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bla bla bla popular cause of model bla bla bla GFE abuser bla bla bla has no talent bla bla bla

There are alot of things you can say about each Holo's rise to success but who deserves it the least or the most, based on how hard they're working right now?

>> No.272652
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>> No.272712

So, is Hololive just a roulette on which model you get? If models were switched would one holo be more significantly popular than they were before.

>> No.272737

>>272592
I think we can all agree that it's Gura

>> No.272738
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blah blah blah leeching frompeopleinthesamegoddamnagencythatsnothowitworksyouchuds blah blah

>> No.272742

>>272712
yes ame would have 2m if she was in gura's body

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>>272592
aqua please come back from Ape Sex... we miss you...

>> No.272803

Do none of these girls ever feel shame that their money is basically extorted from cucks who are in deep dive depression from loneliness?

>> No.272827

>>272738
What's with Kiara's face and baiting me?

>> No.272854

>>272592
The viewer and subscriber counts reflect the work output well I think.

You could say that vtubers like Flare, Choco, or the ID holos deserve more but yagoo said himself that theres more money in having entertaining "characters" than "idols"

>> No.272870

>>272827
she's high potential, people have lots of opinions about her

>> No.272892

>>272737
god I find gura so fake everytime I watch her, I feel like her personality is taken from a schizo poster on how women should be retarded and so fucking dumb that they literally cannot count, to think how far she would sink if she wasn't a loli.

>> No.272962

>>272738
whats up with anal retentive leftists and vtuber drama anyways? it's always chud this, reactionary that in relation to fucking weebs of allthings.

>> No.273026

>>272854
Not a homoposter but astel singing for 24 hours and getting what max 2k views shows that this isn't true at all. It's all about that exposure baby, and the shitty fucking reddit memes. Gura banked her career of 1. her model and 2. her normie bait 'a' meme. I think the only way someone could beat that is if Holostar EN comes out with a conventionally entertaining person that doesn't bank off the model. You may not know this but tons of normies find the GFE pandering shit off-putting and all it takes is one guy that's actually funny to become normie god tier tv show host.

>> No.273087

>>272870
everytime I see her face it causes me to have flashbacks

>> No.273125

1. Rushia
GFE is not a talent

>> No.273225

>>272962
Cute anime girls makes them seethe for some reason.

>> No.273228

>>273026
homo

>> No.273244

>>272962
you correctly note that it's not actually about viewing things through an ideological lens (since theirs has almost no relation to the dynamics of the real world beyond liquid brain 'rich people abuse poor ppl!' level takes, it's impossible). Because of this, signalling to each other using their contrived, inorganic jargon is paramount to maintaining their group cohesion and individual self-identification as leftist.

>> No.273252

>>273026
Thats literally Roberu, his stupid design is holding him back.

>> No.273258
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>how hard they're working right now?
Do you only account for livestreams or stuff like Marine about to be throwing 10 million yen at a project and Mori having a ton of recording she's going to be doing soon?

>> No.273268

>>273244
individuality has lead to the death of america

>> No.273294

>>273258
This isn't a completely objective rating but anything they're doing at the time is included, though this may lead to problems because most people overrate how much they actually do.

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>>272892
Anon she was just as retarded when she was Sen.

>> No.273346

>>273311
Didn't she used to be a web developer, how? Has she been faking it this long .

>> No.273351

>>273268
well it certainly didn't prevent it

>> No.273361

>>272892
>he thinks women are only pretending to be dumb
anon, 'schizo' isn't a synonym of real-world experience. Put down the games and movies and books and go ask real women basic questions, for fun. Think of it as flirting.

>> No.273384

>>273346
Fake it till you make it.

>> No.273416

>>273361
Anon she's literally playing the cute dumb autistic girl, similar to aqua. She also sounds like she's being held to gunpoint because she can barely even hold her own made up personality.

>> No.273433

>>273346
>web devs requiring brains
my sides they're code monkeys

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>>273416
>The meatloaf stream

>> No.273460

>>272892
I work tech support. Woman are like that.

>> No.273483

No one deserves anything it should all be worked for in some form.

>> No.273560

>>273433
OP I don't know much about web development but I mean most programming careers requires atleast some form of problem solving. Like the one clip with her not knowing how to make a 2x2 hole has to be fake. ITS LITERALLY 2x2 WHICH EQUALS 4 WHICH IS WIDTH AND HEIGHT WHICH EVERY SINGLE FUCKIGN DEVELOPER ESPECIALLY A WEB DEVELOPER SHOULD KNOW. You can not tell me that she doesn't know how to use Width and Height because that is literally the bare minimum you need to understand to create anything on a website. She's playing an act through and through.

>> No.273682

>>273483
let me explain this in simple terms.
Does input = output? If input > output then deserve if it’s less then not deserve

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>>273560
>OP I don't know much about web development but I mean most programming careers requires atleast some form of problem solving.
web devs copy and paste code more than anyone

>> No.273692

>>273560
not him, web development is literally just taking problems someone has already solved and applying them to problems that you currently have. There are no new problems in web development. Someone who can search stackexchange can be a qualified web developer. You can ask /g/ if you don't believe me.

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>>273560
anon, i work with these people every day
i *guarantee* that the terminally-alcoholic shark is brighter than half of them and that's being generous

>> No.273722

>>272592
Suisei and Miko worked really hard and had to develop a lot of skills on their own to make it. Haato also does a lot of nontraditional streams compared to the others. I'd put Coco as well but she's become pretty low-effort recently. Everyone else is undeserved even if they are entertaining

>> No.273731

>>273692
But at the least she should atleast understand how width and height works. You can’t copy and paste width and height because no client wants the same thing, right? That clip has to be fake

>> No.273759

>>273722
I really respect Haato she puts in a lot of work into her character which is the literal point of having a avatar and what you should be doing

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>>272737
TPBP. I'm not saying she doesn't deserve success. But she DEFINITELY doesn't deserve 1 million subs, let alone 2 million, let alone soon to be the most subbed V-tuber of all time. Not before Korone, or Pekora, or even Kiara of all people.

>> No.273801

>>273731
>You can’t copy and paste width and height because no client wants the same thing, right?
Width and Height in web development is highly dependent on resolution of the client screen, which is handled by the browser. So it's not like she's making hard-coded exact width and height changes to different elements on a webpage to scale it. Web developers use proportions to do that.

But either ways I can totally see suddenly forgetting how grids work considering that she probably hasn't had to develop anything in a year at this point.

>> No.273866

>>273773
I still don't understand how her growth rate exploded like that.

>> No.273924

>>273866
2 words bro
Shark. Hood.

>> No.273969

>>272962
It's easy (You)'s, snowflakes get baited easily.

>> No.273983

>>273866
l
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l
i

>> No.274013

>>273801
I guess I learned something new today about web development but I mean how do you forget how a grid works? Also, with her not knowing her times table do people really find that cute? Every time I see a women dumber than me it’s a turn off because I know she can’t hold her own weight in a relationship. I may be turning into an anti but I really find it annoying how dependent popularity is on their models, it’s like these people don’t watch them for their personality but for the eye candy wink wink. I guess horny can turn even retarded women attractive.

>> No.274021

>>273866
She was already a culturally relevant memetuber who's been around on youtube way longer than Hololive has existed so she already had the fans and the formula for being a popular vtuber.

>> No.274036

>>273773
>Kiara deserves subs

>> No.274047

>>273866
There are more closet pedos than you can imagine also she’s not funny.

>> No.274071

>>274013
>I guess horny can turn even retarded women attractive
Bingo.

>> No.274074

>>274036
You may not like Kiara but you have to admit she puts more effort than Gura.

>> No.274082
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>>272592
"deserving" stuff is a spook

>> No.274121

>>274074
Her design is so poofy and unattractive, also she's annoying
kusotori now and forever.

>> No.274142

>>273773
Even she doesn't believe she deserves all those subs given how she acted when she hit 1m and every time after whenever sub numbers were brought up.

>> No.274155

>>272592
>The least
Your oshi
>The most
My oshi

>> No.274160

>>273866
I think it's the most easily digestible form of a vtuber to someone who doesn't understand. A cute girl doing stuff and being silly. Her numbers exploded due to how everything works in the West regarding numbers where one thing is the standard and every other choice is niche. Every other EN vtuber take a little bit of explaining to get into and that's way too much for the average joe. In short, it's the vanilla ice cream of content + english audience.

>> No.274171

>>274021
I don’t know I just hope whenever Holostars En happens that they’re gonna get more success because they’re way more likely to actually be funny. If entertaining people don’t find success in the scene than it’s literally devolved into a worse environment than Twitch, where women find some success but the entertaining people shine through rather than women only.

>> No.274174

No Holo has ever been as successful as Senzawa.

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>>272592
Who else do you think besides our cute hardworking Comet?

>> No.274184

>>274074
No, she really doesn't. I find Gura mildly entertaining and i dont even watch her that often. I legitimately cannot stand Kiara's voice. And at this point with the incessant Yuri baiting that her, Mori, and her Fans have created shes putting the same effort every other Hololive girl, Gura included has put.

>> No.274195

The thing about Gura and HoloEN in general is that hey naturally have a much bigger potential audience than HoloJP simply due to language. The question isn't whether or not Gura deserves to be this much more successful than her JP senpais, it's whether or not she deserves to be this much more successful than her genmates.

>> No.274209

>>274082
imagine a stirner vtuber...

>> No.274268

>>274209
zatsudans explaining why X is a spook

>> No.274274

>>273416
If they're indeed acting retarded then touché' they fooled me.
https://files.catbox.moe/x2axs1.webm

>> No.274324

>>274121
I guess she needs to work on her entertainer reps more by being more smooth and flowey in a conservation, but all the criticisms you put of her are subjective. While in every other aspect that isn’t subjective like collabs, stream time, sincerity to viewers, are all more on Kiara’s side.

>> No.274352

>>272803
Their karma is having to deal with antis and obsessive stalker-tier fans.

>> No.274389

>>274352
Which they also dodge by not showi- oh wait nevermind they’re women

>> No.274404

Don't know if it's the most or not but Mori works insanely hard and certainly deserves her succes.

>> No.274454

>>274174
Idk I just feel like I’d hate to be successful through her means. I mean all she’s done is just purposely meme herself to stardom on memes than barely reflect her personality. Mori even if you don’t like her rap is getting to where she wants through what she loves while Gura is getting up there through normie bait.

>> No.274463

Gura anti-thread?

Gura anti-thread

You hoes are just mad Gura got to 2mil faster than your oshis

>> No.274476

>>273718
what kind of shit company do you work at

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""deserve""

>> No.274500

>>272803
>basically extorted
ah yes I feel completely obligated to give money to this borderline retarded anime girl eating a fucking tarantula

>> No.274521

>>274274
Baqua is special.

>> No.274531

>>274160
But OP you can watch any EN vtuber right now for the first time and enjoy them. People who are funny and entertaining will always be easier to get into unless you don’t speak the language, which I’d agree with your point if her chat was majority JP.

>> No.274563

Aki deserves more

>> No.274635

>>274500
OP it’s gambling but with people who have depression and haven’t seen women in years. You may not understand it if you haven’t fallen that low but I’ve seen how far some people can go. I mean GFE Is literally manipulating the hormones of a male to get them to protect you which in this case is to support with superchats. If I was in that position I wouldn’t feel comfortable that I’m basically manipulating mentally ill people, especially when it’s done on purpose by doing GFE. Though who knows I’m not a women.

>> No.274656

>>274490
>SHE DOESN'T DESERVE IT
>SHE DIDN'T WORK FOR IT
>SHE GOT LUCKY

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hehe

>> No.274718

>>274635
I get your point, (and yes I don't really give a fuck about a weak fag that blows his money) but why are you calling me OP?

>> No.274736

>>274454
It's a fucking job dude. Whether it's making raps about boomers or playing minecraft in a virtual shark costume it's a better gig than 99.99% of people will ever have the opportunity to get

>> No.274810

>>274718
Uh that would be weird because I’m OP, and for some reason I forgot to switch that out for anon. Though, idk did you ever steal the retarded kid’s lunch money back in highschool? This is basically what is happening right now from people donating their life savings because they think they have a chance with vTuber girls that play GFE.

>> No.274918

>>274810
not really no, I don't see the equivalence between both and if you honestly see it I don't think there's any point in discussing this any further

>> No.274989

>The most
The generations that build up Hololive from nothing.
>The least
The generations that came after Hololive already became a popular household name and were guaranteed success because of the brand
Honestly, I'd say EN are the ones who deserve it the least. They're a prime example of the second group. With the novelty of them being the first EN generation carrying them hard too.

>> No.275139

>>274989
Everyone after gen 3 don't deserve it.

>> No.275300

>>272592
I watched and watched and watched her streams but I can't figure out why Korone has that many subs.
Any EN that is not Ina feels fake.

>> No.275431

>>272712
We don't know. Some of the models fit the details of their owners former personas very closely, or even incorporate stuff from their roomates. Others seem random. Might depend how early in the process you get recruited, how much clout you have. Mori being a rapping loli shark or stick thin Cthulhu monster would be really weird, same as Gura's loli voice in Mori's model.

>> No.275485

How popular do you think Aki could have become had she not injured herself early on?

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POV
You are seething right now

>> No.275629

>>273125
leave rushia alone. she's trying her hardest

>> No.275749

>>275139
>Everyone after Gen 4 doesn’t deserve it
ftfy

>> No.275817

>>275749
Everyone after Sora doesn't deserve it.

>> No.275837

>>275485
Probably up there I guess, she'd probably be higher if she debuted at a later gen, also she doesn't seem to get along with her genmates really early on her career.

>> No.276134

>>274531
For clarification, I meant if you don't understand "vtubers" as a whole and not necessarily a language thing. What I mean is tuning randomly into other EN girls can be confusing where as Gura is like a~ I get it!
Cali: kuudere/tsundere awkward clumsy type with older lingo
Kiara: Hyper active hololive fangirl turned idol with German accent
Ame: Blonde who rages at the screen and roasts chat all day
Ina: Extremely sweet and chill artist who does dad puns

All of these are likeable in their own right but there is a bar of entry to it. Gura's is basically: is cute. Makes it much easier to just tune in for normies who were curious about vtubers after they started exploding in popularity. No shade against her or anything, but a broader net catches more fish. Also; not OP.

>> No.278041

>>272854
>yagoo said himself that theres more money in having entertaining "characters" than "idols"
So why does he invest so heavily in the idol side of things?
>>273026
>astel
Astel is a good example of how important design is. Him and Izuru basically make the same vids (singing and Apex), but Izuru has a huge lead on Astel because Izuru rakes in fujos while Astel's avatar filters people.
Props to Rikka though. He got where he was without some meme to carry him.

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>>273416
>she's literally playing the cute dumb autistic girl
>similar to aqua
>implying aqua is pretending and isn't an autistic 20 year old girl

>> No.278105

>>274184
I mean, if we wanna talk about bad voice, plenty of ones in HoloJP have that. Kiara has the bad combo of bad voice, bad personality and bad design.

>> No.278116

>>272592
>Who deserves their success in Hololive the most
Risu
>the least?
Moonas

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>>278041
>So why does he invest so heavily in the idol side of things?
Because while most Hololive girls aren't idols, the "idol dream" is the main theme of Hololive that ties everyone together. Unlike Nijis, who are just a bunch of streamers that rarely step out of their small cliques of friends, Hololive members all collab and try to be friendly with each other, because they're all in it together to "become the best idols". Of course, they don't actually care about the idol stuff, but just setting a goal for a team, even one they have no active interest in pursuing, will encourage more teamwork and friendship than a team that just plays games all day.

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>>274175
I'm glad I dont have to worry about schizos crying about Suisei being overrated or hate her fans every time I wanna shill her anymore.

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>>278129
All that good points ruined by that image attached.

>> No.278195

Gura's success basically obliterated any meaning that subscriber milestones had, both for other members and herself.

>> No.278202

>>273416
Gura is legitimaly autistic, shes just very chill/flat in comparison to other girls, she doesnt let herself enjoy as much, similar to hachama when she started

>> No.278226

>>272592
Pekora.

>> No.278233

>>272742
would Ame have said "a"?

>> No.278243

>>272742
False actually

Youre a nigger

>> No.278255

>>273684
do programmers know their times tables?

>> No.278291

>>272712
Moona have talked abt it in her early days, they create the avatar based on how the talent want it to looks like. after the audition, the choosen talent give the concept commission to the artist (confirmed by Pochi discussed the avatar detail with Reine)

but, in the old gen (presumably gen 3 backward) they create the avatar beforehand, and recruit the talent later. since Hoshikawa admitted she failed the audition to fill Akai Haato role.

Gen 4 onwards should be the first gen who come up with the avatar commission thing sin we know Coco likes Yakuza games, hence the dragon theme

>> No.278314

>>272803
don't expose me and yourself like that, anon

>> No.278333

>>272803
>do they feel shame that they get paid to do their job
why would you do a job if you felt ashamed for it?

>> No.278399

>>278158
>Entire company is a honeypot to keep an eye on this serial killer

>> No.278456

>>278195
The others are still celebrating their X00ks, Gura is an outlier anyway. She had an entire audience on indefinite neetdom primed by hololive clips for 6+ months, what's more surprising is they're not striking while the iron is hot and premiering singers+gen 2 before everyone goes back to work

>> No.278562

>>274047
Im a proud lolicon,
but I don't like Gura

>> No.278651

>>274463
If you treat all critics as anti, you won't be a better person

trust me, I've been like that in the past

>> No.278759

>>273866
It's been explained a million times stop being a fucking brainlet.

She's got one of the best voices both in speaking and singing, she's a memetic genius, she's got a good and kind of unique sense of humor, she's got an instantly memorable and eye-catching standout design, she's WEIRD, she knows how to play the youtube algorithm, she already had more subs on her roommate's channel before she even debuted than the number one subbed holo at the time, and multiple of these things feed into each other and create a viral feedback loop.

>> No.278769

>>272742
>people actually believe this
Ame wouldn't have created Gura's body, and her voice doesn't match it. The girls have a bunch of input on their own designs, it's not just randomly handed to them. If a design is popular and successful, the girl herself gets part of the credit for that.

>> No.279145

>>273866
Senzawa

>> No.279188

>>278769
Is that true for EN though? They seem to be part of a design theme, just like Gen 3's Hololive Fantasy, and Gen 3 designs were made before the voices were chosen.

>> No.279259

>>278116
this but the opposite

>> No.279312

>>273244
Rightoids talking about anyone's ideology having no relation to the real world considering the absolute state of their propaganda and news sources is hilarious

>> No.279383

>>278291
That explain Aqua been a failed Maid

>> No.279587

>>278195
based fuck numberfags

>> No.279713

>>279312
leftists notoriously have absolutely no idea what right-wing critique and ideology are, you're probably thinking DoD psyops like Q are 'the right wing' or something
don't worry bro it's all just the big greedy corpurayshins

>> No.279759

>>278333
Checked

>> No.279776

>>272592
>People who deserved it
Korone
Noel
Marine
Pekora
>People who didn't deserve it
Idk really, Gura is alright

>> No.280003

>>272592
Nobody deserves anything.

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Unironically Akai Haato/Haachama is among the ones who deserve their success the most. You may not likee the theme and niche she's trying to fill but you cannot deny she's worked very hard to create her persona and how good she's at it.

>> No.280107

>>272592
Aqua, Korone and Pekora.
Aqua because she actually puts a lot of effort into being good at games.
Korone and Pekora because they are unironically comedic geniuses, their comedic timing is simply perfect.

>> No.280155

>>272803
>Women
>Feeling bad for men ever.
Anonchama...

>> No.280166

>>273416
>the girl who is literally the female equivalent to those guys who play with sonic action figures well into their late teens
>not autistic
Her "past life" would say otherwise.

>> No.280338

>>278291
>Gen 4 onwards should be the first gen who come up with the avatar commission thing sin we know Coco likes Yakuza games, hence the dragon theme
This indicates that they have a say in their character names too, doesn't it?

>> No.280457

>>272592
If Ame and Gura swapped positions everyone in EN would properly deserve their place.
btw I don't like mori and I do like gura

>> No.280533

>>278291
>Hoshikawa admitted she failed the audition to fill Akai Haato role
Wait guys, would you have liked Hoshikawa as Haato?

>> No.280547

>>280533
no
hoshikawa is a bitch desu

>> No.280638

>>280338
At the very least, Coco applied for a staff job but was instead roped into being a talent. Such circumstance indicates that she was at least given freedom in the character creation to make it worth her while.

>> No.280662

>>280533
Matsuri certainly would. It would have overridden the FBK x Matsuri completely.

>> No.280682

>>280533
Wait is Hololive like the Harvard or Vtubing?

>> No.280782

>>272592
fubuki 100%

>> No.280812

>>278291
Pekora and Rushia were confirmed to also have a say in their design.

>> No.281981

>>275300
Same

>> No.282039

>>279776
>Korone
Why, she's very bland
>Noel
Kek, you're serious? Noel is only where she is because of her boobas, and she has to rely on yuribaiting

>> No.282250

>>278291
Not sure where you got that she failed from, but what she said was that she saw a Hololive recruitment ad, wondered if she should apply, decided against it, and ended up checking Haato's debut stream to see what she ended up being like. You could say she was just lying about not applying when she failed, but she definitely didn't say that herself.

>> No.282331

>>273416
Aqua actually is a dumb autistic girl though.

>> No.283276

>>275300
>Any EN that is not Ina feels fake.
They're people playing anime characters, what makes you think it's supposed to feel "real"?

>> No.283326

>>275300
>I can't figure out why Korone has that many subs.
Appeals to Westerners, fun voice, high energy, always goes viral.

>> No.283389

>>272803
it's not their fault if retards used their money to send akasupas and not schizophrenia medications

>> No.283403

>>272592
>The most
Suisei
Pekora
Fubuki
Haato
Coco, arguably
>The least
Anyone after Gen 3 not mentioned but especially En.
Not to say they're bad or I don't like them of course, just that the brand itself is the reason they most of their following for the most part

>> No.283476

>>283403
Oh and Mori. Mori works hard

>> No.283522

>>283276
Maybe fake wasn't the best word.
Bad acting might be closer to what I mean.

>> No.283812

Why do people not definitively include Coco on the holos that deserved their success?
Her only content now are zatsudans because thats her strongest streams and she's shadowbanned in collabs.
She may be on a recline now because of months of Chinese antis but she was an essential holo that put their brand on the map.

>> No.285035

>>272592
Whoever produces content other than those low effort gaming streams. Coco and Hachama for example.

I wish Mori did more music making streams ;;

>> No.285271

>>274155
correct answer

>> No.285395

>>283403
this, hololive brand is guaranteed 100k subs on debut.

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285564

For the least deserved, definitely Choco.
Her content is pretty bland and uninspiring.
If it weren't for her colleagues bringing in large amounts of people into the holohole, she'd wouldn't have as many viewers or subscribers.

>> No.285665

>>272803
You just described the entire social media and entertainment industry.

>> No.285701

>>273866
She already had a fairly large fanbase that overlapped heavily with people who watch vtubers.

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>>275817
based

>> No.285776

>>272592
I would say the ones who deserve it most are the ones who were in a bad place mentally or was struggling with finances before they got into Hololive, which is to say almost all of them.

>> No.285804

>>285776
Aki after her car wreck and Mel after stalker will always have my respect those two are so fucking strong

>> No.285875

>>280074
Best character work in the business

>> No.286440

>>280682
they only became really prominent by 2020. and theyre such a brand name now that being associated with them will easily boost your popularity

>> No.286704

>>285776
I remember watching the clip where Subaru talked about how her house burning down is what prompted her to really dive into Hololive.

I honestly thought she was joking at first because of how calmly she talked about it, but when I realized she wasn't joking I really had a new respect for her. Going through that and talking about it so calmly and openly is a mark of a really strong person.

>> No.288103

>>273773
Kiara is the fakest of them all..

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