/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

The former boss of Nijisanji, Iwanaga, just joined vshojo jp as a stategy advisor
https://twitter.com/iwataiki/status/1548184733690957824
Looks like they're making a serious push to poach talent from both Hololive and Nijisanji. All out war?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
Get me Selen Tzu and MafuMafu, immediately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
>Iwanaga
Vshojo JP is going to be very good, I heard this guy is actually the mastermind behind the development of the first batch of Nijisanji's liver.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300176
Yep. This is the guy who made Nijisanji in the powerhouse it originally was before he stepped down for cancer treatment I think. Scouted both Kanae and Kuzuha among other people so he has a definite eye for talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
I can see them poaching talent from Nijsanji since a lot of nijis do absolutely pathetic numbers and thus would be easily lured away by promises of fame and fortune but there's no fucking way in hell they'll ever poach anyone from Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
It's over holodrones

[Anonymous No.]

Can't wait for VShojo NFT!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300222
>holobrony mental gymnastics level = olympic

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300176
So vshojo jp will get a mito and hajime? I guess we can count the other woman besides Kson as the hajime of VshojoJp but when will we get the mito of vshojoJp?

[Anonymous No.]

>Ex-COO of Nijisanji
>Managing ex-Hololive idols
>Under the banner of Vshojo
Reality is glitching out.

[Anonymous No.]

Requesting Niji-Vshojo edit of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
https://twitter.com/mofuku/status/1548168013958254592
They also just hired an idol producer

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
..but my talent freedom..

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300268
What do you even call this? The Alliance? The Coalition?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
using rushia and coco to springboard other talent should make it pretty easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300268
It really is some fantasy football shit. Someone makes a game out of Vtubing Corp already.

[Anonymous No.]

ANYONE WHO IS SAYING VSHOJO IS NOT A COMPANY NEEDS TO KILL THEMSELVES RIGHT NOW

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>>28300253

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300253
Nijinigger mental retardation level = infinite

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
Someone has to teach the talent the pillow business, it's not like japs know it already like vshoujo's western talent.

[Anonymous No.]

This guy was the reason nijisanji got big, he was the original the lel vtuber CEO meme in Japan as well, I guess Vshoujo has a big chance to dethrone nijiholo at this rate
I knee

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
Interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300268
fuckin kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
Wasn't this guy like, literally the uncle of pic related, who was his hand-picked successor after he stepped down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
Fuck me
At this point I'm actually interested in checking out VShoujoJP

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300343
we need TEW for vtubing asap

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300359
>>28300361
Holoseethe?
Holoseethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
OH SHIT, yesterday's friend, today's enemy

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300396
The rrats have gone out of control

[Anonymous No.]

they already poached mayu

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300421
>"You're seething!", exclaimed Anon as he seethed

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300268
almost makes you think that uhhhhhh reality is a simulation right bro?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300222
I hope they poach Mel, Choco and Matsuri. They would fit pretty good in Vshojo JP.
The issue with 3 view Nijis is that they aren't really the best streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

So who else are they poaching? Mayuzumi? Lulu? Gibara?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300421
Selen, come to vshojo, you get as many outfits as you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300396
>>28300452
>Riku. You didn't accelerate fast enough. Where is Wave 300?
>It seems... Iwanaga must join the hunt....

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
https://youtu.be/T2iPaXltP70
VERY interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300498
vshojo does not want selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
Who cares? I'll keep watching only Selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300261
So, either Nozomi-chan or Pmaru-sama will join VshojoJP? Damn, that's... bizarre

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300528
>Talent first
Couldn't agree more, so go get some you talentless whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300498
>Vshowhore
No thanks
Its either Hololive or Indie
>>28300542
Good

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300222
>lured away by promises of fame and fortune
Why would they do that, the current girlls barely stream and don't get any numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
So holo collabs are banned most definitely, and if this causes a ban from niji collabs, who else can they collab with? Only indies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300528
Cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>iwaiwa advising vshojo jp
Vshojo jp is in a good track.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300528
He was restricted in Nijisanji. It's only fitting that he goes to Vshojo where's there's actual freedom

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300490
Nijibro, you can't poach someone from you if she/he is no longer working for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
going to be interesting watching based and redpilled vSho cucks do a 180 and say idols are good now

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300212
I'm just glad that he's going back into the mainstream, he seems like a cool, talented guy and at this point I'm curious to see what comes out of it, even if I've never really been too fond of VShojo in general. At this point VShojo is basically the AEW of vtubing, they've managed to poach some incredible talent from their competitors

[Anonymous No.]

>Mito's hasn't streamed in a while

bros...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300574
Spotted the chink

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300610
Agreed. This is the guy who found Kuzuha. I trust him to find more diamonds in the rough

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300583
Your loss, enjoy your Oshi irrelevance without anything major in ger career.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
Kek nijisanji confirmed black company

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300674
She is too good for Vshojo sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300592
they were almost certainly banned the second they signed rushia if not coco

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300099
"To know your Enemy, you must become your Enemy."

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300528
Yo, hold the phone. Somebody tell Kson it's only funny when she does this to holobronies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300703
>already collabed with them multiple times
>plays apex with zen and froot

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300326
>The supervillains of Niji-Holo empires
>The league of Judas
>Corpo revengers
Doshaburi no yoru niiii
Chikatta ribenjiiiiiii

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300592
Vox is collabing with Melody this week. Vshojo and Niji will still collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
idol bros come home

[Anonymous No.]

So vshojo bad but vshojoJP good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300755
>corpo revengers
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
It will be funny to see the faces of the Nijiniggers who celebrated the supposed end of Hololive when VwhorejoJP starts poaching all their talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
wtf i love idol culture now

[Anonymous No.]

It's all coming together...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300674
there is no way she will join that whore den

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300774
Think for yourself at least once, stop seeking validation on Mongolian basket weaving forum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
>leaves idol company because muh forced idol shit
>joins another company where muh forced idol shit will be forced
lol
something tells me the chinese were right from the start

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300774
Unironically yes, if they manage to live up to the hype and the big names that they've managed to poach.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300769
Wow I can't believe they are going to be actually fucking on stream with full 3d models.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300755
>Corpo revengers
Audible keks. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300099
>>28300731
⋉⋔⟟-⋏. ⟒ ⋔ ⟒⊬ ⊑⟒ ⟟ ⟒⋏⟒⋔⟒⋏ ⟟⋏ ⟒⟒ ⟟ ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300748
>Multiple times
Yes, multi collabs were she barely talks
>Apex
Exactly, if they weren't playing Apex, Selen would have never done a collab with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300498
>>28300542
This. Selen is the most anti-sexual Vtuber I've ever seen, unlike what deludegoons may say otherwise. She talks about genitals and intercourse, sure, but NEVER her own, and she NEVER shows a hint at wanting anyone else's. I think she's genuinely asexual.

[Anonymous No.]

How dare you raise your hand against me...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300829
coco left hololive because they stuck her in an empty room with nothing to do until she quit (which was the entire point) everything else is corporate cope

[Anonymous No.]

all out war

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
GUYS THEY'RE NOT A COMPANY!!! STOP SPREADING LIES LIKE THIS!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300176
So the guy who designed their mass-production tactics? Ugh.

[Anonymous No.]

Where's selen new costume tho?

[Anonymous No.]

As a Nijifag I hope they poach some of the EN girls too, Pomu deserves better than a company that can't even give her birthday merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300859
As her boyfriend, i can say otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300404
HoloJP > HoloEN
NijiJP > NijiEN
Now VShojoJP > VShojoEN

We've warned you all multiple times that JP always wins. It is prophecy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300894
DO YOU WANT TOTAL WAR?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300829
Bullshit, kson has no problem with idolshit, just look at her fucking 3d debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300921
Yeah me

[Anonymous No.]

This is the guy who quit Anycolor to try and make it big off NFTs for a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300855
?apex, pummel party, party games, more apex with zen

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300914
i want the god damn outfit, not because im hyped but because its a step that selen needs to commision her own outfits
i bet my ass that she will commision better ones

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>>28300222
Both mito and kenmochi are his found. But if we compare the amount of hit on gen 1 and 2, thats pretty small.
But if you look at ex-gamers, which is all his pick, majority of them are a hit, fast hit. These are Kuzuha, Kanae, Sasaki, Shiina, Himawari.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300859
>Selen is the most anti-sexual Vtuber I've ever seen
Then you need to watch her wave mates. Selen is like a whore compared to the other two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300667
Mito, Kuzuha, Kenmochi, Kanae, all of Seed. All of the currently nijisanji big aces were his pick. Vshoujo found a fucking gold with this. I kneel to whoever Vshoujo CEO is

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301009
This actually meant for this >>28300176

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300985
>Pummel, Party games
Barely talked
>Apex
Thanks for proving me right

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not looking forward to seeing 2020fags and other assorted schizoid retards on /vt/ use Iwaiwa for shitty tribalnigger memes but I'm glad that the dude is back to something mainly vtuber related

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300957
which stream is this from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300212
Not just that, he was the one who pushed the streaming format for vtubers in Japan (hence why the niji chuubas are called livers). Before that it was mostly short videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>they fired her at the wrong company

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300755
>Corpo Revengers
rofl first meme name for this situation that I don't hate

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301023
Petra is Ethyria and Rosemi is a weird combination of Lazulight - Noctix
Selen is the only real Obsydia member
>>28301052
Her cute 3D Chibi membership stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
When did he work in Nijisanji?
How was his relationship with Gibara and Lulu? Good? Bad? indifferent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300829
But she loves idol shit

[Anonymous No.]

I am thinking of following VwhorejoJP, but I refuse to watch Kekson after the lies about Vwhorejo not being a company

[Anonymous No.]

It's strange that the position of 'strategy advisor' exists in the first place
I'm pretty sure the EN side doesn't have such a person

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
I dont know. There speaks a lot against vshojo.

>twitch
>"strange" female streamers (who all have some "problems")

They also target the coomer audience and why it gives them like 100-200k coomers/underage viewers, it kind of ends there. I have a feeling most /vtube/ watchers prefer the cute little girl (see shork), the angsty tomboy (see mori), the dorky (little) girl (see bunny or the big sisters (see pirate captain).

I wonder if he will go full in on the sex, sexuality and coomer audience or if he goes for a more temperate approach.

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>>28300829
No, she parroted a youtube statistic that showed taiwan was x% of her viewers, got put on a 6month vacation where they basically wanted to terminate her contract, but couldn't because she was too popular and didn't actually do any thing contract breaking, so she came back and got put in a banishment room after being told it was for her own good cause of her spammers. Where she stayed for months untill a bug magically got mod in her chat and used her nightbot to ban her membership, which was about when she decided fuck this, and decided it was time to quit. She was also probably offered a deal at some point since that last month of hers was like a fever dream of nonstop collabs.

Tldr though, chink narratives are always wrong, since youtubes banned there and they don't watch streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301144
Because the EN is a completely different matter. Japs are building a new company from scratch and are using the Vshojo brand for a headstart recognition.

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>>28301043
>I kneel to whoever Vshoujo CEO is
some fat hawaiian looking guy. and hes not a CEO because that implies vShojo is a company that has money to throw around like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300314
The freedom to be an idol(if they want to)

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301108
>members stream
goddamit.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish iwanaga didn't get cancer so he will not be busy with treatment. Which mean he wouldn't choose to leave ichikara because he felt he need challenge after his long absence and would be more involved in current talent scouting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301144
I mean maybe they do? Not many people here talk about who actually works for VShojoEN

[Anonymous No.]

As long as he doesn't try to peddle NFTS, he should be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301109
If Nijisanji is Konoha, he's like the Hashirama Senju of Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300812
Where's Melissa?
She wants freedom right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
looks like Vshitshow is really desperate to get some talent beyond some two-bit whores. Hope they actually find some talent and not just fatherless sluts.

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>>28301185
Yeah, effectively VShojoJP is an entirely new company just renting the VShojo brand name. It's like what Nijisanji did with KR and ID letting them be managed by local companies and operating mostly independently rather than reporting directly to Anykara.

Most importantly it means Nyanners and her filth can't interfere in JP's management by complaining that the models are too loli or whatever.

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>>28300058
>stategy advisor
Why does this whole thing keep reminding me more and more of F1?
>small team hires former world champions and unsurprisingly, they underperform
>then they grab a Ferrari strategist

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301043

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301266
Didn't she graduate due to "normal causes"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301301
>"you know what to do, kuzuha"
>"spinalla"

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300812
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-v1Se6yD5I

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301238
I thought they were just a backpack distributor

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301362
wait, why is she randomly getting a model now, after all this time?
don't tell me...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301299
But how can this be when they're not a company

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301362
VSHOJO BAYBEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301299
>Most importantly it means Nyanners and her filth can't interfere in JP's management by complaining that the models are too loli or whatever.
Again idk why you people think pink cat would be against any of this especially given that she loves nazuna

[Anonymous No.]

Nijibros, why so insecure?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300268
top kk

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
vei is seething right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301173
Everything she has done since leaving has vindicated Cover. They handled the situation perfectly and Kson sperged out and cut her nose off to spite her face, eventually needing to join another corpo (after explicitly saying she wouldn't do that) to maintain relevancy.

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>>28300528
What does that even really mean? Sort of thing that sounds good till someone does stuff you don't like. Doubt it'll be talent first if Nyanners decided to become an anti-vax tuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301447
Vei doesn't give a fuck she's busy with her boyfriend to care

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301428
Why would nijifriends be afraid when they have good a relationship with vshoujo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301426
Banners has a hunk bf now, as her hormones rise and maternal instinct kicks in, she will become avid loli lover.

[Anonymous No.]

VTuber renaissance incoming

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301454
>Everything she has done since leaving has vindicated Cover.
This is reality.
>They handled the situation perfectly and Kson sperged out and cut her nose off to spite her face, eventually needing to join another corpo (after explicitly saying she wouldn't do that) to maintain relevancy.
This is schizo ramblings.
Know the difference

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301426
Shes the most two faced vTuber ever. just give it a few weeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301476
*Pink cat

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301238
>Not many people here talk about who actually works for VShojoEN
There's been some interesting moves being made on EN side too. Like we found out during AX that the guy that made FugiTech is now their Tech Lead.
https://twitter.com/fugiman

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
I think taking iwanaga is a good choice since he built something from the ground. But I dunno what about the other Idol producer. Is she/he only big idol producer or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301490
>This is schizo ramblings.
She said on stream she will not join a company. She lied. Plain and simple. Moreover she did it the instant her non compete clause ran out meaning she always intended to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301494
Rushia was literally one of her favorite JP vtubers anon

[Anonymous No.]

enjoy your homostars holo bros, the war is just getting started

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301428
Why do holofags project their insecurity onto nijichads? You're the ones that have been chimping out for 2 weeks over this VShojoJP thing. Nijisanji are friends with VShojo, why would we be upset?

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>>28300268
It's turning into sports where coaches and players get juggled between the same teams a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301454
No, handling the situation perfectly would've been ignoring the bugs throwing an autistic fit over politics that don't concern japan.

Then again the bugs actually helped coco grow more popular so maybe their autisim was necessary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301454
>after explicitly saying she wouldn't do that
Never happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>Nijisanji strategist
So Vshojo is just gonna start hiring streamers in droves until you can't keep tack anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300542
/vsj+/fag here, why wouldn't we want Selen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301528
Can you blame her? She was losing viewers faster than Kizuna Ai

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301454
>They handled the situation perfectly
By releasing two different statements in Chinese respecting one China and En statement not mentioning it. Making chinks mad beyond recognition and solidifying their hatered not only for Coco but hololive as a whole?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301111
and yet she didn't do any Idol shit since her graduation, curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301571
They'll start by poaching Lulu, who is debuting a model in 5 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301528
>She said on stream she will not join a company. She lied.
Timestamp?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301574
well, dragoons dont want it, thats for sure

[Anonymous No.]

someone get the bug spray

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301590
anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300528
Can someone tell me what talent first and talent freedom is even meant to mean? Vshoujo shit keeps saying it but I still don't even know what the are referring to. Like the only freedoms I can think of is don't make your personality sex and don't talk about politics which are both pretty reasonable.

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>>28301590
you do idol shit alone in your moms basement and see how many people would care, it needs a group

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>>28301578
What chinks do is irrelevant. They're like a locust swarm, you can't pacify subhumans. What matters is how they move to limit the damage. Fubuki publically supported Kson and her chat is still spammed to this day over it. Was it a good move? Of course not, Kson cut and run leaving Fubuki to deal with the fallout.

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>>28300222
>there's no fucking way in hell they'll ever poach anyone from Hololive
they essentially just did

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300636
Not that it matters, but we also know that a JP audience has different tastes, so whatever VShojoJP talents want to do is their business. If Nazuna wants to go back to GFE and other girls want to do idol stuff, eh so be it.

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>>28301571
That tactic would probably work very well on Twitch. The site is very vulnerable to flooding the game catalogs to drown out any competition if you have enough streamers on your payroll.
If VShojo suddenly hired 100 talents and had them all playing the latest meme game as soon as it releases everyone interested in that game will end up watching VShojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301634
she should blame cover for forcing coco out then

[Anonymous No.]

He was part of a group after Nijisanji, They had people like Kirschtorte under them, He's a washed up has been.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301563
>No, handling the situation perfectly would've been ignoring the bugs throwing an autistic fit over politics that don't concern japan.
That was not an option since they HAD to end all business on China, cant ignore them when they have they are the government with a comically fragile ego.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300222
already were handed two top talent from hololive, they could get sana but she sucks lmao

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>>28301661
She said she left because she was asshurt over not having the rights to her character, and she wanted a bigger cut. Had absolutely nothing to do with some narrative about Cover treating her badly. Did you forget she interviewed Yagoo before her graduation?

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>>28301627
You’re basically free to do whatever you want, you are you’re own person, no can dictate what you say or do on steam so if you want to do idol shit you can, if you want to have hardcore sex on stream you can

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301627
It doesn't mean anything. It's just propaganda that sounds nice.

[Anonymous No.]

ALL OUT WAR
But seriously, audience will benefit the most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301634
Fubuki knew exactly what she was doing, and she'd do it again if she had the chance. If you're mad at Kson because Fubuki stood up for her friends then I don't think you know her very well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301709
>My headcannon is right
>Your headcannon is wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301590
Oooooh you're a bug. Alright never mind. Careful, you're going to lower your credit score if you keep breaking out of your cute little firewall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301627
It means they can react to videos for hours and call it content

[Anonymous No.]

talent first! talent freedom!
They keep repeating this but don't show any signs of it, It's like some shitty slogan that doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
they really are the bad guys

[Anonymous No.]

Vshojo=Austria Hungary
Vshojo JP=German Empire

[Anonymous No.]

I am curious about VshojoJP, but all these lies from Kson have left me undecided. Lying, two-faced bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
Both look like asshole

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301472
>>28301539
>poaches the former CEO of Nijisanji who just said hours ago only vShojo believes in talent first
>they got him for the purposes of competing in and soaking up the JP vTuber market share
>"t-theyre friends! Riku is going to invite big chungus gunrun and iwanaga to his christmas party!"
Ask me how I know you retards never leave your house or have ever held an actual job

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301627
Remember when Pekora cried because her idea got shot down?

Remember how nobody in Hololive can collab with NijiEN?

And how the other corpos take a percentage of superchat revenue?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301709
She literally described upper management treating her badly. She left because streaming in Hololive wasn't fun anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301718
That sounds nice at a glance but ignores the factors of reality and the benefits the "restrictions" and the company bring. You can't gain corporate benefits while trying to pretend you can do whatever the fuck you want. It's the thoughts of someone incredibly naive

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>>28301752
I'm telling you what she's said on stream while you're trying to read into what nobody has said about behind the scenes stuff at Hololive. You're the same as the Homo schizos who think there's some kind of collab ban between Hololive and Holostars. Some Holos trying to avoid the chink storm doesn't mean that there was a mandate that Coco be isolated from management.

[Anonymous No.]

they're hiring actual professionals because they have nothing to show after 11 months of opening auditions besides basically poaching

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301723
true, but shitposters are war profiteers and business is going to be booming

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301801
Don't care, i don't watch JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
She is the MOGRA founder, isn't she? What the fuck, they are hiring very big names in the industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301723
>>28301841
The board is going to look like a hellscape later today and tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301818
>I'm telling you what she's said on stream
No you aren't. If you were you wouldn't bother saying what she said, you would just show us a link.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301543
Vtubing is finally a full fledged entertainment industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301718
>You’re basically free to do whatever you want
Can they? Could they become v-Alex Jones if they wanted to? VShojo still has a brand to protect, still has to deal with copyright, has a fanbase which probably wouldn't like your catchphrase being "now that's some nigger shit!" Plus as they expand, do more cons/bigger projects, probably gonna expect some input

Less freedom and more like a bigger cage

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301610
Who cares? I'm just talking from a business point of view. If Selen was a free agent, why wouldn't VShojo want her? You guys are weird sometimes with your ramblings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301818
Then why are you blaming Kson for leaving hololive to avoid chink shitstorm?
I guess any Holo can do whatever, Coco is held accountable for everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301801
As a fan of vtubers why would I care what company my favorite vtuber works for as long as they're happy?

If VShojoJP turns out to be a huge success and poaches a bunch of Nijisanji talents I don't think you'll find any upset Nijisanji fans. Hololive is the only company in the business with such an obsessive cult that fans will demonize talents who leave the company for not being loyal enough. In the rest of the industry and the real world it's perfectly normal for people to switch employers every few years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301821
Lmao true this is all on the JP side, which makes me wonder what the fuck happened to the EN auditions.

[Anonymous No.]

Kson - lmao bitch can't sing for shit
Mikecat - was a mid tier idol at best
Lulu - not the best singer but the best dancer
Delta - very average singer

and this is assuming they get Lulu/Delta. Stick to the "not a company" thing unless they can find multiple diamonds in the rough from the hololive/nijisanji reject pile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301803
>Remember when Pekora cried because her idea got shot down?
Remind me what the idea was because I vaguely recall and that it might have been one of the things that was reasonable
>Remember how nobody in Hololive can collab with NijiEN?
Last I remember hearing about this it also involved managers on the niji side ALSO rejecting collabs.
>And how the other corpos take a percentage of superchat revenue?
How the fuck do you expect them to be able to run without taking a portion of profits? They don't take anything from membership and I'm pretty sure a bunch of them make much more from memberships. The small cut from sc is a small loss that gives them access to a lot of things and those things include shit that gives them more money than the sc will. The exposure from being in hololive for the vast majority of them automatically makes up the cut cost as they are earning much much more than they would otherwise from sc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301801
There's no such thing as "CEO of Nijisanji", faggot. He was the head for two years and COO of Anycolor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301935
I think Ironmouse said those are still coming.
I'm guessing they just suddenly ended up focusing on JP because of them having kson and rushia fall on their laps

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301967
>They don't take anything from membership
Holo and Niji take half of all YouTube revenue, including ads and memberships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301992
Snuffy died for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301992
if what kson said about talks in march is true then that's still 7 months of nothing and then deciding to delay anything related to EN for another 4 months just to make sure the JP branch was more competent out the gate than EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302006
Do they? I remember reading they don't taking anything from memberships?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301627
If I remember correctly, it means the talent owns the IP rights for their avatars and that the company only really takes a share of the merchandise. Also management doesnt actually tells them what to do I guess. I remember one of them doing a Ukraine fundraiser that no one of the other talents did or support.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301958
Lulu is a terrible fit. Far too idolish.

[Anonymous No.]

>Hire two washed up ex Holo members who barely struggle to go above 10k.
>Hire a former Nijisanji staff who's company failed after he left Nijisanji.
>scream talent first with no signs of it happening.
This is the power of VShojo....

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301958
Lulu and Mike can form an ultimate GFE unit that kills all of GFE vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301821
>>28301935
>>28301992
Vshoujo auditions are very clearly nothing more than just poaching talent that is already doing super well. There being no new EN just means no one notable has applied.

[Anonymous No.]

All will kneel to the number one Rabbit

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300812
I would kneed so fucking hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302024
no offense to those poor EN chuubas but based on how things are looking for VShojoJP so far it probably is 100% worth it for them to delay the EN stuff to focus on this

[Anonymous No.]

I like how the holobronies think that we care that they have Iwanaga, he had cancer, had to step down and now wants something a little more chill than being a fucking COO. I think most nijifans are actually happy that the poor dude is trying to recover and working again in the vtuber industry since he can scout very good people and make the industry bigger instead of doing a Cover and saying "hurr durr we can't find talents, surry!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301821
If I had to guess, the Nux situation lead to them just scraping the whole thing and not doing anything about it until Kson came along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302052
>There being no new EN just means no one notable has applied.
Snuffy literally admitted that she applied and then she got rejected. She was one of the more popular indie vtubers on Twitch and is already friends with many of the vshojos.
I have no fucking idea why they would reject her but it's not true that no one notable applied

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji & Hololive BTFO
Here comes the new King of JP Vtuber!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301912
Exactly. As they expand and hire more and more talents it becomes exponentially more difficult to just trust them to play nice, specially if they're going for people who have show to be unstable like Rushia. Sooner or later they're gonna be forced to implement internal regulation to restrict their talents in order to avoid problems.
It's very interesting to watch Vshojo gradually become more similar to the corpos that they base their entire marketing on being different from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301912
Obviously not. Freedom only applies until you crossover into ungood think. But hey, as long as you don't say something that goes against twitter politics you can be as whorish and disgusting as you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300099
>>28300176
>>28300212
>>28300396
>>28300404
>>28300498
>>28300528
>>28300667
>>28300703
>>28300731
>>28300774
>>28300878
>>28300914
>>28300973
>>28301051
>>28301428
>>28301627
>>28301772
>>28301790
This man is a gaijin lover dog! It was me who led Nijisanji to prosperity! Please keep supporting Nijisanji onegai!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300812
Gibara...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301967
>How the fuck do you expect them to be able to run without taking a portion of profits?
VShojo makes revenue off merchandising, sponsorships, and appearance fees, and also money from YT clip channels and such. The girls keep all their stream revenue. Seems to work for them.

Granted, Cover / Hololive do seem to have some rather grand multi-media projects that does require a lot of money and investment, and this is VShojo's first big thing and they could only do it after the VC investments. Different models, but things are in motion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302026
Both companies take 50% after YT's cut. Niji also takes 50% of streamlabs while Holos aren't allowed to use Streamlabs. Both also take a cut from merch sales I believe it's also 50% there as well.

Meanwhile VShojo doesn't take anything out of their streamer activities, the only thing they have is ownership of the character license for producing merch but I think the talents also get a cut of merch sales, just a much smaller one.
The downside here is Twitch takes 50% of your income from bits and subs and ads while YT only takes 30%. However most big streamers get their paypigs to use Streamlabs instead where they get 97% of it.

Basically purely going off who gets the best cut from donations it goes VShojo > Nijisanji > Hololive but it's almost entirely due to Streamlabs. YT/Twitch are both garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301932
>why would I care what company my favorite vtuber works for
Pretending companies are just these ethereal with no effect on the content being made is stupid. Hey remember when that fag Nux started drama with Vshojo cause they did nothing about their auditions being used to scam people? Then all of them had to call him out on twitter, before the issue collapsed into a black hole of everyone fucking up. Almost like being part of a company has an effect on how they have to act.

Also lmao nijis are still mad about Luna

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301765
>talent first! talent freedom!
It means the girls have complete control over their streams and content even if it's nonexistent like in Hime's case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
>>28300293
not a corporation btw

[Anonymous No.]

A company who got 11 million in funding is screaming talent first and talent freedom, It's all a scam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301301
You're missing the most important part of that chain
>They STILL suck afterwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302134
>The downside here is Twitch takes 50% of your income from bits and subs and ads while YT only takes 30%. However most big streamers get their paypigs to use Streamlabs instead where they get 97% of it.
VShojo doesn't require you to use Twitch over YouTube just to be clear. It's up to the talents. Kson is still gonna stream on both, and I wouldn't be surprised if Nazuna does something similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302144
>Also lmao nijis are still mad about Luna
Funny because Luna, Fubuki, and Haato are the only Holos I watch. Your mental image of Nijisanji fans is just your projection of a Hololive fan with the company names reversed, and it couldn't be more wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

Should we tell them about the real reason iwaiwa got booted? SLEE, YG, the NFTs, Blast Project...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302120
Riku contributed nothing other than his money (investment) to the company. And Riku only care about raking in more cash just look at Nijisanji's merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302217
don't tell me he was doing NFT's.....

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302105
Bullshit.
https://youtu.be/hf3cQyplU6E

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302134
>Holos aren't allowed to use Streamlabs
>source: I made it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302134
> while Holos aren't allowed to use Streamlabs
https://streamlabs.com/pavoliareinechhololive-id/tip
https://streamlabs.com/moonahoshinovahololive-id/tip
https://streamlabs.com/airaniiofifteenchannelhololive-id
https://streamlabs.com/kureijiolliechhololive-id

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301472
they are going to suck niji audience too like how shoto suck dry vox's audience anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302217
SLEE failed and he was forced to resign, but you must remember he is the one who helped to build Nijisanji from the scratch, and this proved that Anycolor is a shit company that only cares about profit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300361
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302028
>Also management doesnt actually tells them what to do I guess.
This would I honestly take with a massive grain of salt. The instant they say or do something that impacts the name, brand etc of vshoujo they will drop them faster than hololive and nijisanji ever could. The instant their presence becomes a problem for profits they are much more liable to drop them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301617
Yeah I saw her 3D, she sang mainly meme stuff, this now counts as a idol stuff? Well fuck me, guess I'm zhang from now.

[Anonymous No.]

it will fail horribly
the only way to succeed in this industry is innovate
VShojo is just trying to get a piece of what Hololive and Nijisanji have by doing what they've already done
so long massive cash injection, should have used it on the existing talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301539
Speak for yourself, vshojo is fucking cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302112
propaganda aside, it's common in business for a start up to easily out maneuver and outcompete bigger older businesses but then either get bought out or have to do same structural managerial shit that crippled the big older corp out of sheer necessity although i'd say were still pretty far away from that

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302234
Iwanaga created SLEE, Yumenographia and a ton of failed projects in Anycolor. And for a year now he didnt even open an agency and is doing fucking nfts
>And Riku only care about raking in more cash just look at Nijisanji's merch.
That merch has been like this for years since Iwanaga was still there kek

[Anonymous No.]

Iwanaga is like Kson.

>was formerly great.
>leaves
>both become washed up and irrelevant.
it's a perfect fit.

[Anonymous No.]

>muh freedom
>muh not actually a corpo
>muh edgy counter culture chuubas
>literally just trying to out niji and out holo your competitors without the talent or organisation
kek
KEK
K E K
shit's DOA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302186
Japs take stuff at face value and actually believe it when its clearly American style politician speak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302024
Late April was when the final decisions were made, by accounts provided by a couple of last stage rejects. At worst, it has been 2 months since then and it is reasonable that if the March negotiations happened and spurned things forward, then it all fits. Further, since we don't know who the accepted talents are, they might be pushing for new models, new assets, and other shit, and that can take a while to put together fro a proper debut. Maybe lore videos, too, which are proving to be really popular for VShojo fans. Some of you really don't understand how time plays into these things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302289
Oh yeah, definitely, freedom goes both ways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302278
Oh no, a company only cares for profit. Not like all of the other companies in the world, the horror.
Iwanaga is the good guy, the person who is investing on NFTs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301932
don't care, i spend my money only to chuubas in hololive because i know the quality of them met my standart, now look at kson and see the difference between now and when she was coco. I don't want to waste my energy on self entitled people like kson and the rest of vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302304
>That merch has been like this for years since Iwanaga was still there kek
This is how I know you are a fucking newfag that doesn't watch Vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302258
>>28302262
This is so cringe how you fuckers grasp at straws. They only let ID use SL because superchats were banned in Indonesia.
JP/EN use Streamlabs before they get YT monetization and then disable their accounts. Kiara even said back in 2020 they're explicitly not allowed to use Streamlabs because of management. Don't ask me why the fuck that is, Holo managers are incompetent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301596
>poaching
I see anons using that word even though it doesn't make sense
Are you all ETL?

[Anonymous No.]

It's console war all over again

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
holyshit, KINO IS BACK ON THE MENU BROS

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302217
Yeah, he's a cool "ideas man" but his track record is pretty bad and he needs other people who can say no to dumb suggestions. But it doesn't seem like he'll hold a super important role in vshojo as he'll be an advisor so maybe it's fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302352
I don't feel like going full /sp/ and talking about picking up free agents because it would fly over the heads of 90% of this board. But there, are you happy now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301771
Are you assuming... none of them will win at the end of the (1st) war?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302186
it's a slogan bro, what's covers slogan? step out of line and we'll fire you ass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302262
That's only because ID viewers weren't allowed to SC until very recently. Reine's streams, for example, no longer have the Streamlabs link after 6/28.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301932
>Hololive is the only company in the business with such an obsessive cult
You gonna be surprised with the cult of NijiJP in Japan anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300528
So who is going to jumo ship next from hololive?
I honestly can see Marine. She's been unhappy in hololive for a while now and shit like this will add only fuel to the fire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302040
>barely struggle to go above 10k.
dude...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302134
One important detail that Vshojofags always forget: merch and sponsorships make more money than supas and memberships. At the end of the day their company takes the most lucrative slice of the pie and pretends to be well-intentioned by not taking their crumbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302340
>>28302367
He was pressured by the board members to shut down the idol group that just started, basically the shareholders want instant profit in short period of time, anycolor is really a black company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302134
Twitch takes 50% of the subscriptions, the money they take from bits comes from the person who purchases them to donate to the streamer. So if you wanted to give 1000 bits to a streamer, the streamer gets 1000 bits, but you'd have to pay Twitch $14. I don't know about advertising.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302250
What's wrong with doing NFT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302406
lets see someone in vSho come out as anti-abortion. theyd be gone in 24 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302350
>gets BTFO for lying
>t-this is so cringe *cry*
Hahahahahhahah

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302463
Mayuzumi graduated and Anycolor is a good company. Don't forget they forced Lulu to quit because of some stupid "health" reason.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys making a big deal out of nothing again. Right now VshojoJP literally just hire a bunch of big names to advertise their branch and spook their competitiors (it doesn't work)
They are all talk for now

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302278
Except that isn't what happened at all. SLEE got spun off into its own company under Iwanaga's ownership as a mutual decision. Now he seems to take bullshit positions at any company that will pay him. Look at the guys twitter bio
CEO @yokazeinc , Producer @blastpj , Strategy Advisor @VShojoJP,Product Manager @VhighOfficial
yokaze is the company SLEE is under that got spun off from Anycolor, the company he owns and runs, its an idol aagency, blastjp is another vtuber group, vshojo is another vtuber group, vhigh is anotherr vtuber group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302382
Yes, have a nice day

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302040
>who barely struggle to go above 10k.
In what world are those small numbers for a streamer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302525
>Except that isn't what happened at all
What are you refuting?
I don't get your point, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, you are not even replying to any of my stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302459
This is a pretty good point, anon. Its such a good one it makes me wonder how you are meant to support the girls if you gave a fuck about them in the first place. Normally merch is what you buy to directly support whatever underlying people you want to support. In this case merch is the opposite and you can't just go give subs because twitch takes 50%. Vshoujo doesn't really seem like something that will work in the long run or if it gets big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302410
why would cover prefer to not use streamlabs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302253
You can go ask in /vsj+/ and they'll explain the whole thing to you. Snuffy posted in her discord over how she got news that got rejected from vshojo (and also how they let her apply late since she was sick).

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302545
It's not but that is not a number that can be used to compete with Niji or Holo

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302217
Yumenographia was a really good idea but it just never really took off because no one wants to spend money at a virtual cabaret club just to talk to the girls for a set time limit. They had to find a proper way to monetize it, but on its face "chatting and playing games with virtual girls in VR" is a good idea. It's not too different from what a lot of Twitch whores do where they reserve playing games with their biggest donors.
If you turn it into a subscription service it'd probably be a lot more successful to keep your frequent customers coming back and offer some sort of bonus services like being able to talk in Discord or SMS or whatever.

>>28302459
Correct but I believe the streamers see this as a favorable outcome because they earn their own wages. Merch/Sponsorships are entirely produced by VShojo's staff without the talent necessarily having to put much effort in. Meanwhile your streams are your livelihood so getting a 100% cut from them is appealing and also motivates your gachis to keep throwing money knowing it's all going to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301958

All VShojoJP needs right now are. Hype names and talent that can sell merch

First Wave - Hype wave
Lulu, Gibara, Uto can definitely do that. Delta probably depending on the artist they get for her design,

Once their done grabbing the big names then they can move on to the second wave the 'talent' wave. Those are the seiso girls, gfe queens, wannabe VA's and endurance streamers. etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302105
>>28302615
Snuffy is also realistically a liability to a business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302503
If by health reason you mean she left because she didn't want to take breaks whenever anything stalkery happened (because she doesn't care) but management kept concernfagging then yeah sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302599
If the VShojo Vtuber puts out merch that they funded themselves, the VShojo company doesn't take a cut. VShojo only takes a cut out of the merch that they help to fund.

[Anonymous No.]

I guarantee you this post came out of #

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302600
Their management are retarded and think YT's superchat feature encourages people to donate more due to the pretty flashing colors in chat. So SL might get you bigger donation cuts but it doesn't let them as easily prey on people with poor impulse control.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302459
I dunno that sounds pretty good to me.
Talents get the money they work for through streaming.
And the company gets the money they work for, producing merch and gaining sponsorships.
Plus the fact that Vshojo doesn't take a cut from merch outside their store. If a Talent works independent to get some merch, they still get the money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302554
He wasn't forced to resign because Anycolor only cares about profit. He took the project he was working on and founded his own company with that project Anycolor paid to start under it. In his own words
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000262.000030865.html
"Ichikara has provided me with many valuable experiences, including the launch and operation of Niji Sanji, the launch of Yumenographia, and the launch and operation of SLEE, which we have now acquired through an MBO. I am very grateful to all the employees and talent I have worked with, all the clients, and all the users who have enjoyed and supported our content.
We have decided to conduct an MBO after discussions with Ichikara, as we believe that more agile decision-making is needed in the operation of the SLEE business. We would like to continue to make the most of our experience at Ichikara to help boost the entertainment industry, and we look forward to your continued support."
Spinning off to form your own business is a completely different thing to just being forced to resign. The guy purchased the project and made his own company. Now he works with two other nobody vtuber agencies that have less than 10k followers and just added a third with vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit fucking revive kerin your best friend is fucking dead for months

https://twitter.com/Kerin_Vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300812
Put that 11million to good use and hire them

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302657
are they allowed to do it?
funding their own merch, i mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302253
>>28302615

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302625
good advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302632
how?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302691
>he wasn't forced to take responsibility and take SLEE with him away from Anycolor
Oh sweet summer child

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302721
they probably saw that terrible model she switched to and said you arent coming here with that shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302695
He is joining Vshojo JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302721
On the same thread that was posted there are people doubting if its even real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300058
>all female nijis graduate
>suddenly a massive wave of vshoujo debuts get announced
Kiara might even collab with one of them...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302348
I watch Nijisanji for years. They always had stanrdadized merchandise and then some unique and customized shit here and there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302709
Simple rule of thumb, if VShojo didn't work on it, the talent gets everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302709
Yes. As much as the phrase has been completely distorted by shitflingers on here, the talent are indeed free to fund their own merch.
The advantage of the company would be that it would be far easier to get merch deals, greater funding and presumably a larger quantity of goods, but nothing says that the talent "has" to use the company.
VShojo also makes money from sponsorships, but they organise those for the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

Vshojo JP is finished, they just recruited a failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302620
Nah the brand got axed because investors afraid of prostitution activities which is illegal in Japan. Riku got pussied out and decided to cancel the projects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302765
He wasn't? They could have just shut it down like they did Yumenographia which was also a project he lead and he could have carried on working at Anycolor but he obviously liked SLEE and wanted to carry on working at it so he split it off into its own company to work on that instead. The project failed and all the members graduated by the way. Neither of the other two vtuber companies he is working for have managed to go anywhere. So not really sure what benefit hiring him is going to have for vshojo either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301932
When will /vt/ do their NijiJP reps? This level of ignorance is ridiculous. Even now there's the Niji Koushien going on which has a massive following every year, you don't think Nijisanji fans would miss that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302765
>>28302463
Holy shit, stop fucking using black company for any shit. Wanting profit isnt even related to fucking black company. Search for definition of bc fag
>>28302503
you are literally retard if you think your irony makes any sense. You know that mentioning mayuzumi also means that you are shitting on cover, right? coco left for the same "creative differences".

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302811
that type of arrangement isnt going to last. They dont get a 11M venture capitalist investment without investors wanting a return before they die, and selling merch of the 3 members that are actually relevent enough to sell merch would take fucking forever. I wonder when that day comes if people will believe they are a for profit business and not some fucking charity who only has beneveloent motivations of "talent first".

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302924
They also make money from sponsorships, not just merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302880
Management buyouts only happen at corps when the alternative is them cutting that group and firing everyone. He'd be in the same spot as everyone working on Yumenographia if he hadn't found financing somewhere to buy them out instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302617
Sure is, most Holos are about 3-6k live viewers on average, and Niji they get anywhere from 100 to 5k viewers on an average livestream. If Kson and the new girl can pull 5k on average, they are more than able to compete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302721
>>28302792
I think she's a decent chuba, and I'm sure fortune will smile upon her if she just keeps at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302762
>4chan tuber
Liability

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302976
kson viewership hasn't gone up at all since she joined VShojo.
She'll probably get a twilight period of when she collabs with Rushia to appease the nostalgic Holo fans then they'll get bored and leave again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28303025
She's already friends with most of the vshojos anyway so it's not like it matters too much for her at least since she'll still be able to interact with them as much as she wants. If she really wants to get in she'd probably get in eventually in future auditions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302969
Yumenographia didn't get bought out? It just got cut. In the guys own words
>We have decided to conduct an MBO after discussions with Ichikara, as we believe that more agile decision-making is needed in the operation of the SLEE business.
He chose to spin SLEE off into its own business because he though it could be more successful that way. But it completely failed under his management and hasn't made a tweet since November last year after the members all graduated. His idol thing was a failure and Anycolor wanted to cut it but he decided to try make it a success under his own management and failed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302976
Being in vshoujo doesn't get you any viewers. I'm not sure why you think it would? Vshoujo has pretty much only taken vtubers who were already popular so for a bunch of them they would already be on a similar up trend without the vshoujo name.

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>>28302762
Too much dog semen.

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>>28302976
That's really leaving out the bigger picture. Holos go from 2k all the way up to 40/50k on what isn't even a special stream. Same with Nijis though a lower floor. You need those Pekoras and Salamis. the Nijisanji IPO doc even admitted their business is top heavy and it is a weakness that they rely on the bigger names.

Meeting the overall company average doesn't mean much.

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Fuck, does this mean the joke about Lulu being in may become real?

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>>28303102
That's what I said anon, when a corp is going to cut a group and fire everyone they will typically ask its senior managers if they're interested in a management buyout instead so people can keep their jobs, which is what happened with SLEE

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>>28303137
VShojo's main appeal to them is to be able to provide them some assistance and management while still giving their talents a good of freedom.
Though Froot started off as basically nothing so that does show it can you give you a bunch of viewers and help you grow if you're starting from nothing.

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>>28303075
>>28303137
>>28303192
What exactly are you arguing here? That 5k average viewership is not good?

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>>28303250
for ex coco and rushia? no.
for an indie? yes.

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>>28303217
Anyone can, to be fair. At this point i bet either Matsuri, Haato, or even Mel is already prepping to jump from the sinking ship.

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>>28303250
I think you're arguing past each other
Vshojo's current business model (streamers do whatever, company sells t-shirts) cannot get them within light years of competing with Cover or Anycolor financially, which in turn means they have less money for projects
This does not mean the individual members can't be popular streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>28303250
It's not that great financially and its especially bad for corporate. Vshojo won't be able to financially support if all their new talents run such low numbers. That view counts does in a way translate to how much merch will sell.

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>>28301458
Vei would be the anti-vax one.

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>>28300058
The next time I see a Vshoujofag saying VShoujo is not a corpo I'll rape the shit out of them Yes including Kson herself

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>>28303311
The tradeoff is that the talents themselves will have to pay and work on projects themselves (though I imagine they can ask vshojo for help).
Like Ironmouse gets a shitload of different models. Obviously that's coming from her pocket financially.

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>>28303250
5k is fine, it just isn't competitive with the big dogs. Companywide average is an entirely meaningless statistic that misses out so many factors. But that doesn't even matter, cause the big streamers are a necessity. Not everyone needs ridiculous numbers, but you need a few which also tends to benefit the smaller ones that are filling in niches.

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>>28302976
>Sure is, most Holos are about 3-6k live viewers on average, and Niji they get anywhere from 100 to 5k viewers on an average livestream.
Go into the numbers thread with this line and try not to get laughed out of there. That's how wrong your premise is.

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>>28303366
>a Vshoujofag saying VShoujo is not a corpo
None of us have said this

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>>28303315
>It's not that great financially and its especially bad for corporate.
lol
Luxiem's average is 5k ccv and they're the darlings of Nijisanji currently, to the point management forced the JP livers to force them into Koshien just to shill them.
Anything above like 1k ccv is pretty solid for a corporate vtuber. Hololive has very abnormal growth due to their box effect, most vtubers don't have that walled garden ecosystem to crutch on.

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>>28300769
>EN
JP could be different
HoloJP and NijiJP can collab but their EN branch can't

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>>28303438
>just go into the worst thread on the board

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>>28300212
Even if this guy is good, but I doubt he can fix shithole and shitty talents like Vshojos.

Even best cook in the world can't deal with rotten cooking materials.

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>>28303467
Personally I think the only collab restrictions that are gonna happen is that kson/nazuna won't be able to collab with holo, but any other jp vshojo members in the future could in theory

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>>28303572
Kson will probably be fine. Nazuna will be radioactive though.

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>>28303244
It's crazy how far you guys will go to make up narratives to paint Anycolor in a bad light. Ignoring what is infront of you to make up your own headcannon that sounds worse than the reality. The guy is literally fist bumping with the CEO while saying its a mutually beneficial decision that they are both on board with for the announcement. Meanwhile you somehow try to spin that as the guy he is fist bumping forced him to buy the project on threat of being fired along with everyone else on the project. Let just also ignore that the guy moved between projects within Anycolor at least 3 times while he was there instead of being fired, like he wouldn't have been able to just go back to a position somewhere else within the company of course he would have. He just wanted to continue working on the idol project.

[Anonymous No.]

If we're really having an all-out-war, can we get VSPO involved in this? How about Phase Connect? Pippa's probably raring to shout racial slurs at everyone

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>>28303563
>Even best cook in the world can't deal with rotten cooking materials.
But he's the one picking the ingredients?

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>>28303457
>Luxiem's average is 5k ccv
Yes, there bigger content can also hit 20-50k. Well not as often now but still they have potential. That's where they showed real value not their normal streams that do alright. Why are you obsessed with average? It isn't useful for comparison. You can hit a similar average with wildly different numbers. CCV also rarely lines up directly with supas and other stuff so it is more complicated with that anyway.

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>>28303572
I don't see why Holo would ban Kson from collabs? I thought they still have a good relationship with her and they obviously don't have any Chinese fans left that would be offended by it. Unless they're genuinely that scared of Chinese spambots they'll blacklist her for life just to appease the bugs.

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>>28303639
Anon, I did not say anything controversial there, that's just how corporations work
They're obviously not going to let a MBO happen if they think that part of the business is worth keeping
Obviously it happens on good terms because it's an outcome both parties are satisfied with (company sheds a group it doesn't want, management of that group get to keep doing the thing they still personally believe will work)

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>>28301528
>She said on stream she will not join a company
"Doesn't have any plan to join a corpo at the moment."

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>>28303650
THERE ARE rotten ingredients in the kitchen ALREADY. Which determines the overall atmosphore and result. Even the rest of ingredient is good, it can't be saved. (Not just Vshojo's talents are bad, the management is notorious too)

Hololive is the reverse example. It has a lot of good ingredients, even if there are several rotten materials (Coco, Rushia), they are still influenced by overall environment.

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>>28303755
So we have gone from
>SLEE failed and he was forced to resign, but you must remember he is the one who helped to build Nijisanji from the scratch, and this proved that Anycolor is a shit company that only cares about profit.
to
>it was a mutually beneficial decision made on good terms by both parties

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>>28302410
> Reine's streams, for example, no longer have the Streamlabs link after 6/28.
anon, are you blind or retarded?

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>>28301601
i'm searching through the archives, if it was a membership stream, cover deleted those 3 months after she graduated. people were using what she said as coco as proof that kson wouldn't join vshojo, pretty much as soon as she graduated

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>>28303666
People assume Kson is banned from collabs because Kson hasn't collabed with a Holo once since she left. The fact that she's done some stuff with their roommate accounts would also suggest that it isn't due to the Holos being unwilling. Obviously nothing has been confirmed (and due to the nature of corporations and PR, nothing will ever been confirmed)

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>Iwanaga is the bad guy
The world is not black & white, you are so simple minded.

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>>28303864
No? You just have no reading comprehension
All I said was when a MBO happens it's because the company was going to kill off that group otherwise. This doesn't even imply they'd have fired him, they'd probably find him another job somewhere internally

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>>28303644
vspo should be involved
throwing around black company lightly when vspo is owned by brave just looks stupid

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>>28302695
Imagine the chink seethe if they had Kson and Kerin.

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>>28303920
Honestly, maybe under a corpo now it might be more possible she collabs with a Holo again.
She can just let VShojo deal with all those behind the scenes shit to get those collabs.

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>>28303938
I'm literally quoting you in that post. I don't know what to say when you are now denying what you were just saying a few posts previous was even said. Here is another a few posts ago he was going to be fired like everyone at Yumenographia.
>Management buyouts only happen at corps when the alternative is them cutting that group and firing everyone. He'd be in the same spot as everyone working on Yumenographia if he hadn't found financing somewhere to buy them out instead
now
>This doesn't even imply they'd have fired him

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>>28303395
The obvious downside here is the quantity and quality of stuff each member gets is proportionate to how much they personally earn
For now this more or less works because they're only picking up the biggest of big indies, but there's obviously a ceiling on that, and I have questions about how it works if they start debuting new talent

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>>28303918
Thats a whole year apart, a lot can change during that time, also on her mind she might have been thinking of Japanese companies.

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>>28304103
>everyone that reply to me is the same person
anon....

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>>28303457
>Luxiem's average is 5k ccv and they're the darlings of Nijisanji currently, to the point management forced the JP livers to force them into Koshien just to shill them.
LMAO yeah anon, sure, that's why Mysta wasn't picked by anyone even though hes the most popular.
>>28302976
Its more from 200 to 30k. If its only JP ofc.

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>>28304103
I didn't say they fired everyone at Yumenographia anon. I assume most of the people working on it internally besides the actual talent just got moved somewhere else in the company

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>>28303881
Not up to me to figure out why she's retarded and leaves it off half of her streams.

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>>28304170
>That's what I said anon, when a corp is going to cut a group and fire everyone they will typically ask its senior managers if they're interested in a management buyout instead so people can keep their jobs, which is what happened with SLEE
You never said they were going to fire him and everyone at SLEE right and he was forced into a buyout the changed your tune and agreed with me that it was a mutually beneficial decision made on good terms when I showed you it was bullshit. Holy shit you are terrible at this.

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>>28304117
>and I have questions about how it works if they start debuting new talent
It wouldn't. Their business model basically forces them to only go for really big people. If they hired someone small that can't move merch or get big sponsorships, they won't see a dime from them.
The only way I can see them risking betting on talented yet small streamers is if their contract also mandated a SC cut like in the other big corpos.

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>>28304274
I think at some point in the reply chain the original anon you were replying to left and you started talking to someone else. Not me, I'm just lurking

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>>28304324
And you decided to start arguing against the guy you agreed with instead of against the guy you didn't agree with?

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>>28304304
They've already pretty much exhausted the pool of indies who are big enough for their model to work and conceivably interested in joining them, though
If they're taking investment and hiring producers they must have some sort of strategy beyond selling shirts for the group of people they have right now

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>>28301958
If they actually manage to get Lulu in I would fucking shit on Vshoujofags since their beloved "not company" is actually getting a real ex idol

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>>28304147
kson herself is probably still aware of what she said a year ago, which is why she did that whole stream where she explains joining vshojo doesn't make her corporate

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>>28304356
Do you have autism?
Are you new here?
Anon is just trying to discuss with you and you have to be rude and insult him for no reason.

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>>28304410
If they just got an idol producer for real I wonder if they plan to hire some big vsingers/utaites and actually fund a 3d concert or something like that.

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>>28303491
>>28302976
Here, let me save you a bit of time and sanity, then
>>28302976
>most Holos are about 3-6k live viewers on average.
HoloJP has a median of 11k in the last 30 days and an average of 11.2k in July. Even HoloEN, who was highly culled, had an average of 9.8k.
"Most Holos" have way more than "3-6k live viewers on average". If VShojoJP wants to compete, their numbers should be around 7-8k at least (slightly below HoloJP's median / average, but not too far behind).

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>>28304418
Kson is the only person on the planet that buys the "not a corpo" thing. None of the vshoujofags here think like that.

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>>28300058
>coco
>rushia
>iwawa
i hope this is not just some ambitious project

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>>28304356
Uhh anon?
>Not me, I'm just lurking
My only other post here was
>>28302367

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>>28304593
>If VShojoJP wants to compete, their numbers should be around 7-8k at least (slightly below HoloJP's median / average, but not too far behind).
On her most recent public stream (which was a guerrilla) and despite being shadow banned on YouTube for months (she mentioned this today on a tweet), Mikeneko managed to pull in 7-8k, so I imagine she'll do fine once she gets back into the rhythm of streaming. I am aware that Kson's numbers are a bit lower, though.

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>>28300058
So Vshojo is becoming the Epic Games of corpos? This must be where the venture capital is going.

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>>28303644
>If we're really having an all-out-war, can we get VSPO involved in this?
If they manage to get the talents mentioned >>28300812 . That would put them at VSP0 tier . They would need more to get ti Ichikara and Hololive levels but tha VSP0-tier right out of the gate is a pretty damn good start

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>>28302459
They only take a cut from merch that was produced specifically through Vshojo, the girls still get all the money from merch they have that didn't involve Vshojo.

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>>28304548
This is the sort of thing where their "group of indies with an assistant" model falls on its face. Concerts are very expensive, and you need almost all of the money upfront. How do you fund it without playing favorites given that the various participants would have widely varying ability to invest in it?

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>>28300293
https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/287614/japanese-pornstar-trio-forms-k-pop-idol-group-debuting-march/
They are aiming for the VTuber versino of this, then?

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>>28303661
>Why are you obsessed with average?
average or median is much better criteria than individual streams botted by chinks

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>>28302134
>Both companies take 50% after YT's cut.
Not sure about Niji, but the 50% is not absolute, some talents could negotiate the rate up to 60% (company took 40%). IIRC, Pekora got 60%
>Holos aren't allowed to use Streamlabs.
Anonchama...do you forget about HoloID?
>Both also take a cut from merch sales I believe it's also 50% there as well.
Stop making up shit
No one knows how much both companies take from merch

Also a reminder
Sponsorships>merch>donations
Cover and Anycolor are obviously not a saint, but VShoujo is obviously ain't one as well
At the end of the day, it's a company and company's main goal is always to make profit no matter what slogan they used to brainwash you

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>>28304976
Online-only concerts wouldn't cost anywhere nearly as much, though. It'll be just a matter of finding a 3D studio for it

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>>28304665
Then who the fuck has been shitting up the board for the past two weeks calling everyone that doesn't kneel to "talent freedom" a corporate bootlicker? Who keeps arguing that Vshojo doesn't count as a "corporation" despite being registered as one because they act like a talent agency? Are you saying that isn't actually Vshojo fans? Because it sure as shit isn't Hololive fans shitting on their own faces and Nijisanji is nobody to be pointing fingers either. Are you now claiming it was all some foreign party that doesn't like any of them? Was it an evil shadow organization of indies out to get everyone?

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>>28305163
You must be aware that a majority of the posts here are just baiting (Yous). Get your head out of your tribalistic ass for one second and realise you're being played like a fiddle daily.

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>>28301578
Ah yes, the Chinese Cover office that was handled by... Bilibili...
Learn how business with China works before prattling.

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>>28302134
>Both also take a cut from merch sales I believe it's also 50% there as well.
Not always true. That might be true with "normal" merchs (i.e: birthday). However, several Holos (i.e: Lamy) have talked about a kind of merch which is funded fully by Holo members themselves (with Cover only working as sort of consultant / manager). In exchange, Holo members get most of the profit from that kind of merch, while Cover only gets a minimal cut.

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>>28305131
Those are still very expensive anon.
You need a mocap studio for at least a few days (and live is more expensive if you don't pre-record everything)
You need to pay to license any non-original songs
If you don't want it to be shit you'll need a bunch of production staff and a professional choreographer for weeks, and they're going to be contractors since the business model precludes having them on staff full time just in case someone decides to DIY a concert

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>>28305297
>live is more expensive if you don't pre-record everything
Nobody does legit live concerts. Not even Nijisanji who have an advanced tech of their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28305210
I watch Hololive, Nijisanji, Phase Connect, Prism Project, Production Kawaii and Tsunderia. If not watching whores makes me a tribalist I'll wear that title like a badge of honor.

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>>28305354
Paid events from the big corps have all still been fully live even through coof restrictions anon, they're held to a different standard to something like a birthday stream

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>>28305397
Wear whatever batch you want. Just know that every time you sperg out, someone will come along and call you a corporate bootlicker because you've made it so obvious that it gets under your skin and the dopamine hit from (You)s is too intense for faggots here to ignore.

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Big events like Virtual to Live are certainly prerecorded because the stakes are much higher. Why would you even risk technical mishaps and perform live, what's the difference/benefit?

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>>28305614
forgot to tag >>28305481

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>>28300058
Does anyone on this board even remember Iwaiwa?
I thought most Nijifags were at /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28305397
But you are watching whores???

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301627
look up what a 'buzzword' means.

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>>28305614
AZKi literally had a song interrupted by an earthquake once
Having people find out that a concert they paid for was pre-recorded without that being disclosed would be far worse than someone flubbing a line or fucking up the choreography (which happens at least once almost every time)

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>>28301803
> Remember how nobody in Hololive can collab with NijiEN?
> Ollie <--> Gundou = OK
> Ollie <--> Selen = NO!
> HoloEN <--> literal 2views, ex friends, other corpos = OK
> Mori calls in directly to Zentreya stream = OK
> Kiara sends Video message to Pomu = OK
> Pomu wants to show it on stream = NO!
Blame NijiEN management for that.

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>>28305163
>Then who the fuck has been shitting up the board for the past two weeks calling everyone that doesn't kneel to "talent freedom" a corporate bootlicker?
SEAnigger shitposters. They raid the vshojo general too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28305116
>Pekora got 60%
[citation needed]
??????????
This things are NOT ALLOWED to be mentioned by the talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>28305882
>HoloEN <--> literal 2views, ex friends, other corpos = OK
Then why hasn't there been an Ame x Silvervale collab? They were close friends before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28301266
She's going on a roadtrip to "find herself"

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>>28305995
Were they? I know she rigged a model for her but I thought that was end of it.

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>>28305397
>Not watching whores
>Those companies
Oh nononono

[Anonymous No.]

>>28305995
You would have to ask them, Bae just did one with Miori Celesta less than a week ago

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>>28302657
While that seems fair my question then would be how much help does vshoujo give when they fund their own merch? Equally important is that when they have a bunch of vshoujo merch it makes it much harder for them to make any money off of merch they fund themselves. Realistically funding their own merch is likely not a very worth endeavour because it won't make that much money vs the stuff vshoujo puts out because the market will be saturated already with merch for themselves. So while it seems nice at a glance underneath the deal seems pretty hostile to the girls making money.

I'm working under assumptions here that vshoujo actively sells a bunch of merch for their girls. I have no idea what merch they sell or the quantities but I assume it'd be pretty saturated as they need to make money somehow.

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>>28305995
Because they have no interest in doing so? Have common sense and develop critical thinking skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28306026
Ame was a mod in her channel. The answer is that they just don't want to, btw. Ame probably knows her mentally ill gosling fanbase wouldn't like it.

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>>28301821
I think VShojoJP is basically just KSon's plaything now.
They kissed her ass so much and she got away with getting free money to build a corpo that fits her ideals, while the other party is satisfied as long as they can put the name "VShojo" in there somewhere to show off to their clueless investors.

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>>28305163
>corporation" despite being registered as one because they act like a talent agency
Only newfags whose sole knowledge of vshojo comes from an out of context screenshot of an hour long presentation by kson who asked people beforehand to not clip it so they could get the full picture, who have used it as a single-minded gotcha to make kson look like a hypocrite because vshojo is indeed a company and everybody knows that
aka not vshojofags

[Anonymous No.]

>>28305990
not that anon but all I know about their cuts is Lamy mentioning that they can negotiate better terms during contract renewal, including their cut, and that some big earners have already done this

[Anonymous No.]

>>28303453
and the gaslighting has begun

[Anonymous No.]

>>28306210
I know this, I just wanna know how that anon knows the exact cut/percentage, even Matsuri has said the exact figure/ratio cannot be disclosed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28306210
Also worth noting she said this early last year, and at this point everyone except HoloID gen 3 has renewed their contract at least once

[Anonymous No.]

>>28306147
>>28306168
Holocope. They are clearly blocking it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302406
止まらないホロライブ!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302383
Who knows, maybe they will win and go to kaiserreich timeline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28303217
Lulu just announced her Live2D and she's not as much of a menhera as Michael Cat so... unlikely

[Anonymous No.]

>>28306293
Likely just a logical guess since that would be the next step above 50

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302406
>step out of line and we'll fire you ass?
I remember the time Towa, Pekora, Marine and Miko were fired. Cover is such a black company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28304304
Which made me questioned the "talent first" slogan which one of the "pros" is the talent owning the character
By that logic, anything related to the character (the design, rigging, etc) should be paid by the talent themselves
So tell me how tf some small indies can afford that? Kson can only go around with her "talents first" because she has the money in the first place
What about the small indies? Did she expect the company to pay for the character but the talent get to owned the character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300279
Nijishojo has been a fan nickname for atleast half a year for Vshojo and Nijibros since they collab so often. Niji pretty commonly pop in to Mouses stream announced since she has an open call for anyone to join and lets any of her friends join whenever they want.

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>>28305995
Ame has never acknowledged her on stream.
PL shit doesn't matter, as Bae-Miori shows (and that was a fucking OFFCOLLAB btw).
If a talent wants to collab, they can.
Ame clearly doesn't want to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28306538
the possibility of management restriction

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300293
The talent freedom to do idolshit, and when you do idolshit you need people to help you run it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28306508
It's easier to go "talents first" when your talents were juggernauts before even joining yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28306508
>What about the small indies?
She doesn't think about them. She isn't capable of it because its been a very very long time since she has counted as a small indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28300642
Except AEW always does absolutely abysmal numbers and the talent the produced are generally only known by hardcore wrestling fans while the more mainstream audience, what's left of it anyway in wrestling doesn't know them. I say this as vshojofag as well so I think it's a rather strange comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302976
>most Holos are about 3-6k live viewers on average
sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>28305990
Damn
Sorry I must have been remembering things wrong
This anon would be more accurate >>28306210

[Anonymous No.]

>>28302144
I remember him getting involved with an online investigation and taunting a swatter, saying that he helped catch him, to which the swatter replied a day after "lol I'm still here you retarded gay nigger" while playing minecraft and making fun of him and posting voicelips of nux, once again proving why you should never actually come out with anything until an investigation is over and the culprit is caught because it compromises the entire thing, emboldens the person, and they get away and think they're invincible.

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>>28306775
I didn't know it was that dire for nijigirls. I wonder if there will be legit poaching going on. Imagine if Rosemi completes her tour by joining vshojoJP.