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HoloEN intelligence tier list

>> No.29568177

>bae smarter than sana
bae is way too high in general

>> No.29568251

>>29568100
IRyS is the dumbest En and I say that as an IRyStocrat

>> No.29568353

Sana is on a tier above alone
shame she's gone

>> No.29568563

>>29568100
I used to think Kiara was the second smartest in Myth.

>> No.29568602

>>29568100
>intelligence
>half of it is based on educational level
Retard.

>> No.29568644
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>>29568100
This is the realistic list, not the meme list

>> No.29568948

>>29568644
>Fauna
>Mumei
>Exploits audience

>Mori who says she pays 80% of money to the government in the form of taxes
>Doesn't exploit

Hmmm seems sus to me

>> No.29569039

>>29568644
Replace Mumei and Mori and lower down Fauna

>> No.29569181

>>29568100
Bottom half: realize they’re dumb
Top half: think they’re smart (incorrect)

>> No.29569429

>>29568100
OP is not intelligent enough to make an intelligence tier list.

>> No.29569495

>>29568100
This seems like a low IQ person's concept of intelligence.

>> No.29570907

>>29568177
seething sanalite detected
the rrat knows 9 languages and eats college textbooks for sustenance

>> No.29570929

>>29568644
I feel like sana should have her own tier

>> No.29570988

>>29568644
>Mumei and Fauna get targeted after Rust collab
Makes you think

>> No.29571022

when did gura ever even mention school

>> No.29571322

>>29568100
>mori
>at least has a college degree
a degree in drawing is not a real degree

>> No.29571447

>>29568100

explain the ame and irys ranking

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>>29568100
>Nanashi "Lex Luthor" Mumei
>below dumb
You wouldn't get it, you see

>> No.29571484

>>29568644
Accurate

>> No.29571543

>>29568100
Irys belong to the last tier

>> No.29571570

>>29568100
Kiara speaks three languages fluently.

>> No.29571709

>>29568251
>>29571543
why do people keep saying this?

>> No.29571758

>>29571570
And speaks the dumbest shit in all three.

>> No.29571770

>>29568602
>>29569429
>>29569495
>>29569181
>>29571322
>>29571447
It is a valid way to measure them. Mori is a fucking moron and she will admit she is of below average intelligence, but even she managed to graduate college
Ame
>didn't get into college
IRyS
>despite being asian and her sister being an actual doctor her parents decided to ship her off to japan to be a maid for her grandma because they thought she was too dumb for college
Mumei
>failed out of college and is going to fail out of college again and needs a wheel chair
Kiara
>was assigned to like the 3rd or 4th tier of high school where they send the kids who they know won't go to college to learn how to become plumbers and cooks and she still failed out of that
Gura
>literally failed out of high school and is so dumb she automatically assumes all men are smarter than women because she has never met a man who wasn't smarter than she is
>>29571570
>fluently
also speaking multiple languages does not make you smart
>>29570907
speaking multiple languages don't make you smart
>>29571543
>>29568251
please give me some of IRyS's feats of dumbness

>> No.29571833

>>29571570
yes, she is not that dumb. kiara has avoided yabs and found a specific niche for herself....
but the label fits her too perfectly

>> No.29571835

bump ame at least a tier
she build a 3d studio with a few rocks

>> No.29571895

Guys I'm actually smart so i will help you.

None of them is as smart as me.

But if I have to choose the smartest person in them, I will choose ina.

But fauna is the best girl.

>> No.29572170

>>29571770
>also speaking multiple languages does not make you smart
There are a lot of different kinds of "smart", but it should at least bring her out of the lowest tier.

>> No.29572296

>>29568100
>college degree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xGvFOxerrI

>> No.29572426
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>> No.29572476
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Here, I improved my list

>> No.29572485

>>29568602
t. Seething college dropout

>> No.29572726

>>29571770
>It is a valid way to measure them
>fails to justify it

>>fluently
>also speaking multiple languages does not make you smart
being able to do what kiara does is a better indicator of intelligence than graduating college

t. stemfag with a masters from a top school

>> No.29572958

>>29572726
>she can speak more than one language
by that metric, mexicans would be smart and yuropeans would have landed on the moon by now.
Kiara was so fucking dumb that in the weird high school tier system Austria has she was sent to the lowest or second lowest where they send kids that they believe are too dumb to ever go to college. Kiara isn't smart

>> No.29573066

>>29568100
>>29572726
the ones who can read japanese at a high school level are smart for sure, axel studied japanese since he was a kid.. it takes years of effort if you don't actually live in japan
not even all high schoolers pass kentei level 2 and grown adults take still try to pass the exam if needed

>> No.29573399

>>29573066
>the average jap cannot read japanese
wut?

>> No.29573488

>>29571895
Based.

>> No.29573575

>>29573399
yes, japanese struggle with their own language. it's that hard.
compare the literary skills of luna, despite her kayfabe to some of the other JP livers. she breezes reading aloud through all the files in resident evil for example.

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>>29568100
>>29571895
>>29572476
>>29572426
Ina being smart is the dumbest meme ever.
She can parse information better than most of EN but in the end, when she has to think for herself she's still as fucking retarded as the rest of them.
Fauna makes everyone else in EN look like literal retards.

>> No.29573994

>>29573597
Fauna is American and doesn't know how to count using coins. Therefore she is not particularly smart.

>> No.29574067

>>29573994
All them, sans Kiara, don't know how to count coins.

>> No.29574134

>>29572958
>school is a valid metric because look at these people with bad metrics

also, I didn't say being bilingual was an indication of intelligence. kiara self-studied one of the hardest languages in the world for foreigners to learn and achieved a level of fluency that most will never be able to. that's proof of far more hard work and intelligence than you'll find out of the average uni graduate. have you even tried studying japanese?

>> No.29574162

>>29572485
I teach STEM at grad school level and college is about money, not brains. I regularly get “honor students” who end up being redditor retards who can’t into basic logic but firmly believe they’re smarter than everyone else right up until the minute I fail them. I blame overpraise from shit parents. Of course it’s exponentially worse once you leave reality based courses like engineering and math and get into “intullectshuls” tier brainlets.
No way to actually tell based on the zany stories they give us on streams, but offhand, Fauna is obviously well read and intelligent. Mumei has nursing student vibes and seems ok but narrow. The rest are all some flavor or other of fuckup or failure who turned it around and became winners in a new and unique field. Ina is definitely not super smart and there’s a reason she was going to die a disappointment living with her parents, art notwithstanding. She has C student vibes.
A lot of people, creative people, bomb out of society currently. Vtubing gave some a path to success they would never have had and let people shine who never would have been able.

>> No.29574283

>>29574067
Then they are all of below average intelligence.

>> No.29574296

>>29574134
The average student would be left in the dust by a Kiara, with her real world experience and history of hard work.

>> No.29574463

>>29573597
she graduated college, can speak korean, english and japanese (more or less)
Her and Sana are the only succesful professionals out of all of HoloEN.
I mean, yeah, she's not a rocket scientist but she's teh smartest of the bunch.
What are Fauna's feats?

>> No.29574497

>>29573575
how has japan lasted so long and built microchips and shit and been one of the top nobel producing countries if they literally can't read?

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>>29574463
>graduating art school

>> No.29574619

>>29574497
Only the top 1% are relevant for nobel prizes. I mean most of Europe in the XVII century couldn't read and yet the scientific revolution happened there.

>> No.29574628

viewers get a warped perception of their intelligence because their attention is split during streams. they are performing as a character, reading chat, and typically playing a game they've never played before, which is designed to be challenging even if their attention wasn't split. see how smart you are while juggling and tap dancing simultaneously

>> No.29574677

>>29573597
they are all actual retards, that is the point. Fucking Mori is in the second tier and Mori is so fucking retarded she changed her mouse sensitivity instead of brightness in a game
Why do you think Gura said men are smarter? Because she has to talk to the rest of holoEN daily and knows all the girls are retards. Hell, she even mentioned indirectly on the poptart stream that she herself is a retard and is very difficult for management to tard wrangle

>> No.29574679

not a saplingfag so i have no context on fauna being smart. what's the main reasoning

>> No.29574707

>>29574463
feats don’t matter and aren’t IQ, just trivia

>> No.29574711

HoloJP beats them all

>> No.29574716

>>29574497
~20% of your population passing level 2 covers all the grad student candidates you would need
i doubt it's statistically that different from other countries, not like everyone that knows how to post on 4chan is capable of functioning in real life either 草

>> No.29574733

>>29574679
she just is, ok.

>> No.29574757

>>29574573
Ina didn't get an art degree, she got some other degree. If she did she would be better than she is currently.

>> No.29574791

>>29574733
Yes.

>> No.29574816

>>29574134
>have you even tried studying japanese?
No, I am heterosexual

>> No.29574830

>>29574707
>feats don’t matter and aren’t IQ

retard alert.

>> No.29574871

>>29574757
The best thing she could do for her art is drop art school.

>> No.29574885

>>29574711
onion...

>> No.29574926

>>29574162
The girls are probably in their early to mid 20's, is it still possible for them to pursue a degree or have blown their chance? Like, if one of them wanted to pursue a PhD in astrophysics, it's it still possible?

>> No.29574944

>>29574733
she's phenomenal, for a woman

>> No.29574947

>>29574711
EN are retarded but so is around half of JP.

>> No.29575025
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29575025

who's dumber?

>> No.29575023

pretty sure the boomer from homoen is the smartest by far kek

>> No.29575045

>>29574926
It gets harder as you age, but it is never impossible.

>> No.29575134

>>29574816
then you're probably a vshojo false flagging faggot

>>29574926
people go back to school in their 30s all the time. some even older

>> No.29575137

>>29574830
Low IQ dipshit alert, your degree is toilet paper and that’s why I’m your boss and your landlord, and always will be. Gotta run, watching videos of predditors like yourself crying over Biden telling them that they are in fact paying back their own loans.

>> No.29575174

>>29574947
Korone has a degree in philosophy from Tokyo University, she's surely the smartest Holo, she just pretends to be retarded because she holds her audience in utter contempt.

>> No.29575176

>>29575025
That artist

>> No.29575202
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>>29574497
Learning runes are no joke anon.
>>29574573
The only valid excuse for applying to an art school is so you can learn how to use photoshop or other online applications. Applying to an art school just so you can learn how to draw seems like a waste of money.

>> No.29575211

>>29575025
??? Luna is probably one of the smartest holos

>> No.29575253

>>29575137
>being rich makes you smarter
double retard alert.

>> No.29575258

>>29574679
I get the feeling she's pretty well-read by the way she expresses herself

>> No.29575424

>>29574679
Fauna and Ina aren't smart. It is just Mori, Mumei, Gura, and IRyS are actually retarded
>>29574162
ok, and Mori was able to figure out how to pass college and get a job. Kiara fucking wrestled dressed as Evangelian and was homeless and Gura played with my little pony
>>29574134
literally why would I want to learn another language?
>>29574296
Kiara doesn't know how to do multiplication. She said herself she is just as dumb as Gura and Mori for math
>>29574619
>>29574716
I just don't understand how a society can function, especially with an economy as capable and culturally relevant as japan when they have like a 20% literacy rate. Didn't South Korea come up with a new writing system since they hate Japan and wanted to be able to actually read?
>>29574628
sure, but also a bunch of the girls are legitimately dumb

>> No.29575461

>>29575253
its correlative, but not proof
you totally rejecting it probably means you don't know much about IQ

im sure it would asspain you to hear that education doesn't increase IQ, and life outcomes correlate more directly with IQ regardless of education

>> No.29575535

>>29574707
feats are the only way to measure them, we aren't giving them tests. I was also going to point out IQ tests are only really valid if the person you are testing has an IQ below 115 or so because they are a diagnostic test to see if a child is a retard and needs to be in special ed, but considering EN, I don't think that is an issue

>> No.29575575

>>29574871
She is self taught and it is fairly obvious if you yourself had any art training. She didn't drop any art school because she never went to one in the first place.

>> No.29575695

>>29575424
>ok, and Mori was able to figure out how to pass college and get a job. Kiara fucking wrestled dressed as Evangelian and was homeless and Gura played with my little pony
sounds like mori wasted her time while kiara and gura had a blast

>> No.29575738

>>29575535
>IQ tests' purpose is to detect retards
lmao
>we aren't giving them tests
actually people's estimates of the IQ of somebody they talk to for awhile are incredibly accurate, a test isn't needed to guess at G, which is actually what we're talking about here

>> No.29575793

>>29574926
I could see one or two of them retiring from tubing, getting bored, and going back to school for a vanity degree with their Holo megabucks. Happens all the time with people who strike it big young. Not something like physics though unless they really had an existing lifelong passion for it and this was their goal all along. A Bae type, maybe, but not an Ina (who has her life path set in stone at this point).
Midlife crisis boomers who come in go for easy things, and often flake out. Or else there are occasional mid- career people seeking further education, mainly for certifications to switch into a better paying version of their current job. Like you can do fieldwork for 20 years and know far more than any teacher in some careers but be hard capped in progress until you have that paper to have the letters appended to your name. Then suddenly you can get new titles, promotions and raises despite the objective fact that the classroom time and reading were largely filler for you. My wife is in this boat right now. Her experience is second to none and she’s the one who trains baby doctors in her lab. But she’s out of promotions to get until she goes back for a second degree, despite the fact that there’s literally nothing they can teach her. The suits make these decisions.

>> No.29575871

>>29575461
>Muh iq
You can have the highest Iq, it doesn't mean shit if you only jack off all day.
Your accomplishments are what matters.

The smartest living men are probably Andrew Wiles and Grigori Perelman and they are not rich, and while their IQs are probably high, they aren't the highest either.

>> No.29575937

>>29574162
>there’s a reason she was going to die a disappointment living with her parents, art notwithstanding.
For one thing she is literally moving out right now, and beyond that multi-generational households are not out of the ordinary for asians.

>> No.29575952

>>29575253
This is why you’re poor. Poverty is a moral quality and an IQ test, btw. Which is why if I lost if all and started from scratch I’ll still end up as your boss, but if you won the lotto you’d be poor again inside 2 years. Stupid = poor and poor is who you are.

>> No.29575996

>>29575871
>Your accomplishments are what matters.
ok sure, but we're talking about intelligence specifically, what kind of cope are you bringing up out of nowhere?

>> No.29576026

>>29575535
Then you can’t measure them. You can’t even make a guess.

>> No.29576041

>>29575937
yeah, i was gonna say, my younger brother is late 20s making 6 figures and still lives with our parents because they all prefer it that way

>> No.29576153

>>29575575
I can tell she’s self taught, yes, due to her success and extremely high skill level. Makes it clear.

>> No.29576176

>>29571770
Irys has a middle school level understanding of the English language. She mentioned on the Chadcast that she looked at Eiken Grade 1 test and thought it was too difficult for her. The EIken Grade 1 test is high school level English.

I'm saying all of this as an Irystocrat who thinks IryS is head and shoulders above everyone else in EN in terms of talent and entertainment.

>> No.29576205

>>29575871
Unlike people like Jobs, Bezos, Gates or Musk who couldn't in a million years comprehend the level of mathematics Perelman and Wiles handle, and whose main talents are just lying, swindling, exploiting and promoting

>> No.29576249

>>29575937
*was

>> No.29576286

>>29575952
>t. 2019 bizlet currently down 90%

>> No.29576300

>>29575575
please enlighten me on how it's obvious, does she neglect some fundamental skills you learn in academia or what

>> No.29576317

>>29575996
What? Your intelligence is measured by your intellectual accomplishments. How is that cope?

>> No.29576319

There are different kinds of intelligence and most people that cares about IQ are usually stupid.

>> No.29576331

>>29576205
>barking at how unfair things are instead of dealing with reality
low iq
>inb4 the retard thinks this is a defense of anybody in the post

>> No.29576418

>>29576317
no, it isn't, the concept of intelligence is generally referred to as G and has nothing to do with accomplishment

>> No.29576459

>>29576176
>being raised bilingual means you are both esl and jsl
There really is no winning in life, huh?

>> No.29576463

>>29576331
Can you read, you stupid moron? I never complained about things being unfair.

>> No.29576476

>>29575738
>lmao
that is literally why they give kids IQ tests in school. IQ isn't some magic thing. If someone taxes the same IQ test multiple times they will get results a few points apart so it really just is to measure how many SD from mean intelligence you are and the people making actual IQ tests don't make them for smart people. Go find like a mensa test or some other circle jerk material. The actual literal point of an IQ test like they give out in schools is to detect learning disabilities and they aren't accurate if you are above the top 67th percentile or so
>actually people's estimates of the IQ of somebody they talk to for awhile are incredibly accurate,
wow, you can tell someone is a retard by talking to them. Good job

>> No.29576492

>>29568100
I disagree with kiara - she may not be good at school, but knowing like 3 languages at least makes you kinda smart.

>> No.29576523

>>29576300
when they uphold "well-read" as a marker of intelligence and use "self-taught" as a pejorative, what they're really talking about are credentials for their club. they look for proof of membership in the way others act and behave

>> No.29576535

>>29576319
>t. nigger with "street intelligence"
the kinds of intelligence all correlate with each other as well, with genetic variance determining which is higher

>> No.29576553

>>29574162
>I teach STEM at grad school level

Things that never happened.

>> No.29576642

>>29576176
Most freshmen in college have a middle school level understanding of English (and most everything). Or worse. Kids come out of high school and go right into remedial classes something like 80% of the time now. In short, current high school is what used to be middle school, and college is just high school, teaching high school subjects they should have learned long before. Politicians are well aware of this crisis but all they know how to do is throw money at it, which is the one thing proven to never work. So now we just import kids who can do math.

>> No.29576678

>>29575023
I'd assume all of homoen are smarter than the girls. I am not going to watch the fags though

>> No.29576691

>>29576553
Not that hard desu.
That anon probably just TAs for a course they took before.

>> No.29576821

>>29575134
>then you're probably a vshojo false flagging faggot
nah, I only watch Gura and sometimes Pippa.

>> No.29576832

>>29576418
Marilyn vos Savant is the person with the highest IQ in history. She did jackshit with it. Someone like Perelman or Wiles completely mog her. The IQ just measures how good you are at taking a test.

>> No.29576901

>>29576476
you're producing one use of an IQ test, and to a specific class of people, and then asserting it is the principle use, which is wrong
its strange you know of how IQ scores are calculated via standard deviations and a population average, but you think these are only relevant to retards, that doesn't even make internal sense
>you can tell someone is a retard
well yes but you thinking all of this is for retards is retarded, the average person can generally guess at somebody being higher IQ as opposed to average, and like I already said, they get close to the actual score

>> No.29577103

>>29574463
fauna has a bio degree and was an actual lab assistant in a research lab

>> No.29577135

>>29575695
>while kiara... had a blast
anon, please promise me you will believe that and never ever watch the video

>> No.29577165

>>29571770
>Mumei
>failed out of college and is going to fail out of college again and needs a wheel chair
Literally none of this is true

>> No.29577207

>>29576832
you're confusing intelligence with everything that goes into success, just stupid
>measures how good you are at taking a test
no, that's not how that works, and that criticism was made and the tests updated to reflect that issue before you were even born

>> No.29577238

>>29576319
Nope, IQ is universally applicable and valid and most importantly has immense predictive power. There are other good traits like charm, conversational skills, or whatever. But IQ is scientific fact, period. You can say it isn’t the only measure of a nice or interesting or imaginative or fun or good person. But pretending it’s not a hard, cold, factual part of reality is cope. Intelligence is measurable and quantifiable just like height or weight or blood pressure. People cope because they want it to be some fuzzy modern stand-in for “souls”. But your brain is hardware and you are very accurately measurable. We are already deciphering the exact genes that determine your intellectual potential and this will continue. Very soon it will be basic knowledge for everyone that a given set of genes determines your intelligence just like we know which ones determine your hair color. It’s not mysterious.

>> No.29577248

>>29576535
I have a master's but keep on arguing about IQ numbers.

>> No.29577338

>>29576041
It's a good deal honestly.
>Oldest generation can retire sooner because they're supported by their kids.
>Middle generation gets a free house.
>Youngest generation is cared for by their grandparents, easing the burden on their parents.

It was common in the West too until people all fell for real estate ads during post-war boom.
Now that the boom has ended Boomers can't retire, millenials are getting fucked by real estate costs, and zoomers were raised by Youtube.
The nuclear household is a scam.

>> No.29577356

>>29577135
I have the video of her getting her pussy blasted. I made it.

>> No.29577364

>>29575424
You're vastly overestimating human intellect. All you need are a handful of people competent enough to tell the masses what to do.

>> No.29577486

>>29574926
the major roadblock to continuing education is time and all kinds of grown ass people still do it, even for advanced fields
it even used to be the culture that companies would sponsor masters and phds but now we live in a time where kids go into debt for coding bootcamps and pray they get picked up by a unicorn

>> No.29577497

>>29577248
just further proves the point that education doesn't impart intelligence. The concept is more challenged (and remains) than anything in your field

>> No.29577566

>>29576691
Good guess but no, currently looking on getting out of education and into private sector after 6 years teaching mostly compsci at a state school. Set up and ran the lab here for a few years and desu got pushed into education. I’m the disinterested prof you hate because I have no passion for teaching. Many such cases. I am going to ditch this hellhole and go make money so I might actually retire some day.

>> No.29577663

Kiara did not finish school and lacks lots of book knowledge, true.
But she did not drop out because she was too dumb, she was constantly bulled and depressed and escaped into her daydreaming, focusing wholly on anime, manga and japanese culture.
She then decides to leave the country and follow her dreams, going to japan at the age of 15, trying to become an idol herself and paying for it with many mini jobs like working in convenience stores, as waitress or shrine maiden.
She speaks 3 languages fluently and 2 more to some degree.
She is not stupid, she only lacks proper education.

>> No.29577714

>>29576901
>you're producing one use of an IQ test, and to a specific class of people, and then asserting it is the principle use, which is wrong
>its strange you know of how IQ scores are calculated via standard deviations and a population average, but you think these are only relevant to retards, that doesn't even make internal sense
because anything else is just a jerk off contest and there is no reliable metric to measure how smart someone in the top 3rd of the pop is because how do you make a test to test how smart smart people are? It is like when they try to prove that women who are carrying a mutant type long or medium color receptor gene might be able to see extra colors, but no one can make a colorblind test everyone fails.
Anyone trying to measure IQ for smart people is just jerking off and the only real use for it is to test retards
>well yes but you thinking all of this is for retards is retarded, the average person can generally guess at somebody being higher IQ as opposed to average, and like I already said, they get close to the actual score
the scores aren't accurate above 115 or so. An average person can tell you they are talking to someone smarter then them but odds are they cannot tell you how much smarter someone is and again, there isn't really good testing methods for that unless you think muh MENSA jerk off society is a good metric or something

>> No.29577763

>>29576832
Now THIS is a low IQ post, complete with hastily done wikipedo factoids thrown in you looked up 5 minutes ago. And no, success isn’t relevant to IQ. You just said, “that person isn’t 6’ 3” tall because they never won any basketball games.”

>> No.29577862

>>29577497
It’s literally unchallengeable. It’s more settled and evolution or plate tectonics. IQ is fact. Period.

>> No.29577968

>>29575253
zip code is one of the best indications of where a person ends up in life

>> No.29577977

>>29577238
>But IQ is scientific fact, period.
No it isn't, it is just an exam that is weakly related to intelligence.

>> No.29577982

>>29577862
>"IQ is fact"
>Can barely type a coherent sentence

>> No.29578019

>>29576300
I am not necessarily talking about academia. I am talking about art training. It can be from a private school or atelier, doesn't have to be a college art degree. And i said that she is clearly self taught because she obviously lacks proffesional training. You can see it in her painting process, her lack of anatomical knowledge and problems with perspective that she encounters sometimes just to name a few.

All that i refuted was the anon who claimed she had proffessional training when she doesn't. Nothing wrong with being self taught and she obviously still manages and makes her money. Won't answer any more because i can't be bothered with all the takofags defending their mid-at-best goddess

>> No.29578056

>>29577763
there isn't any realiable way to measure intelligence other than achievements. If we didn't have a way to measure height then success in basketball would have to be the only standard.

>> No.29578117

>>29577862
>it's settle
by whom? Do you have any proof?

>> No.29578173

>>29577714
>how do you make a test to test how smart smart people are
Easy, which is why it’s been done so many times, so accurately. Your constant cope, projection, and womanlike emotional arguments give away your real problem, though. You don’t LIKE that IQ is fact. You are childishly, emotionally opposed to the cold, hard reality that your mind can be easily and accurately quantified. But that’s just the way it is. Life isn’t fair, people are not equal and never will be, not everyone is handsome, or smart, or tall. Your beloved pet and your mom will die and you have to deal with it. IQ is settled science and you have to deal with it as well.

>> No.29578187

>>29576176
IRyS didn't go to college did she? She is hapa and her sister is a literal doctor. I have to think for IRyS's parents to let her get away with not going to college and then ship her off to be her Grandma's caregiver she has to legitimately have been diagnosed as being a retarded when she was in school. Like maybe she had cancer as a kid, because children who get chemo end up retards (granted the alternative is death via cancer). It might be why she is depressed or whatever. Imagine your sister is a doctor and you know you could have been smart but it was robbed from you via something outside your control

>> No.29578250

>>29577977
Nooooope lol

>>29578056
IQ reliably measures intelligence.

>> No.29578368

>>29577862
Measuring "Intelligence" by IQ is like measuring overall strength by jump height. It's an isolated part of a complicated system and you can get better with practice even without building muscle.

>> No.29578400

>>29577714
>there is no reliable metric to measure how smart someone in the top 3rd of the pop
yeah there is its called IQ retard, thats how the test works
>its like [analogy]
no it isn't because on one hand, you can study around a nebulous thing without having direct access to it in order to understand it. We knew about genetics before we knew about genes for example. On the other hand, they're literally "finding the genes" and the research is getting tighter and tigher allowing for less room to wiggle out of it with faggotry. People like you come up with these challenges completely unaware that people more intelligent than you have already brought up those critiques and they have already been addressed
>Anyone trying to measure IQ for smart people is just jerking off and the only real use for it is to test retards
no, and there are proxy tests for IQ that correlate with the test utilized in things like the military, the NFL, or the SAT. Actually using IQ tests would be illegal in many cases because of discrimination.
>the scores aren't accurate above 115 or so
no, its higher than that, iirc after 130 or 140 because of the limitation of the test
>but odds are they cannot tell you how much smarter someone is and again
this is you just saying shit, they have put this to research and you're wrong
>MENSA
I don't give a fuck about mensa, does their existence bother you that much that you keep bringing them up?

the actual IQ tests administered by professionals are highly predictive of a shitload of criteria society generally considers to be valuable, more than education, cope more

>> No.29578514

>>29577862
>its more settled
when I said challenged I meant attacked, not that it's legitimately disputed anymore

people in this thread disagreeing are literally 30 years or more behind, which ironically has only since gone in IQ's favor

>> No.29578520

>>29576492
If knowing multiple languages made you smart India would be a super power, but instead they are shitting in the streets and trying to scam people's grandmas

>> No.29578587

>>29577977
>weakly
predictive validity is all that matters and it has that in spades, its actually ridiculous how predictive it is

>> No.29578598

>>29578173
settled by whom, you double nigger? You just keep repeating it's a "fact" and it is "settled". Do you have anything backing up your claim?

And just for your information, I actually have a high IQ and it didn't do jackshit for me, I am still a loser. You probably have a mid IQ yourself and use it to justify your failures.

>> No.29578616

>>29578173
Wow kind sir, very cool and logical! take my updoot!

>> No.29578663

>>29578368
no it isn't, unless you're using the word intelligence to mean something else, most people mean what psychologists refer to as G, and that is accurately measured by the test

>> No.29578721

>>29578173
NTA but anon, IQ tests are for a very specific subset of abilities and skills that were thought to aid in producing academic results, they don't really tell you much in a general sense. They're nothing close to a "quantification of the mind" or whatever you're peddling, and that's so downright retarded and against the essence of what the tests even are that I have to wonder if you're just trying to provoke the other guy or if you're really this much of a teenager.

>> No.29578722

>>29575952
> Which is why if I lost if all and started from scratch I’ll still end up as your boss
Anon, you aren't smart. You're just delusional.

>> No.29578774

>>29578117
IQ is settled science, with more reliable predictive power than a lot of physics. I find its predictive power when applied to criminality particularly fascinating. Nobody in genpop can ever seem to score well on IQ tests. The question is, do morons commit more crime or is it just that morons are just who gets caught? I think it’s a bit of both. Smarter people are less likely to commit crimes but also more likely to get away with it when they do. Has to do with ability to understand cause and effect. Low IQ jailbirds very often cannot understand how they ended up there lol. Stems from their inability to understand hypotheticals. People who, when asked to say predict what would happen if they ate X for breakfast, will respond with “but I ate Y for breakfast”.

>> No.29578864

>>29568644
Huh
I never thought about this but this seems pretty true

>> No.29578930

>>29578774
low iq retards in jail most likely because they have low impulse control and higher time preference, which explains recidivism rates as well

>> No.29579006

>>29578774
you're just a seething racist who needs to feel better about being a low class white, lmao

>> No.29579037

>>29578663
>>29578400
If you solve a difficult intellectual problem that makes you mroe intelligent than somebody with a high IQ who hasn't done anything with his life.

That's the most useful definition of intellgence. People like Newton, Einstein, von Neuman are considered geniuses because of their accomplishes, not becasuse of some shitty test.

If you just define it as the result of some test it loses any meaning. What good is it for some Joe Six pack to have a higher IQ than Einstein? ask 100 persons who is the more intelligent and they will all answer that Einstein.

>> No.29579081

>>29578774
>Smarter people are less likely to commit crimes
Blue collar crimes*

>> No.29579128

ITT: People that doesn't know what intelligence means.

>> No.29579155

>>29577356
ok? I don't think anyone cares enough about chicken to care

>> No.29579187

>>29576176
she looked at it but she never actually studied for it, did she?
not an Irystocrat but i don't think it means that much. i'm not well versed in her roommate matters but it seems like she had a hard life being divided in 2 places, not that surprising she couldn't really settle down and study like an average kid. even people like child actors have private tutors for that kind of thing, and these are often because their parents already have money.

>> No.29579240

>>29578250
No it doesn't. How can you explain someone with a lower IQ understanding something more complex than someone with higher IQ?

>> No.29579337

>>29579128
Care to give us a definition? You can just type in Indonesian if you're more comfortable with that :)

>> No.29579380

>>29579337
It's the score you get when you take a IQ test

>> No.29579388

>>29579187
Idk, as a native English speaker I could literally ace that test in my sleep. I know IRyS is bilingual, but her English is clearly below average if she thinks that test is hard.

>> No.29579390

>>29578368
Nobody’s ever denied that you can get smarter with effort. We understand how that works largely due to application of IQ, btw. You’re basically getting into nature vs. nurture, another thing IQ tests have accounted for since many decades ago. All very stale, well-understood stuff. People can see that they’re short with their own eyes and face that fact early on, but want to believe intellectual capacity, an equally objectively measurable fact, is somehow still subject to what is, in the end, magical thinking. Sure you can be short, but bust ass and practice and play better ball than most much taller people. You can study and read and get life experience and be better at, say, math than a higher IQ person who slept through class. But you’re fucked when that taller guy also practices and works out because like IQ, height is just objectively a gigantic edge not everyone gets born with equally or fairly.
It’s just life. I’m fairly high IQ but much worse at math than my wife because she didn’t space out in calculus like I did. Effort takes you a long, long way.

>> No.29579472

>>29578721
Nope, not at all the case. Not even in the 1950s.

>> No.29579538

>>29579006
Noooope lol. Intelligence is biology btw, not magic.

>> No.29579544

>>29579037
>If you solve a difficult intellectual problem that makes you mroe intelligent than somebody with a high IQ who hasn't done anything with his life.
no, it doesn't. It is certainly worth more and it is a measure of something, but its not "intelligence" (G)
>That's the most useful definition of intelligence.
no, you're just conflating the word with something colloquial. What people (wrongfully) think intelligence means and the scientific concept being studied are two different things. People will also generally call somebody who makes a poor decision stupid, but this is of course not scientific either
>People like Newton, Einstein, von Neuman are considered geniuses because of their accomplishes, not becasuse of some shitty test.
yea? this is not a criticism of intelligence as a scientific concept. They are almost certainly able to achieve such things in the first place due to higher IQs

>If you just define it as the result of some test it loses any meaning.
its not, the test just measures intelligence, the score on the test is not intelligence just like a ruler isn't height itself
>What good is it for some Joe Six pack to have a higher IQ than Einstein? ask 100 persons who is the more intelligent and they will all answer that Einstein.
non sequitur, and it's irrelevant what the public thinks about a scientific concept, the public is a. stupid and b. propagandized

ultimately you're just autistically hung up on using the word intelligence when another would be more accurate

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Niggers you're all wasting your time having retarded arguments with retarded people about arbitrary definitions for intelligence and fucking IQ tests of all things.
If you're so smart that you consider yourself capable of educating others in what being smart means the go fucking DO SOMETHING with your shitty excuse of a life instead of wasting it shit flinging in sorry excuse for a bait thread.

>> No.29579580

>>29579472
What do the 50s matter? People were retarded back then, and psychology was barely a field.

>> No.29579628

>>29579390
I just knew you were a mathlet.

>> No.29579658

>>29579564
shut up, let this be a containment thread for /pol/schizos and SEA schizos

>> No.29579787

>>29579240
intelligence is like having more tools and being able to use the tools better. Ultimately using the tools to make something better is achievable by somebody with "worse" tools, just not as easy or likely

having knowledge of something is a different concept than your potentially ability to obtain that knowledge.

>> No.29579956

>>29579390
This tells me you've never seen a game of Basketball in your life.
Anon just use an analogy you're actually comfortable here, it's a fucking virtual youtuber board.

>> No.29580013

>>29579564
genetics and IQ research is my hobby passed down from my grandmother, why are you assuming I'm wasting my life because I'm talking about my hobby?

>> No.29580159

>>29577663
Kiara doesn't know how to do basic math and got put in the high school for dumb kids who aren't going to college before she dropped out
>>29577968
unironically yes, because poors make shitty parents because all poors are lazy retards
>>29578173
I've never said IQ wasn't a fact, you actual retard. What I said is there is no reliable way to measure IQ after it goes over a certain number and anyone who is muh IQ is just jerking off. IQ is a very good diagnostic to tell if someone is a retard, average, or slightly above average. IQ tests don't really work well for very above average people because that isn't what they are designed to measure unless you want to join the circle jerk rick and morty club
>>29578400
>yeah there is its called IQ retard, thats how the test works
IQ test do not reliably measure or differentiate people in the top 3rd percentile other than saying they are in the top 3rd. That isn't why they are given out.
>no it isn't because on one hand, you can study around a nebulous thing without having direct access to it in order to understand it. We knew about genetics before we knew about genes for example.
I have at no point said IQ wasn't a thing or that it isn't genetic. I just said if you are one of those >muh 140 IQ retard the test only said you were above average but isn't a good diagnostic for how above average. Bae allegedly is above average. I highly doubt Bae is actually 98th percentile like her number says she is.
>no, and there are proxy tests for IQ that correlate with the test utilized in things like the military, the NFL, or the SAT.
Again, those tests have upper limits and margins of error. Beyond a certain point they don't measure accurately
>no, its higher than that, iirc after 130 or 140 because of the limitation of the test
CITATION NEEDED
>this is you just saying shit, they have put this to research and you're wrong
CITATION NEEDED. Which fag circle jerked so hard he needed a test to figure out who was 90th vs 92nd percentile?
>I don't give a fuck about mensa, does their existence bother you that much that you keep bringing them up?
>the actual IQ tests administered by professionals are highly predictive of a shitload of criteria society generally considers to be valuable, more than education, cope more
No, I am just saying you are circle jerking over a test designed to diagnose kids with being retarded and are misapplying a tool to measure retardation to try to say you are the smartest ever

>> No.29580179

>>29579390
you're a retard that isn't how it works
you can't increase G with effort (well technically you can but its incredibly temporary and only in children)
and IQ tests don't "account" for nature vs. nurture, that doesn't even make sense
>im fairly IQ
no you aren't

>> No.29580295

>>29578930
Low impulse control is also predicted by IQ. And this is related directly to inability to link cause and effect. If you or me are at a mall and see some dude leaning over a balcony yelling at somebody below, we might think of shoving the annoying guy off the edge into the fountain below. But before you even process that impulse, your mind has stepped in and determined that the effect would be you injure him then go to jail. The low-IQ dipshit I interviewed a few months back was in this exact situation and pushed the guy, putting him in a leg brace and himself in jail. He just didn’t even understand the question no matter how many times you ask “why did you do this knowing you’d go to prison on 5 charges?” There’s no way to rephrase it, his IQ simply precludes him ever understanding. That’s inability to process a hypothetical in play, a shortcoming that is easily tested for and present in criminals very commonly and another group I have a decade of personal experience wrangling, literal Down’s tards and actual shit flinging autists. They have less than a child’s ability to determine cause and effect. You could test IQ to predict the invariable problems this causes with near perfect accuracy but we don’t because then you end up with Minority Report dystopia shit. Fear of that is why there is this Flat Earther tier pushback against the scientific reality of IQ.

>> No.29580319

>>29579544

There is no scientific concept beign discussed. And the "scientific concept" is not relevant at all to our discussion. We are discussing about what girl is smarter.

For this purpose, or for discussing the intelligence of any individual the IQ is completly irrelevant.

When I say John, is smarter than Billy what I mean is that John is more knowledgabe, more cultured, able to understand more complex concepts, and with more intellctual achievements.

What I don't mean is John has a higher IQ than Billy.

IQ is not useful at all when investigating who is smarter between John and Billy.

It may be relevant when studying large populations, or the effect of CO2 on children, but it is not relevant at all for the discussion at hand, you are just a pedant and an idiot that can't understand that a word can have two different meanings depending on the context.

>> No.29580409

>>29580013
Take a step back
>you're arguing retarded things with retards
Take another step back
>you're doing this on some faggot's shitty bait thread
Take another step back
>You're doing this on a board specifically for mongolian animated girls played by E-Girls
Take another step back
>You're on a mongolian basket weaving forum
Take another step back
>You're doing this on either a Friday night or a Saturday
Take another step back
>You're alone
And now, ask me how I know you're wasting your life.
But that's it from me, 2 posts is enough, this thread is fucking depressing and actually motivated to go my reps or some other productive shit.

>> No.29580451

I haven’t read a single thing in these long ass posts I’m only here to say that I want to marry a hag and start a family with her

>> No.29580507
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>>29580451
based

>> No.29580513

Holy Fuck mucho texto

>> No.29580534

>>29580451
Only based post in this thread.

>> No.29580617

>>29578774
Yes, IQ tests work very well for retards and retards are retards. Amazing! Your nobel prize for hating niggers is in the mail

>> No.29580636

Gura is actually the smartest
most geniuses are high school drop outs actually
Gooba knows a lot more than she leads you to think

>> No.29580702

>>29580636
true, Gura knows what my cum tastes like.

>> No.29580744

>>29579787
Nobody, except teachers, cares about your "capacity to learn" though.
And in colloquial discussions about intelligence, people care about only about what you have already learned, not about what you can learn.

>> No.29580782

>>29579187
Her sister is an actual medical doctor. IRyS might have had some things pushing against her, but she is also legitimately dumb

>> No.29580816

>>29580636
>most geniuses are high school drop outs actually
no they aren't
>Gooba knows a lot more than she leads you to think
proof?

>> No.29580921

>>29580159
>IQ test do not reliably measure or differentiate people in the top 3rd percentile other than saying they are in the top 3rd. That isn't why they are given out.
it does
>i just said it isn't good for how above average
no, originally you insisted it was for retards, and you're 115 estimate was too low
>these tests have upper limits and margins for error
nevertheless, they are more accurate and measure higher than you are implying
>citation needed
no
>90th vs 92nd
>circle jerked
weird, more accurate research and test refining isn't driven by people jerking themselves off, it's driven by wanting more insight into intelligence

let's just acknowledge that we've progressed from "the test is only useful for retards vs not" to "oh it can't rank ridiculously smart people". The tests work, they can classify people more than the public understands and leftists will admit, and the predictive validity is scientific and usable to both explain and correct society
>circlejerking over a test designed to measure retardation
this is such a bizarre statement to make when you have so far acknowledged accuracy up to 115
>misapplying a tool
I'm not talking about my intelligence, how insecure are you? I haven't even claimed to be highly intelligence in the thread. I and apparently psychology, think G is an important subject of study and IQ tests are accurately measuring intelligence with *extreme predictive validity* which is *all the matters in science*

the whole its only for retards thing is fresh cope I've never heard before lmao, where the fuck did you even get that from?

>> No.29580953

>>29580816
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1492259806710841353
you could start with the most basic of twitter reps

>> No.29580970

You can tell the anon going on and on about IQ is actually a midwit because he is in social science and not physical science

>> No.29581006

>>29580921
holy reddit spacing

>> No.29581105

>>29580319
>There is no scientific concept beign discussed.
kek im not even gonna read the rest, this is just a twilight zone at this point

>>29580409
I'm an attorney and I was working until 11, I don't go out on fridays. You're getting mad at me for enjoying my hobby, and projecting extremely hard.

>> No.29581108

>>29580013
based as fuck racist grandma

>> No.29581180

>>29580744
I don't think you understand what capacity to learn fully entails. It goes way beyond education

just read even a single article on the G factor for god's sake

>> No.29581213

>>29579544
>and it's irrelevant what the public thinks about a scientific concept, the public is a. stupid and b. propagandized
No. That's just the common definition of the word, and this common definition is the one we are using for this discussion the discussion ITT.

>> No.29581243

>>29581108
her hobby was autistically researching our family tree for 20 years

>> No.29581262

>>29581180
I admit your defeat.

>> No.29581363

>>29568100
They're all women, so they're all dumb.

>> No.29581408

>>29580921
Can you tell me what is intelligence? What is the difference between IQ and intelligence? Is it possible for a person to be more intelligent than someone with higher IQ?

How do yuu know what Hololive girl is more intelligent?

>> No.29581449

>>29581213
no, it really isnt. the common use of intelligence generally means your mental ability, you're trying to confine it to achievement

when I talk to you, I have no idea what your level of achievement or education is, but I *know* you aren't intelligent anyway. How is such a thing then possible?

>> No.29581497

>>29574573
Do your reps properly anon. Ina didn't graduate from art school

>> No.29581509

i have an associates in art. Therefore i am more qualified than the majority of vtubers. get on my level

>> No.29581572

>>29581449
Are you saying that you can understand more complex ideas and solve more complex problems and yet have less mental ability than someone who can't?

>> No.29581615

>>29581105
anon why would you think that having a job means you're not wasting your life

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>>29580451
>>29580507
post more hags

>> No.29581674

>>29580921
>it does
nope. No one cares other than to use it to diagnose retardation and occasionally push kids into gifted programs
>no, originally you insisted it was for retards, and you're 115 estimate was too low
the test literally is for measuring retards. That is why we fucking use it and give it out to kids. To see if they are retarded and need to be put in retard class
citation needed
>weird, more accurate research and test refining isn't driven by people jerking themselves off, it's driven by wanting more insight into intelligence
Sounds like they are pretty big retards if they went into social science instead of physical science
>let's just acknowledge that we've progressed from "the test is only useful for retards vs not" to "oh it can't rank ridiculously smart people". The tests work, they can classify people more than the public understands and leftists will admit, and the predictive validity is scientific and usable to both explain and correct society
My stance has been the same the entire time. It is a good diagnostic for retards, but we cannot accurately measure very high IQs so anything related to high percentile IQ is just a circle jerk since we can't get accurate measurements.
>this is such a bizarre statement to make when you have so far acknowledged accuracy up to 115
115 is like only 67th percentile, it is retard tier
>I'm not talking about my intelligence, how insecure are you? I haven't even claimed to be highly intelligence in the thread. I and apparently psychology, think G is an important subject of study and IQ tests are accurately measuring intelligence with *extreme predictive validity* which is *all the matters in science*
see, psychology is stupid because it isn't chemistry or physics.
>the whole its only for retards thing is fresh cope I've never heard before lmao, where the fuck did you even get that from?
literally the reason we give out IQ tests is to diagnose kids with being retarded
>>29581105
Chet, stop sperging out you fucking retard
>>29581243
based Nazi grandma trying to tie her linage back to hitler

>> No.29581714

>>29580921
>and you're 115 estimate was too low
*your

>> No.29581773

Wall of text everywhere

>> No.29581813

>>29581408
>what is intelligence
synonymous with G, measures mental speed and comprehension, generally
>difference between iq and intelligence
the difference between a ruler and height, one measures the other
>Is it possible for a person to be more intelligent than someone with higher IQ?
the question is wrong
>how do you know what hololive girl is more intelligent
so here you would only be able to speculate, personally I would look at how they talk and react to things. They're putting on masks to varying degrees so it's hard to really tell who is actually retarded

>> No.29581933

>>29581572
I'm saying it's possible, yes. You seem to be confusing the capability of somebody to understand and solve with the actual achievement of doing so.
Moreover, discussions about intelligence are dealing with averages not barring rules

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>>29581617

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>>29581937

>> No.29582017

>>29581615
>anon why would you think that having a job means you're not wasting your life
that wasn't what I was addressing, but should I just say my dad works for nintendo and I am god?

>> No.29582112

>>29574926
you can get an education at any age.

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>>29581996

>> No.29582115

>>29581674
>That is why we fucking use it and give it out to kids.
again, you're listing one use and asserting it is THE use. We give it out to adults and use equivalent proxies elsewhere all the time that bar low IQ people generally from things.
We're just going in circles because you confuse necessaries with absolutes, have a good night retard

>> No.29582196

>>29568644
>genious
anyone who thinks your list is worth anything is as much of a dumbass as you are

>> No.29582206

>>29582115
*necessaries with sufficients

>> No.29582222

>>29581449
>>29581572
Let's say for example, that we have two kids:
Johnny with an IQ of 130
and Billy with an IQ of 140
Johnny is privileged and learns various langauges, learns music, gets a PHd in Physics, etc.
Billy is poor and just fucks around in his farm until he's 40.

Under my definition of Intelligence Johnny is smarter than Billy, if intelligence is mental ability then Johnny is able to do complex math problems, able to understand Latin, able to compose a symphony. As you can see his "mental capacities" are greater, there isn't anything Billy can do that Johnny can't.

And yet under your definition of intelligence Billy is smarter, because if they had had the same opportunities, then Billy would have outperformed Johnny.

Even though now at age 40, no matter how many all-nighters Billy pulls he will never be on par with Johnny.

Can you see why your IQ dogma is wrong? Johnny is more mentally capable, able to learn faster thanks to his experiences in learning too, and yet for you Billy is smarter.

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>>29582116

>> No.29582279

Kronii have a degree? On what? When did she say that?

>> No.29582432
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>> No.29582530

>>29582279
its a misconception from ESLs. she has third degree burns from her time in the army.

>> No.29582541

>>29582222
>And yet under your definition of intelligence Billy is smarter, because if they had had the same opportunities, then Billy would have outperformed Johnny.
yes thats literally how it works
>Can you see why your IQ dogma is wrong?
no, you're just insistent on using the wrong terminology because you have a hang up about the word

your use of the words capable and mental ability are wrong.

compare it to a computer. billy has better hardware and worse software, johnny has worse hardware and better software for the task of [life]

ultimately having better software in your examples achieved better results, but that doesn't render the underlying reality about the hardware wrong.
>dogma
ironic

>> No.29582584

>>29582115
A. they absolutely do not bar people from playing in the NFL for failing the wonderlick
B. We give it out to adults and use equivalent proxies elsewhere all the time that bar low IQ people generally from things.
Like I said, we give it out to test people to see if they are retards. That is what I've been arguing this whole fucking time, Chet

>> No.29582601

>>29568948
>fauna
>mumei
>not exploiting their audience
reps

>> No.29582658

>>29582222
And returning to the basketball analogy. Saying that IQ is intelligence is like saying height is basketball ability.
It's the same as seeing a 7 foot man an claiming he's better than Michael Jordan. Yeah, maybe had he trained since childhood he would have been better. But in the real world Michael Jordan is better.

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>> No.29582707

>>29582658
>Saying that IQ is intelligence is like saying height is basketball ability.
no it isn't, thats just you using the word wrong

>> No.29582724

>>29582541
Lmao

>> No.29582817

>>29582724
thats how it works, computers are actually a good analogy

>> No.29582849

>>29582530
KEK. But being serious now, does she really have any sort of degree or it's just a rrat?

>> No.29582865

whats the proof that ina is smart I don't watch EN much

>> No.29582879

>>29582584
He doesn't understand what intelligence means, for him intelligence= IQ, everything else be damned.

>> No.29583064

>>29582879
no, both of you are incapable of reading, let along understanding the concept

he keeps confusing the necessary and sufficient, like thinking I directly referenced the NFL when talking about barring people

you're dumber than he is though, continuously advocating for an unscientific definition of intelligence that is based on your retarded understanding of what the average person thinks

and then the icing on the cake is
>intelligence= IQ
when I laid out several times that IQ merely measures intelligence

you apparently DO need a high IQ to understand IQ, lol

>> No.29583138

>>29583064
What is the scientific definition? And why is it relevant to the case at hand?

>> No.29583193

>>29571770
Man, this sounds like something an incel would write

>> No.29583301

Actually my good friend Kiara is the smartest, strongest person on this planet and has had my back since the beginning. She did so much for so little of it. Even once, I asked her to read my journal that I couldn't use. A pity. A pity for me because of how she made me who I am and for how long she had me. Maybe this isn't just this game, but some other experience as well…" (The memory of the meeting is still vivid)

"How long did my friend Kiara spend with our hero," I look over them to see if Kiara thinks of them.

"Not only that, but we talked a lot over her," the old man answers.

"Well," I pause just a trace as I recall her saying that he couldn't give her up anytime soon because he couldn't find a place for her on her own in my old life. I'm sure Kiara is now going to see that this is just a temporary inconvenience.

"He was only interested in studying for two things. One he didn't want anymore in his life, but two I asked him to stay with when he was in the dark. He decided he'd spent his time to take more time to spend with me, to help me write these letters from time to time. He wanted to live as normal, even if he needed to take a break from talking to other people, to think about himself more, to reflec

>> No.29583308

>>29568100
I dont watch Fauna but I dont think Bae is smart at all.
Other than that, decent list.

>> No.29583344

>>29575738
>actually people's estimates of the IQ of somebody they talk to for awhile are incredibly accurate,
Sounds like bullshit. She just "sounds smarter". Lmao, good argument

>> No.29583400

>>29568644
Mori and Kiara do after party stream after every song release to milk SC from fans. Those celebration streams are the true exploitation yet the retards on vt don't even comprehend this simple method.

>> No.29583482

>>29583064
>he keeps confusing the necessary and sufficient, like thinking I directly referenced the NFL when talking about barring people
you literally cited the nfl by name when talking about proxy iq tests
>>29583193
cope

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>>29582849
she has a PhD in Linguistics, member her if you want the details

>> No.29583642

>>29583584
more like she has a Ph in my D

>> No.29584711

>>29568644
and thats why gura vibes so well with fauna and mumei

>> No.29584938

>>29575211
explicate.
please.

>> No.29585028

>>29571770
>automatically assumes all men are smarter than women because she has never met a man who wasn't smarter than she is
Where's the lie?

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>> No.29585292

>>29585028
no one is saying it's a lie.
they're saying she's never met a man smarter than her,
despite some really dumbfuckers swinging their dicks out there,
and if James Damore is even slightly right, the dumbest men
are much dumber than the dumbest women.

>> No.29585329

>>29585292
*dumber, not smarter, than her.

>> No.29585346

>>29568100
Fauna didn't know what coins were right?

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>>29573994
>>29574067
>don't know how to count coins
You gotta be shitting me
Everyone I know were either taught it or figured it out on their own when they were toddlers

>> No.29585559

>>29585346
yeah, but that isn't because Fauna is stupid. It is because Fauna is like a Rothschild or Rockafella or some shit and is super fucking rich so she never deals with coins. Proof is that she streamed, got on her family's private jet and met Gura and Kiara and then flew back home to the east coast the next day to steam again and then flew back out to cali a week later for an off collab with Bae and Mumei

>> No.29585880

>>29585559
iirc it’s because kiara had half dollar coins for some reason and nobody recognized them.
but it does seem odd that fauna just flew there to see people despite what it must’ve cost.

>> No.29585960

Maybe Vesper or Magni can put together a choco sensei level quiz so we can put the matter to bed officially.

>> No.29586162

>>29575424
>Didn't South Korea come up with a new writing system since they hate Japan and wanted to be able to actually read?
Yes and that was a revolutionary historical event. Most countries have this issue; people just need to know enough to get by. Speaking, up until the age of the internet and remote access, has always been more than enough.

>> No.29586256

>vegan
>smart
does not compute

>> No.29586266

>>29573994
>is American
Irrelevant, half the civilized world is American
>doesn't know how to count using coins.
Irrelevant, use a credit card

>> No.29586326

>>29577103
BIO MAJOR

>> No.29586339

>>29585559
Why can't I be a rich spoiled whore :(

>> No.29586395

>>29586339
Think long and hard about what you just posted

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>> No.29586432

>>29586339
Literally why do you think Gura the jew keeps calling Fauna "Mommy"? Because Gura is trying to marry into wealth and is fine with eating tree pussy to do so

>> No.29586521

>>29575424
>Didn't South Korea come up with a new writing system since they hate Japan and wanted to be able to actually read?
Nah. South Korea came up with a new writing system because the king hated China and wanted commoners to be able to actually read. Hangul predates the first Japanese invasion by 1 1/2 centuries and the actual colonisation by 4 1/2 centuries.

>> No.29586888

>>29586418
Kiara is 2 tiers too high

>> No.29587021

>>29586521
>wanted commoners to be able to actually read.
kind of based

>> No.29587187

>>29575253
>my only real accomplishment is a degree in something useless. I'm so smart, I make no money.

Retard, no one cares you have a degree in physics if you have no money to show for it.

>> No.29587722

>>29578721
>NTA but anon, IQ tests are for a very specific subset of abilities and skills that were thought to aid in producing academic results, they don't really tell you much in a general sense.
IQ is designed to be a quotient for General Intelligence
>They're nothing close to a "quantification of the mind" or whatever you're peddling,
There is, it's called General Intelligence and sometimes 'g' factor.

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I like to imagine myself as being dumber than all of them.

>> No.29587832

>>29587187
>Intelligence is determined by how many normal people recognize you for it
That's new

>> No.29587977

>>29587187
TIL every philosopher was stupid

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>>29587991
Almost correct but gura is actually smart, the gura dumb lie is a kfp psyop

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>>29588061
Gura dum.

>> No.29588569

>>29582530
She should have stayed away from the burn pits

>> No.29588916

>>29585292
?? Even the dumbest of men are smarter than the smartest woman, wtf are you talking about?

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>>29568644
>it's the "chuuba is actually a genius puppetmaster psychopath who mind-controls everyone into liking her" episode
They're just entertaining, okay?

>> No.29589023

>>29573994
Why would anyone use coins in this day and age? I don't think I've handled physical money in 10 years now. Just use a card.

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>Enter thread
>Literal Rick and Morty redditor arguing on the fucking 4chan streamer board about how he is smarter than everyone else without a hint of irony
Good thread just because I am laughing

>> No.29589213

>>29589023
I've eaten 4 nickels this week alone

>> No.29589290

>>29574679
I mean, we realistically have no way of verifying their actual IQ, and I'll say as a sapling that Fauna has many "streamer moments" when she can't find her way out of a wet paper bag in video games.
However, relative to her peers, she has a good vocabulary, she's interested in (pop-)science, she speaks clearly and concisely and tends to be better at video games if she invests herself into them. There are also hints that she has some sort of biology education.
Aside from that, Fauna has shown herself to be pretty wise. She's good at communicating and avoiding misunderstandings. She knows when to stop talking, when to support her peers, and when the moment is right to crack a joke. She almost never clashes with anyone else. (Again, this is less "book-smart", but I still think it qualifies, since a lot of it is exactly what's needed in a streamer.)

>> No.29589307

>>29587977
Except Adam Smith.

>> No.29589464

>>29578774
>IQ is settled science, with more reliable predictive power than a lot of physics
Haha wow, you're an actual moron. I think IQ can be useful in certain ways, but this statement is just ridiculous.

>> No.29589485

>>29577135
>anon, please promise me you will believe that and never ever watch the video
where is it anyways? it got deleted off youtube years ago and I never got to find it again

>> No.29589558

>>29580744
The most important quality in a potential employee is their ability to learn new things/pick up new skills. You can have aced every test at school, but if you stumble every time you bump into a new problem you're worthless.

>> No.29589699

college degree means nothing. mori may have higher education but ame obviously has more life experience and emotional maturity.

>> No.29590269

>>29574679
extremely broad vocabulary and big pool of general knowledge

>> No.29590359

>>29568100
How is Bae at the top?
I have seen 0 evidence of her being anything but average at the very best, can someone please enlighten me?

>> No.29590388

>>29568644
This guy probably thinks jake paul is the smartest man on earth cause he knows how to get views on youtube

>> No.29590464

>>29585028
She made some joke while they were playing rust and schizos blow it out of proportions as usual

>> No.29590538

>>29578187
Genes dont work that way
No amount of good health will unretard you

>> No.29590548

>>29568100
>bae
>smart

>fauna
>a literal veggie
>smart

>> No.29590585

>>29568100
>haha gura dumpfff!!!!
>the meme is realz!!!

Imagine making a meme just, and then a retardo actually believing its reality

>> No.29590625

>>29590548
you are a very special child if you think your diet will affect your IQ a noticable amount

>> No.29590630

>>29571770
>assumes all men are smarter than women

Do you know the reason why in every cerebral task such as chess or any esport/sport...

Women play on a different league than men?...

>> No.29590674

>>29590625
Its not about diet

Its about being a moron in order to choose the veggie life

You literally have to be mentally retarded to choose that specific diet

Fucking retard lol

>> No.29590715

>>29590625
And also yes diet and supplements can affect your IQ if you take them regularly

Just making the jump from 100 to 120IQ is like comparing a 10 year old child with a teenager

>> No.29590744

>>29590359
>>29590548
yeah, that would make her top 3 in holo considering the majority of the girls have shit reading comprehension and are literally below average in intelligence. In the world of morons, the midwit rat is queen
>>29590538
I'm not saying good health will unretard you, I am saying if you give a kid chemo it literally gives them brain damage and makes them retarded. It is like feeding a kid lead paint
>>29590464
>joke
>>29590630
oh, they had on this American life where a raging dyke feminist decided to take the troon pill and they asked it what was different and the 2 things that the troon said was different about being a man was that it was now checking out women's asses on the subway and that it now was interested in math and science and never was pretestosterone

>> No.29590814

>>29590674
thats like thinking your taste in music or clothes could determine how smart you are

>you are a very special child
my point stands

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>>29590744
>the troon said was different about being a man was that it was now checking out women's asses on the subway and that it now was interested in math and science and never was pretestosterone

Well I have the suspicion that testosterone does increase focus and therefore intellect among other things

Theres a big deal we dont know about the brain and chemicals and even structure, we basically know next to shit

>> No.29590888

>>29590715
Obviously if you somehow accomplish a vitamin deficiency or the likes but that is besides the point.
You could accomplish that as a non-veggie as well...

Also you gotta be fucking retarded for a feat like that in a civilised country

>> No.29590911

>>29590744
Fauna was upset that she had to play as a man so gura told her its fine cause men are smarter
How is that not a joke they are talking about fugly ass player models in rust

>> No.29590914

>>29590814
Deciding to eat exclusively vegetals is not the same as just listening to a genre of music or types of clothes

You massive moron lol, the shit you consume via your mouth has obviously way more impact than just external shit

You fucking retard lol

>uh yeah ingesting shit into your body is JUST the same as the types of clothes you wear

Lmao, imagine

>> No.29590926

>>29568100
Mori Calliope is dumb as fuck.

She didn't know Canadawas bigger than the USA. That's like 5th grade knowledge.

>> No.29590951

>>29590914
But you previously said its not about the diet...
And now you go back to it being about the actual diet.
Can you make up your mind please?

>> No.29590977

>>29590888
Idk veggies are simply retarded for liminting themselves that much because of their emotions

>Oh noo poopy animals suffer I cry :( i now eat veggie, oh and its healthier.... just because it is ok???

Jeesus

>> No.29591015

>>29590951
>But you previously said its not about the diet...

I never said its about the diet

I said its about the mentally retarded decision making skills you have to have in order to decide to be a veggie

Are you fucking stupid? you cant even follow a simple conversation

Jesus christ you have the brain of a 8 year old

>> No.29591041

>>29571770
Mutt detected.

>> No.29591046

>>29590951
>>29591015

Its like you cant follow a SINGLE point of any of what Im trying to explain to you

Its I N S A N E

>> No.29591054

>>29590977
I agree and I'd never be able to live as one.

But assuming one is actually of low intelligence for it is a cheap move imo.

>> No.29591117

>>29591015
>You massive moron lol, the shit you consume via your mouth has obviously way more impact than just external shit

>I never said its about the diet

Do you perhaps have problems with reading comprehension?

>> No.29591123

>>29591054
>But assuming one is actually of low intelligence for it is a cheap move imo.

Not really, sure its not a 100% asserted shot

But if you see a person wearing a diaper and a pacifier in public, among other giveaways like Idk chris chan-type clothes and behavior

Would you assume that person is truly smart?

I for one havent seen a single person that is truly smart that is a veggie

Midwits yes, a lot

>> No.29591220

>>29591117
I never said its about diet

I said that you have to go be stupid in order to decide to be a veggie

Im repeating myself because you are mentally retarded

Plus me saying the shit you consume via your mouth has obviously way more impact than just external shit was my answer to YOU saying being a veggie is just the same as wearing a type of clothes or listening to a genre of music, which doesnt obviously hold the same impact, making being a veggie even a more stupid thing to do

Jesus christ youre such a mentally retarded person

You cant even follow a simple conversation

>> No.29591262

>>29590911
first off, before that Mumei told Fauna to kill herself if she wanted to change gender and specifically not to get killed but to commit suicide
but second the way Gura said it it wasn't a joke. Gura legitimately thinks men are smarter than women. That is why she hesitated finishing her sentence and cringed when she said it

>> No.29591305

This board probably holds the highest population of low IQ people on 4chan, its probably because of all the saeniggers

I feel bad for anons who have to commune with these drooling retards daily

Cant even follow a simple normal conversation and miss all the fucking points, jesus fuck just nuke this place

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>>29591305

>> No.29591624

>>29590926
They're the same size dude.

>> No.29592472

>>29588922
ooh pretty fauna

>> No.29592719

>>29583584
Didn't know that, I just became a member recently. What stream did she mention it?

>> No.29592878

>>29592719
shhh dont call him on his bullshit he didnt expect that

>> No.29594810

>>29568100
College degrees have nothing to do with intelligence.

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