/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Man... i'm really on the edge of not interacting with vtuber fans either here or in youtube, shit got really retarded, in one side you have /vt which is a rrat nest in where everybody just invent some shit and others believe it and at this point this place is just an echochamber of 99% bullshit and then you have youtube which consists of normies and their everything is cute and perfect and "we must protect that smile" kind of people which is fucking cancer, if some of you have a place where you can discuss your oshi like a normal fucking human being please let me now

[Anonymous No.]

I just talk to myself about it. Really the only sane option

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>>2710062
Same, the voices in my head make for better conversation than anyone here.

[Anonymous No.]

that's what you get for watching only holos, other companies' fanbases don't have those problems

[Anonymous No.]

If you take every rrat on here seriously you're doing it wrong. It's only random banter that comes with less moderated speech. Except the rrats about your oshi, those are all true.

[Anonymous No.]

You're better off just watching the girls and sticking to friend groups that do. In my experience most vtuber fans are either /pol/tards as you can see on this board or ironic weeaboo clipfags. You might be forced to join a Discord server, which will get me lynched for mentioning, but it's the closest thing you can get to a proper forum nowadays.

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>>2710099
I feel you, I am a mass of thoughts controlling flesh. I am free to expand my own universe whenever I desire.

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>>2710132
>discord shill
Go back discordfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>2710132
>Discord server
THE medium that's most prone to fostering elitism and becoming an echo chamber.

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>>2709935
>/vt/
>echochamber
fuck off retard, go back to school. You dont even know what echochamber means

[Anonymous No.]

Interact with only JP twitter fans. Bam, problem solved.

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>>2710114
think thats more to do with popularity than the company though, you know if any other company became comparably popular overseas the fanbase would be full of the same types of dumb shit

[Anonymous No.]

Holofriends finally seeing the light that getting popular in the west isn't worth the price.

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>>2709935
5ch or 2ch

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>>2710250
If you think about it any place can be an echochamber even more so places like 4chan where they want to isolate themselves from everywhere else

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>>2710334
99% of the shit that's started since EN launch is coming from people seething about it, the Ollie yabs are the only non false flag we've had so far and they don't even matter because she's ID

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>>2709935
>discuss your oshi like a normal fucking human
lmao, normal human beings don't watch anime girls stream dumbo

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>>2710250
Yeah, that's why you just told him to fuck off and "go back" is the favorite insult. Because dissenting opinions are welcome. Maybe there's no upboats like where you come from but you're delusional to think it's not an echo chamber.

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>>2710255
JP twitter fans are the exact same as normies youtube fans, they just speak a different language

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>>2709935
A discord with friends. 4chan/reddit/youtube comments/KF/any other EN forum aren't great. The vtuber/holo threads in /jp/ used to be good at least early last year and before that. At least people were more knowledgable on vtuber things. The vtuber reddit used to be good also but its now filled with indies trying to shill. The best is to talk to friends who are into vtubers if you have any.

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>>2710802
In that case your oshi must be some prime normalfag bait.

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>>2710944
fuck off discord tranny

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>>2709935
No discord, /vt/, twitter, reddit or comment sections. Enjoy the content, fuck the "community" stop interacting with the community. You're watching vtubers for vtubers, not the community right? I cant blame you though, ive found myself leaving here more and more and read manga and doing other stuff while watching vtubers.

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>>2711030
Bro, look at Coco's numbers after all the member-only chat shit she needed to do. There's a reason community is important for streamers/youtubers.

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>>2710677
people being mean doesn't remove your speech

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>>2711024
A discord with friends isn't the same as a public discord. Though I guess if you got vaccinated already, you can just meet up IRL.

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>>2711059
I meant for him, obviously the community and interacting with it is important for the vtubers, especially coco, but for the viewer it's not important. Its not even secondary. You can if you want but it in reality its not needed for enjoying and viewing the content, I understand exactly where OP is coming from

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>>2711076
By that logic Leddit isn't an echo chamber either. It's all about if dissenting opinions are welcomed or not, and they most certainly are not. There is a reason this board loves to go on spiels about how to gatekeep better, and that is because outsiders - that being people with different perspectives and opinions - are not wanted or considered.

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>>2711105
Dunno I like seeing the community made content? All the fanart, MADs, MMD, animations, music, games, matome/clips and so on. I check the twitter tags and youtube for fan stuff for the vtubers I like the most daily sometimes multiple times.

[Anonymous No.]

The only problem this board has is wojak/pepe posting (which just about every board has) and off-topic trolling threads being allowed for some reason.

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>>2711157
nah you literally get your comment removed/hidden by downboats, it's different then some guy calling you a nigger

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>>2711194
The moderation team regularly bans anybody who makes a controversial post that racks up a significant amount of (you)s for either being off-topic or containing "racism outside of /b/" (just an excuse to ban anyone the mods don't like). There's also been several instances of self-professed pedophiles being banned on this board lately just because the mods don't like the fact that they like little girls. There is really truly no difference.

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>>2711178
I can agree with that, the content made in support of vtubers is always cool, its just the interacting and "being part of the community" part I was talking about, like the weird pre stream chat stuff ive seen in Mori or Kiara's streams

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>>2709935
watch the vtubers, follow the artists who draw vtuber fanarts

avoid holo discussions period. if you're EOP indie or niji communities are palatable (JP nijiniggers are truly a different kind of breed) but ehhh if you want completely retard free vtuber scene just do the shit above

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>>2710677
He was free to post, retard. If you feel "shut down" just because people are providing counter-arguments and proving you wrong, then you're a fucking retard.

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>>2711339
Again, you could say the same about Leddit. They're free to post, and if they feel shut down after getting downboated it's a personal problem.

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>>2711183
>wojak/pepe posting
I hardly ever see frogs and cancerjacks except for tourist that got lost posting them
>off-topic trolling threads
and blogfaggotry too

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>>2711361
not really, you can get your comments deleted or even banned there

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>>2711393
And you can get your posts deleted and banned here too.

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>>2711361
No, you can't, because downvoting is *not* the same as counter-arguing.

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>>2711411
but not for speaking your opinion, do you even understand my point you retard?

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>>2711492
Would you care to explain how? Every downvote on that site is a step towards getting your post potentially deleted, is it not? And every "counter-argument" that is made here, every (you) given, is a step towards the mods potentially deleting your post for derailing the thread (even when it doesn't in actuality). In both cases dissenting opinions are dogpiled on and removed.

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>>2711492
Yeah because "go back" and "seethe" is so much more valuable

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>>2711530
Yes, posts are deleted and people are banned for "speaking their opinions" all the time, is it your first day here? There's a reason jannies and mods are universally hated.

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>>2711530
You are crazy if you think people don't get banned here for speaking their minds, go to any Gura thread and speak your mind there, mods are gurafags, you won't last

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>>2710114
>>2709935
Tell the op to post in the /jp/ niji thread and see how fast he gets reported by all the gatekeeping faggots.

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>>2711550
How is this not obvious?
Any retard can downvote after his groupthink neuron gets activated.
Arguing with someone requires actually processing their words rationally, having a modicum of mental ability to see their thought process through your own lens, and responding as correctly and elegantly as you can.

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>>2711761
>Any retard can downvote after his groupthink neuron gets activated
And any retard can type "seethe" or "dilate" as a "counter argument". If you think most people here "respond as correctly and elegantly as they can" to opinions they don't like then I take it you haven't been here very long.

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>>2711807
Yes that is vacuous reaction posting, but if you speak in good faith and just happen to trigger a ton of autists, you can absolutely avoid getting banned if you keep your cool, clarify and further strengthen your position. If what you're saying is any good, people will calm down and engage properly. The ones that don't either don't care or are bad faith themselves.

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>>2711906
>you can absolutely avoid getting banned if you keep your cool, clarify and further strengthen your position
No, you cannot. You can see plenty of examples in the archives of mods banning anyone who self identifies as a pedophile even if it is on topic and they speak rationally about the subject. And that's just one example of many.
>If what you're saying is any good, people will calm down and engage properly
So yes, people only bother to hear out opinions that align with their own. An echo chamber.

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>>2710132
there is no /pol/. People hate you because you're an ironic citizen- you enjoy hanging around and enjoying the benefits of western civilization while clinging to an ideology bent on committing genocide and destroying our values.

If the west ever collapses, you'll move and do the same shit somewhere else, and they will hate you too

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>>2712172
t. /pol/tard

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>>2711339
Screeching at someone for criticising you and then claiming you were "just providing counter-arguments" is echo chamber behavior

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>>2712198
I've never visited /pol/. I'm just a moral human being. You're not. That's why you're hated. It's really that simple.

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>>2712215
t. /pol/tard

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>>2711961
I can't really find any "self-proclaimed pedophiles" that were banned in the archives
No, i mean you'll spark discussion.
Also just sharing your opinions is useless. You won't be able to discuss anything if you don't have some sort of common ground first, jumping head first with an opinion is bound to get you low value emotional reactions like "seethe", "cope" or "based"

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>>2711082
But anooon, don't you know you're supposed to only communicate via 4chan and treat everything else like it's the worst thing ever?

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>>2712274
>The vtuber/holo threads in /jp/ used to be good at least early last year and before that. At least people were more knowledgable on vtuber things.
Communicating on 4chan for vtuber stuff used to be fine but just like anything, too many people come in and not wanting to integrate/lurk/learn anything makes stuff turn to shit quick. I feel currently all the social media feels too much alike. They might post different opinions but the way most people post feels so similar. Its like bots. Pre-2010 Internet really was the best. I can maybe understand newfags not wanting to search archives but googling is basic and they should at least do that but last year, I was surprised by the amount of anons in the /jp/ asking for a link to the Towa discord when she appeared on it. I'm not even a Towafag and I found it easily by just googling (listened just to confirm she was there and then left because my god it sounded awful). Like, c'mon dudes. Put in a bit of effort at least.

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>>2712251
>low value emotional reactions like "seethe", "cope" or "based"
You could see stuff like this coming when "haters gonna hate" became a thing. Nothing entertaining gets produced from trolling because there's no "counter" to what essentially equals to "I don't care".

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>>2712251
>I can't really find any "self-proclaimed pedophiles" that were banned in the archives
You weren't looking hard enough.
>jumping head first with an opinion is bound to get you low value emotional reactions like "seethe", "cope" or "based"
Only on websites that're echo chambers and alternate opinions are not considered, like this one.

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>>2712380
I agree
>>2712402
Well that's vague.
No, anywhere you go people will first give you a quick emotional reaction if you challenge them like that. It's just that mature individials are able to recognize and deal with this reflex, before they engage with you properly.

[Anonymous No.]

I think big problem with /vt/ is that many people here don't give a shit about vtubers anymore, they're here for trash-talking but at least there is no braindead gachikoi facade and people talk about their true feelings. Also the fact people on other platforms usually just check/comment once in a while during a day, so after a persistent enough digging you will quickly scratch the bottom. Better to chat with friends imo or find a couple of sane not blindfolded people here and there and make a group yourself.

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>>2712601
>Well that's vague
Yes, and that is how mods ban anyone they personally dislike. Notice how that's a permaban as well.
>It's just that mature individials are able to recognize and deal with this reflex, before they engage with you properly
Which are the minority of people here. Any website where the majority tells you to go back and dilate in response to an opinion that differs from the norm is not a website that welcomes said differing opinions.

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>>2712629
Last time the issue was people who only watch clips, now we also have the issue of people who don't watch enough clips.

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>>2709935
>in one side you have /vt which is a rrat nest in where everybody just invent some shit and others believe it
I think that's part of the fun, kind of like what you feel if you fool someone into believing some shit and laugh at them if they take it seriously. Sure it's horrible if you take it at face value but at least I could get a couple of chuckles about it

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>>2712629
There is no problem with /vt/. If you want to talk about vtubers/what they are doing you go to the general threads/relevant ones, and they are usually peaceful/focused. Including the vshojo one.

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>>2712707
based rrat

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>>2712707
Anon, you were probably fooled by people acting as well. Everyone's trolling each other not realising that they are. Everyone is dumb because they are being trolled but everyone is smart because they are trolling dumb people. Its good for everyone technically, since everyone gets to feel good about themselves.

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>>2712707
>>2712759
That's fine but then your community gets overrun by complete morons and obviously serious discussion is harder to achieve. Something something any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots... Rene Descartes.

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>>2712656
Kek poor dude, i wonder what he actually said.
Yeah it's the sad state of 4chan nowadays, lots of ironic nerds and few people with actual hobbies to post about. But i think it was bound to happen.

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>>2712629
I think the thing is a lot of people got into vtubers through hololive at the time they were going through a lot of big dramas one after the other too. So when there isn't any real drama people will just manufacture the shit out of nothing and make mountains out of molehill just to have something to keep it going.

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>>2712859
There is nothing to fucking discuss unless a stream is currently on-going, and it all ends up in general threads.

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>>2713142
Thanks to them nowadays you literally cannot have genuine talk about Haachama. Or when Cover updated their site the discussion was full of obvious newfags completely oblivious about how Cover or this industry works.

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>>2713296
Who gives a shit, I just want to talk about what is currently going on, like the Noel and Coco singing collab and guess what there are plenty of threads for me to do it in.

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>>2712402
This defense mechanism developed because of the plentyful retarded opinios people shit out all day. Anonymity makes it worse, but It's a price worth paying. If you actually go on /pol/ you'll see hundred of threads with one single post by this ID and a bunch of drivel to go with it. Most of them by shills, lefties and people who pretend to be lefties.
Engaging becomes tiring.
/vt/ has a bunch of schizos, like the most prominent Kiara-antis, and humble (you)farmers who are actually bored underage morons in spirit or body.

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>>2709935
I agree with this entirely. I'll even add that I don't think Hololive is what it first seemed like back in January 2020 when it first had taken off. Now the shitty losers and creeps are here and everywhere and all the weird fucking clips reflect that. Sneezing, lewd noises, weird stupid sexual clickbaity garbage.

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>>2710250
Another technical fag who doesn't know how to infer implied meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

I feel the same. I stopped posting on r/Hololive when I get fed up with the infantalization, the hypocrisy, the cult-like atmosphere, the hugboxiness and their weird obsession with sex. But then again this place is pretty bad in it's own way.

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>>2715734
Bruh, one of the trinity that brought in overseas viewers was bandaids (the other two being scatman and nigga). The other weird shit? Blame Coco and Asacoco as well as subbers who only care about getting views.

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>>2709935

This video is what brought me into VTubing and I knew exactly what I was in for. It had created a crust of protection against all the newfaggotry surrounding it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HIBDGni1-o

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>>2713296
The threads are alright when she's streaming normally, obviously during a sporadic hiatus she's going to be target of the false flag shitposters while they have something to do besides make kiara and nyanners threads. The most we normally have to deal with is our one anti who pretends to be a 2019 haato oldfag and replies to himself about 30 times

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>>2715902
I don't know how to deal with this apart from trying to be the change I want to see. I don't lurk in threads about something I don't like or particularly care about, and write my posts as if they could be associated to each other. It kind of works, /vt/ feels like a pretty nice board because most of the time here I spend niceposting or talking about what I would like to be different. I post almost daily and barely anyone bothers me.

[Anonymous No.]

yeah I've wanted to make a similar thread for a while. this place is a cesspool of doomposting and overexaggerated or completely imaginary drama. but in any other corner of the internet discussing vtubers, you have to be SUPER POSITIVE AND WHOLESOME and never say a bad word about anyone. I feel like /vt/ (and 4chan in general) is just filling the vacuum of negativity that other sites don't allow, you can't avoid it

that said, I'd rather just hide retarded threads here than go to reddit and have to deal with le epic wholesome xD humour and forced positivity

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>>2717038
I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people here post on both. Post here when you feel like shitting on everyone and everything is horrible now, post elsewhere when you feel like pretending that everyone is perfect and bad things never ever happen.