What did they mean by this?

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Anonymous Sun Jun 26 16:13:05 2022 No.26886372 [Reply] [Original]

What did they mean by this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 16:18:17 2022 No.26886571 >>26886372 Manifest destiny

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 16:21:32 2022 No.26886706 >>26886372 Open the country, de gozaru

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 16:22:27 2022 No.26886751 >>26886372 I hate burgers so much it's unreal

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 16:25:12 2022 No.26886879 reminder that douglas macarthur is a descendant of perry and he requested the ship and flag perry used to be present in japan's surrender purely just to fuck with them

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 16:27:12 2022 No.26886962 >>26886372 not a vtuber

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 16:37:40 2022 No.26887410 >>26886706 Stop having it closed desuwa.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 16:53:04 2022 No.26888056 >>26886372 is this Georj Washington post?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 17:06:53 2022 No.26888647 >>26886372 How does Japan feel towards America with what is taught in school? The more I learn about burger x jap relations the more it seems we've just fucked them over a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 17:14:21 2022 No.26889038 File: 3.05 MB, 194x155, 1643362507225.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>26886706 >>26887410 got a chuckle out of me

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 17:14:31 2022 No.26889048 >>26888647 They basically lived in mud huts before this and realized they ain't shit when knowledge from Rangaku showed how ass backwards they are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 17:21:32 2022 No.26889413 File: 246 KB, 1023x572, perrysan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>26886372 Anyone have a link to the Perry vtuber

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:19:13 2022 No.26891935 >>26886372 magic

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:21:09 2022 No.26892026 >>26886372 teasing ENs in hologra

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:27:19 2022 No.26892252 >>26886372 Saying they love BBC B ig B lack C Boats

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 18:50:38 2022 No.26893179 >>26886372 It’s just JP’s anti western sentiments leaking out again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 19:54:05 2022 No.26895872 >>26886751 seethe

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 20:03:00 2022 No.26896245 File: 1.36 MB, 1280x925, eQbIpHb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 21:37:22 2022 No.26899907

As persuasive as the guns were, Cdre. Perry was also just an ornery fucker. Even the way he looks, you know he must an unpleasant man to have to deal with. He's always pictured like this >>26886372, with a frown, but that's just his neutral expression.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:08:05 2022 No.26901019 >>26889413 what VN

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:57:33 2022 No.26902905 File: 809 KB, 440x300, tumblr_mqb2xwEi0O1sv0j0zo1_r2_500.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Xavier vtuber when?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:58:09 2022 No.26902930 >>26886372 open the country stop having it be closed

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:58:12 2022 No.26902934 File: 1.71 MB, 600x338, 1641433932377.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>26886372 LET ME IN

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 22:59:29 2022 No.26902983 File: 1.20 MB, 1147x650, 1646798213649.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 23:00:22 2022 No.26903030 Lmao silly japs still mad that Perry had them open their shores to le baka gaijin!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jun 26 23:15:09 2022 No.26903606 >>26903030 Mad? they think this guy is a hero though.

Anonymous Sun Jun 26 23:43:28 2022 No.26904732

>>26903030
>>26903606
>they think this guy is a hero
It's a little more nuanced than just "hero", because the treaties he forced on them were pretty bad. He is definitely not viewed as a villain, and the Japanese are definitely not mad about him. The Tokugawa bakufu is not seen as some enlightened leadership of a golden era that ought have continued.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:03:23 2022 No.26905341 >>26886372 This is not first time i saw this guy in vtuber content https://youtu.be/owD2ZVevgMc

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:03:45 2022 No.26905354

>>26886372
i'm not educated on it all but basically it's a reference to the foreign ships that arrived to Japan, earlier from europe such as Portugal, but later and more significantly from American, who basically intimidated Japan into ending their self-imposed isolation and eventually into trade negotiations with the western world.

cheers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:06:55 2022 No.26905489 >>26905354 it was also hilarious that Americans basically saved Japan from becoming Qing China

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:08:05 2022 No.26905526 >>26905341 (me) This one more convincing with live2D rigging https://youtu.be/tIZ8d1m9u-0

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:09:30 2022 No.26905572 >>26904732 Well if they arent actually salty about the strong-arming then I take back what I said, figured that they'd despise someone that negatively affected their isolated culture + with how xenophobic some nippons are

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:13:12 2022 No.26905700 >>26905489 so does this mean ultra-nationalist Japanese love or hate Perry? >they did change our nation permanently >but y'know, we're still Japanese

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:14:54 2022 No.26905770

>>26905572
>>26905700
>negatively affected their isolated culture + with how xenophobic some nippons are
You can definitely find at least SOME ultranationalists who are buttmad about literally anything, and Perry is no exception. It is just nowhere near common. A subset of a subset.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:15:59 2022 No.26905815 Would Japan even be where it is now without absorbing western innovations and technology into their culture? Thank us for making vtubers a possibility the next time you see someone whine about EOP's

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:16:10 2022 No.26905826 >>26886879 I'm surprised it was still in operational status.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:17:10 2022 No.26905859 >>26905770 I see, I guess I shouldn't have jumped the gun so much, it's a bit weird seeing how Japanese people perceive american figures I guess

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:18:31 2022 No.26905912 File: 980 KB, 1030x625, capture-20200411-063826.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>26901019 Ikinari Anata ni Koishiteiru He's also in Wonderful Everyday.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:21:41 2022 No.26906024

>>26905815
>Thank us for making vtubers a possibility
>us
You didn't do shit. You weren't alive.
As for making fun of EOPs? I wasted years of my life to get to a barely-passable level of Japanese, and the only consolation I get is to make fun of EOPs. I will never give that up.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:24:57 2022 No.26906167

>>26903030
There was definite anti-Western sentiment at the time but that passed pretty damn quickly with the Meiji Restoration. A diplomat was there at the start, came back 10 years later, and said it was like 2 different worlds. He said on his first visit he said, "I distinctly remember the middle ages", and 10 years later he comes back, everyone is wearing western clothes, the average educated person is speaking pretty good english, and now all their conversations were about "bullion, battleships, and spheres of influence".

>>26899907
It's more that everyone uses the exact same photo of him as reference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:26:18 2022 No.26906217 >>26906024 The JP chuubas and fans will never accept you, they still see you as a kaigainiki commodity and not one of their actual fans

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:29:30 2022 No.26906353 >>26906217 Did you think that would be new information to me? I know the score. That is why I cling to a petty, misplaced sense of superiority.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:29:50 2022 No.26906369

>>26904732
What? The Japanese don't regard historic events as something you apply a good or evil stamp? As something that you should be for or against instead of knowledgable and conscious about? As something you use to engage in performative moral histrionics in the public space? Why are they so behind our 22nd century enlightment?

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:29:56 2022 No.26906374

How Japan reacted to the black ships event was such a clever move. 50 years later they obliterated not only the Pacific Russian fleet but also the Baltic one (after a journey of 28.000 km, Hitler was Right about Slavs kek), becoming basically the most powerful country in the region (China was in shambles despite their abismaly high population, literally almost zero offensive power). Such a pity that they got too cocky and got nuked, but Japan is truly an amazing country

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:32:16 2022 No.26906485 >>26906353 Damn... that's depressing man. :(

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:35:19 2022 No.26906620 >>26906374 I agree, they made the right move in embracing the advancements that the western powers made for their own gain, really shouldnt have gotten cocky enough to think they could wipe out the US though...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:37:36 2022 No.26906703 >>26906620 Nvm I take back the wiping out the US part since they certainly wouldn't have planned on being able to do that, but thinking that they could push us to favorable terms on their part was kind of retarded.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:42:56 2022 No.26906946

>>26906620
Actually Japan had a higher chance of forcing the USA to sign a peace treaty than Germany doing the same with the Soviet Union. At the point of declaring war Japan was just trapped at China, despite easily invading the main regions of the country they couldn't force China into surrendering due to how huge China is (but unlike the soviets, they barely had enough resources to kick out the nips). In Midway the Americans had huge luck, an AI made thousands of simulations and the outcome that actually happened was an extremely unlikely scenario. If Midway was favorable to the Japanese the war at the Pacific would had been an stalemate for a year or so at least

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:50:46 2022 No.26907248

>>26906620
>>26906946
Agreed, Japan could have drawn out the Pacific war in a dozen alternative scenarios, but it there was a ticking clock as the European war wound down. Russia broke its nonaggression pact with Japan early, but even if they didn't violate it, it often goes forgotten that it was only a 5-year agreement, and would have expired later in 1945 anyway. Stalin never met a territory he didn't covet, and so even if the US was stymied in the Pacific, a Russian dogpile would have eventually been overwhelming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:52:29 2022 No.26907309 >>26906369 But Japan does this all the time, just about things THEY care about.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 00:54:19 2022 No.26907384

>>26906946
Here's the problem with this: no one outside of the high command of the Japanese Navy, including the Army, knew that Japan lost Midway until after the war was over. It'd be bad for the US if we lost but Japan for the most part didn't even know the battle happened.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 01:14:46 2022 No.26908264

>>26888647
>How does Japan feel towards America with what is taught in school? The more I learn about burger x jap relations the more it seems we've just fucked them over a lot.
You don't know the worst of it. Yes. Worse than 2 nukes.
Watch
>Princes of the Yen
documentary on yt.
Then you will understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 01:35:32 2022 No.26909206 >>26886372 based commodore just wanted some vtuber pussy

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 01:44:26 2022 No.26909763

It seems pretty obviously to be a joke at the expense of Japan, that if it weren't for Perry, they'd still have outdated-types like Iroha running around. I will never understand how Japan simultaneously thinks they have any self-respect while always worshipping Perry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:00:25 2022 No.26910771 >>26909763 Because only with a whole lot of humility can a country recognize they were wrong to the level of agreeing with Perry in that situation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:11:19 2022 No.26911475 >>26886751 yeah sorry for electricity and internet seabro...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:12:53 2022 No.26911575 File: 182 KB, 1192x1200, EobB6A0WEAEBVpL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Japan open up I'm bringing you lemonade and steam powered trains.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:15:22 2022 No.26911722 File: 421 KB, 970x1500, 1645836211223.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>26886372 Isn't it odd that Sui made a Perry joke a week before the Hologra dropped? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arIbXeCGIow&t=251s

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:19:33 2022 No.26911966

>>26910771
Yeah, I guess I will never understand justifying evils done against you because you like the end-results. That same mentality is why they accept being America's bitch to this day and it will be their downfall in the end. You can see Japan triumphed in the end due to Perry's actions without turning Perry into a folk hero.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:19:53 2022 No.26911990 >>26886372 >matthew perry wanted japan to open up so americans could exploit it >i want japan to open up so americans (me) can exploit it (rape holoJP members) hes literally me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 02:22:36 2022 No.26912184 >>26911475 oh and don't forget the negros and lgtv...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:19:34 2022 No.26915858 >>26886372 OPEN UP

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:21:33 2022 No.26916010 >>26912184 Yeah, all those 50 negros in all of Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:21:42 2022 No.26916021 >>26886372 Watch that one Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei episode for context.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:24:17 2022 No.26916222 >>26911966 lol USA is floundering while Japan flourishing. They only accept well behaved immigrant and only get minimum woke there Also this comment feel right after Diablo Immortal got banned in China

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:54:53 2022 No.26918466 >>26916010 Japan is already nationally representing themselves with Negros who weren't even raised in their culture. It's over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:56:52 2022 No.26918591 >>26886372 I wonder who voiced Perry

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 03:58:14 2022 No.26918686 >>26886879 That's pretty based, tbqhwyphamalamborghini

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 04:19:55 2022 No.26920270 File: 103 KB, 1023x693, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>26916222 You sure about that one? I don't think culture matters when the yen is dropping harder than both nukes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 04:33:44 2022 No.26921165 >>26886751 Just don't eat them then

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 06:08:17 2022 No.26927768 >>26886372 What's with the stupid wheel? It's a boat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 06:27:45 2022 No.26928908 >>26906620 They didn't do it because they were cocky, they thought if they didn't then their economy would implode as they didn't have adequate export markets to keep their economy going. They were right by the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 06:59:00 2022 No.26930641 >>26886879 >douglas macarthur is a descendant of perry Not a direct descendant. MacArthur was descended from one of Perry's cousins. Still close enough for the effect to be the same, but it's not like he was Perry's grandson or anything.

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:08:03 2022 No.26931115

>>26928908
Don't forget the US issuing an embargo on exports to Japan, and freezing assets in the US. That may be fine: it is a nation's right to not do business with another, but it also meant that Japan was pushed into an ever-more-desperate need to conquer additional parts of East and Southeast Asia to get access to raw materials that the US would no longer sell them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:17:10 2022 No.26931634 What's the first Perry reference you've caught in Japanese media? For me, it was Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:19:39 2022 No.26931762 >>26886571 >>26886751 >>26886879 GOD BLESS AMERICA

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:21:01 2022 No.26931827 File: 648 KB, 750x718, I came here to freedom at you.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>26931762

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:26:18 2022 No.26932088

>>26906374
attacking pearl harbor was objectively the most retarded decision possible
but yeah japan and mongolia are like the 2 asian peoples that actually have a history of warriorship and conquest, the rest of east asia is literally just slavish peasant farmers with millenia histories of being constantly conquered by stronger peoples
it wouldve been so based if the japanese empire successfully colonised most of south east asia

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:28:14 2022 No.26932194 File: 359 KB, 1976x1257, Hololive Black Ships.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>26886372 They saw the /here/ and /there/ memes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:31:39 2022 No.26932326 >>26886372 who?

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:32:45 2022 No.26932380

>>26932088
>attacking pearl harbor was objectively the most retarded decision possible
America was itching for war and was doing literally everything humanly possible to harm the japanese and starve them out to the point where the Japanese, 100% unironically believed that if they sailed past the Philippines with Oil from indochina that they would be blockaded or attacked in a surprise worse than pearl harbor.
Keep in mind america already was sending volunteer air forces to China to fight against Japanese planes in April, months before pearl harbour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers

In their mind it was Cripple the Americans or wait for them to bomb us before the war even starts.
America was also looking for every excuse imaginable to declare war on Germany as well but The magic mustache was so god damn well behaved with America despite provocation that it took the Japanese to start it.
And you damn well know those Aircraft carriers were sent out on "Training" knowing full well what would happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:45:50 2022 No.26933007 >>26932380 they couldve easily just pulled a false flag lusitania 2 out of their ass if they wanted to that seems a little excessive if they just wanted to declare war on germany but maybe they also wanted to gain territory in SEA anyway idk

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:48:46 2022 No.26933155 >>26933007 The vast majority of americans were very against the war Like, they were already pushing "OMG THE HOLOCAUST" in newspapers and the average american citizen didn't give a fuck They needed something big

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 07:51:22 2022 No.26933277 >>26932380 Kek unironic imperial japan apologist

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 08:05:18 2022 No.26933931

>>26933007
>The vast majority of americans were very against the war
True in general. However, public opinion is never fully coherent, and people were sympathetic to China. Most people didn't want to do anything about it, not go to war, but they felt bad, hence the aid to China that >>26932380 described. Not unlike Ukraine of the present: nobody wants to go to war for them, but a lot of people feel bad about it, so the public is generally supportive of "sending aid" in an abstract sense. You know, just aid to help them with a war, because that's not actually war, right?

Additionally, the particular journalism of that era in the US was feeding people war porn about Japan's conquest of China. I am not pointing to anything as false (or as true), but more to the style: the reporting used extremely dramatized writing, because that kept people buying papers. It laid the groundwork for seeing the Japanese as something beyond aggressors, as irrationally brutal, so that when Pearl Harbor came the public already had a background attitude of "Well we had heard they were madmen!"

Anonymous Mon Jun 27 08:05:53 2022 No.26933950 [DELETED]

>>26933155
okay just some cursory reading i can see why the us wanted war with japan
diplomatic relations with japan were already tense even before the war after nanking, during the war the japan invaded french indochina and dutch east indies and were clearly planning to take the phillipines, but it was retarded for them to try to threaten us assets in SEA in the first place

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 27 08:08:32 2022 No.26934062 >>26933931 panay incident and allison incident didnt help either but im certain the latter wouldve been a nothingburger if not for the press at the time

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