Hololive vs Nijisanji

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Now that the dust has settled, which one is better?

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Hololive because they kicked out China

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>>292406
Hololive because I haven't seen Niji

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Hololive

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>>292428
>Hololive because they kicked out China
This

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No. Take this cringy console war elsewhere.

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Daneboe Productions

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Let's settle this
http://poal.me/syxq5w
http://poal.me/syxq5w
http://poal.me/syxq5w

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watch this became a war

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>>292530
cam on koopa!!1

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>>292406
Nijisanji has more mahjong content, but that's not enough. Hololive is miles better.

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>>292406
VShojo

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I like both. Why are /v/tards like this? they can't enjoy two things at the same time?

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>>294041
apparently, no

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I honestly can't name a single Niji

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whats nijisanji

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i hate the chinese so much for what they did to coco. i will genuinely make the CCP pay in the future

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>>292406
I like both faggot

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Nijisanji ID > Hololive ID but that's about it

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don't use Ame for your /v/ermin tier shitposts

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>>292406
nijisansji is r selected
hololive is K selected

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>>300604
Hana is boring without her dad, the others are okay.

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>>292406
can anyone explain why jsl translators picked the holos over everyone else?

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>>294041
You can enjoy two things while admitting one is better than the other. Hololive dominates the industry.

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>>296296
That's the signature chineese move, slants shoving the fingers into what really doesn't need to be touched and shift the blame when it all goes wrong.

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What do you think will be the response here you motherfucker retard? This entire place and the west is dominated by hololive.

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>>301630
rude

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>>301584
Yes, Vtubers are numbers. If they are more successful, they are better. That's exactly how the world works.

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Hololive has quality control, I don't see how this is a debate

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>>301777
You don't see how this is a debate because you never tried nijisanji vtubers and remains a holofag, only looking into numbers and coming into arguments of "quality vs quantity" when it's clear that you didn't gave the same effort even for about 30-50 vtubers like you probably did with hololive.

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>>292406
Nijisanji has Lulu, therefore they are miles better than homolive and their faggots

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>>302161
homobros......

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>Be nijisanji
>Set up branch in Korea
>fail to acquire any market share and ends up having to pander to jps

>Be hololive
>Don't even bother with a korean branch
>BTFOs nijisanji without even trying

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>>300604
lolno

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>>302280
YEEEEEEES VTUBERRS ARE NUMBERS. PEW DIE PIE BEST VTUBER BECAUSE HE HAS 100 MILLION.

retard. Not even for using google trends which show fuck nothing of reality but to thinking about such things by numbers.

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>>302068
Sorry what was that I can't hear you from the bottom of the pile, you're going to have to speak up

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>>302324
He's clearly not talking about numbers. You holofags only think about numbers? Not about the quality, abilities and personality? Fuck off with that bullshit.

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>>302480
You're sick. A fucking tribalist that only see all of those vtubers worthy due to numbers. Piece of shit.

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>>302509
Quality, abilities, and personality are subjective. Numbers are objective. Everything else is what sore losers bang on about when the numbers don't line up in their favour

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>>302611
Pew die Pie really is better than Pekora, thanks for that status.

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Hololive. I know next to nothing about Nijisanji talent other then that their average subcount is tiny compared to the average holo

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>>302666
If he starts streaming exclusively as a vtuber and speaks japanese sure.

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>>302685
Yes, because a vtuber is only worthy for speaking japanese. You're a piece of shit.

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comparing is cringe

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>>302598
And you need to calm down friendo. Watch some Fubuki.

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>>302611
Truly, China is the greatest country in the world.

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>>302673
Their average subcount is almost the same size of hololive, retard.

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1 japanese sub is worth 100 SEAmonkey ones.

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>>292530
>Engineergaming higher than nijisanji

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>>302794
no anon, he's right. You need to stop seeing vtubers as numbers and being tribalist. It's gross and stupid

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>>302480
What site do you use for subcount number faggotry? Not because I want to shitpost; but just for my own use

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>>302804
>Their average subcount is almost the same size of hololive

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>>302804
Name the number of nijisanji talent with over 500k subs. Now compare that to the average holo talent

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>>302875
vnuma

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>>292406
I don't watch many Nijisanjis, but the ones I watch are crazy degenerates.

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>>292428
why is this topic brought up so often in vt? it's in every thread I've visited. are we being raided?

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>>302946
The fact that you use the term "talent" really show where your loyalty lies.

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>>302068
Look at this and tell me with a straight face the nijis have "quality control"

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>>302946
It's as if they wouldn't get those numbers if they didn't have western audiences, like they all were below 300k and 100k a year ago, including behind tons of nijisanji. Which you wouldn't know anyway, as you're new and you don't know anything outside of hololive bubble.

You know what it would be funny? If hololive vtubers weren't in hololive but in 774, nijisanji or other talent agency you missed them because of loyalty over agencies and tribalism.

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>>292406
Hololive (Soul) vs Nijisanji (Soulless)

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>>303109
Ooh buzzword hunting. Guess you're out of arguments then

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>>303248
Ah yes the "western audiences don't count" cope. Another favourite of the losing nijifag.

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>>303239
jfc after all, what matters is the character design, not the person behind. Your vision is really warped if this is your mindset for quality control.

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>>303327
Stop playing with tribalism anon, seek help. Nijisanji won't kill your family, this hatred is absurd

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>>303248
You seething over numbers faggotry makes you a bigger faggot than any newfag. Cope

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>>303355
>having bad character design doesn't mean you have bad quality control
Do you read the shit you type out before posting your retardation for the world to see?

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>>303355
Good character design would in fact fall under "quality control", yes.

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>>303327
He's right though? Hololive was behind all of the others before 2020.

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>>301590
Help me overthrow the CCP in the name of the dragon brother

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>>303455
Yes and this somehow discounts them because "muh EOPs bad". This isn't /jp/ no more, that argument don't fly around these parts

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>>303412
>>303420
>>303433
Tribalist shit gtfo

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>>303504
This doesn't discount them but it also makes the situation different when other agencies don't have the same influx of western viewers.

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When I was first getting into hololive I thought nijisanji was a chinese company

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>>292406
Now that the dust has settled I hope that you die. I hate faggots like you so much, you are the cancer that is killing /a/ with your retarded lingo and endless faggotry.
Kill yourself

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>>303068
>are we being raided
this board is brand new. everyone on the site who decided to click the funny new button is part of the raid. that said fuck china, /pol/ack sending my regards

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>>292453
>>292406

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>>292406
Unity, motherfucker. Mito and Watame are great.

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>>293632
Sio...

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>>302806
We ain't on /jp/, that doesn't work here

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>>292406
VShoujo > everything else. All of em are black companies yes that including cover corp, ichikara, appland, unlimited, activ8, axel-v, 774, mikai, sony, etc.

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>>304351
>Vshojo
>Good

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>>304400
This is a joke avatar like mukirose, right?

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>>304351
Very based. 4chan sucks yagoo dick and shit on other companies but forget about their own.

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>>304505
Anon...

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>>304351
So what's the backstory of VShojo? I'm not into western vtuber shit.

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>>292406
for which one is better in general, there's only numberfagging, and anyone trying to apply any other standard can be beaten down with numbers.
for which one is better for you, just ask
- if a niji and a holo are about to start streaming, which one will I tend to watch?
- if it's dead hours and I go looking for something to watch, where will I start?
- if I'm watching 1hr into a holo stream and a niji starts streaming, will I pull up or switch to the new stream? or vice versa?
As an EOP how would you rank
a. Holos playing AmongUS in JP
b. Niji playing AmongUs in EN
c. Your oshi playing a game you're not that interested in but with moderate zatsudan potential
d. Previous, but a random holo's playing the game
for me it's c > a > b > d

for me, niji is like a Walmart just outside of a slightly classy mall. I'm always going to the mall first, but if I come out empty handed, sometimes, maybe I'll swing by the Walmart and see what they have. Here's a funny moment with Niji:
https://youtu.be/VAYuuUtOsRY?t=1073 (setup)
https://youtu.be/VAYuuUtOsRY?t=1268 (payoff)
I think that's worth watching but it loses out to Rushia chanting curse-songs as a ghost after she's (again) booted as an imposter who didn't even killed anyone.

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>>304656
Twitch partnered with melody the pornstar to make a vtuber agency with her and her friends.

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>>303355
>NIJISCHLOMOS MENTAL GYMNASTICS

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>>304709
c > a > d > b

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>>304351

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>>292428
/thread

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>>304709
C > B > D > A

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>>292428

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>>304709
Since you're saying you're an EOP but would still watch a zatsudan of your favorite over any other of the options you listed, can you explain me why? Ever since I started in this hobby way back even before niji and holo existed I already spoke japanese so it's something I can't grasp. How do you derive entertainment from it?
I can only imagine it being like watching a foreign movie without subtitles.

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>>292406
Don't look niji bros

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>>305562
Kiara speaks English so...
also I really enjoy AmongUs games. You can vary the example to have a game you like instead, and an stream type you're comfortable watching even if it's not your favorite instead, like karaoke when there's a language barrier.

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>>305538
I thought for a moment that this was just completely random, but it's the Niji ranking

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>>305676
Ah, I didn't even consider Holo EN, that would make more sense.

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Okay, it seems like Hololive wins almost unanimously. But what about the Hololive branches?

For me, it's:
JP > ID > CN > EN

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OFFICIAL BRANCHS TIER LIST

S
Hololive

A
Engineer Gaming

B
VOMS
Daneboe Productions

C
Nijisani

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>>305823
what's the practical meaning of preferring CN to EN?
do you always say, "ah, well Gura's about to start streaming, but I could rewatch my Yogiri bootlegs instead"?

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>>305632
Does this even mean much when it's known that many of the Nijisanji talents don't even use superchat often because the company focuses on other, more reliable revenue streams?

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>>305904
>what's the practical meaning of preferring CN to EN?
I preferred Artia to all of the ENs. She's the only reason, really.

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>>305823
CN doesn't exist anymore mate.

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>>305905
>B-but muh merch
like clockwork

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>>306224
It's not a clockwork when many don't even have superchat on and they say to buy merchandise and voice pack instead, so the comparison with superchat is just dumb. Stop with this faggotry and just accept arguments instead of acting like an imbecile.

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>>305632
> Superchat list
> Nijisanji makes most of their revenue from merchandise, goods, license and sponsorships, not with superchats. Same for the vtubers.

Great comparison as always, holofag.

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2020 holofans really need to learn when to stfu. Makes us older holofans look bad.

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>>306617
What if I started watching right at the beginning of 2020

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>>306617
they really do

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>>306388
>>306224
Like clockwork

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>>292406
Comes down to preference, I suppose. I prefer many Nijisanji over most of Hololive due to their greater variety and versatility. Holos feel very safe, samey and mediocre to me. For example, Hololive karaoke streams reveal just how dependent on autotune most of them are for their covers and live shows, whereas Niji singers like Chima or Toko never struggle with pitch or power, and can deliver great performances on the fly and unassisted.

Goes for most other things. Nijisanji's gamers play better, their stage shows are better, their comedy routines and 3d collabs are funnier and more interesting, they just generally seem to host more capable talent overall. They have actual musicians and composers among their ranks, which I find fantastic. All of this began to matter quite a bit more to me once I realized that the idol gachikoi routine Hololive relies on just didn't do it anymore.

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>>301584
Not in Japan they dont and that matters the most.

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>>305905
>muh merch

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>>306792
>>303327
Like clockwork

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someone explain to me why Hololive's biggest sub count girl refuses to collab with any JP or ID girls, despite every one of her peers on EN doing so this week and last week with 0 major issues

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Nijisanji has better tech, Hololive's tech is somehow behind commercially available vtuber tracking technology. Even their 3D tech is pretty shit, they can't even properly track objects in their hands or do complex movements.

But Hololive has better company culture and less internal drama, or at least they don't air their dirty laundry in public as often. Hololive not being a black company goes a long way to building goodwill with the fanbase, unlike Nijisanji. No one even calls themselves a "Nijisanji fan" they just like individual vtubers that are part of Nijisanji.

I'm of the opinion most of Nijisanji's (female) talents kinda wish they joined Hololive instead, for both financial and cultural reasons.

t. Hololive shill

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>>305857
/thread

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>>306923
Not true. Not every girl wants to be a soulless idol.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VQEuy2-H1zo

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Not all Nijis are bad
Not all Holos are good
I would trade Polka, RBC and Shion for actually good Nijis like Toko, Lulu and Nui.

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>>307074
>uh i draw sorta good
>uh i can be "bottom left" to the point of annoyance
Get rid of Ina and Kiara and give me some characters with actual character

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>>307074
Polka did nothing wrong why does everyone bully the clown

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>>307074
>>307120
>trading vtubers like they are trading cards
Unironically kill yourself

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>>306923
>They don't air their dirty laundry in public as often
You need to go take a look at the 5ch Hololive thread.

>No one even calls themselves a "Nijisanji fan"
Few people do, much less than Hololive, but that's because it's just not possible to keep up, or even care about, over 100+ people. The idea of 箱推し is an outdated relic from idol culture anyways. Once you get past the idea of having to care about every single member of a group, it becomes pretty easy to continue narrowing down to what you can manage/still find fun to watch. You can support the company in general without supporting every single person inside it.

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>>307201
or like sports players, a much more logical and realistic comparison

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>>306894
Ame's collab with mel was a good example, despite actually doing well in the game it's clear it was awkward with the language barrier

She also might be socially stunted, seeing how her collabs with JP or ID always must involve someone else

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>>307218
>You need to go take a look at the 5ch Hololive thread.
That place is a shizo nest that makes the resident shizos in /jp/ look sane.

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>>306923
>No one even calls themselves a "Nijisanji fan" they just like individual vtubers that are part of Nijisanji.
Don't see how that's a bad thing, though. In fact, it seems much healthier than fawning over a brand and feeling obligated to follow all of their talent. Nijisanji employs a wider variety of streamers, it's fine to pick a handful as your favourites and ignore the rest.

>>307074
You don't have to trade, the streamers already exist and put out content free of charge. Just start following them and drop the Holos you don't care for. I don't consider myself a Hololive fan, but I'll still happily check out a Roboco stream every now and then. There are also plenty of Nijis I have no interest in, such as Elu.

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>>307257
>Don't see how that's a bad thing,
It's a bad thing because that's how you get fans of one niji attacking other nijis, like that time one niji got shitcanned for singing the "nijisanji song" because she hasn't been in niji long enough to sing it or some shit. Or how Gundo's antis are almost entirely fans of other nijis who think she's tainting their good name by association.

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>>307228
true, but ID is practically perfect fluency with EN, and Haachama practically begs to do EN collabs to stretch her English legs. So it's not like she doesn't have very fluent people willing to play
Her schedule is sparse, and i'm starting to think she really is hated

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>>306894
She's just kind of a cunt, honestly.

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>>306978
This is kinda funny with the recent development that Hololive changed from an Idol company to an Entertainment company. They obviously realized how much more lucrative entertainers are over idols. They don't even require their talents to do idol concerts anymore, with most of the cast not participating in the upcoming Bloom concert.

Even before that though many of Hololive's talents weren't idols or even pretending to be. Especially their recent branches have shifted further away from being "idols", Botan for example can't sing or dance, and Noel seems completely tone deaf.

>>307257
>Don't see how that's a bad thing, though. In fact, it seems much healthier than fawning over a brand and feeling obligated to follow all of their talent.
I'm not saying Hololive's model is objectively better from all angles, it's pretty exhausting as a fan, but it's certainly better for encouraging fans to spread out the money and viewership.

From the perspective of someone looking to join one over the other you'd be much more financially secure in Hololive because the talents support eachother and the fanbase supports weaker talents. Look at fucking Anya and all the superchats she got to buy her a new PC after her horrendous debut.

>>307327
Yeah this too, Hololive talents don't tolerate their viewers anti'ing other talents. Niji's antis are almost entirely other Niji fans, and it gives them a really bad reputation as a fanbase and company. Like the Roa/Meiro drama that tanked both of their careers as fans went to war with eachother, and made Nijisanji look really bad for not defending either of them or handling it internally.

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>>306923
Less internal drama and yet it has 10 graduations while Nijisanji has more than 150 members and 25 graduations. So you can see how overall in their numbers, hololive has more.

Also hilarious about the not being a black company when you don't know anything that happens internally.

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>>307327
And these people wouldn't be attacking them if they were somehow indies instead of part of Nijisanji?

>shitcanned for singing the "nijisanji song"
And the people making fun of her promptly got made fun of by multiple other members and most of the fanbase. Unlike LL or IM@S fanbases somehow having a majority in thinking their song is sacred.

>Gundou's antis are almost entirely fans of other nijis who think she's tainting their good name
You must've missed the huge amount of 炎上 she got for things pretty much unrelated to any other vtuber.

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>>307257
Exactly. What the fuck is wrong with those people? Why act like those fucking agencies are clubs? You don't need to trade them, you just can watch whatever vtubers you want.

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Most people here don't know Japanese, and a small amount are also unaffected by the human tendency toward tribalism, so getting a good answer here is unlikely. The fact we're generalizing several dozens of talents is also an issue, none of us have the time to know them all. That said, I lean towards 2434 since I'm only in it for the entertainment - not the girlfriend experience - and as a variety show type deal they're just better. There's more variety to the games they play (APEX aside) and they have 3D collabs all the time on the main channel, while holo 3D still isn't utilized enough. I also like how their concerts are formatted more, it's more exciting compared to hololive's. Add to the fact that more livers means more niches to catch anyone's interest, and I'd probably say nijisanji wins overall.

I don't want to say they win in every way, though. If you mainly want idol stuff, of course hololive wins. And hololive minecraft draws in tons of people, you can almost approach these streams like a TV program with their own ups and downs and mini-arcs. The nijisanji MC server seems a lot less active. Apart from that, I dunno. Asacoco used to be decent but it reincarnated into reddit meme review which is unwatchable. The amount of OC music produced is good, though.

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>>307435
what evidence, if i can ask?

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>>307447
They didn't change from an idol company from an entertainment company. Don't be like those idiots who think Yagoo is talking about hololive when he's talking about cover, a company that always have been entertainment.

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>>307632
>10 graduations
>Chris: whore who graduated before she ever debuted
>Suzaku: chose to graduate to pursue a different career
>Kaoru: no one knows, is still friends with holostars and hololive talents
>Kira: graduated due to his health, is still good friends with the holostars
>Aloe: graduated due to harassment from Nijisanji schizos because she called them schizos
>HoloCN: graduated due to china

I don't really see how any of these are the company's fault? You can cite the Mel drama if she had actually graduated, but she came back to the job. The Aloe one is probably the one that they handled the worst, but fans and talents fully supported her, and her genmates even tried to convince her to come back. There's no public internal drama in Hololive, they all at least pretend to get along with eachother.

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>>307447
Hi ikuuuuuuuu, I know it's you

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>>307447
Pointing to Roa/Meiro specifically is like cherry picking how Holo CN fans are constantly attacking Holo JP members. Roa/Meiro was by far the largest drama Nijisanji had in the past year. Their fans originally went to "war" by noticing that Meiro was using the same tic as Roa. Also Nijisanji did take a side, they clearly took Roa's side. Handling it internally is ridiculous when one side completely leaks it to the most well known drama vtuber. This is like asking why didn't Cover handle the Holo CN firing internally, when Artia is the one yapping her big mouth.

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>>307816
The point is that hololive have more graduations overall, while the company you're shitting on have much more members and much less graduations in proportion.

Just admit that you're a holofag who hate nijisanji and never gave a chance to other people outside of your hololive bubble.

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>>307816
I guess you forgot Artia, Rosalyn, Civia and many others attacking Coco, right? Which is much worse as those were all harassing and using fans to destroy her career.

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>>307717
It definitely seems less active because most of it is focused on the newer members building on the new server, but they've been building a ton over there too.

The older server is basically only used by the few remaining pre-2020 members who still regularly play MC, and for larger events like the Summer Festival.

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>>307352
>she really is hated
If that's truly the case, then the fanbase and even Cover should be blamed for continuing to subcount and do subcount celebrations. It does nothing but breed toxicity and resentment.

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>>307447
>This is kinda funny with the recent development that Hololive changed from an Idol company to an Entertainment company.
This didn't happen. Don't buy into the memes that misinterpreted what Yagoo said.

>They don't even require their talents to do idol concerts anymore, with most of the cast not participating in the upcoming Bloom concert.
Bloom is only the first of many concerts that are planned as part of the hololive idol project. When you have an idol group with a large number of members, it's normal to only have part of the group be in any one concert (see: AKB48, Idolmaster)

>Even before that though many of Hololive's talents weren't idols or even pretending to be. Especially their recent branches have shifted further away from being "idols", Botan for example can't sing or dance, and Noel seems completely tone deaf.
Singing and dancing aren't what define idols. Idols are entertainers who've developed a close parasocial relationship with their fanbase.

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>>307921
And that point is bullshit when none of the graduations have anything to do with cover internal drama. A warship getting torpedoed and sunk doesn't make it a bad warship

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>>307352
Have you considered taking your meds?

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>>308008
>Idols are entertainers who've developed a close parasocial relationship with their fanbase.
[citation needed]

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>>307921
How is that bullshit when HoloCN was closed due to that? Have you forgotten about those fucking backstabbers?

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>>308014
How is that bullshit when HoloCN was closed due to that? Have you forgotten about those fucking backstabbers?

responded the fking wrong guy

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>>308085
.. that's literally how it works for decades

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>>308085
Citation is the entire history of the idol industry.

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>>308051
That doesn't work in this scenario. Please consider lurking more

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>>308085
Why you need citation?

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>>301489
Demand. At the start of the boom, there were just as many Holo as Niji clips. But over time everybody involved started to see sense.

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>>307717
this, really can't agree more

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Weird thread. People who have watched Nijisanji ans Hololive content know that Nijisanji blows Hololive out of the water in every sense: far more talent variety, higher production quality, better model quality and tracking and so on.

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>>308126
The whole thing happened because chinks went balistic over google analytics. It has nothing to with any actions on the CN talents itself. And yes, alot of shady stuff has been leaked about the CN since their graduation, but those are all personal stuff with no bearing on hololive as a whole, while all the evidence of the backstabbing are of the "everyone knows this is the private account of Artia, even though nobody knew about it until this fiasco" or "This happened in a member's stream on bilibili, I can't show you proof but trust me bro" level.

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>>308085
$100+ donations with an attached message apologizing that this may be the last one he can do for a while.

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>>308317
Because if that's the definition then many of the nijis also qualify as idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308379
What do you think "This is the hololive board" is a joke?

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>>308405
How it has nothing to do with CN talents when Artia was railing fans to harass coco in her accounts with many proof about it? HoloCN didn't begin it but during all that shit, they tried to fuck over a co-worker, which is much worse than anything than happened in nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308379
every single time I've watched nijisanji they've had glitchy tracking (Hana from earlier permanently has Gura's bad eye tracking; the "why I picked niji ove hololive" video tracks like she has a muscular disorder), they have boring models, and they play the same games.
I'm willing to believe in variety and 3d performance quality but there are only so many hours in a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308379
Maybe it's only the ones I've been recommended but all of the Nijis I watched only played Apex and they barely even talked during it
Aqua can make Apex actually entertaining, whereas with them I might as well have been watching nothing at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>308379
4chan is the hololive board, so there's no surprise how 90% of the people here never gave a chance to nijisanji to be able to make comparisons. They gave a look to vtuber wikia and called it a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>307865
These are all good points but I don't think something like Meiro/Roa would ever happen in Hololive.

The fanbase isn't nearly as adversarial towards other talents that they'd go into their chat and accuse them of copying another talent. The company also has a much stricter management style, so Roa would've gone to Meiro's manager and communicated her problems, and Meiro's manager would've told her to knock it off. No need for Roa going to Meiro directly and giving her ammo to leak shit or start interpersonal drama between them. Meiro's manager was already scolding her for it too, so I'm not sure why Roa even talked to her.

The HoloCN drama was something that started completely out of their control. Artia originally leaked the internal talks about them being able to keep their models and stuff, which she didn't know was inappropriate to leak, because according to her she was told it was ok. I'm not gonna get into her encouraging the antis to harass Coco, because it's clear anyone would be more loyal to their country than their employer. Especially when in her mind it's Coco's fault that she lost her job as a vtuber without doing anything wrong. Do I disagree with her pandering to Chinese viewers? Yeah, but it's totally different from what Meiro did. At least Artia's bullshit was savvy in a way for maintaining Chinese loyalty and protecting herself. Meiro hurt herself and everyone else with her antics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308405
>evidence of the backstabbing
Did you just come from reddit? Or did we read the same /hlg/ threads? You could go to the link to check what she posted, and the same account's videos had Artia's channel in the description, and she was using the exact same voice too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>307865
>Their fans originally went to "war" by noticing that Meiro was using the same tic as Roa
This, but it's probably more apt to call the fanbases confused over what went down between the two. They didn't fan the flames nearly as much as was originally believed.
>Also Nijisanji did take a side, they clearly took Roa's side
Nijisanji management knew Meiro's accent was copied because she had never used it in her previous life, audition or even her debut stream. It's not an accent that naturally exists anywhere in Japan. Consider this, them asking Meiro to shift to a different accent makes a lot more sense; it's not the first time streamers have changed major aspects of their characters.

Meiro also became unreasonable, cut talks with Roa and tried to strongarm the management by putting in and withdrawing graduation requests. Nijisanji felt it was better to cut their losses than try to reason with her beyond that point.

Roa's career isn't tanked, she has been largely cleared of any wrongdoing in the eyes of anyone who blamed her for the mess. She's on a self-imposed hiatus because the whole thing hit her hard (her accent was part of an RP she had created with Chitose, a now graduated Nijisanji streamer, to whom she was extremely close).

[Anonymous No.]

>>308537
> boring models
> Shiba, Debiru,Chaika, Noor, Mikoto, Rikichi, Kana and Lize exists
> Hololive only has humans

[Anonymous No.]

>>308514
>railing fans to harass coco in her accounts with many proof about it
Yeah that's the thing, that's entirely a narrative. The proof is a bunch of screenshots of a weibo account that people CLAIM everyone knows is totally artia's account, even though before the incident nobody knew about it but now thanks to two screenshots everyone treats as proof.
On top of which there is proof that at least a segment of the chinese fanbase who are determined to pain Artia as a hardcore nationalist in the eyes of the west for some reason, see attached pic which is literally a how to guide for chinese posters to go on hlg and shit on Artia, so there's literally no telling how much of it is real and how much is made up bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>308514
Artia never initiated the harassment of Coco though. She was just riding the wave after it was clear she was being fired either way. She's a menhara who is prone to emotional outbursts and lashed out, but she never had a problem with Coco before CN antis forced her to take a stance.
These are people that are brainwashed from birth into being loyal to their country above all else. It's like Americans any time you bring up their own horribly evil government their brain functions shut down and they go into shill mode.
The only way that could've been avoided was Cover not hiring a CN branch at all. It has no real bearing on the relationships between the talents since I doubt Coco and Artia ever interacted before or after the drama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308693
>Roa's career isn't tanked,
Yeah that's why she's gone radio silent for the past, what is it, six months now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>308714
>Hololive only has humans

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>>308565
But this thread should not even exist. Nijisanji fans don't watch hololive because it's like being treated to expensive meals every day and being offered to go to McDonald's. The corporate culture is far better too, no fake tee tee shit, leeches get rid of permanently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308797
Humanoids, yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308820
Nijinigger stay in /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>308742
Artia fans, just accept the reality. She's a backstabber bitch. Which she showed before joining hololive and after getting out of the company, considering how she leak info from her co-workers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308514
They're chinks. You can't judge their actions based on western values.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308783
Four months and a week, and I'm counting every day because I'll be there for her revival stream, with my one year membership badge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308885
>Backstabber
Backstabber to who? She was never friends with Coco. Why is Artia a backstabber when Niji talents do that shit to eachother all the time and their fanbase eats it up like some trashy reality TV show?

[Anonymous No.]

>>308784
The point is that it was an internal problem, which it was. Many co-workers worked together to fuck over another one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308714
If I wanted to see animals I'd go to a fucking zoo.

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>>308575
>they'd go into their chat and accuse them of copying another talent
You're way behind the curve on this one. Neither of them went into each other's chats. Roa and Meiro spoke in private, and they were perfectly cordial towards each other until Meiro simply stopped replying, at which point the management stepped in. All anyone outside Nijisanji knew about the situation at this point was "Meiro kinda speaks like Roa, what's up with that".

>>308783
You could've finished the sentence you were quoting. But to make it ever so clear, there's no more animosity towards Roa among any fanbase, and when she returns, she'll be able to pick up where she left off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308907
How so? Are we going to excuse them because they are chinks? It's trash stuff either way.

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>>308958
And you think Roa and Meiro were friends? Artia is a backstabber to trying to destroy the career of her coworker and to literally trying to harass a girl because of nationalistic values. Idk how you think this isn't worse than anything that happened in any agency. It's a person doing a crime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309052
an easy chink-exclusive excuse is "they have to act that way or their government will black bag them".

[Anonymous No.]

>>308565
I dont think anyone gives a shit about the "vtuber" phenomenon enough to go after wikis. This topic is so stupid in general, 4chan is a western board, hololive is simply more popular in the west because Cover invested heavily in it with their EN lineup. Maybe nijisanji will follow foot in investing in western audiences with all the success girls like Gura got, maybe they will not. Cover is a new and small corporation, they still played it smarter imo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309121
>Maybe
they renamed NijiEN to NijiIN.
They're following foot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309172
Yep, following foot alright.

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>>309121
>because Cover invested heavily in it with their EN lineup
That's not even it honestly, they won the West by Spring last year. Dunno who entirely to blame but most clippers turning to hololive is a big reason. Honestly we can't say Cover played any part in this, their success in the West was a happy accident.

[Anonymous No.]

>>292406
Hololive didn't try to pass off streetshitters as an english branch for my viewing enjoyment. also >>292428

[Anonymous No.]

>>309172
It was niji in from the start, got renamed to en then renamed again to in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308379
Got introduced to the whole vtuber shit by holo clips and found myself gravitating towards niji because of the variety and the "cutesy lewd funny" shit kinda got old fast for me, I still watch holos from time to time. Niji took the shotgun approach
>you like pokemon shit, there's sasaki
>how about retro games? yashikizu, lulu
>card games? hayato
>FF14, rin
>apex? chihiro and bora

[Anonymous No.]

>>309121
Hololive popularity already was bigger before HoloEN and even before Cover began to invest in the west.

And uh, I think you forgot that Nijisanji opened their auditions in december for the western market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309214
Exactly. Anyone thinking any of this was planned needs some meds. It was a happy accident with the pandemic boosting their popularity in the west. Cover itself did nothing until 2020.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308958
You're just ignoring the backstabbing that goes on within Hololive. Matsuri is wanted gone by the entire company, no one wants to deal with Korone and Aqua fucking despises Coco and Fubuki for robbing her of her chinese fanbase. Battle lines have been drawn between cliques, and there's a stupid amount of friction that's only kept under wraps by explicit threats of contract renegotiations from Yagoo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>303239
jesas

[Anonymous No.]

>>308783
To be fair, she's still doing voice packs and she recently was credited for setting up the lotion sumo tournament with Himawari.

>>309041
They definitely did go into each other chats, but it only started being slightly adversarial after Roa's vague posting on twitter and her taking a break.

>>309121
You're not wrong, but I don't think he was making any point about which was better, mostly that this board is obviously going to be Hololive-centric. You're right that making fun of people only going to a wiki or not as if it's insulting anyone is silly when that's just how most people act, and it's up to the company to gain their attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>303599
trump lost, /pol/tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>309214
The western vtuber audience reacts strongly to memes. Hololive got lucky with Fubuki's scatman and Miko's n-word. They also scouted Coco, who strongly pushed for foreign outreach from the start, and was well-liked by the management. Without the memes and Coco, Hololive could still be a minor player in the market. Cover cared for the western market as little as Ichikara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309098
If it was a crime Narukami would be in prison by now, but instead retards eat up his tabloid trash that drives vtubers to suicide and ruins peoples lives.

At worst Artia saw someone being harassed and just tacitly supported it because her fans wanted her to. She never incited it or created narratives or anything to encourage the harassment or damage Coco's reputation. It's the equivalent of going on /vt/ and making a thread calling Ayame a whore with nothing to back it up, just because it's funny.

>>309360
>Aqua fucking despises Coco and Fubuki for robbing her of her chinese fanbase.
update your rrats zhang, Aqua's too retarded to hate anyone.
>Matsuri is wanted gone by the entire company
the fuck is this narrative even?

[Anonymous No.]

>>309214
The reason is because of bilibili. Hololive got popular there because of the azur lane collaboration, they started mirroring the streams there and a lot of content got clipped and translated, and they also made OC.
Then some groups would translate the Chinese subs to english and post it on YouTube, and that got the english audience going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309522
Just because Narukami isn't in prison right now doesn't mean Artia isn't a terrible person who tried to make Coco lose her job.

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>>309214
It's CN. CN doing JP->EN translations is a huge source of EN translations nowadays, and there's far more of those than EN natives knowing JP proficiently enough.

As for why Hololive was larger in CN than Nijisanji, it's literally because they actually did sort of appeal to them more. Setting up an entire branch might be seen as more investment, but having most of your members do Bilibili exclusive streams and content does a lot more to appeal to people than having a CN branch that rarely interacts with the JP one.

To this day, the most popular Nijisanji members on Bilibili are still the ones that acknowledged CN and did exclusive streams in 2019. I mean, part of the entire reason CN ended up getting mad was because Hololive members were starting to pay less and less attention to CN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309360
This is chink struggle session level of narratives

[Anonymous No.]

>>309489
The "got lucky" narrative doesn't actually work. Viral content doesn't just give you millions of subscribers. You need to put in consistent effort, and that's what got Cover to the top.

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>>309593
I don't think Artia is a terrible person for the Coco shit. I do think she's a terrible person for being a menhara who displays the emotional maturity of a toddler, but that's different. Artia at least had enough respect for Coco to not spread rumors about her or give the antis ammo. She just said "keep it up" and "we'll win this war" or whatever as basic PR control, just dumb Chinese nationalist chuuni shit that all Chinese do and egg eachother on.

Narukami's shit is definitely illegal, but what Artia did was so far removed from that, if what she said was a crime then everyone on /vt/ is a criminal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309645
Hololive CN bigger in China? I thought Virtual Real was the most popualr chink group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309742
Yeah, Niji got a fair few viral hits in 2019 and early 2020 too, the difference is that they couldn't or didn't care to capitalize on it while Cover did.

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>>309550
>>309645
That makes sense. I'm surprised the subbers were chinese though, I remember lots were SEA when I checked. I suppose the chinese ones were more common before the translating wave picked up in 2020 and everyone got in on it, even if their English wasn't always up to the task

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>>309522
>rrats
Shitposting aside, what does this mean when it's used on /vt/? I keep running into it and I know it comes from Pekora, but I have no idea what it's morphed into over here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309790
Hololive was bigger in china, not CN. And in some respects they still are.

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>>309833
It's a global meme that's shorthand for narrative. I don't particularly like it but since global moved here en masse while old hlg elected to stay on /jp/ with their shizos I guess it's board culture now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309742
Except that's exactly how it works. There's tons of people out there putting hard work and have only 1k subscribers. The industry is very lucky based

[Anonymous No.]

>>307228
>She also might be socially stunted
>might
she's admitted to practicing ordering food several times before going to a restaurant, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309803
The Southeast asians came after to join the bandwagon. They also translate directly from jp and often it's all mangled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309833
narratives. Here's one:
1. go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrSphoyXkMQ
2. 'show more' on the stream description
3. note Hololive channels listed with a stars emoji.
4. note Nijisanji channels listed with a rainbow emoji.
rrat: Nene thinks that Nijis are GAY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309360
Source: my uncle works at cover.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does it have to be a brand competition, both companies have channels that people like/dislike anyway. But until Hololive has someone like hayato I'll probably just watch him in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309970
Please tell me you're not this new

[Anonymous No.]

>>309742
this
>>309489
>scouted coco for foreign appeal
>hololiveID entire lineup knows english
>hololiveEN scouted, hype all around before they even debuted because of the legitimately good designs (commissioned from really well known artists)
>followed up with another ID gen
Sure, memes helped it spread out a lot, vtubers had western attention ever since kizuna AI but the fanbase would not be here today if Cover didn't care as much as they did about overseas viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309970
Does the "narrative" have to be stupid too? Because the rainbow is just nijisanji's symbol, it's the literal meaning of niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309790
Hololive CN was popular in CN before 1st gen Virtual Real even debuted. It started way back in early 2019 where Hololive couldn't get a foothold in JP, but gained a CN fanbase and Fubuki/Aqua (mainly Fubuki first) decided to capitalize on it. Fubuki already had her first Bilibili exclusive live in 2019 Oct, a month before the Azur Lane collab. The reason they were even able to get that collab in the first place was because of their popularity in CN. Virtual Real has more brand presence solely because they're partnered with Bilibili, but Hololive sub channels by far have the most subs unless you could Virtual Real Star, which is just already famous people/actors joining the group.

[Anonymous No.]

I honestly haven't looked too much into Nijisanji, but I'm turned off a bit by there sheer volume of their talents. It gives me the impression that they have the "quantity over quality" mantra. I have no idea if that is true or not, but still...

[Anonymous No.]

>>310099
>>310077
Narrative/rrat is synonym for "I pulled this out of my ass", so yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309914
I don't doubt you'd have this bad opinion because you don't work in new media. a random independent person may go viral once and forever remain "some person who went viral 10 years ago, remember?". That's not similar to professional content production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310099
it stops being a rrat if it's sufficiently confirmed. Being stupid is fine: what you've just done is "rrat slaying".

[Anonymous No.]

>>310077
>>310099
He's obviously joking...

[Anonymous No.]

>>310192
I'm honestly just trying to get it. You have to realize that before the mods opened the floodgates on /jp/ the hololive thread was a ghetto with its own separate population and lingo.
Words like "roommate" are part of that, although that one was easy enough to figure out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310025
Because, true or not, there's a long standing narrative the nijifans are the cause of many of hololive's ills, such as the holocaust, harrassing Aloe, clipping lamy's words out of context, and the harrassment campaign against Fubuki over the sukuna thing, just to name a few, so that has lead to alot of animosity amongst the hololive fanbase at /jp/ which just so happens to be the primary inhabitants of this bot. Alot of them also don't make a distinction between "people who like nijisanji" and "people who harrass others in nijisanji's name", so some of them take "I like nijisanji" to mean "I personally sent death threats to Aloe and threw a party every time a hololive video was privated"

[Anonymous No.]

>>292406
Why is this thread even a thing? They're both great in their own way, it just depends on what you're looking for in a streamer/vtuber. Sometimes I'm more in a Hololive mood, sometimes Nijisanji is what I'm looking for. It's not a fucking race.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310508
>harrassment campaign against Fubuki over the sukuna thing
I've seen this one mentioned a few times but I'm out of the loop. What's the lore here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>310339
rrat is just "I have no source for this but I think this is the case" so it can be as stupid or as well founded as you want

[Anonymous No.]

>>292406
Ahh, Nijisanji. It’s to Hololive as Sega was to Nintendo, as Pepsi was to Coke. More ‘extreme’ and edgy, like the bad kid in a Disney movie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310545
The short version is: Fubuki streamed the final chapter of Sukuna without playing through the rest of the game first, which she did because basically every holo was playing it at that point. One nijinigger tweeted at the dev about it and he responded "It doesn't break any terms of service, but personally I'm not fond of it", which was then used by the nijiniggers as an excuse to harrass Fubuki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310125
You're supposed to stick to one or two you like the most. Nobody's expected to keep up with all of the livers. Even with hololive it's impossible to watch all 50 streamers anyway.

But if you want to be spoonfed, then just watch Ars Almal, she's great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310670
What is it about Niji fans and their drama always being grounded in the most retarded rrats? That's so funny, it just makes me love Fubuki more. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310670
>which was then used by the nijiniggers as an excuse to harrass Fubuki.
Why are nijjers so fond of harassment?
Do they even watch their own streams or do they just seethe-watch hololive and plan harassment campaigns?

[Anonymous No.]

>>309360
Holy fuck the narratives

[Anonymous No.]

>>310670
>>310749
>>310767
There it is, it's the thing
>>310508 talked about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310852
It's impressive how quickly new narratives are born. I fully understand the niji thread's heavy gatekeeping, but on the other hand, I'm kinda curious what the debut of NijiEN will look like when they're surrounded by redditors believing in all this stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>303708
/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>Niji have better tech
please confirm that people only mean 3d when they say this.
https://youtu.be/bFWAaw4rBy0
https://youtu.be/NrSphoyXkMQ
just play both for a few seconds while looking at the movements of the live2d.
that microstutter is really unpleasant to look at. It just looks glitchy after watching mostly hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310934
The niji thread's heavy gatekeeping is literally because they want to be an epic secret club that all are jealous of

[Anonymous No.]

>>310852
I don't know if it's actual nijiniggers who did that lit the spark or if it's just generic shitstirrers, but the vast majority of the people who did the harrassing were nijifans. This isn't narrative, it's provable just from the twitter accounts who took part in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>308714
why would I want to fuck a literal dog?

[Anonymous No.]

>>310987
Why do you want to fuck the streamers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>310934
This isn't a new narrative, it's been a thing since the original incident in november, and we know it's a nijinigger because the same guy who first started spreading the out of context lamy clip was also the first one to make a fuss about the Sukuna dev's clip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310739
I've watched all the holo members at some point. I don't watch every single stream like you said because it is impossible. The ones I do watch are the ones I like the most out of all the holo girls. With Nijisanji it's practically impossible to check out each streamer. This is a textbook example of the Paradox of Choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311041
Why don't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>310985
My issue is the fact that autists here are too dumb to separate twitter shitflingers from regular fans. There is 100% a contigent of nijisanji fans who mass dislike hololive videos, but that's a dedicated minority not everyone who watches them.
>>310934
Assuming NijiEN doesn't flop, I think there is going to be a thread split. The original nijithread will probably stay on /jp/ with a new nijiglobal being made here. The EOP fanbase is just too opposite of nijithread for them to get along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311078
Because I'm not a cumbrain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310767
Nijisanji's company culture encourages harassment because it's so competitive. The easiest way for a Niji to get a leg up on their peers is by crafting and leaking rrats to bring them down, and their fans have taken this to heart and constantly shittalk eachother and Hololive. It's unhealthy.

>>310934
They gatekeep specifically because of their inferiority complex towards Hololive. They've formed a rrat in their schizo brains that being a fan of the more "obscure" company makes them smarter or cooler or whatever. You see it in other subcultures all the time.

>>310973
That was my post saying they had better tech, but iirc Niji's tech is all live tracking while Hololive's tech uses manual expressions for everything except the eyes because the tracking is shit. Their rigging is really quite bad and inconsistent, like Ayame's mouth never moves, and Kiara's model has a completely "flat" face that doesn't match other talents even though her Live2D rigger has done other girls like Watame who have extremely good rigging.

Specifically in that post though I was talking about the 3D yeah. Hololive's 3D is so bad in terms of tracking. Their models are really good though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311122
>I think there is going to be a thread split.
There already is >>198906

[Anonymous No.]

>>309360
meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>311156
I think I'm starting to understand this rrat thing of yours, because all you said on those first two paragraphs was a load of crock. A "rrat", in your lingo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311122
>My issue is the fact that autists here are too dumb to separate twitter shitflingers from regular fans
When the only news you hear from nijisanji for months is about how some of their retarded fans harrassed your favourite holo again it's easy to develop an impression that all nijifans are those same harrassers. The intense gatekeeping of the nijithread doesn't help because that just encorages anyone who wants to talk about the latest drama to ask in the holo thread which of course wouldn't exactly have glowing words to say about nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>308693
>Roafags still bullying Meiro
Sad. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311240
Correct. Part of rrat shitposting is teaching newfags to differentiate between banter and verifiable truths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310530
Because they only like hololive and they want fanboy console war mentality, so someone they need to see as an enemy to stomp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>310852
victim complex like clockwork
>the nijjer cries out as he strikes you

[Anonymous No.]

>>311240
You can literally read nijifans' opinions in this thread, you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311321
Factually, nijifans talk about hololive constantly, while the converse is not true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>309833
>Narratives
>na rrat ive s
>naive rrats
you have now been spoonfed

[Anonymous No.]

>>311156
Oh my god, the narrative of the first response

[Anonymous No.]

>>311385
That's a backronym, the original thing is just the ogey rrat meme taking on new life because the newfags at global have never seen the original ogey rrat clip and don't have enough context to understand why it's a thing, so they came up with a new one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311265
Maybe you wouldn't have to get opinions of Nijisanji by Nijifags if you.. tried to watch a few of them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>311431
didn't ogey rrat posting get banned off /jp/ for a while since it was taking up literally half the thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>311382
I guess this thread here was a coincidence, and so are every time nijisanji is mentioned here and shitted on. It's not tribalism, imagine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311474
"when it's mentioned, it's shat on" is not the same thing as "always talking about". most of the niji mentions in the global thread are from hololive collabs with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>311440
You can go ask the Niji thread for recs but if you bring up enjoying Hololive they'll just tell you to "go watch Lulu and Ars like all the EOPs" or "fuck off".

[Anonymous No.]

>>311525
Good joke, if you ask in the niji thread for recs they'll just tell your to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

Does any Niji shitpost in 4chan? That's the only defining factor here.

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>>311440
Pretend you're someone who only watches hololive. You don't care about nijisanji or even know much about them. But then every other month a new drama comes up about some people harrassing one of your holos, and when you look into it it's always nijisanji fans that are involved. It doesn't take a genius to understand why they might develop a negative impression of them.

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>>311546
Hana Macchia lurks and cries herself to sleep that even Anya has more fans than her on /vt/.

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sasuga /vyt/

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>>311440
Why would I? I already have a hard enough time keeping up with the holos. I literally don't have the spare time or mental capacity to start exploring a rival company consisting of over a hundred talents just to see if there's one or two I might like.

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just came here to remind nijji fags no hard feelings but its funny

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Lulu is okay. Mito seems to be a bit too crazy for my taste (and I'm saying this as a huge Noel fag). Himawari is a snoozefest but she's Peko's oshi so it's okay. Some holos can be snoozefests though, like RBC. I just hope that most niji fans are not as physically and socially repulsive as R*cardo who constantly post 4chan on fagbook.

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>>311541
Honestly I don't get why they do this. If someone asks for a rec of course I'd tell them my favorites, shouldn't you want more people to watch them so they can be successful?

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>>311541
>>311693
deluded sense of gatekeeping they think that the gate must be a wall and not a gate
the gate must be open for those who politely knock not for thoses who attempt to barge in

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>>311525
Why you need recommendations tho? You cannot go to the channels and try it for yourself? Pick a design you like, search a few clips and then go on. It's not difficult. It's the same thing with any vtuber or youtuber, wit hthe difference that you have an entire list to choose from.

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>>311693
The /jp/ thread specifically doesn't want an English audience shitting up the chat.

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>>311693
I wouldn't know what goes through their minds, but lets me just say there is a reason notions like >>310978 get spread around, because it really does seem like it at times, especially when they start telling people who like certain talents who happen to be popular with EoPs to fuck off.

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>>292406
Hololive just because it has higher density of great and relevant girls
niji still has some great girls like lulu though

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>>311567
If you only watch hololive you already are wrong in the first place, in the same way are the people who only watch nijisanji.

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>>311766
If you're trying to convince me to watch nijisanji you're doing an extremely poor job of it.

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>>311594
Then you can't exactly say things about their vtubers if all you know is from second hand information...

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>>311594
You should really give Ars a try, she's probably the closest to a Hololive talent in terms of being endearing and not exactly pure but at least a good girl at heart. The rest of their talents seem like normies but Ars has the autism that endears Holo fans to girls like Aqua and Pekora.

>>311742
>100+ talents
>expecting people to pick random girls based on visual designs
>when most of them stream like 1 or 2 times a week and have personalities that differ greatly from their visuals, or have large gaps in their charisma that isn't accurately portrayed in their design
imagine picking Gundou thinking she'd be an oneesan type but she's actually a whore lol.

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>>311431
iirc "rrat" being synonymous with "narrative" didn't take off until people made the connection with "naive rrat" being an anagram. before then "ogey rrat" was mostly just a thing to say to shit posters, not exclusive to schizophrenic theories about cover or the talents.

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>>311742
anon clip fags exist for a reason they help those with low time or energy get to their place quicker and more efficient
recommendations cut out clipfags who are scum with 2 brain cells

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>>311460
Probably due to zhang poster infiltrating spammers who followed this instructional infographic
>>308742
without actually understanding anything.
Basically, NPCs can't into maymays.
Tells them that Ogey is the opener and rrat is the closing.
They're not wrong, just retarded.

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>>311777
I'm not trying to do it. Simply talking about locking yourself in one company and being tribalist about it is shit, even more when the own vtubers and companies don't have such mindset, which would make more sense from them than fans.

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>>311742
stop being selfish your oshi deserves more fans retard espicaly those who might have spare money that they being retards who cant be fucked to do research would give to your oshi

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>>292406
I hope fumi graduates and not just a suspension.

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>>311742
here you see the nijinigger in his natural state. we say even asking for recs results in a negative reaction from nijisanji fans, responds with "why do you even need recs?"

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>>303599
trump lost, tranny

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>>311793
That's how I did. I picked them based in designs, then I tried and saw the personality and content with clips, until I subbed. Same for collabs.

I have about 40 nijisanji vtubers in my sub with about the same for hololive, 5 for re:act and 10 from 774.

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>>311169
prepping for the endtimes huh

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>>311793
I feel like nijisanji suffers from overwhelming options. It's like when you scroll through netflix for an hour trying to pick the best thing to watch, then you just end up going back to rewatch an old favorite instead because it's too much effort to find what you might like.

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>>311836
Except I'm not doing any gatekeeping. I'm merely questioning why not to try yourself. That's how many people did for many vtubers. I could recommend it of course, but I don't think you NEED recommendations to try a vtuber.

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personally, the nijis I follow I found through collabs with vutbers that I had already been following

for example, I found toko through suisei and then ange and lize through toko

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>>311900
anon thats like saying go to kissanime or some other fucking site that has like 1000+ random animes in alphabetcal order and saying just pick one

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Here's a rec then, two of my favorites just started streaming. Probably going to be boring if you can't understand japanese though. https://youtu.be/O4rAcwm1QaE

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>>311784
you know full well that's never stopped anyone, least of all on 5chan of all places.

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>>311977
*4chan

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>>311944
The difference is that you're using anime as comparison while with vtubers, you have the list of all the members and you choose it. If anyone wants a recommendation for Nijisanji vtubers, I can give. I merely think that a person can do it by their own. That's how I did with both hololive and nijisanji in the end of 2018.

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>>311855
I do that for indie vtubers because they're virtual unknowns, but it's unreasonable for Nijisanji fans to not be open to bringing in new viewers. Hololive has infographics and clipfags everywhere to bring people in and introduce them to all the talents. Meanwhile asking for recs or clips or anything in Niji threads is entirely futile. How can they blame anyone but themselves for Niji fans having the reputation as doxxers and schizos while also being completely uninterested in building goodwill or bringing in new people?

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>>311977
i mean i shit post all time about matsuri being a massive cunny hunter and ive never seen a stream of hers or really watched any clips

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>>311965
I've seen the blue one before she seems really cute in all the clips I've seen of her. The other girl's face tracking is all fucked up what the fuck?

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I fucking love numbers. I masturbate to them

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>>312013
but that was like 2 years ago anon they both have grown massively and the talent rosters are diverse and wont appeal to everyone

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>>311858
The nijithread is a glorfied twitter feed and link dump where any actual discussion is met with immediate hostility so with the creation of this board the ones who don't agree with that level of gatekeeping decided to move out and found a place where they can actually discuss things.

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>>312014
Ok son. Do you really want nijisanji recommendations or are you just for the argument? I'm not against recommending, I can give it to you.

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>>312046
i have a meme about that from october if you will excuse it being a fucking editfag of shitty tourist shit

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>>312077
Please rec your favorites along with who you think would be most accessible to Holo fans. I genuinely am open to watching more Nijisanji talents anon, not trying to be an asshole.

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>>312045
Well that's true, matsukai's tracking is kinda fucked today, it wasn't like that before, but she just got her model updated to 2.0. I think it's because she's holding the phone to use the psychology test app they're playing, the tracking is done with the phone also.

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It's impossible to have to keep correcting every narrative that pops up.

>>311042
Are you talking about Virtual Buddha? Narukami #2 who was known for shitting on Nijisanji in 2019? He wasn't even the one who popularized. The video that got clipped and went viral was from a literal random with his only other video being a Kani Carnival livestream.

The person who asked the Sukuna thing was a Kato Junichi fan, who regularly posts politics/gacha/shit.

>>311382
Why don't you go into the archive and search for how many times Nijisanji is brought up in the Hololive threads vs Hololive in the Nijisanji threads. The latter gets deleted almost instantly so, how could the thread even talk about Hololive? On the other hand, almost every single Nijisanji drama is shitposted about in Hololive threads.

>>311693
It's specifically this >>311744. If you want recs, go post in Nijisanji Global, or the reddit for all the thread cares. What they don't want, is to start inviting newcomers to post asking for recs. One person asking for recs is one thing, but the moment the thread stops gatekeeping, you suddenly have tens of people asking about recs thinking they won't get told off.

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>>312103
Hana Macchia, Kanae, Tomoe, Maimoto, Sukoya Kana, Mikoto, Sasaki Saku, Himawari Honma, Tsukino Mito. Those are a few I can recommend and they have many clips available and translated. Only Hana speaks regularly in english and the others speak in JP, but that's the same for hololive JP in general.

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niji because i'm a clipfag
and niji skit clip > holo moe clip

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>>312164
so hana is the coco atleast when it come to english streams

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>>309489
Those things got the initial eyeballs on them, but they aren't what got them the viewer retention.
Hololive just has a much better system. They have fewer idols which look much more distinct from one another and with better defined groups. This leads to people being much quicker on the uptake and new fans can get right in the thick of it.

Contrast this to Nijisanji where you have to navigate an ocean of generic high school students mixed in with a few assorted weirdos. There's no easy way to understand it like there is for hololive.

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>>312102
reddit shit as expected for a numbernigger

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>>312147
>What they don't want, is to start inviting newcomers to post asking for recs. One person asking for recs is one thing, but the moment the thread stops gatekeeping, you suddenly have tens of people asking about recs thinking they won't get told off.
this is some really cringe shit ngl desu bromie go outside or something

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>>312194
hey it was made in like my first week also reddit stole that shit from 4chan then again when hasnt reddit stolen from 4chan its why we started putting niggermarks on our OC to prevent theft be SEAfags and reddit/discord fags

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>>312164
Do you have anything specific you like about those talents or that makes them accessible? I can just look up clips and don't mind watching Japanese streams at all, but you can talk a bit about why you like them if you or anyone else wants to. That kinda thing helps newfags more than just listing names imo.

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>>312220
Wanting a thread to not be flooded with new members is cringe? You can literally go into any community, ask if they would like >50% of their members to be replaced with randoms, and pretty much all of them are suddenly gatekeepers. You could say just make a discord, but people prefer the anonymity.

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>>312331
Hololive doesn't have this problem somehow, and are very inclusive to new people. Newfags assimilate into the threads quite easily even if they only watch a few talents. Maybe it's not as comfy as they were before 2020 but everyone still gets along except Gura shitposters, fuck those guys. Just sounds like schizo paranoia that "newfags will come into my house and infiltrate my sekret club reeee."

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For me I watch pretty much anyone who plays apex

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>>309360
>no one wants to deal with Korone
Confirmed for knowing nothing. Korone is one of the most reclusive holos. She just collabs with Okayu and otherwise does her own things. Its others that are constantly asking her to do things with them, otherwise she just minds her own business.

If nobody wanted to deal with her, they could easily just leave her be and not have to deal with her.

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>>312437
You're joking. New people assimilate because their posts go unnoticed when the thread is moving 50 posts a minute. Were you not there for the entire split between /hlg/ and /hlgg/? Or the Hololive Idol thread that lasted a day or two on /jp/? Or even the current Hololive thread on /jp/ after this board was made? There are multiple people who watched Hololive from early on, who clearly don't like the flood of new members either. Obviously you don't see it once 90% of the fanbase is already comprised of these new members, and the 10% just look like gatekeepers when the 90% now own the thread.

Do you think /jp/ trying to kick vtubers out once they had multiple thread is cringe or schizo paranoia? What about this board and annoying orange posters? Why don't you try going to those annoying orange threads and recommend them some friendly Hololive streams?

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>>312437
anon im pretty sure half of those guranewfags are ironic dickheads i say this as an gruafag my self

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Does Niji recycle their artists? Just looking at this >>302324 and other group pictures I've always thought they all looked really samey. It's not necessarily a bad thing but I'm just curious.

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>>312552
That's why I hate them, they're totally insincere. I like Gura and don't like that they're actively tanking her reputation by pretending to be fans and getting into spats with KFPfags.

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>>312640
some kfpfags are skitzos though like truck kun

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>>303549
i honestly thought niji was a cup noodle company at first lol

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>>312741
>>303549
how are you guys this retarded

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>>312625
Yes, early on, it wasn't meant to be a serious project, just a tech demo, so 2/3 artists drew more than half of 1st/2nd/Gamers/Seeds.

The one you're talking about in that pic is entire Niji ID though, and that's most likely where the older artists ended up after they regular hire more unique people in later 2019, and considering they don't have their illustrator revealed, I'd say they were done by the same 1/2 people that did half of gen 1.

Also Niji ID gen 5, the one that everyone says looks like garbage, looks like that specifically because they chose to get Illustrators that were native to Indonesia, to "grow a sense of community" and give ID artists a chance apparently, instead of just tossing JP artists on them.

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>>306978
If Coco can shave her pussy on stream, I don't see why she would have any problem fitting in just by doing whatever she wanted.

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If you are looking for recs Yuya is pretty cute. She even speaks 3 languages although she has only done English during a collab with NijiID iirc. She acts cute but rages pretty hard when she's losing.

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Here's another thing I like about nijisanji https://youtu.be/anPEIuG_yYw
They have these variety type programs on their main channel regularly.

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>>312773
can't blame me i mean "hololive" has a nice ring to it and so is vshoujo. "nijisanji" sounds like a bootleg chink company.

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>>312270
Not him but I think knowing Mito is required if you want to get into vtubers in general. She's the the who shifted the the paradigm from 3d video making to 2d live streaming. Everything she did reverberated among other vtubers, and she is the inspiration that made many existing vtubers get into the fad in the first place, some of which were even able to join Nijisanj.
As for her content and personality, she is very "early internet" -like. As in, she's very in tune with internet subculture from those days and it shows in her sense of humor. Sometimes she prepares a fun scenario stream, like the one where she travels back in time and becomes a loli. Her charisma is backed up by the fact that she is a fantastic speaker. She can talk about anything and make it interesting because she goes really in-depth with what she's talking about even with the most inane topics, providing some interesting insights and wisdom.
I find her kind of similar to Moko from Watamote in many ways. They have similar interests and humor, and girls tend to gravitate her for some reason. Basically she is like an alt-Moko but good at speaking and socializing.
If you don't care about all of that then you should at least know her to respect the culture.

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>>313190
Thanks anon, that was very in-depth and interesting. The comparison to Moko especially makes her seem appealing as Moko's sense of humor in the early chapters was very endearing as a "pure and true girl's perspective" even if outdated by this point.

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>>313179
Hololive just sounds like bootleg love live

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If anyone wants to know why hololive has exploded in popularity while Nijisanji flounders, look no further than this post: >>311742

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>>312543
I feel like the holo threads were way smarter back in last Spring but it might be my imagination, I dunno

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>>311517
>most of the niji mentions in the global thread are from hololive collabs with them.
That's just a sheer numbers thing. The Hololive english speaking audience absolutely dwarfs the Niji english speaking audience.

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>>312013
>That's how I did with both hololive and nijisanji in the end of 2018.

Hololive literally had 16 members before 2019 anon.

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>>313246
Here's a starter pack of clips for you
This is her demonstrating her ability to make ad-lib content when tings go wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIN4vdVlzJA

Here's the infamous stream where she was accidentally showed softcore gay porn on stream, clipped by herself and edited to be more censored. It was one of her first streams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gADyw6UawPk

Extra: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc-So_IttBU

There was a clip of her talking about the origin of her unique perspective and approach on things from her childhood, and then immediately after that she talked about her experience of using a sex doll service in Europe because she couldn't believe such a service exists and wanted to see what it's like. That's the kind of person she is. Unfortunately I can't find it.

Her Animal crossing videos were also fun because every stream of it had a scenario prepared in which Isabelle was loose woman in bed with Nook with Mito being a jealous psycho cunt trying to win him over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN_xNKlcPQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcrPmU-ult8

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>>313505
She plays quite a lot of galge while having no interest for otomege. It wouldn't surprise me if she plays actual eroge during her personal time.

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>>311304
Funny, when Meiro herself actually attacking Roa using her previous job on DLsite with R-18 Voice Drama

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for me the problem with nijisanji is they simply have too many people. some of their best talent is up there with hololive in terms of entertainment value but its just too many people.
with hololive you can watch a few collabs some translated clips and a bunch of streams and you know nearly all the girls to some degree it makes it easier to enjoy collabs and small clips because you know the character with nijisanji you just go who the fuck is this a lot.