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HoloEN: girls are more relevant, a Gura karaoke gets more viewers than a male debut, will collab with men only if they want to, different discord servers (confirmed by multiple members), different branch

NijiEN: boys are more relevant, all girls collab with males or you're seen as a weirdo, even the biggest female (Selen) only gets half of the viewership compared to Luxiem, same discord server.

>> No.28992376

Both of these companies serve a niche. I really don't get why tourists, redditors, and twittards are so adamant with converting Hololive into being just another Nijisanji.

>> No.28992444

>>28992252
They've all already talked during their meetings, including Gura, and it'll happen again, you just won't be aware of it happening. Gura is just another whore, a secretive one.

>> No.28992445

>>28992376
>A sane post
Get out

>> No.28992481

>>28992376
Because gender separation isn't normal and idolfags are an extremely tiny minority in this fandom?

>> No.28992490

>>28992444
>Trips
Oh no no no

>> No.28992492

>>28992445
Sorry anon, I had to take off the autistic mask for a second. I'll get back to shitposting in a bit.

>> No.28992498

>>28992444
>a secretive one.
no its an open secret

>> No.28992521

>>28992481
>gender separation isn't normal
it's been the norm for million of years until twitter and reddit were invented

>> No.28992540

>>28992444
Nobody tell the Holopedes! Their fragile visions of muh purity will be shattered again!

>> No.28992565

>>28992444
>Secretive

>> No.28992572

>>28992376
Virtue signaling. They'll fucking cheer when Mori collabs with them. Upvote the anouncement on reddit to 50K. Then the actual collab won't even make 10K.
That's what happened with the Mumei stars collab. HomoENs won't even have 500 views 2 months from now. All these people will fuck off and go right back to girls once they realize they don't actually want to watch dudes. Screencap this.

>> No.28992584

>>28992444
>he lacks critical information
It's KNOWN

>> No.28992644

>different discord servers (confirmed by multiple members)
which means nothing. they may be dumb, but none of them (yes, not even Mori) is retarded enough to think publicly stating they're all on the same discord server wouldn't cause a shitstorm

>> No.28992673

HoloCHADS win again

>> No.28992688

>>28992481
>Because gender separation isn't normal
Why do you retards insist that everything be the same? Idolchads can have hololive, normalfags can haver nijisanji, deranged coomers can have vshoujo. Everyone wins if you simply follow the ones you like instead of trying to turn the ones other people like into something they aren't.

>> No.28992705

>>28992572
I agree with u on the collabs but i think some of them will be roberu to noctyx tier

>> No.28992717

>>28992481
>Because gender separation isn't normal and idolfags are an extremely tiny minority in this fandom?
>Pekora who keeps saying that she'll never collabs with males is the biggest vtuber by a giant margin and one of the top 3 female streamers of all time
Seems like reality doesn't agree with you.

>> No.28992766

>>28992717
Don't tell this newfag about JUN

>> No.28992773

>>28992481
Thats quite sexist, but thats the norm around here so Im not chocked

>> No.28992802

>>28992766
You mean the guy who's married to someone who is clearly not Pekora? OK EOPfag.

>> No.28992849

>>28992481
Ah, the tourist/redditor/twittard I was just talking about. You guys sure are fast.

>> No.28992865

>>28992688
This. There's a vtuber or company for everyone, why the fuck does anything have to change at all?

>> No.28992959

>>28992481
>Because gender separation isn't normal
it was always normal
there's alot of jobs out there that separate/only contracts one gender without being physical labor related jobs

>> No.28993003

>>28992865
> b-because i'm normal good anon and you aren't
Or that about what happen in a tourist twittard head, and omega head too.

>> No.28993234

These holostars dudes reply to holoEN all formal and shit, management definitely put them on a leash
Except Mori and Bae but those 2 are the ones pushing HARD for them

>> No.28993307
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28993307

>Tempus is a giant wet fart and about to get crushed by Nijis new wave
>Vox's getting 1m subs will most likely overlap the boys first streams since he's doing a 24 hour stream around that time
>Bronies instantly hide behind Gura and scream "OUR GIRLS ARE MORE RELEVANT"

You dropped this brony chama.

>> No.28993436

>>28993234
Let's hope that leash is tight enough. I don't mind the occasional collab, once in a blue moon etc...
>Except Mori and Bae but those 2 are the ones pushing HARD for them
... but I do worry these two will make it the "new normal".

>> No.28993474
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28993474

>>28993307
Enjoy manjisanji bro, no one cares about males in hololive and it'll stay that way
Don't forget Vox got beaten to 1M by a fucking indonesian

>> No.28993527

OP says this but Tempus is an objective failure and Iluna will break debut records for EN VTubers and hide behind "muh JP girls are more relevant" cope despite them being a complete afterthought across the industry, even in their home country

kek

>> No.28993606

>>28993527
Go help your female vtubers, they can't break 3K CCV without collabs
Literally accessories to the males and will only get more and more irrelevant with each new wave

>> No.28993636

>>28993307
>Noooo, you holofags have to care about tempus failing!
No. Fuck you and fuck tempus, I hope they fail.

>> No.28993683

>>28992481
The issue is that gender separation in vtubing encourages degeneracy. By displaying these females without the presence of male competitors, viewers are pacified and coddled in a sort of fabricated safe space. They are deluded into believing that female attention is available without personal effort. This makes men weak and effeminate. Higher intergender interaction will encourage the viewers to improve themselves in order to compete.

>> No.28993746

>>28992252
noooooo where the cuck fantasy you promised me, /vt/ards

>> No.28993754

>>28992481
>idolfags are an extremely tiny minority
Remind me again which brand is the biggest at the moment, what kind of group they are, and what they call their "streamers"? Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you remind me which type of
their content garners the most amount of concurrent viewers?

>> No.28993822

>>28993606
Inclining. HoloJP has been reclining for almost 2 years now.

>> No.28993871

>>28993683
>Retard actually thinks he's competing for the attention of vtubers, and looks down on gachis and unicorns because they can't compete with him.
That's a refreshingly new and insane angle.

>> No.28993880

>>28993822
For more see: https://note.com/anrimayura/n/nc313a6f5e28d

>> No.28993908

>>28992252
Just saying, just because they're on different Discord servers doesnt mean that they are completely separated from contact from each other. They could easily grab the discord tags of people on the other side to DM them and such..

>> No.28993921

>>28993474
>kobokek out in the wild
Good to see the sore loser of their own race finally shows up.
I like the shit-eating grin you gave your oshi, though it's not her first

>> No.28993967

>>28993474
You stan a shiteater

>> No.28994026

>>28993908
You'd have to be an oxygen deprived unicorn to assume they don't. The most minor of reps shows their is a colossal overlap of friends and networks between not just NijiEN and HoloEN, but Vshojo, PRISM, and at least 4 other companies
They 100% at least speak through one another in various social medias, and at most have direct contact with one another

>> No.28994118

>>28993921
>>28993967
I don't give a shit about Kobo, I just find it funny that an indonesian shit eater can beat Vox in subs so easily

>> No.28994164

>>28993921
>>28993967
That shiteater still beat Vox. Cope harder.

>> No.28994227

>>28994026
I think it’s the opposite, vtubers probably go radio silent off stream(don’t interact much) and probably mainly interact through meetings and shit. It is a job at the end of the day, gotta have some time to yourself.

Tldr; they’re not best friends off stream, they all got their own shit going on

>> No.28994375

>>28993307
Nigga, vox can have the entire Vtuberfag market for all I care. Enjoy your fucking vox streams. As a holochad I'm HOPING that he'll fucking utterly destroy them.

>> No.28994411

>>28994164
>>28994118
If only her subs payed what you all promised they'd pay
>She's getting lots of money elsewhere! You just have to wait for it to be published!
>When superchats are open to ID She'll mog Vox hard
Meanwhile Vox and Salome waiting patiently in top 3 spots

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28994477

You day that, but people are already shipping holos with stars and talking about mixed collabs. Hell, just check r*ddit front page, its full of people shipping Ina with the blue boy.
Lets see how this goes a month from now on. Can hololive really hold this position with r*ddit, twitter and YouTube urging them to interact with males?

>> No.28994516

>>28994227
you'd be right, if it weren't for the fact that most of the girls on NijiEN and a good half on HoloEN mention very frequently getting DM's in the off hours, or staying on in VC after a stream
Sana's circle, for instance, have a group server for Discord

>> No.28994562

>>28994477
Can they fucking ship Mori with them to piss her off instead of the other 10 holoENs? And at least produce something of value in the process.

>> No.28994584

I think all normalfags, twitter users and redditors can fuck off and die

>> No.28994593

>>28994411
>caring about how much money your favorite streamer makes
Holy autism
Kobo beats vox in all relevant stats. Subs, CCV, VOD views. No matter how much money chink fujos spend on vox, it doesn't make him less or more relevant

>> No.28994620

>>28994411
>Moves the goalpost
Typical.

>> No.28994662

>>28992481
>appropriates culture
>destroys culture
How imperialistic of you. Educate yourself and do better.

>> No.28994734

>>28994620
Goalposts have always been Revenue for Vox, it's Kobokeks that keep trying to swap between "Active viewers" and "Total subs"

There's a reason Kobokeks stopped mentioning Salome....because she absolutely bodied Kobo in all 3 fronts, after Kobokeks arrogantly challenged Salome to this stupid race

>> No.28994864

>>28994734
This is a thread about nijiEN and holoEN
If you want to bring nijiJP into the argument, I can just bring Pegora who is back to destroying Salome on CCV already

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>>28992252
Differences between HoloEN and NijiEN
>HoloEN
peepee

>NijiEN
poopoo

>> No.28994992

>>28992481
> idolfags are an extremely tiny minority in this fandom

Anon, are you confused? This is the Hololive fans you're talking to. This is idolfag central, the fuck are you talking about?

>> No.28995022

>>28994734
>Goalposts have always been Revenue for Vox
Ok? We were talking about subs, anon.
>There's a reason Kobokeks stopped mentioning Salome
>Salome of NijiJP
Look at the title of the thread.

>> No.28995123 [DELETED] 

>>28995022
>>28994864
>Bring up Kobo of NijiID
The irony is palpable, are you that assblasted you lost AGAIN?

>> No.28995194

>>28992252
>Differences between HoloEN and NijiEN
>HoloEN: I don't watch
>NijiEN: I watch
Simple as that.

>> No.28995263

>>28995123
Touche, anon. You're right, Kobo isn't EN. Not sure why I brought that part up. You got me there.

>> No.28995291

>>28994864
Maybe don't bring up an ID then?

>> No.28995313

>>28995123
Kobo was brought up just to make fun of your lord, who got beaten by a shit eater
She's not relevant to the topic.
He gets half of Gura's CCV either way

>> No.28995448

>>28995263
Vox still got mogged by a shiteater tho

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>>28993307
No one was shitting on Vox so calm down Chink Fujo-chan, your loser daddy will stream again soon.

>> No.28997861

>>28992481
>Because gender separation isn't normal
Lmao tard
Every study done on co-ed and segregated learning shows that boys and girls learn better when separated.
>TRUST THE SCIENCE!!
you "I fucking love SCIENCE!" faggot

>> No.28997972

>>28992481
>Because gender separation isn't normal
no, a lot of job would separate gender, athlete are separated by gender, in this case even Yagoo said that they are aiming for different audience that's they separate the group, doesn't mean they can't collab or anything tho, it is just their marketing strategy
>idolfags are an extremely tiny minority in this fandom
now you're just being retarded or you mean unicornfags ? because they are different

>> No.28998000

>>28992481
>Because gender separation isn't normal
Well shit, maybe they should do away with separate restrooms then. Men and women should be allowed to piss and shit besides each other!

>> No.28998086

>>28998000
They actually do have those and they are fine.

>> No.28998203

>>28992444
Trips confirm

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28998453

>>28992376
>>28992481
>>28993754

Since 2019 the entirety of this stupid shitposting war has centered on idolniggers parasitizing this hobby using Holo's Covid-era boost as a trojan horse and trying to dictate terms to everybody else. Since 2021 to this point of 2022, the absolute flop of Council and the collapse of the Covid boost meant idolfags lost all steam and can no longer try to control discussion.

Anything else is re-writing history. I mean, par for the course since idolniggers have 'shameless liar' as one of their key traits right under 'pedophile', 'control freak', and 'stalker', but it bears re-stating, over and over and over again, that this is not and never was an idolnigger hobby. YOU are the invaders, and you have no idea how fucking great it is to know you squandered your brief time in the sun so completely.

>> No.28998635

Hololive promptly got off the China cock when they realized what the rest of the world knows, dealing with China is fucking trash.

Nijisanji is taking the China cock so far up their ass they're almost chocking on it. I'm waiting for one of their members to say something innocuous, like Winnie the Pooh is their favorite Disney character or something. The same nanosecond the rage of billions of chinese bots will rain down upon Nijisanji, like the whole Taiwan situation.

>> No.28998703

>>28992481
The whole principle of vtube is a type of idol culture, and most of the fandom agree with this, and is here for that. And the greatest example is how successful Holo Jp branch is

>> No.28998782

>>28998453
/thread
Well said

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>>28998453
Streamerniggers are actually the only true invaders of vtubing. Vtubing should never have stopped being about skits and normal videos.

>> No.28998842

>>28998453
>>28998635
the schizo inside me is telling me this is samefagging but you two should kiss

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Toasting in an epic bread!

>> No.28999180

>>28998787
VTubing has always been a form of streaming though. Has always been since Homestar Runner was big 2 decades ago. Whatever helps you cope at night though.

>> No.28999205

>>28998635
The NijiEN males have already referenced Taiwan as it's own separate country multiple times, and the girls have joked about Winnie the Pooh before. The female chinese teenagers and OLs that are crazy about Luxiem are not the same as the rabid anti-hololive chinks.

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>>28999180
Now this is some grade A cope

>> No.28999534

>>28998703
>The whole principle of vtube is a type of idol culture
Absolutely not, the first vtubers were people like Eileen just experimenting and not really trying to be idols, that didn't happen till Kizuna Ai and later Hololive, you're basically acting as if Holos invented vtubing, they didn't

>> No.28999887

>>28999534
Didn't you know? The "Christmas Miracle" was actually the great messiah Sora descending from heaven to bless the world with the gift of vtubing.

>> No.28999961

>>28998635
>I'm waiting for one of their members to say something innocuous, like Winnie the Pooh is their favorite Disney character or something.
https://youtu.be/98fTChfYDpY
Literally her first stream after debut

>> No.29000103

>>28999260
Not cope when Holo JP is virtually irrelevant to the point of complete and total collapse now
https://note.com/anrimayura/n/nc313a6f5e28d

>> No.29000189

>>28999887
>this is what holonewfags actually believe
I bet you've never even stepped foot in /vyt/. AI Kizuna Christmas Live dominated the thread in 2017.

>> No.29000213

>>28998635
Absolute rent free.

>> No.29000324

Isnt this getting boring?

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29000498

>>29000103
>Starts screeching about Hololive for no reason
Fuck off you analphabet

>> No.29000575

>>29000103
Oh geez a schizo article is saying hololive is stagnating... in January...
Wonder how silly he felt after holofes

>> No.29000683

>>29000575
That article was edited in July though. His points still stand, even if they're a bit biased or schizo.

>> No.29000752

>>29000324
>Holofag calling anything boring
KEK

>> No.29001040

>>29000324
As you can see with this example >>29000752
It's just a cycle and they can only help themselves. It is fun to watch

>> No.29001108

>>29000683
He is arguing that hololive is stagnating yet half his points are about EN stagnating and nijiEN growing, which are true I guess, but I don't see how a sidebranch and a couple of kusoges are going to be the downfall of holoJP, and his entire argument is obliterated by holofes' resounding success

>> No.29001238

>>28993307
Lmao, Vox won't finish his endurance stream again like last time.

>> No.29002049

Just a reminder you Schizo Tribalist Holofags and Nijiniggers your oshi doesn't give a fuck about you and never will you all are arguing about people who are only doing this shit because it makes them money

Grow the fuck up and realize you are just arguing about people playing as virtual avatars on the internet. No one fucking cares what 'group' they are a part of.

>> No.29002779

>>29002049
But then why do holofags need to act like complete retards and obsess over their cult's financial performance? Everyone else can enjoy streams and have fun.

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>>28992376
None of that matters, it's Cover that saw the success in Luxiem thus scrambled to recruit for an EN Stars. If Niji EN never debuted men then Cover wouldn't think about trying to make a Stars EN.

Enjoy, and I'm still not watching.

>> No.29003023

>>29002049
I'm just here to shitpost. Are people actually unironincally arguing about this stupid shit which doesn't affect them?

>> No.29003308

>>29002944
Just like Niji scrambled to rebrand their failed India branch to Niji EN as an answer to Holo EN, and then later fire them and speedrun in some actual english streamers a year later?

>> No.29003337
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29003337

Hololive
-- girls are hired for their talent. Don't know each other, or work well together. Very weak group dynamics.

Nijisanij
-- The girls were all indies together going back for years. Mysta, Pomu, Elira, Millie, Finana, Rosemi.....etc all streamed together way before joining Nijisanji. In particular, Pomu and Millie were very beloved by their fans who supported them through rough times. Therefore they have very strong group dynamics, and are genuinely friends together. Watching their collab streams is a pleasure, the natural way they talk and laugh with each other. It feels like you're among old friends.

The girls in hololive are technically more talented (uhh except the council)
But the girls in Nijisanji have something they don't, genuine freindship.

>> No.29003525

>>29003337
DYRBI?

>> No.29003529

>>29003337
>hololive
>talent
Lulkekmao!

>> No.29006737

>>28992252
This is fine
Let's port the mentally insane SJWs to Niji
Finana will educate them

>> No.29006974

>>28992481
>Because gender separation isn't norma
I can't go into a women's bathroom

>> No.29007225

>>29003337
As a fan of both, the NijiEN girls absolutely had the benefit of being all Americans and Canadians, and basically all being in the same time zone. Those two things let them spend way more time with each other much easier.
HoloMyth definitely has strong friendships with each other, but the five of them being spread so far across the world absolutely hurts their group dynamic. They just can't as easily get together to hang out all the time and just sit in discord with each other all day like the NijiEN girls can.

>> No.29007784

>>29003023
yes anon, do you know where you are?
this place is full of either retards who care too much about meaningless shit or shitposters feeding into those peoples beliefs.

>> No.29007943

>>29003337
>Mysta

>> No.29009430

>>28998086
Is it the norm, tho?

>> No.29012267

>Differences between HoloEN and NijiEN
one is good and one is bad. /thread

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