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Why is it that this fandom is such a circlejerk anywhere that isn't 4chan? I tried pointing out how awful irys' model looks on youtube once and people came down on me like a pile of bricks trying to gaslight me. Same with any vtuber songs, you literally can't give any minor criticism without them going apeshit.

>> No.28814233

normies are fucked up in the head

>> No.28814258

>circlejerk
lewd

>> No.28814291

Hilariously when she gets her new model they will celebrate and the irony will be lost on them.

>> No.28814412

>>28814185
Because people are afraid of getting banned or the talents reading their comments, he only place other than here where you can speak your mind more or less is twitter somehow...

>> No.28814436

"Model bad" is a meme that people here took too seriously. Normies don't know the meme.

>> No.28814443

You're not wrong, but any actual feedback would be drowned in a sea of retarded jokes or meaningless support posted before the song premiere even started, what are you doing there?
Youtube comments only exist to leave anything there to boost your oshi's visibility to the algorithm. If you really want to get their attention, you leave your feedback on twitter in a way they'll only find when egosearching, not even in their tags.

>> No.28814481

>>28814185
(((celebrity worship))) in the west leaks into vtuber culture, unfortuately.

>> No.28814585

>>28814185
anon, you cannot call people niggers in baltimore nilly willy either, it's time to wake up from 4chinz and face the real world

>> No.28814631

>>28814185
Because you're wrong, and the model is good.

>> No.28814691

>/here/
>not a circlejerk
DYRBI?

>> No.28814709

>>28814185
The opposite extreme you find here is actively just as bad, but in a different way. You can't even know who is genuinely criticizing anymore because there are 24/7 falseflaggers and tribalists looking to stir up shit. And besides, the hatedom random things get here get just as circlejerky. If you legitimately care about discussion, stick to a specific fork or just talk about it amongst your personal friend group. This board is only good for shitposting/sometimes getting news and announcements.

>> No.28814777

>>28814185
>Spoke to Irys' fans
>Surprised when they like her model

Anon...

>> No.28814796

Because the people with negative opinions simply post here. If you look at the subreddit everyone there is aware of /vt/ and references it all the time.

I'd say twitter is more prone to negative posts it's really just the subreddit that is outright forced positivity.

>> No.28814944

Only place on the internet where differing opinions are not only tolerated, but given equal weight and encouraged. I can say that I disagree with you (and I do, I find IRyS's model endearing) but ultimately there's nothing I can do to prevent you from stating your opinion and having it be just as visible as anyone else's. That's the beauty of this place and the reason it will always have a place in the fandom. If you're a vtuber and you're looking for genuine critique where the hell else are you gonna go? As you said any place where a name and profile is attached invariably becomes a race to see who can suck the most dick and shout down dissenting opinions the hardest.

>> No.28815022

>>28814709
based and well measured reply, bless you

>> No.28815059

>>28814585
Lmao, In what world does saying a model is bad equate to calling someone the n word.

>> No.28815190

>>28814944
>all freedom of expression in the world
>holobronies, vwhojos, nijishit, my chuuba is the nicest and have good hair, yours is a meanie and have ugly hair and hang with losers etc.
>...
>...
>also check out these cool numbers!

>> No.28815221

>>28814185
>people disagree with you, making you realize you're in the minority

>come to 4chan to cry about it

The irony in your circlejerk comment is pretty funny. Hope you feel a flash of embarrassment when you realize I'm right, faggot.

>> No.28815380

Almost every fangroup is a circlejerk. Here and the kiwis just shame retards

>> No.28815426

The hololive global is like 50% redditors too which is annoying.
>NO YOU CAN'T DISLIKE THE COMPANY WHILE WATCHING THE STREAMS THAT'S NOT ALLOWED
I don't care about your ebin yagoo memes

>> No.28815508

>>28814185
I don't know, why don't you walk up to a priest in church and ask him to bless your willy when I can do that at your mom's house whenever I want? It's because different venues have different social norms, autist, and youtube song comments aren't typically the place to criticize songs

>> No.28815548

I cannot possibly imagine why would anyone get upset at you for talking about shit nobody asked, in a place where they go to have fun
They are the problem for sure, not you

>> No.28815732

the same reason why people trying to be sensible are ostracized here

>> No.28815777

>>28814185
>/vt/ isn't a circlejerk
This take would be cute if it weren't so retarded. Anonchama, this place is both a circlejerk and a containment system for schizofags who aren't capable of expressing their opinions like well-adjusted people. This may come as a shock to you, but people can disagree with your opinion and that doesn't make them wrong. With that out of the way, the problem is that there isn't anywhere to disagree or speak critically in a way that's constructive and doesn't just turn into a shitfest, so a lot of people just don't bother. Additionally, what's the point of getting in an internet pissing match over something no amount of crying and pants-shitting will ever fix? IRyS' design is the way it is, probably won't change all that much, and people who either like it or can get past it being a bit weird will watch her. People who hate it and can't get past it won't.
>people came down on me like a pile of bricks trying to gaslight me
There is probably a plurality of people who like or don't care about IRyS' model. If you bring up not liking it, fucking of course people who disagree with you are going to respond. Other than people on /vt/ with worms in their brains, most people don't want to hang around a bunch of complainers getting into slapfights online. Your question does however highlight the fact that vtubing is a hobby that really doesn't have a good way to provide meaningful feedback from an audience to a vtuber, especially if that audience has some kind of criticism. Signs like viewers or subscribers leaving are obvious ones, but considering the quality of discourse on places like /vt/, there's no feedback of any kind of value available prior to that point. Tools like marshmallow could be useful for that but it never fucking works out like that because shizofags gonna schizofag. If somebody ever figures out a method to allow viewers to give useful, actionable constructive feedback to vtubers, it could make a huge difference.

>> No.28815813

>>28814185
The same reason you can have a reasonable argument with most people today.

>> No.28815830

stating the objective fact that irys is gorgeous is not gaslighting you, you oversensitive coom addict

>> No.28815834

>>28815059
Nigger*

>> No.28816064

>>28814185
Your first issue is commenting on youtube. Youtube comments are the absolute worst. You arent wrong that Irys has an awful model though, it looks like trash when she moves around and its very offputting until you literally just get used to it and accept that, that's what she has. I didnt watch any irys content for the longest time because of it.

>> No.28816264

Go back

>> No.28816794

>>28815190
Anyone who's not talking about what they want to talk about or holding their true opinions back has no one to blame for it but themselves.

>> No.28817101

>>28814185
hey look, it's my wife

>> No.28818101

>>28814185
The anonymity here allows people to share their true feelings about things without repercussion unless it breaks a rule. The content of your post means everything, while your identity is completely meaningless. This makes more people feel inclined to give their honest thoughts about things, if that's their intention. Compared to other websites, posts are sorted here by order of when they were posted. Elsewhere, they're sorted by how many people upvote you. This directly enables a circlejerk, because despite it not being the intended purpose, people will certainly upvote things they agree with, and downvote things they disagree with, just because they agree or disagree. Dissenting opinions are pushed further down where less people will read it.
A poster in other places will think "This message I'm about to send will be associated with my account, which people will be able to look up later on", and if they get past that hurdle and actually post what they feel like saying, they have to deal with the gauntlet of people pushing down their input just because they don't like it.
It's a two-step process that psychologically manipulates you into not posting unless you have something very positive to say that people will like, because otherwise you are looked down upon by others, they will remember your name, and carry that negative opinion of you with them for as long as they care to remember.
The same happens on Discord servers; while there are no downvotes or upvotes, there certainly is clique-like behavior. The topic initially starts out as the vtuber, but it strays further and further from the topic of the vtuber, until the point where you realize that you've joined a server that uses vtubers as a front for the owners to prop up their own popularity among the fanbase, and possibly serve as a vehicle to gain recognition from the vtuber their server is in "service to", as a fan server is seen by some as a nice thing to build, so the person who set up the popular one gets credit for that.
These are only some of the reasons why, despite all the shitposting, the bait, the falseflags, the dramabaiting, the metaposting, the rampant schizophrenia, off-topic IRL shit, etc. that I think 4chan is the best place for English-speaking people to discuss vtubers.
It's anonymous enough that people don't prop other posters up on a pedestal, you can't be downvoted for sharing your honest thoughts, you don't have to suck the owner's cock, most vtubers certainly aren't going to want to mention this place directly, and while a bunch of shit gets posted here, the pros I've listed outweigh the cons.

>> No.28819314

>>28814185
People outside here have actual opinions, lmao imagine thinking 4chan niggers aren't always lying and trolling, you're so fucking gullible.

>> No.28819435

>>28814185
Yeah, I posted some shit on Ame's Q&A and I got fucking assaulted by tons of those guys. Nobody commented for my side. Just a bunch of literal retards.

>> No.28819456

>>28814185
>this fandom
Polite society is a giant circlejerk of hypocrites, sycophants and liars. Lies are for the public, truths are whispered in private. That's the way it's always been. People, am I right?

>> No.28819506

>>28814185
People here have a higher degree of anonymity so they fell free to be more sincere

>> No.28819510

>>28815059
>N word
Anon, you are in 4chan.

>> No.28819613

>>28814185
I don't get why people think her model is so awful, it looks okay to me. The style is just completely different than the rest of hololive

>> No.28819806

>>28814185
You really think this board isn't a circlejerk? Try posting your opinion that IRyS is kind of a boring streamer and her singing doesn't have much personality and watch a hoard of faggots jump all over you and call you a schizo or something.

>> No.28819808
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>>28814291
I like redjuice's style. If she ends up looking like picrelated it'll unironically be a downgrade

>> No.28820327

>>28814185
Nobody likes timeloops anon

>> No.28821521

>>28814185
the general threads here are circlejerk hugboxes, only the catalog is actually based
if you dont have an approved opinion you will get called some kind of buzzword or a shitposter

>> No.28822316

>>28821521
based catalognigger

>> No.28822766

>>28814585
>point out that a model is ugly
>somehow racist
Jesus christ get off twitter.

>> No.28822844

>>28821521
Who's your oshi? I'd like to help you improve the thread.

>> No.28822902

>>28814185
A circlejerk of piss and vinegar like 4chan is want to have is still a circlejerk anon

>> No.28822930

>>28814585
You can if you're conceal carrying.

>> No.28822987

ITT: autism

>> No.28822995

>>28814185
I don't think the model is bad but I do think the model is a massive bitch of a problem to make 3D.

>> No.28823156

>>28822844
Mori.

>> No.28823163

So you gave a criticism around her fans and you're surprised that they didn't take it well? Try doing it in the /HIRyS/ thread as well check if they have a similar reaction.

>> No.28823195

>>28823156
Cool, post membership to confirm. Dont want to help any falseflagger.

>> No.28823250

>>28823195
if you have a doubt, it's probably real

>> No.28823283

>>28814185
I actually like her model

>> No.28823310

>>28814291
That would be pretty funny. Kind of weird that IRyS went through the whole Michale Jackson gambit. Goes through lightening her own skin because she hated being darker and now possibly getting a nose job as her update that she fought to have but not the outfit she still hasn't gotten?

>> No.28823682

>>28822930
you might lose that one in court though, if you have to shoot
if you are seen in any way to have incited it or to have been provoking in any way, you've already lost one of the points of self defense and could find yourself behind bars
and thats the problem: anyone who needs to be made aware of their nigger behavior will immediately attack anyone who comes close to calling them out

>> No.28824021

>>28821521
That's only if the posters are acting in good faith
If you are a schizo you can manufacture outrage against your object of schizophrenia by posting several hate threads yourself and manipulating the catalog's opinion. If you are dedicated enough, or have even a few discord friends to help you, you can easily make it seem that this place hates X vtuber. Then you get retarded bandwagoners and drama addicts on it and they start parroting those same manufactured opinions/fake news, and you have manipulated the board into believing whatever you want.

>> No.28824285

>>28824021
the term is catalognigger, and that anon is most definitely one because no one defend them ever, aside from themselves, on days where they feel ballsy enough to not hide behind irony

>> No.28824882

>>28819456
based and true

>> No.28827347

>>28819808
no because irys womt have a nigger model roru

>> No.28827848

>>28814185
They are literally just coping Kek, it's funny but they will never get their redesign in the next 2 years and a song that that is good that can reach 1M again any time soon

>> No.28827981

>>28814185
I'm sorry your feelings were so hurt you had to cry about it in /vt/

You're in good company here

>> No.28828124

>>28814185
You do not know what gaslighting means, you used in a completely incorrect way.

>> No.28828137

>>28814185
Because people here are used to being rude and pieces of shit, whereas other places require you to be polite and well behaved.

You got thrown out of the country club for being an uncouth bum.

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28828248

>Why is it that this fandom is such a circlejerk anywhere that isn't 4chan?

>> No.28829183

>>28814185
>get btfo
>take his grievance to 4chan
kek faggot

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