what caused their downfall?

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>>28594665

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debuting males

you had one job, and you fucked it up

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>>28594665
Lack of effort. Nijisanji overtaking them in quality

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>>28594665
What caused a Nijinigger to make this shitpost thread? Are you that threatened by Hololive?

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>>28594665
Draconian restrictions, abusive management, and firing their top 2 talents. What more needs to be said?

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>>28594713
How is that a dealbreaker? Multiple of the Holo girls already have confirmed boyfriends and multiple have already collabed with males. I don't see how a male wave changes anything.

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>>28594665
The most retarded management known to humankind.

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Upwards downfall?

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>>28594665

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>>28594783
NTA but Nijisanji suffers from the same problems. VShojo and other small corpos/indies are the future in light of both of the Big 2 in freefall mode.

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>got btfo china

face it faggots, the chinks won. Nothing will ever matter without pandering to the chingchong. you are all irrelevant unless you start learning chinese and learn to kowtow to your new masters.

its ogre

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>>28594812
Retard, that just shows that their numbers before Coco's graduation were the peak and everything else is mere peanuts in comparison. I'm a Holofag btw.

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>>28594713
This is it anons. Even those of us who don't buy into the waifu mentality. No guy wants to see other guys succeed and hang out with their favorite vtubers. Even if they don't want to admit it. It's human nature.

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>>28594817
Based peko

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>>28594901
OK Zhang. Btw, thanks for helping me make VShojo may new fave group now. Anyone that makes your bat soup eating ass seethe is based for triggering the fuck out of you insects.

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>>28594665
their fanbase of retards that eat up any garbage they put out

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i for one want Vshojo Jp to succeed, and shake things up in JP scene, Cover and Niji management needs some rude awakening

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>>28594665
Males. This is a symptom of a deeper problem - Hololive lost touch with their audience, and after exploiting the original fanbase they're throwing us to the dogs. They failed to realize that the only reason why they were popular was because we wanted idols in English. By abandoning this concept they abandoned their one and only redeeming and defining feature. Without idols, they are nothing. And on top of that girls like Ame, Mori and Ina were never penalized after shitting on the audience. Their ego became inflated.

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>>28594812
> manipulated shit from /#/
numberfags should be banned

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>>28594910
??? Are your eyes working anon?

Their numbers now and pre-Coco graduation are literally almost identical, except that they are now on an UPWARDS trajectory.

Cope, seethe, rent-free, fake holofag.

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>>28595041
It's happening. By early 2023 VShojo JP will be in 2nd behind one of Hololive or Nijisanji, unaware of which one.

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>>28594800
the fans are in denial

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>>28594910
What a retard, stop falseflaging as a holofag when you can't read a graph.

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>>28594910
Peak was 6 months after Coco graduation, China is useless and irrelevant.

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>>28594812
That's a doctored graph. Their views are at least 20K-30K lower on average than last year at this time.

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>>28595110
I don't think OP is talking about numbers. I think OP is talking about why they are no longer really the center of attention, or why they are no longer very fun. Most of the fun is at the other corpos now, they are feeling very stale.

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They decided to make an EN side branch

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>>28595168
See>>28595106
You posted a manipulated graph from /#/
>>28595174
No it wasn't. Their December numbers were among the worst all of last year. I literally witnessed the cope from you lot in /#/ when Niji was raking in the golds.

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>>28594665

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>>28595146
the only thing is, according to Kson, VshojoJP has no intention, for now, to expand. It should be the opposite, they should push constantly new chuubas, to at least 4-5 members, then dynamic and community will form.

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>>28595235
>Downfall
>I don't think OP is talking about numbers

I don't think you can describe anything as a "downfall" without talking numbers tho. At that point, it's just you saying why you, specifically, don't watch anymore.

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>>28594665
me

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>>28595378
>VshojoJP has no intention, for now, to expand.
She's being coy here. Tempering expectations for a bigger surprise later as many Holos' are on expiring contracts and are most likely not going to return is where it all comes to play.

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>>28595110
Talking more about how people are slowly ditching Hololive for VShojo now that their bread and butter are with them and are better than ever unfiltered.

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>>28595235
This as well. Hololive is on the same level as Sony or something now, they're just a very sterile and corporate in the worst possible way. The way they're milking Gura is industrial as fuck. It's an utterly soulless corpo. And I say it again, the moment males came about it was clear they have no goddamn idea what to do and that they don't give a shit about the fans. I don't take Niji seriously because again, males.

The future really is in small corpos and indies. These two mammoths are ripe for extinction and it's due to their own stupidity and greed.

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>>28595235
>no longer really the center of attention
of whose attention? yours? sorry to say anon but in the grand scheme of things you aren't worth all that much

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>>28594665
number wise they are fine, downfall is in the content, it's sanitized, most of it feels the same, there's no individuality, creativity, holos stopped taking risks experimenting with their content, just another cute girl playing fotm game screaming occasionally.
Hololive completely lost its soul when cover understood that they're the mainstream, just compare early 2020 and this year so far, you will see the difference,

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>>28595398
They are debuting males now, unironically. That's a downfall
They put spats on everyone. That's a downfall
They sell out to china, that's a downfall.

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>>28595534
>Hololive completely lost its soul when cover understood that they're the mainstream, just compare early 2020 and this year so far, you will see the difference,
Pretty much. Losing Coco was also a huge slap, she was a really nice contrast from the other girls.

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>>28594713
but holostars were there for a while anon and it wasn't a problem because most of the time they know how to behave, with this new dudes however everything is on the table.

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>>28595449
maybe, i hope so honestly, cause stopping at two members would be a waste of resource, also they should prepare as fast as possible Nazuna 3d and make 3d concert, or live just to fuck around and show they can do that too.

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>>28594665
Viral marketing isn't a long term strategy

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>>28595104
Holostars are idols, too. If they are not, then Hololive are not, too.
Idolfags are braindead.

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>>28595449
Who do you think would be willing to join? I only imagine nijisanji graduates

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>>28594665
live2d
return to videos.

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>>28595666
Got halfway through the first green sentence and gave up, lefty memes are tl;dr

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>>28594665
The only downfall is Cover pandering to idolfag. Good riddance, I guess.

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>>28595235
will you elaborate on what is it that others do that's somehow more interesting? I'll wait.

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>>28595653
Males shouldn't collab with vtubers. Don't care about anything else.

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>its literally the same people posting the same retarded shit again
you fags managed to make shitposting boring.

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>>28594665
>Doing better than ever
>Downfall
Only in 4chan

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>>28595824
We used to fun schizos, now we have boring trolls.

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>>28595831
Hololive and Nijisanji are the capeshit of vtubing. That's the point.

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>>28594665
Implosion of their Chinese branch, losing two massive moneymakers, destabilization of EN side, appearance of actual concurrency...
Also their focus on multimedia and non-streaming stuff makes comparison difficult to make. Yes their streaming number got smaller but they also have their 3D shows and variety content and work on turning Hololive into actual multimedia franchise. They are spreading past just streaming.

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>>28595915
DC and Marvel and bunch of niche indies...damn vtubers really do be like comics.

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>>28595861
>>28595774
Voxcord fat whale.

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>>28594665
-Fucking over some of their top talent and basically handing them over for free to Vshojo. Basically no system or people in place to handle big yabs and just let their talent fend for themselves leading to the worst possible outcomes.
-Completely neutered their male talent by heavily restricting collabs on top of forcing them to still be Hololive™ family friendly in terms of content.
-Same "family friendly" idol image still limits their content and growth. Niji and Vshojo are still much better at catering to more niche interests.
-Let Nijisanji beat them to market on EN male V-tubers.
-Despite supposedly being #1 company, still let's completely inexcusable blunders slip through like multiple botched 3D models, Guras 2nd outfit, Irys and Sana's entire design.
-Complete incompetence in their talent scouting for EN. First gen was fine but when they were on top of the world and could've had anyone they wanted, how the fuck did they end up with Sana while Niji got Selen. Also they probably could've had Vox if they hadn't been so late creating a male branch.

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I swear you fags live in an alternate universe.

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>>28595915
And some 2view indie is high art?

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>>28594812
Maybe OP is from Australia.

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>>28595930
They ARE spreading in all directions, and I'm just not interested. I don't care about anything else but streams and vtubing. I couldn't give the slightest shit about their "franchize" bullshit.

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>>28594713
>>28594958
>>28595580
So they fucked up back in 2019? I dunno anon, that seems like a really retarded take.

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>>28594703
okite okite...

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>>28595041
Lazy Vshojo whores and their boyfriends aint a real replacement for hololive, half of them don't even bother to stream. Find a better bait faggot.

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>>28596034
No. It's fun vtubing. Which Hololive and Nijisanji are not.

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>>28596111
why do 4 out of 5 look like chicks?

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>>28595811
I think you should check them out. They're always doing fun stuff.

One thing that made a big impression on me. I was watching 2 streams side by side.
On the left, was Mumei's boring-as-fuck chatting stream with 8000 people. The chat is completely bored, barely staying awake. On the right, is Miori and Yuuna's epic karaoke collab, which completely brought the house down, with 800 people.

Look at the chats, who do you think is having more fun? Who is having a more enjoyable experience?
The reason why so many people are watching this boring Mumei stream, instead of partying, is because:
A) they don't know about the other stream
B) they are such hololive fanboys they choose the more boring stream
Either way it's really shocking to see this state of affairs.

Sometimes the nijis do massive group collabs, or special events, or fun streams, while hololive has nothing happening. Sometimes there's an epic stream at the smaller corporations that you want to watch. But people refuse, they spend all their time shepherding from hololive stream, to hololive stream, and waiting bored through the dead hours. If you had more options at your disposal, you'd have better choices to make.

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>>28595774
sounds pretty based to me, I don't watch Vtubers for twitch shit.

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>>28594665
Hololive only downfall in your head nijinigger

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>>28594665
Managers are the boss bullshit, promotions, sponsor shillings.

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>>28594665
>There was once a dream that was Pure Idols. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile.
-Yagoo

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>>28596147
this nigger don't get it, by having competition hololive will have to strive to be better, by not having competition it will just wither to safe content, stagnating.

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>>28596230
There's no way you put a karaoke stream and a chatting stream next to eachother and compared which one is more exciting....

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>>28596230
>I think you should check them out
no

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>>28595596
Not only did they fuck up protecting Coco, but they also nuked Rushia over something clearly stupid.

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>>28596523
Yeah, obviously the karaoke stream. So why are so many people irrationally choosing the boring chat?

Tribalism does not benefit the consumer. What benefits the consumer the most is having the largest number of choices at their disposal. Pic related, here's an example of what I mean. Can you see why being a hololive-only is bad?

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>>28595653
It's not even idolfags. It's holobronies. Idolfags care about the talents, not the old shits managing them. Holobronies are defective enough to worship Cover.

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>>28596111
We can't understand them so they don't count. Also 4/5 are femboys and the one that isn't is a based chad.

These EN holostars just look like faggot simps.

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>>28596418
Hololive CANNOT become better because they wasted all the goodwill they had with retards like Mori and now the male yab. Once male collabs are a thing you can't go back. The dream is dead, the illusion is shattered, it's fucked beyond repair.

The future is small corpos and indies which cater to this or that niche, both HoloEN and NijiEN are just bloated corpses that have fucked themselves into pieces.

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>>28596621
you're one of those quantity over quality guys, got it

[Anonymous No.]

more like what caused /vt/ to be the worst board on 4chan.
it's like we got the worst of twitter/reddit/kiwifarms/discord/twitch in one place
/vt/ is so divided, it's just apes throwing shit at each other. we can't gatekeep, can't get any shit done

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>>28596991
the consequences of breaking containment

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>>28596167
Matter of taste. I rather take Endgame over Sharknado any day.

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you know, sometimes i wish this rampant numberfagging would break out of this board, and people would start talking how *their* oshi mogs *your* oshi and actually wants her to kill herself, to the point where actual chuubas would have to go on damage control, but people would still keep doing it, saying she`s just trying to save face. that`d be pretty funny.
no, i will not be taking my meds.

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>>28596991
>/vt/ is so divided,
and that's a good thing, dumbass redditor
you wish you could downvote people with different opinions but 4channel doesn't work that way
NIGGER

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>>28594665

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>>28596621
Pretty sure people are just Lazy. The Holobox works because it's 100x much easier to know what is happening within Hololive regardless of which streamer you choose to watch in Hololive due to the amount of content/discussion fans pump out for them on a daily basis.
Even if Mumei's chatting stream is much more "boring" than a karaoke stream, people will prefer to hang out with Mumei (assuming you aren't already fan of her) just because whatever reference/jokes she makes during it are things you'll be able to understand due to just being in Hololive.

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>>28596991
gatekeeping stopped working on 4chan as a whole because the problem is the people wanting to be "le hardcore anonymoose" because they got banned from reddit, /vt/ is just the first major board made after 2016 so it gets a lot of the heat. The only way to fix that is with actual moderation but hiro is asleep at the wheel and i'm convinced the team assigned to this board were told to sabotage it with how bad they are

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>>28596991
i blame holobronies, unity = leeching for them

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weird, you say hololive is not relevant anymore but it still lives rent-fre in your head

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>>28595449
I wonder why don't they also hire notlulu too

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>>28594713
Males have been around for awhile now that they are speaking English your panites are in a knot??? Fucking idiot.

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>>28597643
Maybe because she's happy being an indie and doesn't want to join? Why the fuck do you people want everyone to join your corpo wars? Let her be her own thing, she's happy.

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>>28596621
because people like her more it's not rocket science

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>>28596991
>more like what caused /vt/ to be the worst board on 4chan
All kind of English vtubers, they allowed people too dumb to learn Japanese to post here without being instantly outed as retards, there are plenty of threads for vtubers that have nothing going on for them except for the fact they speak English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28597289
Anonchama... Theres a big difference between being retarded schizo sometimes and being just retard all the time.

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>>28594851
Lol lmao

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>>28596586
They were completely right to nuke Rushia for the idiot she is.

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>>28594703

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>>28597770
>Why
Nah I'm neutral on this topic, rather I'm just curious since Vshojo seems seriously want to shake Holo and Niji's bipolarity domination by recruiting the former 2 top earners of Holo and ex-CEE of Anikara, why they don't also do the same with her

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>>28594851
Nijisanji is literally on the rise and they just announced a new wave. Let me know when Vshojo and small corpos are actually entertaining!

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28594910
>I can't read a graph
>It's downward anyway despite graph
>I'm a holofag believe me guys
Does being retarded full time pay good?? Asking for a friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>28598011
Proof?

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>>28596991
Because my tribe good your tribe bad

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>>28598007
Oh okay yeah that makes sense. Tbh it's possible they have tried and it's in the works since kson and Nazuna took 3 months to go from scounting to fruition, but it's also likely they have tried and she just wants to stay indie.

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>>28598073
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1549408722446962690

[Anonymous No.]

>>28598089
That with added "popular things are bad" bonus.

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>>28596102
Well, then I have sad news for you because Hololive is project made by tech company and inspired by idol culture. Streaming is just an mean to the end for them, something that is more of an afterthought. They WILL put more focus on other activities than for example Nijisanji that from the start was hailing itself as project focused on streamers.

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>>28594665

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>>28597942
Which is why she got picked up by another company and is immediately a hit? This is why holobronies are defective. You're not a Japanese salaryman, so why give a shit about that stuff? Fans certainly didn't.

If Cover just gave her a month suspension and kept things quiet and more importantly didn't block her from releasing an apology video right away to clear up the misunderstanding, she would have been fine. But it was for the best that it happened because clearly Cover is a black company. Just look at how many talents had major problems this year alone.

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>>28594791
>Graduation=firing
>Keeping an NDA violating whore on your staff?
Vshojo picks the winners Kson went over for the easier money and because only a quarter of her fans gave enough of a fuck about her to follow over. Rushia can't hack it as an indie and her fans did the same shit to her so she needs that corpo boost to rebuild what does that tell you about
>Two of the best talents
Nigger Noels roommate does better as an asmr titty streamer its fucking pathetic that you pandering single brain cell fucks keep spewing this shit like its some hard fact when reality says otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
Under what metric?
Every graph I see about Hololive shows that they are doing it fine, so can you post your source about their decline?

[Anonymous No.]

The "cover bad" blogposts are coming!

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>>28598317
Why is she a hit in a new corpo but flopped as an indie? Really makes you wonder about who really is generating the numbers

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>>28598412
It came to me in a seeth induced fever dream

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>>28595449
what makes you think they want to join them ? Kson is one thing, she is just a retard with weird muh freedom ideal, Miguel have zero chance join them if she wasn't fired, you can always just do a Ayame, in Hololive they can even give talent like Aki a sponsor collab etc, in Vshojo they didn't do shit for you that's why they only got established indie to join them so they can leech on their IP

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>>28598317
>Which is why she got picked up by another company and is immediately a hit?
She got 50k on her debut, after getting raided by multiple Vshojo members.
And her last stream was 15k which is slightly above average if we concider the Debut buff still at play.
I like Rushia as much as the next guy, but from her debut/change of game to apex it's pretty clear Japanese fans are still wary of her.

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>>28598309
Niji is spreading into idol concerts too. If you want pure streamers you're going to have to stick to small corpos or indies.

[Anonymous No.]

not enough members...
they should debut new talent every month like nijisanji

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>>28598418
She was doing well as an indie. Her first stream generated pver 60k in superchats and even doing inconsistent content on Twitcast she had a lot of hardcore fans willing to give her money, but clearly she likes streaming under a corpo, just one not as shitty as Cover.

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>>28594703
biggest reason they became anything was their downfall?

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>>28596991
/vt/ is console wars, the board.
unity is just wishful thinking from redditors and virtue signaling fags.
the companies pander to different types of audiences

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>>28598596
Twitch numbers are also generally smaller. 15k on Twitch is huge.

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>>28594665
Pandering to China and terminating Coco and Haachama, and specifically doing that right before the fucking EN group.
Nijisanji already had the Chinese market, and those two were the only reasons that EOP cared for Hololive, so dumping them at that point was PR suicide. Their numbers never recovered.

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>>28598625
Niji is having idol concerts and stuff but still their main strategy is to hire dozens of actual streamers and just let them stream. Meanwhile Hololive is handpicking few members every year to become actual idols.

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>>28598317
>Which is why she got picked up by another company and is immediately a hit?
Only because Kson savior fagged her, doubtful that they picked her up otherwise. Mike is probably hard banned from Japanese Corpos because she is a liability.

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>>28598103
Ah yeah you're right since she knows how useless corpo can be, she might refuse their offer. Nice decision by her imho tho

[Anonymous No.]

> Meanwhile

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>>28598750
unityfags are the globalists of vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

The whole China fiasko is such a game of broken telephone at this point since very few on this board right now even watched Hololive when it was happening... Truth is whatever schizo of the week decides it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28596007
>Irys and Sana's entire design.
This is probably the worst part. Irys is such a nice girl cursed with a horrible design

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>>28598317
>raid
>all the hype
>50k
>immediately a hit
ain't she got better number as Miguel ?

also i doubt she would got fired if there is no krkr stream (which is still her fault) since something goes viral like that would create a major trust issue with other brand,sponsors and investors, you're probably underage and don't know how real world works if you don't even understand that

[Anonymous No.]

>>28598405
>>Keeping an NDA violating whore on your staff?
Instead they kept a rumor spreading whore on their staff so now they make less money and also have backstage poison. 200 IQ move by Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

the biggest problem is all the extracurriculars that are getting priority over streaming. I appreciate that they are ambitious and want to make high grade content but the cost is too high.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599165
>rumor spreading
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594703
If only she had talked about buttplugs and hard drugs for the five thousandth time, everything would have been so much different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599497
That person Mike tweeted out about months ago, likely a manager. Kson responded to her telling her to forget the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28597941
hello!

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>>28599497
No one. Only someone that believe what Mike says is true would say this.
And everything Mike says comes from the voices in her head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599599
>miguel tweet
rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599567
hello zhang, neck yourself chink

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599687
You will never be a Cover employee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594851
I can't tell if you actually like vshojo, or just want Cover to be better. Vshojo's most redeeming quality is that it's not Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599599
well thing is miguel neko is clearly a star, and that manager is clearly an imbecile who will likely spend the rest of his "career" managing plants if vshojo+ takes off
and so far, its killing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599599
I wonder how much Kson will have time to stream now that she is full time babysitter waiting for the first yab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599838
If I apply, I would get a job there probably.
At least say ywnbj or something before embarassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28598582
I would love for Ayame to go somewhere else just to continue to never stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599998
Well you clearly have an IQ low enough to get the job. Just make sure to specify that you plan to harass the talent you're managing to the point they'll have to seek legal action against the company or that you'll delete every single one of their videos and you're sure to get the job.

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>>28599165
The trick with Cover is they will always bend over backwards to cover up for and protect their managers fuck ups while literally throwing the chuubas under a bus. As for OPs question it is is simple there is no one to pick up the torch. From Gen 2 to Gen 3 to Coco to EN you have this continuous line of growth and hype but after the Taiwan yab and Holocaust management started to become stricter and permissions out right strangling girls forcing them into playing a select few games at a time.

At the same time the rest of the industry is caught up. Where early on Hololive was really the only ones with a strong clipper community the clipper community has boomed and now even the smallest corpos and indies have dedicated clippers.

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re: miguel gato and coconut

lets put it this way, lets pretend you have a golden egg laying goose, and every day, it lays eggs made of gold
now, one of the carekeepers gets mad cause the goose bit him, and gives the geese away
now they are laying golden eggs for someone else, not only that but they hate your guts and will make you fucking pay you fucking piece of shit you will regret fucking with us

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600084
Yeah might as well sexually harass and stalk a talent too. Apparently that is okay in Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600152
And you still pretend like they don't hate all the hololive members.
Just say it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600152
>will make you fucking pay you fucking piece of shit you will regret fucking with us
Meds, now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
Coco and HoloEN
>>28594703
Kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600084
He rely belebs miguel tweets.
Anon, she got btfo'd hard and that never happened except in her menhera brain. Otherwise she'd win a lawsuit easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600277
Kys, bug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600206
Of course they don't hate the members. Offline collabs with several holos happened with Kson. Mike watched Pekora's recent 3d lives. Hating the shitty company and management isn't the same as hating your coworkers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600206
heres manager kun pretending they hate the members so he has someone to hide behind
no cuck, they hate you, when coco vented about kanata getting an ultimatum to move, she spelled it out

she is building a world without you worms.

i hope she succeeds

[Anonymous No.]

here comes the vshitters using mike to shit on hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600382
If they love them so much, why haven't they help their coworkers get out of Hololive yet? Checkmate, retard!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594703
I'll be glad when she is completely unpersoned

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600292
A lawsuit for spreading rumors inside of the company, yeah.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>28600539
holy rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600382
>>28600527
Yeah I'm sure the members appreciate Kson for wanting to burn down their careers and erverything they worked for. She fucking hates THEM.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600539
> no mention of vshojo
> VSHOJO REEEEEEEEEE
yeah, rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
not hiring virgins and no monthly hymen checks

[Anonymous No.]

>'vshojo' 20 of 20 matches
>no mention of vshojo
yeah, rent free

[Anonymous No.]

Literally nothing has changed you schizos, I don't watch EN but JP is the same than ever, no one outside this schizophrenic echochamber has any feeling of doom nor recline.

[Anonymous No.]

What caused her downfall?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28596991
What are you talking about anon?
This is the best fucking board on the entire site.
Fitting in here requires you to watch streams, of whoever it is you're shittalking about.
Because their fans will either laugh at you or ignore you when you blatantly shitpost.

Newfags and threadreaders stand out like sore thumbs, and streamwatcherchads can have infinite entertainment laughing at all the blatant lies and schizo takes in the name of tribalism.
This board is a throwback to the 4chan of old, except instead of "lurk more", it's "watch streams".

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600853
>JP is the same than ever
Except their views are down by 50% at minimum for each member.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
They keep letting the best talents slip away because their scouting for EN is atrocious. There is no universe in which someone like Sana is a better choice than the majority of Vtubers that end up in Nijisanji, Tsunderia, Kawaii, Prism, or Phase Connect instead because Cover rejected them.

Now they've been busy prioritizing males for the past year over a timely EN gen 3.
And you know what? Fuck them. They don't deserve the incredible talents Phase Connect just picked up. Let them have to compete for viewership, maybe it will help improve their competence.

Listen to Shiina sing at 47:30 and tell me Cover isn't incompetent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dATpnLATCK8&t=2850s

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>>28600991
Literally the 6th post >>28594812

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>>28600539
So are these 'vshitters' in the room with us right now?

[Anonymous No.]

We only need PekoMiko to comeback

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>>28594812
you're on the bizarro /vt/ thread anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
males

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>>28601171
That's a fake graph according to multiple anons.

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>>28600991
Luna has twice ccv than past year now, I have no idea what you faggots have been smoking.
some may have less now, some may have more, but overall its a nothingburger

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600931
botting subscription ran out

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600995
They had open auditions for a while, but the reason it's taking so long is that talents have a lot of options now and Cover is dumb and only wants to take established content creators. So the only people who will apply are people willing to nuke their current channels for Cover.

And the auditioning process must be extremely stupid if they turned away Shu who has way more numbers than any of the current Holostars.

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>>28594817
Holokeks don't look!

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>>28595106
>>28595208
>>28601332
>>28595269
Post the real graph then
No one has posted any counter evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601332
Go ask /#/ then
>but they make fun of me because I can't refute actual data
exactly

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601498
Yep currently if you don't have at least 100k subs/followers and agree to graduate your past persona you literally can't get into hololive and not a single talented person with a brain is willing to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601714
nice novelty views, FAGGOT.

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>>28601498
>>28601791
>So the only people who will apply are people willing to nuke their current channels for Cover.
This doesn't make sense, don't half of Council still have active rm accounts? That's the biggest complaint I hear about Council. Are you sure you're not talking about Niji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601932
>i-it doesn't count because..
Oh no no no holosisters we got too smug

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>>28601979
Meant for
>>28601813
But honestly I was probably responding to a samefag so whatever

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601714
Nazutards don't look!!!!
4 other streams for Pekora after that, and she keeps getting vore views per day than Nazina with only two VODs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601979
>don't half of Council still have active rm accounts?
No they don't and neither does anyone in holox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601332
That's also a valid graph according to multiple other anons, retard, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.]

>Numberfagging Pekora vs Nazuna
Both of them would fucking hate you for it regardless of allegiance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602080
Why did you post a screenshot where you're getting mogged?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602134
Marine falling top top 3 to 32 really goes to show how hololive is dying one member at a time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602145
they dont have a word here, thats not their purpose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602145
I don't care for either, just that holofags are getting uppity despite getting mogged

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>>28601979
Myth only two members became active on their rm accounts after over a year of inactivity. Ina is different because she still needs that account for her illustration job, same for Sana. Gura nuked a 1m sub channel for Cover and Ame nuked her Twitch channel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602180
64k views of difference Yesterday, and now only 38k. Please use your damn brain for a second Nazucuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602145
Nazuna hates Cover and the members that prop the shitty management up. You can't deny this. It would make no sense for her to like Pekora or anyone else when they're the ones responsible for management receiving fat paychecks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602316
>You can't deny this.
I can't but she can and did in her most recent statement about Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601714
Anon, you're aware a 1hr VOD has virtually 50% more views when compared to a 1:30hrs VOD, right?

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>>28602453
Behind the scenes she made a claim that some senpai was harassing her and she wishes the worst for them but when she has to speak to hololive fans she says she doesn't hate anyone.
I think it's pretty clear that her public statement wasn't entirely truthful because she doesn't want to upset schizo holofags.

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>>28602298
Nice spoonfeeding bait faggot, you can't even numberfag properly
>nazucuck
Rent free holokek, I'm an indiechad. Remember that pekora laughed at a gachikoi for getting upset over her not streaming on a special day. You don't get to call anybody a cuck here.
>>28602582
>grasping this hard
Why can't you holokeks learn to numberfag properly?

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>>28602115
>>28602279
Irys, Kronii, Sana, Mumei all have active rm activity in some form which leaks drama into Hololive from time to time. If they're not as active as before, it because keeping up 2 schedules full of content is basically impossible. And then you have people like Mori and Noel who are extremely active on their rm. It doesn't look like you're forced to do anything with their past persona and if people decide to nuke it it's likely for privacy reasons.

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>>28602652
Yes, she likely wanted to burn management to the ground.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
>threads shitting on hololive stay up until bump limit or page 11
>threads showing nijisanji getting obliterated is deleted on sight

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602728
Senpai isn't management, it's another hololive member.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602760
This too >>28498944, they'll do anything to shit on Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602788
Senpai is a company term. It was likely a senior manager who had been there from the beginning and has a lot of influence, which is why they probably didn't have any action done against them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594721
Yeah, quality on pandering on chinks. Which holo doesn't do anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600936
this is right
>>28600931
shes coming for you gura
if she makes 2 mill before marine and pekora do itll be epic

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
Council fucking sucking. Look, maybe there's stuff you like about them. But you will NEVER like any of them anywhere near how much you like your oshi from myth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
Refusing Gura her dakimakura
Every single day I pray for their downfall

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601932
lmao we boing boing now

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602896
Tick tock Salomefag, look at who's behind you.

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>>28602866
Nobody in hololive calls staff and management senpai. It has literally never happened. You're really grasping at straws to claim she wasn't talking about a holo member even though everyone she told that to (korekore and Narukami) both understood it as another member.

[Anonymous No.]

The downfall to any big corpo chuubas are their shitty fanbases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602889
Hololive is the pro China company now though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665

Perms/Aloe/Coco/Rushia dramas destroyed them. Now you have nothing but ultra safe content for kids and censor spats on every 3d. They do literally nothing fun or interesting anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28603132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K556t7nbEY

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594812
>barely stream
>average ccv goes up

Wow such a meaningful chart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28603201
pretty much this, expect holodrone seething

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602760
This thread is great. That one RushiCoco schizo ranting for hours is a sight to see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600995
Cover is not the #1 choice for most good indies. Their management is legendarily shit. It's better to make less money but have fun streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602652
>>28602788
>>28602866
>>28603075
Don't we already know it was one of Aqua, Matsuri, or Miko? I think we figured out it was Matsuri based on twitter follows right.

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>>28600995
Yeah Shiina ending in a 200-500 ccv corp is just bizzare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28603201
this
never forget what they took from us

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600995
Is that one the gfe vtuber who accidentally talked about her boyfriend on stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600995
Because they hire based on if they are a good person first and good streamer second, most of niji whores have horrible personalities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600995
>They keep letting the best talents slip away
>The green whore, fatson, best talents
AHAHAHAHA!

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>>28603387
She's on good terms with Aqua, went out to dinner with her around the time she sent that one message to Korekore, is on good terms with Miko to the point her last Hololive stream was with her and Matsuri is the only outlier but people just came to that conclusion because hating Matsuri is a pass time in Hololive's fanbase. She unfollowed a fuckton of people as Mike because she didn't want them to get harassed at the peak of the heat.

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>>28603478
sadge...

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>>28594812
>inflating number by does 3D stream and stream less
it's summer with bunch of even, comeback when they mostly stream solo

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[Anonymous No.]

>>28603572
Disgusting.

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>>28603566
She never followed Matsuri, Matsuri followed her and then somehow unfollowed earlier the day that Mike decided to unleash the rumor about the host club shit.
This "antis harass people I follow so I unfollow them" never made any fucking sense. It was her bio on INSTAGRAM and not twitter, and she still followed a bunch of people that she wouldn't want harassed.

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In schizo antis head everyone is anti but him. It's literal paranoia.

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>>28602661
>can't even numberfag properly
NTA, you're the one who can't numberfag properly, using vod view on longer duration stream that the gap is not even far while on ccv it's 140k vs 50k, not even half, but i get it you're just desperate for a "win"

[Anonymous No.]

>>28603786
Yeah I misremembered that bit. It was Rika she had been following.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28598823
Morelike numbers on Twitch are massively inflated

[Anonymous No.]

>>28604003
You faggots are really obvious with your spoonfeeding requests
Lurk 2 more years before posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594812
It's interesting how congruent EN and JP are

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601979

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>>28602145
you're talking to people who don't watch streams anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601769
Because they can't and they know they're lying out of their asses

[Anonymous No.]

>>28604500
just stick with your regular shitposting, you're just embarrassing yourself

[Anonymous No.]

Their downfall is not sucking my dick enough to make me stay and watch them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
awful management

they lost the #1 AND #2 global earners, not just vtubers, globally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28600616
>>28600715
>>28600816
>>28601174
>No mention of Vshojo
>Rent free

>>28595041
>>28595146
>>28595449
>>28595500
>>28598405

Just like Veibae Vshojo niggers lie a lot and play victim when things don't go their way. You fuckers are truly worse than Holoniggers

[Anonymous No.]

>management being shit
>not scouting selen for EN, not scouting salome for JP

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>>28603201
>nothing but ultra safe content for kids
Is this bait to prompt some idiot to point out how they showed H art literally yesterday on Mumei's channel?
Cause in that case I totally fell for it.
>and censor spats on every 3d
Also Holosummer is returning this year. Do you watch streams, by any chance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605320
If you still think they are getting swimsuits you are retarded. And there are Switch games that showed more than this picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605320
Ofc he doesn't it's a propaganda by Kson gumis and nazucuckcs but mostly it's Vshojo and Nijiniggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>28594665
naah the delusion, hololive is inclining as fuck, their competitor is the one reclining

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605320
let me know when a holo can do this:

[Anonymous No.]

>>28601332
>according to multiple anon

more like voices in your head. here's legit proof how hololive is beyind everyone else in vtubing sphere

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605522
It hasn't even happened yet you anti nigger. And if we go by history it's more likely to be a bikini stream than anything else but sure go ahead and make another Hololive when they they don't show swim suits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605320
This passes for kids content these days anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605650
that model is ugly as fuck holy shit kson is reclining in terms of viewership, sc, and quality....

[Anonymous No.]

Why do people act like Hololive is the big dog in the vtubing industry when Niji literally has like 5x the spending capital. Niji will always make more money than Holo. Doesn't mean Holo is declining. They carved out a niche in the market and are succeeding splendidly

[Anonymous No.]

ain't nijisanji the one who's reclining hard nowadays? even kuzuha can't break 20k CCV without buff events..?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the failure chuubas cope thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605790
I don't think that's something we can say for sure without Cover going public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605066
Holosisters...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605650
Come on anon this model is just bad I'm a fan myself but I don't like this model. It doesn't really give off the sexy Vibe it intends to Marine's bikini model was much better

[Anonymous No.]

i think yall worried about the wrong thing, nijisanji in general, especially nijien is dying right now, look at vox, kobo deadass beat him up subs wise, CCV wise he is freefalling, no nijien beside mysta can pull out 10k CCV anymore. Without koshien, nijijp would not stand out so much, even salome barely hit 40k ccv these days, poor niji talents honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605246
they were just coping with the "rent free" as if people would actually care about their irrelevant company beside shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

if i were you i would worry more about kson loosing CCV and SC heavily, her JOP fans are leaving her now

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605984
Marine's model is low quality and censored to fit kids content

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605604
>>28602134

[Anonymous No.]

>>28603132

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605998
>The CCV guys
Yea and in a single stream Vox makes more money than Kobo makes in an entire month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605522
>>28605650
>>28605723
>b-but they're never gonna spread their pussies live on stream
Faggot I replied to was saying they toned down the lewd, hence my reply. It wasn't meant to show how they got lewder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605984
>>28605755
>bad
>ugly
anons, you are just gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606177
korean mobage tits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606169
salam alejkum brother
me too, the only women i like are the ones wearing burqa

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605984
ah yes, the one covered up like a burka

[Anonymous No.]

>>28599567
xin xon jing jong for you my pal

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606177
this is the peak of vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>28605320
I'm now a little annoyed that Sana didn't make constructive critiques/analysis of lewd Hololive art a staple for her channel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28602232
You are pathetic in every way I can imagine. If you go to Holo twitter you can see multiple collabs they are having with other companies including Tokyo tower. you should be worried about Kson since her views has been free falling since she joined vshojo. With Nazuna it's only a matter of time, she couldn't even contain herself in a company which basically spoon feeds idk how she will handle herself in a place like Vshojo where members like Veibae openly hates GFE and idol type vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>28603132
cool, let me know when they play genshin

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606370
unironically, holomuslims just don't understand, what is wrong with sexualizing 2 fucking D avatars. Vtubing was made to show tits, asses, perfect bodies and skimpy outfits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606423
Please no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606177
Try hard
Doesn't blend in properly
And too slutty

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606531
uwaaa, gay replied to me....

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606503
oh no the poor kids might see boobs, can't do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606109
Umm no marine's swimsuit is way better than Kson's. And no,not kid friendly but has the ability to switch to kid friendly when she pulls up chain while Kson's looks straight from a whore house

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606177
is this the talent freedom people keep talking about ?

[Anonymous No.]

>opinion about holo
>BUT NIJISANJI! NIJISANJI IS DYING! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
holo rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606746
She literally wear a muslim garb because those are the rules hololive lives under.

[Anonymous No.]

People don't willingly leave the biggest vTuber agency. The fact Sana did means the decline is real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606842
she even complained about the necessity of that hoodie, bitch wanted full bikini, got burqa instead. She is sad, i'm sad, kids happy though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606963
So you're saying she thinks hololive is shit and she would be happier in Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606177
Meh, her old unzipped adidas outfit was far hotter

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606790
>Rent free
>Holos
Literally the earliest replies to this post
>>28594721
>>28596007

[Anonymous No.]

>>28606746
>Umm...m n-no marine's s-swimsuit is w-w-way better... than Kson's, sniff sniff. And n...o,not kid f-friendly b-but has the a-a-ability to switch to kid friendly...sniff...sniff.... when she pulls up chain while K-Kson's looks s-straight from a w-whore house...*wipes tears*