Convince me

[Anonymous No.]

I really find it hard to believe that Salome's 100K CCV every stream and 1 million sub gain in 2 weeks are all real. In manjisanji no less. At this rate, she's going to be surpassing Kuzuha in less than a month.

[Anonymous No.]

No, I'm Pomu

[Anonymous No.]

Why does it matter?

[Anonymous No.]

can tell you're huffing holodrone lies if you believe that manjisanji meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769983
Because I wanna know how can someone get this big. How did it happen?

[Anonymous No.]

lurk more faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Salome is the new entry VTuber, the new Gura for Japs. People who've never watched VTubers before are tuning into her to see what all the fuss is about. This isn't just conjecture either, you can see tons of tweets from Japs claiming they and their friends were introduced to VTubers from her. Her success is the same reason a lot of VTubers are successful, and that's her ability to pull in a new market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
It's bots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770271
But why now? The suspicious part to me is that this matches up perfectly with Anycolor pulling in investors and needing something to show they are a worthwhile investment

[Anonymous No.]

I've been enjoying her streams. I'm not entirely autistic about numbers but I do enjoy them. One thing I noticed with her stream today, is that her "Started streaming X Minutes ago" kept updating despite my never refreshing the page (started at 6 mins, noticed a change at 18 and then 37 mins, stopped paying attention after that). In my experience, that number usually doesn't update unless you refresh the page.
Is that unusual? Might that have something to do with the viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
Nijibots

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770427
If this ever does get revealed as the truth it just might be the end for Anycolor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770427
yeah you bought in to the speculation and memes so you never wanted a discussion

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770563
I don't think her numbers are impossible. I do believe that in the right circumstances it could happen but whenever it comes to corporations I always am a little suspicious of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770474
Perhaps it's because of the new changes to youtube's UI. Mine changed all the time since forever anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770695
you're suspicious because of memes and you're demanding people explain it for you with your dumb memes as the main talking point

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770427
>why did gangnam style go viral when it went viral?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
Desu wa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770808
I never used a meme and you being overly defensive here is just making me question it more

[Anonymous No.]

>posts shit bait
>how come you guys aren't taking me seriously

[Anonymous No.]

damn if only there were a dozen other threads in the catalog about this exact topic OP could've read instead of begging for spoonfeeding like a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770883
>manjisanji meme
>ipo pump&dump meme

just another dindu nuffin

[Anonymous No.]

>>25771027
I think we're both confused. I'm not OP, I just wanted to talk about this in a thread that wasn't full of people attacking each other

[Anonymous No.]

kys and stop spamming the catalog with this bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>25771121
it's not that hard to figure out of you knew nijisanji was popular in japan. Everything trying to dismiss this is a lie or cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>25771228
Would it matter if nijisanji was popular if these people are new to vtubers? I would assume that most niji members would have higher numbers if a new debut was able to pull in and keep these viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25771374
>new to vtubers
nice meme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxQjDcGZYcg
these people never went away

>would have higher numbers
all vtuber subs and viewers are from japan apparently

[Anonymous No.]

>>25771686
The first post I responded to said,
>People who've never watched VTubers before are tuning into her to see what all the fuss is about
I was then told that,
>you can see tons of tweets from Japs claiming they and their friends were introduced to VTubers from her
But now you're saying that they aren't new viewers and they aren't mainly from japan

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that she's always had between 90-110k since she was at 300k subs
The fact that it didn't go up or down all the wag up to a million is weird unless she doesn't recycle her fans and that she gets a new 100k batch every stream, which is unironically impossible

[Anonymous No.]

>EOP can't understand the Japanese trend.
>They scream that it is unjust.
EOP is really pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25772078
You dont understand. This is simply the Japanese trend. Very real, dont think about it too hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
She's cute kuzuga and other niji is not

[Anonymous No.]

If she had the exact same growth in Hololive I'd believe it because they're an honest, legitimate company, but Niggersanji is a black company that is responsible for turning China against Hololive which resulted in the graduations of Aloe, Coco and Rushia

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
Meanwhile hskw still can't get her 1M goals when salome did it for 13 days
Maybe just don't be a whore, niji girl tachi

[Anonymous No.]

>>25772696
>still blaming nijichads for holo's massive fuckup
you know cover could've instantly suspend/fired coco but instead they chose to cut their CN branch and "abandoned" bilibili? The bitch they wanted to keep ended up leaving anyway. Now they're groveling with chinese panderers like marvel and tiktok

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
>Convince me
Why should I? Stay delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

Legitimately, the reason she's so successful is because Youtube Japan has been promoting her hard. Like, actually tweeting at her and stuff. Rather than bots, a more likely rrat is that Nijisanji payed someone behind the scenes to give her an algorithm boost so she got recommended to more people

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
Calm down she's not going anywhere. At most she will surpass the 2 million maybe at the end of the year, if she's truly lucky.
I didn't watch her but I've checked her channel, and I find interesting the fact she doesn't stream more than an hour. Normally the human mind can concentrate more than 20 minutes. So it is a smart move from her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
Fanart is botted. The donations are also botted. Your suspicion is fully justified and matters. Salome itself is a bot too

[Anonymous No.]

>>25773330
Possible, but going back to this anon's post >>25772078 she's kept close to the same CCV count since debut. So if there really are over one million people subscribing why don't more than 100k watch at any one time. If this was over a month the lower CCV would make sense but subscribing to a vtuber who debuted two weeks ago and then not watching the streams, or subscribing and then stop watching less than two weeks later. It doesn't make sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
I dont wanna convince you
I wanna see you seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>25772078
>she gets a new 100k batch every stream
source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25772078
She's a walking contradiction
She certainly has some suspicious points yet she seems legit at the same time
I don't want to think too much about it as she is actually entertaining and a vtuber that plays her character well but the timing makes me have a bit of doubt towards the whole thing
Not to mention this is the same company that debut a new unit called Ranunculus during a big Holo event. I still held a bit of grudge towards the company for letting Ranunculus wasted their debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25773374
I have checked her streams a few times and I think she will destroy her throats if she streams consistently 5 or 6 days a week for more than one hour
Her schedule is interesting tho no wonder people used to thought she is just a prank from Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>25773721
Tourists don't make sense. You need to refrain your mindset, Salomates are the new Chumbuds. They're worthless for anything you actually want a viewer to do, all you get out of them is a channel subscription they'll ignore forever and maybe a view on two of your streams.

Salomates have done shit like harassing Malissa(Fellow Niji) on her fucking graduation day because she overlapped Salome, they're that kind of cancerous newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>25773330
I'm kind of curious with her contract as her contract is probably completely different from regular Nijis
Did Anycolor ever shilled someone this hard someone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25773788
Extremely high turn over rate. Very few chatters, relatively speaking compared to other streams so they're lower engagement viewers making the data less accurate, but even among those who do chat in her stream, a high percentage of them do not come back for the next stream and are replaced by someone who has never watched her before, even in the middle of her RE 7 gameplay

[Anonymous No.]

Not OP but I’m a bit baffled by some things. 1 million in her name, she was introduced because of nijisanji twitter? Or their YouTube channel? Reaching a million right?
I absolutely understand JP autism when it comes to trends, because they go all in. So I have no doubt about that. She gets a lot of fanart that are always in pixiv daily rankings so the popularity is an undeniable factor.
I feel like some aspects were planned or anticipated by nijisanji, because of her sole debut and everything. Not sure to what extent, but it’s sort of strange, unless it really is the power of numberfagging

[Anonymous No.]

>>25773788
And I must emphasize. These are LOW engagement viewers, Salome has some of the worst chat to CCV ratios I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25774685
look at the delta column, retard
Where the fuck is the new 100k viewers each stream? Her delta should match the unique chatters number for each stream in order for that to happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>25774901
NTA, was just providing the source he was using. He was wrong, but she still does have a high turnover rate

[Anonymous No.]

So, I’m supposed to believe that
>Jap holdouts from 2017/2018 are still around in the volume of present viewership, no bleed out
>these same holdouts ignored most if not all chuubas because “it’s just an avatar, not a character”
>supremely low cross-over engagement by the viewers subs
>normalfags also latch on to her
>the short lengths of her streams somehow facilitate her sub growth this immensely
>playthroughs typically dwindle in viewership from part to part, which isn’t affecting her at all in CCV
>her supposed viral rise is related to a gimmick that most normalfags would find grotesque
A question I raise is, how are NNDfags handling her being a chuuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
Who cares? You cunts are deranged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25774949
you can see the delta/unique chatter ratio is going down right until her 1m celebration. Track that number for more than a month and you will see it will keep going down

[Anonymous No.]

>>25774949
also I would say it's not turn over but they just decided to watch her Vods instead
look at this
https://youtu.be/TiAwdnuch0Q
1.2m for a 95k ccv, 1h stream is ridiculous

[Anonymous No.]

>>25774954
They're using her as a weapon to attack Hololive, because all she is to them is a number

[Anonymous No.]

>>25775318
good, since holobronies only care about numbers and do whatever it takes to put down non-holos including botting them

[Anonymous No.]

>>25775318
Why Choco sensei isn't crossed out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776043
They forgot to because they're retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>25774862
>Miko has half the viewers but double the chats

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776223
A real headscratcher.

[Anonymous No.]

>If she is in hololive, her growth is legitimate, honest, definitely deserve more because youtube is clearly culling her
>if she isn't in hololive, her growth is unnatural, dishonest, the result of botting, bought subs and foul play. She is somehow immune to cull
The absolute state of Holocope

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776618
Several factors here don’t line up, and they wouldn’t line up in it being a fresh Holo, either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776618
No one in Hololive has grown exponentially as much as her, so it would make sense why it would cause suspicion

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776223
>>25776293
are we pretending

[Anonymous No.]

Another chcumpbud seething thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>25775376
Meds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776618
>She can have better growth and numbers that any possible streamer out there in less than a month, both inside and outside the Vtubing sphere, and anyone that questiones that is coping

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776806
>chcumpbud
what. are you ok?

[Anonymous No.]

don't care Mei did it 1st

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776710
No one in the industry*

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776885
yes, just send your evidence to YouTube then

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776885

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776960
is this your newest cope?
>just send a report to youtube bro they will totally look into it
they only give a shit about DMCA and copyrights infringement

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776885
>no one outside of hololive should be allowed to break existing record

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776618
Let's take this one step farther. If some random twitchwhore showed up from nowhere, consistently had more viewers than Asmongold from the first day she started streaming, and all she was doing was playing Resident Evil 7 for an hour a day, and her chat was less active than people with half her number of viewers and she mad less in donations than people with a tenth of those viewers, you don't think that's even a little weird?

This isn't about competition anymore, this is about the reality in front of our eyes telling us something that contradicts the world we've always lived in. It violates common sense. If you approach the situation without naively accepting anything that happens, you'll find there's a lot of elements that look suspicious. Be a little more skeptical

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777057
>they only give a shit about DMCA and copyrights infringement
Not really, people have been reported plenty of channels before and YouTube did terminated them
If you can't send it to YouTube then your "evidence" isn't strong enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776960
Unironically I think her numbers are legit at this point, though I did question it a lot when she first came out.
Assuming her viewers are legit, isn't botted and all the support she's getting are genuine fans, then all the more power to her. Her explosive growth hasn't really culled any numbers from Hololive from what we've seen and has little impact on Nijisanj members, so it's not really affecting anyone that harsly in the short term for now.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care but what are nips saying tho?

[Anonymous No.]

>making arguments that make sense
>replies are all "cope" and "seethe"
>people getting called holobronies even when not mentioning hololive or when using hololive as the baseline for examples
why is this such a common theme in salome number threads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777146
Yeah this is what being fed 2 years of nijihater lies looks

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777146
>and her chat was less active than people with half her number of viewers
Marine 3D 118k
Very similar unique chatters >>25774685
I even scraped the chat from yt api and it's 7.7k

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777364
They don't make sense at all. They're based off memes and speculation and they expect people to take them seriously and have a serious discussion with that as a base

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777146
>he mad less in donations than people with a tenth of those viewers
Is hololive number like Pekora faked if they don't earn as much as Vox, a 10K-median streamer?
Accept reality bro, no one except this board is still "questioning" her legitimacy even Japs on 5ch. An EOP shouting that her number is fake while no one in Japan even Youtube Japan itself ignores it? Fucking hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777146
I don't really have a rrat in this race of bots vs not but I don't believe that your example is as analogous as you think unless you went against your own advice and drank the /vt/ kool-aid made by newfags whose industry history begins at 2020.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777456
97% of scientists agree with this post

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777456
I told them just send their evidence to YouTube but they making excuses.
Screaming on this Laotian tennis racket stringing forums won't do anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777447
I keep seeing meme used here. I dont think it means what you think it means. You cannot claim any argument against her growth is invalid because its based on "memes" while simultaneously claiming her growth is from viral memes

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777057
Report it to Niji's investors.
Report it to a dramatuber
Give it to 5ch and let them handle it.
Anons in /#/ going on about how they have all the evidence to prove Salome is botted..Yet no one does ANYTHING with it?
Are you all scared that nothing will come of it and it'll prove she's actually legit or something?
Why isn't anyone actually reporting their findings and finding out if she's truly botted once and for all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777550
It's been over a week and you have yet to prove anything. You keep repeating the same garbage zingers and expect people to accept it. So yes, it is a meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777661
Do you not realize I could say the exact same thing about you, repeating the same garbage zingers, "theyre new viewers, her streams are short, its a trend" and expecting us to believe that makes any sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777565
Because we don't care if she's botted or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777565
>anons discussing if it's real or not
>IF YOU THINK IT'S FAKE YOU HAVE TO GO ALL IN OR YOU'RE NOT BEING HONEST
>IF YOU EVEN HINT AT HER NUMBERS BEING BOOSTED IT MEANS YOU CARE SO MUCH YOU WILL FILE A REPORT WITH EVIDENCE TO YOUTUBE
>HAHA YOU DIDN'T? GUESS I WIN AND SHE'S LEGIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777787
It makes more sense than believing retarded rrats because you're unable to cope with Holosharks getting mogged

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777787
Nijisanji being popular in japan is the one truth that kills all your arguments

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777565
They're scared of having the rrat officially disproven. You can pretend in your head all you want that she's botted as long as there's no official confirmation that she isn't.
> "Look our data and evidence proves she's botted"
>Did you give it to a regulating authority to determine that outcome?
>"N-no, but our data and evidence clearly shows it! we don't need official confirmation!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777839
why do no one give a shit then?
5ch doesn't give a shit
2ch doesn't give a shit
reddit doesn't give a shit
twitter doesn't give a shit
youtube doesn't give a shit
I've been arguing with you about this problem since forever already I have made many posts >>25775030
>>25775165
>>25777439
At this point there's no need to convince anyone anymore, just give it to a 3rd party to see who's right

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777909
It doesn't. Shes almost as popular as nijis most subbed member. They could barely get 1m subs and she suddenly does it in 2 weeks. Thats not popularity, thats boosted numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>when Hololive is breaking record for the vtubing sphere, they are celebrated
>when a non-hololive is doing the same, they are treated with constant suspicion and disapproval
Why is it so hard for people to accept the success of anyone other than those from hololive? Her number while strong is still within the potential limit of Vtuber with her CCV still below Hololive's peak CCV and her subs still below many existing Vtuber

It's not rare when a new Vtuber has greater growth than previous one, this has happened many times before

[Anonymous No.]

>All evidence is invalid and I do not need to actually refute the findings of this evidence if it isn't confirmed by 5ch
This board is hilariously retarded and would probably fall for any hype fueled pump and dumps you showed them, even if one was literally named scamcoin you people are so fucking gullible you would talk yourself into believing it was legit

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777875
Nice zinger there man. I believe that a company is willing to shill out some money to make themselves look better for investors and nothing I have seen disproves that

[Anonymous No.]

this is the most bad faith shilling yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778030
again, this is based on what exactly? Speculation? Not following the hololive model? If there's foul play here, why haven't people that know more than you found it yet? Why are you pretending like you have authority to speak on the subject for days now

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778042
Her CCV is literally among the greatest in the entire fucking world, it is so far outside of the realm of other Vtubers, it's absurd to say they're the same when this level of growth and sustained popularity is nearly unprecedented in all of streaming history

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778026
4 chan is bottom tier trash even lower than those sites.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778137
Because youtube gets big numbers and nijisanji gets big numbers, its a win for both of them so no ones going to call it out

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770271
>new entry VTuber
what entry her viewers are mostly tourist (if they are real) who leaves and don't funnel either niji or holo

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778137
Why do you think the evidence suddenly becomes invalid because it comes from 4chan? Why the fuck do you think the source of data matters more than the actual data? Fucking debunk information itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778137
>just accept authority
go away you don't belong here

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778159
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCVNouUw3d3l5JYVCxhAQXKA
there are a lot of bigger streamers than her, get out of your corner and you will see

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778229
Her big numbers do not transfer to anyone within Nijisanji. They come and go when she starts and end streams and they disappear like ghosts

[Anonymous No.]

I actually watch her but I regularly engage in these garbage threads and I've probably spent hours calling her views botted because it's the latest way to farm (You)s on /vt/. This place is so defensive and gullible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770427
She said she was supposed to debut before vta even started.

[Anonymous No.]

So what exactly is the theory for Salami's numbers being natural. Are they shilling her with a 7-figure ad buy or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778245
Because it's based off speculation and extremely biased? Holobronies have been playing this card for years and dismissing any numbershit milestone that's not hololive. No one has actually proven that they are bots other than "this number doesn't match this hololive's number"

[Anonymous No.]

>>25774685
Why are vrabi chatter numbers 1.5-1.7 times higher than in your chart?
There are things to consider here. Even disregarding word of mouth and twitter, she would get a lot of tourists just from the YT recommendations given her CCV and watch time for a brand new channel. Observe pic related for example, she is pretty much the only streamer playing number one live game in the category. I seriously doubt that shit like this has zero impact on the algo.
Tourists are low engagement but they are a lot of exposure. They push her tags up in the algorithm and you only need to sift through so many to find and turn potential V豚. We will need to look at her aggregate numbers several months later to see if having this many normalfags in the audience worked out for her or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778350
genuinely mindbroken by Holochads
you can't even defend your position without frothing at the mouth to shit on Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778350
It doesn't match fucking xqc's numbers. How hard is it to understand that people become skeptical of numbers higher than one of the biggest streamers in the world coming from nowhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>I will believe in my delusional RRAT and speculation that her number is not genuine because I refuse to admit Nijisanji manage to find such talent
Sound like sour grape to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778365
and these tourists somehow tune in every day
and the ccv never drops, despite it being tourists

[Anonymous No.]

>>25774862
Could it also be because her chat is kinda unique where almost everybody is speaking in ojousama style? Might be hard for some people to comment

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778436
Eigo jouzu

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778365
>Why are vrabi chatter numbers 1.5-1.7 times higher than in your chart?
These chats are scrapped directly from the chat after the VoD goes up, Vrabi captures live chat data which is higher volume and technically more accurate

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778297
>Niji numbers go up, but since they don't go up past an arbitrary point this doesn't count.
Doesn't this also prove it's also Holofans watching her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778436
go shitpost in whatever language your country speaks on a website made for you for the love of god

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778463
Yeah greyname tourists are traditionally really shy to comment due to chat culture, they really pay attention to that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778398
>goes back to memeing
I'm not the one making threads and getting an aneurysm over a non-holo stomping holos in their own numberfag game. Almost 2 weeks and you haven't proven they're bots

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778420
>Is skeptical of something
>Does not go for the option that will ultimately prove or disprove said skepticism when it's as simple as reporting her and waiting to see what happens.
Anons can be as skeptical as they want, but if you actually report her, and they find that she's guilty of botting and remove said bots or ban her, congrats you were right to be skeptical, if they don't do shit to her and don't touch her, welp, guess we were wrong.
But let's face it, /vt/ doesn't want to be proven wrong so anons aren't willing to try and report her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778518
hard to comment when you're a SIM card, I mean tourist

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778504
No, because when she starts streams no numbers go down either. She starts her stream, a swarm of tourists appear, and she ends her stream, and they disappear. We counted how many moved, and it was at most 6k out of her 100k audience. They disappeared.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
I believe her numbers are possible but if this keeps going for months that will be really suspicious

[Anonymous No.]

So, are there any anon that is still being "skeptical" about her number care to explain why her views, subs, comment, Twitter engagement all match up with her popularity? Her million sub celebration tweet get 3 times of likes than Gura's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778555
You undermine your own assertion that people are arguing with memes if you unironically use words like holobronies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778555
Yes you are. You only screencaped that post because it was yours. People in Numbers called you the fuck out too, stop grudgeposting yourself you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

your 4chan experience will vastly improve if you completely disregard shitty ESL posts

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778420
Did you also take yakuza money laundering stories seriously because there is no way a reddit dragon can legitimately be number 1 most superchatted on youtube?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770807
why

[Anonymous No.]

At this point 90% of the people talking about Salome are no lifers spamming nonstop 'cope, seethe, lol you're just mad' garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778581
What % of Kobo's audience moves on to HoloID when she stops streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

>Hololive did x so it's legit if we do 10x out of nowhere
chinese logic

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
If human refuse like kroni and whatever that worthless rapper wannabe can have any followers I believe anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778630
>>25778632
you don't get to demand respect from anyone when you've been antagonizing and being annoying in general to everyone for months. Go prove your claim that they're bots or shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>Chart doesn't work anymore since they show the same curves that Holos show
>Unique chatters isn't that strong of evidence
>Number of comments lines up with Holos
>VOD line up with the sub count
>She trends on Twitter and is big enough for both artists and JP Holos to acknowledge her.
>IPO excuse only works if you ignore the fact that they choose to boost someone only a week before it, but for some unexplained reason they didn't do it for VTA to promote their academy and they didn't do it for any of their more established members. This is a decision that they've likely been considering for at least over a year but for some reason they only now used bots?
At this point the only proof people will accept is seeing the 100K unique watchers' faces themselves. We'll keep having bait threads over it but it's largely a pointless argument, neither side is going to budge from their viewpoint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778737
Not the same.

[Anonymous No.]

keep making essay posts repeating the exact same thing
I hope they pay you well at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
She
>Got 1mil subs faster than any other vtuber
>Got 1mil subs faster than any other woman
>Got 1mil subs faster than any other Japanese youtuber who wasn't already a celebrity
If there was foul play involved, someone relevant would have taken notice by now, don't you think?
Instead, YoutubeJP congratulated her achievement. I have little faith in Youtube, but I really doubt they would've done that without examining her. They had a whole two weeks to do it, presumably did it, and deemed her clean enough to praise her, and I trust this judgement more than that of some schizo /#/igger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778787
Obviously. Kobo is a shitter in comparison. Still, what %?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778297
It's so obviously bots at this point. Grab some popcorn, sit back, and wait for her numbers to plunge when they stop paying for them.

[Anonymous No.]

But if Nijisanji was botted, it would have been more efficient to boost their main channels and not just one newcomer, it would look way better to have many successful products rather than a single one...

[Anonymous No.]

someone post the china filter cp just in case

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776618
If anything, hololive being culled exposes foul play on their side and salome not experiencing the cull proves her viewers are legitimate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
>Convince me
No.
If you think it's fake report it to YouTube and have them investigate. If you aren't sure enough to do that then shut up already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778839
Stop asking questions.

[Anonymous No.]

Bot argument falls apart since we know YouTube's AI is programmed to err on the side of aggressive, so unless you want to go into conspiracy territory and suggest AnyColor found some hole in the code that nobody else has, or that they're paying YouTube under the table to fudge numbers, or some other wild theory, just gonna have to accept that this is a legit phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.]

I like to imagine if she where an indie or in VSPO then Holobronies and Nijiniggers would've been united in hating her and wanting her channel to get exposed

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778924
nijifans didn't get mad at ironmouse getting top sub on twitch though? You're clearly confused

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770807
PSY and K-pop was still niche back then, Salome is equivalent to a new group somehow eclipsing BTS

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778839
Operating on the theory of botting (which I don't necessarily subscribe to), wouldn't it make more sense to boost a newcomer? It would be too suspicious if the Nijisanji main channel or Kuzuha or whatever suddenly got 10x viewers for no reason, but with a newbie they could (hypothetically) rely on the excuse that she's just going memetic. For some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>bigger numbers than xQc
>bigger numbers than Asmongold
>on youtube
>with a largely domestic audience
I can accept being the biggest vtuber, but mogging even the biggest twitch streamers is just absurd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
It does seem suspicious, rather than bots they're probably using Chinese click farms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_pRsSM_sXQ

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube culls people with adblocks
Viewfarms are real devices being used, not conventional bots run off VMs

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778914
We already know that Youtube manually sets their AI to be aggressive against certain channels and has to actually flip the switch on any new channel, which is why channels suffered big culls all at once and not gradually. They also inform the channel owner that they're flipping the switch on their channel to be culled (some Holos like Gura mentioned getting the message).

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779029
*Niche in the West

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>>25779039
Why are we comparing YT and Twitch numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779077
juicer detected

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777364
Because the speculation comes from /#/, which is just a schizo holo tribalist thread.

[Anonymous No.]

One big problem is her super-consistent CCV. She gets her same 100k pretty much constantly, plus or minus 10% or whatever, but she has a million subs she just got this week. Why did all of those million people sub but then never watch? It's like the classic dead subs argument but on a ridiculous, insanely truncated timescale

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>>25779037
Why boost one newbie to 100K when you can just boost the likes of Kuzuha, Kanae, Mito, Ange and Furen to 40 and 50K? It'd be much less suspicious if it's the already popular members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778745
Not asking for respect, it literally does undermine your assertion. Rather than addressing the arguments, you dismiss them as memes, a thesis which you base on...LE HOLOBRONY, a literal meme that has no substance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779077
Twitch is more lenient with viewer counts, which makes Salome's figure even more impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779163
that's hella sus and they have more to lose if found out

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779181
Or you can try reading the thread? You think you get to demand a debate from someone on an imageboard or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779200
There's the built-in excuse of vtubing just being more mainstream and popular these days. It'd look way better for investors as opposed to the company just having one golden goose.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible her fast rise is somehow related to Nijisanji/Anycolor going public recently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778831
We actually have data on this, Kobo steals viewers from othr IDs when she stops streaming, so when Kobo stops streaming IDs just go back to their original numbers. Kobo is a black hole that pulls the viewers out of other ID streams into her own which is where her numbers come from

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>>25778623
That's all bots too.
YouTube and Twitter are in on it. It's part of a conspiracy to make Nijisanji (itself a part of the leftist globalhomo agenda) the most popular company in the vtuber industry.
This is the only logical explanation.

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>>25778987
Yes, an neither do holofans care about Kuzuha being the most watched on many days where he streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779268
no it looks hella sus to investors when numbers spike on established norms

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779306
What %?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779029
>K-pop
>niche back then
I wish

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779358
IDK, I didn't save any screencaps of that data because I don't give a fuck about ID and neither should you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778924
Nijifags are usually only tribalistic against Hololive, everyone else is accepted. Its only Holofags that totally isolate themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
I did sub and watched her

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779350
Vtubers incline all the time. Just add 3 to 5K each week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779253
No, but I think I can make fun of you for alleging to be serious while making an circular argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778987
Why do that when you can add more fuel to the animosity between Holofans and VShojofsns by falseflagging as either a Holofan or a VShojofan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779376
>>25779075

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>>25769779
Bots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779468
I know Holofags have a lot of free time, but Nijifags actually have streams to watch. We don't need to fill time with retarded shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
eh she is beating fujoshit's voxnews so all good in my book..

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779466
what do you think this thread is about? You "people" posting the same butthurt garbage for over a week now

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
all me

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779529
Where is the stream you have to watch instead of replying to me?

[Anonymous No.]

SALOSEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXX

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779529
>Replies to every single bait/low quality thread made about Salome
>We have streams to watch unlike you holofags
Why are nijikeks this bad at lying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779872
Oh cmon anon, let them have this, they've tied their identity to their favorite anime streaming company and they need this win to be real so, so bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779529
>Replies to every single bait/low quality thread made about Salome
>We have streams to watch unlike you holofags
Why are nijikeks this bad at lying?

[Anonymous No.]

How is it that Salome of all people became the gateway drug to Vtubers? Her character isn't unique, her design isn't special. Was she advertised incredibly heavily before debut?

Otherwise I don't understand why she's the one everyone who never watched Vtubers suddenly flocked to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779872
>>25779945
takes like 1 minute to reply to a thread. Holobronies truly starved for content because they don't watch vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779949
uhh i think she says desu wa a lot, that probably would account for exactly 100k viewers every stream since debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779949
>her design isn't special
holy faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779977
t. makes 300 replies on here everyday thereby wasting 5 hours on here

[Anonymous No.]

Are we still ignoring the fact that Millie from NijiEN and Sara from Prism were botted as test runs just before her debut with almost identical viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

It was all me. I chose this random vtuber Nijisanji was debuting out of the blue to bot. I meticulously made hundreds of thousands of fake twitter accounts in Japanese with full timelines to give off the illusion of them being real as a joke. I then used each of these accounts to spam Salome's name in order to make her trend on twitter for a laugh. I then used these same accounts to create hundreds of pieces of fanart, all of which I personally drew, as a prank. I then subsequently bot her streams to 90-100k every single stream, but I do so in a way that appears to have a natural growth of viewership unlike every other botter as a joke. I also managed to avoid Youtube's automatic bot purge system to avoid unnatural sudden drops in viewership for a laugh. I then proceeded to mass subscribe to her channel with all of my bots, again evading Youtube's bot detection algorithm, as a joke. Finally, after doing this, I made sure to simulate a real chat by typing full responses and conversation in Japanese in her chat with all of my bot accounts. It was all me. I deceived you.

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>>25780215
Both the CCV and VOD views got slashed for those.
If Salome's also botted, when's that happening to her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780215
Weren't Sara's VOD views vastly different?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780278
>>25780281
Different, high quality bots. Not the chink bootleg version. Cope.

[Anonymous No.]

ok you faggots keep comparing the biggest vtuber in history some other vtubers especially hololive vtubers which has a different audience.
Here I compared Salome to the biggest streamer in Japan - KoroKoro using the same method here >>25774862. I chose these streams because they have chat relay and had similar CCVs to Salome.

KoroKoro looks very suspicious here.
Does this tell us that he's using bots? No it tells us that these analyses will never tell the full picture. Their audiences are not the same, their streams are not the same,...
So either send your evidence to Youtube or stop posting this crap. I'll never do this again.
Here is Koro's streams IDs
P3yadVEV-f4
nSdVEymKnAA
ujFCYnKaF2Y

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780307
>Test run one type of bot
>Actually run another
Genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780358
Sara's bots clearly were inferior, they can't even speed up the chat or leave a comment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
how are her SCs doing?

[Anonymous No.]

Ho no

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780332
Korekore is not a vtuber or even a gaming channel so this is not even close to like vs. like. Easy to equivocate about different audiences when you’re comparing gaming streams to Japanese Keemstar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780620
unironically what is wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780620
The truth is painful

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780620
I welcome /ringo/ and /meat/ over loose bait thread garbage. The sooner this place is /vtg/ the better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780648
See? Analysis is just analysis, I could argue that Salome has a huge VOD viewers audience (which is true) who rotate with her live viewers and her audience is full of normalfags unlike that of other vtubers bla bla bla...
and why don't you do the same analysis to Jun then? I don't have time for that.

We could argue until the end of time and nothing will happen. No one in Japan cares about this. That's why you need YouTube to step in and end this once and for all.

[Anonymous No.]

>the same falseflagging thread every fucking day
You lazy faggots need to get more creative, this shit is getting old

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780276
Thanks Riku-dono

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
It's bots

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779137
I'm subbed to her since last week and I only watch english sub clips

[Anonymous No.]

Even if there were bots at some point, it doesn't matter, she's actually fun to watch and I'm glad it's her and not some random EN whore
This is what vtubing was all about
This bitch is saving vtubers as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779949
>Her character isn't unique
kek, do holobronies really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25772078
Because people like me can't watch her live
Timzone isues

[Anonymous No.]

>>25783989
You just lack dedication

[Anonymous No.]

>>25780620
Based, holonronies can't handle the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>who is this new vtuber? Is this a joke?
>such numbers! What's her appeal? Clearly, she's botting!
>proceed to watch her to take a look
>90k people doing the same retarded thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
You believe holos aren't having sex with their boyfirends during breaks as we speak but a lady being funny is hard to believe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25784378
You believe anons on 4chinpo aren't falseflagging EOPs and SEAnigs who never watch streams and are just here to bait faggots like you, but factually proven virginity and birthrate crisis in Japan, even among normal people let alone hiki chubas is hard to believe desuwa?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25784378
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.]

This thread has extreme SEA energy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25784629
anon thinks there's some correlation between a woman being a whore and being funny, like his mom being a whore and him being a massive faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

I love how she has utterly mindbroken the holobronies on this board who have no idea of the trends there, meanwhile nip holofags are enjoying her like everyone else. I guess you can cope differently when you have no chuubas to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

holobrony and luxiemsisters SEA-monkeys joining together to seethe about nijijp numbers
true unity

[Anonymous No.]

>>25784908
It took japan a while to accept the ojou-pill

[Anonymous No.]

>>25784723
just this thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779137
Like how gura get her 4 mil? I don't get this question

[Anonymous No.]

>>25786972
Fate has been aboard the ojou-train for nearly two decades.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25784723
You should take a look at the original /#/ thread from time to time, now THAT is a shitshow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
>Convince me
>Implying Holofags can be reasoned with

[Anonymous No.]

>>25784908
Unless "holobronies" refer to EOP which isn't limited to hololive your post doesn't make sense, only EOP holofags have no streams to watch and nijiENfags are just as mad their favorite whores are mogged by her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25793949
>nijiENfags are just as mad their favorite whores are mogged by her
Really? Could you link a post of them seething?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25778753
>She trends on Twitter and is big enough for both artists and JP Holos to acknowledge her.
Kind of agree with the others but this one is not valid, artists are mostly clout chasers and they will focus on popular chuubas, they would obviously try to ride her apparent popularity. JP holos acknowledging her is just about numbers again, the ones that are being questioned for their legitimacy

[Anonymous No.]

I only subscribed to her to make (you) seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>25793949
>nijiENfags are just as mad their favorite whores are mogged by her.
Nigger, /NijiEN/ talk about her streams so much when she's live it overshadows the streams of the actual livers.
No one there is mad at her, they all fucking love her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25793949
>nijiENfags are just as mad their favorite whores are mogged by her.
Why would I be mad when she's getting buffed by her?

[Anonymous No.]

Don't care.
I don't watch her.
She doesn't speak English.
She doesn't play any games I like.
I will probably never watch her.
But I will download all of her art and possibly fap to it if the mood strikes.
Ojou designs are a fucking premium. Especially these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25800214
>she's getting buffed by her?
really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25798631
Proof? Because talking about JP in /NijiEN/ used to cause a civil war.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
It's in her name, hyakuman = 1 million. People took that as a meme and helped her get 1 million subs quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
It's not hard to believe once you analyze the state of vtubing right now. The niche is getting wider, there are no big debuts around, out of nowhere comes a very convincing wild character to remind the fans that vtubing can be fun. Just compare her debut and schedule to the usual. You don't get to "relate" to her, she's not selling you her interests, she isn't delivering a stay-home GFE, she is simply here to play obaio for an hour and entertain you. It's a modern female vtuber for people who aren't necessarily looking for an anime whorehouse to stay the night.

She's an enigma, she's spreading through word of mouth, she's THE trend in the entertainment field relying on trends. Most of all Salome is a dumbass who's still endearing and confidently memeable. You think this is outrageous but breakout talents are nothing new and trying to explain it by anything but circumstances and luck is cope. Just like people tried to explain Coco's wild popularity with being able to speak English while her actual audience barely cared about that. Or whatever cope people used to explain Leos.

Best thing that came out of this is that she's a huge win for people who are into vtubing while people who are in for the drama remain seething on both "sides".

[Anonymous No.]

All these EOPs just can't understand that JOPs just really, really love gokigenyou oujo samas

[Anonymous No.]

>>25803738
This, plus shes playing an insanely popular oujo character, shes the vtuber equivilent to GME and AMC for traders, a meme that instantly caught on fire and exploded, will she maintain these numbers? Idk, only time will tell, but its really not rocket science as to why her numbers went nuclear right out the gate. People are just reading into it way too hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25770807
Gangnam broke into an entirely new market. Vtubing is a thing already. You don't suddenly find 100k new viewers every day like that. There has to be a reason or method that so many came pouring in so fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25793271
Good taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>25776618
Nobody In holo goes straight to 1 million at debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25806105
no niji does that either

[Anonymous No.]

>>25804052
>huge win for people who are into vtubing
You still don't explain why its a huge win. I see a lot of text but I don't see a single point why anon. The only ones that seem to be benefitting from this are the ones that know Japanese and that's it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25806128
She's a vtuber who is fun and easy to watch so for me it's a win because I have fun watching her and talking about her since everyone knows her. People are gonna take notes one way or another and maybe we'll have more of this kind of entertainment in the future. Not to mention this might be a wake up call to others who thought this over the top in-character style isn't popular anymore. I think that overall she's having a positive effect on people and the industry in general.
>The only ones that seem to be benefitting from this are the ones that know Japanese
Well yeah, they're the core vtuber market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25807145
I dunno anon. I just think that the others would just ignore that and focus on going back to one hour streams and more dead hours. People complain about the EN chubbas having dead hours and here is Salome providing even more dead hours than most. Its like people are having double standards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
manjisanji no more

[Anonymous No.]

ok i admit it. its all fake. im botting her. you now have your definitive confession and no longer need to make these threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25807145
>People are gonna take notes
You overestimate the average vtuber's situational awareness. 60% of them are in it as a fad, closer to 90% in the west. The only notes you'll see are the huge uptick in people that get Ojou models and try (poorly) to LARP as a richfag. Just like how there were hundreds of ocean life vtubers suddenly appearing in the months after Gura debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25807453
Dead hours exist because prime time exists. It's not a matter of someone streaming longer. No idea how EN vtubers stream but it feels like NijiEN for example has every hour covered by now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25808322
Even though it is a fad, people who get into vtubing usually are inspired by other vtubers and their styles and quirks. Indies can do whatever they want, not like ojous were rare before, but those who make it into business will eventually put their talent to their own character. And if you wanna get technical we are also affected by her and are taking notes, analyzing her success story as it develops and trying to figure out the secret ingredient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25802276
It isn't May 2021 anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25808322
Honestly, there are no notes to take. Salome was able to take off the way she did because she is a big corpo. Ippanjin don't get 90k live viewers on their debut. I seriously doubt that shorter stream model can work without big audience that is willing to give you a chance and boost the shit out of you in the algorithm. If half a million people from the same region will watch an hour long VOD on the same day it will be recommended to everyone in the country. If it's just 500 people then the channel will die in obscurity no matter how entertaining the streamer is. You need lucky events to grow from zero and the best way to increase their likelihood is still to stream a lot. Maybe corpo management has something to consider but for your average chuuba Salome doesn't change much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25809020
Main note to take from her is that acting in character isn't cringe as it is widely considered now, you're cringe if you can't make it work. Another more specific one is that you don't have to be a mahjong or APEX junkie to join Nijisanji contrary to their current hiring tendencies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25810346
There are some chuubas who act in character and are even good at it. If anything, the lesson is to think about how you are going to be playing the character and how it would make the streams better before commissioning the model rather than coming up with whatever shit came to your mind first and then either dropping it or acting as a cringe character nobody cares for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25783920
Fanartists just make her look more of a whore than what she actually looks like. I wish her tits were that huge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25779998
None of you dumbasses can even provide a logical answer. It's not like she's the first Vtuber to ever be funny, so what gets them through the door to watch her? Or is this just a bunch of dumbass sheep all mindlessly flocking to one thing going "haha desuwa funny word"

[Anonymous No.]

>>25777565
>>25776960

> I think homeless people should have housing
> WHY ARE YOU NON FILLING EVERY FREE SQUARE METER OF YOUR HOUSE WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE RIGHT NOW ??? YOURE A FUCKING HIPOCRITE

[Anonymous No.]

>>25772078
>Reminder that she's always had between 90-110k since she was at 300k subs
This is a new piece of evidence i didnt think about before
How does her subscriber count multiple drastically as the week went on, but her viewership stayed exactly the same
That implies that all her other fans just watch clips and vods and decided to sub, but only 100k of them can actually watch streams.
Thats not so bad, but whats extremely unlikely about that is
How the fuck were the only 100k fans who are able to watch her live just coincidentally also her first 100k subs (approximately), within the first week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25813591
I've been watching her since debut but only subscribed yesterday to help increase the sub count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25813376
>if i strawman then i win
Didn’t Irys get 400k before she even fucking debuted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
I didn't get it until I saw her debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25813947
did you reply to the wrong post ?
I cant fathom how your message is related to mine
The point of my post was "saying that if her numbers were actually not legit, then you would have reported her to the authorities, thus they are legit" is a braindead argument
I dont care if she's botted, just like i dont care that i can hear my neighbor beating the shit out of his kids, im not going to report him to the cops
But i can still point out that its fucked up when it comes up in conversation

[Anonymous No.]

>i'm the most reasonable person in this conversation because I would let my neighbor beat his kids

[Anonymous No.]

>>25773330
I believe this rrat

[Anonymous No.]

>>25769779
Cope more, numberfag. Try enjoying streams for once instead of worrying about numbers it literally does not matter.
Captcha: HGAY4

[Anonymous No.]

honesy dude, i hope she stay. i like ojou personality,

[Anonymous No.]

Holobronies reaching hard. Go back to watching Ayame and Sana VODs.