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26092872 No.26092872 [Reply] [Original]

Actual question, how the fuck do vtuber corpos get away with having such godawful rigging when there are a million indies with better models that move much better? Every corpo model is so stiff and lifeless, the head barely moves if at all, no hand tracking, eye and mouth tracking is shit, accessories are either stiff or nonexistent. How do I get hired to do this bad of a job?

>> No.26092998

Big corpos are already stablished and don't have to try, they'll get hood views even with shit tech

>> No.26093109

>>26092872
Your indies look like those interlaced 60fps anime scenes. Which is to say they look like shit.

>> No.26093155

>>26093109
it isnt 2020 anymore nigger, OP is right holo rigs are just lacking.

>> No.26093460

companies have standards in terms of time spent.

>> No.26093637

>>26092872
Because no one look at them when they're streaming. You either watch the game she's playing or you do something else, but no one stare like a retard at the model for hours.
At the end it could even be a png moving right and left and that would have the same effect

>> No.26093738

hololive could switch to being pngtubers and people would still watch them more

>> No.26094656

>>26092872
because this >>26093109
they don't look like anime, 99% of anime are just still images with flapping mouths on 8fps. indies on the other hand look like flash games from 2000s.

>> No.26094808

>>26094656
flash games from the 2000s were great though

>> No.26095091

because sometimes the indies are just wasting money anon on rigging anon.
Although Shylily and Kson have the best models rn, i feel the extra rigging is a bit unnecessary. The tit bouncing everytime or the sword rigging is just a waste of money honestly.
It makes for a good model, but I feel its really noyt worth the money.
Imo, rather have a model with an excellent character design with just above avg rigging.
Example Fauna, Lamy, Koyori, Chloe, Iroha, Mori, Zeta, Reine, Marine.
As they make sense economically.

>> No.26095162

>>26095091
>mentions Best models
Does not mention any vshojo model

>> No.26095338

>>26093109
>>26093637
>>26094656
All these fags are correct. It's like watching a typical cinematic 24fps film with that shitty 60fps TV interpolation that's always on by default nowadays. The bad thing about using open source and free software is...everyone uses it. They all move the same and look the same. Hololive & Nijisanji actually did the right thing by using their own in-house tech and focusing more on the talent. If their characters were some normie shit like a Marvel character then it would make sense, but if you're going to be a vtuber that's styled like an anime character, you should barely fucking move.

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>>26093109
>corpo chuubas look bad on purpose

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>>26092872
many big streamers and youtubers have expressed that at this age, better gear does not equate to better viewing experience. its an option but not necessary.
small streamers make the mistake of investing in equipment instead of improving other things like their chat interactions and dialogue fluidity. this is why you can see desperate vtweeters boasting about their expensive riggings

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26095581

>multimillion dollar corporation with hundreds if not thousands of employees
vs.
>some fat furry stoner chick with an iphone

>> No.26095754

>>26092872
Corpos with big names try to hire/contract out but get overcharged way above market rate because the riggers know the corpo can afford it. Then there's the endless delays and lack of communication on both sides and by the end of the rigger just do a half assed job and tell the corpo to pay more if they want something better. Having an in house rigger isn't any better. They also half ass it and aren't talented or skilled enough to know they did a shit job or how to fix it so you run the risk of having to contract out anyway. The riggers that are really good at it are constantly swamped with work and have to deal with indies refusing to pay or communicate, shit like waiting till the rigging is done and then complaining about stuff trying to bail on full payment. It's also why corpos try to use the same people over and over again if they find someone good, but then the rigger gets funky ideas like they should charge more since they're constantly in demand. It's almost like there's a market for someone to be the middleman to facilitate the transaction with a ratings system.

>> No.26095804

>>26095493
Based. The only ones I don't mind are the extreme outliers where the tech is just fucking insane. It's never enough to compensate for their boring personality but you need people like them pushing the technology forward to pave the way for something more scalable and accessible (eventually). It would stagnate otherwise.

>> No.26095915

>>26095581
Possibly the worst post I've seen on /vt/. Congrats.

>> No.26095927

Because big corpos like Niji and Hololive don’t rely on react to content. People aren’t used to just focusing on the face to see what their reaction is. Indies on the other hand do react to content 40-50% of the time so people are always looking at their faces onions face,pog and crap.

>> No.26095948

>>26092872
I don't think they look worse tho, most indies keep twitching nonstop at every move and also the vast majority don't know how to calibrate the depth thing and keep shrinking all the time, it looks terrible
I still think nijisanji has the best live2d with the 3.0, they move just enough without going all over the place

>> No.26095992

Hololive rigging is atrocious, like floating facial features on a stick
I hate how it looks when they move their head left to right

>> No.26096098

>>26095915
Are they wrong?

>> No.26096112
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>>26092872
Two big reasons:
>corporate commissions have strict deadlines
>corporate commissions have a limited budget they can justify spending while for an indie with resources the sky is the limit
Also worth noting that for corporate commissions there's almost never any direct communication between the rigger and the artist drawing the pieces, meaning they can't request adjustments from each other.

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>>26095927
*looking at their face waiting for them to onions face, pog and crap*

>> No.26096151

>>26092872
Overrigging looks like shit anyway with that mouth yapping that doesnt fully synch with the voice

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>> No.26096512

>>26096112
its almost criminal that this bitch is friends with almost everyone related to the industry.
riggers, artists, managers, 2views, and even western ecelebs in japan

>> No.26096517

>>26095581
>>26093109

>> No.26096585

>>26096098
They cherry picked. Compare Chloe's rig to her. They also picked the most charismatic vtuber on the planet that gets big # simply because of her personality to a whore, as if we should watch the whore simply because she moves better. Investing in Subaru's rigging would just be a loss for the company and most of its top talents.

Subaru is also the most retarded woman on the planet when it comes to technology. She probably has the worst streaming setup and lighting for that software so there's not enough data going in.

Just a baffling comparison. A more accurate comparison would be Sana or IRyS.

>> No.26096678

>>26094656
99% of anime only look good in stills

>> No.26096779

>>26096585
>worst streaming setup and lighting
Subaru does, but PNGtuber Finana is the worst.

>> No.26097258

>>26096414
I can't unsee the Nousagi on her head moving exactly like her, both eyes and mouth

>> No.26098039

>>26095162
they all look like pink, purple and baby blue whores, that is by no means good design

>> No.26098181

>>26098039
Big booba = good design

>> No.26098519

Indies gotta work extra hard and place more efforts into what they do if their goal is to join hololive or nijisanji. Hololive being more corporate isn't just going to hire anybody at this point. So these girls and boys have to spend money to make money.

>> No.26100444

>>26092872
Because weebs like to eat shit. Look at all the spending on samey gacha waifus. They look at VTubers the same way.

>> No.26100871

If the model is too well designed and animated it legit distracts from watching the game being played. Not a problem if they're just talking or whatever but I don't want to be distracted if I'm watching gameplay by some 60fps jiggling that is making their game stutter by running on their toaster computer.

>> No.26102043

>>26092872

Here is the thing OP you can have the perfect tool in the market but if you give it to a fucking monkey instead of an actual human being that can effectively take advantage of then you are good to go.

However if you give a trash tool to a trash subject you have examples as Sana.

>> No.26102220

>>26102043
>>26092872

tool to human not to monkey.

>> No.26102298

>>26092872
Literally no one cares about rigging.

>> No.26104865

Funny how VShojo isn't mentioned in this context.

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>>26092872
The only important thing is eyes. The way holomems eyes move is like they're living beings.

>> No.26108535

>>26093109
>>26094656
high level corpo bootlicker cope
no, your companies just know that supreme rigging won't impact their views and not to mention that freelance riggers tend to charge corpos more, much more, because they know that they have the money, but corpos are cheapskates and will prefer to hire inexperienced nonames.
>>26093637
this is technically right, however. the model is merely an alternative to facecam and at this point you could've just turned it off because we're far from reaching CodeMiko's level of tracking to make it an actually viable alternative.

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>>26095091
>unnecessary
I fucking dare you to continue holding this opinion after watching all the things Lily's facetracking allows her to do.

>> No.26109304

>>26104865
No one actually watches VShojo.

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>>26092872
You don't need good rigging to be a great vtuber. Content wise, voice, talent and charisma are what really matter. Top chuubas can just slap their png on the screen and people still watching them.

>> No.26113418

>>26109304
cope

>> No.26113686

>>26092872
Corporate don't want to pay for god tier rigging.
It is expensive investment, and have risk of backfiring on them.
Example: Paying for god tier rigging and unfortunately hiring Aloe/Sana/Nippleboy/Kana/Tsunderia Rie

>> No.26115725

>>26092872
at some point I stopped noticing but yeah, holo is behind in the rig game

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>>26093109
>Y-YOU DON`T GET IT, IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE SHIT! IT`S THE STYLE!! OTHERWISE IT`S NOT REAL™ ANIME™!!!1

>> No.26118595

Holofans justified cover waste of money to whatever copy of mmo games than upgrading their talents rigging models. I as longtime Holofans just wish yagoo would spend money upgrade 2D and model movement.
>Inb4 accused as nijifag
Stfu bootlicker. I care more about talents than cover

>> No.26119258

Most of Hololive's rigs are good, I don't know what's everyone's problem with them.
I agree on the matter for Niji's rigs tho, they look stiff.

Vshojo's rigs are good too.

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