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27487048 No.27487048 [Reply] [Original]

Limitations are what made Coco interesting. Lack of limits make Kson boring.
This is why they aren't the same.

>> No.27488446

>>27487048
OP worded it a little off. But I agree.
Cover imposed PR rep and meeting for Coco's plan. As a result, the ideas were somewhat creative, funny yet maintains some class.

Coco's decent colleagues played a huge part in Coco's success. IF ALL of them are entitled feminist SJW whores messsing around or having fun, nobody wants to watch that shit.

Coco hasn't done a single creative thing after she quitted Hololive. Coco was also an absolutely nobody before Hololive. Which means her ability doesn't mean shit without Hololive. Coco has to work in Hololive environment to create magic.

I personally think "Talent Freedom" for uncreative whores is a bad idea. I'm NOT talking about character IP rights, profit cut ratio and contract details though.

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>>27487048
No refunds.

>> No.27488755

>>27488446
Also being the only one this crude made her quirky in hololive environement, making also the relative "seisoness" of the other more quirky. Coco had a very good synergy with hololive.
Her crudeness, who was funny inside hololive will be nothing but everyday shit within Vshojo.
In this sence actually rushia may be able to create magic within Vshojo though. Cause she will may look like a misfit during streams, a little bit like coco back them.

>> No.27488798

>>27487048
you like minecraft and meme reviews more than indie games and collabs with new people?

>> No.27488909

>>27487048
It's like Top Gear vs Grand Tour. Flirting around the edges of regulation is what made it fun

>> No.27489059

>>27487048
Ok incel

>> No.27489181

>>27487048
Type of nigga to have an obsession with oppressed women in third world countries

>> No.27489241

>>27487048
But she does and will continue to do once she starts collabs with hololive the exact same thing Coco did before the chink infestation

>> No.27489483

>>27488446
Freedom by itself is pointless. You need responsibility and the ability to hold yourself accountable to have freedom benefit you. You need to have a desire to be better, to not just make crude jokes, but actually do something funny. The Problem is we preach too much freedom, and not enough responsibility. This is why restrictions work, they make sure that you can work at your best.

>> No.27489839

>>27488798
>you like minecraft and meme reviews more than indie games and collabs with new people?
Kino mincraft yes, boring ones no.
Coco meme review with my JOP oshi yes.
Collabs with new shitty people hell no. New has no meaning if the content is shitty.

>> No.27490060

>>27488755
Maybe!Rushia only speaks Japanese, the regular girls only speak English. There's not gonna be many collabs that aren't just plain awkward, so don't expect a good chemistry with her.

>> No.27490222

>>27490060
>Rushia only speaks Japanese, the regular girls only speak English.
I thought there will be VshojoJP?

>> No.27490264

>>27487048
I see a scope of limitations as a great boon. Having specific criteria preventing you from reverting to your basest impulses helps prevent over saturation of said impulses. It’s like baking, in a sense.

>> No.27490301

>>27487048
if that was the case asacoco 3.0 would be better than 2.0 and better than 1.0

>> No.27490453

>>27490301
and with that bombshell, this thread should end, cause anything above >>27490301 is just full of shit schizo mumbling

>> No.27490528

>>27489483
>Freedom should come with responsibility
The ultimate goal is to maximize enjoyment. This requires performer to have good PR rep. If an Oscar actor is a pedo, people can’t enjoy his movies.
Freedom affects content richness and PR rep.
For uninventive chuuba with bad RP rep, gives her less freedom.
For creative chuuba with good PR rep, gives her more freedom.

The tricky part is…..
Creative chuuba with bad RP rep. So far I’ve never seen this type of chuuba.

*reminder: Creative doesn’t mean new ideas. Creative means NEW and GOOD ideas.

>> No.27490616 [DELETED] 

>>27490528
any new new creative ides in hololive?

>> No.27490854

>>27490528
>Creative doesn’t mean new ideas
yes it does you fucking retard

>> No.27490938

>>27490616
Lol no. Hololive's whole thing is copying Nijisanji.

>> No.27491031

>>27490854
Cmon use your brain. New ideas are super easy and mean nothing. It doesn't have value in it.

Upside down Tetris, no one has done it before (except Chama). Similarly, rotate the screen by 90 degrees when playing Holocure. THOUSANDS of shitty new ideas.

Also, if someone did something new but dumb. People will never call it creative. They call it retarded or schizo. Creative is something you can enjoy or appreciate.

>> No.27491121

>>27490938
>Hololive's whole thing is copying Nijisanji.
I don't recall Nijisanji bothering with Reddit

>> No.27491318

>>27490616
>any new new creative ides in hololive?

Subaru comes up with most creative ideas, and some Holos are good too. But Most Holos are just spamming FOTM or APEX to death.

Nigga Migo Hyperrealistic yakiniku game (while everyone is playing the same yakiniku simulator)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZa8miLcXA8
Subaru candy from around the world stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHk1wXMm0EY
Subaru Microscope stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk9Kq-cfBdg
Korone anti-FOTM game stream (funny)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZLCccAYTO8

For my taste, one creative stream every 7~10 days is good enough. But not realistic for super busy Holos.

>> No.27491353

>>27490528
You are correct, the problem is how much restriction is too much or not enough. You won't usually find out until they do something bad and controversial.

>> No.27491479

>>27491318
>post few streams slightly different from the standard FOTM train
>creative
if this is creative for you, then you have no right to criticize Kson

>> No.27491625

>>27491479
>have no right to criticize Kson
??? I didn't even bring up Kson. Are you Tatsunoko?
>if this is creative for you
What do you want/expect for chuuba's creative stream? (except special/large events)

>> No.27491677

>>27491479
>Gunpla
>Stream with tits
>Show ass on stream
>Stream in chaturbate
La creatividad, so much freedom

>> No.27491725

>>27491677
Kson's creative slogan bites her ass.

>> No.27491822

>>27487048
>Limitations are what made Coco interesting.
Limitations are what killed her best content, newfag.

>> No.27491857

>>27491822
This >>27491677

>> No.27491930

>>27491677
the thing is anon, you know that, her streams made an impact on you, in good or bad way is not for me to decide, but if you ask me what hololive did recently that was remotely memorable i would need to think really hard.

>> No.27491975

>>27488755
Also being the only one this crude made her quirky in hololive environment, making also the relative "seisoness" of the other more quirky. Coco had a very good synergy with hololive.
I agree. I also really liked her design.

>> No.27492033

>>27491930
>made an impact on you
>but if you ask me what hololive did recently that was remotely memorable i would need to think really hard
>implying impact equals good thing

Ruhsia backstabbing and suicide bait. Coco china incident. Nene tracing. /b/omu.

Please.

>> No.27492070

>>27487048
No one in Hololive brought out Coco's talent more than Mikochi. Marine maybe the second best collab partner but was still too far from what Miko can do for Coco

>> No.27492075

>>27491822
ah yes such as the creativity to show kanata hanging from a tree in the suicide forest. It was limitations that killed her content and not her own inability to vet her shit properly yes.

>> No.27492107

>>27492075
it was dark humor, not her fault japs have sticks up their asses.

>> No.27492158

>>27492107
That's not what dark humour is anon.

>> No.27492165

>>27491318
>Same as the yakiniku game but with a camera
>Thousands of youtube videos of reacting to this shit, even from japanese youtubers
>A stream from literally a year ago
>The same thing she has done for the past 3 years, not like she's the only chuuba to do endurance or play old games at all.

>> No.27492233

>>27492070
This. Let's keep those as fond memories.
Now lets see Vshojo brings out Coco's low effort Chaturbate and titty streamer side.

>> No.27492292

>>27492165
What's your take on Kson's creativity after leaving Hololive then? What significant streams has she done during her time as an Indie? And what can we expect from Kson now that she'll be in Vshojo?

>> No.27492362

>>27492158
first of, the skit featured kanata hanging by the rope to imitate flying to the ad/film
what this >>27492075 anon(you?) wrote is the interpretation of it by humorless cunts

>> No.27492373

>>27492292
> what can we expect from Kson now that she'll be in Vshojo?
Diff anon here. But we all know the answer.

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>>27487048
No refunds.

>> No.27492521

>>27492165
Name some creative chuuba streams then. But keep in mind what you've said previously will be held against you.

>> No.27492537

>>27492373
She can all out whore herself now?

>> No.27492567

>>27492075
Huh?!?!?!?!?

>> No.27492633

>>27492487
anon, you seem to be proud of this edit, just use it with some context, spamming it on every thread is pointless

>> No.27492698

>>27492292
We can expect more ass and tits, and more of her sexualizing herself like the “I met bao we fucked in front of the crowd” kind of shit, then she will blame you for being an incel afterwards.

>> No.27492751

>>27491479
The kson apologist mindset, ladies and gents.

>> No.27492766

>>27492362
Not really. People called her out on it from all sides not just japan. Its why she took it down.
Wasn't the first nor last time. She stopped and ended a skit early when she realized the asacoco product she was pushing too close to actual crack instead of the usual joke product like a feel good buttplug or copium. Got called out by everyone on it too. She had not quality control, and it showed in many many ways. Working long into the night doesn't mean shit.
Dark humor isn't offensive or tasteless humor. Its just humor with a bit of an edge. Its a punchline with an intended edge. it also depends on who is telling it.
Neither the hanging nor crack were the punchline. the punchline for the first was how shitty the entire commercial was filmed like an old used car commercial, but that got lost with the kanata kommits suicide vibe at the end. the second ones punchline was just an asacoco product being crazy as it always is, but it failed to it being crack.

>> No.27492784

>>27492698
>she had 3dp bust squishing match with guutara live on stream
you don't know what are you talking about, anon.

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>>27492633
I'll post what I want to post. My country is free and today is her birthday.

>> No.27492814

>>27487048
I'm not a Coco fan really at all but what makes some of her interactions charming is exactly the fact that the other girls are not like her. Put her with one of her types and it's not interesting at all but put her with Holos and it has potential to become funny. But not even necessarily because of her, Freedom Lady is funny because of Miko. Coco trying to force in a joke about Miko killing herself at Miko's expense isn't really funny without Miko already making the whole thing hilarious by having no idea what people think she's saying.

>> No.27492844

>>27487048
What limitation? She shaved her pussy on stream and straight up burned it too during an interview with Tamaki.

>> No.27492872

Now I want to see Kson sodomizing Bao with a strapon

>> No.27492942

>>27491677
>gunpla stream
I forced myself to try watching her build gunpla, I have built around 60 kits already and just realized how boring it was compared to a regular zatsu.

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>>27488446
>>27489483
>>27488755
>>27490528
>>27492766
>>27492814

How's it feel having this conversation with yourself?

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>>27492872
>strapon
https://streamable.com/12enmj

>> No.27493064

>>27491677
Western whore

>> No.27493168

>>27492766
>Dark humor isn't offensive or tasteless humor.
humor = if you laugh/chuckle/smile, its humor
dark = cruel facts
dark humor = makes you chuckle but also agree with the cruel facts

>> No.27493290

>>27493064
>Western whore
Kson: Ahem. Sir, we are JP. VshojoJP.

>> No.27493352

>>27493168
a form of humor that regards human suffering as absurd rather than pitiable, or that considers human existence as ironic and pointless but somehow comic.
Sucide is never not pitable

>> No.27493423

>>27493352
Well, if you kill yourself, I will laugh.

>> No.27493507

>>27493423
Nah you'll have to do that yourself coward

>> No.27493539

>>27493423
Everyday retards suicide. Why are you so gay with that anon.

>> No.27493639

>>27487048
you know its kinda funny how people used to call Ame Coco v2/her successor but really she's doing more creative stuff than Kson is ever doing right now

>> No.27493669

>>27493507
>>27493539
just demonstrating the basic thing, humor is subjective

>> No.27493976

>>27493669
Humor is INDEED subjective. But if a professional performer's joke make most people angry, she is not humorous.

Similarly, moral codes are subjective. But Mori has to apologize for fuck ups.

>> No.27494260

>>27493639
> its kinda funny how people used to call Ame Coco v2/her successor but really she's doing more creative stuff than Kson is ever doing right now
Cover managment and Holomems acted as quality supervisor for Coco's ideas. They banned or modified all indecent and stupid ideas. They brainstormed with her. Only good ideas are approved.

This explained why after Coco left Hololive, she went titty and chaturbate streamer and all creativity died.

>> No.27496918

>>27487048
nah, that's just a cope you came up with as for why you like someone as a holo and hate them when they aren't a holo anymore dispite their content being identical.

>> No.27497533

>>27496918
> their content being identical.

>>27491677
>Stream with tits
>Show ass on stream
>Stream in chaturbate

>> No.27498717

>>27493352
Based absurdist

>> No.27498809

>>27491353
The most important part is scouting decent talents.
If recruited a good talent, you don’t have to supervise or control her a lot.
If recruited a yab machine, even supervising her 24/7 might not be able to prevent yab.
If recruited a Sana, no management action can fix the problem.

If a company is forced to operate with problematic talents, it’s very tiresome and painful. Some filmmakers don’t want to hire problematic actors. But actors are one-time contractors, while corpos are perpetual assets. Picking the right person is everything to a vtubing company. I think.

>> No.27500489

>>27493639
>people used to call Ame Coco v2/her successor
I’m a Teamate and NO ONE called her that. Where the fuck are you from? Reddit?

>> No.27500958

>>27500489
>Teamate
Diff anon here.
Ame promised to take over Meme Review show.
Ame paid homage to Coco by having dragon tail in her room.
Coco is known as a creative person (at least in the mind of Holofans), and Ame's the same. Some regard Ame as the spiritual successor to Coco.

>> No.27501467

>>27500958
Either she never promised that or she broke the promise since she didn’t do any of that shit. I prefer the former. It’s a slap on Coco’s legacy if she promised that wouldn’t you agree?

>> No.27501602

>>27487048
> that limit kill Asacoco
> stolen her's smile

Retard

>> No.27501740

>>27494260
Fuck off , you never watch her

>> No.27501793

>>27501467
>It’s a slap on Coco’s legacy if she promised that wouldn’t you agree?
Don't care about Coco's legacy at all. Just stating or sharing past events.
Several weeks after Ame promised to do meme review, Coco had a lunch with Kanata and Haachama. Accordingly to Chama, Coco asked her to do meme review and Chama said okay. Since then, several different Holos have done one or two meme reviews. Now that show is entirely dead.

>> No.27501911

>>27500489
>I’m a Teamate and NO ONE called her that
Why are you fucking lying anon, when she did her news show people said this, when she said she'd do meme review people said this, fuck you can just check the archives, people absolutely called her that.

>> No.27501924

>>27487048
That, and the model.

>> No.27502038

>>27487048
it's almost like innovation thrives under constraint. give someone the freedom to do anything, and they'll probably end up doing nothing.

>> No.27502124

>>27490301
>>27490453
>3 hours
>no replies

>> No.27502321

>>27500958
>>27501467
She was "given the Asacoco recipe", which retards took to mean whatever they wanted. Surprise, it never had any fucking meaning and was merely another 4redditor cope in a long line of orange person 5D chess schizo ramblings.

>> No.27502415

>>27487048
>>27488446
Just like imposing restrictions on the blue dummy actually made her more popular

>> No.27502482

>>27502415
Which blue dummy? Have to ask to be safe haha
Projection is bad

>> No.27502742

>>27502415
Imposing restrictions = negative words
Less whore/retardness = positve words

Imposing restrictions are just like laws. Some laws are dumb. But restrictions are usually not a bad thing for corpos.
Company restricts talents to prevent yab. If a talent has impeccable PR rep, no staff wants to waste time/effort to supervise that talent.

>> No.27504221

>>27490301
In hindsight this seems like a failure on her part. We got her side of the story where management were shooting down all her ideas but what ideas did she have after hololive? It's just more thot nonsense.

>> No.27504298

"The only compilation I know is a creampie compilation" - Coco, circa 2020

>> No.27504345

>>27497533
Without Hololive, Kson is twitch whore to the core
Even being a long time Holo, Kson doesn't understand the concept of “vtubing”. The common fatal weakness for twitch whores. Coco was successful thanks to Holos around her who understood the vtubing concept.

Kson said she uses avatar coz make up is troublesome. She thinks using avatar is same as “wearing a make up or fancy apparel”.
Avatar itself is part of the character. When you watch certain MMD videos without voice acting, you still feel the chuuba’s presence.
Also, Kson doesn’t understand showing her face and flesh constantly KILLS the avatar character.
Imagine someone voice acts for a lion in Disney movies, but keep showing his face for every 5 seconds. It destroys the lion character.

Vtuber is an enjoyable thing, same as lions or cute things in Disney movies. Cute things are ideas/merchandise for profit-making, but I see them as honest work, and I happily pay for them.
And they are not as distasteful/disgusting/malicious as twitch whores. The “greedy 5 dollar twitch whore” is nasty. And twitch whores who see/use avatar as “make up” are 10 times nastier.

>> No.27504832

>>27487048
It's not some secret. Limitations force creativity as long as the push to grow/produce is still there. Honestly it could've gone either way. Corpos by nature want to maximize profit and one of their goals is to produce a consistent standardized product and inconsistencies outside a certain parameter are rejected. Coco fell into that category of inconsistent with all the small and eventual big yabs and made the mistake of thinking the corpo's limitations are to blame. And now that she's free to do whatever it's the same shit she's always been doing with less quality. Not that any of this shit matters, she'll still make money and have a core following.

>> No.27505795

>>27504345
She doesn't respect v-tubing as an artform, simple as. Hololive forcing her to be a vtuber properly made her successful and she squanders her success after hololive by face camming.

>> No.27506550

>>27490222
right now it's a party of 2
they have open "auditions" on their website so I think this was meant to make a splash and encourage others to join, you'll instantly be associated with two legends and you'll get to keep your own IP and all of your own profits unless VS produces the merch themselves, then they take the appropriate cut. anything you make on your own is fully yours. basically all the notoriety of being in a corp, none of the "we own you, your name, your model, your brand, and 50%+ of all the money you bring in"

just as a reference, even on deals they bring to the talents, a standard talent agency in the US only takes a 10% cut. maybe they get a little more depending on how much they contribute. i dont see VS from taking much more than this.

>> No.27506802

>>27491625
bro what fucking thread do you think you are in you drooling moron?

>> No.27508374

Maybe it's a case like George Lucas and Akira Toriyama?
When they were on crunch time and people didn't worship the ground they stepped on, they were forced to make the best of bad situation and made magic happen. However, when given full creative control and freedom, they dropped the ball.
Now I'm not saying that Kson is at Lucas and Toriyama levels of creativity and influence.
I'm just saying that having people to call you on your bullshit helps to separates the wheat from the chaff and can bring out the best of what you have to offer.

>> No.27509398

>>27506802
Being in a thread doesn't have to talk exactly about the topic.
Proof: We are in Kson thread yet you are not talking about Kson with your post.

>> No.27510312

No one this thread watches Kson anyway.

>> No.27510322

>>27508374
>having people to call you on your bullshit helps to separates the wheat from the chaff
I agree. Someone to provide obejctive view.
Mangaka and his editor. Game devs that listened to feedback beta tester, can make good games.

Well, to put it simply, put leash on yab machine. So she doesn't yab and still provide some functiion.
For genius chuuba, do not restrict her. BUT good chuuba tends to have super good pr rep. For genius mangaka, you don't need to tell him what to draw or what the audience likes. He knew it (at least instinctly).

>> No.27510435

>>27510312
>anon logic: every negative opinion = tourist

>> No.27510925

>>27506550
>anything you make on your own is fully yours
Why does the company even exist? Whats the point? Why not just streams as indie group then?

>> No.27511073

>>27487048
Coco is dead, she'll never going back even if you wait 499years. Its done.
Kson =/= Coco period.

>> No.27511323

>>27487048
>OP: This is why they aren't the same.

>>27511073
>AnonChad: Kson =/= Coco period.

>> No.27512873

>>27487048
freedom kson literally just another en twitch chubba

>> No.27514501

>>27487048
Limitations killed Asacoco and replaced it with reddit memes retard.

>> No.27516423

>>27512873
THIS.

>> No.27516705

>>27514501
Limitations imposed because she couldn’t vet for shit.

>> No.27519123

>>27491930
Sure. And Miko's WWE stream is just another FOTM.

Well, Holo goes through alot to make sure Myth and ID1 can participate in Holofest, and I appreciated that. I really don't care that its pre-recorded, or delayed, or LIVE..... Its still logistical nightmare since there are no redo, and 3 separate country at the very least. At the very least, Kiara's will be expensive since she's alone.

>> No.27519276

>>27510925
Vshojo IS an indie group. Its just made of basically "the best" western vtubers can offer.

Well, that is if you just want to content yourself with streaming though. Those 50% of money that Cover took also goes back to the 3D techs, props, and RL events. Those Super Expo stuffs need to be paid.

>> No.27519380

She left because of bugmen harrasing the other Holos cause of her not limitations

>> No.27519393

>>27519276
>Vshojo IS an indie group.

VShojo is a VTuber company based in the United States. Wikipedia

>> No.27519469

Face it: most people joining the anti-china thing didn't care about watching coco anyway. That's why they stopped caring to watch her after the incident. Same for most anti-vshojo people in this thread. They are just here opine about drama and then screw off.

>> No.27519483

>>27506550
I don't think its just 10%, but yeah definitely not 50%. VS do not contribute to their talent's operating cost so they have less "stake" in each talent's success. If someone wanted to self-destruct like going full political, by all means go ahead. VS do not have investment at stake, which is why they also do not control them. Any consequences goes to the girls and not to the management (for lack of better words)

>> No.27519695

>>27519393
>VShojo is a VTuber company
Their own website

>> No.27519785

>>27519483
>If someone wanted to self-destruct like going full political, by all means go ahead.
>Any consequences goes to the girls and not to the management

Doesn't seem possible to me.

1) How Vshojo members behaved affect the brand and reputation of Vshojo. The brand itself is a valuable asset.

2) VShojo went full retard in Nux incident. It hurted the name of Vshojo.

3) If any member did something really unprofessional, it will scare away potential sponsors for other members too.

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