.
Or are they going to use a third party like Duo to fill the gaps?

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>>30904590
>>30904805
Polka seems to be pretty close to her.

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>>30880302
Do You still have internet? You should just stfu and runaway from your country

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>>30904848
The whole point of collabs like this is making cute noises and clip farming anon.

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>>30904941
Yeah but that's when there is something to generate that, like a game, in between them.
If it's just them talking this is going to be the most awkward cringe stream imaginable.

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>>30900987
Japan is “full of” Westaboos who love “Americans” (Americans being Clint Eastwood, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Steve McQueen, John Wayne, etc). And “full of” meaning like how America is full of weebs who love Avery thing “Japan”.
But the best EN at Japanese and English is Irys, followed by Kiara. Irys is a halpa and Anya has a much better grasp of Japanese and English than kiara. IDs are better at being poly than any westerner.

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>>30905196
>Anya has a much better grasp of English than kiara
What kind of ESL hand wrote this post?

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>>30905291
Austrian also ESL anon.

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>>30893807
Anya is unironically a better teacher than Mori despite the fact that her English isn't that great.
Matsuri instantly understood how to use the phrases she taught her. Actually useful phrases.
Meanwhile, Mori keeps asking JPs what their favorite alcohol is and teaches them ebonics that they don't understand. Most of those streams are the JPs just repeating what Mori says without having any idea what they're saying.
Anya also instantly managed to fix Matsuri's bad pronunciation.

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>>30904702
this, you can enjoy manga and doujins in JP easily with broken japanese, and the enjoyment is only enhanced that you keep levelling up every time you indulge

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>>30905444
Yes, and as someone who is not ESL Kiara's English is miles better that Anya's.

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>>30905572
If you think a public English teaching stream is about teaching English and not entertainment I have no idea what to tell you anon.

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>>30905572
you just reminded me of that moment of her Eikawa with Laplus/Iroha/Gura where she's just saying "What it do?" and stuff and Laplus and Iroha jsut go quiet for a solid minute because they have no idea what's going on, at least Gura saves it with some jokes

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>>30905747
Here comes the defense force. Next you'll tell me that the tier list that native jap made is wrong and that her Japanese is native tier. She just CHOOSES to sound retarded for entertainment purposes.

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>>30905878
I'm not a native Japanese speaker, to me even Bae and Mori sound close to fluent.
I do speak fluent English though so it's easy to tell that Kiara is better than Anya.

If you can't tell it's because you are blinded by bias or ESL yourself.

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>>30900870
Bro stfu, you are no better than the Pajeets. But yeah you are much better than the Pakis. However both of the countries are capable of nuking Indo

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>>30905747
>"You can't be entertaining and educational at the same time"
Pls just shut up cuckbeat

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>>30906890
Mori was literally an English teacher to Japanese students anon.
Don't need to be a deadbeat to realize that the purpose of streams is entertainment.
I haven't watched Anya's stream so maybe she did both better but criticizing the stream as "not educational enough" is real fucking dumb.
It wasn't supposed to be. It was supposed to help mix the Japanese and English audiences more.

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>>30905685
lol

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>>30907175
>Mori was literally an English teacher to Japanese students anon.
Because she is white and american, you fucking retard
>It was supposed to help mix the Japanese and English audiences more.
Oh yeah I always said "すみません酒好きですか、えっとねアンドレ・サンデルス面白いです!"

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>>30909123
If you are that desperate to see which stream succeeded more then all you have to do is look at the views.

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>>30909200
cuckbeat pls

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> Mori is the retard crackhead "tutor" just trying to get money for alcohol.

> Anya is the smart transfer student tutor that's always booked

> Irys is the tutor you'd rather fuck after she tries hard to teach you

> Kiara you would rather throw yourself out the window since she's just as shitty as your incompetent abrasive professor