Idol culture

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As someone who used to follow AKB48, traditional idol culture, before the term got picked up and bastardized by westoid redditors and twittards, is entirely premised on the underdog story. It has nothing to do with pretending to be your girlfriend. It was about ordinary girls you could find on the street who were diamonds in the rough, who could be produced into singing and dancing superstars, and the fans who supported them along the way through thick and thin. That's what idol culture is in the AKB and Morning Musume sense, and in multimedia like Love Live and Idolmaster. That's why they are marketed to be normal and approachable, and why innovations like the 'idols you could meet' concept by AKB were such a hit. That approachability did get warped over time into a sense of exclusivity and idols being idols 'for the sake of the fans', but that's beside the point.

Yagoo took inspiration from AKB when starting Hololive. He used to compare Hololive to them, that's where that overused Yagoo's dream meme came from. A Holo should never, ever tell their fans to go improve themselves, because they used to be nothing as well and it was precisely because of their overweight, stinky, sweaty weeb fans and their money that they could become something. To suddenly say that their fans are the problem now that they have become something is unacceptable. You don't have to be a unicorn or even a Teamate to find that disrespectful.

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>>28394746
Posts telling you to kys, have sex, you're a loser, you dont own them, etc will now follow. You're not convincing the other side of anything.

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come to jesus, he'll never betray you.

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>>28394746
It's even simpler. Yagoo based Hololive off the Idolmaster. People who enjoy Idolmaster and other cute girl anime gravitated to Hololive. Now imagine if K-ON had a bunch of dudes in it, it would completely ruin the vibe of the show wouldn't it?

The issue is that the normies don't understand that unicorns don't actually have any real aspirations to fuck the talent, they just want their cute girl anime substitute to not be ruined by turning it into flesh streaming with anime avatars ala Nijisanji. And that's a perfectly reasonable position, because Hololive has always been marketed towards that specific audience.

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The first part I agree with but the second part I disagree with because the ENs basically aren't idols until Yagoo drags them onto the stage to entertain the Japanese fans.

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>>28394906
I ask Jesus to make me a cup of coffee but he never obliges. Fuck him I am better on my own.

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>>28394906
why would I care about some son of a whore?
He even befriended whores, he would probably be a Vshojo simp

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>>28395057
Yet he died a virgin

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>>28394944
Incidentally this is why I never really liked EN in the first place because none of them ever tried to be anything other than a flesh streamer with an anime avatar. Some like Mori openly rebelled against it and called Hololive a "bubble" because she couldn't drag more e-celebs and twitch retards onto her channel

It's night and day when you compare them with the top JP holos who have carefully crafted on stream personas.

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>>28394978
Did you miss the Hololive 3rd Fes?

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im not reading all that but damn ame really enables this board i love ame now!!!!

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There's nothing wrong with genuine self-improvement

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Celebrities (including) streamers and vtubers are there to inspire audiences, not to dictate their actions. If they treated you like underlings, it's a red flag, and you need to get away (especially you, KFPs).

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>>28394746
People also went nuclear when they found out their favorite idols have bfs. It's the same thing no matter what you say

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>>28394900
>>28394944
It's nothing to do with males. AKB 'collabed' with males all the time. The talk shows and quiz games they attended were all hosted by males. Their producers were males. They shook hands with tens of thousands of males every handshake event. It's simply about being grateful for and not talking down to the fans who got you to where you are.

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>>28394746
Imagine the idol u shill and fund proceeds to U-turn and say ure not good enough for her. Now imagine your idol oshii saying the same thing in a couple of weeks or months.

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>>28395083
He got some tongue action before he were killed by the Romans, by a man though
He also has massive daddy issues, might explain why his life derailed to that point

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Never really been an Ame fan but seeing the sort of people she's pissed off I can only draw the conclusion that she's extremely based and I will now watch her.

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>Yagoo took inspiration from AKB when starting Hololive.

no
He confessed to being a fan of Hello Project(?) in Kiara's holotalk.

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>>28394746
I swear /vt/ is a testing site to build manipulation, gaslighting, or some other sociopathic skills.

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>>28394746
What instigated this post?

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>>28395110
>Did you miss the Hololive 3rd Fes?
I did miss it actually because I started watching indies. But I know that events like that are still held in Japan, bankrolled by Japanese companies and produced for the enjoyment of Japanese fans. Which positions EN the exotic foreign idol unit, not the center of the show that people came to see. They (the Japanese) don't actually care about anything that happens on this side of the pond. Many, possibly most of the English-speaking people watching the ENs aren't even aware of the idol stuff. So I don't think you can say ENs are idols in the same way as the JPs are. The culture around the ENs is closer to generic twitch streamer slash twitch simping culture, just on YouTube.

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pretty sure it's virtual youtubers and not virtual idols. You already lost and no amount of cope can sway people to side with your pollution of the subcategory

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>>28394746
>It has nothing to do with pretending to be your girlfriend.
which is why love bans are so incredibly common of course

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>>28396066
because they want them to be dedicated to their fans, not romantically involved with them but giving them 100% of their attention.

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>>28394746
>It has nothing to do with pretending to be your girlfriend.
>That's what idol culture is in the AKB and Morning Musume sense, and in multimedia like Love Live and Idolmaster.
>Idolmaster
You clearly aren't familiar with Idolmaster. The moment male idols were introduced, fans went fucking mental simply because there was now a POSSIBILITY your idols were dating other guys instead of only existing for (You). The backlash back then was fucking ridiculous.

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>>28394746
You aren't wrong but this board and Reddit (same thing) believe it means basically something between courtesan and nun.

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>>28394906
I'm considering it more and more every day.

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>>28396241
I know cope is a buzzword but in this case I mean it unironically: cope.

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>>28395348
The variety of entertainment sounds closer to what Nijisanji is doing(?)

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>>28396241
ame gave fans attention by asking them to self improve

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>>28394746
>collabs with coworkers
>NOOOOOOOOO MY PURE WIFE HAS BEEN SULLIED HOW DARE SHE
while its funny seeing incels collectively seethe, i honestly cant blame you ""people"" considering that vtubers were created for catering to you losers.

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>>28396672
Luckily though, the franchise has been engaging in cross branch activities ever since songs of tokyo 2021.

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>>28394746
If you don't use your oshi as inspiration to grow together with her you are completely missing the point and you are a failure as a fan.

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>>28395348
Highly controlled environment where things are edited or cut out then shipped to the masses versus what we have in that it just depends on how they may or may not fuck it up live on air. And don't bring up live programs for idols, everyone knows those are even more rehearsed.

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>>28396672
>That approachability did get warped over time into a sense of exclusivity and idols being idols 'for the sake of the fans', but that's beside the point.

I didn't say things like that haven't happened. In fact I was also around for the Nitta Emi JAV and Minegishi Minami boyfriend yabs in Love Live and AKB48. All I'm saying is that based on what idol culture was supposed to be, there is a reason to be buttblasted by how Ame responded beyond the male collabs thing.

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>>28397033
self improve to distract themselves from the fact she's not giving them her undivided attention.

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>>28397334
Based comment. This is how I view my vtuber oshis.

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>>28397334
b-but muh escapism

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>>28397677
there are multiple ways of escapism. Go back to the old days of watching anime or play games. Alternatively: go outside and touch grass.

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all of you guys just seem to inherently think that being a schizo hikki is something that you should abandon
that it is something to abandon
while quite the opposite is the case
being an otaku that sits in his house all day by himself wasting the days away in sedation is the highest form of being anyone can achieve
you struggle not to survive you just do it with little to no effort at all
you have surpassed nature and reality and spit in its face by doing things your way
"precious time" is nothing to you but a thing you may waste at your leisure while others panic about their end you stand above it
so no anons to be a schizo on 4chan that spends his days inside and is at peace with himself is the highest form of being a human may achieve

all you need to do is to achieve the peace part

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>>28394944
>Now imagine if K-ON had a bunch of dudes in it, it would completely ruin the vibe of the show wouldn't it?

This is how I like to see it.

They got involved with what is essentially a theater company. You are, in theater, meant to play to an illusion so the audience can enjoy that escapism. Hololive is the illusion of cute, seiso anime girls doing cute seiso things. In the same way putting a bunch if men in K-On would've completely shattered the tone of the story, adding men to Hololive's females will shatter that illusion.

People will sit there and bitch about how that's not fair and they should be able to do what they want but this is a career. You signed on to Hololive as an actor to play a part. This is not your show and no, you do not get to just do whatever you want, just as I can't do whatever I want at my job. If you've been given a role in a play, you act within the confines of the role.

Drives me insane that people act like this is unreasonable. Maybe she shouldn't have become an idol if she did not want to act as an idol acts. Perhaps she should've thought about that ahead of time.

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>>28397480
Idolmaster has been about virtual girlfriends from the very start.

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>>28398382
>>28394944
Yeah, I wouldn't really care if their roommate worked as a freelance whore in their off-time, I just want to keep the same atmosphere when they stream. It's about the presentation.

Ame should have just answered "don't worry, nothing will change" and left it at that. That would assuage everyone's concerns. Instead she felt compelled to imply the audience is a bunch of weirdos and made that dumb comparison between males in the audience and males on-screen.
Honestly, she did seem to imply that HoloEN and the guys will have different target audiences and therefore won't collab that much, but she phrased herself very poorly.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF2y45Jl_sI

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>>28394906
I accepted Amemiya Nazuna as my lord and savior.

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>>28399191
>the audience is a bunch of weirdos
She's not wrong though.

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>>28396920
It really isn't. JP does it but they've cut back recently as part of the large restructurings that have been happening recently. EN is an extremely informal branch. The men aren't the key factor here, the activities are.

Organized variety events are a significantly larger part of Hololive's content these days

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>>28394746
This is basically why they made Ame remove the "idol" part of her lore description. They know they can't maintain that image, so they just lower the standards instead of even -try- to be better people.

Do you guys remember, when Mori was brand new, how her story of trying super hard trying to make it into something someday trying to chase her dream in Japan working multiple jobs to do it, really inspired people? Remember how basically at one point supporting Mori was really a feel-good kind of moment? Yeah. That is in fact, the good part of idoldom, inspiration, helping people reach their dreams etc. Of course she squandered it basically right away, she clearly didn't understand that people built her up into something actually better than she really is as a person and she didn't try one little bit to live up to that shiny image.

Ame had a bit of that too knowing she's poor and Hololive is her cinderella story, people always liked her soul when singing and marveling at even small signs of improvement etc. But yeah, it's the same thing, to just turn and @the fans and go "you should work on yourselves" is her attempt at being inspirational but also says "I bet you're all loser slobs (thus, go work on yourselves)" and she is fucking stupid as shit if she didn't think that people would catch onto that as a below the belt backhanded (at BEST) statement.

I've never even been a big Ame fan so you can say I have no horse in this race, but for the sake of the other ENs I do think it is important to lay down a line of standards because god fucking knows that most vtuber fans have zero fucking spines at all and act like friendzone orbiters of stacies taking advantage of them IRL. That's exactly what it is when well-meaning fans say "oh nooo they can do anything you want my sweet and I'll still give you money no matter what" - it's trying to support them but is just enabling them to try less, do less, care less about this whole gig because why bother when they still get paid (the Ayame effect). Don't enable sub-par shittery.

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>>28399159
I kneel to Idolm@sters

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>>28401346
Im curious of the ame quote youre referencing, and, maybe slight offence, can very easily viewed as projection on your part. Reminder that maybe the most uttered phrase here, "do your reps", is improving yourself.

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>>28395104
>carefully crafted on stream personas.
They didn’t though. They just aren’t entitled western cunts. That’s it.

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>>28396066
The love ban was never a real thing.

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>>28402909
For someone so eager to tell others to improve themselves Amelia sure gets asshurt when she gets feedback on how to improve herself as a vtuber. Getting told to improve by a virtual grifter who does the bare minimum is not inspiring to say the least

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This isn't even the first time Ame does something like this, so I don't know why you niggers are so surprised and butthurt about it. By now you should have already unsubbed.

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>>28401346
why do threadshitters with no idea also happen to make those long-winded essays

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>>28403543
Most women are nags, anon, they literally cant help it. But again, after watching the statement she made, I dont see an earnest dig at her viewerbase, much less her members or subscribers. I dont watch her much because timezones, but she has found something not directly related to consuming one's oshi's content to improve her life. I could just be optimistic, but maybe she wants to relay that path to those she interacts with, even virtually. Ive never met you, but I would encourage you to follow something that may make you a better person, if only by your own standards.

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>>28394746
> A Holo should never, ever tell their fans to go improve themselves, because they used to be nothing as well and it was precisely because of their overweight, stinky, sweaty weeb fans and their money that they could become something.
Holy fuck go touch grass. Idols aren’t nothing when they spend hours learning how to sing, dance, and be entertaining. Don’t compare them to sweaty neckbeards that do nothing to improve their lives and be orbiters as a coping mechanism

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>>28394746
i know this is a retarded bait thread but by your own logic, shouldn't idols encourage people to improve themselves since they did the same to become idols? please make sense next time

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>>28395885
4chan*

/pol/ is 100 a Petri dish used to test out pysops.

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>>28395198
<Specially you, KFP
You are kidding aren't you? If anything Kiara is the HoloEN chuuba who treats the most respectfully her audience, teacuck

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>>28395156
Only good post in the thread.

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>>28394746
>GROW YOURSELF
>EDUCATE YOURSELF
No.

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>>28394944
I'd actually watch K-ON if it were about dudes

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>>28394746
>A Holo should never, ever tell their fans to go improve themselves, because they used to be nothing as well and it was precisely because of their overweight, stinky, sweaty weeb fans and their money that they could become something
…And her “overweight, stinky, sweaty weeb fans” somehow completely missed the point? The fans watched her all this time, growing and improving every step of the way, and yet didn’t take that journey to heart and haven’t been working on themselves this whole time? I want to believe that’s not the case, that people have become inspired by watching these girls improve themselves. But if people are just remaining as “overweight, stinky, sweaty weebs”, then of course they don’t want to hear a word about self-improvement. Have fun remaining that way, I guess

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>>28394746
didnt one of the akb girls have to shave her head and apologize on camera crying for the heinous crime of falling in love with a guy? lol its totally those dastardly redditors giving them a bad name.

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>>28408740
>>28399298

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>>28395156
please, speak for yourself. I don't need some retarded neet telling me that I don't work hard enough or that I'm not educated enough.

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>>28408305
BECK is kinda close to it,but not rly

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You don't insult your fanbase, period, the consumer is god specially on a industry that works around pleasing and making them happy, your fucking living expenses depend on making a bunch of people -particularly males- happy.

This shouldn't be an issue at all really but her poor attitude and abysmal choice of words slowly turned it into one.

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>>28411398
based

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>>28415221
Why does everyone assume her insulting the lonely schizos who watch her is the same as insulting her entire fanbase? Do you assume that all of her viewers watch her because they want a GFE, or is that projection?

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>>28394746
AKB also had rules forbidding being out or working after 22:00 (even for adults), any kind of drinking or using impolite language. Yagoo needs to fire almost all the Holos and start over because his idol company dream as it currently stands is irredeemable.

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Dropping Watson, who is a good jp replacement?

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>>28394746
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF2y45Jl_sI
kek

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>>28418555
Right here anon.

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>>28394746
Only retards would get offended by being told to improve their lives for their own sake

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>>28394746
This post gave good insight and probably the reason Suisei and Sora are the most idol ones in Hololive JP.

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>>28418485
Yagoo gives them lots of freedom. JP girls respect and behave.
EN girls take it for granted.
I don't know any of you still remember the Rushia yabe where manager ask her to think about the fans.
Can't be idol without fans. Shitting on fans is the worst thing idol can do

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>>28395156
>>28397334
Based.

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>>28418555
Any HoloJP

[Anonymous No.]

As someone who used to follow AKB48, traditional idol culture, before the term got picked up and bastardized by westoid redditors and twittards, is entirely premised on the underdog story. It has nothing to do with pretending to be your girlfriend. It was about ordinary girls you could find on the street who were diamonds in the rough, who could be produced into singing and dancing superstars, and the fans who supported them along the way through thick and thin. That's what idol culture is in the AKB and Morning Musume sense, and in multimedia like Love Live and Idolmaster. That's why they are marketed to be normal and approachable, and why innovations like the 'idols you could meet' concept by AKB were such a hit. That approachability did get warped over time into a sense of exclusivity and idols being idols 'for the sake of the fans', but that's beside the point.

Yagoo took inspiration from AKB when starting Hololive. He used to compare Hololive to them, that's where that overused Yagoo's dream meme came from. A Holo should never, ever tell their fans to go improve themselves, because they used to be nothing as well and it was precisely because of their overweight, stinky, sweaty weeb fans and their money that they could become something. To suddenly say that their fans are the problem now that they have become something is unacceptable. You don't have to be a unicorn or even a Teamate to find that disrespectful.

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>>28419088
>mad that someone told you to not be a schizo

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>>28395057
> he would probably be a Vshojo simp
At least he'd heal ironmouse from her illness.

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>>28419088
>A Holo should never, ever tell their fans to go improve themselves
But she's not. She's saying that to the people who are upset about the possibility of her collabing with males.

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>>28394746
>t.faggot who read some wiki article about idol culture yesterday

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>>28395156
It's the tone and the context. She's telling you to get laid.

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>>28419225
NO ONE TELLS ME WHAT TO DO
WHO THE FUCK DOES SHE THINK SHE IS
WITH ME SHE IS NOTHING

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>>28419820
Is she going to put out for us? Or introduce us to one of her female friends who will put out? No, of course not, she's just using "get laid" as a generic insult for her fans, while pretending like it's friendly advice. Same way everyone uses it.

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>>28395348
>It's simply about being grateful for and not talking down to the fans who got you to where you are.
Western thots can't grasp that.
HoloEN was a mistake. HoloJP is fine. Nothing changed.

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>>28395156
Going around telling the people that support you and made your life possible that they're worthless lazy retards is your idea of inspiring them to improve themselves?

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>>28395156
I agree but there's nothing wrong with being a hikikomori

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I don't even mind Ame making fun of people who don't want her to talk to a any men at all in life.
The problem is that this was never what this was about. She tried to say talking to a cashier at the store or her brother or 6000 random people in chat is the same as collabing with stars.
It isn't.

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>>28405351
Ame, leave 4chan and apologize

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>>28418555
Go for Nene

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>>28395156
true, but that would entail no longer watching her streams.

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>>28394906
>Jew who lived with a sex worker and threw bankers out of the temple
I'm not depraved enough to join globohomo, sorry.

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>>28395000
You have to help yourself 1st, anon
>>28394906
Truth.

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idol culture is gay af and you faggots need to get laid lmao

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>>28423332
>off by one
ahahahaha look at this faggot

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>>28394746
You will never make me sympathize with you.

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>>28396241
A random woman on the other side of a 2d avatar does not owe her life to you.

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>>28394746
Ame has always told her fans to improve themselves. That's where larsposting originally came from.
Fuck off retarded tourist.

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>>28394746

>Wanting your fans to live good lives where they dont' have to be alone and wallow in depression clinging to nothing but parasocial shit is disrespectful.
This is some massive Crab in a Bucket/Tall Poppy mentality.

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>>28424681
>lmao dude thanks for the 500 bucks, btw you fucking suck I'm way better than you, just improve yourself

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>>28394746
"Holy shit can you believe these schizos arguing about what true idol culture is?"
"Yeah they're total faggots who will die alone by suicide because they couldn't take a fucking hint about needing to have redeemable qualities in life outside of being a pay pig to an anime girl who just wants to make terrariums and have fun playing video games."

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oh cool we're being raided by trannies and w*men again

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>>28424681
>drug dealer telling drug addict to quit drug
She is doing the right thing but is it what they want?

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>>28426113
Seems like these retards need tough love.

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>>28394746
ENs aren't idols. YAGOO learned that westerners only like whores.

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>you know that thing you love?
>you shouldn't love it. It's ours now and we'll change it
I hate women so much it's unreal, why do they keep doing this and how are they getting away with it?

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>>28395156
sure, but how was it relevant to the question?

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>>28423332
Why tho?

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>>28431056
Because it's the epitome of femininizing men by slowly making them materialistic, caring about things like chastity and no pussy has driven you all insane.

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>>28431473
>shaved
>anal
0/10, women need to stop shaving and any sex that doesn't end with them pregnant with a brood of quintuplets should be banned

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>>28426186
They do and if Ame genuinely wants to give them tough love she should graduate immediately.
But we know it's not the truth. She only loves the money.

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>>28432276
Yeah, so much that she constantly turns superchats off!

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>>28433913
I consider drawing a picture for an indie, I hope she'll like it. I still love Ame though, she is right about improving. I used to work out and do JP reps while woking. Now I am cynical about what I can contribute ar work, stopped with all ny hobbies and when I get home and try to at least play some video games I fall asleep 30 minutes in, then head to bed for the next work-eat-sleep loop.
Improve for your own sakes. Your oshi's love is unconditional. Your own self-satisfaction isn't.

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>>28395156

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>>28394746
Has she learned Japanese yet? Maybe the whole self-improvement thing should start elsewhere when you're not even able to do your job right because you find yourself in a position where you can't collab with the majority of your co-workers.

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>>28435187
Why would she need to learn Japanese if their EN branches are growing anyway?

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>>28394746
This. Like I honestly don't care if they collab with HomoEN but bruh saying that to the people that is also one of the reason to where she is now is kind of a bit too much. Idk she feels completely a different person now. I probably won't enjoy her stream anymore...

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Your mistake was falling for the idol gimmick.
Not a single woman in Hololive outside of maybe Sora fits the idol criteria, the rest of them are just streamers, most of them treat it as a job because its simple to do.

Outside of the one person I mentioned, nobody you're watching is an idol, they are a streamer, you just fell for the hook they use to lure you in.

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>>28434749
It's not the concept of self improvement that's the problem here, it's calling some irrelevant shit "self improvement". Telling people you know nothing about to improve themselves is the most patronizing & nothing thing you could possibly say, everyone has room for improvement, no fucking shit. What's that got to do with her wanting to go from being an idol to sucking HomoEN off?

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>>28435311
Because she's working for a Japanese company and has collabed with Japanese co-workers before, finding herself unable to collab with them. She even said she'd try to work on her Japanese - but it seems that a bit much self-improvement at once.

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>>28395110
No I watched both days.
Gura just moved from side to side, Ina moved with the grace of a dying slug, Mori had her wigger moves, Amelia just moved her hands around.

The only one with an actual dance routine was Kiara.
This might come as a shock to you anon but plopping someone on stage does not an idol make.

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>>28419820
She's telling you to stop being a little bitch because your jpg might talk to a man that isn't you.

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>>28394906
BASED

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OP is just mad he's a fat bastard who will never be able to improve himself and become worthy of his chuuba.

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>>28435419
>Telling people you know nothing about to improve themselves
Only those who expend energy worrying about Holo girls talking to guys, because let's face it, if you do then you are actually mentally ill and should absolutely rethink what to spend your energy on.

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>>28435187
No no no, you don't get it. Self improvement is only for her fans who want more content, she doesn't need to improve herself even though she barely streams and spends half her days blitzed on weed.

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>>28395348
> Never talk down to the people who support you, no matter how wrong and harmful they are

And that's how abusive relationships start, anon.

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>Hey guys remember that girl that shaved her head? Why doesnt Hololive do that
Yea, go ahead. Try that with the Holo girls, do a 180 from how they do things into ultra strict idol shit, see how long your precious company lasts.

This is why they say these things, because so many of you are completely fucking insane, you want to control every aspect of these women, you get upset if they even feign to talk to a man, you're a clingy boyfriend and the response to things you don't like is just a step below literal abusive behavior.

You guys are literal cancer, you want idols? Go watch actual japanese idols, not women pretending to be anime
>>28395348
Funny thing, this is why they say those things, because you don't leave, or reply like an asshole, you bitch and bitch but you'll keep watching. This how they all operate.

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>>28394746
>Idolmaster
Idolm@ster is 100% about self-inserting yourself as the manager forming illicit relationships with the talents

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>>28395348
The issue is that collabs can lead to flirting, and flirting with collab males will rub whales the wrong way

[Anonymous No.]

Humans typically don't enjoy being told they need to change and "better" themselves.

Shocker.

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>>28395000
>>28395057
>>28422589
cope

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>>28437257
Especially when it's true!

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>>28437257
True, look how Amelia reacts when people tell her she needs to improve as a vtuber

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>>28437515
Maybe vtubing isn't for you!

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>>28437640
she really is a hypocrite. when she tells her fans to improve its ok. but when her fans tell her to improve her streams she gets butthurt

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>>28395156
>tfw Larsposting comes back in 2022

[Anonymous No.]

The entertainment has no place giving advice on anything unless explicitly asked. Monkeys are there to dance.

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>>28403761
retard

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>>28437081
>Don't collab with males
Wow. So difficult and oppressive.

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>>28437515
Not sure if you're serious but it's unironically true. That's hitting them where it hurts.
A normal person telling another normal person something like "do better" is already terribly condescending. A streamer saying it to her audience, an audience that is composed of people who have time to watch streams and therefore likely don't have much of a social or professional life, makes it many times worse. Add the fact that this instance pertained to a delicate topic like male collabs, and that's a multiplier on top of a multiplier resulting in massive damage. It's obvious there was gonna be push back.

I've said this in another thread but they really should just not be answering this collab question at this time. Ignore it, change the subject or just say it's too early to talk about it. This last one is true anyway, they haven't even debuted.

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>>28439318
Why not.
Give me one good reason.

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>>28422691
>have to help yourself 1st
Ame?

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>>28434918
I love.this image because it's literally impossible to refute, you're either born a winner or you're born a loser, you can cry and moan all you want about"improoving" but you can't fool anyone, and especially not yourself.

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>>28439977
It's an all female company with strict segregation on its male side, with very limited and carefully controlled interactions
If Ame wants to Collab with Roberu or Oga, fine, it'll be like the Fubuki streams that get fuck all views, but we all know these whores don't want that they want to bring in cancerous e celebs to aggressively flirt with on stream which is the exact reason I don't watch normal streamers.
How would you feel if your friend you play vidya with got a gf/bf and started involving them in all your gaming sessions, all the while you're sat as the third wheel as they flirt and chat away within thier own bubble, this is why we don't want male collabs

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>>28440349
>It's an all female company with strict segregation on its male side, with very limited and carefully controlled interactions
Oh is that why some of the gen 0, 1 and 2 numbers collabed with men early on? Including your precious no males champion Miko?

>Hololive started as a tech company, they did all kinds of coomer bait shit to try to pander to lonely people, when that didn't work they tried real hard to leech of Nijisanji, that didn't work well either, eventually Gen 3 showed up and the GFE queen brought in the big bucks, then Cover realized pretending to be an idol company was huge money.

There's that's the real truth behind Hololive, they haven't and will never be idols.

>but we all know these whores don't want that they want to bring in cancerous e celebs to aggressively flirt with on stream which is the exact reason I don't watch normal streamers.
Oh like all the streams Mori's done with connor? All 0 of them.
You guys have been saying this shit since the very first TT podcast with Mori and it STILL hasn't happened.

>How would you feel if your friend you play vidya with got a gf/bf and started involving them in all your gaming sessions, all the while you're sat as the third wheel as they flirt and chat away within thier own bubble, this is why we don't want male collabs

Yea anon I'm sorry to say you're just a loser, you're projecting your insecurities onto these girls.

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>>28394746
Is this the new "educate yourself" or something even worse?

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>>28441076
>Ur just a loser
Yeah and this is the condescending attitude that still hasn't convinced a single person that having to listen to a girl talk to other men in fron of you is a good thing. Go have a stranglewank to cuck porn you golem bitch

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>>28439977
Male collabs permanently change the culture, feel and content of a chuuba and the company. We've seen this happen with NijiEN after the male cancer came, it's not a theoretical question or an opinion. The chuuba you liked simply doesn't exist after males. Neither does the culture or feel of her streams, her content and so on. It's like ripping out an engine from a car and replacing it with an offbrand one. It simply isn't the same car, it simply isn't the same girl. Again, there's nothing theoretical about this. I saw it happen with NijiEN.

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>>28436971
you think idolfags understand functional relationships?

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>>28437081
>you are completely fucking insane, you want to control every aspect of these women
Yes.

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>>28441836
B A S E D

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>>28415386
ame is not entertaining outside her gfe

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>>28441836
Unfathomably based

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>>28440349
>an all female company
>CEO is male
>holostars are male
>music producers and mixers are male
>model artists and riggers are in part male
>contractors and commissionees like Kanauru or the clippers who did shorts for Kiara are male
>programming to animation to writing in HoloGra, HoloAlternative, ERROR, HoloFes, HoloEarth, is done by staff with an unknown gender split
K-On had male involvement too, and all you need to do is apply the same seperation from what you want to see and what is real in order to be happy in your suspended disbelief.
>imagine your friend plays with their gf/bf
If you think you'd see them flirt a lot while they play games together, you never actually were in that situation. Make some friends and learn to laugh with them as they banter about how shit they are compared to their bf/gf. Bond with their bf/gf over all your purportedly-sex-having friends' fuckups and character weaknesses. Have a honest heart to heart about feeling heartbroken or hurt and let them help you through it.
You are living a nightmare of your own design if that's what you are afraid of. Overcoming your anxiety through desensitization therapy would be an unironic improvement. Or stay here and rot because change is scary I guess.

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>>28442443
You have no idea what you're talking about when my friend get into relationships I simply stop seeing them until the relationship inevitably falls apart again as they're always too busy flirting and telling in jokes to actually have a good time with other people around it's always a 3rd wheel and never a trio.
There is an enormous difference between having men involved behind the scenes and having men on stream flirting with the talents and you well know it you disengenous cunt

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>>28394746
She quit being an idol, though.
Why is she even in Hololive anymore?

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>>28395156
Self improvement is a meme.

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>>28411699
>Neet
Heh.
Hehehehehe.

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>>28443029
what a bitter cuck

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>>28444041
I'm not the one desperate to listen to other men fucking girls on stream

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>>28443465
Properly understood it isn't. Sadly the very term has been warped by idiots trying to be something they're not.

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>>28444350
I should add the idiots include the ex-idol, but even she knew to give up on that. Ironic, then, that she lecture others about changing.

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>>28394746
don't care, I'm gonna watch the Tempus boys flirt with holoEN

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>>28394746
100% based and true
but greyname redditor fags won't read this

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>>28445114
dont forget to wear your chastity cage while you're at it

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>>28394906
a literal kamioshi

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>>28445230
I'm a woman, I don't need one.

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>>28394906
Don't mind the lore and values, but the premise is too steeped in Judaism

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>>28441406
Is there any reason to believe this will be handled any differently from Holostars JP though? The JP girls still seem plenty likeable and watchable.

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>>28446245
yes, cultural differences and the fact that westerners are a lot more open and extroverted. the JP side of Hololive also has a lot of members already and management cannot force all of them, the EN side however is still small and in order to help boost popularity, they will all have to be friendly with each other, whether they want to or not, because I know management will be forcing the girls behind the scenes as it would look very weird if one or two of the girls are ignoring the males while everyone else is basically bouncing on their cocks frequently for months.

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>>28394906
He has a girlfriend.

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>>28394906
jesus is my oshi

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>>28446685
I look like this irl

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>>28403734
>y'all
>invalid
Painful to read.

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>>28394746
Improve youself Anon. A man cannot live in nothingburgers alone

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>>28446685
And was kissed by another guy. Also likes feet but that last one is kinda based.

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>>28445379
No matter how much HRT you take, that's not going to happen.

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>>28395156
everyone needs to take her advice and go hit the gym, don't waste your time, money and attention on girls larping as anime characters

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>>28445379
Tits or gtfo.

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>>28394746
>boohoo anime girl said to be a better person

Jesus you all are fucking faggots.

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>>28451318
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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>>28398382
>Hololive is the illusion of cute, seiso anime girls doing cute seiso things
>What is Homolive
>What is Erolive
>What is le "yagoo's dream" meme
The idea of Hololive's "deal" being about pure girls doing pure things is completely delusional. It wasn't like this back then, and even though they tightened up restrictions over the past one year and a half, it still isn't really like that.

[Anonymous No.]

i just want to watch anime girls who are enthusiastic about making their audience smile...

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>>28394746
>[an idol] should never, ever tell their fans to go improve themselves
If you were truly a wotabro you would remember Paruru, one of the most popular AKB girls. Amelia has the same "salty" persona as her. People like both of them because of their honest personality. What's wrong with her being realistic?

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>>28403761
retard

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>>28397334
>>28405351
>>28405451
>>28408513
She "grew" because they gave her money. She went up to a bunch of losers and said, "Can you guys give me money for being cute? I'm a loser like you," so they did. Then she said, "Thanks, losers lol I'm gonna' go fuck my boyfriend now."

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>>28467193
lmao

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>>28394746

[Anonymous No.]

>>28424203


Sure, you can be a 2view then.
What, you want money and fame? Guess you owe something after all then.

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>>28467193
:(

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>>28467193
Basically true.
The holomems I watch all seem far more grateful.
>>28397334
>>28408513
That's nice logic if you're some normie.
Without some justified war, autists are going to wander around aimlessly.
Civilisation is literally not for us.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of self-improvement, has there been any JP Vtuber that is now able to casually converse in EN after 2+ years of learning on the job or vice versa? Those duolingo streams are going nowhere and are really just for brownie points,

[Anonymous No.]

>>28474208
A-chan

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>>28474208
Haha, of course not. That's part of the joke, for as much as these ENtubers seethe about their audience, they're the exact same.

[Anonymous No.]

Man this "drama" died quick huh? Lmao

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>>28472532
"100% of their attention" is simply a psychotic request, and just to sate your insecurities too. Successful vtubers do not and have never needed to go that far.
You're just looking for whatever excuse to try and say entertainers have to follow your arbitrary standards.

[Anonymous No.]

Been lifting for a few months now. I genuinely look forward to it and feel restless on rest days. The increase in Test has made my general mood far better, I feel more confident interacting with people, and the "post-9pm thoughts" have dissipated. I can feel my abs and can sorta see them in the right light; I think I'll have a nice visible six-pack after another a couple more months.

I'm glad my oshi is realistic, down to earth, and pushes self-improvement; not pretending to be my gf.

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>>28475621
>benching with a curl bar
>not even close to the safeties
decapitation city right there

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>>28475201
the unicorn genocide has been slow but working its way slowly

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>>28474695
Makes you wonder how footballers are able to pick up a foreign language to better converse with their teams/fans yet vtubers can't do the same.

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>>28475621
This but the increase in test has been from watching HoloJP

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>>28475621
lol bullshit.

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>>28475885
>he doesn't know the artist of origin (teebee h I also forgot what name he went by, it's been a while since he stopped too)

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>>28475201
I didn't even see where this self-improvement comment everyone is dilating over came from, was it her marshmallow stream or something else?

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>>28394944
Watch it only be 2 girls from Holo EN to collab with them ala Holo JP. If those two's numbers take a hit, Holo EN will then proceed to deny the existence of Tempus.

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>>28440103
I mean, it's true. I was a fat depressed loser burnout in early high school, realized it, and put in a bunch of effort to better myself. Now I'm a fit guy in my mid 20's making 100k/year and it doesn't fucking matter, I'm still a kissless virgin, and still don't get any attention from women.

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>>28477027
Because footballers living in a foreign country are are immersed in the language every hour they're awake. That's very different than trying to learn a language by doing duolingo and having occasional online contact with foreign co-workers.
Mori was able to pick up Japanese and Haachama was able to pick up English. Neither is super great at it, but they're at usable levels.

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>>28477027
there's not much incentive on learning other languages for both Japanese and English speaking people

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>>28431698
based

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>>28479036
>Now I'm a fit guy in my mid 20's making 100k/year and it doesn't fucking matter, I'm still a kissless virgin, and still don't get any attention from women.
same desu except I've had a few girlfriends and sex partners and was never fat, the funny part about that though is that it doesn't really matter either, we're both in pretty much the same place now

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>>28443029
>one friend who does this
>relationships keep falling apart
>this happened several times
>I stop seeing them
Jesas. You have one shitty friend and one spurious easily dissolving connection to him. And if that's how much it bothers you it isn't good for you. Hanging out with your friends and laughing with them as they get ripped a new one by their year long relationship partner or hear them banter like a married couple is exhilirating and sometimes even better than sex. Though, I consider some meals better than sex so you might not want to pay that comparison too much of a mind.
Bottom line, I am sorry to hear that this is how it is for you. That sounds awful but it's not how it has to be.

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>>28474208
Lui?

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>>28480415
in b4 permanently single bucket crabs project their cuck fetish onto you

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>>28479446
her ear looks very fuckable in this image

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>>28443029
Yeah true. Most of my friends disappear when they get into a relationship and then suddenly start hanging out again when they stop liking their partner or break up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28480415
>>28480616
i have no idea what the fuck either of you are talking about

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>>28475521


Im a different anon. Just pointing out that if you want to start talking about being 'owed' anything, that street goes two ways.
You don't owe them any product, and so they don't owe you any business.

Like, do people who say things like '[producer] doesnt owe you anything' as if they are making some kind of point, not realize how stupid they sound? It's seems like whenever someone says '[producer] doesnt owe you anything', the unstated corollary they're implying is 'but you owe them your business'; which of course is just petulant narcissism, but it is a totally pointless statement in any case besides that. 'Just consoom product and enjoy it!'
Ultimately it all seems to come down to the fact of people having mental breakdowns over the idea of A, other people taking their patronage elsewhere if they feel like it, and more particularly B, the possibility of their decision to take their patronage elsewhere reflecting something to do with them, personally. 'Nothings the matter with me, there can never be anything thats the matter with me, just let me do whatever, and consoom product!'

Of course noone born in the modern world today is raised with a psychology capable of dealing with reality in a productive manner, so this is the hell we are all stuck in until the inevitable collapse.

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>>28399191
> Instead she felt compelled to imply the audience is a bunch of weirdos
I mean have you seen teamates?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394746
Based

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>>28394746
Amerilards ruined everything indeed

[Anonymous No.]

>>28483143
Im worried that gachikois will get bullied into continuing to support even though they dont get the content they want. If you dont like what your oshi is doing put your money where your mouth is and unsub. Dont let these normalfag hypocrites fool you into thinking you need to support people who spit on you just because your morals dont align with theirs

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>>28394906
So true, man. Christ is King.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsK5xpzT90

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>>28401346
>They know they can't maintain that image, so they just lower the standards instead of even -try- to be better people
The absolute state of amerilards. Japanese women constantly strive to improve, while amerilards are self entitled cunts who will do everything in the world to avoid working hard

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>>28484581
Yeah man, Ame certainly doesn't seem like she works hard...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28426344
>how are they getting away with it?
Because simps allow it. Look at fancucks. Or at however the fuck Slobmori's fans are called.

[Anonymous No.]

this entire thread feels like a /pol/ demoralization thread. 0/10

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>>28394746
Come on, you ALL KNEW the HoloEN homos were coming sooner or later. At this point, all you can do is wait and see how they behave and how your oshi interacts with them. Same as HoloJP, I expect a few will interact with them regularly, most will interact rarely as obligated and the rest won't interact at all.

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>>28484414
>>28394906
ahh there it is. fucking cultists recruiting again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28484916
not anymore, she outsources now

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394746
Would this be more palatable if she said "let's improve together" or something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394906
I will sell him for 30 pieces of Silver

[Anonymous No.]

>>28484916
Yeah she's started to make excuses for not streaming every other day and seems to not like her fans anymore. She definitely used to have a mutual parasocial thing going on, especially around last christmas. Time to move on I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>28434918
Braindead reasoning - if you really do what you preach, please jump off a bridge whenever you get too old to work and pay as much taxes. Or if you get a debilitating illness.
You don't give up on living in general, despite what you preach.

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>>28475521
Not really, it's not 100% of their attention forever, just however long they're idols. It's a symbiotic relationship, the fans devote themselves (above and beyond a regular fan of something else) and the idol responds in kind. That doesn't mean that all their time should be spent on their fans or that they can't have private lives, just that they should respond to their fans efforts with their own efforts and not take it for granted or treat them badly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28483143
>>28484144
Best and most reasonable posts ITT. Also if any of these vtubers really didn’t want the unicorn money they would Admit to having a boyfriend from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28485875
Probably just got a new boyfriend, happens

[Anonymous No.]

>>28486481
>Braindead reasoning
Your post is braindead reasoning because coming to terms with your state as a genetic reject does not imply that you should commit suicide. You were already sorted out through natural selection; the point in time where you die is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

most of them aren't going to collab with males because they have boyfriends

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394906
>PLEASE SUBSCRIBE TO MY HECKIN JEW ON A STICK/FAG IN THE SKY CHANNEL
No

[Anonymous No.]

i hope en do collab with the males and get the seething schizo incels to kill themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>28422589
I dont know anon, if he hates bankers then I say I'm on his team

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394906
based, twitter and pol tourists are seething

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>>28475521
>"100% of their attention" is simply a psychotic request
No one besides psychos is going to watch and superchat a woman doing boring shit for hours.
Check out male vtubers who don't do BFE, their numbers are abysmal in comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28405351
>touch grass
twitterfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>28405351
>they spend hours learning how to sing, dance, and be entertaining

Are you talking about Ame here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28485454
I dont think you understand the definition of a cult

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>>28401346
>I've never even been a big Ame fan
no shit, your post reveals you don't even watch her. At best you have a surface level idea of what she is from fucking clips and I doubt even that. You should consider swallowing some meds instead of choking on cum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394746
Alright sure, I get it. But you can't just act like people who don't get the appeal or how they're supposed to act as fans don't exist. When the fans just enable dogshit practices that their oshi does or vice versa, it's no longer "support through the thick and thin", it's just a parasitic cult. It is true that idols are where they are thanks to the fans, but if you see a fan living like a complete degenerate because they "sacrificed" themselves for you, are you really just gonna act like there's no problem? There is such a thing called tough love you oldfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>28425894
/thread

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>>28440103
You're on 4chan you fucking dweeb. If you truly do subscribe the shitlosophy of "just literally be braindead and go with the flow", then it's a miracle you haven't killed yourself yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394746
you sound like a person with an uninspired lazy life and you typed all of this to rationalise it, you're clearly a person who drags everyone around you down. it's okay to not try and you can live your life comfortably like that, but try to keep your shitty attitude to yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394906
SPBP

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>>28485562
"let's improve together"
HAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEANING
from what Ame said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28395000
>>28395057
>>28399435
>>28422589
>>28446685
>>28485454
>>28485740
>>28488714

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>>28394746
>It has nothing to do with pretending to be your girlfriend
factually wrong, I've been around idol culture for something like 20 years, before reddit was even a thing, it has LONG been sold as a parasocial relationship designed to insinuate a quasi-romantic relation. everything you said is just your bullshit wishes, not based on reality, marketing, or intention behind idols.

[Anonymous No.]

tldr thread summary:
don't be a fucking weirdo and obsess about other people and your life will be objectively better

[Anonymous No.]

>>28496771
you should take that advice yourself anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28496771
OK, go do that

[Anonymous No.]

>Jannies delete wholesome self improvement thread and leave this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28497810
Not like this thread actually has shit happening in it. The "drama" has already died out

[Anonymous No.]

>>28485454
That explains why everyone here are so obsessed with whores and purity, it's full of christianfags and muslimfags. There's no room in heaven for you retards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394906
Jesus doesn't stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>28398382
subaru's FIRST collab was with a man, not even someone in hololive, someone in nijisanji at that.
this wasn't the "deal from the start"
that shit changed, and it changed fast, it hasn't even been the norm for even half the life of the brand

[Anonymous No.]

>>28434918
literally every driven creative person constantly talks about having the drive to work on themselves and self improve, this is just incel hikkiNEET cope so they can deflect the blame
"IT'S NOT MY FAULT I DON'T DO ANYTHING I WAS BORN THIS WAY"
Why are you listening to a fucked up loser on advice on how to not be a fucked up loser?

literally the same as "fatphobia" SJW logic

[Anonymous No.]

>>28439895
she didn't tell her "audience" to do better, she told people who are acting like freaks over the slim chance she talks to a man to turn that energy into productive tasks instead of being a weirdo.

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>>28501989
>literally every driven creative person constantly talks about having the drive to work on themselves and self improve
By 'improve' they mean turning something already exceptional into something even greater. For every step you take, a truly talented person takes an entire leap.
When you look at ancient epics you don't see the heroes stopping to masturbate for six months to raise their testosterone levels before attempting to do something - they just did things, without even thinking. The greatest talents in science and art revealed themselves in their youth already; people looked at them with awe, and they did their greatest works before they hit 30. Doing great things was not something they had to force themselves to do at a rational level - it was an expression of their innermost essence. Midwits tell themselves that they could manually acquire this kind of genius, that they could emulate in software what for some is built in hardware, unwilling to face the fact that they are not meant for greatness. In the middle ages and antiquity it was commonplace knowledge that people were not the same, that there were noblemen and peasants, bronze, silver and gold souls. Only in a liberal-bourgeois modernity, ruled by the uncreative, the merchants, people could get these ridiculous ideas of equality, where everyone could shape himself to became whatever he wanted. Only people who have never witnessed true greatness, whose minds are too small to even recognise it, could think that.

If you were a great person, you would not be debating this question with me, you would be doing things, because doing would be the essence of your being.

But you're not, you're a mediocre person, like everyone else here, you just haven't come to terms with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28501989
>retard can't into determinism
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394906
Isa is great but you must also follow the teachers of the Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28419820
With me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28503869
You're the terminally online incel version of those SJW "academics" writing about metaphysical whiteness or whatever. Btw you're not a loser because you were born that way, you're a loser because you have never accomplished anything in life.
>Doing great things was not something they had to force themselves to do at a rational level - it was an expression of their innermost essence. Midwits tell themselves that they could manually acquire this kind of genius, that they could emulate in software what for some is built in hardware
This proves that. If you had a single skill, you wouldn't have written that.

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>>28505843
When Chad tells you to just be yourself, you should listen to him. He's not lying to you. That is his perspective on the world. He just is who he is. And this also tells you that being Chad is not the result of a process but an essential mode of being.

>online incel version of those SJW "academics"
Your liberal perspective that denies that there is an essence to people is far closer to "SJW academics" than my perspective is. The Marxist believes the same things you do, his perspective is just a bit more elaborate since he brings historical materialism into the equation. In his mind, ability is not just a matter of will but also a matter of the material conditions, which is the primary reason for Marxist demands of the equalisation of material conditions to achieve the classless state of communism.

I however tell you: nobility is a real thing and it runs in the blood. A peasant raised a palace does not become a prince.

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>>28506352
Cool story bro. Anyway, skills take work and effort, decades of it. Look at the greatest composers in history for example and you will find that they did little but study, study, study and practice. The only difference between you and the average twitter tranny is that they will blame le oppressive majority while you blame some vaguely defined and borderline-theological biological aspect.

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>>28506628
>Look at the greatest composers in history for example and you will find that they did little but study, study, study and practice.
Study and practice alone is not sufficient for greatness. There are countless composers who put in just as much effort and practice but whose names you've never heard of and whose music you've never listened to.

>blame some vaguely defined and borderline-theological biological aspect
I don't blame. I describe. It is your own fear of your own mediocrity which ascribes negative meaning to what I'm saying.

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>>28506940
>Study and practice alone is not sufficient for greatness. There are countless composers who put in just as much effort and practice but whose names you've never heard of and whose music you've never listened to.
He says, not realizing he moved the goalpost from "being a functioning member of society with an average life" to "being one of the greatest composers in history." Those composers nobody has ever heard of still got lots of money, prestige and bitches.

>I don't blame. I describe. It is your own fear of your own mediocrity which ascribes negative meaning to what I'm saying.
Unlike you, I'm not mediocre. Guess why? Cause I put time into things. You may wanna try it. You might even find it's very rewarding. Certainly much more so than being a ~le intellectual doomer academic~ on an internet forum.

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>>28506352
no, your parents just didnt give you enough discipline training, you can change that, there are literally exercises to change your brain. your neurons can literally be physically changed by this. you say this is a liberal perspective but saying "im just born like this" is way more liberal, the conservative thinking is all about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and making something of yourself through hard work.
stop being in a welfare for life mindset, we're not here to take care of you while you leech
clean your fucking room, get a job, stop jacking off all day, you just have to stop following your base instincts and exert a small amount of willpower for a few weeks and you'll be shocked how much you can do
https://youtu.be/u1cfx833ql8?t=481

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>>28507758
I didn't expect a Tate video here of all places

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>>28507321
You were the one using the greatest composers as an example. I merely told you: you don't get to that level without the necessary talent. But if talent is a thing - then disability is a thing too. We know for a fact that pretty much anything you can learn somehow correlates with IQ, which is for all we know immutable, normally distributed and largely heritable. But if we somehow quantified whatever the combination is that makes up composing skill, we'd likely also find it to follow a normally distributed pattern, and if we assume that you'd have to be above average to gain prestige at something (after all - the majority is already mediocre), then you'd find a smaller and smaller circle of people expressing these traits.

Obviously for music it's rather murky, since we can't yet fully quantify what makes up musical talent (in the future we will however be able to do this), but if we stick to IQ, there already is a pretty hard limit for the point where you - at no fault of your own - become useless to society. And it's an IQ of 83. That's when the military won't allow you to enroll because they've determined that you'll do more harm than good. And this is not a rare number - this is one in ten people.

It is utterly ridiculous to cling to this liberal model of reality, where ability is an expression of will (and let's not even start to ask where will comes from - people like Hume or Schopenhauer had a pretty good idea - but liberals don't read much), rather than an expression of being.

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>>28508138
well I could link a centrist or a lefty, but he's already indicated he doesn't wanna hear that perspective so I pointed him to someone he might actually hear and listen to. whatever tool gets the job done.

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>>28507758
Your idea of "liberal" and "conservative" is informed by a false dichotomy that happened after WWI. The modern brand of Anglo-American Conservatism, this "bootstraps" mindset, is a rebranded form of what was formerly called "Whig Liberalism". Both the progressive liberalism common among the modern left and what is commonly called "Conservatism" in the Anglo-American world are liberal ideologies.

If you read people like Spengler, Jünger, Ludovici, you will find a completely alien mindset to a modern Conservative.

"Discipline Training" is a cargo cult. For all we know, a conscientious personality is just as heritable as IQ is. Why do you think the kids of single mothers turn out so badly? It's not because they are being 'raised' in the wrong manner, it's because they inherited the genes of a thrill seeking mother who carelessly allowed herself to get pregnant by some scoundrel (lacking the patience to actually wait until marriage and being fully established or thinking to be able to "tie the guy down"), and an irresponsible father who would get a woman pregnant and then run off. Single motherhood is an expression of a lack of conscientiousness, which the child inherits, not the cause of it.
And what proves it is that the presence of a step-father doesn't make things better - the biological father must be around for that (Peterson himself comments on that; given the types of contents you're posting here you must be familiar with him).

And don't get me started on adoptive children. Adopting a child would be the worst thing you could do, since those typically inherit the genes of drug addicts, where a lack of conscientiousness (and often IQ) is paired with a predisposition to develop addictions.
And you're not going to "fix" that by raising kids "properly". No amount of beatings (or whatever you intend to do) is going to drive their nature out of them.

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>>28508139
>You were the one using the greatest composers as an example
Because it shows that even the greatest 0.0001% at something will still have to spend their whole life learning, practicing and studying.

>which is for all we know immutable
I have zero doubt that intelligence is immutable to a degree, but this is the opposite of the truth: IQ scores being different over time isn't even an exception, it's the norm.

>And it's an IQ of 83.
Again: you were comparing loser to chads, and now you're arguing about people who are literally retarded. If you're a literal retard, there's not much you can do. Anybody else who's a loser is just lazy.

>It is utterly ridiculous to cling to this liberal model of reality, where ability is an expression of will (and let's not even start to ask where will comes from - people like Hume or Schopenhauer had a pretty good idea - but liberals don't read much), rather than an expression of being.
No amount of falling back onto philosophy will change the fact you're a loser cause you're lazy. Go ahead though and lead that twitter tranny life if you wanna and keep complaining. I'm not gonna stop you. If anything, it means one less person I have to compete with in the world.

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>>28508139
>cling to this liberal model of reality, where ability is an expression of will
no lib would ever say this? they constantly frame things about a check list of privileges, without which you have no chance of succeeding, this is equity theory. you keep pretending what you're being told is the liberal view when it's literally the most conservative of all ideas: you have to put in work to see results, the only reason why you fail is your own laziness, you're spouting welfare handout mentality and calling everyone ELSE leftists... i feel like im in the twilight zone right now

please tell us how everyone else is more privileged than you, and that's THEIR fault. yep those white cis men keeping you down troon? you cant lose weight because you have bad genes? next youll say you can't get a job because you're black or a woman

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>>28503869
I like people like you. You know your place is at the bottom. Harmless, ineffectual, and invisible. Hopeless and checked-out. A volunteered eunuch. But if you're gonna be like that, you should at least afford the rest of us a single further courtesy by keeping the pseudo-intellectual cope to yourself. A loser's pontification is actually offensive. First of all, you don't know shit. You've never been good at anything in your entire life and have no credibility. And second of all, no one is interested in your navel-gazing garbage.

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>>28508873
unironically this

>>28508694
"im so smart and above everyone else here, look at my perfect logic, but somehow im so disabled i can't make myself any better"

what a waste

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>>28508703
>Because it shows that even the greatest 0.0001% at something will still have to spend their whole life learning, practicing and studying.
Of course they do. But the point is that if you lack the necessary giftedness (or possess the right kind of retardation - to word it the other way around), then no amount of practice will get you closer to your goals. Not to mention that the ability to sit down, focus, make long-term goals itself is for all we know also something that is largely heritable (see >>28508694).

>I have zero doubt that intelligence is immutable to a degree, but this is the opposite of the truth: IQ scores being different over time isn't even an exception, it's the norm.
Being different over time is a bit of a dishonest argument. It's like a leftist telling me that the human genome is 99.8% the same between people and that the differences between people of the same race can be larger than the differences between people of differing races - which is true - but which ignores that this cannot be grasped in a mere quantitative manner, since not all genes do the same thing and there patterns within which are much more rarely present among certain demographics. IQ is mutable to a degree; e.g. you can practice a particular task at an IQ test and you can get better at that particular task; if you now practice a lot of tasks you can actually raise your IQ by a few points for that particular type of test, but there is a clear limit to it and as soon as you're given a different type of test, you don't actually do better at that, so you don't actually get smarter. And the limits within this is possible is for all intents and purposes meaningless. You can't turn normal people into geniuses that way - if it were possible we would be doing that.

>Again: you were comparing loser to chads, and now you're arguing about people who are literally retarded.
But Anon, who do you think the "losers" are? IQ is not the only normally distributed trait. Look at the manlets for example. And 83 is not 'that' low - as I said: it's one in ten. That's quite a lot.

>No amount of falling back onto philosophy will change the fact you're a loser cause you're lazy.
That might as well be the case - but what I'm telling you is that 'lazy' is an essential character trait.

>no lib would ever say this?
I don't think you know a lot of libs. The lib thinks exactly like you do, except that he believes that there are a bunch of other factors that keep people down. In the past this was mostly material conditions, e.g. the child of a labourer would be considered less likely to reach the upper strata of society due having access to worse education, having to work to support ones family, etc. - in the recent years, other factors were added to that, e.g. discrimination.

To me, the essentialist, they are both wrong. The poor people stay poor because they inherited the genes of people who lacked the ability to climb to the top of society. At some point, the materialist perspective may have played a role, but from the 70s onwards, there has been a stratification of society along the lines of giftedness. You still find the occasional underachiever or upstart, but most people are where they belong. And Peterson agrees here too.

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>>28509858
>but there is a clear limit to it and as soon as you're given a different type of test, you don't actually do better at that, so you don't actually get smarter.
this is proven bullshit, not only can you do this, but it creates new neurological pathways in your brain specifically designed to work on the type of problems you practice. in the same way you can go from a general worker to a specialist, there's studies showing that the more you encounter certain types of problems the more apt you become at solving them, and logically adjacent problems.
there has never been a proper study showing the opposite.

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>>28508873
>I like people like you. You know your place is at the bottom. Harmless, ineffectual, and invisible. Hopeless and checked-out. A volunteered eunuch.
A servant is not necessarily at the bottom and even the man at the bottom has a place. Society itself is a hierarchy of servitude, and those who deem servitude beneath them are typically incapable of leadership.
Your disdain for the serving man is typical of a liberal since the dogma of equality and it's implications become cruel imperatives. The idea that anyone could do anything if he had the will might be liberating to those of great will and great ability, but they also imply that those at the bottom are ultimately at fault of their own. The liberal elite, the merchant, despises the labourer, for he sees the labourer as his equal that is unwilling to do the extra step to become free; an incomplete human being due to "self-inflicted immaturity". Sapere aude is a heartless demand when directed at those of small mind.

This is completely different from the aristocratic ethos. The prince would regard himself superior to the serf by virtue of who he is, but due to that he could be compassionate and being better would compel him to protect those beneath him. True compassion is only possible with an awareness of difference.

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>>28509858
>Of course they do. But the point is that if you lack the necessary giftedness (or possess the right kind of retardation - to word it the other way around), then no amount of practice will get you closer to your goals
Except that's not true. Giftedness/talent makes very little difference. It will make the difference between you being great, and one of the greatest, but that's not a particularly large difference at the end of the day. Practice and study are 99%, talent is 1%. You wanna be in the top 0.0001%? Yeah, then you will need that extra percentage point. And again, we're talking about being the best of the best here, which is not the same conversation as "you're either fucking girls by age 16 or you will be a virgin for life," which is the point you started with.

>You can't turn normal people into geniuses that way - if it were possible we would be doing that.
Gonna agree with this paragraph. It|s why I mentioned that it is immutable to a degree - a large one, like you said. Again though, we're talking about retards and geniuses here. We're not talking about how if you're a loser by 20, you'll forever be a loser.

>And 83 is not 'that' low - as I said: it's one in ten. That's quite a lot.
Gotta try harder then. Unless you're legit retarded, if you try hard enough you can at least have a normal life and not be a loser. You're likely never gonna be in the "greatest" category of anything though.

>That might as well be the case - but what I'm telling you is that 'lazy' is an essential character trait.
I'd love to hear you explain this one.

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>>28510468
>there has never been a proper study showing the opposite
Increasing IQ is the holy grail of psychology. Go ask Peterson if you don't want believe me. The fact that we can't do it, the fact that you have a large subset of society whom we have no use for, is proof of that. No amount of papers where under lab conditions a certain aspect of intelligence got positively influenced at a minor degree is going to change that.

We find correlations between reaction time and IQ, we find correlations between short-term memory and IQ - if you ask me, that heavily indicates that we're talking about hardware here. Smart people have more registers more bandwidth and more cache. Obviously the latter is more hypothetical than backed by evidence, so you might dismiss that. But the former part I said is crystal clear - and Peterson is on my side here; I can look if up if you want me to.

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>>28475521
100% of their attention while they're "on stage" is an entirely reasonable request, and really should the bare minimum requirement to be doing this job.

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>>28395083
he's just like me fr fr

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>>28510672
> ...his equal that is unwilling to become free
False dichotomy: in general a lot of people's circumstances are generally outside their control--in the POV this isn't strictly about merit or wherewithal. There are certainly views that tie it most directly to "personal responsibility" but that's one view of many.

Regarding the rich hating the poor, you can get there by means of way shallower and more materialistic explanations. I'm not sold on the innate moral kindness of the monarchal ego, by contrast.

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>>28394746
>To suddenly say that their fans are the problem now that they have become something is unacceptable. You don't have to be a unicorn or even a Teamate to find that disrespectful.
That's why it's so funny though. Imagine if all their fans decided to go out and get a girlfriend. Oh no looks like all the talentless e-hos are back to eating cup ramen. Anyway.

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>>28510962
>Of course they do. But the point is that if you lack the necessary giftedness (or possess the right kind of retardation - to word it the other way around), then no amount of practice will get you closer to your goals

>Practice and study are 99%, talent is 1%. You wanna be in the top 0.0001%?
Where do you take these numbers from? Can you point me to the publication?

>"you're either fucking girls by age 16 or you will be a virgin for life," which is the point you started with.
I think you're misrepresenting my position here. I would not express things in absolutes; if anything I would talk about likelihoods. In that regard, the guy who is screwing girls at 16 might keep doing so until old age, while the guy who isn't mind at some point find a girl willing to let him screw him, perhaps even get involved in a relationship - but after a breakup it may take him years to find another, whereas the other guy might be able to find a new girl every week. Human sexual dynamics follow market imperatives, and like all free markets you see pareto distributions there, where 20% of the people have 80% of the wealth - and wealth in this case is a high likelihood of finding a partner.

>Gonna agree with this paragraph. It|s why I mentioned that it is immutable to a degree - a large one, like you said. Again though, we're talking about retards and geniuses here. We're not talking about how if you're a loser by 20, you'll forever be a loser.
It depends on what you mean by loser; if everyone who isn't Chad is a loser - then possibly yes. If we're talking about a normal life, at least economically, then no. When it comes to the sexual marketplace we see some unhealthy developments there, so you might have significantly harder time today than you would have twenty or thirty years ago.

>Gotta try harder then. Unless you're legit retarded, if you try hard enough you can at least have a normal life and not be a loser. You're likely never gonna be in the "greatest" category of anything though.
"legit retarded" is a bit of an arbitrary definition. Certainly people can be missing parts of their brains due to accident (which at times reveals not necessarily detrimental effects), but otherwise it's a spectrum. And a guy with an IQ of 100 although perfectly normal, healthy and capable of doing most things, is still unlikely to become a mathematician or theoretical physicist - even if he'd like to. And that's what I'm talking about. It's not just about will. And as I said before 'will' itself, in the form of motivation, conscientiousness, 'grit', etc. is also something people can't really tell you where it comes from. What is it generated by? If you ask me, it's heritable, and I believe the data backs me up on that.

>I'd love to hear you explain this one.
See what I said before. Most big five traits are heritable at roughly .5 - .8 - depending on who you ask. The ability to set yourself distant goals and work towards them rather than reach for the immediate is something not everyone is equally capable of.

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>>28394944
It's even simpler. Normalfags shouldn't be on the internet and the ones that are exist only to push their sex cult ideas. They don't actually watch or contribute to the things they criticize. There's no audience in the direction vtubing is currently being pulled.

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>>28443760
Vtubing isn't a real job, your seething won't change that you fucking loser.

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>>28441819
>>28436971
Stop taking their money then. Retire and live your superior lifestyle of riding the cock carousel, you unironically toxic ethots.

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>trying to preach self improvement to a board of people who spend all their day tearing each other down

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>>28440103
The image itself is retarded because it enables people who don't want to do anything to justify living in garbage, but it's funny because it definitely makes midwits who are doing their 'best' seethe that it might never truly be enough.

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>>28511847
I'm mostly talking about ideology here. When it comes to the actual expression of compassion, it is much more subject an innate, human morality that we've developed as a social species and it is an expression of subconscious feelings rather than a rationality rooted in ideological beliefs.

However, ideology can serve to draw lines between in-group and out-group, dehumanise certain people, etc.

And the monarch might as well end up despising the common man too for whatever reason, but I would still argue that there is a certain inherent morality to the recognition of inequality. If you are just better and you can do things that others can not and they are down in the dirt or they are being attacked by others, then we could see how that imposes a duty to defend them. If however they are the same as you, then why should it be your business to help them? They could just as well help themselves.

Bringing in material conditions is actually the Marxist contribution: the Marxist says, the poor guy can't make it big at the market because he's being exploited and therefore cannot accumulate capital to invest. His kids can't afford a good school, etc.

I grant some validity to the Marxist position, but I think the essential perspective, with regard to the different potential of people due to their different genetic make-up is generally overlooked.

That being said, I'll have to leave now.

I certainly hope my perspective is not demotivating. I am not proposing defeatism or not trying to improve your position - I antagonise the implication that effort will yield success or that just anyone could achieve it, because I simply see too many people who worked very hard and tried their best and still ended up at the bottom. And I'm not even talking about myself here (although discussing on the vtuber section of a mongolian cartoon board might count for some as such). And I'm not talking about people being unlucky either, for some it is simply a lack of raw ability; or of the ability to put their ability to use. Still, this should not mean that people shouldn't try. My perspective has a Calvinist property to in the sense that you will never know whether you haven't been pre-determined for salvation if you don't make an effort to manifest it. One has to try - but whether you succeed or not is ultimately in God's hands.

In that regard, I wish you the best of luck in your endeavours - maybe you end up a person determined for greatness after all. When it comes to myself, I'm not so certain about that, but that's also quite okay.

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>>28508873
A woman made this post.

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>>28512190
>Where do you take these numbers from? Can you point me to the publication?
I take these numbers from the fact that people don't just listen to the top 0.00001% composers, don't just look at the paintings of the top 0.00001% painters, don't just read the books of the top 0.00001% writers. Now bring this argument back to your original argument where being a chad is not defined as being in the top 0.00001% of something but instead merely having sex and relationships and such, and you can see where those numbers are going.

>I think you're misrepresenting my position here. I would not express things in absolutes [...]
So you're already backtracking by softening your position from "you're either a total loser or a total chad forever" to "maybe you can KINDA become less of a loser." Btw, it's funny how often people like you forget how many things go into finding a partner. One of the most common things people like you ignore is that to find one, you actually have to keep getting into situations where you meet new people. Of course you're gonna be forever alone if you spend your whole life at home, browsing an internet forum.

>When it comes to the sexual marketplace we see some unhealthy developments there, so you might have significantly harder time today than you would have twenty or thirty years ago.
Though that's a different topic, I won't disagree with you there. There's some fucked up stuff happening lately, especially due to politics, social media, the internet in general, etc.

>"legit retarded" is a bit of an arbitrary definition.
How do you explain the many highly driven, but utterly stupid people in the world?

>See what I said before. Most big five traits are heritable at roughly .5 - .8 - depending on who you ask. The ability to set yourself distant goals and work towards them rather than reach for the immediate is something not everyone is equally capable of.
It's an IQ issue, no doubt. But, again, we're talking about not being a loser. You don't have to be a theoretical physicist to get laid.

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>>28395156
3 years ago i worked hard to make a business, went to the gym and try to be the best I can be. Would watch my chubas for free being inspired by them. Now that I have money i gift them subs to support them. It is not wrong to tell people to improve them selfs, it depends on the person who received it.

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>>28512377
based, god I hate steve jobs so much it's unreal

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>>28394944
Bad comparison.
What's happening is closer to a male K-ON spinoff following the story of some dudes in another school. And you'd probably have a couple of OVAs or special episodes where both groups get to crossover, that's it. Nothing ruins anything.

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>>28518245
I'd bet 100 bucks Mori and Ame are going to collab with the males as often as they can and they'll push ship faggotary to "own" the unicorns.
but even if that doesn't happen, I think the actual problem is the girls having a negative reaction towards the people who don't like the idea of male collabs. We all know they hate their fans but it breaks the illusion too much.

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>>28398382
>muh theater company
thats fake as fuck
this is what makes them go on breaks and stresses them out constantly
besides its not even entertaining
for me they are streamers first
i just want them to be themselves on stream.
and yes i watch a few hololive streamers and yes i tried watching others but they dont do it for me.

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>>28504249
>Following the LARPER Muhammad

lmaooooooooooooooo

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>self improvement is LE BAD
t. teamate

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>>28394906
based
>>28504249
BASED

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>>28520383
>I'd bet 100 bucks Mori and Ame are going to collab with the males as often as they can and they'll push ship faggotary to "own" the unicorns.
Mori's so far been surprisingly good about shutting down shippers and will probably collab herself but has said she supports her coworkers who don't want to.
I'm skeptical she'll actually stick to it, but so far she's doing alright.

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>>28408305
There's Free! It's all about dudes but instead of a light music club, it's swimming.

They're all still gay, tho.

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>>28479036
you put effort in the wrong place

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>>28496235
>le parasocial
athletes are parasocial
actors/actresses are parasocial
youtubers are parasocial
>"i love all my fans"
> insinuate a quasi-romantic relation
you are retarded

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>>28483143
>>28486781
BASED
twitter trannies act like idol culture is some hidden parasity
no, every talent is aware of it, and they all choose from three options
1. actively crush it (Fubuki, Ina)
2. actively promote it (Rushia, Lamy)
3. passively benefit from it, somewhere in between (most holos)
if the streamer youre 'protecting' from idol culture doesnt fall into category 1, youre retarded