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28255097 No.28255097 [Reply] [Original]

So what's really the advantage on being with a corpo anyways?

I thought independence was way more beneficial

>> No.28257989

The corpo is the reason you even know and care about your OP picture, anon.

>> No.28258001

>>28255097
Imagine this. You are Good Smile Company product manager. You want to do partnership to make new Nendroid. You saw this 1M vtuber that are fairly popular, but nobody can vouch for her. Nobody can ensure that she will not implode within a month or so and stranded the IP rights of her lookalike, and therefore the product. Product development is on the span of months, and they are taking pre-orders to help finance at least part of it so if they are cancelled, then they are fucked. Just see Rushia's case, all her products that are currently in development still go ahead because her IP rights belong to Cover, even though it will never be re-issued.

That's just one example. Basically without you being corpo AKA bound by the rules they are playing in, there is no guarantee for the other side that she will not suddenly disappear and the other side cannot have recourse. No matter how much you want to trust "her character", its still quite a leap. Especially when she might even need to negotiate with someone who don't know who is she. 1M subs are big, but its still puddle compared to say, Pewdiepie.

Basically being part of a corpo gives her sort of legitimacy. She can now put her business card as "I'm Kson from Vshojo" compared to "I'm Kson"

>> No.28258106

>>28255097
Being with Vshojo? Nothing.

>> No.28258179
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>>28258106
the ability for kson and mike to do picrel is more than worth it

>> No.28258222

>>28255097
More credible, higher income, more supports (yes, even as bad as /vt/ made them out to be, Holo and Niji supports for their members are way better than what indies get) and usually, more viewers

>> No.28258381

>>28255097
In theory, corpos can handle behind-the-scenes stuff.
Business connections, various protections like legal stuff, financial support, legally required benefits, all that stuff.

I say in theory because they can still fuck up. (See: Activ8)

>> No.28258652

She got scammed two times dealing with merch, she needs help.
https://youtu.be/nKH8rUY5phM
https://youtu.be/rh7fphNb-9c
she's also bad with tech, her sony a9000 irl streams still looks like 480p and she doesn't know how to enable auto-focus.

>> No.28258892

>>28255097
Branding especially in this industry is important. If you want a future in the larger entertainment industry (particulary in Japan), corporate is really your only chance to break into the industry. Advertisers prefer to deal with corporations instead of individual talent, plus you can pull a salary even when you're not working.

>> No.28261389

>>28258892
/vt/ just doesn't understand, you can have opinions about vshojo, you might like them or don't, but in the end they are corporation, and Japs especially like to make deals with corpo rather than individual, like you said brand is all, it's easier to move on entertainment industry if you are backed by corpo, and vshojo model just suits her, she can do whatever she wants and if she wants corporate backing she has it.

>> No.28264509

>>28255097
Pros of being independent: No rules, no one to answer to (Outside of the platform itself/the law), greater creative freedom, get to own your character/creations, get full profits from your business

Pros of being with a corporation: Stability, support network, access to greater resources, and as >>28258001 said, legitimacy. Even in independent minded societies, people would rather deal with a group with an established reputation than an independent, and this likely goes double for Japan.

Both have their cons of course, but everything is going to have a trade off. If you like Kson then I would say I'm sure she weighed her decision carefully and chose whichever was best for her.

>> No.28264653

The ability to do porn on screen and have some poor intern go through the headache of getting the channel back up.

>> No.28264835

>>28255097
Kson tried to merch, failed, hired a manager to do the paperwork and only then everything worked out; people that play video games for a living aren't smart to run a business alone.

>> No.28265812

>>28264509
>get to own your character/creations, get full profits from your business
kson keeps these btw

>> No.28265868

>>28264653
man I almost want to see what the version of vshojo you anti spergs have in your head would look like

>> No.28266062

>>28258001
>Just see Rushia's case, all her products that are currently in development still go ahead because her IP rights belong to Cover, even though it will never be re-issued.
I thought Cover cancelled all her shit and had to pay back all the preorders on her goods.

>> No.28266083

>>28265812
I would argue she made an incredible deal then. Having a corporate partnership to access resources and have staff/legal teams handle things for you AND getting to keep ownership of your IP and any money you make in the backend is HUGE. There's a reason Michael Jackson died with a $500 million estate and George Lucas was able to sell Star Wars for billions while most of their contemporaries went broke. They owned the rights to their respective IPs, and merchandising residuals alone was making Lucas rich. While not on the same level, money wise, Kson probably has a lot more leverage in her relationship with Vshojo since she can always threaten to take her IP and walk.

>> No.28266161

>>28265812
So Vshojo is a non-profit organization?

>> No.28266188

>>28266083
CL went up in flames like that. It doesn't work.

>> No.28266287

>>28266062
No. They allowed people to cancel orders and offered people refunds if they wanted them. It wasn't just Rushia merch, they made this offer for people who had already bought tickets for 3rd fes too IIRC.

>> No.28266497

>>28264509
>No rules, no one to answer to (Outside of the platform itself/the law), greater creative freedom, get to own your character/creations, get full profits from your business
thats pretty much what Vshojo is offering to them
>You have all the freedom we just take profit from merch
and as far we know Vshojo is free to do anything including involvement themselves in alot of drama without the company interfering

>> No.28266718

>>28265812
>get full profits from your business
I thought Vshoujo get the rights to merch

>> No.28266863

>>28266718
they only get a cut on the merch they help produce, the chuubas can also have their own independent merch made if they want, a couple of them still have independent stores

>> No.28267013

>>28266062
>>28266287
If you look on ebay.jp Rushia's birthday goods are selling for 3x.

>> No.28267062

Reminder that everything is heresy with regards to business practices because my dad works for vshojo and he says this is all bullshit.

>> No.28267338

>>28264835
>hired a manager
To be fair, the term "manager" here is more like a cross between an agent and an assistant.

>> No.28267736

>>28258652
Haha, stupid bitch. So much for the independent business woman, she seems like the type to get her discord account stolen

>> No.28267865

>>28255097
Vshojo isn't the same kind of corporation, they still own their shit and don't have a fuckton of rules to follow, plus they can get sponsorships and merch rights easier.

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