Kiara doesn’t think Hololive are true idols

[Anonymous No.]

Isn’t this kind of disrespectful, especially to JPs like Korone and Okayu who put in reps to gain the confidence to finally perform on stage? It sounds to me like Kiara is letting her own insecurities get the better of her, I don’t think IRyS or Calli would appreciate not being called idols.

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[Anonymous No.]

Egg is cracking, phew he's rotten inside already

[Anonymous No.]

>and then he said "hating Kiara is a lifestyle! MY lifestyle!"

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking faggot egg seething after his failed fire yab was swept away by gura instead

[Anonymous No.]

It's Kiara. She's always disrespectful. She's been known for being a tactless bitch her entire life she's not changing now.

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>>30183436
To me it sounds more her trying to justify why she isnt, and also not even close to being an "idol"

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>>30183436
>idol
Ok.
Explain what an idol is. Please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183738
she was an idol before, no one watched her though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
I mean, she's right. They're glorified twitch thots.

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>>30183436
She's 100% right, what is wrong with you. How many normal JP idols do livestreaming as their main content? It's not a matter of being "un-seiso" or whatever, its just a matter of what type of content you produce, how you interact with fans, that sort of thing.

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>>30183436
Isn't she throwing her senpai under the bus by saying they aren't idols?

[Anonymous No.]

Gura and ame hate arc is over are we cycling back to kiara now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
She almost hit jackpot. Swap to "EN and ID are definitely not idols."
May Allah strike down EN with lightning.

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>>30183436
Holy based....
She's 100% right since 1/2 of Hololive is whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Gura is a true shark idol
Kiara is a part time idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Holofags in shambles

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sorry Kiara bruised your fragile ego, if you took your meds instead of slurping semen all the time you might have took it as a innocuous opinion instead of the slight you're trying to manufacture with your schizophrenia.

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>>30183864
>OP trying to samefag because nobody agrees
HAHAHAHA

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>>30184026
We gonna get a 30 post wonder again?

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>>30183864
Nah plus some Holo JP already said they didn't feel like an idol, in fact most of them only use the idol image only to joke around.

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>>30183436
EN are not idols, but I hope Gooba Gabba will become one
>>30183900
stop praying to satan

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>>30183909
>>30183690
>wahmen starter-pack

[Anonymous No.]

Well implying that people like Sora and Azki aren't idols is pretty shitty. I doubt she meant any malice by it though, she probably just didn't think through all the implications of the statement before saying it. She has a history of doing this.

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>>30183436
That's a realistic view of what Hololive is.

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You’re telling me THIS is an idol? En especially never (besides mori/Kiara) never danced on a stage in their life.
They’re only “idols” on stage in their outfits singing, and whores while streaming

[Anonymous No.]

anyone who is remotely knowledgeable in idol culture would agree with her.

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>>30183436
They are comedians, not idols.

[Anonymous No.]

Chicken is right. They are streamers that dipped their toes into idol culture.Most of them cant sing or dance for shit.

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>>30184171
Performing pre-recorded concerts every once in a blue moon does not make you an idol.

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>>30183436
She's not wrong. About HoloEN at least.

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>>30184133
>stop praying to satan
If you beg God for help and he doesn't answer you, it's all right to accept the hand of Satan in my conception.

[Anonymous No.]

best answer. She is dammed if she does and dammed if she doesn't. If she says they are idols you will get people saying "i though Kiara was an idol otaku surely she should know they aren't true idols"

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>>30184179
>Gender fluid clock
Yea she will never be an idol

[Anonymous No.]

Suisei creates music, release albums, collabs with famous artists, tops charts, dances on stage, had her own solo concert, long running radio program with famous members of the music industry, has goods and people who oshi her, and is sex
But Hololive girls aren't idols

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>>30183801
Getting paid to sleep with sleazy old japs and make risque cosplay photoshoot to make some money to eat after you get kicked off the idolgroup by your group mates cause you are a schizo bitch. That is what a true idol is.

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>>30183436
its not 1980 anymore you shrieking whore.

[Anonymous No.]

They aren't, and that's a good thing. You niggers think that "Idol culture=not having boyfriends" but that is bullshit, you're just looking at the good side, but Idol culture has a lot more shit going on that hololive has managed to dodge and hopefully it will continue to dodge in the future. Popularity polls with real effects on the group dynamic abandoning the friendly atmosphere for a competitive and toxic one, voting for shit based on the number of CDs you buy meaning a lot of rigging made by deranged schizos that buy hundreds of the same CD just to exclude a singer they don't like, shit like that for example. Unironically, and sadly, Nijisanji actually works more like an idol production company than Hololive with their merch production and promotions, also with their 200 hundred fucking livers that barely interact with one another outside of some pre made units, and even they don't get even close to the shit AKB or other big Idol groups like Sakura Gakuin do, and same shit with male Idol agencies like Johnny's. Read about the history of Idols in japan and what Akimoto brought in with Onyanko Club and you'll understand that Hololive is pretty different to that, and that's for the better

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>>30183808
*failed idol

[Anonymous No.]

Chicken can't think beyond MEMEME and it makes her look like a dumb bitch once again. No wonder she's so unpopular.

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>>30183436
well then she isn't an idol. Its really on her more than anyone, and probably reflects EN more than anything, as they really aren't, though Gura is trying to be one, but there are talents in JP who are making the effort and treating it as such.
What makes an idol anyways? Why are Hololive talents different from idols? They have fans, they do concerts with their own dancing and singing which they have learned multiple times a year. They are marketed by cover and themselves for their personality and uniqueness, avatar, etc. and they have merch which sells quite well. For the most part they also have one level or another of a parasocial relationship with their fanbase, some both ways. Since they fit the definition, and they claim it themselves, the JP side are virtual idols, whatever Kiara thinks.
HoloEN doesn't really have the training yet though, nor the ambition, Gura effort aside, so they aren't really idols, just a streaming group.

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>>30183436
She's 100% right. Only someone who don't know shit about idols would think that Hololive are actual idols.

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>>30184573
Shut up cumshart your normalfag oshi can't even fucking produce original songs

[Anonymous No.]

To be honest real idols are pretty shit singers and dancers who barely put out music so I don't see how Hololive doesn't qualify

[Anonymous No.]

Sounds like she's still salty about being a failed idol reject.

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>>30184608
not a chumbud you dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

Kek These threads are getting brutal.
Thread theme:
Conan the barbarian - cannibal orgy scene
>>30184483

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>>30183864
>Kiara tries to throw somebody under the bus
Shocking

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>>30183436
Kiara is stuck in the past as well as anyone else that thinks that all idols were just music groups, holos could very well be alternative idols, there isn't a set criteria or rules and holos do basically everything that idols could do
>songs
>concerts
>stupid variety shows
>merch, cds, fan meets, etc
Unless kiara doesn't think hololive is brutal enough to be considered idol work then they can be called idols (This only applies to holoJP

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>>30183436
Of all the things you could hate Kiara for you choose this anons? I'm not a fan of her but what she said is true and you know it. Only a handful of holo members can be considered somewhat close to an idol figure while the rest of them are just streamers who occasionally sing/dance but it's not their main thing. People were mad at Ame for removing "idol" from her bio, now you're mad at Kiara and yet you applaud goomba who suddenly proclaimed she's an idol on twitter and does literally nothing.

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>>30184573
I haven't seen Gura putting in even a fraction of the effort the more serious jp chuubas do for their idol work. If she wants to be seen as such but doesn't do anything for it she's just all talk.

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>>30184829
>>songs
>>concerts
>>stupid variety shows
>>merch, cds, fan meets, etc
Frequency is the issue her, honestly. One to two concerts a year, most of them barely have two original songs, they may as well just be larping.

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>>30183436
So you had enough of /hlgg/ constantly laughing at you and fled to the catalog?
And even here everyone is just laughing at you?
Ouch, it must really hurt to be such a loser you can't even hate correctly.
You are too dumb for literally everything, it is almost impressive.

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>>30184915
And barely any Holo does meet&greets

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>>30184605
Ok then what makes an idol

[Anonymous No.]

You can really see who is from the kfp defense force in here and who is able to discuss this properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184283
Sure it does.

[Anonymous No.]

What's new with kiara? Good thing management put her on leash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184915
>>30184959
There's idols that do shit and they're still idols, hell some release an album a year at most

[Anonymous No.]

No shit, even JP Holomem already mentioned that being an idol or not depends entirely on self-identity, many simply don't feel like it and don't consider themselves idols at all, in no way Kiara could force that perspective on them if they don't want to. Suisei being an idol for example, doesn't make other members idols, that depends on the others if they feel like it and if they work towards this objective or not.

>>30184915
>>30184959
Yeah, not to mention other corpos like Nijisanji also has these things, but don't carry the idol identity or status.

[Anonymous No.]

Of course, she will be forever bitter that her roommate never made it big, same has she's always bitter that her numbers are the lowest of EN, it's never enough for narcissists like her

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>>30183436
And she's right, it's mostly a streamer company larping as idol for easy economical incentives (read gachikois)
And yes, i say this knowing some of them are putting out albums, corpo sub-units and paywalled concerts.
I'm not going to write a novel about this but just as a data point, a real life popular idol performs live like hundreds more hours than any in the company does.
Another thing is of course than most in the company are failed utaites that want trying to start a musical career with this streaming being a secondary lucrative step.
But not everything is bad, many of the values, like allowed behaviours for both the chuuba and the fans, and the spirit of being hardworking and interesting for the sake of your fans; are the reasons with (at least in Japan) this culture is inherently superior to the lazy-ass streamers around the world and i'm fine

[Anonymous No.]

She's right. Anyone who says otherwise is a dumbass who needs to do their hololive reps and remember the whole 'they are idols' thing was a fucking meme.

[Anonymous No.]

daily reminder JenMa decided to be kiara's manager to tard wrangle her.

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>>30185136
and there's non-idols that do all that shit much more frequently and even chase parasocial gachikoi shit, and are just normal ass vtubers that don't call themselves idols at all

If you consider yourself an idol or not, it depends on you, a Hololive member can call herself an idol but beyond some jokes, you can't force others to be in the same status as career

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>>30183808
Yes a failed one - important detail in this

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>>30183436
>i don't get what i want so no one else is allowed too
kek if only this unappreciative bitch knows what "they" said about her behind the scenes
https://rentry.org/qrk9n
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1550065172718309376

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>>30185340
The same way kiara can't say that no one in hololive can be called idols, and there's no way she didn't think about JP when she's friends with Nene and she breaks her ass doing idol reps (and was more successful than her rumao)

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>>30185497
She did call Nene an idol though troonchama

[Anonymous No.]

People will laugh and think she's joking , they say "she's right hololive is a comedy company not idol company muh muh" , they won't take her word seriously

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>>30183827
Even Sora's talked about how Hololive is an idol roleplay instead of a real idol group. Why is Kiara saying it such a bigdeal now?

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>>30183436
>being modest is now bad
You people are weird.

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>>30184483
Being the colossal faggot that you are, I guess that makes you OP.

[Anonymous No.]

Should never speak for the others. She is only one of the talents. Not company representative.
There are talents aspired to be idol and imagine what they feel when Kiara indirectly tells them they will never be idols.
Kiara is stuck in the past regarding idol. If she moves on from the past experience she can see new meaning in that word

[Anonymous No.]

If she said HoloEN sure, but why all of Hololive?

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>>30185497
>>30185801
>>30185827
It depends on the person, it's like many Anons already said in the thread:
>>30185678
>>30185166
>>30185166


If you want to carry the status of an idol and work towards it, with all the good and bad things that come with it, it depends on you, not others. The fact that they are allowed to not consider themselves idols is simple proof of this.

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>>30185678
Even worse, this interview was published a few days ago and eggs only started making a big deal out of it today.

[Anonymous No.]

The core of an Idol is a heart that does its best for the fans and constantly moves forward.
Everything else is dressing.

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>>30185401
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

not indepth knowledgeable about idol culture. Whats the usual timespan of an idols career. i always understood it would was like 1-3 years for most and 4-5 for the really successful one with them usually graduating to being a solo pop star actress etc after that. Can any confirm or correct

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>>30185340
Who are these vtubers that do frequent concerts and album releases but don't call themselves idols that you speak of?

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>>30186107
Nijisanji, retard.

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>>30183436
Isn't this like 4 days old now? I swear when this interview was first posted nobody cared, yet now it's being treated as some sort of yab? And she's called members like Watame, Nene, and Sora Idols multiple times before, so I don't think she's shitting on them.

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>>30183436
>put in reps to gain the confidence to finally perform on stage
real idols don't have to do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>30185786
She could say she doesnt see herself as one, that would be modest while also not possibly shitting on her hardworking mates in holo

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>>30183436
she's right holoEN aren't idols, what else is there to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183808
to me, Kiara has always been more of a wrestler

[Anonymous No.]

why wont cover just graduate her already shed do better in phase connect

[Anonymous No.]

>>30186141
Do Holobronies really? Real idols work harder than anyone in hololive ever did

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184537
>>30185371
Same as Nenechi but she would definitely say she's an idol. Kiara is whining because she's a virtual idol and not the flesh version.

[Anonymous No.]

Honest question how many live concerts does the most "idol" member of hololive do in a year?

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>>30183436
Cover corp is a streamer company mixed with idol activities
Not only they contract people that do not have experience with stages and singing (most of en) but they also hire people that are physically unable to perform (sana)
Also please keep crying about it you falseflagging faggot kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>30185987
oh hi kfp you should read this thread >>30100899
as i spent a lot of time on it explaining why mumei is orcschizo and the management's post was truly immaculate

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>>30185895
Do opinions only matter because it's happened recently?

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>>30186116
Was posted during peak shitposting hours yesterday so most shitposters found out about it. I'm not even sure if it was actually posted in the catalog before yesterday, which means that nobody shitposted about it for about 3 days.

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>>30183436
Seems like a HoloEN thing, which would be true. She directly called Watame an idol though, so I think her thoughts are more nuanced than what is here.

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>>30186436
The relevance of your opinion on someone else's opinion depreciates at an exponential rate over time measured in hours.

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>>30186436
If what she said was bad how come it was ignored for 4 days?

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive is the modern efficient Idol company. By cutting out Idol industry autism the girls can really shine.
They push the idols hard in the actual industry because they have a small window of viability before they're aged out.
Virtual idols are ageless so they can just keep them on forever.

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>>30186380
2 at most. Funny enough, Mori did more performance as her roommate in the last year than most holos did in their entire career.

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>>30183436
I mean, only like 5 vtubers in Holo can be considered idols
Rest are just streamers who wear idol costumes from time to time and sing (singing streams are more common than idol concerts though), otherwise they mostly play videogames

[Anonymous No.]

She just doesn't want other holos to be idols because it would somewhat invalidate her
She's supposed to be more of an idol

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>>30185877
The dark side is well known so I don't cover it here.
Idol culture, the one Kiara knows is probably post-AKB era. (Since she's younger than me I don't think she is involved in anything before that)
It was about growing from literally who. Members are scouted on street. They are armature, knowing nothing in singing and dancing. Carried by group.
They learn and work toward a goal. Fans support and fueling their growth. The idols fulfilling their dream is what brings happiness and sense of hope to fans.
One day they grow enough and graduate to move on to next big stage in their life. (Sadly many failed and moved to JAV)

Hololive is similar. Armatures who are working toward greatness. Fans support them and happy for their success.
I never treat idols as professional dances/singers because if you know the Japan music before AKB era you know AKB is shit and carried by the brand, weaker members carried by stronger members.
This is why I think Kiara's understanding of idol is twisted by her own failure. Ability alone is not defining one as idol or not.

[Anonymous No.]

No one in EN is an idol, not even Kiara

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>>30186431
>Mumei is Orcschizo
Stop this delusional shit, you just make Hololive look bad by saying that they would hire that delusional cunt, is your seething at Kiara really that strong that you would shit on Hololive?

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>>30186605
This doesn't work when she's called multiple holos idols before, as stated before in the thread.

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>>30186557
>They push the idols hard in the actual industry
Yeah, in doggie position

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>>30186443
I think somebody posted that snippet on global when the interview was new and most people didn't think too much about it. It only got traction when it was posted today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30186750
Yeah because Eggcords are raiding right now

[Anonymous No.]

The only thing an Idol needs to do is to captivate an audience and have them support her working towards her goals/dreams.
Back in the day the only tools were singing and dancing and meet and greets. Now they have much more efficient tools at their disposal.

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>>30184283
What do you mean? 48 families do that all the time, lipsync and stuff.

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>>30186701
The thing is, I want to know who introduced the "Mumei is orcschizo" rrat to modern schizos. Not to mention that people have created narratives about every council member being orcschizo, yet a few retards latched onto thinking it was Mumei, despite the fact that barely any of the shit connecting.

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>>30183436
Why is it that everyone that was an actual idolfag before Hololive and vtubers say hololive isnt idols but all the fags that never even heard of idols before they became interested in Hololive in 2020 are now suddenly the biggest aidorufags and sperg out if you even imply that Hololive vtubers arent real idols?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30186885
Some of them are Nijikeks that have always been anti-Mumei, because they had hoped that Mumei's roommate would join NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183610
God, what I would do for them to laugh at my dick pic like that on a Discord call live on stream...

[Anonymous No.]

>>30186431
>rrat about RM shit
I do not care about rrats
I do not care about RM
Refer to >>30185987

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>>30186652
Anon, in all honestly I believe you and these other niggers are falseflagging, pretending to be Hololive JP fans because the Japanese take the idol thing MUCH more seriously and are much more strict about the true status of being a real idol than Kiara.

I understand, you guys want to talk about her roomate or something, but that changes nothing, even Sora denied it much more strictly than Kiara did. If you don't even put effort into it, if you don't even consider yourself an idol, then you aren't one. The other Anons that said that it depends on the person and their self-identity are 100% correct.

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>>30187082
I thought it was primarily being used as a way to push that Mumei hates Kiara? Which makes no sense considering Orcschizo doesn't even hate Kiara anymore, and hasn't hated her for over a year now. And I don't know why people in general are trying to bring back orcschizo, just feels strange after seeing that entire arc end only for people to try and use them as shitposting fuel against Kiara a year later.

[Anonymous No.]

I find it interesting how former idols Nene and Kiara are really strong at cultivating a smaller cultish fanbase but are lacking in mass appeal.
Is it the idol training that has them gravitate towards that strategy?

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>>30187239
What I wanted to say is always "don't speak for the others"
Sora has her own aspiration and that's fine. Some JP do aspire to be an idol

[Anonymous No.]

I want Kiara to go to Suisei and tell her directly to her face that she is not an idol.
That would be interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184133
Allah just means god in arabic
It's the same word for christians and jews and they also say inch'allah

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>>30183436
I don't know how this vapid cunt does it but it's just so easy to hate her. Her existence alone makes EN a fucking mistake. She's even more of a vtube Satan than even Coco and Mori. I have never felt this much loathe and disdain towards an entity since I was born 24 years ago. From the bottom of my heart, I truly do wish the worst upon her in anything she does.

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>>30188647
I'd pay money to see that live

[Anonymous No.]

i think people just being dramanigger, i don't even like Kiara but i think she just said Hololive as a group don't really like idol because not all of them even do music let alone focus on it, it doesn't mean she said someone like Sora isn't an idol

[Anonymous No.]

that her problem getting out from japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>30188826
And still, if you would start watching her you couldn't stop. She actually tries to keep a standard, is seiso, genki and doesn't do anal with normie twinks on her days off.

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>>30188826
Chuunichama...

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>>30184573
>>30184608
English speaking chuubas should just stay as streamers. Idolshit isn't really my thing but I see the appeal. An American dancing and singing Jpop wearing frilly skirts just doesn't work. Shit gives me second hand embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.]

like oshi like fans
>Kiara indirectly attacked other speaking her opinion
>KFP insult other talents to defend their oshi

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>>30184525
underrated post, and correct

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>>30188995
who doesn't do music in hololive? EN?
some focus more on music of course, but every jp member does covers and will perform on stage multiple times as idols, i think that is enough to identify them as an idol group

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184525
People have been saying this shit for years and they still cant get it through their thick fucking skulls

[Anonymous No.]

>>30188826
You should try improving on your living conditions

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
>Gura switches her twitter profile to "Shark girl idol"
>Kiara says "Actually I don't consider anyone in Hololive an idol"
I think this was a deliberate snipe at Gura. I can easily see Gura styling herself as an idol getting up Kiaras nose

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>>30183436
I don't like Kiara as a person, but I sympathize with her not getting into Hololive JP. Feels bad seeing someone earnest about idol culture being held back by the fact that EN branch doesn't care about idol culture because westerners are buck broken as fuck.

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>>30189814
Well, an alcoholic, Belle Delphine collab partner being an idol is only a good joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>30188816
Related to the topic, Kiara say Wallah all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

I mean if there's anyone in EN who actually knows what an idol is, it's Kiara. Strange thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
I love Kiara!

[Anonymous No.]

>>30187527
It's their lack of mass appeal

[Anonymous No.]

>>30190023
Thanks for confirming KPFs are active Gura antis

[Anonymous No.]

>>30189709
well the frequency is the problem, if you compare someone like Sora with other girls for example, she on 4th albums, tons of cover songs, tons of appearance on music related events, multiple one-man live, most of other girls not even have 1 album and barely any stage performance, that's probably why Kiara said they are not quite idol and more like part-time idol

[Anonymous No.]

Our women should never be idols. Leave that shit to Japs please. Gura can't even Jap for fucks sakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183947
>>30189814
based shark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
> Do you think the human race is an idol group?
> Generally speaking, no.
> How dare you suggest that not a single person in the entirety of humanity is an idol?!

This is you, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30189980
We wuz bucks
>>30190150
Mass appeal=NT monkey bugman cuck subhuman common denominator.
Idol culture= based and autism
>>30190448
>our women
Anon, i..

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>>30183436
>like Korone and Okayu who put in reps to gain the confidence to finally perform on stage?
Performing on a stage doesn't make you an idol you absolute retard. Kiara is a actual Idol Otaku, and she will not let moutbreathing reddtiros like you water down the meaning of that word.
One of the few things in which she is based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30190664
"I don't reall see us in hololive production as idols"

How's your reading comprehension doing anon?
In her mind she spoke for all in hololive.

If she said that she herself doesnt see her as one, this thread would never have existed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30190232
unironically Mori is the closest to actual idol career line in Holo

[Anonymous No.]

omegatroon hate omegatroon hate omegatroon hate

[Anonymous No.]

>>30188647
Suisei would agree she isn't one. You know nothing about idol culture, or Suisei apparently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Why does this get so many replies? Where is the source for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30191098
cruncyroll expo

[Anonymous No.]

hi OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>30191098
Crunchyroll interview from about 4 days ago. Funnily enough, pretty much every EN's interview besides Ina and Ame caused shitposting when it first came out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30190948
in Holo*EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>30191699
thank you, it was an accidental omission

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>>30186538
Probably because it's the weekend now and more people have time to sift through what happen during the week?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30191374
/vt/ usually shit some on those too, mby their interviews was really bland and non-controversal in every aspect lol

[Anonymous No.]

As a huge idolfag since 2005 I 100% agree with Kiara. No one in hololive is an idol, just dignified streamers. Anyone seething at her opinion is a reddittranny who came to know about idol culture from hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Idols are real people not anime girls on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
>I don’t think IRyS or Calli would appreciate not being called idols
>Calli
>Idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183873
Yes, as it should be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
sadly but true Idol culture is dead at least for 10 years thanks to the west
now it's just j-pop

[Anonymous No.]

>if I cook 3 times a year it doesn't make me a chef
>if I make 3 short pre-recorded concerts a year it doesn't make me a Idol
>if I suck 3 cocks a year it doesn't make me gay

It is not hard to understand.
They are streamers with a little Idol Roleplay. They are as much a Idol as they Kiara is a real phoenix, or Marine is a real pirate, or Mori is a real rapper.

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara is obviously pissed JP management doesn't give a shit about EN as idols so she's trying to start shit lmfao.

Be the change you want to be instead of being a bitch about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30192203
No. Streamlet shitstirrers have no live other than riling up drama. If it was anything to care about it would have been spammed immediately and for days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184475
Suisei is more of an artist than an idol. The idol is just her "lore"

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184475
Some of them are idols who also stream (suisei, sora, azki, watame) but most are streamers who pretend to be idols. How is that hard to understand?

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>>30183436
> I don’t think IRyS or Calli would appreciate not being called idols.
>Mori
>Irys
>Idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
To be fair, she knows how it is to be an idol, and she would definitely feel different about it if she was a part of the JP branch.
Even then, she wouldn't see herself as an idol, KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>30186701
>being a realist is bad
the internet nowadays

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184525
I agree with you on a lot of points. It's for the better that none of the Vtuber agencies are a true idol production group and each talent gets to pursue and cultivate their skills and channels as they see fit. Maybe some people get the wrong impression because they only pay attention to so many of them; plenty are not that different from your average variety streamer while some others are a lot more focused and specialized. It shouldn't be surprising that these agencies do get people with real idol inclinations, but anyone can see it's more 3776 (at best) and less AKB48.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Is being an "idol" really that big of a deal? Seems like a meme title to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
The EN branch is trying to completely disengage with the brand in defense and pursuit of legitimizing western whorish behavior. Stop watching them. HoloJP is the last bastion of hope and it needs warriors to man the gates.

[Anonymous No.]

>failed Idol that worked really hard gets mad that other girls get called Idols with just being charismatic
Nothing new here, is just Kiara having her usual bitch moment....imagine sacrificing parts of your life just for a few girls to be more successful than you are just doing like 20% of what you used to do, Kiara has a lot of bottle up jealousy

[Anonymous No.]

>>30196661
Anyone who knows shit about idol culture will call the hololive girls idols. Just like 90% of this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Kiara is failed idol but still and idol she knows better then most of the girls there was being a true real idol entails so she isnt wrong in what she is saying here.
She means that in time she wants to grow to become a true idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30186240
kek

[Anonymous No.]

Yes I only support Idol vtubers, how could you tell?

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck man, I don't like Kiara, but she's right on this. Have you heard Noel sing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30196610
>>30196661
holy headcanons

[Anonymous No.]

>Last seen 54 minutes ago
Hi Protistology
don't think that we forgotten you here, or on KF, lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>These girls will never change they can't dance, they can't sing, they can't perform....but no...not the precious holo girls...just playing games and doing funny memes AND THEY GET TO BE IDOLS? WHAT A SIcK JOKE!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>30196661
But enough about your mother anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
yes shes right

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOBwf_vsTw
Don't care, they're a true idol group in my eyes

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
They hated her because she told them the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
of course
They hired Mori, Bae and Ollie.
Literally impossible for HoloEN and ID to be an idol group

[Anonymous No.]

>>30190846
I guess it's up to interpretation.

You think she meant that NOBODY in Hololive are idols. I think she meant that MOST people in Hololive aren't idols. We can't really confirm which interpretation is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Lol f ur idol bullshit. Streamers as idols? Thats some jap ideaology

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>>30185180
>same has she's always bitter that her numbers are the lowest of EN
Why do eggs keep claiming this when it takes a simple google search to see that that's Bae (ignoring her minecraft streams but Kiara could start spamming minecraft too and beat her).
Hell she's the number 1 superchat earner in EN.

[Anonymous No.]

holofans ran that joke "holos are idols but don't act like it!!" into the ground back in 2020. Why are they surprised that the streamers got groomed into thinking the same way

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
> Hololive are not true idols
> I'm only true idolfag, I know how to Idol, I'll be only REAL hololive idol
> MEMEMEME

[Anonymous No.]

What kind of idol company can't even fly their talent to Japan?

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>>30183436
Vtuber culture is treated like idol culture in the country that owns the concept, that's the real key here

JP can see themselves promoted and advertised around their country like idols whereas an EN takes a solitary step outside their house and they're non-existent

[Anonymous No.]

>>30200336
you must be an actual retard

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>>30183436
she is/was actually a hardcore idol nerd so just has some typical nerd autism. its not difficult to understand it

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck idol even is? I feel like there's such a broad definition that almost everything could fit if you wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

>Aqua, Subaru, Ayame, Azki, Sora, Suisei, Korone, Okayu, Matsuri, Fubuki, Nene, Miko, Pekora, Lamy, Polka.
Maybe she think real idol need to get rape in public/private
Miko make Pekora a true idol

[Anonymous No.]

And she is correct. Hololive is full of streamers, the idol shit is just the gimmick used to lure people in. It also makes their GFE pandering safer.

[Anonymous No.]

non JPs will never be idols because any time you bring up idols in english you get a bunch of whiny shit about 'idol culture baaad'
so how can you be an idol when they hate idols, kinda defeats the purpose

[Anonymous No.]

>>30200849
You need to learn English before you post on an English speaking forum.

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>>30200752
At the least, producing music of some kind and having a fan/idol dynamic as your core, everything aside from that is an extra. Kiara probably thinks they do way too little idol activities, which is true for EN but even then there are lazy and terrible idols that are still idols, and killing yourself with work isn't an idol thing it's a japanese thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>30201273
>Learn a dead language

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>>30183436
She's right, but her mistake is to point it out.

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>>30200752
Its an idea. Its girl artists who signal through their performance certain values and gatekeep a higher standard for culture. Hence why feminist westoid 3d hags shudder at the sight and try to frame it as pedophilia.

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>>30183436
Pretty sure every single one of them think the same.

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>>30183436
>Isn’t this kind of disrespectful
You are such a soft little bitch.
People have different opinions. Getting butthurt over a benign opinion is something only people with paper thin egos do.

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>>30183900
JP are even less idols.

[Anonymous No.]

Thread theme "it was all revealed to me in a dream", since it's about someone talking about revelations from a dream.

[Anonymous No.]

What in the world are seagulls and eggs coming to. Kiara is literally invincible in current year.

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara's concept of idols comes from when she was abused by the industry and had 10 hour dance and singing rehearsals every day along with a heavily restricted diet all so she could perform to a nearly empty auditorium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30190219
We are not at fault that gura is a lazy self absorbed cunt, despising her is just a natural impulse

[Anonymous No.]

>>30202886
Grimmie throught the same as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
this cunt is just mad that cover wont pay for her shitty music
also everyone who likes kiara is from the philippines

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203182
t. From Argentina

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>>30203233
im from ohio retard
do peenoise know where ohio is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203182
>everyone who likes kiara is from the philippines
TIL New Jersey is an island archipelago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203182
>t. SEAnigger

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>>30184026
> is the one samefaggig

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>>30203261
Maybe they would know if Ohio had anything of worth to know you for

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203380
okay now try again in fluent english

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>>30184459
She wants to be a male idol

[Anonymous No.]

IRyS doesn't even care about the streaming aspect of her job lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive were never idols in the real sense, it used to be that they were "idols haha lol" but at some point people started taking it seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

Where did she lied? She told the truth. Most of these girls would be fired by now if hololive was an actual idol agency. The idol part of hololive is nothing but a gimmick. And the "idol" persay isn't the woman voicing the character the idol is their avatar. It is what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183900
What’s Carl’s power level?

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>>30203470
Irys just wanted to sing. Idk why they even added her to en branch. She would thrive more in jp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203432
Okay let me try, maybe that anon would know what Ohio is, if Ohio had anything that made it famous to people outside of USA

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203583
nta and also a foreigner but I'm pretty sure most people that speak English would be able to point out that Ohio is an American state. Most couldn't point it on a map but they'd know it by name.

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>>30184171
So a few things
1) Dora’s not an idol. Her idea was to do streamer activities and some idol like activities but not necessarily be one. What ended up happening is that her content and personality gave her the image of one amongst the orginal vtubers in the jp sphere. She did lean into a bit more at that’s point and is probably the reason why roboco and gen 1 were marketed as idols. But she is more of an artist then an idol to this day and it’s why she has no problem talking in Stars chat or twice so far dropping into their totsu basically unannounced. There’s also the fact that her currently goal/dream is to be in a concert where Jp, Id, En, and Stars all preform together
2) Azki isn’t an idol. She’s a diva. When she got merged into hololive she was rebranded as an idol but she’s still a diva, as shown by her different style costume in Fes. The good meaning of diva nyo the pretentious one.

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>>30203490
>"It's not a black company and they aren't treated like shit so they can't be idols"
What's with idolfags and wanting their "oshis" to suffer? And before you say "struggling is part of the idol experience", they can struggle and still get treated as actual human beings, they don't need to get into a cosplay wrestling video to be a true idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184573
Nothing in Gura's content counts as an idol. Gura can play at an idol, but her personality is not cut out for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203741
Dora la exploradora?

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>>30202927
She could have made it if she was more genki and hyper optimistic personality, maybe some yoga, small nose augmentation and some luck. Not sure how predatory male Japanese managers are but she wouldnt stoop that low i hope. But then we wouldnt have Kiara now.

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>>30183436
Kiara will never be a Idol. The JP girls are Idols though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30184973
Focus on concerts, music, radio shows, offline work like voice acting, sponsorships, working yourself to the bone. I don't follow irl idols because 3dpd, but if you claim to like idols you should have at least played Idolm@ster.

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>>30203876
>What's with idolfags and wanting their "oshis" to suffer?
I don't want it, but the reality is that almost all of them get exploited (often time sexually) by their managers. The idol industry is almost as bad as the porn industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203904
Yeah, but since she wrote it in her YouTube description that means she is an idol according to anons

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203583
Japanese are the only foreigners I care about and for some reason they love Ohio.
Maybe its because it sounds like おはよう, maybe it's cause there were a lot of automobile manufacturing jobs that brought their friends/family here.
Lui has visited Ohio and some other holos said they want to.

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>>30200752
The orginal, orginal idea is that an idol was a girl, usually some truly new to the scene that has some talent but not trained or cultivated yet, that you supported in their efforts to achieve their dreams. If we go by this behavior the majority of hololive actually does fit this very old school of thought.
But This is why corpo idol nowadays train people to talk and sing normally, interact heavily and personally with fans, and try to sell a dream.
If you want a good example of old school idol culture Macross and Macross frontier are based on it

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>>30204175
I guess I can be a woman then

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>>30184525
thread should have ended here. but while the shitposting is still going I'll just add on that it really is perfectly fine that hololive isn't an idol company. they offer a very different experience while remaining idol-adjacent. I'm sure that's what kiara meant by her statement, since she loves both idols and vtubers and definitely knows better than to claim the latter is truly the former.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30204121
So JP only

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>>30204175
Roberu is more of an idol than her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203930
I hate my phone

[Anonymous No.]

>>30204121
So things that holos do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30204386
Not EN. Gura especially does the least appearances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30203741
>talking to male = not idol
ok retard

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>>30204252
>they offer a very different experience while remaining idol-adjacent
Do idols NEED to suffer to be idols? Are competitions and constant replacement needed for a company to be considered an idol company (cover is a tech company but you get the point). This doesn't explain why they can't be idols when they do everything that idols do, even if it's in a small scale. Hell Kiara never did half of the shit that idols do and she's still called a (failed) idol, she only got a taste of the suffering part but none of the good parts

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>>30204608
Not talking to males also doesn't make you an idol, it makes you a lesbian.

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara doesn't think

[Anonymous No.]

out of anyone here in hololive, Kiara is one of the few worthy of that claim. She was a real idol before and most of her fans know her identity/ open secret. Same level as mori. She knows what the real thing is like.

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>>30183436
>IRyS
She thinks they're comedians.

[Anonymous No.]

The idol moniker might be kind of ironic at this point, but it's still an important facet of hololive, it wouldn't be what it is today if it weren't for Cover and Sora's idol vision. It's not just random streamers under a corporate label but a cohesive unit who sing and perform together. Nowadays vtubers in general, largely thanks to Sora and hololive, are an existence somewhere between streamers and idols.
And while even Sora may not believe she is a "true" idol, she still tries her best to be so. In one of her collabs with Irys Sora very emphatically said that she was an idol when Irys tried to say that hololive weren't real idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205032
>She was a real idol
By all means she failed as one though, Nene has more of a say than her

[Anonymous No.]

*cums on everyone who posted in this thread*

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Doesn’t Cover hold them all to the standards of idols though? They’re still trying to sell you the “pure girl totally seiso who loves only (you)” sctick. Maybe the EN group aren’t idols but the Jp group definitely are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
>Kiara is right once again
>Eggs seethe
News at 11

[Anonymous No.]

The ontology of idols and the entertainment industry is now part of the greater vtuber kayfabe.
If this isn't kino, I don't know what is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30200752
BROCKHAMPTON was an idol group

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205371
>Doesn’t Cover hold them all to the standards of idols though?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>They’re still trying to sell you the “pure girl totally seiso who loves only (you)” sctick.
Nigger where the fuck did you come from and why is your perception of Cover so wildly wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
As far as EN go, they are NOT idols.

> Gura pissing herself while getting fucked by her boyfriend after cancelling a stream
> Mumei having multiple boyfriends
> Sana never streaming and be shit at singing
> Kiara being a wigger

The list goes on. Is not always a bad thing, but HoloEN are not idols in any way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205768
>Kiara being a wigger
Wrong EN? I don't really watch Kiara, and I assume you're talking about Mori.
>>30205331
They're both failed idols, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Why know is this all of a sudden being talked about? Isn't it like 4 days old? I guess it was kind of overdue, pretty much every EN crunchyroll interview caused shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205768
Nobody would be debating this if she had specified HoloEN, but she didn't. She said hololive Production which includes the JPs that are performing in 3D lives every other week or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Gura is an idol though, a virgin one too

[Anonymous No.]

Even JP holostars consider themselves idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205453
I mean, it's Kiara's idol autism in the end. She still doesn't see herself as being worthy of being called an idol, more of a part-time idol, that and her early 2000s and 2010 view of Idols. Still, it could've been worded better, and I don't think she's out to get anybody or drag people down like a few anons here think, she's called multiple different holos idols before. Though it's also up to what the member themselves think, surprisingly a few JP members have shot down the notion that they're idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205768
>Gura pissing herself while being fucked
Sugoi

[Anonymous No.]

>>30206515
yeah, me

[Anonymous No.]

>>30206318
I see you're still in the denial stage

[Anonymous No.]

>>30206514
>thank you for supporting such a worthless person as me
>Japanese style nodding

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205869
Sure but Nene failed more gracefully at least, and it doesn't seem like she holds any ill-will towards her career in it

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205768
Sana was probably the actual seiso one tbhf.

[Anonymous No.]

>So you're telling me *throws out random names* aren't idols?
Correct.
Not a single hololive member is an idol, none of them meet the criteria in any form, they are streamers with the gimmick of being an idol company.

[Anonymous No.]

She's not wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30208633
What is the criteria?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Gura is a voice actress idol. Not all idols do concerts/music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205768
this post was AI generated

[Anonymous No.]

>>30205869

Yeah sorry, obviously meant Mori

>>30206792

Maybe, still not an idol, just a decent woman

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209194
And no idol cancel streams to play with their boyfriend while pretending to be sick or some shit. She is not even voice acting shit outside of her chuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183864
>Sora says that they're not idols but pretending to be idols
*sleep*
>Kiara says that they're not idols but pretending to be idols
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DISRESPECTFULLLLLLL!!!!!!! SHE HATES HOLOLIVE!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183873
Please understand that it was the most reasonable arc

[Anonymous No.]

>>30197278

Not like Noel singing is the worst part. How can you pretend to be an idol and doing soft JAV on side lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209408
pay no heed, it's just a bunch of raidfags replying to each other mixed in with some easily impressionable minds.

[Anonymous No.]

since no one else has made the joke
JP = idols
EN = idles
ID = ID OLs

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
god this dumb bitch i wanna hate fuck and marry her and have a loving family with her

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209194
>This is the chumbud cope

[Anonymous No.]

アイドル
Noun
1. performer (usu. in a boy band or girl group) with an image cultivated to foster a dedicated fan following; Japanese idol
Noun
2. (cultural) icon; idol; star; celebrity; person who is greatly admired
Noun
3. idol (object of worship); image
See also 偶像

Wikipedia definition
4. Japanese idol
In Japanese culture, idols are (usually female) media personalities in their teens and early twenties who are considered particularly attractive or cute and who will, for a period ranging from several months to a few years, regularly appear in the mass media, e.g. as singers for pop groups, bit-part actors, TV personalities, models in photo spreads published in magazines, advertisements, etc.
oh no, hags...

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
The only ones in the company who fit the idol narrative are Holostars.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209817
Pedos love idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209408
And Sora has no problem saying she's an idol multiple of other times, her speech is simple humility, Kiara's isn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209945
>Its okay when Sora does it
Next thing you know, Sora can say she hates all of Hololive and everyone here will say based

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209909
>the guys are the most pure
men are just the best at everything, aren't they

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
>true idol calls out the Holowhores for what they really are
Extremely based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30210030
>Its okay when Sora does it
It's almost like they have completely different personalities or something...

[Anonymous No.]

the rrats are winning

[Anonymous No.]

The part time idol thing is actually fairly accurate. The amount of holo's that actually do side stuff is very miniscule(fubuki, aqua, botan, mio, korone and others).
And since so many of you love invoking her name without knowing what she does, no, Suisei is not an idol, she's a musician, she's driven by creating music constantly, its why she likes Mori so much, they have similar drives.

Hololive just gave her the tools to get her name out there.
>>30210264
Literally has fuck all to do with what was said, you're just bitching cause Kiara said it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209817
>Kiara hate hags
Miosha...

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209607
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>30210323
>Literally has fuck all to do with what was said, you're just bitching cause Kiara said it.
Yeah well it's almost like they have completely different personalities with completely different intentions
>Sora is simply being humble
>Kiara legitimately doesn't think of them and her as idols even if they might as well be
Let's say that they agree for different reasons and Kiara's are founded on the wrong place

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209922
Rindorks stay winning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30210781
So you don't watch Kiara then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30210323
>The amount of holo's that actually do side stuff is very miniscule
Actually the opposite, the amount of holos that do side stuff is very few, ignoring the side branches only Mel, Azki, Haato, Ayame, Choco and Luna barely do side activities (Coco too previously and she was known for it), the rest do stuff like appearances, sponsorships, variety, etc. And by the way, there are idols who focus more on the variety side of the job, you might think Polka couldn't be an idol but she very well acts like one, it's just not your image of stereotypical idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>30211221
Really gonna pull this one on the girl that wears her heart on her sleeve? Her idea of idol is simply too grandiose, she means what she said even if it wasn't malicious

[Anonymous No.]

>>30209408
>Sora says that they're not idols but pretending to be idols
Source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
Based chicken

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
She's just saying what is obvious to anyone who actually knows what idols are normally like and do, which she knows first-hand.

IMO it's kind of insulting the intelligence of viewers to call themselves "idol" vtubers when like 95% of them don't fit that mold in the fucking slightest. Not like it's some huge high honor to be called one, but it's just lazy/false advertising. If Yagoo was serious about it he'd boot several girls out immediately to stick to his guns but doesn't.

He claimed that I think partially to appeal to investors as part of the pitch of what Hololive is supposed to be, and he can always duck behind "they're just role-playing as idol characters, they're not REALLY idols sheesh" when people go "how can you have someone like matsuri with all the shit she's done and said and have it still say she's an """idol"""" in her bio."

[Anonymous No.]

She's right tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30211620
>what idols are normally like and do
Incredibly funny how every post that says this refuses to describe what they think an idol is
Also incredibly funny how all the "idolfags" came out of the woodwork when this board shits on idols any other day, at least in /jp/ there were actual idolfags that could argue why hololive wasn't an idol company (and you could actually argue they weren't back then)

[Anonymous No.]

>>30211432
Your statement implied that Kiara wasn't being humble.
Kiara is the most humble holo in EN, nobody loves her fans more, nobody has told them more how happy she is that they stick by her, that she'd be nothing without them, stuck in a wagie cagie and unhappy.
A far cry from the rest of EN who treat their fans like dogshit stuck on their shoes.

That's my beef with your statement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30212047
KFP... That isn't healthy either...

[Anonymous No.]

how we holding up kfp??

[Anonymous No.]

>>30212843
Pretty good. Just watched the best panel yet with Takotori

[Anonymous No.]

>>30212047
she's the most manipulative and repulsive holo, stop deluding yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30214413
>stop deluding yourself.
Yeah take your advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>30183436
On the contrary, it's disrespectful to actual idols that you think playing videogames on stream is being an idol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>30215186
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>30214413
>yfw even KiwiFarms laughed at your attempt at schizo baiting with 2ch tabloid pages from 11 years ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>30215186
What does an idol do then