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26337179 No.26337179 [Reply] [Original]

Why does this nerd want the Holos to collab with the Homos so badly? I half believe this fag is the one spamming all the anti GFE / Laplus threads here

>> No.26337225

Holy mother of autism

>> No.26337234

>>26337179
He is an incurable shipfag.

>> No.26337310

>>26337179
>I half believe this fag is the one spamming all the anti GFE / Laplus threads here
rent free

>> No.26337314

>>26337234
It's one thing to rail against "idol culture" it's another to call the Holos themselves liars and try to find flaws in their own reasoning for not wanting to collab with the Homos. They just don't want to, that's a good enough reason.

>> No.26337350

>>26337179
I won't read all tha
Congratulations
Or
I'm sorry that happened

>> No.26337352

>>26337179
>Holostars
Because it's nihongo. Just wait for HolostarEN.

>> No.26337365

Remind me of people wanting big name youtuber to collab.

>> No.26337395
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>>26337350

>> No.26337403

>>26337179
can you link this guy's comment? i want to reply to him.

>> No.26337454

>>26337403
It's on his community page on his channel

>> No.26337478

>>26337395
Actually looking for this image. Guess I'm getting good at fishing.

>> No.26337526
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>>26337179
>oboretai

>> No.26337544

>>26337179
part of me wants to spam him with death threats but nigger would probably use it to vindicate his gay crusade
if (you) are reading this I hope you realize unless your moralfagging greynigs start matching paypigs in profitability y'all worse than the selfish bastards (you) think are the problem

>> No.26337581

>>26337544
>He's gay
Fucking explained everything

>> No.26337611

>>26337179
isn't this is the clipper that shill nijis liver on holo reddit???

>> No.26337613

>>26337234
>he
Does OP's pic read like the something a man would write?

>> No.26337671

>>26337179
He wants to turn hololive production into nijisanji 2.0
In case you fags haven’t noticed from his clips, he’s also a gigantic nijifag and homobeggar who only clips the stars (aka astel, roberu, and aruran) whenever they collab with girls

>> No.26337673

>>26337454
then why is he @ing zeta? is zeta subscribed to him?

>> No.26337674

>>26337314
>They just don't want to, that's a good enough reason.
His first line explains he is not talking about those and that this is indeed a good enough reason to him as well. I'd say he complains more about the fans than the Holos.
Personally I don't think anyone is prevented from collabing with Stars and even if, f.e. Ame really seemed to like Shien at first or other holos used to collab with males, they simply might want to rather do other collabs more. But it's obvious that you will get antis considering you used up goods once you cross that line.

>> No.26337683

>>26337179
Why are male vtuber fans like this? Pretty sure Nijifags are like this as well.

>> No.26337740

>>26337674
Not wanting to piss your fanbase off is also a perfectly valid reason

>> No.26337793

>>26337674
>I'd say he complains more about the fans than the Holos.
He just Enumerated popular excuses. He was not referring to excuses by the fans.

>> No.26337824

>>26337674
>Ame really seemed to like Shien at first
She still likes Shien tho, you can see his mascot on her stream. But liking a chuuba doesn't mean wanting a collab with him

>> No.26337827

>>26337179
They seem to be blaming Holostars middling success on Holomems doing their own thing. It really doesn't hold any weight when a group like Luxiem got popular entirely on their own without having to collab with anyone. Im not saying Holostars are less talented than the Niji group but they've cultivated two different sets of audiences and this shit stirring "activist" garbage he seems to be pushing is probably not wanted by even the Stars.

>> No.26337843

>>26337544
Not even a whaling economy works like that. You need people who pay you pennies if anything at all. There are enough threads about that here and enough videos explaining this from the business side.

>> No.26337888

>>26337827
It isn't. It's also provably false since Fubuki collabing with Oga hurt her more than it helped Oga. In fact Oga didn't have any noticable incline at all after all his DemonFox collabs with Fubuki.

>> No.26337913

>>26337179
I hate this "Onegai" beggar fag, and would like to let everyone know even most of /stars/ hates or at least dislikes him.
Thank you and watch streams.
>>26337827
>is probably not wanted by even the Stars
They've literally told their fans not to do this in the past, the faggot still begs.

>> No.26337989

>>26337827
I think he actually once addressed that his demands weren't that popular even among the stars but his ego as a somewhat popular starsclipper made him think that it is his duty to keep being such a miserable faggot anyway.

>> No.26337991

If you want more intersex collabs, Nijisanji is two blocks down the street. Let Hololive do their own thing. It's time to stop the constant collab begging, it's getting ridiculous.

>> No.26338117

>>26337888
Oga actually doesn't like doing collab that much and prefer streaming alone in the middle of the night. The lad just humoring his friends invitation

>> No.26338126

>>26337314
Then they should just say that they don't want to like HoloX did. The reasoning are all bullshit and that is clear as day, idk why do they have to lie to their fans even though their fans are completely okay with the separation.

>> No.26338175

>>26338126
Because they probably being considerate of the Stars and don't want to outright say the Stars are numbers poison.

>> No.26338194

>>26337740
Saying that you are afraid of men or are an "idol" is not a valid reason.

>> No.26338248
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>>26337179
These are his last 24 posts in reddit
Notice something?

>> No.26338267

>>26337827
the irony that they'd cry for more "brotubers" or "comfy" EN but stars and non-luxiem/fps god nijis are examples of what range they net you if you're not doing the exact same pandering the holos are mostly doing but in different genders.
I'm not saying it's undoable but reality is that this IS primarily an escapism hobby full of gimmicks and as a guy who don't want to follow the formula you need to also be entertaining and skilled to succeed but guys like that don't need no avatar or l2ds.

>> No.26338280

>>26338194
Yes it is. That's just saying "I don't want to". The reasons why they don't want to don't matter at all.

>> No.26338297

>>26338248
Wow...

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This thread will reach bump limit.

>> No.26338357

>>26337827
It's well established collabing with hololive doesn't help them anyways. They're best suited pulling a Roberu and networking outside.

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>>26338248
Nothing suspicious here. Go mind your business anon

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>>26338248
And here are some post from when he went full meltdown when people called out the constant nijishilling in the holo subreddit

>> No.26338471

>>26337913
>>26337989
Yeah no one likes this guy. /stars/ doesn't like this guy. Even his own fucking fans told him to let this shit go and focus on making normal Holostars clips. No wonder he is hanging out in Nijiland right now, he has gotten shit on by too many people in the Holostars fandom for being too pushy and schizo. Plus he only really gave a shit about Roberu and made a lot or clickbait anyways, not a very good Holostars clipper

>> No.26338483

>>26337179
Don't understand why these beggars always ignore how autistic the holostars themselves are when it comes to collabing with the hololive girls

>> No.26338516

>>26338470
>I don't believe in pointless tribalism
>Try to destroy Hololive by making it Nijisanji 2.0
Every time

>> No.26338526

>>26337179
>oboretai writing ch

>> No.26338544

>>26338471
On the bright side this tells you a lot about starsfags, they are actually very good at gatekeeping bullshit, the only thing that works against them is that they are a small fanbase, so sometimes the sheer amount of bullshit is too much to gatekeep

>> No.26338557

>>26338126
>>26338194
You're not owned a reason. You people are just retarded faggots crying because *insert eceleb* didn't interact with *insert eceleb*. If they don't want to then they don't want to, end of story, and if this isn't an excuse worthy of your grandiose cuntness then fuck off and stop watching them. And before you call me an unicorn I actually watch the Stars way more frequently than Hololive and I'm sick and tired of you motherfuckers spamming this shit everywhere. Go back to Nijisanji or whatever the fuck you guys watch because the Stars already said multiple times for you fucks to stop with this shit. You people became worse than the actual unicorns/goslings.

>> No.26338587

>>26337740
Correct. That's what he means by it being about "my male fanbase" rather than "his female fanbase".
>>26337793
Yes, but he also points out Rushia and the whole "double standard" issue of fans (where I think he misunderstands that making content out of being uncomfortable doesn't mean everything is par for the course). If this wasn't contentious, clippers like him wouldn't get much attention for their clips or opinion about it.
I think the core fanbase is going to go along with most things a chuuba wants to do as long as it's somewhat consistent. Starting to collab with males is risky because you don't know how much of your fanbase you're alienating. Remember how Kiara awkwardly said that she is going to do a kind of collab and it kind of might involve a male (forgot what stream it was actually about, I just remember the conversation)? I do believe some holos are worried, and if that keeps them from collabing with males, it's not like they can't do 20 other amazing things as a holo so fine by me. At the same time, I don't care who they collab with, just don't make it as awkward as the Spiral Tones promotion collab or 66 minutes.

>> No.26338597

>>26338470
Didn't he suddenly bring up Rosemi and one of the nijiEN guys as a comparison for a fucking clip? I remember it being stupidly blatant shilling.

>> No.26338640

>>26337671
>only clips the collab clips most of the time
>90% Roberu, barely anyone else
Yeah sure that's totally a serious Starsfag, he's just a Nijinig that likes Roberu. Glad he went back to Niji where he belongs

>> No.26338678

>>26338587
>That's what he means by it being about "my male fanbase" rather than "his female fanbase".
Why so one sided? It can easily be both. Did you miss how Vox's fans reacted when Reimu intruded on his date stream? If by some miracle the Holostars actually start to capture some of the female market the absolute last thing you want is to immediately alienate them by cucking them with a Hololive collab

>> No.26338719

>>26338544
yes, star threads are model discussion threads despite subhumans using them as hate bait elsewhere that lead angry schizos to invade from time to time despite it being a moderation fault

>> No.26338753

>>26338678
Fair, I wouldn't say it's an one-sided issue either.

>> No.26338774

>>26337179
>"yo holo girl don't wanna collab with my homoboi, here's my reasoning + lemme shill my boi at nijisanji while at it"

>> No.26338815

>>26338544
>so sometimes the sheer amount of bullshit is too much to gatekeep
Don't tell me. And with StarsEN being a possibility my biggest concern is Luxiem fags coming in and demanding shit to be exactly like NijiEN.

>> No.26338822
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>>26338470
Why are there so many of these? Kanauru, Neko Mikuri and this guy. Is it really necessary for them to engage in this subliminal shilling of Niji?

>> No.26338843

>>26338719
Starsfags are (relatively) oldfags, they are exyremely used to it and they have protocol for that shit, it's still annoying when that happens though

>> No.26338858

>>26338822
beggars are gonna beg

>> No.26338859
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26338859

>>26338678
Samurai Warriors 4 Empires literally has a disallow women option.

>> No.26338875

>>26338822
It shows a tragic lack of faith in anything else than hololive.

>> No.26338885

>>26338557
Calm the hell down, are you on your period or something?
>If they don't want to then they don't want to, end of story, and if this isn't an excuse worthy of your grandiose cuntness then fuck off and stop watching them
That is exactly what I am saying, though. They should just say that they don´t want to without making excuses. Are you just typing entire paragraphs to own the imagenary beggars in your head?

>> No.26338896

>>26337179
Is this faggot still going? My God

>> No.26338915
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>>26338859
If only real life had that option

>> No.26338917

>>26338859
based

>> No.26338925

>>26338896
Not really, these days he mainly focuses on being a Nijifag and only begs when he gets jostled about it. Things are way better than they used to be

>> No.26338946

>>26338885
>They should
Why? Why do you believe you're owned a reason? What makes you so goddamn important that Hololive needs to address this?

>> No.26338948

>>26338815
kek, the day when "keep these whores away from my pure son" posts become unironic

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>>26337179
>>26337395
>>26337478

>> No.26338977

>>26338946
>>26338557
>owned a reason
You're fucking retarded and don't even understand English.

>> No.26338978

>>26337674
Kys oberetranny

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>>26337179
>>26338248
>>26338470
>>26338822

>> No.26339015

>>26338977
Sure, and you still didn't answer me why they should be public with their reason. But keep on begging, I'm sure one day your copium supply will end.

>> No.26339018

>>26338248
>>26338470
Of fucking course it's a nijinigger

>> No.26339023

>>26338815
I'm going to tell you exactly what will happen
>newfags pour in and engage in newfaggery
>newfags get fucked and called out and/or banned in several preexisting starsfag spaces
>a bunch of newfags get offended and leave and go back to Luxiem or wherever the fuck they came from
>the rest assimilate over time
>the novelty of StarsEN wears off and only the serious fans stick around after a few months
>numbers go down but peace is ultimately restored

>> No.26339051

>>26338946
Anon my whole point is about making dumb excuses, you fucking retard ESL.

>> No.26339053

>>26337179
>she doesn't even care enough to know that Hololive ID is Indonesia and not India
really? is this before the 3rd fes?
i know this is true for nijisanji though just need to make sure he's not mixing it up

>> No.26339055

LMAO a worthless fucking Nijidog bitching about Hololive's GFE.

>> No.26339069

>>26339015
>Hey this "I'm afraid of men" excuse they made is bullshit
>"THEIR REASON SHOULDN'T BE PUBLIC!!!"
Why are you so fucking STUPID?

>> No.26339096

HHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA CLIPPER SEETHING THIS HARD OMG, KNOW YOUR PLACE HOMO

>> No.26339098

>>26337179
>I half believe this fag is the one spamming all the anti GFE / Laplus threads here
>Sucessfully received psycological damage from /vt/

I literally warned you this is not reddit and you're not welcome here, didn't i? Now there's shit living rent free in your head.
Good luck on therapy.

>> No.26339114

>>26339051
>>26339069
And why they're dumb? Most of them don't even talk about this shit, and those who use "dumb excuses" know you fags would still be mad if they just said they don't want to. Don't fucking act like if they were just honest you would drop this discussion because everyone knows you fuckers wouldn't.

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I swear the more I see these anti-beggar threads the more I am sympathetic towards them because these threads are seriously filled with retards with anger issues.

>> No.26339133

>>26339098
Anti GFE niggers are not welcome. 4chan is built on waifu culture.

>> No.26339148

>>26339114
>Most of them
Why are you deflecting by talking about the ones who never said anything to protect those who outright fucking lied?

>> No.26339154

>>26339096
>Homo
That's actually a Nijinig double wielding as a Homofag, but the Nijiniggery remains

>> No.26339159

>>26339133
This is a fact.

>> No.26339172

Falseflagging thread

>> No.26339199
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Literally nobody ITT watches Holostars btw

>> No.26339207

>>26339148
And why does it matter that they lied? Are your feelings that hurt because some Holos used a "dumb excuse" just so you fags would stop asking this dumb question?

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>>26337179

>> No.26339273

>>26339172
>>26339199
Proof next thread?

>> No.26339279

>>26339148
They lied so they wouldn't make the Stars look bad, retard. Don't tell me you're angrier at a white lie to protect the Stars honor than just telling the truth and saying "Stars are numbers poison and collabing with them would drop my income by 30% and I'm just not that interested in saviorfagging them to give up a third of my paycheck"

Would you give up a portion of your income to saviorfag someone at your work who was failing? No, didn't think so.

>> No.26339290

>>26339207
>lying is ok
Look at the absolute fucking state of you. So they can lie about literally anything then because lying doesn't matter.

>> No.26339299

>>26339273
This thread is enough proof. Same with every stars discussion outside of /stars/.

>> No.26339335

>>26339290
Yeah, you're just some extremist fag. Good luck with your retarded crusade.

>> No.26339347

>>26339290
>Hololive are bitches because they lied so...they wouldn't hurt the Holostars
Seems pretty compassionate to go out of their way to avoid hurting an irrelevant branch to me.

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>>26339273
>proof
Don't even need it. I can easily tell who here is a starsfag telling everyone else to shut the fuck up and who is a random anon falling for a retarded bait thread.

>> No.26339357

>>26339299
Oh it's just the usual homobeggar crying

>> No.26339429

>>26339290
They can do whatever the fuck they want because you aren't their manager, stars or holos. Get used to it or go back to Niji, Ob.

>> No.26339467

>>26338544
damn, protecting us holofags from the shadows, respect starsfags

>> No.26339484

>>26337179
>oboretai
its that homo who had a meltdown on reddit after even reddit sheep told him to stop with his bullshit

>> No.26339496

People seem to be forgetting Vox's incident for some reason. The girls are gonna get shitted on by starsfujo if they collab with Holostars. Why would they want to risk getting into trouble? What's the point?

>> No.26339502

>>26339051
>>26339069
Because you fags twist their words and act like internet lawyers till you find and possible excuse. Oh La+ did an interview with a celebrity one time, this is exactly the same as regular collabs with another streamer. Oh wait no it isn't that shit wasn't even live. Nothing you lot say is about respecting the streamer's wishes, the character they want to play and the atmosphere they want to create. Its twisting shit till you can force what you want them to be so whatever answer they give really doesn't matter.

>> No.26339507

>>26339279
>They lied so they wouldn't make the Stars look bad, retard.
False because they said it to deny all male collabs and not just homos.
Also don't think I give a fuck about the homos. Holostars are a fucking failure and the only standout one is being held back by being associated with the others.
This is all about specific holos lying. I don't even want them to collab with men, I just want them to be honest.

>>26339335
What am I extremist about? Please list my extremist opinions.

>>26339347
>Hololive are bitches
Stop putting words into my mouth, retard.

>>26339429
>They can do whatever the fuck they want because you aren't their manager, stars or holos
That's really ironic of you to say considering the shit Lap just got herself into.
>Get used to it or go back to Niji, Ob.
Who do you think I'm him?

>> No.26339520

>>26339199
i don't watch them, i only listen roberu talk and astel karaoke on background

>> No.26339527

It is the company's job to promote "struggling" talent not the job of other talent.
Saying you are nervous around men is cringe though, just say you don't want to collab with them.

>> No.26339566

>>26339507
>This is all about specific holos lying. I don't even want them to collab with men, I just want them to be honest.
Ah so you're a seething nijifag. Since when is honesty a virtue of any of the Nijiwhores? Also it's a bit rich to be talking about "honesty" when they're supposed to be playing a character. They're acting, so their in character reasons for not wanting to collab don't necessarily have to align with their out of character reasons. Go fuck yourself Nijibeggar.

>> No.26339599

>>26337179
why the fuck does this hobby attract so many people with brain problems anyway

>> No.26339625

>>26339496
Starsfujos barely exist. Even MaFia don't never anywhere near a critical mass of them for that to be a problem. Unless StarsEN comes with a Luxiem strategy they will always be a small part of the fanbase since even Uproar doesn't pander that heavily to them.

>>26339507
You're an extremist because you think you deserve a clear, direct answer to something you already know. This entire conversation is pointless, everyone knows why they don't want to collab with the Stars or any guy for that matter, but you insist that they shouldn't lie because it's bad. You seriously need help, too much /vt/ is frying your brain.

>> No.26339654

>>26339599
>why people attract to the streamer they watch for hundreds of hours

>> No.26339712

>>26339502
>Because you fags twist their words
I have not once done that.
>Oh La+ did an interview with a celebrity one time, this is exactly the same as regular collabs with another streamer.
Yeah it's not and only a fucking retard would say it is.
>Nothing you lot say is about respecting the streamer's wishes
Laplus asked to be held responsible if she gets into shit and now that's exactly what people are doing and you are crying about it.
She also wished to play on the streamer Rust server filled with guys.
>Its twisting shit till you can force what you want them to be so whatever answer they give really doesn't matter.
What is being twisted, retard? Name the statement and then say what I have twisted it into.

>> No.26339720

>>26339496
There aren't starsfujos anon, that's not what their fanbase looks like. They will get shit on because the Stars don't like beggars though. A lot of the Stars are fans of the Hologirls and have talked about them and their streams in their own streams, but they don't want to be the hologirls sidekicks. They want to stand on their own two feet and they don't feel the need to be the same. Stars oldfags (which is most of the fanbase) knows and respects this.

>> No.26339810

>>26338822
Neko Mikuri used to be more of Niji's clipper before producing more Pekora's clips. NijiEN also paying him to produce clips for official channels so there's that.

Also very out-of-context, this was way back when there were "controversy" where some agency are putting Hololive as tag for the VODs. Can't remember if its Prism or someone else, but it became abit of controversy in subreddit so there's that and I suspected this is just him mocking that (because even during the whole controversy, almost everyone admit that the tag really do not mean anything much, the algos took farm more data now before recommending VODs)

>> No.26339832

>>26339712
>Laplus schizo shows up right on cue
So it really is you Oboretai. Guess it's hard being in perpetual seethe that Laplus is more successful than the entirety of Nijisanji

>> No.26339966

>>26339566
Why do nijis live rent free in your head? I haven't seen anything by nijis in months and even that time was because of holo.
Laplus was on the streamer server with that character of hers so clearly there's nothing out of character with her playing with men.

>>26339625
>you think you deserve a clear, direct answer to something you already know
No I fucking don't think that. Show me saying I deserve an answer. Do it.
>This entire conversation is pointless
Yeah because you can't speak or understand English so half of anything said just flies past your head.
>everyone knows why they don't want to collab with the Stars
The answer here is because they're irrelevant.
>or any guy for that matter
You don't know because it's not the same for everyone. Towa collabs with a bunch of men and she's fine. Laplus likes Towa and even talks to some of the guys Towa collabs with but pretends she's actually not doing any of that.
>you insist that they shouldn't lie because it's bad
Why are you insisting lying is good?

>> No.26339977

>>26339712
>Name the statement and then say what I have twisted it into.
He says in the post where h purposefully cuts off
> the character they want to play and the atmosphere they want to create
Then declares La+, the character, desperately wants to stream Rust with guys cause she joined a server. Certainly not making multiple assumptions and ignoring the nature of vtubing.

>Yeah it's not and only a fucking retard would say it is.
Oh good then the retard in the OP is wrong and this topic is done

>> No.26339981

>>26339712
>Laplus asked to be held responsible if she gets into shit and now that's exactly what people are doing and you are crying about it.
>She also wished to play on the streamer Rust server filled with guys.
real life idols interact with guys all the time in a professional setting, just being in the presence of guys isn't a problem you gigantic faggot

>> No.26340027

>>26339966
>Laplus was on the streamer server
Nobody cares because it was on her own time when she's not streaming and out of character.

>clearly there's nothing out of character with her playing with men.
When she's off work and not in her persona as Laplus Darkness? Sure. When she's streaming as Laplus, yes it is out of character.

Remember, vtubers play a CHARACTER on stream. They are not acting as themselves. Pekora does not end her sentences with "peko" in real life

>> No.26340034

>>26339966
And we're back to Laplus. You seriously need to take your meds. You're just unhinged at this point and any doctor would sent you straight to a mental asylum.

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>>26339832
Fuck off ENcuck. You never even watched Laplus outside of some EN collabs so don't even pretend like you care about her success.

>> No.26340076

>>26339966
This guy seriously has a grudge against Laplus because she won't stream with men fucking KEK. You are the epitome of a soijak.

>> No.26340201

>>26337179
>a random clipper on YT.
Who cares, I watch what I want without giving a fuck about some faggot's opinion

>> No.26340237

>>26339977
>>26340027
She joined the server with her Laplus account you fucking idiots. It doesn't matter if she wasn't streaming, she was still on a semi-public platform as Laplus. Is your argument here that she's was going to be completely out of character when talking on a streamer server with a bunch of people she doesn't even know.

>>26339981
>real life idols interact with guys all the time in a professional setting, just being in the presence of guys isn't a problem you gigantic faggot
I never said it's a bad thing and the server isn't a professional setting especially when your argument is "it's ok because she was doing it on her own time". I mentioned Towa in another post so I obviously don't care about her talking to men. She just shouldn't lie.

>> No.26340263

>>26337179
>Oboretai
>Homobeggars
Those things aside, "their female fans will be upset" and "I'm too busy" are bullshit excuses. Holostars fans are completely fine with female collabs. Roberu's fans probably want him to get married asap because they're worried about him.
The only reason why most Holos don't collab with non-Holos (not even with safe ones) is because they're afraid of losing their audience. Mikochi, Pekora, Aqua, Subaru, Marine, etc. have much more to lose than a random 2view. It's just business, nigga~.

>> No.26340334

>>26340034
And you're down to nothing but insults. Your only "argument" is that I shouldn't mention Laplus because actually you shouldn't want someone you support to not fuck up.

>>26340076
When did I say I want her to stream with men?

>> No.26340424

>>26340237
>She joined the server with her Laplus account you fucking idiots
Discord accounts for Holos are private. You don't get to see what they're doing on there so it doesn't matter either way.

>Is your argument here that she's was going to be completely out of character when talking on a streamer server
...Yes? Why the fuck would she be in character in her personal time and not streaming you fuckwit? Do you think Johnny Depp acts like Captain Jack Sparrow when he goes to parties? You are utterly retarded.

>She just shouldn't lie.
She never lied, not that it matters to you anyway since you're on an autistic crusade to anti Laplus at any cost no matter what she does. She doesn't owe you anything, you're a faggot and should really just neck yourself.

>> No.26340484

>>26340334
I don't care about what Laplus did or didn't, you're the one acting like Holos should be 110% clear about why they don't want to collab with guys and that white lies are somehow a crime against humanity or some shit. You seriously need mental help for putting that much importance on what an eceleb did or did not.

>> No.26340528

>>26340334
Laplus only "mistake" was using her Hololive discord account in her spare time. That's it. That's the sum of it. She literally did nothing else wrong. If she created a new discord account and used that she would have done literally nothing wrong whatsoever. You are sperging about bullshit that nobody cares about, not even Cover gave her a slap on the wrist it was that irrelevant of an issue. She got a "Hey, don't use corporate accounts in your personal affairs" notice and that was it.

Why are you trying to blow this up into some big "Laplus lied, Nijis died" thing when it's just a matter of her using the wrong account to play games with her friends?

>> No.26340556

>>26338815
It will never get that bad because they would need a) a bigger fanbase than it will get and b) way more schizo Chinese girls in the fanbase, thank God for Coco

>> No.26340652

>>26340424
>Discord accounts for Holos are private. You don't get to see what they're doing on there so it doesn't matter either way.
The server is not private you fucking idiot. Streamers with 800 fucking followers can join it and see this totally out of character Laplus writing there according to you.
>>26340424
>...Yes? Why the fuck would she be in character in her personal time and not streaming you fuckwit?
What's personal about her talking on a public discord serverm you fucking idiot?
>She never lied
She did because she's being just like Towa without being upfront about her connections to the very same FPS streamers Towa is connected to.

>> No.26340698

>>26340556
It's not the Chinese girls I'm afraid off because they clearly want the separation, it's their Western fans that love to say how much better Nijisanji is with the mixed collabs and how they hate "muh idol culture". There will be a lot of eyes when StarsEN debut, for better or for worse, but hopefully these people will get culled sooner rather than latter.

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>>26340652
>Nooooo Laplus talked to men in her spare time she's being dishonest! She needs to tell me if she speaks to a man when she's not streaming if she doesn't that's LYING. Noooo stop being like Towa!

>> No.26340720

>>26338822
This can't be real

>> No.26340725

>>26340237
Your point makes no sense as you are assuming off stream Laplus was going to start playing with other people in character. And you also know as a fact this was out of a desire to stream with men. But whatever anti-male force cause her to drop this. Or, the person behind the character accidentally used the wrong account. No one cares if she does that when out of character

>>26340652
>upfront about her connections
This is what people mean by you don't understand that vtubers play a character

>> No.26340747

>>26340484
>you're the one acting like Holos should be 110% clear about why they don't want to collab with guys
When did I say they should say anything? I never did that. If they don't want to collab that's on them. Most don't even collab with every other hololive member and no one gives a fuck about that and they don't need a reason for that either.
The problem again is lying.

>> No.26340751

>>26338822
Where the fuck are the dox niggers when you need them?

>> No.26340782

>>26340652
>without being upfront about her connections
Why would Laplus need to be "upfront about her connections" anon? Explain this logic to me. Does Botan need to disclose all her business connections from her past life? What do their IRL connections have anything to do with their Hololive characters and why would they need to disclose their personal relationships as their Hololive characters to their Hololive audience?

>> No.26340803

>>26340698
They will absolutely get culled, they won't be watching the Stars for long if they can't have that itch scratched. Oboretai himself is halfway out the door at this point

>> No.26340811

While he doesn't clip as much, Takamaru is much better. I like to watch clips of Stars, there's no need for drama like Oboretai does.

>> No.26340827

>>26340747
>The problem again is lying.
Why are you so autistic? It's not lying to maintain a separation between the character you play as a vtuber and your irl friends and connections.

>> No.26340836

>>26340725
If she was off stream out of character then why was she on a public server? If you love this character bit so much shouldn't you be against what she did as she was publically breaking her character where a bunch of no name streamers could see her doing it?
You could even see her "out of character" messages on another streamer's stream.

>> No.26340852

>>26340811
There are literally zero dramafag Holostars clippers. It's just this guy.

>> No.26340880

>Literal who
>Redditor
>Making a thread about it
>100+ replies
Literally kill yourselves fucking cancer. I fucking hate this dogshit garbage board for outsourcing vtubers to a bunch of ENnigger, entry level newshit redditors

>> No.26340915

>>26340782
Her presence on the streamer server is not a personal relationship or a business connection.

>> No.26340926

>>26340836
I've already said that it was a mistake to use her Hololive discord. She did nothing else wrong. Period.

>> No.26340936

>>26340803
If only he fucked off faster.

>> No.26340965

>>26340926
It wasn't an accident. She used the hololive account on purpose. It's only a mistake now that it has become a problem.

>> No.26341000

>>26340915
She was there in a personal capacity and not playing her character. Dunno what else to tell you anon. It's possible for someone to be at an official event in both an official, in character capacity, and an out of character capacity. An obvious example would be someone like Mori attending an anime convention as herself as a regular attendee and not as a Hololive character. Nobody would sperg out that she did something wrong by here mere attendance, even if other vtubers were there as their characters.

>> No.26341016

holostars good, hololive bad!

>> No.26341028

>>26340782
She was doing shit as her hololive character since she wanted clout from it. That was the problem.

>> No.26341056

>>26339507
>>26339712
>>26339966
FUCKING KILL YOURSELF OBORETRANNY. Im going to fucking mass report your fucking channel. Enjoy building it from the ground up again faggot

>> No.26341088

>>26341000
>She was there in a personal capacity and not playing her character.
So she was in public in personal character while not playing her character.
Is that really what you're defending here? You defend vtubers acting in public out of character?
>Mori attending an anime convention as herself as a regular attendee and not as a Hololive character
Laplus was on the server as Laplus you fucking idiot.

>> No.26341096

>>26337454
hey i look up and there is none, you lie

>> No.26341115

>>26341056
See >>26340037

>> No.26341161

>>26338248
Yeah, Nijisanji is reddit

>> No.26341192

>>26341088
>Laplus was on the server as Laplus
On the discord server. Which is a nothingburger, she was using her Hololive account but talking out of character. If Cover who have an actual financial stake in this barely give a shit I fail to see why I should. She used the wrong discord account. Who cares.

>> No.26341234

>>26337179
Because they're fucking losers who never faced any pushback on anything in their lives previously and thus are accustomed to getting their way if they stamp their feet. They don't want what they're actually asking for, they want the attention and the feelings associated with having "accomplished" something.

>> No.26341237

>>26341192
>On the discord server.
On the public discord server for streamers.
>She used the wrong discord account.
On purpose, not accident.

>> No.26341245

>>26338248
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SEETHE HOLOBRONIES

>> No.26341264

>>26337179
Any source for this shit?

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>>26338248
>>26338470
>>26337179

>> No.26341324

>>26341237
>On purpose, not accident.
You have to prove this assumption. The proof against is her own words saying she made a mistake. So prove it wasn't and that this was a forced backtrack

>> No.26341338

>>26337179
Why does he give a fuck
If the holo girls want to colab with the holo guys they will
if they dont they wont
or does this person want to force them?

>> No.26341340

>>26341237
>On the public discord server for streamers.
Oh no! Wait...No I still don't care and neither does Cover. If she used her personal account it wouldn't have mattered at all. Again it all comes back to her just making an honest mistake.

>On purpose, not accident.
Buddy the only place you can come up with schizoid narratives about how Laplus was being machivellian and trying to gain clout by using her Hololive account rather than her just being a lazy kusogaki who didn't want to create a new one is in your own head. In these parts we need evidence and you have absolutely nothing but your own delusional reading in to a complete non issue.

>> No.26341356

>>26341264
The faggots community page unless he deleted it.

>> No.26341397

>>26338267
This is true. It's immediately obvious if you compare many vtubers with twitch streamers & famous youtubers - most of them wouldn't have ever made it without the model (though at this point it's fake it till you make it and many become legitimately good entertainers)

>> No.26341434

>>26337674
>his first line
Bold of you to assume I actually read that autism vommit, or the rest of your post

>> No.26341439

>>26341356
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxbEVY0RlaPKl_B5EWUhduYVc0MjIzQ8Z8

One of the replies to the comments to a Zeta 087

>> No.26341462

>>26341324
The steamer server is only for people with over 50,000 subscribers. Laplus has over 50,000 subscribers. There was no other account she could use. It was on purpose. There were other popular vtubers like the VSPO girls & Nijisanji folks there. She didn't change her username from Laplus. She was Laplus, with her subscriber count, representing Hololive, where streamers from all the vtubing companies could see her, and her wanting to play and interact with men. The accident was the server being banned by management and her getting caught. Not that she was Laplus. Being Laplus was intentional.

>> No.26341498

>>26341324
>The proof against is her own words saying she made a mistake.
Her own words were that the mistake she made was not checking with her manager.
If she just accidentally went in with the wrong account why did she not switch accounts and instead kept talking?

>>26341340
>her just being a lazy kusogaki who didn't want to create a new one
She already has a separate discord account she uses all the time but you wouldn't know since you're a fucking tourist who doesn't know a single thing about her outside of what you heard on /hlgg/.

>> No.26341533

>>26337179
Oh i wish, i really wish i could just doxx myself so i could bring out the prove for this faggot mindset.
Qrd: Fucker is a legit schizo, nothing will remain peace until he could fulfill his "justice", claimed he was also a Holofan but his attention are so diluted he barely know what is going on with other girl anymore.

>> No.26341569

>>26340852
>only one dramafag homo clipper
>it's actually a nijifag
sasuga
in a round about way reading some of the replies in this thread made me respect the actual homofags

>> No.26341574

>>26341498
All the hardcore fans sperg out about how Laplus lied to us for using the wrong discord account in a fucking Rust server literally nobody gives a fuck about. I have literally never seen anyone try to make a mountain out of such a tiny molehill.

>> No.26341593

For claiming to not be a La+-schizo you sure are hellbent on redirecting this whole thread from shitting on the oboretai-faggot to your grievances with her.

>> No.26341609

>>26340263
>The only reason why most Holos don't collab with non-Holos (not even with safe ones) is because they're afraid of losing their audience
As they should be. Streamers, every single one of them, should've be so beholden to their audience that their every move revolves around not losing them. All the nice shit they've bought since their debut date is only possible thanks to the generosity of others.

>> No.26341607

>>26338915
World's only true incel

>> No.26341612

>>26341462
NTA
>The steamer server is only for people with over 50,000 subscribers.
I thought that was true at first but it's actually not. There are a lot of streamers with less subscribers than that, most notably Laplus' own friends including one who's not even a streamer.
You're right about everything else though.

>> No.26341625

>>26341593
It is the La+ schizo he's been creating threads about how Laplus is becoming Towa for a while now.

>> No.26341639

>>26341574
>a fucking Rust server literally nobody gives a fuck about
Ok this is how I know you're an ENfag.
Why are you even talking about JP vtubers when you don't follow any of them?

>> No.26341648

>>26341462
>The steamer server is only for people with over 50,000 subscribers
So lying and twisting shit, nice combo

>>26341498
No please provide the clip of I wanted to stream with them on my channel.

>> No.26341672

>>26341612
How could 5ch lie to me about that
I've never felt so betrayed

>> No.26341699

>>26341648
>No please provide the clip of I wanted to stream with them on my channel.
When did I ever claim she said that? So much talk about twisting words and now you're the one doing it in the most obvious way.

>> No.26341748

>>26341639
You're right I should care deeply about how Laplus used the wrong discord to chat to friends. You've taught me the error of my ways La+ schizo let me created a billion threads about how vtuber Rust is serious business and how Laplus lying led to the deaths of millions of innocent Plusmates

>> No.26341766

The anons defending Laplus are like the redditors who said it's ok for Rushia to have a boyfriend.

>> No.26341772

>>26338822
lmao that Xion guy is a known chink anti who likes to pretend he's not, he posts all over the holo subreddit with his flaming hot takes

>> No.26341794

>La+ schizo is also the guy who tried to push the Rushia + Mafu rrat hard
It's all coming together now

>> No.26341800

>have fame
>can't use it for clout
It must really burn these girls up.

>> No.26341805

>>26341748
>to chat to friends
To chat on a public discord server for streamers. How are you still getting this wrong? Just go back to global to circlejerk about how you're owning the schizos of holos you never even watch.

>> No.26341815

imagine defending oboretai lmao what a homo

>> No.26341850

>>26341794
Are you saying Rushia never met up with mafu or something now?

>> No.26341852

>>26341699
Start of this conversation was about reason to stream with men being a lie or not. With this example being a case of wanting to stream with men. I guess she joined a streamer discord in character to not stream. And you're angry that she lied about wanting to stream with men, which in this case means talk to friends on discord.

>> No.26341867

>>26341805
>To chat on a public discord server for streamers.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO! THAT FUCKING BITCH LAPLUS HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO MEEEEEE

>> No.26341891

>>26341852
>which in this case means talk to friends on discord.
It was a public server for streamers.

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>This channel is about ME trying to SAVE Japan with my SUPERIOR storytelling
>only put up a few vids related to that and became an attention-seeking clipper instead because of the views
>now wants to SAVE Hololive instead by enforcing his own ideology
the state of this guy

>> No.26341923

>>26341850
No it's been known they were friends for ages. The rrat was they were fucking based on some matching tableware which was baseless. Rushia never had a BF, was completely vindicated, you got burned trying to push baseless rrats about her and mafus relationship and now you've moved on to Laplus.

>> No.26341930

Actually it's totally fine for vtubers to randomly post completely out of character on their vtuber accounts in public.

>> No.26341980

>>26341908
This smells like a tranny writting it

>> No.26341983

>>26341923
>Rushia never had a BF
But she literally had multiple public BFs in the past that she's now trying to hide.

>> No.26341996

>>26341891
So there was no lie from her then. Nothing to do with wanting to stream with men and lying about the reason. She just wanted to talk, with streamers, who can be her friends, which is not streaming.

>> No.26342008

>>26337179
You answered your own question by calling him a fag

>> No.26342026

>>26337674
kill yourself dumb nigger

>> No.26342043

So basically Rushia schizo moved targets from Rushia to Laplus presumably because they were close. Interesting.

>> No.26342100

>>26341996
She said she's a unicorn herself and therefore respects their views. Her going on a public server to do something like that is going against what she said unless you're somehow now expanding unicorns beliefs to allowing male friends.

>> No.26342151

>>26342043
They're still friends and I wouldn't be surprised if Laplus graduated and immediately collabed with Mikeneko. She seems to be equally tired of Cover's shit in a record time from debut.

>> No.26342195

>>26342151
Doesn't like Cover, definitely a Nijifag. Filipino? Pretty likely.

>> No.26342230

>>26342195
Mikeneko is a nijifag but I don't think she's filipino at all.

>> No.26342297

>>26342230
Trying to deflect. Interesting.

>> No.26342364

>>26342297
Since when does Mikeneko like Cover?

>> No.26342487

>Nijifag
>Hates Unicorns
>Hates Rushia
>Hates Laplus
>Born in the 3rd world
Damn how the fuck do you end up on the losing side every single time. No wonder he's so bitter.

>> No.26342530

>>26342487
>Hates Unicorns
Where did you get that from? Wouldn't a unicorn be against their oshi talking to any men ever?

>> No.26342614

>>26341607
Doesn't seem very in to me, he's just a cel.

>> No.26342704

>>26337179
>oberetai
lmao i remember this nigga even from pre-vtuber years where he tried to make a shitty novel that was a very bad of sao, re:monster and slime tensei fanfic

>> No.26342877

>>26337179
maybe hes into cuckolding?

>> No.26342947

>>26342487
Being born in the third world leads to those other mental conditions.

>> No.26343168

>>26340965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufYM8oFB5g

She herself said it was a complete accident retard.

>> No.26343257

>>26343168
If she accidentally entered the server with the wrong account she could have just left and come back with the right one.

>> No.26343297

>>26341699
oh my god you are fucking slimy you LN reading faggot, Jesus Christ.
Your Coco clips were fun but by god you have become something very very vile since then.
Reflect on yourself, take your fucking meds, and get off the internet for a while. This is not healthy for you.

>> No.26343322

>>26343297
>>26340037

>> No.26343360
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>>26340811
He's going down the exact same carousel anon.
Homos --> Nijis --> Anti Gachikoi clips.
Every single fucking homobeggar goes down that route for some reason.

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>> No.26343471

>>26343360
Not just any anti gachikoi clips but anti gachikoi clips from homostars.

>> No.26343501

>>26343360
they self insert as the homo they clip

>> No.26343543
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>seething at holoID

>> No.26343570

>>26343322
oh boy

>>26341237
>She used the wrong discord account.
>"On purpose, not accident."

>>26341699
> No please provide the clip of 'I wanted to stream with them on my channel'.
> "When did I ever claim she said that?"

You forget your own statements made an hour ago. Unironically take your ADHD meds.

>> No.26343640

>>26343570
Neither of those statements have anything to do with each other. Take your meds and quit pretending like you care about Lap when you have never even watched her.

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>>26343543
kek
pls kobo collab with uproar reeeeeeeeeeee

>> No.26343730

>>26343543
>It's the same story with Nijisanji. Kuzuha having a million subs doesn't mean he treats his peers with 70k subs as an inferior
C O L L A B F E E S

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>>26343543
Funnily enough I don't remember any of the male Nijis promoting any of the Yumenographia girls despite "being under the same company". No one blamed them for it either.

And every nijinigger claims "Yumenographia isn't part of Nijisanji" when they get mentioned. Yet they freely use the "holostars and hololive are under the same company" argument, when both are under completely different company structures with only Cover being the common entity.

>> No.26343758

>>26343640
> quit pretending like you care about Lap when you have never even watched her
the sheer level of irony

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>>26343640
Take your meds

>> No.26343835

>>26343703
Kobo would rather collab with her 2view Indonesian slave than holostars

>> No.26343873

>>26343758
>the sheer level of irony
What irony? You're doing exactly the thing she said her fans shouldn't be doing when she fucks up.
Where's your membership? I posted mine.

>> No.26343874

>>26343835
based, holostars aren't people, they're lower than slave

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>>26343835
amen brother

>> No.26343960

And we get to the usual hate towards Holostars... this is why i hate thread baits. at some point this becomes a source of free hate, and the guys did nothingthis is why i hate thread baits. at some point this becomes a source of free hate, and the guys did nothing

>> No.26344005

>>26343960
That's the only point of these threads really.

>> No.26344014

>>26343960

Also, i making the double speech my mark

>> No.26344035

>>26343930
As much as I hate the monkey, I'd rather have monkey collab than holostars collab. At least I won't see his fan on EN and JP.

>> No.26344190

>>26343873
Her actual fans already scolded her, and she recognized that she fucked up and apologized for it, which I already posted here >>26343168
Her real fans have already moved on, the incident is done.
For some reason you are the only one stuck on it and pushing "she was lying" narrative. You're not a fan, you're just an anti pretending to be a fan.
And no, don't give me that "I'm a member I can do anything" bullshit. Coco and Chihiro's antis also entered her memberships, doesn't mean shit. You're acting like an anti, so people will call you an anti.
Now go and take your fucking meds.

>> No.26344222

>>26343960
It's nijiniggers trying to create rifts between Hololive and Holostars, since realized that they can't break the bonds between the holomem themselves after years of trying.

>> No.26344291

>>26344190
So I'm an anti despite continuing my 5+ months of membership. Interesting.
Again, where's yours?

>> No.26344318
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26344318

???
The LaCucks are still larping that their whore is somehow innocent?
All right LaCucks, time to have a meltdown.

Here LaCucks, gather! You can now pick one of your choice! If your whore is being a two-faced bitch:
Offstream
>>26310166
Onstream
>>26310900

>> No.26344419

>>26344035
Believe me, as starsfag who lives on /Stars/. Neither the real starsfags watchs the girls, a fee actually hate them instead... But not for not doing collabs with the Stars, it's a little more complicated. Anyway, real fans don't mind going on girls' streams unless they're their fans too and they act like normal fans

Homobeggars are hated even on /Stars/, because the Stars already already said they don't like these things and the fans, following that, started to hate them. Homobeggars are mostly people who don't watch both, Hololive and Holostars, and just want to do threadbait after any collab doing be the talents own will... Or just want to turn Holoproduction into Nijisanji 2

>> No.26344479

>>26344419
>/stars/fag sucking dick for approval again

>> No.26344545

>>26343741
>with only Cover being the common entity.
The structure goes like this :

Cover corp

>Hololive Production

>>Hololive
>>>Hololive JP
>>>Hololive ID
>>>Hololive EN

>>Holostars Group
>>>Holostars
>>>Uproar

>> No.26344549

>>26337674
>using "him" again
Hi, oborefag. Guess you don't know when to fuck off considering you were one of the retards pushing for nijis on the holo >reddit

>> No.26344591

>>26343960
Nobody actually hate holostars because they're so irrelevant.
The fans also stay within their threads.
So you're left with tribalfag pretending from either side in this kind of bait thread

>> No.26344622

>>26344545
>>>>Hololive JP
>>>Holostars Group
No such a thing because Covar is retarded

>> No.26344623

>26344479
... Look, i won't even bother myself giving the (you), i know the bait too well

I'm doing with a fan do, trying to protect the image of the group that i like

>> No.26344799

>>26344623
>>26344479

>> No.26345178

>>26337179
Why do they always make it sound like the Homos are this group that need saviorfagging? If they wanted to grow they’d all start acting like Pekora but they don’t because they’re probably fine the way they are now.

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>>26344291
HAHAHHAHAH NTA but ive been following her before you even know her exist retardo.
5 months are nothing. ive been paying for her 10k yen member since it opened(last november iirc?) ive been watching 6 of her real life vlogs over and over again(already deleted since her secret announcement to her old fans) ive been looking at her photos where she eat ramen with 2 of her childhood friends, going to arcade, playing ping pong with her little brother and going kyushu and kyoto with her entire family. did you know her mom is as short as her and her dad use walking cane? ofc not, you are just a bandwagoner poser who never cared about her. ive went to her favorite ramen shop multiple times in hope that i get to see her eating there. doyou even know what her favorite seats are? do you even know what her favortie menu there? nope! you are just a fans of her after mere 5 months AHAHAHAHAH!
5 months is fucking nothing. nothing. go back to being an anti retard. ill support lapuchan till she stopped breathing. then ill take my own lives.

>> No.26347097

>>26346973
So you're that creepy stalker that keeps posting photos of her on /jp/.
Why do you support her lying in hololive when you know how she really is?

>> No.26347177

>>26347097
because i actually knew her? you are an anti. im a fan.
>lying
this prove you know nothing about her.
nothing.

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