/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>talent first management
I think you all know what she meant with this.

[Anonymous No.]

I actually don't it sounds like gibberish to me.

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>>28383700
Lol what a two-faced bitch.

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>>28383700
>Believe
>Kson words

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>>28383700
Meant she gets to sucks as much dick as she wants OP. Give me one culture where giving woman power and freedom amounted to anything.

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>>28383772
Coco made no secret that management made life difficult for her in her zatsudans.

[Anonymous No.]

That she’ll say anything for money?

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>>28383807
you can't lol

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>>28383807
Feminism.

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>>28383700
>FAMILY
she's not only jabbing at management here...

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>>28383700

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>>28383807
Did she bring in Nijisanji's former COO to suck his dick?

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>>28383700
Did no one in VShojo have enough experience with typography to tell her that the font she was using looked horrible? It doesn't even give a retro vibe, just ugly.
(Unless that was her intention to leave some sort of lasting impression)

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>>28383833
Ah.. excuse my autism.

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>>28383860
>>28383877
>>28383951
My based sonvubitches

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>>28384012
her computer is messed up, the entire stream was improvised complete with donated sounds that she was imitating
it was great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
Hololive management keeps shutting down the Holos' own projects, this hook is how Vshojo got her.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/_Silvervale_/status/1548526454782267393

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>>28383700
>FAMILY
Being family with VShoujo is the equivalent of being family with a bunch of meth addicts.

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>>28384255
This but unironically since I bet most of them at least do coke on the regular.

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>>28383700
With all that emphasis on FAMILY you'd think she's meme-ing Vin Diesel

Or is she admitting that Hololive wasn't a family to her?

[Anonymous No.]

>barely knows them
>FAMILY
LMAO

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>>28384355
Meth is for poor people.
They're at least classy enough for heroin.

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>>28384255
kek truth

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>>28384249
https://twitter.com/RentoidLiber/status/1548533924078534658?s=20&t=hiNai0oc7axor7YMihqA-A
Haha.

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>>28384364
A real family says taiwan with you

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>>28384364
She is essentially spitting in the face of the company that helped jump start her career in streaming not to mention anyone who is in it.
No wonder Kanata moved out.

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Bunch of faggots sperging on kson because nobody worth a shit in hololive EN is streaming or being talked about by anybody worth a shit either seethe holokeks

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>>28384527
In fact no, a real family pretends Pro China, suck all the chinese money, and have shabushabu together.

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>>28383700
Despite the fact that cover goes out of their way to harass talent (Coco and Mel), have an incompetent management that basically makes Amelia the manager of EN, and is now throwing all of you faggots under the bus for the male vtuber market that nijisanji has a death grip on. And you guys still defend cover. You guys are such fucking idiots. defending a shit jap company run by retards and by the looks of this thread, for retards. Seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384549
>voices in my head

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>>28384492
oof

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>>28384255
Kek how many months untill they stab each other back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384691
> t.Vshitshow cuckold

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>>28384549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L8eoqaZ6WU

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>>28384690
We need more like you around. These illogicals fucks will spin your words to suit their narrative. Chuds loves the corporations though.

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>>28384964
I don't love corporations, I just hate vshojo.

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>>28384830
Says the Holokek faggot who starts sperging out whenever girls mention males in streams kek

Fuck you and cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384690
>anon frothing
>anon telling others to seethe after going on a rant
hehe, funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384690
Still the biggest and most popular Vtuber company, with the highest retention rate despite having more than 50+ talents. Cope and fucking seethe you asshat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385192
aw yeah, look at that seethe right there. anon lost like a little bitch boy

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385192
>Fuck you
>and cope
These cucks are too much

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385265
There goes the faggots deflecting from the truth as I predicted minutes ago kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384255
Rent free

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>>28385321
For now, only a matter of time before more and more talent gets tired of retarded managers like omega who are only competent at writing failed creative writing drafts pulled out of DeviantArt

[Anonymous No.]

unless kson has been fucking around with the vshojo members for years, her whole FAMILY spiel comes off even more fake than the manufactured family hololive pushes on gen introductions
also... little did Kanata mean to her I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385594
Has she even interacted with any vshojos outside Melody?

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>>28385565
Ah yes, 2 more weeks, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
Her debut can be summarised as this:
TOTALEN KRIEG AGAINST COVER CORP

[Anonymous No.]

wtf does she even mean by family she barely knows these people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385594
>still indie btw
You still expect truth from that mouth?

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>>28385770
More like a week before nazuna overtakes all of hololive lol

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>>28385896
She fucked Melody. That's family for ya

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>>28385981
>GFE is creepy unless we're the ones doing it

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>>28386099
Cuckoldry is okay if we do it

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>>28383700
I don't know why people are surprised she's having a dig at cover it was pretty clear to me she left with a decent grudge against the company

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>>28385981
>Less viewers than HoloID debut
Yeah no

[Anonymous No.]

Wonder how long until they force her to disavow public enemy number #1.

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>>28384549
Meds

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>>28386061
Sweet home Georgia? Close enough.

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>>28386934
She seems to have no problem disavowing anyone so long as the money is good.

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>>28383700
Good rule of thumb is that unless you've known someone and been close to said person for longer than a year, never trust anyone who throws around the word "family".
Anyone here who's worked in a corporate environment knows exactly what i'm talking about.

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>>28389059
Family either means 'the family only' or 'if you don't do what management wants you're an outsider'

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>>28385981
>not even trending on JP twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>pros
>tech support
>asking on her twitter about an orange light on her router.
lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385565
>only a matter of time before more and more talent gets tired of retarded managers
You fuckers have been saying this for more than two years now.

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>>28390143
Seeing others make that leap first is often encouraging to those less sure of themselves (this is not exclusive to vtubing, or are you really that much of a shut-in you don't notice this is how people operate all the time?). Having Covers' former star chuubas switch to VShojo (a foreign company, no less) may inspire others to feel ok about doing it.

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>>28390322
two more weeks

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>>28383700
Couldn't watch the stream, so, does she have a hand on managing the Japanese branch herself now like she always wanted to do or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28390619
she's free to do what she wants but she also wants to do stuff with other people (her choice)

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>>28383700
I just assumed it meant not shoving a gag in her mouth and telling her to get shit on. Honestly can't blame her. Bureaucracies don't always have the best interests of an individual at heart, and a looser structure suits more independently minded people.

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>>28390789
Coco said many, many times in zatsudans that management was being difficult for her.

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>>28390709
I guess that's good enough.

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>>28384492
>linking your own tweets
>unapologetic siscon
>chumpedo
>a huge faggot
Damn. This guy sure does seem like a real winner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389680
It's also for the naive to believe it and made to feel special and included.
The second you leave that company, they wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if you died tomorrow.

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>>28389059
Good thing Mel and Kson have been close since 2020 then.

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>>28391326
And the rest of VShojo?
Look, i'm not begrudging her. It's a good business move because she's going to make a lot more money out of this deal.
But let's not pretend this isn't mostly a business deal.

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Just a word of warning bros, don't ever take a job where the interviewers describes the work place as a family.

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>>28392003
I think that's most corporate workplaces nowadays, sadly.
And it usually always has the same results.

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>>28392316
If you stand your ground and make it clear that this is all strictly business, then it's all good. They might use platitudes but as long as you're aware that they don't care about you, you have the upper hand.

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>>28383700
It means there will be yabs galore in the first two months and then the branch will be closed.

[Anonymous No.]

>what does talent first mean?
It means

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385896
Interactions on Twitter = family to western women

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>>28383700
Like it or not she's making power moves in the industry that will leave both Hololive and Nijisanji in shambles due to the recent graduation exoduses.

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>>28383807
Touch grass

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>>28384690
>Mel
retarded newfag. they fired the manager when they found out, they just didn't press charges which is what mel had to do on her own.

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>>28383860
This isn't the own you think it is.

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>>28384255
Oddly specific projection you've got there, friendo. Are you sure forced "family" shit in your precious corporations is any better?

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>>28384549
>he doesn't know
Newfags PLEASE fucking leave. Kson has been VTubing since 2016 and has been a pioneer with steady viewership since.

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>>28383700
So she is just a dumb traitor whore.

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>>28384690
Not the own you think it is. Harassment is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. Don't be surprised when Kson's incline is the end result of this.
>>28385321
VShojo is 100%

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>>28383833
Considering that hee content became shit after she left they may have had a point.

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>>28385981
It's happening too. Broke debut records for any Japanese VTuber in Hololive and was the top trending topic in Virtual YouTubers in Japan on Twitter. She's going to be VShojo's Salome with the dedicated fanbase.

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>>28386099
Your first cope was beliving Hololive had GFE after they fired their only GFE talent and VShojo has way more GFE than Hololive ever had.

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>>28385504
>>28395714
not him, and not defending corpos either, but vshojo already has a history of being retarded

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>>28383833
Considering she completely ruined an entire branch they were probably right to crack down on her.

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>>28383700
Why is her model so bad. Its borderline unwatchable with how blurry she is.

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>>28396013
The one group that actually puts in work for its talents is far from being historically retarded and even if they made mistakes in the past, what does that tell you about what Hololive and Nijisanji are now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396019
eat shit and cope CNfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396109
Better than anything Hololive or Nijisanji came out with in their existence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396109
her pc is having issues. her actual l2d is one of the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396019
OK Zhang

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>>28395276
Wrong newfag, they only fired her when they had their hand forced because they kept brushing it under the rug beforehand.

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>>28395928
There are easier ways to says that you don't watch Hololive.

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>>28396239
cope

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>>28396392
Pippa Pipkin's model singlehandedly mogs the entirety of both Hololive and Nijisanji.

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>>28396019
>she completely ruined an entire branch
Chinese nationalists ruined the branch. Attacking someone else only harmed their own countrymen. I feel for the Chinese fans, and the talents who were caught up in it, but Coco did nothing wrong, and ultimately the bad actor were the online nationalists.

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>>28396326
>they only fired her
>esl
opinion discarded

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>>28396469
Doesn't change the fact that Ksons model looked terrible in that stream anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28395276
>they fired the manager
source?

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>>28396628
ok its 6 AM alright

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>>28396183
>>28396183
I've only somewhat kept up with vshojo after the nuxtaku fall out, but from what I gather, most of their content has just strictly gotten worse.
>zentreya
New model is bad + mental breakdowns
>veibae
BF shit and drama with other streamers
>ironmouse
her content has gotten so much worse, she's no longer an interesting entertainer, she is the vtuber equivalent of jimmy kimmel, in every way, an accessory to someone else
>silvervale
Still has nothing really interesting going on for her besides mmo streams
>hime
Doesn't fucking stream because it's just a joke
>froot
Still bland + terminally online virtue posting despite her 4chan past
>melody
Has long since given up on making good content, she has been phoning it in for awhile
>kson
Same as melody
>nyanners
I don't think anyone actually gives a shit about her anymore, all the clip channels that used to cover her stopped because her vids don't get views like they used to after the BF shit

Nazuna is the only one I am particularly interested in watching now, what she is capable of is way more interesting than any of the vshojo girls

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>>28396239
>Better than anything Hololive or Nijisanji came out with in their existence.
Anon, that guy made like 10 3D model for Holos including Coco

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>>28383700
>I'm a rich indie vtuber who has made tons of connections over the last like 10 years I've been active on the internet and can do literally whatever I want because I am my own boss and everyone likes me
>I should force myself into some random company, that's the only way I can possibly be free!
She's talked about creative freedom for over a year now and even still I have no idea what the hell she is talking about if this is the train of thought she really went through.

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>>28397061
None of that reflects on the corporate retardation Hololive and Nijisanji has. I'm not reading any of the rest of your chudbabble.

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>>28397061
>zentreya
>mental breakdowns
What a surprise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28397214
HRT causes/strengthens mental instability
many such cases!

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>>28397146
It isn't that hard, man. She wants the backing of a group without them owning her.

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>>28397151
Stop bringing up corpos, I'm an indie guy, which is specifically why I dislike vshojo, they have done nothing but harm the indie community since their inception

What I was referring to is the fact that none of the vshojo girls content got better after they joined vshojo, it's only been worse

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>>28390846
She also said that she knows where they're coming from so she's fine with it. In what company does management approve whatever comes to your mind? She does not want to deal with management anymore which is why she goes indie henceforth "creative difference".

I mean, Marine stuck around and managed to push through her swimsuits to be approved, she worked with management on the limit that can be shown for that. Koyori also basically took over Asacoco's segment. Management are not enemy, they're someone for you to work with and around.

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>>28397146
In case you haven't noticed, she's charismatic and easily makes connections, but she's not exactly the brightest bulb in the chandelier.
Her love for reddit "humor" is perfect evidence.

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>>28397578
You're right but you have to admit that Coco's situation was way way different thanks to the zhangs. She basically was put in a straitjacket for her "own good," but that meant the death of her ability to stream, which is what she was there for in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

but will rushia have the freedom to dox her mates?

[Anonymous No.]

>ITT mald zhangs

[Anonymous No.]

>>28397745
Most of them doxxed themselves already, which is probably why they had no problem hiring her.

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>>28397555
They advocate for the empowerment of indies and VShojo is a group of indies under the same tech and legal name, why are you seething so hard at the best of the best regarding indies?

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>>28397786
you don't have to be Chinese to disagree with the actions she's been doing recently. Especially since it makes her seem kinda rude and dumb.

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>>28397911
You're just mad she's truly living a libertarian lifestyle free of any influence whatsoever. She would have been revered so hard on this place 10 years ago. Tourists like you wouldn't keep up with this level of based.

[Anonymous No.]

amemiya nazuna chan has a bright future waiting for her, her past entity was the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28397967
>free of any influence
>instantly gets a funko pop and a shitty slutwear costume after joining vshojo

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>>28397827
>they advocate for the empowerment of indies
Uhuh, that's why they added zero new indies to their line up since their inception, their applications were completely thrown in the trash, while they only nepotism hired kson and rushia, already established former corpo vtubers, all while they intentionally hid phishing scams from the public by someone using vshojo's name?

They haven't done a damn thing to protect, uplift or benefit the indie community besides creating a clique and keeping everyone else down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396326
First of all you're thinking of Rushia and second, the manager that harrassed Mel was a man.

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>>28398229
You don't get it, you don't even try to understand or inform yourself, you just make assumptions, swimsuit outfit was in plans since January, but i get it, the audacity to reveal it in summer, preposterous!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
she charged $5 million for that kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>28397798
Dealing with suicide baiting and getting doxxed from 1 person is efficient. It wraps up multiple problems into 1 easy package.

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>>28399324
Anon, It was 10gorillions

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>>28398426
Don't forget said indies were either already in the top % of twitch chuubas or nepotism hires.

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>>28383700
"Talent first" aka i get to be an even lazier bitch and whore myself out completely, such empowerment

[Anonymous No.]

>>28398229
Its not funko pop. Funko Pop still have more prestige. Its more of funko pop lookalike which from their lineup, I can see alot of youtubers are also there.

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>>28383700
>Talent first managements
That's the second or third time I've heard this phrase being used from someone going to VShojo. Sounds like a corporate mantra that is used to shit on competitors.
I think those VShojo faggots are getting too cocky. They think they can leech on Holo/Niji then leave and be smug about it? No fucking way!

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>>28397730
The thing about Hololive is that, she can just be there and she will still be relevant. Yes, she may become the accessory to Gen 4 in general, but she will still be very much relevant. Just do meme review once-a-week or twice-a-week, maybe release a song cover, or maybe take more dance practice so she can be better at 3D concert. I can take the thing about "she left because she do not want to bother others with her situation" alot more than "she left because she get bullied" especially when everyone else talked about trying to get her to stay and making special arrangement for her. I can swallow the story that she don't want to because her pride will not be able to take it.

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>>28383833
Her entire schtick is being as much as a whore as possible. Of course management in holo intervened, the fuck? People act like she was above the standards we hold every other girl to because of the reddit dragon. But truth is she's a whore. That's it.

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>>28399481
She's building gunpla and you're here seething.

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>>28399799
Anon, she want to revolutionize the entire vtuber industry. Everyone self-manages and fight for themselves. Free from rules of mortal worlds

Or at least that's her shtick. She really likes her persona as rulebreaker and nothing is more rulebreaker than claiming as indie, while attached to a corpo.

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>>28399799
Vshojo is a talent agency. Their chuubas arent employees, theyre business partners. Their association is contractual, their vtubers are, tehnically, independent - as in, they own their own character/chan els/avatars/etc. Its why you dont see Syd getting fired for never streaming, or Nyan or Vei getting chewed out for not streaming very much: theyre not employees. They cant make them do anything, theyre simply there to help them when they do stream.

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>>28400734
Which is also why Vshojo are not invested in any single streamers. They don't even take income from streaming like superchat and other stuffs since they're not really paying for the models or any stream expenses too. They just take their cuts when they got merch deals or something like that.

For Kson, I can believe its "no Cons" at least for her. For Nazuna, this deal is probably more of "its better than starting from literal 0 while still hounded by antis"

[Anonymous No.]

>>28400398
Somebody post the Senator Coco speech. I forgot to save it.

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>>28383700
>He's still mad about her joining
Let it go, Zhang

[Anonymous No.]

>>28401356
>while still hounded by antis
All of the antis that tried shit in her debut stream got banned right away. Mods on Twitch are a godsend that will only protect her further. She has absolutely no cons as well.

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>>28401450
only literal bugmen like vshojo so don't throw stones in a glass house

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>>28383700
>Cannot exist without being a passive-aggressive backstabber
It's crazy how well she fits in her new company
I'm happy for her

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>>28401438
We are Vtubers without corporation.
Our purpose defined by the era we live in.
We will sometimes have to lose some IP's rights
If listeners demand it, we will be Idol , gamer or whore.

And yes, We may all be headed straight to hell
But what better place for us than this?
It's our only home. Our heaven and our hell

This is VshojoJP

[Anonymous No.]

>>28401750
edgy, and cringe to that

[Anonymous No.]

watching tiktoks isnt a talent lmao

[Anonymous No.]

You guys are still shitting yourselfs? its been two weeks since the announcement

[Anonymous No.]

>>28402062
The debuts happened. Nazuna ended up being the top trend in Japan shortly after. Must suck living in denial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28402115
>Nazuna ended up being the top trend in Japan shortly after
No need to lie.

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>>28401521
That's why she's willing to abandon her Mikeneko's account.... that is literally just created few months ago complete with (donated) vtuber model debut.

The cons is that she will be using Twitch though, and she don't have gen-mates to bounce off to give a break from her usual material.

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>>28402115
Nazuna is on 8.5k tweets from my side. The new HoloGra gains that same amount in like 2 hours.

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>>28389059
Reminds me of how the WWE refers to itself as a family behind the scenes, yet has 0 problem throwing people out for petty business reasons

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>>28397061
I wonder how many of them starting slacking after that multimillion dollar investment because they're now guaranteed to make bank no matter what. lol

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>>28389059
And here I thought she's supposed to know.... Been working in actual corpo for 1 and half year. Same with her vagueposting after Kanata's moving announcement stream.

Its kinda taking me out of the immersion when she's throwing the word family or "Everyone let's have fun" to distract from the consequences of her own decision.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28397720
She seems to break those connections as easily as she can make them.

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>>28401750
Coco = The Boss
Kson = Venom Boss
Nasuna = Ocelet
VshojoJP = The Outer Heaven

Nice job anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28402311
That anon is just coping, Nazuna was not even trending on JP twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28402512
Well, if we're to believe that they're really not a corporation the talents would get exactly 0 of that money.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the Creative Freedom she's trying to get during her days in Cover, gunpla building?
Ever since she went indie I only see her do gunpla and do regular chatting stream. Nothing of value.

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>>28402981
You can't seriously believe the early members of vshojo don't have equity in the company, right?

The funny part is that this being the case under the surface just means that the moment early members start feeling like their money is at risk, they'll drop the talent freedom line as fast as possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>28403143
Don't forget ARK and react streams on twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28403143
She can do bath-tub stream now as kson (Indie) @ Vshojo instead of just kson. Vtuber doing bath-tub stream, totally rule-breaking!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28403604
Matsuri, Haachama and Gura have all done bathtubs streams.
So no, what else she got?

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>>28397827
>They advocate for the empowerment of indies and VShojo is a group of indies under the same tech and legal name, why are you seething so hard at the best of the best regarding indies?
Yeah alright, I'm convinced. There are paid vshojo shills on this board. I don't believe anyone would write this corpo speech bullshit with a straight face after the only thing Vshojo did for indies was dox them and then throw their applications in the trash.
Every single fucking member of vshojo is either a nepotism hire or was fucking huge when they got hired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384690
post the cover.txt

[Anonymous No.]

>>28404079
nuxoid detected

[Anonymous No.]

>>28394263
Damn that's a lot of talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
It means that as soon as any troubles arise talent is gonna be the first to deal with it while management is counting money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28403143
Creative freedom also includes shilling merch as much as humanly possible since it's the only way for the company to make money. By the way does talent freedom include the freedom to not sell merch at all?

[Anonymous No.]

Creative freedom means coping as much as the other company as much as possible while bringing nothing worthwhile to the table

[Anonymous No.]

Creative freedom means whoring out more than actual prostitutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383833
>wdym I can't talk about drug use or show kanata necking herself on stream
>muh freedoms ree

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383833
They might have had a point

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384829
>month
with notrushia there that will happen in weeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>28395714
I don't remember Holos pushes le toretto's catchphrase as a slogan At least not so blatantly like Kekson is doing

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking when will vtuber companies hire me for sex first management

[Anonymous No.]

I came in this thread looking for some semblance of a discussion

I only got literal ESL rambling seething and screeching

Thanks I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384690
Cover intern need a raise anon. Gove them a chance to post here. Think about their family.

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>>28411594
Your fault for even looking for discussion in what's clearly bait thread.

At least go to r/virtualyoutuber

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>>28400360
you forgot the meme reviews!

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>>28383833
>Made a point to fight management whenever possible, always made a big deal about it
>Whenever she got bored of doing a project and stopped, it was managements fault
>After she's freed from management, doesn't do any projects that are nearly as interesting, doesn't bring back any of her abandoned projects
>Claims to love freedom. Immediately runs to be under the boot of the next corporation that will take her.

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>>28411594
>Deleted

Seethe EOP

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>>28408896
>weeks
lmao positive thinker

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>>28385706
Mouse, and she met a bunch of them at AX.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28414647
>what is an archived thread

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>>28384249
Sound like german propaganda in the 30s

[Anonymous No.]

Guys bad news, 10 hours after the debut akirose, haachama, roboco, polka, laplus and holostars are still following vshojo on twitter.

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>>28417507
Why shouldn't they?
Schizos /here/ aside, I doubt Hololive carry any sort of major grudge against VShojo (or care that much about them, for that matter). Hololive and Niji have much longer history with, and competing against each other, yet both companies are still in okay terms. Why should it be different between Hololive and VShojo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383833
What people don't realize is that Coco was a vwhorejo type from the start. Cover was the only thing keeping her in check. In a way the bugmen unhooked her shackles.

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>>28384549
schizo AND newfag. a brutal combination.

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>>28384249
So what does vshojo do for them exactly? Do they just do the networking for them and take a cut of their money?

[Anonymous No.]

>Wait, is that a MALE in my heckin' VTuber collab? *THROWS MONITOR* God I fucking hate MALES! Fuck MALES, fuck BFE, heil GFE, and heil Yuribait!
> Wait, mentioning a MALE on my heckin GFE KINO COMFY Minecraft stream?!! *PUNCHES monitor* who these WHORES think i am?!! i just donated FUCKING 100$ this YEAR!
> Wait, this WHORE didn't stream today... *smashes keyboard* DOESN'T she have ANY FEELINGS? SHE'S my VIRTUAL GIRLFRIEND! NOW I'M FUCKING LONELY

[Anonymous No.]

>>28418219
The merch and event stuff

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>None of you watch Vshojo you are just holoantis with acres of rent free space in your head
>You are either chinese, women, or twitter user and have never read a book in your life
>Nothing you say will ever have any value or relevance you are in the grips of ideology
>Despite your nonsense being funded and pushed by an international clique no one will actually care to watch it, proved by Rushia being the only popular thing in Vshojo currently

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384249
>Be free
>Only if you're already a big vtuber though lol see our auditions section

[Anonymous No.]

>>28414416
Management is what makes or breaks a vtuber. Granted Cover's management is mostly retarded but Coco's whole character was boasting about going against the grain and she was aware it wasn't sustainable. Add to this the absolute retardation when it came to dealing with chinks and you have someone who justifiably hates the company that's mismanaging her. It's not hard to lose all motivation in these conditions. This is most likely the reason why she's buying the "talent freedom" marketing shit wholesale without realizing her absolutely unique circumstances.

Talent freedom is pointless for actual indies who are struggling to survive, what they need is control, management, people who know how to make a star out of them, how to direct them, tell them what deals to take and broker those deals for them, give them analytics and strategy, get collabs, prevent them from being stupid. Kson doesn't need any of that anymore, she already has all the benefits while being fully free. What she wants isn't creative freedom but a place to belong, a company.

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Kson's content was better when working under tight constraints as Coco. She is just boring on her own. Vshojo might be good for her eventually but she doesn't have the same kind of appeal as being the vulgar one when literally everyone in the company is a whore.

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>>28415612
Something no one reads

Fat retard

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>>28418417
Did she really peak at 53k? That's less than nijiguys that just debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

more like talent retirement home

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>>28383700
Reminder that "talent freedom" is a joke in itself and is just being used to deflect management from talent getting away with yabs and other controversial shit.

https://twitter.com/_Silvervale_/status/1548526454782267393

>Be free.
Sell your soul to Gunrun and Mowtendoo.
>Make the content you want to make.
More like be stuck with group collabs and constant react streams.
>Have fun.
Like other agencies weren't allowing that.
>Make friends with whoever you want.
Until you phase out your previous group for vshojo approved orbiters and anitubers.
>Play whatever you want.
kson could play ARK all year long, she didn't need them.
>Build your community and keep it, forever.
Until you menhera due to antis and vshojo can't deal with the bugs.
>TALENT FREEDOM, NOW AND FOREVER! LETS GO!!!
Talent freedom until the venture capitalists who threw $15 mil at them start yelling the orders.

[Anonymous No.]

2 weeks of seething holy shit holobronies! Lets get to 3!

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>>28383700
Man that debut looks sloppy. Typical vshojo am I right?

>FAMILY
I feel bad for her room mate. Thrown out the house so she could play with veibae and NotRushia.

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>>28419253
and she was raided too

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>>28419652
When are they signing up Lulu so the nijis can get worked up too?

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>>28418417
unironically I can see Flare laughing at this

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>>28419405
More like nuclear waste grounds for unwanted vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28419812
Lulu is at a pretty good place right now and hopefully isn't stupid enough to sign up with another company now that she has actual freedom to go at her own pace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28385896
She's been good friends with them for a while, in fact Vshojo + their circle (trash taste) has helped her setting up some shit before.

Not like the schizos here would even know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28420069
Well people said the same for kson and she fell for the melody clique meme regardless. The fact they signed a former niji exec does make me wonder if they'll put feelers out to her.

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>>28419793
>and she was raided too
Jesus wept

[Anonymous No.]

>>28418417
Nazuna probably made more money out of her stream than Pekora lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>28420357
ogey

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>>28396529
I agree on the subject that the real chink fans (I'd include Yoghurt and Spade) deserved none of this but that statement you just gave was peak apologist behavior, Jesus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383833
>No you can't show your gonorrhea-infested vagina on stream
> REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>28421194
Ogey artifag

[Anonymous No.]

>>28420069
> this guy lack critical information

[Anonymous No.]

>>28420238
>people said the same for kson
Kson has absolutely nothing going on for her aside from vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28421085
It's also true. Nationalism is a fucking cancer everywhere. Chinese is just one flavor of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28419561
Jesus that looks exactly like a pyramid scheme shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>28395108
lol imagine being Captain Save A Ho in current year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384964
>chuds
Reddit's that way bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383833
>Cover sides with her and kills off a whole branch for her
>Complains about being on a tighter leesh
>Was still the most gratuitously vulgar holo by a country mile
Cover, China and Coco were all pretty shitty, but in defence of Cover, it feels like they were keeping her from going full on vshojo and twitch whore with her content, because she was already skirting the line in Hololive. And when she left and became an indie again you could have said she was an honorary vshojo and I would have believed you.

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>>28429253
>MUUUUH WHOLE BRAAAAAAAAAANCH
so easy to spot you guys lol

[Anonymous No.]

>Holo won't let you collab with anyone but themselves
>meanwhile in reality

[Anonymous No.]

>>28429425
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST STATE A MATTER OF FACT
Call me a chink, bug, ccp freak if you want. If you want to be more accurate you could call me a nigger. None of that changes facts, though.

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>>28383833
They were clearly right to considering her content went to shit when she became fully independent.

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When projects or x/y/z/ gets shot down we only hear one side of the story, I'm not being a bootlicker but I wouldn't trust most of the Holo members to do risk control or think of the bigger picture when it comes to certain things, Like the RUST streamer server for example, Lap and Towa wanted to play it but management NG'd it, a week later Nijisanji and VSPO apologize because someone said something and someone laughed with it, If a Holo member was the person laughing it would be a fucking massive fire because the more popular the more antis.

Are the suits upstairs too tight or too scared? Yeah they probably are but it doesn't take much to get a fucking hate train riding on Holo, e.g BL in the fridge, Lamy cleaner joke, Suisei telling anti's to kill themselves for upsetting Towa, You get the picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
based coco shitting on holotrash

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>>28429253
>>28429669
>it feels like they were keeping her from going full on vshojo and twitch whore with her content
Just change twich to NicoNico, whore content has always been before and after coco.
Even the Japanese have a name equivalent to "twich whore" for holo members.
Here is a fact

[Anonymous No.]

>>28397333
Is zen a Troon or I'd assume since the text to speech

[Anonymous No.]

Held at gun point to say that to hide the fact of the many mismanagement that vshojo has done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
It means
>i'm under an NDA and everything I've said about hololive is a lie
So tatsus shill a liar one way or the other. She belongs in vshojo.

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>>28430220
Cover is careless when it comes to the situations they never experienced but careful with those they have. Hololive faces much dire consequences for everything they do than all the other streamers. There's a point where talent safety has to be considered at every step over everything else, even if it comes from the point of a company protecting their assets. We also assume so much about how talents feel about certain things. Just look at Holocaust's consequences. Or lack of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28432962
nothing says "talent safety" like blaming the talent for everything and painting them as some sort of villain

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>>28432962
>Hololive faces much dire consequences for everything they do than all the other streamers.
Exactly that's why they're scared or tend to shoot things down because because they don't want to venture into the unknown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28433078
When did they do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28430220
>Suisei telling anti's to kill themselves for upsetting Towa
This never happened. What the hell are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28419652
Hololive is a black company

[Anonymous No.]

>>28433851
Watch streams before you fucking speak to me you imbecile.
Yes it did happen.

[Anonymous No.]

Kson is the Dan Price of VTubing. Claims to have everything for both the people and and supporters in a faux generous demeanor, in reality is loaded with cash and could care less about their grift behind the scenes, are irredeemable human beings outside it all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28433946
...so it never happened.
If you've had enough suffering from schizophrenia you can just go ahead and take a cyanide pill, nobody but your imaginary friends will miss you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28434917
I'm not going to spoonfeed your lazy ass, go do your own research you oxygen thief.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
WOW she's a good fit for vshojo, congrats to her

[Anonymous No.]

>>28434312
>I don't see it and talk out of my ass.
Most of the anons in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>28397827
Look at him, he's marketing for zero compensation

[Anonymous No.]

>>28435097
>do your own research!
>I'm not going to spoonfeed you!
Classic shitposter. The burden of proof isn't on me, I don't have to believe you, give me reasons to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28436883
I don't need to convince you, I've seen it with my own eyes.
Couldn't give a toss what some nonce says otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
>family

reminder that any job that says they're a family expects you to do shit for free

[Anonymous No.]

>>28397786
Why are you using a hololive talent to defend a hololive anti like coco?

[Anonymous No.]

>talent FREEDOM
>Still just playing ark, minecraft and doing meme reviews
She gave up being the most superchatted person on youtube for this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
baaased

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
she nnuts

[Anonymous No.]

hololive made her rich and famous and now she's being petty about it.
charming

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383772
Cover got too big so they hired 50-year old bugmen in suits to run the company, which is what happens with every company.

[Anonymous No.]

why does her model look so blurry

[Anonymous No.]

F
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>>28438673
Talent freedom means she can ask someone for a collab and if they say yes then they set a date. No middle man required. She talked about setting up a collab with Mel in Japan during her debut last night where they'll build Gunpla together and Mel accepted on the spot so you know it's going to happen instead of hoping and praying that a manager is going to be okay with it.

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>>28449159
holos can do that with their RM just look Mori
you need better cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>28395662
twitterfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>28449472
So when Mori and Ironmouse first wanted to collab it took 3 months to happen because a goblin told them to wait and it wasn't because of management?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28449159
>and Mel accepted on the spot
So it didn't need to go through a manager even though you imply that in Hololive it has to? Weird self-own but okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28457356
I meant the actual relevant Mel, Projekt Melody.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28384355
Do your reps. Melody's roommate practically looks like a crack whore, just slightly better fed.

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>>28383700
Imagine throwing away your career in a big corpo losing half your fanbase just so you could have creative freedom only to turn around and join a different corpo...why are women retarded like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28460796
Coco has no money issues, now she's happier with no shit management shooting her ideas down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28438673
> She not put in banishment room by Cover's upper management anymore

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>>28460993
And? Why bother joining a corpo then? Also you do understand that one of the perks of being in a corpo is to basically have an easier time getting sponsorships I don't think you faggots truly understand how far money actually goes before it runs the fuck out inflation happened pretty much everywhere my guy and a 30% tax + whatever YouTube takes does not pad those old holo dollars out

[Anonymous No.]

>>28461478
Kson has sponser stream all time.
And you are faggot who never watch Kson and talk shit to her.

Lair

[Anonymous No.]

>>28462259
You are god damn right I don't watch talentless whores glad we cleared that up retard now go eat some more lead paint or huff model glue or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28461478
Vshojo is Vtuber Service Provider Company and faggot like you can't understand from joint-venture and corporation.

Are you NEET?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28462688
I accept your surrender

[Anonymous No.]

>>28459610
>relevant
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>28462259
Can you post this again but in English?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28461478
>is to basically have an easier time getting sponsorships
I'm pretty sure that hololive doesn't pay their talents for sponsored streams, and for merch.
You sign up to to be a vtuber and you make 100x more money than a regular salaryman just from superchats (even when 30% is taken by youtube and another 30% is taken by hololive), you aren't in a place to be greedy considering the fact that hololive uses that money to prop up the profit margins to help rally up more investors in cover.
Pretty sure most of the money cover spends is probably for new models, songs, staff (dance, singing instructors) and office renting (I know there are some individuals who spend out of their own wallet to pay for their own models or songs, and hololive seems to only give songs to only recently debuted vtubers).

[Anonymous No.]

>>28463785
> can't counter his's point
> attack English's skill instead.

Such a loser

[Anonymous No.]

Source for op's pic? What stream did she say that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28464072
You forget Hologacha game

[Anonymous No.]

>>28464151
But not as much of a loser as kson. Never as much as her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28464331
Not OP
Re-Debut live in Twitch yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>28464480
It's not you to decide.

Loser

[Anonymous No.]

>>28464480
Seething now? Kusa

[Anonymous No.]

>>28464072
actually hololive is a private company, so I guess it's possible they are more reasonable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396244
>her pc is having issues
Vshojo sis our godlike tier support and tech.....

[Anonymous No.]

>>28462774
Are you retarded they literally are a corpo you do understand what a corpo is right? Maybe you need to learn some basic definition on shit before pretending like you know anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>28464480
imagine how strong her former company would be now if they didn't fire the #1 and #2 earners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28465022
No reason to seeing how the only ones who defend kson here are ESLs who can't even form a proper sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383807
I mean most of the countries that do limit women’s freedom tend to be shitholes so I don’t know if this is the best argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28463080
What surrender retard? There was nothing to consed I don't watch talentless whores its not an argument but a statement of fact what are you illiterate?, fucking stupid? Or just so socially inept that you don't understand how to even start an argument? Is this really what Vshojo fans are like or is this Kson fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>28383700
>Family
No wonder kanata left what a bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>28465485
Getting rid of tumors spoiling the whole brand is more important than passing profit. Meanwhile kson's whole life is still revolving around the fact that she was once in Hololive. Hololive survives without her just fine but she can't survive without it because she's not special without it. You can't name three things that make her stand out from the crowd of mediocrity without bringing up Hololive in some form. In the end her graduation did infinitely more damage to her than it did to Cover.

[Anonymous No.]

@ hololive management

[Anonymous No.]

>>28464072
My understanding on merch was that production came out of the talents pockets and they basically had to recoup and make a profit off sales with the only support cover offering was through distribution and manufacturing channels but this is all third hand from an old stream translation which could have been 100% fucking wrong

[Anonymous No.]

people are still talking about this old drama?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28462259
>>28464151
>>28464649
Holy ESL chama

[Anonymous No.]

>>28466233
she's the best EN vtuber they ever had, for starters

[Anonymous No.]

>>28466233
>calling girls tumors because of your deep love of a capitalist corporation
the things 4chan does to people

[Anonymous No.]

>>28395760
And nobody knew or cared untill.she became coco. And after she deopped coco few cared for a year. Unless she creates drama, nobody cares about her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28431298
>Even the Japanese have a name equivalent to "twitch whore" for holo members.
what is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28418219
collabs, merch, sponsorships, back office generally, idk about JPs tho, maybe they actually have managers

[Anonymous No.]

>>28466759
> can't counter his point
> never watch and just only schizo from your head.
> ESL ESL ESL

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