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How does a tech company get outdone by fuckin' indies and literal whos?

>> No.27916216
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Call me when shylilyfes happens with AR on the level of holo's.

>> No.27916365

>>27915993
Its so bad that even haachama was fawning over ironmouse’s model

>> No.27916450

>>27916216
What shitty 3d comparable to a low tier mmd, we can’t forget how ocver fucked up gura’s model or how the completely forgot irys

>> No.27917055

>>27916216
Ame is already doing concerts on her own tho. If she was indie she would be able to set that up for Lily.

>> No.27917213

>>27915993
the problem is jap work culture. even a presumably more liberal and lax company like cover is likely to be quite inept and slow to innovate

>> No.27917686

>>27917213
This is why Vshojo is even more of a threat. Say what you want about the Traitor but she's very competent at management. Heck that's the reason why she applied to Cover in the first place.

>> No.27917810

Why spend money improving when idiots will throw money at them anyway?

>> No.27917823

>>27915993
>tech company
They just larp as one because they made a face tracking app a couple of years ago. Not too different from a kid that believes he's a hacker because he made a phyton script once.
A real tech company would be aware that if you don't keep improving on your software you will eventually fall behind other companies making similar products, which is exactly what's happening to them. They probably haven't touched their app in 2 or 3 years while free alternatives have updates that add functionality almost monthly.
Look at all the other "cutting edge" tech products cover has made: Hololy, Error, Holoearth. Nothing any autist with some unity knowledge couldn't replicate and even improve on.

>> No.27917850

>>27916216
What the heck happened to Veibei anyway? Is Shylily really that good to cause so much seething from Vshojo fandom?

>> No.27917877

>>27917810
Anon literally nobody throws money at any girl in any company because they're impressed by their tech...

>> No.27917952

>>27915993
>outdone by fuckin' indies and literal whos?
Ok, name them

>> No.27917955

>>27915993
Japanese autsim

>> No.27917992

>>27915993
That's what happens when your rest on your laurels.

“Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.” – Will Rogers.

>> No.27918166

>>27917952
Any indie using Vtube Studio wipes the floor with cover's shitty proprietary software

>> No.27918257

the only recently implemented 3.0 rght? Wasn’t that rigging implemented last year for indies etc

>> No.27918286
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>>27917213
They aren't just inept anon. They're beyond inept.
They soak up 100's of millions of dollars. And they produce a failed anime project, a failed music project, they hire low quality nepotism people. Most of the vast wealth they have goes to hire nepotism people for incredibly bloated 6-figure salaries, for which they do 3 hours of work per week.

The managers are horrendous and abuse the talents regularly, to the point of crying on stream. They engage in petty backbiting politics, like forcing talents to pay for their own birthdays, restricting their merch,, or their opportunities to appear at certain events, if they don't appease the managers enough. Look how they completely ruined Haachama. Or look what they did to Coco, abusing her into quitting.

Also there are allegations that the more attractive vtubers are getting more preferential treatment for management. Probably some kind of sex-for-favors is going on. Certainly we know of several instances where managers were having sex with the talent, it's probably very common. I think many of the talents would immediately leave if they had a landing pad somewhere else. But they don't, so they're forced to stay and deal with the abuse.

Hololive basically copied everything they did from Nijisanji. So just like Nijisanji they're using their own proprietary app, which unfortunately has atrocious rigging compared to everyone else. Look at the horror show that was Gura's new dress. Or how about Gura's fucked up eyes? Or just Gura's rigging in general?

>> No.27918315

>>27917213
One only have to look at those fanmade Sonic games. The Sonic Mania guys made their own engine and made one of the best Sonic games in decades. Then they were contracted by Sega to remaster all the 2D Sonic games with their retro engine but it ended up in disaster. Not because of the fan-devs but because of Sega and their work culture. Sega won't even let them release a patch to fix the game.

>> No.27918468

>>27918286
meds

>> No.27918474

>>27918286

Nice fanfic, didn't read lol

>> No.27918514

>>27918286
meds or better yet kys.

>> No.27918544

>>27918166
Name them then...you can't

>> No.27918623

>>27915993
indies and literal whos don't have hard deadlines and top down corporate bullshit to sort through and organize

>> No.27918648

wow...indie good...cover bad

>> No.27918680

>Cover let's Shion and Irys get daki's but told Gura no
Yeah fuck them

>> No.27918682
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The time has come for some new FUCKING management.

>> No.27918703

>>27918544
In Vtube Studio you can attach props to the models. You can't do that with Hololive and Nijisanji's software.

>> No.27918816

>>27918286
>Gura's new dress
I always forget how bad this one is.
Cover's main issue is exactly this >>27917992
They will settle for rushed and low quality stuff because it's cheaper and "good enough" to make them money.

>>27918544
Every indie and small corpo is using vtube studio at this point. Go to the catalog and check any stream from a thread that's not hololive or nijisanji related.

>> No.27918833

>>27917850
She is literally better Vei in almost every sense while also not flaunting her bf on stream or being a giant bitch.
I think one anon was telking about how being giant bitch is what makes Vei Vei but I doubt a lot of people attracted to that part of her personality

>> No.27918929

>>27917850
Fuck Lily too. She literally copied Gura's shrimp gimmick

>> No.27918997

>>27915993
you might be a newfag, but they are small indie company
purizu andastand

>> No.27919019
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>>27915993

>> No.27919120

>>27915993
Every their decision need to get through hands of boomers in management and budget committee and considering Japanese workplace culture it may take literal months for every decision to be approved.
Meanwhile small indies can just throw money at things they like, are not limited by some inner politics and have all the freshest things available to them without boomer saying "ehhh we gonna decide in 2 months if this is good enough... or three because Mr.Yamada has vacation and it really must go through his office

>> No.27919188

>>27918816
Vtube Studio has an enquiry-only company license. If Cover or Anycolor were to ask for use, I bet they'd ask for a big cut or more.
With Holo's gen1 3.0 live2Ds, I wonder if they're building up their own capabilities now.

>> No.27919208

>>27918833
This. The only thing Lily does different than Vei is not hating on her fanbase.

>> No.27919331

>>27919120
...exactly why the Traitor is a massive threat.

>> No.27919454

>>27919188
the 3.0's are about where indies were last year so that's progress I guess

>> No.27919532

>muh company wars

>> No.27919534

>>27915993
Only the Live2D 3.0s match anything that Indies have

>> No.27919630

>>27918816
>>27918703
I still don't see any names.

>> No.27919791

>>27919188
Of course, I'm not saying that they should switch to Vtube Studio because it's obvious it would be a money drain for them.
But they should take a hint from what the people working on Vtube Studio are doing (and what features their talents would use the most) and try to do the same. Imagine what creative people like Amelia, Korone or Nene could do with Vtube studio like features.

>> No.27919824

>>27915993

>Imagine your Who's are relying on software to be entertaining instead of their own personalities and creativity.

>> No.27919832

>>27919630
It's a Jap company retard. The moment they say anything about whose manager is abusing them, they're out.

>> No.27919892

>>27919824
HaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH PERSONALITY > HOLOLIVE HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.27920020

>>27919892

ESL cant read as always

>> No.27920055

>>27919832
????

>> No.27920097

>>27919791
Reasonable but unlikely to happen, both cover and anycolor are probably unwilling to invest more on 2d alone since they are also busy developing their 3d software, managing talents, setting up events, and hunting for sponsorship, in this regard they may/will never catch up with vtube studio who can focus all their effort toward 2d.

>> No.27920111

>>27920055
Remember NDAs?

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>>27919832

>Source?

>> No.27920256

>>27920111
The post you replied to is asking about the name of any indie with better 2d not the name of managers who is abusing whoever in your imagination, retard.

>> No.27920313

>>27920111
>asks for indie vtuber names
>replies with some random comment about abuse

>> No.27920380

>>27919832
Still not seeing any names.

>> No.27920429

>>27920380
Artemis has better Live2D rigging than any holo

>> No.27920507

>>27920380
There you have your indies
>>27452655
>>27905887
Need me to link you half of the catalog for small corpos too?

>> No.27920675

>>27920507
so what is special about these?

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>>27920507

>> No.27920779

>>27920429
That's cool. That must bring in a lot of viewers.

>> No.27920818

>>27919019
>criticism of covers
>instantly thinks of Niji
obsessed

>> No.27920846

>>27920779
It does, several thousand in fact.
https://twitter.com/artemisvtuber/status/1546367261027422209?s=21&t=z-QtqjnDsM4cdK_xQWhdog
Just watch this video and if you hate the voice, mute it.

>> No.27920852

>>27920429

As a holofag, she should join Vshojo

>> No.27920912

>>27915993
same reason modders do a better job than devs to Fix shit in games alot of the time

>> No.27920918

>>27915993
how much you guys getting payed to shill these small corpos 24/7?

>> No.27920980

>>27920846
Is 2.3k views good for a 10 second video?

>> No.27921044

>>27920097
I know, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
Betting too much money on your new talent rigging, for example, is too risky when you have 50 of them that need the same treatment, and the talent could be a massive failure that never makes the money back, so there is no way those are gonna improve.
But upgrading the same tech all the talents are using could benefit them a lot, specially if they still want to present themselves as a tech company, because showing outdated tech will only scare most investors away, unless they are clueless boomers like them too, which sadly is a big possibility considering we are talking about Japan.

>> No.27921091

>>27920675
Anon wanted to see vtube studio in action.

>> No.27921167

>>27920918
You do realize posting this in every thread that's not about hololive just makes you look more and more like a threatened schizo right? It's as bad as "[nijinipple/cuckbeat] deflection thread" posters. It looks fucking pathetic and doesn't help your case at all.

>> No.27921183

Holocure
>Done in a year and a half
>Simply scoped, uses already successful gameplay loop
>Released with no fanfare
>Everyone fucking loves it

Alternative
>Done in fucking never
>G-Guys we can totally make a botw/genshin clone for our first game r-right???
>Overly produced teasers
>Everyone stops caring as soon as possible

Arrogant cunts. Any hololive reference will be dated by the time it release, two high profile talent fucked off in the time between first and second teaser, just reeks of the development hell and letdown.

>> No.27921231

>>27921167
shill deflection post

>> No.27921306

>>27921167
>You do realize posting this in every thread that's not about hololive
Yeah why would he post it in this thread that doesn't mention Hololive at all, it boggles the fucking mind.

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Beat this indiekeks

>> No.27921400

>>27920818
>I'm totally not a nijinigger guys but I will seeth when someone calls me out!

>> No.27921436

they never said they were a GOOD tech company

>> No.27921863

>>27917850
No, she's not that good at all, people left Veibae because she went public that she was dating a millionaire streamer. Then she started having more couple streams with him. That pretty much was the last straw for some of her fanbase. So they went to shylilly because she was copying Vei's voice, and to get back at Vei. Even though Lilly has a boyfriend, they cope with the idea with, "at least she doesn't talk about him or stream with him."

>> No.27921922

>>27921863
>Vei has UNICORNS
What?!

>> No.27922015

>>27921863
while yeah some people were probably unicorns, its more likely that most left vei for lily because lily was just a nicer version of vei and vei has aways been a cunt.
boyfriend flanting or not, the better alternative wouldve won out anyway

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trannie discord thread

>> No.27922445

>>27922336
wow trannycord is BASED

>> No.27922747

>>27921922
It's almost like when you stereotype everyone who says "we're okay as long don't bring up your boyfriend on stream" as 'unicorns' and discount them as liars, you're going to lose all the audience that genuinely falls into that grey area to someone else.

>> No.27922937

>>27915993
Tech is overrated. People watch entertaining Vtubers, not those with the best tech.

>> No.27924192

>>27922336
>vox fans acting like 15 year old kpop fans
no surprise there

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