/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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>>28384415
Why was this a bad thing to say? Are you guys really schizos?

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>>28384415
She's not wrong though. You niggerfags do need a lot of fucking improvement.

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>>28384415
Girl that literally has crickets for a voice ask her gachikois to improve themselves.

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>>28384465
>>28384507
One way I can improve myself is to stop watching her content and watch someone who appreciates my viewership and donos.

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>>28384415
I'm saving this image, thanks OP

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>>28384726
Anon, one surefire way to improve yourself is to jump off a tall building and hope you'll be a better person in the next life.

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>>28384726
Improve yourself doesn't really mean get schizo over a different chuuba, but more power to you

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>>28384921
funny how the response to this was so different because 1) not hololive 2) /pol/ latched on to it

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>>28384415
Imagine being this upset over something your oshi wants for her fans wellbeing.
If you're that mad over le hekkin males then yes you do need to improve yourself. Make yourself a bigger chad than the males you cower and fear.

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>>28385033
Finana's thing was also 20x stupider though

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>>28384415
>>28384921
Now kiss.

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>>28384415
When is she going to learn Japanese?

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canceling membership and use the money to improve myself

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>>28384415
Wait, you are angry about ame telling you to improve yourself? Not that she didn't completely shut down male collabs? You guys are fucking weird

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>>28385116
This

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>>28384415
out of all the things to meme in that stream, im genuinely confused as to why this one is the thing schizos latched onto.
not the admittedly dumb "6k men might be talking to me RIGHT NOW!" thing, the one where she says unicorns should go seek help instead of doompost.

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>>28384415
TIME IS A FLAT CIRCLE

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Lots of cucks itt

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>>28385214
easier to meme two words on a derpy image

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>>28384726
that's the opposite of improvement
Get a grip

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>>28385214
because calling out useless schizos makes them defensive

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>>28385041
How autistic do you have to be that you don't realise you are being insulted? She's telling you that you're a loser by telling you to stop being a loser.

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If every person here were subbed to Ame and cancelled their membership, it could reduce her member count by 500. That would actually get her to give her supporters a proper response -- that she won't collab with men or else her allowance is withheld. She needs to learn the hard way, anons

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>>28385116
>>28385181
If that's what it takes, then yes, good, go do it. Whatever makes you able to stand male presence in streams.

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>>28384726
Based

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jp: i approb
en: u improb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuDnZKWRCsA

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>>28384726
BASED

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>>28384726
cry me a river

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>>28385333
yes and?

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>>28385333
>Is someone that doesn't mind or care about male presence or collabs so doesn't feel insulted at all.
>It's something our oshi wants.
>Says "improve yourself" because that's what's better for us, her viewers.
>cucks feel insulted.
How about, improve yourself, and stop being a cuck???

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>>28385041
>Make yourself a bigger chad
Liberal transhumanism.

Kevin is just as likely to become Chad as he is to become Stacy. The denial of genetic essence is characteristic of Liberalism and got carried over into Marxist ideology.

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The best improvement would be to leave this shitty board forever.

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>>28384726
>stop paying money to Ame
Are you a retarded teamate or something?
Ame asked teamates to 3 things:
1) Stop spending time on Ame (still pay her money though, Ame loves it)
2) Be productive
3) Grow yourself

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>>28385214
It's the implication that they need to improve their lives in the first place

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>>28384726
sinking deeper into escapism isn't self-improvement

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notice how all the posts defending ame insult the person they're responding too. really makes you think doesn't it?

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>>28385531
If I were part of her audience that would be the point where I stopped watching her because I wouldn't reward a literal whore for insulting me.

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>>28385536
You're deliriously retarded

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>>28385643
You should always be seeking to improve yourself.

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>>28385668
ame and her friends are /here/ so of course it's going to be personal

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>>28385333
it's only an insult if you know what she's saying applies to you

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>>28385668
Shame is a good motivator

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>>28385719
YWNBAW

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>>28385643
If you're mad about male collabs, you probably do have some nasty insecurities to work on though

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>>28385708
Ame didn't insult her fans, Ame just ask her fans to stop spending time on her, be productive and grow themselves

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>>28384415
>>28384507
>>28385116
>>28384632
>>28385158
>>28385214
>>28385531
She's not wrong in telling teamates to improve themselves and stop crying about her probably collabing with males, but on the flip side, if none of her fans were gachikoi losers she'd have a lot less fans. When you become a vtuber, you make a decision to pander to the worst possible type of fan.

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>>28385668
That's generally how discourse works on Twitter. They think calling someone "virgin" or "loser" is an insult on 4chan.

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>>28385803
She literally told the people by whose labour she exists that they're losers.

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>>28385668
Twitter trannies, all of them

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>>28385886
they are

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>>28385886
They are

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>>28384726
BASED. The best part of these posts is watching teacucks try to argue with it, not realizing that they're disagreeing with Ame herself.

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>>28385886
If you think someone telling you to seek to better yourself is an insult you probably are a loser. You probably need to better yourself far more than others if you take it so harshly.

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>>28385934
Yes, but that's part of who they are rather than something that could be changed.

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>>28385754
Yeah but saying it directly to someone you don't know sounds rude. If it were more like "keep improving yourself" or saying it to someone asking for help it would sound fine but this is the same thing the girls are against, unwarranted and unnecessary attempts at criticism from people who didn't ask.
Imagine someone said that to one of the girls and how much they would hate it. It's demeaning.

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>>28385805
If we assume that Liberalism were a truthful ideology and people could actually 'improve', then the result would be that she wouldn't have an audience because healthy men don't watch vtubers.

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>>28386069
You sound like a bitch if you think that way.

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>>28384465
Basically said the fans who love her romantically are schizos

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>>28386050
If being a loser is an inherit trait of yours, you deserve no remorse, attention, or pity and should be forcefully put down. Jesus christ

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>>28386024
What makes you think you're better tho? That's some huge ego you got there.

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>>28386120
Is that all you got?

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>>28386124
So the truth then?

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/vt/ really is the least self-aware board

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>>28385520
take a shower

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>>28386136
If you watch vtubers, being a loser is an inherent trait of yours.

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>>28384415
>>28384465
You realize what she meant by this, right?
She basically told all of her fans that love her the most to go fuck themselves. If my oshi rejected and dismissed my love for her the way Ame just did to her teamates, my heart would be completely broken.
She basically said "I don't care about your concerns or feelings. Take your love for me and instead go improve yourself so someone else will like you."

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watson fans/shark fans have been the cancer from day1

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>>28386205
Dude, that's like 80% of people who watch female streamers

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>>28386334
> Literal 2D fucking animated woman tells Chi-gyu to improve himself so that he can find love in real life
> This enrages the Chi-gyu
HAHAHAHA YOU ARE A FUCKING LOSER NIGGA IM DYING LAUGHING RN

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>>28386406
female streamers obviously do not believe that

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>>28386153
If you really care about what Ame thinks so much that you're going to sperg out like this then you should ask yourself why you're so offended.
You shouldn't be putting yourself down so hard to believe you can't improve, you should recognize you can be a better person regardless of how you are now.

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>>28386050
Imagine being content at wallowing in mediocrity lmao.

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>>28385886
>>28385934
>>28385955
>>28386318

She's right. If they're so worried about collabs with trampus or whatever the fuck then they are losers. However, a grown woman pretending to be an anime character, playing vidya for hours, and living off the charity of sweaty weebs isn't that much farther up the totem pole.

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wasn't ame literal trailer trash before hololive? why does she think she's better then her fans now?

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>>28386564
fair point desu

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I just want tourists to leave...

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>>28386024
If I told you to touch grass I wouldn't be doing it because I'm a supportive person who wants you to find a meaningful relationship but to insult you by asserting that you are lacking in attractive qualities as a man and therefore found yourself yet unable to find a woman willing to have sex with you.
If you think Ame was being supportive and not trying to deliberately be a cunt to her viewers (deserved or not), then you're either retarded or in denial.

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>>28386153
The fact that I'm not screeching at what an anime girl said is already proof that I'm better than the schizoids who are crying bloody murder at her.

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>>28386564
>girl working a job
>sweaty, mentally-ill consoomers
Not a good comparison

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>teacucks gaslighting themselves that they were never parasocial

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jesus, hololive in shambles meanwhile VShojo is winning like never before

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>>28386667
The fact that you think she's a cunt for saying this means she was speaking explicitly about you, anon. Time to do your reps and improve

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>>28386564
>fuck then they are losers
Yes, but that's a given. Who do you think so lonely and starved of female company that he'd consider watching grown women pretending to be cartoon girls for hours and hours good entertainment? Losers are literally the only demographic that watches vtubers.

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I just like watching the cute girls doing things, I don't care if they do things with boys because then I have fun by make-believe shipping them like I do regular anime characters.
V-tubers aren't real people anons, just treat them the same way you would an anime character from a show you like.

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>>28386754
It is truly impressive

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>>28384465
If she wants us to improve that means she hates our current selves

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>>28384726
Choosing a better oshi falls in line with improving yourself so go ahead.

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>>28384415
>>28386791

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News Flash: The 2D animated woman is not going to have sex with you.

Breaking News: The 3D woman behind the character is literally thousands of miles from you, and you do not know each other.

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>>28384465
>ame suggests self improvement
>losers and permaNEETS get stung hard and start shitposting
Nothing hurts like the truth.

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>>28386789
Anyone who's not a retard would immediately recognise this as an insult.

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>>28386667
I think you should touch grass. And I do mean that in a supportive way and in hopes that stepping away from the screen improves your mental wellness.

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>>28386833
Why shouldn't she?

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>>28386653
The Coco of En, truly a worthy person to carry on the legacy.

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>>28386932
Nope. Anyone who's retarded enough to think they are stuck as a loser forever, would immediately think that's an insult.

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>>28384921
Step 1 : Educate yourself
Step 2 : Improve yourself
Step 3: Inform yourself
Step 4: Know yourself
Step 5 : Ascend yourself

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This level of cope is fucking hilarious god how i wish i could send screenshots to the /vt/ of 1+ year ago

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>>28386754
it's funny who eager they are to defend this cunt who thinks of them as losers

"s-she's n-not even t-talking about u-us... s-she w-wants us to i-improve guys..!"

if that is not the very definition of being parasocial then I don't know.

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>>28386476
Ame doesn't realize how many teamates reject 3D women and reject the idea of finding love in real life. She also doesn't realize the can of worms she just opened. She fucked up. Hopefully she realizes this and gracefully climbs out of the hole she dug for herself. But I have a bad feeling she might pull a Mori.

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>>28384465
most of the hate is collab beggers mad she wont do a bunch of streams with holostars

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"HAVE SEX" - Schizo Ame, 2022

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>>28386723
>working a job
If those sweaty, mentally-ill consoomers stopped engaging with her all at once, she'd be screwed. That isn't the same as having a normal career no matter how much you receive in charity.

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>>28384726
I think a good first step is actually doing it instead of boasting about doing it here. but for that you would need to be a teamate to begin with

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>>28384726
She told you to get your dick in a real woman, you stupid faggot. Not another virtual whore.

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>>28386723
>Job

Brother I sure wish I could work a "job" where I played video games for a few hours every couple of days and raked in 200k+ because I have a female voice and anime avatar.

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>>28386876
Ame is a loser who had a lucky break in life. She shouldnt be chastising anyone

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>>28386280
never

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>>28386873
This.

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>>28387437
It only works that way because a ton of schizos pay her that well. Don't blame the job, blame the cretin fans

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>>28386954
And I wouldn't give you such advice in earnest because I 'know' that you're a loser who can't get laid due to innate unattractiveness, so watching vtubers is your only way to get some sort of female company. I'm not as liberal as to think that you were in the position to change that and that you're pretty much doomed to perpetual loneliness. This sucks of course and I feel genuinely sorry for you.

>>28387023
I think you should read what I wrote above since it also applies to you.

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>>28387448
If you get mad at Luck builds of all things then you deserve to be chastised.

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>>28387512
>because I 'know' that you're a loser who can't get laid due to innate unattractiveness, so watching vtubers is your only way to get some sort of female company
This is the attitude she wants you to improve from. Stupid fuck

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New Ame just dropped. Time to drop Watson.

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>>28385968
but you don't need to unmember or even stop watching her to grow yourself

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>>28387504
>It only works that way because a ton of schizos pay her that wel

Yes, therefore probably best not to antagonise the deranged schizos that give you income.

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>>28385214
it's the one that made people feel called out

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>>28387579
>goes for the dropout
lol
lmao
you won't watch her either way eopchama

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>>28387617
It's her financial situation, if she thinks it's worth pissing off the scum her fanbase is, then so be it

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>>28387512
I'm married :)

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>>28387581
Not watching Vtubers is objectively healthier than watching them. It's the first step towards redemption.

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>>28384415
If this were JP, she'd be canceled immediately. But a lot of Western people seem to enjoy being talked down to for some reason. Self-loathing, I imagine.

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>>28387579
This ones a chinaman and also has a bf so the unicorns will still hate her.

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>>28387512
You watch Vtubers because you're a broken man who needs female company in his life to function

I watch Vtubers because I love seeing women work to entertain me.

We are not the same.

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>>28386667
If you told me to touch grass, I would fucking laugh in your face because I am confident enough to know you're talking bullshit, that I am in a good place at my life, have healthy relationships, and that I don't need any validation from some neckbeard rando on the Net who probably haven't touched a woman in years without paying her.

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>>28387617
Dropping the parasites is based though

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>>28384415
I WILL NOT EAT THE BUGS
I WILL NOT LIVE IN THE POD
I WILL NOT IMPROVE MYSELF

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>>28387696
Watching vtubers strictly as entertainment or background noise is also a healthy mindset.
People genuinely seek entertainment from theater or film, you can treat vtubers the exact same way.

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>>28387802
Killing yourself is clearly the best option then

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Can i get source?

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>>28387572
If you buy into that kind of improvement I'd recommend Prof. Jordan Peterson to you. He can also tell you lots of interesting facts about penis hygiene and knows all sorts of things about Solzhenitsyn (just don't ask him about that other book). People who are more realistically minded and more in touch with empiric reality however, will realise that there is such a thing as an essence to people and that this essence is largely immutable.

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>>28385333
>PLEASE BE OUTRAGED SHE WAS TOTALLY MEANIE TO YOU
really?

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>>28387758
>Giving you income
>Parasites

???

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>>28387820
Nobody in HoloEN is entertaining though. There is a parasocial element whether people want to admit it or not

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>>28384726
based

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>>28387739
>I am in a good place at my life, have healthy relationships
>posts on /vt/
Good joke

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>>28387820
Theater and film have artistic merit, and can give deep insight on the world and human society as a whole. What exactly does one "learn" from watching some 2D roastie die in Apex for 5 hours?

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>>28387913
Isn't he lobotomized? or was it that he fucks lobsters?

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>>28387913
If your "essence" is that you are inherently unlovable, why is it wrong to point that out? How is it rude if ame is just describing a truth of the world

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>deletes the comments shitting on holostarsEN
This isn't going to help me improve myself Ame

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>>28384726

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>>28387960
cope nijinigger

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>>28385668
>>28385849
>>28385923
>can't handle insults on 4chan
holy fucking newfags get a thicker skin you niggers

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I'm loving how manic people are getting as the fated day approaches, when absolutely nothing of note is going to happen because they'll be fuckboys smartly pandering to the Vox fujoshi crowd. If you can steal even 30% of that audience you're pretty much set as a Holostar.

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>>28384465
They hate truth as much as they love to lie and make shit up out of their asses about them.

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>>28387913
Why are we even trying to convince you to better yourself.
You've already convinced yourself that your gonna be fucking miserable for the rest of your life.

We throw you the rope down the hole, but you tell us there is no point climbing out because the hole goes on forever.

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>>28387997
>everyone that posts here is a virgin neet
Stop projecting

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>>28387683
I don't think you are, Anon.

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>>28387960
>>28388021
Alright, what about a circus?
Because watching clowns give me the giggles at their clownery is probably the best comparison here.

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>>28387960
you just have shit taste

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>>28384726
Based as fuck, gambatte anon.

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>>28384726
sorry for your dogshit taste, must be terminal

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>>28384726
she already said anyone can stop membering her anon. for some reason I don't think you ever watched her tho

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>>28387732
You're clearly parasocial - it's normal - it happens when you spend hours with people, even if you only do it through a stream. Denial is not going to change the obvious.

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>>28387997
Except that can actually be the case i only visit /vt/ because the hololive reddit is shit and twatter is for censorship happy tranny faggots and i value my freedom of speech simple as that.

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>>28387128
You are incredibly delusional.
Unicorns are a tiny minority. The majority of the audience, particularly and demonstrably for EN consists of normalfags. This will always be the case.
The disappearance of unicorns due to the presence of MALES has no doubt been considered by cover - the girls lose the most retarded and miniscule subgroup of their audience whilst gaining increased traction due to starsen. It's nothing but a win for ame and cover when you jump into a woodchipper because the anime girl you send five dollars a month to streams with a male.

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>>28386334
>If you get angry just because she talks to males == you love her the most

You're the kind of guy who tells his new girlfriend that the first thing she needs to do to prove her love is to delete all her male Facebook contacts, aren't you

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>>28384726
based

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>>28386069
thx for the feedback lol

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>>28388288
>>28387128
They aren't looking for or going to gain traction from Tempus. The producer position is for targeting females. Ame herself said in the stream they aren't targeting the same demographic. Both of you are retarded.

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>>28388288
you are working overtime in the threads today my guy holy shit and you say other anons are coping.

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>>28388288
>increased traction
hahahaah. Enjoy the viewers plummeting and getting less superchats like every time an HoloJP do a collab with an holostar.

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>>28388254
Lmao. I don't even watch her streams regularly. I watch clips. You're a lost cause bud.

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>>28384921
That's different though

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>>28384726
I KNEEL KING

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>>28387739
Your deeply hurt reply that goes into great lengths to explain how you're actually fine and how you don't need validation from me only confirms what I said before.

You might want to reconsider whether it is the most sensible strategy to keep simping and antagonising your fellow men for social credit - women won't find you more attractive because of it.

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>>28384726
Holobabs finally seeing the light.

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Did she say to gachikoi in generals to improve themselves or just unicorns?

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>>28387913
>defeatist self-fulfilling prophecy
>realistically minded
this anon needs to be prescribed anti-depressants

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>>28384726
>to stop watching her content
yes anon you're on the right p--
>and watch someone who appreciates

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>>28388035
I would actually respect her more if the insult were not veiled but direct.

That being said, I'm really not in her target audience; I don't even watch vtubers outside of clips. I don't even have a youtube account.

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>>28388627
That's actually not the anon whose post you were replying to. That's me. I still think you should touch grass but in a positive way since you're clearly struggling.
I believe in you my dude. We can all be better.

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>>28387696
and yet you're here.

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>>28386805
never want male appearing in my Yuri anime

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>>28384415
>people shat on "educate yourself" until there's no tomorrow
>teasharts will defend this like it's not the same exact thing

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>>28388053
Yes it is. Ame is forcing you to break from your unicornschizo mindset and become a functioning member of society again.

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>>28388288
>Tiny minority

Fucking newfags, unicorns send large donation after large donation on a very regular basis. It's the normalfags that donate $5 a month.

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>>28388846
It's absolutely not the same at all.

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>>28384726
Anon did your father ever hug you?

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>>28384921
>>28386871

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>>28388288
Holy shit fucking end yourself please. This hobby was built on unicorns. Not you normalfags saying it should be this or that. If you really want nijisanji or vshojo level content then just go watch them. Honestly you can have these girls I'm so fucking tired of everything. Can't have shit without people like you destroying it every single time.

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>>28387960
Idiots are simply addicted to the brand.

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>>28388867
>It's the normalfags that donate $5 a month
More like $0 a month, giving them too much credit

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>>28388846
false equivalence

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>>28384726
based...very based...

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>>28388846
This it really do be the same dumb shit tone deff statement just packaged in a different box.

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>>28388846
are you talking about the trap thing? if so I don't see how that's the same

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>>28388846
Yeah, because some female coomer nijinigger doesn't deserve to be shit on harder for the same thing. Right on, anon.

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>>28388627
Good thing I already have a girlfriend then. I know you're not gonna believe it, but I don't care. I'm just fine looking pityingly at you and anyone else who's seething at what a girl thousands of miles away hiding behind an anime face said. Chin up soldier! You'll get through this lol.

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>>28388120
>You've already convinced yourself that your gonna be fucking miserable for the rest of your life.
No, that is non-sequitur. My position is that societal conditions made the sexual marketplace more competitive, which is why larger fractions of the male population than before find themselves unable to attract partners. This is the explanation for the rise of popularity of escapist media - of which vtuber are one manifestation.
A liberal understanding of the world where sexual market value is a function of effort rather than genetic essence is really out of touch with reality. e.g. physical traits such as height, monetary success (which is largely determined by IQ and conscientious personality - none of this is going to be changed to a significant degree through effort alone. A simplistic, liberal perspective is simply out of touch with empiric reality.

>>28388743
See what I said above. To quote Spengler: optimism is cowardice. It is not defeatist to face reality. It is silly to lose yourself in ideology, not look at the world as it is but as you'd like it to be and therefore come to false conclusions.
I'm not telling you to accept your marginalised position, I'm telling you to find a better solution to the issue than buying into liberal transhumanist grifts.

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>>28388869
>Ame is forcing you to break from your unicornschizo mindset
you can't force them out of it, you'll just make them rebel. You have to treat them kindly and slowly walk them through it

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>>28386754
nyangoslings did the exact same thing
i'm literally rewatching the same events take place

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388899
>>28388970
>>28389031
>>28389057
>>28389103
someone telling you to educate yourself=someone telling you to improve yourself
the absolute state of coping amefags is just sad

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384465
Improving yourself is hard. Staying the same forever is easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389181
Maybe rather than blaming politics for your mediocrity you should look inward? Have a little personal responsibility.

[Anonymous No.]

>Feeling bad for anons that watch holo since I don't think there's nothing wrong with wanting to watch only girls, despite not caring about it myself
>Come to this thread
>People shitting on Nijisanji and Finana
We can't really co-exist huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389181
>improve yourself
>liberal transhumanist grift
You are severely mentally ill

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389257
Trite, no effort response to a well laid out statement. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388508
I think you're a little too invested for that. If you were a neutral viewer you would recognise that we have a cunt here who insulted her paypigs. I'm not going to get mad on their behalf - that's between them and her, but I'm going to get mad at people trying to tell me that this cunt did 'not' insult them - because that's simply a lie.

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>>28389219
you're being purposefully disingenuous, and I won't even dignify your fallacious """argument""" with a rebuttal beyond this: kill yourself faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389211
Nyanners kicked me out of it. I took a 5 months break from /vt/ and am """""normal"""" now. Totally not emotionally scarred and totally didn't develop trust issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389257
>tfw I looked inward and all I saw was guts and blood

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389212
>nyangoslings
How the fuck does one even end up gachikoi for Nyanners of all people
She was already known as a slut during her fleshtuber days

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389219
"educate yourself" about a word she got wrong compared to "improve yourself" if the presence of men makes you angry is not the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389306
>It is silly to lose yourself in ideology
Take your own advice. Seriously, touch grass. Unironically. In a supportive way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389352
things will get better buddy, just focus on yourself for a little bit, there's a lot of women out there with the exact same trust issues, it's not a deal breaker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384726
>She doesn't think people should shit themselves over her talking to males
>Obviously, this means she doesn't appreciate my viewership and donations >:(

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389363
i'm not talking about this for the billionth time. use the archives. cute is cute + mind works in mysterious ways + autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388798
See >>28389181.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389381
What are you even talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389344
>>28389378
no context is needed here, the bottom line is that the intent behind both phrases is the same
"don't like it? fuck off"

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389484
Your schizo posting won't stop me from believing you can do better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389542
If you have to say "no context needed" or "the bottom line" then they aren't the same, dummy

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389542
>putting words into the 2D mouths of anime women
Neither of them said that, you just interpreted their words in that way because of your own insecurities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389219
didn't finana give a whole lecture about how that was offensive or something? isn't this whole argument something about SJWs getting pissed about no real trannies in anime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389450
>just focus on yourself for a little bit
coming back here for the kson/nazuna news re-opened some wounds and I started feeling batshit insane so I recently sought therapy for the first time. hopefully i'll manage to let go of all of this and stop coming here for good. i was a teamate before I switched to nyan in early 2021, thank god I didn't try switching back lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389742
unironically based, even if you're gonna get a bunch of posts about how therapy is useless

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389451
"Talking to males" is code for "having sex".
No I will not take my meds, it's 100% and obviously what they mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389257
You won't find reality in yourself, you will find reality outside of it.

You talk about responsibility but you're unwilling to look empiric reality in the eye, clinging to delusions of autonomy. If your model of the world is based on falsehood because you are too weak to bear the weight of reality, then you won't be able to come to the right conclusions.

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>>28389742
you're not insane, this place is just a constant battleground of propaganda, schizo's and bitter assholes trying to make people unhappy by ruining things they enjoy. Just think of it as the "shitposting board" and don't take it seriously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384726
truly embarrassing, I can smell you from here
glad Ame is getting rid of these fatass losers like you

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388867
You still a minority dickhead. Doesn't matter how much money you faggots give her. You're still fall under that category alone. The rest of the majority gives no fucks about what you incels fucks bitch about on here.

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>>28389484
lmao, If you genuinely believe this drivel you should consider suicide because this line of thinking only ends with nihilism or hedonism, both of which are degenerate.

Stop tying your self worth to the opinions of hypothetical women. Go outside, learn to play guitar, eat better, work out, build something. Self-improvement should largely be for the SELF, it's in the name after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389293
No effort in the world is going to turn Kevin into Stacy. No effort in the world is going to turn Kevin into Chad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389905
>I'm a based empiric truthseeker, it is righteous and strong of me to obsess over anime girls online due to my poor inherent qualities that can in no way be improved upon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384921
Feels good not even knowing what this is about because I'm not a nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389961
Ok twitter tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389961
>Doesn't matter how much money you faggots give her
That is literally all that matters to Cover Corporation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389905
Yeah sure man I agree, or maybe not, whichever. Maybe you would appreciate some objective reality like going out and meeting new people and interacting with real humans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389181
You need to stop watching whatever YouTube channels you're watching that are "teaching" you all those buzzwords and find a fucking mentor in your community or something. You're being manipulated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389727
didn't ame do a whole lecture on why she should do whatever the fuck she wants regardless of what her fans who have supported her for a long long time want?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28386024
It’s patronizing. She never answered the very polite question either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384415
Although, it's true that improving oneself is something that would be ideal, reality is quite merciless.

Some people can do it easily, others not so much, due to various different factors, thing aren't simply yes or no. Some people are straight up lazy, others need something to push them, others have mental isues, physical issues, social issues, others accept their current situation and revel on it, others take too long to notice it and so on.

It's not that you can't tell someone that maybe they need to improve their lives, but one needs to be really tactful in the current internet envionment to not invite issues as we can see right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390232
It seems like the opposite of being patronized. It sounds like she's being pretty blunt with what she wants of you all, it's just not what you desire to hear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389896
When your mom talks to the mail man and the garbage guy at the same time is it code for having sex too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389935
anon I unironically spent 2 years of my life here, when i wasn't using the board it lived in my head rent free
i have 2 hard drives filled to the brim with holo and vshojo images
i represent a demographic that doesn't even exist to 99% of posters on this board
you can't just "yukkuri shitteite ne" me out of mental illness, i'm too far gone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390356
All women speak in code.
If you pay attention you'll learn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390369
You're doing better than the guy trying to channel Jordan Peterson so you got that going for you! Unless you are that anon then...well good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

You can tell that not enough people switched to the path of Lars, but they were too blinded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389945
Mother fuckers who looks like this thinking they have any say in who ame decides to collab with.

[Anonymous No.]

>ame tells unicorns to improve themselves
>they immediately behave in a manner that shows their need for self improvement

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384726
>>28385116
>>28385333
>>28385536
>>28385968
>>28386334
>>28386667
>>28387802
>>28388867
>>28388939
You guys are unironically encouraging fags like this, congratulations, the chinese anti LARP is working.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384415
I wonder if she would be the type to tell pic related that he could have normal relationships and get a girlfriend if he only improved himself and just put himself out there bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390369
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388305
It's not about talking to males. Can you please at least try to see this from the other perspective?

As a chat, no one is really more important to her than anyone else. Yeah, obviously superchats get a little bit more attention for a brief moment, but that's understandable because that's just polite.
But when they collab with males, you're basically forced to sit there and watch the girl you like interact more and have more fun with another guy than she ever will with you on an individual level. You have to watch her laugh at his jokes or even flirt with him all the while feeling like a third-wheel. So if you have any feelings for her at all, it just feels like you're being cucked.

I don't know if you're an unempathetic woman or just an idiot, but imagine you have a crush on someone and you both end up at a party where they're making out with someone else the whole time. That's essentially what it feels like.

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>>28389993
I'm not making an argument in favour of watching vtubing being this virtuous thing. I'm just arguing against a liberal, non-essentialist perspective, which is simply out of touch with reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390612
They hate being told the truth as much as they love to lie and make up shit out of their asses about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390713
The truth is Amelia has despised you people from the start

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389455
naruhodo

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>>28390042
I am telling you about objective reality. Do you have data to back up your position? I do.

>>28390043
So you're telling me to abandon empiric data and rely on a comforting anecdote instead? I don't think you thought your argument though to the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384726
>i need to improve myself by clinging onto a vtuber who enables my anti-social behavior

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390701
Nigga she ain't your girlfriend what the fuck? Imagine being upset about this take your fucking meds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384415
She put her foot in her mouth with that one. Everything she said beforehand was actually a great way to answer the question, then she got really condescending for no reason. She should have just left it at "I prefer solo streams but may not be opposed to big corporate crossovers"

[Anonymous No.]

You know what, she's right. I think it's time for me to drop this whole vtuber thing already.
I don't know why I am giving so much of my time and attention to people that think so poorly of me. It's illogical.
Time can't be refunded. It's a shame I wasted so much. I'll be better now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384726
>I can improve myself is to stop watching her content
Yes
>watch someone who appreciates my viewership and donos
No

Sliding deeper into your schizo fantasies is not improving yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390816
>women still overwhelming settle for the 2s
That's kind of based I mean I wouldn't fuck a 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390869
Bye felicia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385805
This isn't the first time she told her members to fuck off if they don't like how she runs her channel.
Ame has made it very clear she doesn't want fragile manchildren in her community.
Ame doesn't need or want every dollar she can get, which is evident when she distanced herself from Gura because she didn't want to be known as Gura's sidekick, and wanted to make her channel her own thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388288
screenshotting this post for when the numbers dip LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390869
You're in the same position as me then.
I've been trying to get out of this place since May 6.
Still here. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

Genuinely what the fuck is wrong with you people, why are you like this. What happened in your life to make you this way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389896
Anon, I hate to break it to you, but almost no vtuber is a virgin, and many of them have sex while continuing their vtubing activities. If you think otherwise you might want to get some perspective.

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>>28389181
It's wild that you claim that genetics and inherent traits are the reason why you are so miserable.

But yet the source of your shitty fucking genetics, your parents, also managed to get laid. The probable real reason you are a loser and ultimately end up screaming on image boards about a 2D woman who talks to other 2D guys, is because you convinced yourself you're a loser, and it's a lot easier and less scary to wallow in sadness than it easy to expose yourself to a new environment and improve.

I hunt, and I've noticed that animals have two reaction when we hit one. Rabbits keel over and die, they don't fight, they don't flight, they just accept death even if there is no predator there. Coyotes, run no matter what it does not matter where they hit, how little chances they have, they fight, they flight, even if the chances are impossible they don't go softly into that night.

You are a rabbit. Instead of fighting, you keel over and watch cartoon women until death walks over to usher you, unfazed, into that night.

Also using a thesaurus, doesn't make you sound smart dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390869
I realized the same recently and dropped watching altogether. Sometimes I can't help it and check in here out of boredom and there's always some new yab happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390622
holy based

[Anonymous No.]

It's the fact that a loser who was saved by a company thinks she has the right to tell the losers who made her a millionaire to "grow" when it's no secret that her audience is made up of like 95% lonely men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390978
Lack of social life lack of friends hell even their own family probably gives no fuck about them. Some of these faggots need to have some sort of family member intervention ASAP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390978
For me it was a false rape accusation and the sudden isolation that followed

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390816
Stop basing your self-esteem on the opinions of those outside of your concern, maybe then you can find happiness instead of seething and vomiting out buzzwords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390913
What do you mean by "settle"? They're not necessarily replying to these people; this is their perception of attractiveness. You can see that the male perception assumes a normal distribution whereas the female perception is distorted, with the majority of men being perceived as way subpar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390978
We were naive enough to allow ourselves to love without the expectation of being loved back, and ill-prepared to deal with the confirmation of that reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391148
Dude it's super easy to get laid. Trust me, these women are settling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391140
jesas anon no...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391120
Is it unreasonable to wish those lonely men to improve so that they work on their issues as opposed to staying lonely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390781
the truth is shes just a shrewish woman and probably nobody in her vicinity gets spared

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390869
Honestly, I'm finding myself in the same boat. Though it was fun it's about time to move on. On the plus side, at least it's on my own terms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391265
No, but she didn't say it that way.

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>>28390369
being obsessed with vtubers isn't mental illness though, everyone's obsessed with something, cars, crime shows, celebrity gossip. getting your vtuber fix through *this* website will lead to mental illness though, it's literally infested with people trying to make you mentally ill for their own amusement or their preferred companies benefit. Enjoy chuubas (whichever company you prefer) without letting this be your main source of chuuba info/discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391140
That's harsh bud

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391265
Saying it in a mocking manner isn't how you should get that across

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391316
See you tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390963
women don't deserve such freedom

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391315
True, she was nicer about it but hearing it from her hurts more than some random anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390978
Having literally no one for 15 years does this to a motherfucker. And no I can't just "make friends" I'm too ugly, awkward and autistic for that and people have no patience for someone like me. So you and every other "normalfag" can go fuck yourselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391346
>>28391315
you guys have really thin skin despite posting here

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391265
>Be fucked up man
>Often lonely though no fault of your own
>Ugly, short, poor, whatever
>Retreat to virtual gf because it's over for you
>Virtual gf tells you to have sex

Men cannot catch a break

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384415

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391120
And is ame fault you faggots decided to remain losers? As another anon mentioned. If your parents got laid why can't you? You're a ugly loser or a fat loser plain or both plain and simple.

[Anonymous No.]

come home teamates

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391408
I refuse to believe its no fault of your own, it's mostly you niggers getting in your own head and not trying, but this isn't the board for that. Especially if you're settling for virtual girls, of course you'd never improve

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391373
All I'm saying is the way she said it is probably the only reason people are mad
I don't really care myself but it's easy to get the picture

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391140
You just need to out yourself out there bro!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390835
please go be black somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391265
if it was an unprompted desire sure, but when it's a reaction to someone asking you to not collab with males then the only logical conclusion is that having that opinion is the sign of an inferior mind/person.

[Anonymous No.]

>like just improve yourself bro lol get a better life lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391479
>Be 5'1" and ugly

Yep, this sure is all my doing that females have no desire to give me the time of day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391499
It is. Only the lonely, insecure men have an issue with it. The exact people she was referring to

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384921
>Said the one who couldn't bother to ask why people use the word trap to describe traps.

As for Ame:
Self-improvement can be a good thing. For all of us. I don't know why she said it and honestly I don't care. We can educate and improve ourselves as we want. If stuck up cunts say it because they think they are morally superior so be it. I ain't doing it for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391334
What a bunch of bullshit the delusions these faggots sells to themselves TOP KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391437
It's not because of her, her success wasn't also because of her, it was because of hololive, otherwise she would still be just a nobody, a loser like the one she's telling to grow up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391554
No 5'1 male has ever had a girl before? ugly is usually subjective, too

[Anonymous No.]

>>28387705
>But a lot of Western people seem to enjoy being talked down to for some reason
Westoids literally have a fetish for being cucked. Go figure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391632
Absolute state of "just improve yourself bro" posters

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391120
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391346
You just proved him right dickhead. You have thin skin lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390816
Yep, that right there's the shit I'm talking about. Whoever's feeding you that stuff has something to gain by making you miserable like this. Never trust a total stranger who wants to give you free advice. Seek help from people in the community you live in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391658
Good argument, faggot. Glad an anime girl online can get you this pissy

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391368
Go outside you fucking couch hermit

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391472
>gigachad kiwawa calling bitchy viewers pussies
Tenchou I kneel

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384726
BASED BASED BASED FUCK WHORES

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391437
Holy shit learn English you fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390963
>This isn't the first time she told her members to fuck off if they don't like how she runs her channel
He's not lying

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384726
Look at all those triggered teamate (you)s. Pretty based anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390963
The only retards that spend money on this shit are fragile manchildren

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391726
I do everyday I go to work.
Try again I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391572
>Don't like something I'm doing? Stop being insecure you subhuman faggot
t-t-thanks, that fixed everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391743
After you get laid first. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391711
You are truly a tough guy, in reality you are on /vt/ so are probably just as big a loser as everyone else here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28386112

Honestly, we've gotten so much shit from Liberals and "woke" people, that the moment we hear some honest statements that resemble their words, we immediately shut them off.

The shitwoke liberals are using such statements to literally insult other and feel morally superior. That doesn't mean though, that something as general as this doesn't correspond to everyone. Including them. Despite doing the opposite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390963
> she doesn't want fragile manchildren

She doesn't want them, but still makes money off of them.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly when i think about it if they really do start collabing with guys why wouldn't i just start watching pomu or elira. At the very least they at least stream consistently. At the first moment i see a collab ill cancel my membership and take my 2 monthly aka's somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391554
Yuri Gagarin was 5'2", what exactly is your excuse?
It's easier to not try at life, that is your excuse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391049
>But yet the source of your shitty fucking genetics, your parents, also managed to get laid.
Pro-tip: if "the parents got laid" was a sufficient for "the children will get laid", then natural selection and therefore evolution would not work. Evolution works precisely 'because' not every child ends up getting laid.

>The probable real reason you are a loser and ultimately end up screaming on image boards about a 2D woman who talks to other 2D guys, is because you convinced yourself you're a loser, and it's a lot easier and less scary to wallow in sadness than it easy to expose yourself to a new environment and improve.
This quasi-Lamarckian perspective of 'improving' as the phenotype is simply out of touch with reality. That's not really how nature works.

>I hunt, and I've noticed that animals have two reaction when we hit one. Rabbits keel over and die, they don't fight, they don't flight, they just accept death even if there is no predator there. Coyotes, run no matter what it does not matter where they hit, how little chances they have, they fight, they flight, even if the chances are impossible they don't go softly into that night.

>You are a rabbit. Instead of fighting, you keel over and watch cartoon women until death walks over to usher you, unfazed, into that night.

I find it interesting how your example essentially backs my position.

From your moralising, human perspective that attributes human qualities to animals, you may deem the rabbit a coward when comparing it to the coyote but it's not like the rabbit can act against its nature. It does not 'choose' to be a rabbit or do rabbit things. It expresses evolved behaviour. Even if it had some sort of will, it could not 'improve' itself to become a coyote. It is a rabbit.

This is why I liken this liberal mindset to transhumanism. Just like the rabbit is not going to transcend its nature, humans aren't going to do it either. Kevin is not going to become Stacy by swallowing hormones and cutting off his balls. Kevin is not going to become Chad either by not masturbating and lifting weights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391854
Not crying that my anime oshi said mean things to me, so at least better than you bottom feeders
>>28391841
"improve yourself" would cause you to stop being insecure, you reductionist faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388084
NTA but I think what he means is that why do all of those defensive replies have the same template as if those were posted by NPCs... oh wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390978
How quickly everyone forgot that the world as we knew it sort of ended because of a literal plague.

[Anonymous No.]

Whoops,
>>28391479
see
>>28391934

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391049
>But yet the source of your shitty fucking genetics, your parents, also managed to get laid.
Not him, I never understand people who bring this up as a point because you completely ignore the radical change in the sexual and dating marketplace that occurred in the last 15 years or so with the advent of smartphones, social media, and dating apps making the competition way tougher than it was for previous generations.

In the past, communication on a global scale was unheard of, and local communication was much more cumbersome, meaning that girls were far more likely to give the people near them a chance even if the guy was below average. Now, why do that when a top 10% guy is only a few swipes away? If your parents are anywhere over 30 years old (meaning most parents,) they didn't have to deal with this at all. The stats back it up too, the latest generation as a whole is having sex a lot less than previous generations.

This is like when baby boomers tell you the best way to get a job is by visiting in person and giving a firm handshake, and if you didn't get a job, it's simply because you didn't try hard enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391924
She literally told them to fuck off

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391949
I agree with that other anon now. Who did this to you? Who have you been watching to fuck you up this badly? I'm genuinely curious who ruined you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391141
>Stop basing your self-esteem on the opinions of those outside of your concern
First of all, self-esteem is hardly a matter of conscious choice. It is as subconscious as liking someone or finding a certain dish tasty. Second of all, your own self-esteem can be as high as you want it to be, it's not going to make you more attractive.

[Anonymous No.]

Selen would never

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391479
>look like
>>28390678
>be told to just try harder bro, you can get laid if you try

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391334
>without letting this be your main source
Again, maybe I could've, at this point it's impossible. I started with HoloEN and immediately joined /hlgg/ as soon as they were announced. The site is linked with the enjoyment and I'll always feel like I'm not in the loop without it. Plus, during the /jp/hlgg/ days it used to be actually fun, and I have a faint hope that it will be like that again. And I certainly can't watch my ex-oshi anymore and feel myself falling for her again without feeling like a cuckold and hating all of it thanks to this site.
>it's literally infested with people trying to make you mentally ill for their own amusement
it's funny that you say that, i almost didn't want to mention the event that completed my total mindbreak because it'd give antis free materials but idgaf. a couple anons in this late-night thread >>27927082 >>27927399 >>27926045 >>27921641 etc. just tried their hardest to mentally destroy whatever nostalgic exnyanfags were left in the most cruel way and well they succeeded. legitimately the first time I've ever felt bullied.

[Anonymous No.]

Personally? I think this is cuckbeat deflection since she invented collabing with males

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391236
The data disagrees.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28391962
but when the person telling you to improve yourself isn't doing it out of a genuine desire for you to improve but is instead using you as a scapegoat to deflect criticism then of course that person isn't going to improve themselves. Idk if it's autism stopping you from seeing this but intentions matter.

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>>28392027
women are also having less sex nowadays in the exact data you're bringing up here, btw. Global communications means men have more of a chance to interact with more women too, so it isn't only a benefit from the women's side. I don't know why you argue this shit about dating markets when you very clearly aren't interesting in putting yourself in the dating market in the first place

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>>28386873
Is that why there are so many cuck fans? It's a double whammy; they get cucked by both the model and by the rooomate, so they get off twice!

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>>28392138

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>>28391816
And yet you still can't get laid? Since when getting pussy became hard? I see fat fucks with skinny chicks every fucking day. Maybe its a (you) problem. Solve it.

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>>28384726
Based take

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>>28392027
This also fails to take into account that two beautiful people can still produce an ugly child.

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>>28392204
>deflect criticism
There is no legitimate criticism against collabing with males that doesn't stem from insecurity.

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>>28391685
The data is just publicly available statistics. It doesn't serve the purpose of making people miserable it serves the purpose of allowing them to understand the world. Not looking at the world is not going to make you any less miserable because it's not going to improve your individual position. Not looking at your bank account is not going to affect your accumulated debts.

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>>28384415
I bet shes that type of person to believe everyone who watched Welcome to the NHK got "saved"

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>>28392138
i'm not falling for your whore anon
i'm not falling for anyone's whore ever again

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>>28391949
Maybe you are right, maybe you are going to die alone because you were unfortunately born with a psychological pre-disposition to helplessness.

Perhaps it is good that you do not reproduce, it would be very bad for your children to inherit that psychological state and just propagate an illness through the gene-pool.

If you wouldn't mind, could you either fix your bum-fucked psychological pitty me loud bitching, or at least go to the corner and fade to dust, so the rest of us can overcome our difficulties in peace?

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>>28391368
cry harder faggot, the only excuse for not making friends is you not trying, 8 billion people and you think no one would be your friend for superficial reasons. Take your meds schizo and go outside, join a club or something.

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>>28392204
Stop self loathing and your victim complex you idiotic piece of shit, and maybe just maybe you'll find a chick.

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>>28385668
It's all people that hate hololive, hate idols and hate japan

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>>28392061
>Who did this to you?
Life experience.

I would rather be interested in hearing from you where you see the logical flaw in my reasoning. Can you actually tell me how I'm wrong or do you just don't like what I have to say at some intuitive level?

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>>28392230
Yep, totally dude.
Haven't heard this a thousand times from dumb fucks who have it easy like yourself. You just cruise through life on mommy and daddy's credit cards. Must be nice.

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>>28392504
When was the last time you attempted to interact with someone of the opposite sex in any meaningful fashion to gain this life experience?

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>>28392351
nta. perfect reply holy shit, well done

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>>28392206
>so it isn't only a benefit from the women's side
It's not a benefit from the man's side if they comprise the overwhelming majority of the userbase for dating websites and the like, which they do. If you're a woman, you have the pick of the litter. But if you're a man, you are competing with double digit amounts of other men, minimum, for the chance to text with, not even talk to, any particular woman. This is well documented, and why men have to play all sorts of games with premium memberships and the algorithm to even get noticed. Example data from a random 23 year old girl from reddit.

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>>28392351
holy based

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>>28392374
You too.
>>28392538

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>>28388288
Lmao, Ame has the most amount of unicorns of any of the EN girls, they are her paying members
The vast majority of people like you never give money to these girls in any significant amount, because streaming only makes money based on charity and parasocialism

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>>28392504
It seems like your entire world view is fundamentally flawed and your entire perception of reality has been rotted by your misconceptions. Basically your logical flaw is that nothing you've said is logical or based on reality and you've deluded yourself into believing your subjective reality is the objective truth.
The only thing I can suggest you is that you step outside for awhile and interact with others and maybe hit the gym a bit. Take a nice walk and watch the sunset.

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>>28391949
>Kevin is not going to become Stacy
true.
>Kevin is not going to become Chad
The only difference between Kevin and Chad are the thoughts and actions they decided to take. You can control both. This is not a rabbit becoming a coyote.

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>>28392168
It's probably not going to get better until meidos start doing their fucking jobs. Until then, just think of this place as chinese whispers, there might be some truth but it's so distorted it might as well be fake. Look for people willing to spoonfeed/dispell rrats or treat it as gossip.

[Anonymous No.]

Who told you you should be happy?

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>>28384415
>>28384921
>like just be yourself bruh
>sure you might've been born poor, ugly, and disabled to an abusive single mother, be a 5' manlet in height, have a microdick, suffer from premature balding at 20, not have a decently high enough iq to be good at something, not have any creative talent, not have a high school degree because you dropped out, not be ripped due to never having a reason to work out, be on welfare due to not being able to find a job, live in your mother's basement because you can't afford to move out, suffer from a chronic health condition that's slowly killing you, and have no reason not to neck yourself outside of the cute anime girl who makes you laugh
>but, like, you're just not being yourself hard enough bruh
>if you just take a shower, hit the gym, get some new clothes and put on deodorant bruh then all your problems will, like, disappear
>just educate and improve yourself bruh
I love the just be yourself arc, and can't wait for the next one to eat their shoe.

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>>28392627
>my example data is one girl's tinder activity
I genuinely think you'd be happier killing yourself if the world is this inherently unfair and miserable for you. Poor anon.

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>>28391949
I also love it that when you stupid fucks spout biology and it makes me laugh. I am biologist so I can see right through your fake thesaurus speak, and acting like you've thought about this topic for a long time (it was really just pity-wallowing).
I'm not gonna teach you why every "smart" word you are using is wrong, but I will tell you.

There are women who love niggers. You think niggers are beautiful creatures? You think yourself below a nigger? Instead of counting your blessing, you make chalk markers about your insufficiences.

>>28392504
> I would be interested in hearing where you see a logical flaw in my reasoning.
No point in doing that, you are arguing in bad faith. You cannot even entertain the idea that you may be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Incels will point at literally everything on the planet as being the problem before they point to themselves and this thread is proof of that.

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>>28392538
Still self loathing blaming your own issues on everyone else. What you waiting on for "God" to send some bitch to come to you? ask you out for lunch? The fuck is wrong with you. Bet on yourself more often and quit being a emotional fucking faggot. If you aren't putting yourself out there how the fuck you expect for any good woman to take notice.

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>>28392717
you'd unironically be happier if you tried, but you don't want to, so sit there and wait for death i suppose

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>>28390978
I will not support male x female collabs, it ruined the nijiEN girls, it ruined the vshojo girls

Ironmouse used to be a funny content creator, now everything she does is shipping and making her content about her illness, which she combines into her shipping content

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>>28392285
it introduces an unnecessary social dynamic that will only complicate things, either deliberately (through shippers) or indirectly (through the insecurities of the lonely men that are the majority of this fanbase). I personally don't enjoy drama and this will definitely lead to drama. I can't snap my fingers to make those guys less insecure and shock therapy won't fix them either.
>>28392426
take more than 2 seconds to think about the situation before resorting to insults faglord.

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>>28392681
Uh, I'm not sure where you misread me, but that's not my problem. I'm used to rrats, I even seek them at times. And no amount of meido activity is going to bring back the 4chan vtubing space to the funkino place it was before, we're all way too mentally ill and bitter for that now.
>Look for spoonfeed
... Newfagchama, archives exist.

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>>28384726
Wew

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>>28392895
>I don't enjoy drama
Yet you're in the drama thread. The only social dynamic added is schizos perceived sexual tension, which none of them have the social IQ to actually understand what's normal and whats flirty.

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>>28392830
What if the problem is my flaccid cock?

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>>28389360
RIP AND TEAR

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>>28392875
why do i never hear mouse talk about her illness when i spent my afternoons watching her? it's always the anons on the catalog that talk about that. really weird. almost like...

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>>28392843
Fact is you aren't me.
You don't know what I've been through and frankly the fact you don't even try to understand is what makes me not want to listen to you or anyone else's bitchy "cruise through life" ass.

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>>28393033
"themselves" means personality, mentality and conduct.

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>>28391368
With that shitty attitude, no wonder people don't have patience for you. Don't tell us to go fuck ourselves. We're already getting that from our SOs thank you very much. Why don't YOU go fuck yourself and maybe that will make you less miserable.

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>>28393033
Just take the little blue pills and you can cum until it's bloody and sore

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>>28392296
>The data is just publicly available statistics
Someone is taking those statistics, making them into scary looking graphs, and leaving them where they know you'll see them. I say this again, shut off YouTube and whatever blogs you're getting this stuff from and go forth into your community and seek out the people who would help you. It could be people at a church, or maybe someone at your job, anyone you can see face to face is more likely to actually help you out than a bunch of strangers on the internet. Why, you ask? Because when you are a part of someone's community, helping you participate makes their community a better place too.

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>>28392717
so what you're describing is the prime vtuber demographic?
we're all like that?

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>>28393086
NTA but if you wanna play that game then I guarantee people way worse off than you have been able to be successful because they didn't spend 24/7 throwing themselves a pity party. Get over yourself.

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>>28392351
>Maybe you are right, maybe you are going to die alone because you were unfortunately born with a psychological pre-disposition to helplessness.
Even if that were the case and there were such a thing, what makes you think that there aren't also other conditions that are correlated with a lowered likelihood of success when it comes to finding a partner?

>If you wouldn't mind, could you either fix your bum-fucked psychological pitty me loud bitching, or at least go to the corner and fade to dust, so the rest of us can overcome our difficulties in peace?
To me it seems like you got told and you're pretty much begging me to leave you alone and stop bullying you with my hurtful facts.

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>>28393019
even reajuus misunderstand sexual tension, it's like 90% of the romance genre. why force that on the people least capable of dealing with it?

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>>28392749
Want more? Here's your peer reviewed study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6082652/
>The most popular individual in our four cities, a 30-year-old woman living in New York, received 1504 messages during the period of observation, equivalent to one message every 30 min, day and night, for the entire month.
>Online dating differs from offline dating in several important ways (25). Because of the high volume of partners and low threshold for sending a message, competition for potential partners’ attention is likely fiercer online than offline. This may increase the extent to which a hierarchy of desirability exists online and reduce people’s willingness to respond to less desirable mates: When there are plenty of fish in the sea, one can afford to throw a few back.
>However, a defining feature of heterosexual online dating is that, in the vast majority of cases, it is men who establish the first contact—more than 80% of first messages are from men in our data set. As a result, there is little information about women’s aspirations contained in first messages. On the other hand, women reply very selectively to the messages they receive from men—their average reply rate is less than 20%

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>>28392027
Dude you think this shit didn't happen back in the day?
They didn't have Tinder, they had the bar.
Just look at Chris chan's horrible fucking mother and suffering she went through, she was a home wrecker, she went from bar to bar and that how she ended up in the fucking hell between her sons (including chris), and not knowing who the father is of her oldest son.

The problem is not that the women have easy access to studs and buds, now its that all the shitty women who are walking red flags, have been neartly and tightly packaged into a dumpster fire called tinder, you just think that most women are there because you have easy access to them, when in reality, its all the home wrecker/hoes who are finding you, you are now unprotected from them.

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>>28393232
>what makes you think that there aren't also other conditions that are correlated with a lowered likelihood of success when it comes to finding a partner?
Not him but having a bitch made attitude like this is going to have some correlation to you not getting laid.

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>>28392862
Try for what? To go all out, chase the dream of a fulfilling life...and wind up one of the guys who kills himself after getting raped in divorce court just for being a man? Trying is for faggots, that's why Ame and Finana got shit on. Here, do some reading and "educate yourself" on why "just improve yourself" is bullshit, and they're both wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_effect

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>>28393157
Anon, it's taken from a book written by the guy who founded OKCupid. He certainly has no incentive to make his platform seem hostile. I have other data too, taken from all sorts of papers. If the data scares you, it's a you-problem. Denying reality and fleeing into comforting hugboxes because you lack the strength to face the real world is not going to help you.

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>>28393217
Nah, I rather say fuck the world and all these shitty fuckers in it. I didn't ask to be born and I certainly don't care if others did anymore. Nothing but a bunch of "I made it why can't you" unsympathetic assholes.

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>>28393400
The alternative is sit in an isolated room and wait to die. I don't care about changing your mind, you wanna waste your life being a mopey little bitch, have fun

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>>28393086
Okay then if you're going be a whiney little bitch then stop bitching about being so fucking miserable while doing absolutely fucking nothing to change your situation. The fact is you have absolutely hope for yourself. Idk who hurt you and quite frankly I don't give a rats ass about your past I'm just pointing out what you could do today and tomorrow.

Give yourself a chance and take or you shots if the bitch says no move on to the next. Women love men who take charge. Not whiney little bitches like you who keep making excuses amd feeling sorry for yourself instead of working or even trying.

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>>28391750

How's that bad? She literally told us to treat ourselves because maybe she likes that we support her?

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>>28393518
Better living life with cheetos, mountain dew and anime girls than facing the world and getting punched in the face until the day you die.

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>>28393068
What the fuck are you talking about, every god damn sotd she brings up her limitations on what she can't do, what she wishes she can do
>oh I love how you do X, I wish I could do it too!
She does shipbaiting gimmick streams where they go on pretend dates while streamin, highlighting what she can't do, constantly reinforcing it to all the streams involved.

Ironmouse used to be about making people laugh, she used to be fun, she used to have a cult of personality for fucks sake that she earned, now she has become such a husk of her former self
Most of her subs are now gift subs from the big content creators who collabed with her, because she is a source of pity and easy dunk virtue signal points by gifting her subs
She has now relied on doing this to make money, instead of making the fun content she used to make

I'm tired of turning into ironmouse stream where everyone else but her is funny
I don't care about any of the past life drama, her actual content got BAD and its exactly what happened to the nijiEN girls as well
Tired of people making the excuse of creative freedom, when all these content creators that have done just that, have become the most creatively bankrupt streamers on the platform

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>>28393232
Hurtful facts? Who to me, or to you?
I am not bothered at all by your self-convictions. I could hit that X button in the corner and be done with it.
There is just something especially pathetic about seeing a man, cry out for help, refuse it, and then whine that a cartoon woman isn't making him happy or that other people are not doing what he wants.

News Flash: There are other humans besides you. Start working together to deal with your problems like the rest of us or get lost. No one wants to hear you bitch about your problems or whine that things aren't going your way if there is nothing that can be done about it. Go find a therapist.

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>>28393510
You deserve no sympathy. The world would be better if you were dead. This is empiric truth

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>>28393400
So you rather stay miserable and complain and whine like an insufferable cunt because trying is for faggots okay then.

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>>28392547
I actually have quite a few female friends. Most of them are married with children at this point though.

I assume the fact that you didn't find a flaw in my reasoning means that you surrender?

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>>28390701
And if you saw it from HER perspective, I don't know how she could get less subtle with the fact she doesn't want to collab with them unless 'necessary'. She repeatedly mentions it might happen just for 'business purposes', says that she needs to maintain a good working relationship even if 'they aren't friends', rules out one-on-one collabs. Never did she even try to half-sell the common excuse that it was for 'good content'. If she went further and shot down all collabs altogether she would be throwing any other holoEN who wants to collab under the bus when people compare them to her, and she's not going to do that - and besides that she can't rule out some sponsorship or event in the future that requires both of them to be on the same channel. It would be making her a liar.

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>>28392715

Happiness isn't free and it isn't paid.
It's something be build and search for endlessly.
>some 14yr old probably.

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>>28393600
That's fine if you think so. Can't really fault others for thinking of you as pathetic, hedonistic scum though

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>>28392662
My world view is based on actual data and conclusions derived from them. If you don't have any data of yourself that contradicts it or an argument of reason then I fear your position is too weak to convince me.

I suggest rather than spending time in the gym and taking a walk, you should think about the given arguments and try to find the right angle to attack them. I would like to be proven wrong, but I don't see your weak arguments that simply assert I'm wrong without providing anything to back it up as convincing.

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>>28393658
The flaw in your reasoning is that you're basing your view on relationships on data as opposed to living your own experience. I'll surrender to you earning the right to live as a worthless, whiny parasite, sure

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>>28392678
>This is not a rabbit becoming a coyote.
And that's where you're wrong. The difference between Kevin and Chad is substantial.

You might as well deny IQ, height, etc. at that point. There are essential qualities that you can't change about yourself.

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>>28384726
based, ame sacrificed herself for our own good

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>>28393656
Completely blaming the individual is just a massive cope to avoid acknowledging that people exist within society, not a vacuum, and that what's ultimately most important are immutable things like gender, genetics and external circumstances. Chubas who ignore this because they adhere to the egotistical "I made myself" philosophy get rightfully shit on for not thinking about or realizing how many circumstantial factors outside their control actually contributed to their success.

As a point of fact, you didn't even bring yourself into existence.

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>>28384726
BYE FELICIA !
Bye bitch !

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>>28393851
Not him, but anecdotal evidence (i.e. "your own experience") has never been accepted as a legitimate substitute for hard data in any proper argument for a phenomenon, why should that suddenly stop for this one?

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>>28393928
so in your mind, there's no way to move about the social hierarchy? It's all preordained and innate? This is ridiculous

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>>28393808
You don't want to be proven wrong. You want to post about data from fucking dating apps and not your own experience, and then you want people to just feel sorry for you and indulge in your worthless mopefest.

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>>28393998
His data is literally only about number of responses on tinder. If he were to approach a woman in real life, where would that data come into play?

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>>28394004
For some people it's possible. For some people it isn't. The point is that a person's own will doesn't define these possibilities. Those possibilities are predefined the moment they're born.

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>>28393808
I don't see any given arguments just some rambly dumbass who thinks he's got something worthwhile to say because he's wallowing in his own warped subjective beliefs.
I want you to know that the book your graph is from, Dataclysm, actually argues the opposite points you're making. Again, your view of things is rotten. Stop dwelling on graphs and meet some real humans.

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>>28394090
I disagree to a point. There is probably a limit for each individual, but can you say you've reached that limit without any effort to expand past it? I don't think so

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>>28392763
Anon, I would be way too ashamed of myself to claim to be a biologist after having made a fool of myself by not understanding the very basis of my field. I will shed a tear for your teachers and hope that you at least haven't graduated yet.

>I'm not gonna teach you why every "smart" word you are using is wrong, but I will tell you.
I wouldn't go into detail either; it's only going to provide me with ammunition.

>There are women who love niggers. You think niggers are beautiful creatures? You think yourself below a nigger?
Do you think a nigger can become a white person if he tries really hard? And I'm fairly certain you will find a few people who for all intents and purposes classify as nigger who will be rated much more attractive than you and me both by the average woman. You will probably also find some that are taller, smarter, and whatever. Whether they are common is a different question, but at an individual level I'd be willing to take the bet.

>No point in doing that, you are arguing in bad faith. You cannot even entertain the idea that you may be wrong.
If I were entirely convinced that my position is truthful I wouldn't be having the debate.

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>>28393472
>Anon, it's taken from a book written by the guy who founded OKCupid. He certainly has no incentive to make his platform seem hostile.
When your product is a dating app, you want to have people go on as many dates as possible because the moment they go off and get hitched with someone you'll stop making money off them. So no, I don't think this guy has an interest in actually helping you find someone. What does he care?
>Denying reality and fleeing into comforting hugboxes because you lack the strength to face the real world is not going to help you.
But that's exactly what you're doing when you use these statistics to shield yourself from trying to do anything about your problems.

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>>28393998
NTA but every piece of data tells a story that is not self evident.
>>28394067
Is right, this is a self-selected group. Most well-adjusted women in fact do not use tinder for hookups. They have no need to since all around her men are hitting on her.
Did you really expect people looking for one-night stands not to be shallow?

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>>28393360
>Not him but having a bitch made attitude like this is going to have some correlation to you not getting laid.
I completely agree; but that does not mean that there aren't also other reasons and if they don't apply to me that they don't apply to others.

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>>28394067
Pure probability? The dating app trends can give you a pretty good idea of the type of man who tends to be successful in dating, and also the type of man who isn't. If you can find a study where the sample population came from your city, and that study said that men of this particular makeup and personality have very little success in the dating market, that would give you a very realistic approximation of your chances, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>walls of text
didn't read

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>>28393808
This is what happens when the "smart kid" in highschool doesn't get anyone to go to prom with and gets recommended Jordan Peterson. As someone who used to be that guy, one day you will learn that not everything in the world can neatly be put into "data" and framing your entire worldview on nothing but statistic is assuming that you would even have the capacity to know all the factors causing them to happen. Because ultimately you interpret your data points with your own skewed view of the world like the rest of us, you just think that your shit doesn't stink for some reason.

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>>28389352
>>28389742
>>28390369
Nyanfag... If it makes you feel better, just know that there's always a person worse off, and if they're doing fine, then you'll be okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394130
>without any effort
Anon, people are always trying their best. That's the point. People who wind up in misery didn't just spend their lives wallowing in it. They arrived at it. And because a man's social mobility is far more restricted than a woman's due to him having no inherent biological value, sometimes the best thing a guy can do really is just cope.