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You could not live with western vtuber culture. Where did that bring you? Back to me.

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>>28222675
Japanese is too hard to learn

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>>28222675
How do I start Milord?!

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>>28222837
>>28222855
You can definitely start learning Japanese by watching JP streams. You can get a lot farther than you think with very little actual study. And it's fun!
Starting out is actually really easy. Just three easy steps!

1) Memorize the kana: hiragana and katakana in that order.
These are the basic Japanese alphabets. They're comprised of 46 symbols each, but they share the same 46 sounds which are very easy to learn because you can arrange them in a 10x5 grid + "n" (five spots are either obsolete or aren't used). Hiragana is used for Japanese words, while katakana is used for foreign words. The two alphabets basically looks like this:
A, I, U, E, O
Ka, Ki, Ku, Ke, Ko
Sa, Shi, Su, Se, So
Ta, Chi, Tsu, Te, To
Na, Ni, Nu, Ne, No
Ha, Hi, Fu, He, Ho
Ma, Mi, Mu, Me, Mo
Ya,Yu, Yo
Wa,Wo
Ra, Ri, Ru, Re, Ro
n

The five vowel sounds are A - "ah" as in car, I - "ee" as in bee, U - "oo" as in too, E - "eh" as in met, and O - "oh" as in row.
The kana ん/ン (n) is only found at the end of words.
One of the nice things about Japanese is everything is read how it's written. There are three exceptions which involve grammar particles:
は (ha) is pronounced "wa" when used as a particle, を (wo) is pronounced "o" when used as a particle, and へ (he) is pronounced "e" when used as a particle. It's easy to tell when to read them this way because they will appear by themselves after a word or kanji.

You can use the respective Wikipedia page for each alphabet to study.
Here's a decent matching game you can play in your browser to learn hiragana and katakana:
https://ohelo.github.io/usagi-chan/hiragana/
https://ohelo.github.io/usagi-chan/katakana/
I also recommend writing them multiple times in a notebook (with the correct stroke order) while you're learning, but it's up to you.
Animations of the stroke orders can be found here:
https://yosida.com/en/hiragana.html
https://yosida.com/en/katakana.html

2) Learn the dakuten, handakuten, sokuon, and choonpu marks and the digraphs(yōon),
I know that sounds intimidating but this is even easier than the first step because you don't have to memorize any new symbols.
These things are basically just ways to modify some of the above 46 sounds.
The dakuten is basically just a little ゛ mark that's added to hiragana and katakana that start with K, S, T, or H to change their sound to a voiced consonant.
All it does is change the sound from K to G, S to Z, T to D, and H to B. The exception is it changes shi to ji, chi to ji, and tsu to dzu.
For example, ka to ga: か -> が. That's it.
The handakuten is similar. It's a little ゜ mark that's added to hiragana and katakana that start with H to change the sound from H to P.
For example, ha to pa: は -> ぱ. That's it.
The sokuon mark is just a small tsu character (っ or ッ) that's silent and makes the next consonant sound doubled. This can be a bit difficult to write out so search for sukuon on google to hear how it's used. https://www.learn-japanese-adventure.com/what-are-sokuon-and-long-vowels.html
For example, かこ (kako, two syllables) becomes かっこ (kakko, three syllables).
The chōonpu mark is just a line (ー) that indicates you double the previous vowel sound. In hiragana, you just add another vowel to indicate the vowel sound is doubled, but with katakana, you use the chōonpu mark.
For example, "haa" in hiragana is はあ, but in katakana it's ハー.
The Yōon is also easy and intuitive. They're basically just a combination of ki, shi, chi, ni, hi, mi or ri with a small version of ya, yu, or yo. The purpose of this is to make the combined sound one syllable instead of two.
For example, りゆ (riyu) would normally be two syllables, but りゅ (ryu) is only one.
Finally, you can combine the dakuten or handakuten mark with yōon that start with ki, shi, chi, or hi to make the associated versions of that sound.
So for example, きゅ (kyu) becomes ぎゅ (gyu). Or ひゃ (hya) becomes ぴゃ (pya).
With this you will now be able to read any Japanese without kanji.

3) Install a Chrome or Firefox extension like rikaikun
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rikaikun/jipdnfibhldikgcjhfnomkfpcebammhp?hl=en
This will let you hover over kanji and it will show a pop up with the reading in Hiragana and the definition in English. I use this to learn new words when they get spammed in chat by Japanese users. JPniki often repeat the streamer by typing what they say in chat. If you hover over chat often enough, you'll begin to learn a lot of new vocab in a short amount of time in a way that doesn't feel like studying.

And that's it!
Keep in mind, you won't really learn grammar this way, but Japanese grammar isn't that difficult and can be learned later.
You will begin to quickly and easily increase your vocab, which is arguably the hardest and most boring part of learning a new language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28222855
Getting started AT ALL is actually more important than the strategy. Kana is easy, so there's no reason not to start there. There's so many guides it's hard to recommend one over another.
However, if you want to learn for a JP vtuber, you don't need to go all-in on learning a gorillion kanji. It's important, but you can take any guide and focus on knowing perfect kanji 25% less, as long as you kind-of-mostly remember the pronunciation and meaning. Use that 25% extra effort to learn some grammar and mix in more listening immersion. You learned to speak your first language by listening to people, picking up words in a spoken context, and the same is true of a second language.
Be aware that casual spoken grammar can deviate from more "textbook" styles. By the time you've gotten beyond a beginner level, you'll understand what I mean anyway when you're listening to your oshi.

Here's just one guide.
There are dozens and dozens of them.
Just fucking get started.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/learnmain.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>28222915
To be honest I know some symbols, I don't differentiate between hira and katakana. I know some Japanese words and their conjugations give me an idea of what they mean, for example "tabidachi no hi" would it mean "farewell day" or something like that?
I know only a couple of kanjis, it's very difficult to memorize them.
I would like to know what is necessary to know what my oshi talks about her day to day...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28222675
Pass. The law of this world is cuck or get cucked, and JPwhores are even more out of reach. I'd rather play warcraft.

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>>28222675
Who this cutie

[Anonymous No.]

>>28224002
Dekin Ai

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>>28222915
>The kana ん/ン (n) is only found at the end of words.
uhhhhhhh....

[Anonymous No.]

>>28223763
>I would like to know what is necessary to know what my oshi talks about her day to day...
Even if you're being lazy about learning kanji, and just want to look up words that you hear, knowing the kana is 100% essential, as is knowing basic grammar forms. If you hear a spoken word and need to look it up, you need to...
(1) Know how to break it out of its grammatical components: Strip out the actual "word" you heard from the particles around it, or the conjugation bits from verbs (removing politeness bits, and parts that make it past tense, etc.).
(2) Then you need to AT LEAST type a few guesses into a dictionary. Knowing the kana is essential for this.
(3) Then you'll be greeted by a bunch of kanji, because Japanese is full of homophones. It might be obvious which word is meant from the context, it might not. Kanji starts to become useful to remember words in the long term. You will start to make connections across different words, and "guessing" at new vocab that you hear becomes easier.

>>28224002
She is Dekinai-chan.
She is the one who challenges you to learn Japanese.
You must rise to the challenge, or she will keep smiling smugly at you.

[Anonymous No.]

nevermind kanji, what do i do if grammar is filtering me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28224479
read more

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>>28224479
Grammar sucks, and it's hard to know which one will pay off when investing time into them. People have game-ified kanji so well that it's easy to say "I've learned X more than last week!" whereas grammar, you think you've learned it, but then you still miss it when listening. At least I had that issue. Mixing written guides with audio or video guides from the same topic helped. Take a grammar form, read about it, then see if you can find a video guide on it. Unfortunately there is a lot of garbage video content, so you have to do a little digging to find a decent one sometimes.
Make your own little playlist and revisit across time them the same way people learn and revisit kanji.

https://guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
https://www.youtube.com/c/taekimjapanese/videos
https://www.imabi.net/beginnersi.htm

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>>28222915
Does stroke order really matter? It seems a little arbitrary.

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>>28226023
Stroke order matters culturally.
To someone who mostly reads online, types, and listens, it has one major use to you: When you are trying to learn a kanji that you can see, but cannot copy+paste, you have the option of looking it up with radicals, or by drawing it. Many of the programs that let you draw it won't recognize anything unless done in the proper stroke order.
The alternative is learning the radicals, which also takes work, but probably less? If you don't care about writing, maybe invest time in those instead.

Stroke order isn't too bad, though.
There is a pattern and logic to it, so once you have even a little experience, about 90% of the time you can guess the stroke order. If you learn the radicals by writing them, even better, because that 90% will go up to 95%.

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>>28222837
Do you know there are retards in JP too?
If they can learn JP, so can you.

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>>28222675
based
bring back /djt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>28222915
The browser extension for kanji is a good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine learning japanese just because you can't stand a male being on screen lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>28234057
Better than just malding into the void like most of this board.