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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp/
>https://vtuber-ch.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://www.hololyzer.net/2j3j/
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *
>96,226: Salome (Nijisanji)
>48,485: Fubuki (Hololive)
>34,298: Miko (Hololive)
>26,298: Lui (Hololive)
>22,157: Iroha (Hololive)
>20,919: Ayame (Hololive)
>18,125: Shion (Hololive)
>15,608: Laplus (Hololive)
>14,690: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>14,543: Noel (Hololive)
>13,893: Watame (Hololive)
>13,089: Koyori (Hololive)
>12,120: Subaru (Hololive)
>11,241: Towa (Hololive)
>11,120: Kobo (Hololive)
>10,525: Kanata (Hololive)
>10,287: Risu (Hololive)
>10,115: Kronii (Hololive)

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>>25452491
>JUNE 2022 GOLD
1) Salome (Nijisanji) - 97,905 - Resident Evil 7
2) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696 - 4th anniversary totsumachi
3) Salome (Nijisanji) - 96,226 - GTA V

>PER COMPANY
2x: Nijisanji
1x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
2x: Salome
1x: Haachama

2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
104x: Hololive
41x: Nijisanji
6x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
12x: Miko
11x: Kuzuha
7x: Subaru
6x: Hal, Salome
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu
2x: Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Aki, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta

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>>25452535
Salome will have the most 2022 golds by the end of this month. Such powerful numbers

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>>25452696
Can she beat Pekora for 2022?

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>>25452833
How many does Pekora have?

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I'm feeling it, bros. Mori 10K tonight.

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How many views would a hypothetical Sana graduation get, at 11 PM EST, with no overlap? Format is sort of like a totsu, but it's just her bringing on people and chatting with them about her time in Hololive and thanking the viewers for watching her. Maybe at some point they go into Minecraft and do a sendoff for her or something like that. Could it hit 50k?

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>>25452696
Being realistic if the YT algorithm continues to favor Hololive, whatever Salome does won't matter. Nijisanji will still lose due to Hololive gradually getting funneled new viewers.

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Ah, peace

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>>25453035
>>25453043
y-yeah anons...

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>>25452491
>Holo 16
>Niji 2

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>>25453198
Salome is going to do great things for Niji's numbers I trust in the trickle down viewership

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>>25453035
why?

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bros am I a schizo? I really feel bad for sana, I genuinely do for both her and her fans
because they genuinely like her and want to see more of them, and sana feels like she WANTS to deliver but I dont know...I guess she's not really motivated? the whole situation makes me sad
she seems nice and wholesome....1.2k waiting with 15 minutes left

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So whats the point of holo shorts ch? Why are they copying nijien ch
https://youtu.be/h293pn1_phU

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>>25453412
She funneling more to Hololive than Nijisanji right now. We'll see when she starts collabing.

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>>25453482
its because holoEN management is made up of the rejects of JP and ID management

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>>25453419
Because I'm enjoying the stream this time.

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>>25453505 >>25453412
See my post. >>25453073

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Salomes numbers make her the undisputed number 1 streamer in the world right now. Wonder how long it'll last.

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>>25453482
>So whats the point of holo shorts ch?
It would've been great if they used it to upload content while the girls were on break, so there isn't a lack of content from the branch.

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* FINAL TWITCH TALLY OF THE DAY *

- 03-Jun
> 14,343 : Ine (KR Isegye Idol)
> 12,199 : Shoto (EN Indy)
> 10,711 : Jururu (KR Isegye Idol)
> 10,192 : Veibae (EN VShojo)
> 9,541 : VIichan (KR Isegye Idol)
> 8,295 : Lilpa (KR Isegye Idol)
> 6,359 : Sakura Miko (JP Hololive)
> 6,355 : Zentreya (EN VShojo)
> 6,325 : Nachoneko (JP Indy)
> 5,517 : zrush (CN Indy)
> 5,424 : Laplus Darknesss (JP Hololive)
> 4,712 : Silvervale (EN VShojo)
> 4,604 : ZilverK (SP LA RATIZA)
> 4,545 : Mysta Rias (EN Nijisanji)

1. Ine's stream pattern is 3-4 days of stream, 3-4 days break, so she always gets big numbers at a "return" stream
2. Veibae has become a daily streamer, even joked about it in her title
3. Shoto is pretty much the top EN vtuber right now though, gets the best numbers for games
3. Plenty of JPs and one Mysta streamed today, making the list bulkier than usual.
4. Mysta is now Twitch affiliated

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>>25453874
IsegyeXHololive collab when?

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How do we stop salome holobros?

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>>25453874
is it safe to say that vshojo isn't the biggest corp on twitch?
I still don't get why haachama wants to collab with them, she can fucking speak korean, collab with the big korean dons you retards...or is it chinese, nah I'm pretty sure she can speak some korean?

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>>25453874
>JUNE 2022 TWITCH GOLD
1) VIichan (Isegye Idol) - 15,498 - Vocaloid WC React, Naver catchup
2) Gosegu (Isegye Idol) - 14,571 - VR Chat - tween model showcase
3) Ine (Isegye Idol) - 14,343 - Zatsu, React - Naver and clips catchup

>PER COMPANY
3x: Isegye Idol

>PER STREAMER
1x: Gosegu, Ine, VIichan

>>25453899
When managers feel like it i guess.

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>>25453914
Encourage male collabs especially with NijiEN

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>>25453596
Maybe this time Riku will roll a nat 20 against Yagoo

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>>25453984
Same as for
>>25453899
They probably never talked.
Easier to collab with someone where you already have a link with - Mori, kson, Bae.

Also, she's pushing "speak good English" as one of her 'defining traits'
Plus, most holo members might just vaguely know how popular Isegye and vtubers got in Korea. Or even how much they like Hololive.
If the talents don't push for it, we know how slow management can move to arrange something.

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sana's peak waiting room was 1.95-2k

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>>25453984
April vs May medals tally:

>April
Group - Gold / Silver / Bronze
Isegye Idol) - 15 / 19 / 17
VShojo) - 11 / 8 / 7
Indy) - 4 / 1 / 4

>May
Group - Gold / Silver / Bronze
Isegye Idol) - 21 / 16 / 15
VShojo) - 6 / 6 / 6
Indy) - 3 / 7 / 7
LA RATIZA) - 1 / 0 / 0

[Anonymous No.]

>>25453914
We don't and we shouldn't.
Salome going huge is not a problem for Hololive, it's a problem for Nijisanji.

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>>25454264
oh wow...these numbers are something alright, they only have 3-4 constant streams at vshojo right? I wonder why they haven't introduced a new gen

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>>25454092
See >>25453198
If Nijisanji's place in the algorithm never changes Hololive will continue to sweep every other position besides 1st.

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>>25454354
Salome is already reclining. No more 100k+ CCV.
Can she even maintain 90k CCV by the end of next week?

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>>25452491
>JUNE 2022 GOLD
1) Aki (Hololive) - 72,251
2) Haachama (Hololive) - 46,696
3) Fubuki (Hololive) - 48,485

>PER COMPANY
3x: Hololive

>PER STREAMER
1x: Aki, Haachama, Fubuki

There, I fixed the list for you to remove any botted streams. Get your shit together Tally Anon.

2022 GOLDS
>PER COMPANY
104x: Hololive
39x: Nijisanji
7x: Neo Porte
2x: Indie
1x: Kizuna AI Inc.

>PER STREAMER
17x: Pekora
16x: Aqua
12x: Miko
11x: Kuzuha
7x: Subaru, Hal
5x: Kanata, Marine
4x: Salome, Suisei, Toya
3x: Choco, Gura, Hololive, Mio, Okayu
2x: Aki, Ange, Chloe, Flare, Fuwa, Korone, Mysta, Nijisanji, Polka, Towa
1x: AI, Axia, Ayame, Botan, Calli, Chronoir, Fubuki, Haachama, Hayase, Hoshikawa, Kaida, Koyori, Lui, Mel, Melissa, Mikeneko, Mito, Nagao, Nene, Roboco, Rushia, Sora, Sukoya, Ui, Vox, Yashiro, Yorumi, Zeta.

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>>25454153
I suppose that makes sense, would be nice to see them get closer to the korean audience rather than the english one though, but haachama does her own thing most of the time so it's not going to matter

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>>25454468
based tally, thank you anon
>>25452535
kys

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>>25452419
Kobo Love

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sana 3k
also it seems like mori's stream died for a second?

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>>25454450
We'll see where she is after a day's break. If she retains most of her audience she'll remain a contender for gold.

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>>25452419
BOKOBOBOBOB

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>>25454352
>The Vshojo 2nd Gen
no one really knows
if all the rrats are to go by, that shitshow is what's driving the group down lately.

But it's mostly other personal things, Mosey moving, Hime getting married, Nyanners and Froot doing .... i don't know what.
Silver, Zen and even Meeody streamed fairly regularly and with Vey back, they do have way more active streamers than for 1/2 of May.

Btw, Vey i know you're here because you referenced it, you don't need to stream daily to cover for Mousey, your fans aren't used to it.
At least vary your content more so it doesn't feel like 1 continuous series.

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mori lost a whole 1.5K after the stream dying, she was at 6.5k now she's barley at 5k

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>>25454450
It's been mentioned by the rational many times that the numbers are manufactured and she will be sub 5k in 1.5 weeks

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>>25454757
>Btw, Vey i know you're here because you referenced it

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>>25454757
>Btw, Vey i know you're here because you referenced it,
wait really?
vei you fucking whore, your new model is so fucking sex, and the art for it is magnificent, I especially love how your tits look
I still won't watch though

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>>25454498
Bae would probably be better, the group would be more her speed + she could do VR dance collabs eventually.

Kiara could probably get along with Jingburger if they could communicate.

>>25454815
15~20k take it or leave it.
She's probably have a similar audience to Lize, that mostly watches her solo stuff, but she's already starting off way higher than she ever was.

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>>25454757
seems like an overall stagnation, I'm sure they'll get out of it soon

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I masturbate to your voice Vei.

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btw anons how does holo stats calculate the daily views? are the views+ for today mean the views the channel gained on the 3rd?
how did okayu gained 2.2 million? and how did haachama gain 640k?

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>>25454757
Vei, you suck, stop shitting up the board, you trashy whore. Go do something nice for your viewers for a change so your numbers quit tanking.

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>>25455149
That's usually either an error or they unprivated stuff.

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>>25454016
What's the deal with isegye
were they vtubers from the beginning or did they start as something else
why is one of them a hamburger

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I don't dislike Mori but dear god her streams are painful to watch

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COME ON SANNER, GET THAT 4K
>>25455289
she's just boring, painfully so

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>>25455149
>>25455251
Okayu's channel turned into an artist's channel so her topic channel views got merged.

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I don't get it. Does this timeslot really only work for Fauna and Ina? I don't understand.

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>>25453984
Haachama speaks Japanese and very basic English. Would be cool to see Lofi, Ina, or Kronii do a collab with one of them. Anyone know what their content is like? Is it more like Vshoujo or Hololive? I know they're on twitch but they feel causally disconnected from the rest of the Twitch meta.

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>>25455461
React ...meta

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>>25454757
Why would Vei be in the numbers thread when 99% of the time we don't give a fuck about her? Much more likely to browse vsg+ or even lig, or her dedicated split when it's up.

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>NA hours
>thread is dead
wth? where are the fights?

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>>25455461
ah no I was just using haachama because she REALLY wants to collab with twitch chuubas for some reason
also I'd argue her english isn't really basic, she just has a hard time with conversations because she doesn't use it but I swear I heard that she speaks basic japanese and korean

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>>25455513
How do they uh...react I guess? Like really slutty or just try to be humorous?

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>>25455454
They should be streaming much earlier than this.
Firstly, almost all western employed otaku work in a job where they're sitting infront of a computer.
Secondly, if you're a fan of JP you should be resting at this hour.
Thirdly, if there is no break in content the viewer will create their own.

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>>25455580
wait until gura starts and cumbuds take over trying to force their cope
also sana 4k

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Mori's numbers are abominations. This is what happens when you schizophrenically stream in 5 different timeslot depending on your whim

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>>25453874
why do you use indy instead of indie?

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>>25455653
To seperate from Indie-rock which is the superior and more popular version of rock music.
Though that guy isn't me and im talking shit.

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>>25455580
not until EN3

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>>25455699
I'm going to go ahead and call you based anyway

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>>25453914
Salome isn't competition since she doesn't steal viewers from anyone, so holos can just treat her like a tourist attraction

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>>25455648
why would she care so long as her music does well?

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If Sana's announcement is something related to Council like new outfits or 3D and they decided to let her be the one announcing it with this stream and without hyping it beforehand I swear I'm going full schizo

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>>25455648
inconsequential anon, streaming to her is even less than a hobby at this moment
she said that the umg deal doesn't care if she stays in hololive or not

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>>25455823
That sounds extremely EN management like, you just willed it into being

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>>25455823
It's gonna be a song. The other thing will be a break probably. She didn't sound enthusiastic for the 2nd one.

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>>25455830
>she said that the umg deal doesn't care if she stays in hololive or not
Fuck are you talking about? That doesn't even make sense. Source it.

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>>25454815
>sub 5k
I think she'll recline, but that's cope. She'll collab with males a few times, do a longer stream, play Apex or some other game her audience doesn't like, and in the end she'll be a normal streamer instead of *Bigger than xQc Numbers*

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did sana make the announcement already? it hasn't even broken 5k

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>>25455252
bit of both, Vtubers were a thing in KR before and pretty much all of them had some vtuber or streamer background.

It started with One Man and a vision!
To make a Korean vtuber idol group!

Some anon made a better copypasta but basically, woowakgood, probably the biggest streamer in KR in this sphere held auditions and made the group.
Some of the girls like Ine kept their model and name from before, others changed but they entered the WAK streamer group and then did normal vtuber stuff with some VR till their orisong release when things kicked into high gear.

I keep seeing that one of the main driving forces for their continued growth is a Hololive style box + the fan interaction that Coco had.
The beginning of their stream, sometimes the whole stream is looking up their naver page for at fanart, edits, but also clips of the other members so they're all caught, while creating a feedback loop.
They also do a lot of VR dancing and singing, so the idol part isn't just a gimmick.

Also, she just wanted a hat burger.

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>>25455830
She did not say that, and she's signed as the Calliope Mori character, it would be a vastly different situation if she suddenly had to just revert to herself. Not saying 100% it would void the contract but it's certainly not a "they don't care" situation as it would dramatically effect her potential sales.

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>>25455927
After she makes the cake.

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>>25455912
She needs to just give in and spam FFXIV. She loves MMOs after all

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>>25455648
Just wait until the collab starts ina few hours, Let see if Miko, Robocco amd Sana can help her

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>>25456092
Don't fucking curse her with that EVIL anon.

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>>25455823
>council
>3d
lol, they only gave myth 3d since they had some success

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>all these seething from ENsharts especially from Councilkeks after the Gen6 3D was revealed
Cover would have done more for them if they weren't lazy pieces of shit hahahaha this is great

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>>25456115
What are you talking about anon? That collab is tomorrow

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>>25456171
Wrong thread

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>>25456092
God, wouldn't it be absolutely fucking hilarious if she actually was botted, and Anykara's plan for how to disguise her sudden drop off is for her to just start playing FFXIV non-stop, until it became genuinely impossible to determine if she hadn't just destroyed her popularity? It sounds full proof, actually.

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>>25456171
ogey

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>>25456171
council could of been twice as successful as myth and they would've got the same

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>>25454153
Does management even push for any outside collabs? I know they have some sort of "programs" to pair people who rarely collab with each other and the main channel stuff but to do something with other company talents would have to ask about it themselves like Calli insisted to collab with TTfags because she was a fan of them rather than hololive and then also vshojos because gunrun got really involved with her anituber friends. Anyway you need a member to show interest and the only one that could possibly make it happen would be Kiara (with the help of BAE, Kronii and perhaps even Ame), she would have to reach some isegye member and talk with her on discord for a start on a personal rather than company level. Thing is nobody outside of this thread seem to be aware that vshojo is mogged on twitch by Koreans. Doesn't seem like isegye have many clippers, much like with A-Soul it's hard to find anything translated on youtube as their presence is very much local, befriending a holo or two would help them massively that's for sure.

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>>25456171
yeah, we don't actually care.

Numbers are numbers and Nin-nin 3D will bring numbers.

Seething happened when EN1 and ID1 had to do lackluster "here's my home 3D" to shit numbers instead.

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>>25455823
Pretty sure Sana's B-day is next week, so yeah...

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>>25456206
No point in botting someone into a large level of popularity only to kill off all their actual viewers. Would be funny though.

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>>25456356
No she will be the outlier and stream FFXIV msq to 90k viewers and (You) will kneel

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>>25454277
How do?

[Anonymous No.]

What are the possibilities of EN3 being the Sankisei of the English market and actually rendering the previous two gens irrelevant?

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>>25456562
the EN market doesn't have the numbers

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>>25455548
Veibae doesn't seem to give shit about numbers anyway since she was busy killing her own channel and fanbase for months recently, similar to that other whore nyanners. Vshojo is pretty much Ironmouse and some side-kicks at this point.

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>>25456246
>Calli insisted to collab with TT
Get out of the rrat zone anon, Kodokawa and Cover pushed for that collab because Gigguk had been pushing vtubers in the "anime community" for months by that point.
Calli had no idea who they were at the start.

you wrote a lot...
uh, no, in fact Cover makes it pretty hard to do outside collabs because they have to vet everyone so it doesn't ruin their sponsorships.

>nobody outside of this thread seem to be aware that vshojo is mogged on twitch by Koreans
that's true, even the KR thread almost never posts anything about them, mostly Niji KR and indies.

>translated on youtube - EN
There's a lot of translated stuff, because they used to pay translators on almost all of their YT videos, but up till January, when they probably saw there was no interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndcnd98rDDA

Exposure would help, yes. They're all weebs and Holofans and would love it.
It would be good for Holo too since they have a big audience in KR but making a KR branch could be a minefield.

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>>25456562
Zero, the EN market boom already happened with Myth

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a couple of jps are overlapping gura, amelia and bae, plus the fact its a multi POV collab too...I don't feel so good bros

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>>25456246
No reason to push for outside collabs when you're at the top, any talent wanting to do so is wanting it for personal reasons so it's up to them to float the idea

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>>25456598
>>25456618
The JP market just pulled 100k+ fresh viewers that never watched Vtubers before with a solo debut. EN3 could pull similar numbers of new viewers

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>>25455823
Still expecting 3D

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>>25456650
>The JP market just pulled 100k+ fresh viewers that never watched Vtubers before with a solo debut
Where?

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>>25456650
they pulled anime watchers. people might watch anime in the west, but there certainly aren't enough to make anything like that happen. and that debut have absolutely nothing to do with a new gen or holo

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>>25456650
I doubt that anybody who isn't into anime is willing to watch chuubas and anime is still less popular in the west than in JP, besides >90% of anime watchers think Vtubers are weird and/or disgusting

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>>25456562
that would require EN management to be active

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>>25456689
Salome, basically none of her viewers ever watched Vtubers before

>>25456692
>and that debut have absolutely nothing to do with a new gen
Of course it does, it happened in the JP market so it can happen in any market. Maybe there isn't a million people that haven't been accessed yet, but the market still probably has 100k in the English regions that can show up at any time

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>>25456643
Leave it to the JPs to try and steal viewers from Gura's slot when they already have their own... En is always nice and respects them but that respect doesn't go both ways like how they overlapped Mori's costume

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>>25452419
>>25452445
The OP always put high tier art in the first two post
are you a drawfag

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>>25456820
>Salome
Oh...
I thought you were being serious.

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>>25456741
>>90% of anime watchers think Vtubers are weird and/or disgusting
I've seen those types. It seems like some sort of defence mechanism, like when left leaning faggots pretend that the episode of The Office where the black kids aren't getting their tuitions paid for college is anything but one of the best episodes of the show.

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>>25456650
The markets are different enough that it seems unlikely anon.
At best they'll do better than Council because they don't have self-debuff to such a big extent as council did in their opening months.

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>>25456848
not that i know all of these, but i think the the art is usually by artists that have done vtuber models?

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>>25456643
Subaru's free talk is a one hour thing. Any tourists that woulda watched her will go back to Gura anyway. And is there any POV but Bae(lol) and Gura?

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>>25456840
didn't bae stream over haachama yesterday?

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>>25456880
If we live in a world where Salome can do what she did and we have to take it seriously as something that can just happen, then you must apply the same logic to other markets besides JP

[Anonymous No.]

Does Mori care about the numbers?

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>>25456969
you have no idea why salami blew up do you? it can never happen in the EN market

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>>25457004
Stream numbers: no
Music numbers: yes

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>>25456650
A female streamer consistently pulling 90-100k is basically impossible, even Salome is unbelievable but explainable by tourists interested in a big corpo gimmick

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>>25456840
Bae already streamed over at quite a few JP 3Ds wherever she goes for that timeslot (Korone for example)

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>>25455289
I haven't watched her in a while, but for some reason she now tries to sound like adam sandler.

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>>25456939
on holodex amelia has a spot but she didn't put the waiting room up yet I guess? also bae's POV is an hour after gura starts for some reason

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>>25457024
No one actually believes the tourist meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457016
Of course I have no idea why she blew up, no one does. But she did blow up, that's something that must be taken at face value or we can't discuss her at all.

So if the market isn't oversaturated and Vtubers can blow up whenever with new audiences, then it shouldn't be isolated to JP alone when the EN market is no where near as heavily exploited as the JP one.

[Anonymous No.]

sana 5k!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457133
a redditor. that explains it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25456562
Not gonna happen unless they add a legit celebrity or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25452491
Another day another time Salome gets twice the number of viewers as all of Nijisanji combined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457025
>stream numbers
I will say 50/50, she went from not caring to full blown streaming machine and now back to not caring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25456650
You really believe that huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457173
This is Hololive's floor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457292
>>25457228
>>25457187
Convince me its impossible without dismissing Salome's numbers out of hand. Provide a compelling argument that the EN market cap has been reached

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457133
But there is already someone who has already blown up in EN market (I didn't want to mention her because it will attract schizos and a lot of bait) and it's Gura. All the views, numbers, hype, and people who got into Vtubers because of her or that only watch her is out of this world. Just compare her with any other EN chuuba, she's on her own league getting 2 times the numbers the second biggest EN vtuber in the world gets (pick whoever you want the second to be)

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457016
>it can never happen in the EN market
It already did though

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457299
Flood is a very nebulous concept. If you include SC readings and Watchalong, or Holo ID, or Matsuri it's significantly lower.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25456562
0, it ain't getting bigger than Gura was, the best they can do is draw some old fans back with kino skits and collabs and permissions. If they're looking for true audience expansion at this point, its either a new branch, or Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457364
it can never happen in the current state you stupid chumbud

[Anonymous No.]

>>25456650
EN3 management would have to do get so many things right and then some for that to even happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457351
>>25457364
Gura is no where near salami level, to reach salami level you need xQc numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457338
It's not impossible, just exceedingly unlikely for there to be another vtuber mania 2 years after it peaked. That's just not how waves of cultural popularity generally work.

[Anonymous No.]

XQC is old news, biggest streamer is Asmongold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457508
It's the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25456650
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457435
>in the current s
kek

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive will sign Johnny Depp as a vtuber to play Marines first mate Bonny Zepp and he will be the first vtuber to get 1 million CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>Sana 1,8k votes in 2 mins with 5,5k viewers
Even her poll numbers are low...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457477
Okay? That doesn't invalidate the possibility of a new generation breaking out and somehow being more popular than Gura. Present solid evidence, surely there's some way to determine the actual hard limit of Vtuber growth

[Anonymous No.]

>>25452696
Where is your paralympic gold now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457529
Dunno about that, an Asmon clip got 1m views in 20 minutes.
Would take a nation of chinks watching a niji to compete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457544
Salami lizard...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457624
I mean all the big twitch people are interchangeable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457593
If EN3 has a Chloe type then it's possible. Omegatranny just needs to focus on getting people who actually want to fucking stream rather than people who have college or other jobs they want to focus on over Hololive. The only consistent streamer in Council is Baelz and she fucked her growth by immediately pulling an Ollie and hopping on a homos dick

[Anonymous No.]

SC numbers for June 2nd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457451
>xQc streams on twitch and is unculled
>Gura is utterly hated by Susan and culled heavily on YouTube

[Anonymous No.]

>>25456614
>Get out of the rrat zone anon, Kodokawa and Cover pushed for that collab because Gigguk had been pushing vtubers in the "anime community" for months by that point.
>Calli had no idea who they were at the start.

Anon come on both her and Milky were fans, the only holos doing shit with TT people were Calli, Ollie (another TT fan) and Kiara (probably talked into it by the reaper) and we know that Calli in particular wanted to do way more collabs with "fleshtubers" including her anituber "friends" (and got denied multiple times). Who knows perhaps we would have a Calli x Conur pairing instead of ironmouse one if management allowed them to interact more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457746
HIT THE GAS, KOYORIIII

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457578
I have her on in the background and didn't even notice there was a poll until someone mentioned it on the global thread. With her weird accent it's really hard to listen or understand what she's saying unless you actively focus on it, otherwise it just becomes noise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457738
Chloe really isn't anything special, she's fallen off quite a bit since debut. If EN3 had someone like here it wouldn't really be "bigger than Myth/Council".

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457875
She had the most rapid growth to 600k than any other Holo. She fell off because her grandmother, who was her primary carer, passed away and she had to move out with her sister.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457593
>Pewdiepie decides that becoming Japanese isn't enough, he has to become an anime too
>Pewdiepie debuts as HomoEN solo
Even if this happened, he STILL would probably be less popular than Salome. That's why so many people call her CCV fake, because even in the absolute most outrageous scenario, it won't produce this level of numbers. It's actually impossible for EN to do it because it's impossible for JP to do it, that's what people really believe even if they know it sounds schitzo to admit it.

[Anonymous No.]

>5.6k Watching
>4.5k votes in the Poll at <15mins
You tell me, is this a good or bad ratio?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458020
pewds is canceled and committed chink crimes
pls do not use my oshi to shitpost here

[Anonymous No.]

On twitch, only like what, Asmongold, XQC and Ibai can pull Salome's ccv constantly right?
Most big hitters are around 20k~40k depends on what they are doing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457813
i'm hard filtered as esl due to her accent. need english subtitles to understand her

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458241
Actually, Salome's numbers are higher than theirs.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMQ7fDY42hs
HOLY FUCKING KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458123
It's a lot lower than most ENs would get, but I think at this point a lot of her audience is tabbed out and just listening. You'll get better polls numbers early in a stream while people are paying attention or in a stream people will actively watch (like a collab or an action heavy game stream).

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457813
>>25458269
Numbers are even now, but yeah, I got her stream in the background

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458123
her viewers are too lazy even to click the polls

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458020
What? You don't believe that a solo vtuber can get 100k viewers playing the same game 4 streams in a row when the rest of her company can barely get past 8k on a good day and never has any more than 70k people watching across ALL their 170+ vtubers at any point during the day?

You find it suspicious that Salome is the only vtuber in history not to have dropped off after her debut stream and managing to consistently get over three times Pekoras median CCV on every single stream even over a week after her debut?

You're scratching your noggin over Salome having three times as many viewers for her monetisation than Kronii but only getting two thirds of the number of superchats?

You're humming and hawing over the fact Salome has 90k viewers on every stream but less unique users in her chat than Kobo?

You're thinking about how Salomes viewers don't detract from the viewers on any other Nijisanji stream and don't ever go watch other streams after Salome ends and that her viewerbase simply manifests then disappears without a trace?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458276
Yeah right. And this thread really has severe numberrot, 10k ccv average is already fucking huge for any personal channel to pull off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458335
Is there any actual reason people think IRyS is getting a redesign other than wishful thinking? has she said anything to imply that?

[Anonymous No.]

>5.7k watching
>6k poll votes at 20mins
Sana pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458241
She’s technically even higher than them because youtube kneecaps viewers. Granted they have way more sustainability given they stream long hours, but it’s just absurd levels for what most people still can’t tell where exactly the viewers are even coming from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458276
XQC maybe but he pissed off his fans by gambling his fortune away.
Asmon is about to get around 400k live viewers playing FFXIV next week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458409
Anon it's precisely because 10k is huge that a vtuber getting 90k+ average over 10 streams is highly suspicious. Particularly when only one talent in her agency manages a median over 20k. 90k is 3D live big concert level numbers for established vtubers with large fanbases. Hitting it stream after stream playing Resident Evil simply is not possible, no matter what level of hype she has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458335
>HoloX dominates Council across the board
hmm I wonder why they would put resources towards them

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458415
She has never ever ever made any indication that she’s getting a redesign. Is it happening? We don’t know, but anyone saying it’s the reason is just pulling shit out of their ass. Until cover or IRyS says anything, it’s free game for fans to be frustrated and upset over the situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458415
There have been no hints whatsoever about a redisign, it's pure cope at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458415
Nah it's a cope since she already said in a stream that she would probably get a new outfit next year

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458407
Honestly, the thing that makes me feel the most suspicious was the fact that there was almost no overlap with flesh streamers like Jun, Kore, or Apex gameplay. That basically implies that the viewers of her streams don't watch anything else, not just of Vtuber content but of online content in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458514
I missed the gamba drama, did some viewers actually leave from this? Last time I watched the juicer he had """Only""" 60k during the elden ring tournament
Also asmon was like 400k during the trial, crazy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458415
>>25458576
can't lie bros, I was looking for a haachama clip and this popped up for some reason, didn't watch it but saw the title and giggled to myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458597
So for the numbers to work she needs to be pulling at least 40k viewers who don't watch any other live content on Youtube at all to every stream. This is questionable

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458611
I can't be sure how many won't watch at all or just don't want to watch him gambling but his gambling streams aren't a buff like it is for other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458407
anon this is as painful as the EN likes cope
salami's viewers aren't the normal vtuber crowd so they have different interactions

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458415
Nothing as far as I'm aware, but that's the exact reason why people suspect a re-design, Irys having nothing for so long is actually depressing and people want her to get a moment in the spotlight, she's been releasing songs constantly but has no way to advertise her originals if they're not backed by something like a new outfit or 3D announcement to put her hard work in the spotlight. Yes, even to the point that the reddit thread got locked down due to speculation and harsh criticism, but at the end or the day, Irys is the one that knows her situation better than anyone, so I'd like to assume she's getting something done to fix that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458708
Yeah, so you wouldn't be suspicious at all if Hololive debuted a new EN generation and they all gained consistent newfag viewership on par with Ludwig right? He's not even xQc tier, that's not strange at all right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458574
Even Gura at her peak only gets 40-60k per streams and that's already a lot. 2022 when the fad is almost over, some streamer gets 90k for almost all of her streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458708
She has an audience of tourists who never watch any other vtuber but just happen to be so invested they'll turn up en masse to her playing Resident Evil 4 streams in a row.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458686
She would need like 40k "mystery viewers" as a core and the rest can be explained by regular Niji fans, tourists, and hype chasers. Nothing can really explain the complete lack of dropoff though, that's just not a thing that happens.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are youse biting bait again when SEAniggers are waking up

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458781
No, at least entertain the idea. Maybe the fad isn't over, maybe this is a new wave. Maybe new Vtubers can discover an audience of 50k+ within already saturated markets through memes. Believe anon, just believe

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458727
It's a good thing the thread went lockdown, like that last time Cover screwed up Gura's new outfit's rigging issue hard (and again with Anya), they finally get someone else to do the rigging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458782
Yeah I'll be honest what's odd about it is the consistency. A 90k floor? I really haven't gotten a real answer for what the fuck is so entertaining about her to justify this other than
>to be honest you really need to have a high iq to understand her several layers of JP puns
Like shit, Nijisanji has 200 talents, Hololive has 60, assorted indies and shit number in the thousands. But a vtuber literally called "congrats for 1 million, Salome" is bullrushing to 1 million and getting a 90k+ floor for 1 hour streams at midnight? You can't tell me this shit isn't eyebrow raising.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458863

[Anonymous No.]

>niggas trying to bait HoloX, IRyS drama at global
>thread devolves to Mori and Kiara shitflinging

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458984
This is neither /hlgg2/, /nijiEN2/ or /hlg2/, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458925
Skepticism is cope though. Obviously you should just accept everything you see at face value no matter how implausible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458984
Globalfags going to globalfag. Both Mori and Kiara suck

[Anonymous No.]

Sanners at the top at vrabi. That's new

[Anonymous No.]

10 mins until big MC Collab, hoping Sana doesn't get affected too much

[Anonymous No.]

Has Sana already made the announcement?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459102
Is it? She's sometimes streamed in dogshit EU hours and then there just wasn't literally anyone to compete.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458415
no she has said nothing. It's the only thing people can cope with since any other route will result in cove playing favorites.
irys is in japan, doesn't have any genmates so should have 3d

[Anonymous No.]

Gonna watch Pomu, let me know what the Sana announcement was since she's taking her time.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I the only person that really believes it's worth holding out how the Vtuber market isn't actually oversaturated yet, that it's actually possible for shit like Salome to happen in EN? I want to believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458415
mostly because her situation seems very similar to nene's. The reason nothing would be said is because the need for a redesign implies redjuice fucked up, so they can't announce it until it it done with in order for him to save face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458781
>2022 when the fad is almost over
I also heard that in 2018

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458781
To be fair, while I think Salome numbers are bull, there was the gura karaoke stream at the beginning that had more people watching than the capacity of Nou Camp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458407
none of her vods have gotten culled, it's not bots, just accept it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459173
dyrbi

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459189
>2018
That's more like retarded super old fags coping about how Mito changed meta

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459173
You're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Kept your expectations low and you'll be pleasantly surprised when something good happens.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone find the correlation between Salome's SC payers and other vtuber's chat/SC?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459180
I mean Nene's outfit was literally offensive to Hololive's audience and originally meant to appeal to a now dead market. That was an emergency situation that was actively hobbling her. IRyS situation is more of an inconvenience.

[Anonymous No.]

updated the retention numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459173
Let's first aim for "someone with Gura's current CCV". Kronii was like, 70% there once upon a time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459360
It was CN based right? Don't really blame them for changing it on that area

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458580
there are no hints that they are doing this 'just because' either. model update is the simplest explanation that doesn't involve willing malice. They gain nothing by just 'skipping her' for no reason, especially when they did have plenty of time to make a functional 3d/outfits along with the others, not like she pulls in less than Sana so 'muh popularity' doesn't explain it. Its very possible she is the one who pushed for a model update too in the first place, so in a way she has some of the blame for the situation, of course she won't say that and shouldn't say that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459262
What was 2018 even like for vtubing streams? Did anons naked dogeza to 10k ccv?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459417
This is a perfectly normal retention curve, it's those "mystery viewers" that don't chat or interact in any way that don't ever disappear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459222
Youtube culls at random and it fails its basic function of actually removing bots, this is the only explanation that makes logical sense. It might be wrong, but the real answer is probably something incomprehensible to humans

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459262
No there was actually legitimate (for a while) discussion about vtubers being on their way out back then, especially going into 2019. It's been on repeat ever since.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458727
The theory fails because she basically had a NY outfit along with Council but decided to refuse it for various reasons

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459447
Yeah it was a chink outfit. Even Nene's "home planet" is named some shit like Tao Tao. She got the worst fucking luck imaginable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459528
>but decided to refuse it
more like there wasn't any outfit in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459417
>300 Chatters who have been in all RE 7 Streams
How many of those were /#/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459528
>I made this up

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459522
I know that so many vtuber drama on 2019...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459522
Maybe the reason people refuse to believe Salome's numbers is actually catastrophized coping from anons secretly hoping Vtubing dies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459528
Irys seems like a very difficult person to work with desu, she seems like a bit of a diva

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459678
Or because they defy belief.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459737
Well yes. The numbers will defy belief, if your belief is that Vtubing is at a dead end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459558
One of the things Botan was advertising about herself on debut is that she could speak a little mandarin and was actively studying language. Knowing how she is, she was probably genuinely putting a fair amount of effort into that.

[Anonymous No.]

Pomu 5k (Raided by Finana and Selen collab stream).

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459603
Not how I interpreted her comments

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459610
there's not even 200 ips for /#/ on average
probably real fan of ojou biohazard

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459528
She said that she wish to have an outfit next year, stop coping

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459792
they actually waited all that time just to raid her?
man they really are numberfags on the insde.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459792
Is she beating Sana right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459417
So obviously it's not the same people showing up to every stream, so for Salome to maintain a 90k+ CCV she needs to be getting around 20-40k brand new viewers to every stream. Or in other words she needs to be getting a Pekora or Kuzuha level CCV entirely from people who don't usually watch vtubers 7 times in a row, and the overlap between those 20-40k new viewers needs to be less than 20% between streams. That's absurd.

I have a favor to ask data bro, are you able to show the CCV for Myth, HoloX and Salome so we can see exactly how much Salome stands out in terms of viewer retention after debut?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459708
There is literally nothing to suggest this. Stop being a schizo.
Suisei is known for being very hard to work with/annoying, and has openly talked about the shit she gives management and pressures them to get it done. And it gets done. IryS has never said anything that insinuates that and if anything it’s the opposite, she seems way more emotional and depressed that nothing is being done, or done on time.

[Anonymous No.]

Whats stopping the holos from just raiding each other in a continuous chain all the way from EN hours to JP hours and back again? Is it ego? Drama? Or is it just pointless because of language barriers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459801
well, it's what, 4-5 months later?
and no irys outfit

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459779
Or if you believe that they're very weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459892
Yeah by like 200.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460003
Permission autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459225
First unarchived, and the hype was already built up from her super 'a' and plastic love debut.

>>25459189
2018 was the starting point, but at that time, 1-2k was already an achievement. The fad isn't over at that time yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459875
>they really are numberfags on the insde.

Well she's doing a Karaoke so maybe that's not the case. Yugo is doing one for his Birthday later so there's that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460007
If she wants a full redo I wouldn't expect it to happen quickly

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460057
I'll take it. Pomu Wins!

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459920
i can try holox debut. endengumi debut might be a better comparison
myth debut is too far back and wouldn't really make sense for comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459225
didn't gura get fucking shadowbanned after 120k~

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459991
So it's the opposite then, she's too nice and the most she can do is be passive aggressive like in her recent tweet asking for a sample of her own merch

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460003
Gaps in streams, laziness, personal disinterest in the concept, not wanting to seem concerned about numbers, mismatch between certain types of stream (sending a bunch of JP viewers to an Indonesian stream for example) or streams not being the appropriate type to be raided.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460118
HoloX, specifically Chloe who had the biggest surge iirc, would be valuable data for comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460127
It's really goddamn bizarre how much the algorithm has it out for popular vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25459991
Suisei is an alpha female. Very assertive. More Holos need to either put pressure on management or do what Mori does which is do everything themselves to get shit done. Hololive managers honestly sound pretty incompetent and bad at their jobs from what we see spoken about them, between Lamys old manager telling her that she wouldn't fit in with the other Holomems and Holos crying because managers refuse to even try to fulfil requests because it would be too much of a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460101
i mean finana and selen they draged that collab and decided to ended when pomu started. pomu also delayed for like 1hr so obviously they were planning to funnel her from the beggining.

[Anonymous No.]

>amegura minecraft
>sub 20k

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460008
Miracles can happen anon. Just have faith in the growing market, and EN3 can call be 40k+ streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460118
>myth debut is too far back and wouldn't really make sense for comparison
Myth had explosive, unprecedented (to that point) growth as well. It makes sense as far as comparing data between vtubers who became viral social media phenomenons.

[Anonymous No.]

What was Sana's announcement? Is it important?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460397
>5m combined subs
>sub 20k
Embarassing. Meanwhile 800k subs Salome solo 90k ccv every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460508
hasnt said it yet still making a cake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460415
>Miracles can happen anon
IPO scams are far more believable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460508
Either 3d or permanent break

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460433
>Makes Sense
Their data is pointless since we've been through major # arcs due to changes in the algorithm and YT mechanics

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460568
But they aren't as fun

[Anonymous No.]

OK, PICTURE THIS

5 MORE NIJIEN

HUNDREDS OF CELEBRATIONS!

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460579
Most likely it's an original song

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460602
And an even more diluted viewer pool

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460602
after the lukewarm noctyx debut i dont think we wil get another luxiem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460582
I don't see how anything that has changed would affect comparisons between viewer retention during their first 7-8 streams. Regardless of whether 10% or 50% of viewers get culled, percentage decreases are proportional and can be compared validly over time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460601
My beliefs are not based around fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460582
It would help us understand those very changes

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460739
Maybe they should be. Maybe believing in whatever makes you happier will improve your over all quality of life. Maybe believing in things that aren't fun is what's been holding you back all along

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460602
Nijien actually poached all of vshojo gen 2 and thats why vshojo has not announced them yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460701
Acceleration does not end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460849
lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460397
Give it an hour. They'll reach 20k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460849
To be honest can Vshojo even compete with male vshojo? It feels like they lost their niche when the male coomtubers will not stfu about bussies and bottoms/tops, even in their stream titles. They also use POG more than even the twitch thots

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460568
Good thing SEAs hasn't woken up to shit on this thread yet but yeah, the subsequent worm graphs leading to a Luxiem's numbers, niji 3D debut and now Salome all had me thinking that it ties to the IPO when everything was fine before April. After the fiscal year, they're probably using the money as an marketing investment, when botting/viewfarming is often seen as shameful in the stream community and for sponsors. I still remember how Niji gets this numbers (pic rel) when they could've bot it like they did to tower of something or that dbd mobile app sponsorship but realize that all the bots were paid for Salome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460836
Maybe, Fauna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461000
Shoto has the market cornered on male fagtubers on twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461023
Pic

[Anonymous No.]

>holokeks

[Anonymous No.]

wow..
Kobo 8 hour valorant stream VOD...
402k get..

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461232
impressive

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461172
No argument

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Salome so popular?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25452419
Kobo is the cutest child I've ever seen in my life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461289
Eeeh, for 8 hours its very in line with everything else she did. But that's because her VODs are always impressive, this one in particular just isn't extra impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461232
Kobo tied with Risu, should pass Aki tomorrow. Then a small gap until reaching Mel and Kronii. Then a big jump to reach Laplus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461374
You're starting off with a flawed premise.

[Anonymous No.]

This doesn't sit well with me, not gonna lie. Partiality is the One THING we hololive fans do not condone. In past the 3d always happened based on seniority, now it seems it's based on popularity. I'm disappointed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461486
>averages 90k CCV per stream
>breaking sub gain records
>top 5 most subs in Niji
What part of “Salome is popular” is flawed

[Anonymous No.]

>gura en gold but no one is talking about her

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461662
We can't let Holooks have the 3d nuclear codes fellow hololivers

[Anonymous No.]

Koyori's numbers are pretty weak tonight. Wonder if it's because of the timeslot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460115
Not even with raids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461374
>all of her stream length is within an hour or over slightly.
>She doesn't follow anyone in Twitter except the nijisanji channel
>She does not like anything in Twitter, nor reply.
>Absurd amount of viewers, even japs doesn't even know why.
>ridiculous name

I'd say there's a bit scheming happening behind the scenes kek. IPO scam maybe to attract big investors once they go public? So they resort to 1hr long botting (Because her viewers don't funnel). Anyways, this is just a rrat theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461662
IRyS isn't even unpopular. it's pure branch discrimination OR there really is something fucked with with her model and Redjuice behind the scenes, but even if it's the case they've known about it since January at the latest and have had half a year to get a replacement artist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461374
No Niji branding. No Niji logo on her channel, no mention of Niji on her about page only a link to an any color legal notice.

She's managed to escape Nijisanjis terrible reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461797
Sana vs NijiEN is a hilarious joke, but Selen will probably finally beat her this month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461780
Yakuza #4, Subaru overlapping and no EOP tourists because they are watching EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461402
bruh..
no one gonna loop 8 hours stream..

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461871
She does have a birthday coming up, that might save her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461856
Since HoloX debuted, I had the feeling that Hololive are putting much more effort in them than EN or ID, they have new outfits month after debuting, while EN had to wait almost a year, they debuted the new years outfit at the same time! and now they get the 3D before even Irys or ID gen2? It doesn't have to be with HoloX members, but I feel its not fair. I mean, Myth didn't even have a proper debut yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461871
>but Selen will probably finally beat her this month.
what makes you say that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461662
>popularity
Then it should be Laplus or Chloe 3D first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461968
Japan is still closed so if you're making that argument you're just concern trolling in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462034
Irys is IN Japan retard. Feel like the company is purposely putting EN and ID into lower priority and favour JP more. Is like favouring your own kind ppl more than the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461740
>Sub 20k stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458984
shows that nijiniggers cant do shit against holoautists in their own thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461907
Don't reply to me if you don't understand basic VOD numberfagging. 8 hour streams means huge viewer churn. See King for a direct Apex example.

>>25461981
She's been breaking 5k pretty easily, whereas Sana today only got about 6k with actual NA solo slot for a bit+ announcement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462034
Holy cope. Just accept that Hololive doesn't give a shit about their side branches because they are failures and a waste of investment

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461968
None of the side branch have worked hard enough to deserve anything. They should be glad that Cover even gives them crumbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462063
And then people shitpost about “main branch vs side branch” like gee, maybe when you give the main branch 20x the opportunities and promotions while also providing them with resources to help advance their careers, MAYBE it results in more success compared to the branches that have to work with scraps.

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>>25461968
>while EN had to wait almost a year
You mean Myth. Council didn't have to wait.
>Myth didn't even have a proper debut yet
They're not going to deprive HoloX just to wait for Myth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462121
Look at this guy. Talk big but I bet you are too much of a pussy to actually send a superchat to IRyS or something and say that. Faggot Nijinigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462098
nah, just like enna she will slip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460508
>>25460579
Who knows, but her birthday is in less than 2 weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462166
HoloEN hasn't proven themselves yet. All they've shown is how lazy and creatively bankrupt they are.
HoloID in the other hand has opened up a new market for Hololive and deserve more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462063
You're the one pointlessly bringing up "no proper Myth debut" and ID2 like a fucking retard. Stick to IRyS and you have a point, anything else and you're just trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462098
>She's been breaking 5k pretty easily, whereas Sana today only got about 6k with actual NA solo slot for a bit+ announcement.

Sana will only stream 5 times this month, including her birthday and will end with a 6k median.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462063
I'm pretty dissapointed to Cover what's happening to Irys, no alt outfit and no 3D. She's supposed to be the VSinger "if that title still holds something significant". I can understand why ID 2 and EN 2 need to wait. But Irys is in Japan, why she haven't receive anything yet? HoloX got a new year outfit after a month, but Irys have to make do with a cut out. During 3D colab she is either cut out or in frame, what's up with that? Like seriously why this is happening to her? It feels unfair for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462286
Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461374
Salome is popular because she discovered an entirely new audience that no one else had reached within the JP market, people who neither watched Vtubers or any flesh streamers, with zero interest in any other content besides hers.

This conclusion is based on the evidence of how her viewer demographics look, from graphs posted within this thread, assuming they're actually legitimate. If we take this at face value, then clearly EN3 can do the same thing and easily surpass flesh streamers with 40k regular CCV, without leaching any viewers from their senpais.

[Anonymous No.]

salome vs iroha 3D stream
money on salome, how about u /#/ bros?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462321
SEAchama...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462286
Sadly I agree. ID for some reason seem a LOT more enthusiastic about growing Hololive than EN who largely seem to just want to slack off and do endless streams with open VC so they can chat among themselves rather than doing anything interesting or new to draw in more viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462318
Mori is also in Japan so your the one trolling stupid nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to guess which ones of you are purposefully ignoring that Mori had a solo 3D debut and how which ones of you are dumbasses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461740
>en gold

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462368
iroha

[Anonymous No.]

It's been two years and /hlg/ still hold a grudge? Or are these posts just from falseglaggers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462368
If Salome is losing, she'll just activate more bots

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462368
Unless it's an utawaku, she won't bet ANY HoloX 3d debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462319
Selen will get banned for streaming House Party today and will get a comeback buff to finally defeat Sana

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461871
Half hoping she does, mostly cuss Selen's been grinding for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462346
I *could* become a vtuber tomorrow and get 90k views too. I probably won't, but I could.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or has holoX been overly promoted since debut?

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like Gura reached her non funnel peak. Bae will take some viewers too, but maybe Subaru/Sana can funnel enough back in to compensate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462391
>>25462394
Please that is just Irytocrats coping and seething that they're oshi is being treated shit for being shit in getting numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462346
Ah yes the normalfags who don't watch any online content demographic, well known for their love of anime ojou-sama type characters.

[Anonymous No.]

Did any of you ask IRyS for her opinion before white knighting for her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461815
>does not like anything on twitter
She retweets plenty of fanarts
>muh ipo scam
>no company tag in stream
>barely mentions anything niji related
>no stream tag
>one line advertising Niji Apex at the end of yesterday stream
>basically an indie
You are aiming for gold in mental gymnastic don't you

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462368
Iroha, easily

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462447
Don't let your dreams be dreams, anon. Become the next xQc today

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462391
Mori already did her 3D debut.

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder that Omegay is still around. Xe just stopped tweeting. It's hard to be motivated when company takes xis side

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462485
What's the point? She won't say what she really thinks outside of a patreon stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462485
>Asking a woman for her opinion
No I don't think I will

[Anonymous No.]

>>25461856
its not as simple as just getting a replacement artist, the design of Irys is also Redjuice' ip, so he has a say in who can do what with it. They probably need to wait a set amount of time before they can even do anything with it, likely until their contract with redjuice runs out (presumably 1 year). This is assuming Redjuice is unwilling or unable to update the art.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura and Ame just admit on stream that what they are doing is cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462368
Anyone betting on Iroha is downright stupid, Cover has pissed off the EN audience for good with their favouritism and you can bet your ass all of holoX's 3D debuts are going to underperform.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462485
Yeah I did, after having sex with her, she said it's cool.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Redjuice an asshole? What's the rrat on this guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462573
It's the right choice as shown by Salome. Only the JP audience matter since they actually watch streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462555
They almost certainly purchase the full IP rights when they commission a vtuber design.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462573

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462555
The art is fine. If anything Irys design has more detail and is better drawn than most other Hololive members.

[Anonymous No.]

OHNONONONO HOLOKEKS
https://youtu.be/jwZxXZIjIOU

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462660
>t. unculled toxic japanese audience is better than an accepting and caring EN audience
try to hide yourself better last samurai

[Anonymous No.]

who's this crybaby whining about holox on cooldown

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462573
Not to mention Western audiences have gotten bored of Hololive and their toxic idol culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462660
The funny thing is that Salome EN clips have been getting more views than HoloJP clips. Not even big clippers like Sushi and Vtuber Tengoku can match that viewership anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462743
irys herself

[Anonymous No.]

These trannies are unironically cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462733
>Caring EN audience
Maybe say that when they actually start watching streams and donate

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462368
gen 5 all got within the 90k+ range, HoloX will certainly get 100k+, so I'm going with Iroha depending on day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462696
Riku, please save this child from Yagoo!

[Anonymous No.]

It's kind of astonishing how fast the thread goes to shit the instant SEAfags show up. You can tell its them because they use exactly the same bait every time too, and it comes all at once

[Anonymous No.]

I really fucking hate the nijinigger that spams insane schizo bullshit about nijisanji on cooldown. I should have known he'd move on to Salome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462547
>spoiler
That's spicy

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462751
People still clip Hololive? YIKES
but I guess parasocial faggots need their fix.
You’d think people have learned how bad a company Holo is after forcing Coco and Rushia to graduate because “muh idol culture”

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462826
gen 5 is a failure but holox viewership will be heavily impacted by cover's decision to prioritize them through no fault of their own, fans are upset and even JOPs are asking why cover is so unfair on Twitter

[Anonymous No.]

comfy hours are over, SEAkids are waking up, see you in 15h as usual, love you real numberchads <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462573
Nijiseethe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462696
Based. Making algo associations with vtubers that are most like Salami so they will find Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462697
The art is fine on paper, on a live2d vtuber the face is a disgrace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462368
Salome probably just from the fact she mysteriously gets more viewers whenever she needs to. Remember when she got beat by Miko one day and managed to get an extra 20k viewers for her next stream to just beat Miko by a nose?

[Anonymous No.]

Remember, don't respond to bait.
I bet it's those Pignoys again

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462906
HoloX are gonna do fine. But seriously, when even JOPs are questioning things then you know something is messed up

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462753
You're right they need a new flavor of toxicity like Nijisanji where talents are bullied out by their peers.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462751
What even is the highest viewed Salome EN clip?

[Anonymous No.]

Since Nijisanji is beating Hololive in viewership, I thought the baits would turn to Nijisanji, but somehow Hololive still has the bulk of the baits.

[Anonymous No.]

>25462906
>25463033
Transparent samefagging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462906
>fans are upset and even JOPs are asking why cover is so unfair on Twitter
you mean like the five fags with one like including that one dude that believes that it's happening because cover it's jealous that en is successful while not being japanese or some stupid bullshit like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462751
proof next thread?

[Anonymous No.]

SEAkids never provide actual data or create actual arguments to support their statements, it is just nonstop continuous samefagging and insults on cooldown. All posts from this point on until that behavior ends can be considered worthless shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463140
hololive board, there aren't really more than a few niji fans here, the rest are shitposters. The board itself lives and dies with Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25462982
You can take a screenshot of her stream and her face looks really similar to Europa in FGO. There's no real problem unless you just don't like his style

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463152
>JOPs voicing displeasure on twitter as it happened on IRyS tag
>3D announcement literally locked on reddit
People are frustrated on all ends. Just accept it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463152
>one dude that believes that it's happening because cover it's jealous that en is successful while not being japanese
If you knew anything about Japanese companies you'd know that is actually right, I'll take the word of an actual Japanese person over you. Japanese companies are xenophobic and have always tried to fuck over their more successful non-Japanese branches, see: Nintendo and Sony, it took Playstation moving their HQ to California to actually get fairness and parity in treatment commensurate to their success.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this a SEAtocrats seething about the 3D? Irys is just shit in getting numbers that's why she's treated like a shit, no need to shit on others

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463083
Real answer, this >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BecGnh5Lq7o
150k views after a week, kind of decent, but not viral

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463281
you can take all the screenshots you want, but the fact is it doesn't translate well to a moving live2d model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463140
Nijisanji isn't 210 Salomes. If it ever got that lopsided, and people started actually watching Nijis, then yes the baits would shift.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463140
>Since Nijisanji is beating Hololive in viewership
Salome is not even close to carrying the gigantic pile of shitters that is Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463374
Explain why Ollie, Kronii, Mumei, Fauna and Baelz aren't getting their 3Ds before Iroha despite having better numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463360
This is why no one likes ENsharts. Cover opening the EN branch was their worst mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463360
It'll die down in a couple of days and there wasn't even that many tweets about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463535
>muh ENsharts
>when even JOPs were attacking Cover over the unfairness

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463521
Fuck, forget Iroha. Fucking Koyori's numbers alone make popularity a dead argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463437
That means Hololive would be the underdog again, which feels much better than what it is right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463574
If you're going to lie, first thing you should do is convince yourself of the lie.

[Anonymous No.]

subaru ending, wonder how many flow to gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463597
Why are you schizophrenic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463574
>JOPs
Keep pretending those are JOP and not your N5 weebs trying to be japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463521
>>25463596
go ahead, post their medians, I'm waiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463386
So that guy was just bullshitting?
Here's a 350k from Sushi, who he specifically named https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwcDowwXgNU

[Anonymous No.]

The fuck is Sana actually doing? Did she go to the store? Waiting for an announcement for 3 hours now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463715
>he thinks CCV medians are accurate and fair when one side is heavily culled and the other isn't
roru roru rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463744
>So that guy was just bullshitting?
in what thread do you think you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463771
She's not done her cake, please understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463535
>Gives unfair treatment to their ENID branches
>People voice their displeasure
>"GOD, WHY ARE ENSHARTS SO HORRIBLE?"

[Anonymous No.]

huh, looks like outside /#/ Salami isn't even good bait...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463792
>muh cull
kys you tinfoil hat shitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463771
yes she went to the store to buy cream

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463826
>unfair treatment
>for a branch that is actively hurting Cover’s bottomline and JP’s chances of getting sponsorships and merch
If anything, Cover is a saint for still letting these leeches mooch off of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463857
No one cares very much about her outside of here. Trolls that spend all their time here put an outsized importance on stuff we care about. Vox is much better bait because people viscerally hate him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463771
Her announcement is that she will become her own mama and pako will step in and adopt irys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463949
true and sort of a blessing they switched to salami, I truly got tired of the fujoposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463922
YWNBJ

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463715
Here, do the fucking legwork yourself retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463857
She'll be better bait when she beats Gura's record to 1 million

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463826
>Unfair treatment for their ENID branches
Maybe if they actually worked to grow the Hololive brand overseas, you would have an argument. As it stands, they are just burdens actively leeching on their JP senpai's hardwork while not putting in any work deserving better treatment from Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464037
From a quick glance, IRyS has 7k~ Mean and Median peaks. This is higher than Lui, don't know where Iroha or Koyori are by comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464037
AIIIEEEE
HOLOBROS DON’T LOOK
IF WE CLOSE OUR EYES WE CAN PRETEND THAT HOLOLIVE IS STILL RELEVANT

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464090
No one would be motivated to put in any work if they're mistreated like this you retard, if Cover wants them to work harder maybe they should start treating them better.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder of EN sharts guy and last samurai guy are the same schizo. They're both similarly inflammatory and low effort baiters

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464039
For like a day. People are never gonna realistically hate a cute anime girl that only speaks Japanese and works for a company they don't give a shit about. It's like the people that tried to make "Gura loses to Cookiewhatever" that vtuber convert thing for like a week and failed miserably.

[Anonymous No.]

Today's gold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464037
Here are the people they decided to single out

Koyori 10810
Iroha 10322
Mumei 9187
Kronii 7861
Fauna 7512
Irys 7468
Baelz 6165
Ollie 2380

[Anonymous No.]

Bae is the biggest fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463019
Miko is the only vtuber to actually defeat Salome head to head and she did it twice. First with her WWE stream and then her 3D Live got Silver while a Salome stream got Bronze.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464161
You’re working on the false premise that Cover actually wants them to succeed.
Cover has already given up on EN and their generation of lazy whores. They’re just slowly removing all support until EN decide to quit themselves instead of having Cover look like the bad guys and tanking their already low public opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464240
Baffling post

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464039
ehh not really, the argument can just move to how she won't beat gura's 2 million record, Gura's surge was crazy, but the craziest thing about it was the legs, which Salome doesn't seem to have sub wise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460351
No they weren’t, they both were expecting the other to end it so when finana didn’t selen told her “are you waiting to raid Pomu or something” and that’s when they got the idea to raid her, finana didn’t even know how to raid

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464242
Every single one of these goes higher than Aki and Mel

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464261
What is she doing? Why isn't she in the call and playing with everybody else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464270

[Anonymous No.]

Baelz...you were supposed to be the Gura killer

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464365
And Salome goes higher than any of the Holos
What exactly is your point? Is it not proof already that all of Holos are failures

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464388
Remember when you Reddit Duck fags said that "Maybe it's time to say that Reddit Duck has passed Miko" back in December? How did that work out for you? Miko is hotter than ever and nobody gives a shit about Reddit Duck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464142
>don't know where Iroha or Koyori are by comparison
Why don't you look?

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of Miko she's streaming WWE on Sunday. Numbers prediction?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464388
Nothing he said about that statement was wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464470
what is the menu for fights?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464242
After calculating from the vods-live views discrepancy, taking into account polls and compensating for Susan's algorithm crippling their live view counter:

Mumei: 19292
Kronii: 16508
Fauna: 15775
IRyS: 15682
Baelz: 12946
Koyori: 11891
Iroha: 11354
Ollie: 9520

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464470
Doesn’t matter because she’s going to be mogged by Salome

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464470
2 Salome = 1 Miko

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464438
Is your standard for success being the most viewed streamer in the entire world? Salome is literally bigger than xQc right now, is he a failure too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464242
The differences here are minimal. Hell just last month Kronii and Mumei were at 10k too. Dunno why people shitpost Council vs Holox, Holox is doing better but outside of stream hours it sure as hell isn't dominance, and JPs always have better CCV due to a way higher box

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464242
fuck you
council without sana but plus irys > holox

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464470
sub salome

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464470
MIGO GOLD
>MIGO GOLD
MIGO GOLD
>MIGO GOLD

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464515
this is the most delusional shit i've ever read, good bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464515
I know this is bullshit, but I wish there was something of more substance to this bait. Some kind of actual formula or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464470
0.4 salome

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464436
>3rd person joining late to the same game others are playing

Bad luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464240
If Gura doesn't stream WWE tomorrow he will get the first EN gold with "totally not parasocial boyfriend asmr part 2"

[Anonymous No.]

Should have gone with Yamanaka Kotetsu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464540
The fact the SEAkiddie isn't responding to this proves definitively that he lost

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463140
there's not even enough people to sustain a Kuzuha thread so where are the nijiniggers? it's a fact that they don't watch streams too so that's not an excuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464616
Someone actually make an "accounting for cull" formula but he got bullied into shutting up. To be fair, his formula was kind of stupid and wildly optimistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464616
It's been covered in these threads, vod views suggest that EN are missing upwards of 50% of their actual live viewership in comparison to similarly subbed streamers and the polls indicate that it might be closer to 60% while holoID are around 3-4x the numbers reported on screen

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464744
Did you hit your head?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464470
Possibly 90K since its the weekend and her solo wwe streams have always been growing in ccv. However it won't matter for gold since Salome can pull 120K ccv on a Sunday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464744
are you stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464781
Evidence > No Evidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464781
Do your archive reps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464808
>read my speculative bullshit with fake numbers but in the past
good one

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464872
Keep being blind to the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464744
>Headcanon
Why don't you open your eyes and accept things as is? Cullfags get the rope

[Anonymous No.]

>>25463744
That should have been obvious. The vox bait dried up and the Salami bait started. People are here not to support anyone, but to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

This is fucking depressing

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464941
>nooo cull is not real jps have better real numbers i swear
Fuck off back to /hlg/

[Anonymous No.]

Oh great yet another perspective added to the minecraft collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464981
has she still not announced? jesas if this was JP she'd be flamed.

[Anonymous No.]

>Open numbers thread
>CTRL+F "Ame"
>4 results. Nothing relevant
Good.
>Close thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464872
Salome isn't fake numbers despite all of the proof in the world showing her viewers are fucking ghosts that come from and go nowhere when she isn't streaming, and that she has zero viewer retention between streams

But the fact that an ID can get 200% voters in a poll compared to their CCV within 10 mins isn't proof of culling? Are these your standards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465025
Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464981
Anon just to make it worse, that Pomu stream was RAIDED. She got raided and still couldn't win. She's just bleeding and bleeding

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465041
lmao who says i'm gonna defend that botter

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464994
What? Are you reacting late to Bae or is someone else in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465041
the viewer retention thing between streams should be further delved into. That in particular seems extremely weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464540
Not a Vtuber. This argument literally doesn't make sense

[Anonymous No.]

chloe debut chart
solo streams only. also missing the unarchived english singing
you can see that the morning zatsus are retention filter

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465041
>botted viewers vs botted polls
they're both just as bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465097
I thought fans of the NijiEN females supported each other?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465041
there was funneling in her last stream
wtf are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465120
Bae. I just saw she joined the VC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465025
JP have very tight streaming windows that effect other people, ENs can more or less fuck around endlessly if they feel like it.

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>>25464981
It doesn't help that she fucking lied and it's not a VR karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25453073
Kek. Imagine finally having your breakthrough talent just for her to incline the competition to the moon

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465142
>>25465041
How the fuck are you even measuring retention between streams

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>>25465150
Seems like Salome has a better debut month strategy in terms of retention but it's not like the potential isn't there for holos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465178
There's no such thing as botted polls. You'd have to anticipate a poll being on stream and then have all your bots programmed to interact with the UI to cast a vote.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465025
>if this was JP she'd be flamed
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465315
watch stream

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>>25453073
uh I thought Salome's viewers are bots
How can she funnel anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465150
This is good data

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465343
On that note I really really really want to see Salami do a poll or a raid. I bet she never does, or at least not until her numbers have really cooled off.

[Anonymous No.]

Gura 20k get

Aprox 36k watching HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465343
>he doesn't know about view farms and macros that execute on multiple computers

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465150
English study is truly a debuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>25460397
>>25460556
>>25462084

You can kneel now.

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>>25465315
Holokeks and their magic numbers. Anything to deny Salome

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465373
/#/ isn't a hivemind, only some people believe it's bots. The rest of us are entertaining the idea they might be tourists, despite the fact the data shows it to be extremely unlikely

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465414
You gotta keep in mind poll numbers are bad outside of ID/EN anyway. Like, if she got say 20k out of 100k in 5 minutes, that would be NORMAL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465373
Obviously not 100% of them are bots, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25464981
Sana is the Eternal gatekeeper for NijiEN girls. No matter how high they go, Sana will always go slightly higher, lol.

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>>25465439
Still fewer bots capable of this than those that aren't. It's legitimately a bot filtering proof. If Salome does a poll she could prove once and for all that her streams aren't botted.

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>>25465439
Your $11 an hour Shanghai bot manager isn't gonna camp a stream waiting for a poll to pop up to do that for you. We saw that with Sara Nagare's botted stream which only managed like 1k votes on her poll despite staying up for an hour in the middle of a 45k stream.

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>>25465487
Even that is cope from people who don't believe in the cull. If you apply the conversion of one CCV to another by poll ratio, you'll probably have way higher numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465183
Not really, Niji fanbase is too scattered and Nijien is going the same path with NijiJP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465562
obviously they're using different bots, genius, why would SEAs use chinkbots? they're using indonesian view farms that still count for polls but have been shadowbanned by Susan for views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465547
I wonder if Sana would incline or recline if she started streaming a lot more

[Anonymous No.]

posting this because it looks neat

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>>25465649
Don't move the goal posts. This shit looks wonky no matter how you fucking slice it

[Anonymous No.]

The bot cope fags still can't explain these comments
It can't be bots because not only they have to comment, they also have to like and reply to these comments as well. In reality, there's no ML model to write Japanese comments that can look real like that

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>>25465487
Well that's complete bullshit. JP Holos don't get as good of poll ratios as EN/ID but they still get really excellent numbers, as do all vtubers in general across the spectrum on youtube. Even Luxiem with streams filled with actual bots and unregistered VPN accounts gets better than 20% poll interaction.

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>>25465675
Ribbed for Susan's sadistic pleasure

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465728
who's moving goalposts? all the numbers on Youtube are fake and bad, not sure why only certain numbers should be true because you want it to prove you're right

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465749
>90k CCV
>800 comments
>IT CAN'T BE BOTS!!! LOOK AT THE COMMENTS!!!
You are stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>25455371
I don't understand how someone could draw those hands, look at them, and think "yeah, that's at least passable".

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465649
Whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465675
Fucking Susan.
I still have to wonder if it has anything to do with the channels being set to japan despite most of the viewers being non-japanese accounts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465776
Well duh, the whole "low engagement rate in polls" thing is kinda based on unculled twitch polls. Like, we're talking no 2020 cull tab out and mute all you want buckaroo numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465749
>it's impossible to make a machine that writes Japanese

what

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465857
And fucking "3 pixels in the bottom a wiki article still count for views".

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465749
Retard you understand that no one is saying every single viewer is a bot, right? I mean bot your stream to 40k and actual viewers start showing up wondering wtf. Shit, we saw it with Sara, who ended up with a lot more activity because she kept going up.

Now do that over a few days, and you start getting people talking about your numbers. You are treated as the new hot vtuber because botting is just a schizo theory to most people. Actual viewers can start showing up, subbing, commenting, making fanart etc.

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>>25465832
holy retard you know that number is very high right
look at this
>100k CCV
>400 comments

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>>25465653
She would probably stay around the same. Which is fine. Somebody needs to be the runt and she still does better than pretty much all of NijiEN sans Luxiem.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought Sana literally could not stream for long, how can she afford to cook shit for 4 hours without back hort?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465982
>100k ccv
>4 hours stream
>400 comments
This pretty much confirms that Holos are the one botting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465969
you fucking idiot, I posted it because it has more comments than a normal 100k CCV Vod here >>25465982

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>>25466045
Do you sit on a chair when cooking, retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466045
She got better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465982
Nijiniggers trying the old sleight of hand trick again. That wasn't the 100k CCV WWE stream retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466045
Because this will be her last stream anon-chama

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465982
>33k CCV
>635 comments
we can play this retarded game all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466045
She's not sitting at her PC. Her back hort is only an issue if she is sitting for hours

[Anonymous No.]

Gura 20k getsrd8x

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>>25466045
She's been slowly recovering

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465797
The numbers on polls are certainly real.
The number of comments are certainly real.
The number of superchats are certainly real.
The number of memberships are certainly real.
The number of merch sales are certainly real.

Some numbers, like CCV, are off by who knows how fucking much, subscribers are worthless, VoD views meaningless. But we're the numbers general, we talk about numbers here as if they fucking matter because that's what we're here for

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>>25466153
Nice.
Wake me up when she gets 127k at 12 in the morning

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>>25457941
isn't she more interested in musical side (combined with some GFE) rather than streaming games and stuff? That would prevent her from getting top tier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466122
I'm actually confused because it was a better argument to compare the 100k stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466222
Why are you so fucking stupid

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466134
>Gura
why don't you use JP Miko
>100k CCV 3D live
>300 comments

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466222
Oh you shitposterfagging.a4jps

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466176
>subscribers are worthless, VoD views meaningless
Why do you retards keep posting this? It honestly could not be more wrong even if you tried, it goes against decades of youtubers and their goals for subs and views.

"guys, like, don't subscribe or watch lmao, just hit the like button and leave a comment"-famous youtuber saying

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is getting dumber, just ignore the salomefags there is far too many reasons why they themselves would be disingenuous regardless of how disingenuous salome is.

[Anonymous No.]

Are the nijishill working overtime on damage control again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466222
Wake me up when (((Salome))) can get 850k CCV like Technoblade or Dream

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466360
Tag me when those faggots can get 3.5M CCV like my oshi Depp

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466339
The algorithm does not give a fuck about subs and VoD views only matter for recorded content, for streams it's actually irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466265
Look here, retard >>25466160

[Anonymous No.]

>Vox will do sims until 800k today
Why is he afraid of Kobo much?

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>>25465150
Wouldn't call a morning zatsu a retention filter in of itself. I wouldn't expect a morning anything to have great overlap with a tourist filled evening stream. I think it'd be a mistake to take too much from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>damage control on 20k
>while niji already secured gold for today with 92k

[Anonymous No.]

So holofags, what's the explanation for Salome's comment count that's higher than a normal 100k CCV vod?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466339
How much money does Youtube pay for Vod Views and Subscribers again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466359
No, they just want to make the thread terrible. It doesn't matter to them if they win or lose, just that they make people mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466417
>VoD views only matter for recorded content, for streams it's actually irrelevant
Amazing, every single thing you just said is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466433
...why? No one fucking watches those streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466420
???
you have brain damage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466472
How much money does youtube pay for CCV? You literally only get 1 ad per viewer vs VODs spamming you with them.

And subs isn't a metric youtube pays you for retard, what even is this argument?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25465025
It's clearly a cooking stream + announcement. She should have announced it sooner to get the tourist types informed, but not it's not like it was the only thing the stream was made for.

[Anonymous No.]

It's funny that all the evidence for these copes only help show that Salami has organic numbers.
The only thing which seemed off was the chat retention. Someone should run that analysis against the streams of another consistent CCV series. If it has the same dropoff pattern it's just that people don't participate in chat every stream.

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>>25466447
CCV doesn't translate into comments? It all comes from people commenting after the stream is over, so VoD watchers.

[Anonymous No.]

Shitposters are getting retarded by the moment that they think comments increases proportionally to ccv.

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>>25466417
Subs absolutely effect algorithm and VOD is what all youtubers get paid on, not CCV which is only a vanity metric.

[Anonymous No.]

NijiEN females unironically have the most insular fanbases in EN, overlap never seems to affect them that much, while it does affect Noctyx, Luxiem and all of HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466586
Dumbass, we already did that, and it just showed once again that Salome was abnormal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466447
Bots

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>>25466586
she only has slightly worst chat retention than this >>25465384
no
She has more tourists so it makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466417
>The algorithm does not give a fuck about subs
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466586
Retard, data anon already did that and he compared to JP's biggest streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466608
So she has a lot of Vod viewers (compared to other JP vtubers) but they can't watch her live?

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>>25454450
Hard to say. Her position is kind of unpredictable at the moment, but her viewer churn is about what one would expected from a tourist heavy audience and she's potentially running out of JPs that would be interested in vtubers. She's going to slow down and normalize as she pushes her way toward 2 mil and it will come down to if she can actually tap/retain a new section of the JP market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466586
While her number is organic, her number is abnormal too

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466778
why can't they just buy 20k more bots for her?

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>>25466417
>VOD views don't matter
>on a platform that is 99% prerecorded and edited videos
>VODs are literally just recordings of of past streams that can continue to rack up views and ad revenue
You want to see a platform where VODs and followers are legitimately worthless? Go to Twitch.

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>>25466624
CCV is useful for drawing tourists. But VODs aren't some magical thing separate from CCV, they're the total views and payout for a stream. At the end of the day you literally cannot say VODs are useless because they are a measurement of how many people watched the stream live + archive. It literally includes the metric you'd think is more valuable.

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>>25466586
Nijicoep

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>>25465251
Wow she sang WUG's 7 Girls War? Fucking based.

[Anonymous No.]

>ccv is less important compared to vod
>ludwig literally said sponsors looks at your peak ccv
>noel literally did a ccv target for sponsor
>currymeshi got awarded for having good ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466546
CCV = super chat, memberships and shilling streams. Vod views = subs (Completely useless) and SEA who use ad blockers.

[Anonymous No.]

https://mercury.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/livemegami/1654308468/

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[Anonymous No.]

>>25466829
I do wonder how the algo responds to that sort of activity. It probably does nothing as the bots don't watch anything else and then promptly get marked as fraudulent. Most it can do is push someone into trending in the very short term, but probably has a pretty negative association for the account once culled.

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>>25466853
Followers on twitch is worthwhile because it increases the number of people who will automatically see when you're live. Also it probably has some kind of notification system like youtube does if you're a follower?

[Anonymous No.]

You can see how much shitposting is by how fast the topic of discussion changes as the shitposter actively avoids engaging with intelligent discourse.

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>>25466894
We already saw the cover document where they use views to advertise to sponsors, Noel and Curry are old shit. Also are we not arguing day to day here? Oooh more CCV = more sponsorships, any idiot could have told you that, but you'd have to literally abandon logic to think that if you were a low CCV but high VOD view streamer you would not get sponsorships. Like what, do you not know sponsors pay content creators to advertise in VODs all the time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467065
Unlike subscribers, which literally don't even do the one thing they're good for, in telling you when someone uploaded. They're actually worthless

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466894
Pretty much. When it comes down to it what sponsors are interested in is going to come down to particular sponsors. All of them have different expectations and goals which we largely have no access to unless they speak about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466908
You are absolutely not arguing in good faith with this bullshit, never has CCV been tied with superchats or memberships. I'm done with your idiocy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467067

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>>25467121
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467143
You're responding to yourself. You can't be done with your idiocy

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>>25466852
If I live stream for 1 viewer who donates $100, and then afterwards the Vod gets 100,000 viewers, of which half have ad block, then that one viewer is worth a fuck ton more. A single $5 membership/super chat is worth more than a million vod views combined. Ad revenue is non existent in the current day and age, Youtube slashed that back when anyone with a camera could get lucky and get a few million video views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467121
I get pinged on my phone like, 90% of the time someone I'm subbed goes live. They're not useless at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466697
Lets not pretend anyone here understands how the algorithm works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467086
The difference is its from someone that have access to youtube analytics compared to your voice in the head

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466447
holofriends, are these commenters real?
If they are then that's a lot for a 100k stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467256
CCV doesn't translate into comments idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>25466433
At least he's less than 3k away this time. So it won't be awkward as hell when he doesn't come close to reaching it like last time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467210
Sub = shit gets suggested to you far more than shit you're not subbed to.
It's really not that hard to understand or test out.

[Anonymous No.]

Vox winning the cripple today? 800k endurance + Sims + ASMR, stacking all the buffs he can

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467186
I see, so 99% of people on YT are retarded, they should just do 1 CCV livestreams instead of uploading videos.

Hell all these holoclippers that basically shit out dozens of clips per day, they must be making their money from patreon or something, definitely no cash to be raked in from all those views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467297
Retard
There's a positive correlation between CCV and Vod comments for all JP streams (or all streams actually but Gura has a different ratio due to having a worldwide audience)

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467383
Only with EKG spike. Endurance has proven to be disastrous for him and very few ASMRs ever got to 20k.

[Anonymous No.]

guras beautiful serrated graphs and almost twice the waiting room. beautiful

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467383
Depends how much Mori's eikawa gets I guess. Miko's elite English is quite the draw after all (even if RBC/Sana are deadweights)

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467383
We'll see, if he can't get over 20k then things aren't all great in chinkville for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467383
He just needs Salome to join his VC for that 90k boost

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, but lets assume the cull is actually for real. How much is it? Actually show me the math

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467383
that SIMS like shit stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467548
For Gura, I'll say it's x2 at the very least
Gura's real CCV is probably about 50k

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467485
Anon? Eikawa isn't today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467548
Check out Gura's November and first half of December CCV and compare it with second half of December and January CCV. There's a good way to find a percentage.

[Anonymous No.]

>Vods are useless
>subs are useless
>ok let's assume the cull is real
aaah tasukete how can we keep looping this shit. are you guys not thread regulars or something? surely you've seen all possible sides of these arguments by now

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467548
Depends on the stream but it's like 20-40% depending on the audience mix. 25% is the baseline 2020 cull and whatever has been added since then is sort of nebulous, if anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467694
we get new people all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467694
Time loops happen anytime SEAkids are on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467741
Then why do they sound the exact same way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467385
Absolutely none of those clippers are making ANY money from this, unless like you said they run a patreon. I have an old Terraria channel where I used to upload shitty tutorial videos, some of which got 1-2 million views, and I never got a single cent from that channel. Even if I tried it would have been no more than a few $. I don't know the exact YouTube numbers, but on twitch the amount from ads is not even a cent per viewer. Subscribing on twitch actually removes ads and yet the streamers encourage it anyway since a 5$ per month is worth an infinite more amount of money than if you were to sit and watch some ads, and this isn't even taking into account ad blockers. So again Like i said, 1 super chat is probably equivalent to a million 3rd worlders watching a vod, vod views is literally irrelevant compared to super chats, members, and ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467657
That's for the year 2020 (and 2021 for January) if it wasn't obvious

>>25467624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jrd6zOCsvrk&t=9540s

[Anonymous No.]

chloe's debut audience cross over
the most shocking thing is that there are vox/mysta watchers that rubber necked on her debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467773
It's funny no one talks about them in SEAhours. SEAhours are Salome hours now, no one talks about Gura anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467790
because a new person would ask the same thing a new person would ask after seeing buzz words thrown around

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467814
>Source: trust me bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467475
Its delayed retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467838
didnt Chloe debut before Mysta and Vox or am i misreading what the fuck youre saying

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467475
Natural recline working as intended

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467548
She would have more ccv than salome

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467548
Take a look at any stream poll and compare it against the CCV. If the voter count is higher than the CCV, assume at LEAST that many extra are present but invisible

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467814
Then how do a lot of youtubers make enough money to do their stuff full time off just ads? Maybe your demographic was just children and that's why you were getting nothing from the ads. or it was getting claimed by Terraria.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467959
yeah about a month
i'm using their recent hand cam off-collab. so it's more like the people who are currently watching/following lux

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467814
Mate Dudul showed us he made at least a few hundreds dollars off of 1 minute of animation. Maybe it was you with the SEAnigger VOD audience specifically, because if you had 10 min+ videos that weren't claimed, you should definitely make more than a couple of bucks off 1-2 million VODs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467548
Yea she probably has about 100k viewers at any given time? How do I know this? Well you're gonna have to trust me on that one bro. See according to the voices inside my head Gura is the second coming of Christ, the greatest Vtuber ever to exist, which means that it's impossible for her to get bad views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468011
Best source I can pull is this youtube video
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_rkNcpAeoQ
This dude shows all the analytics, judge for yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468174
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468011
>>25468133
What do you niggers think the Hololive audience is, wealthy oil barons and upper class European white men? The demo for vtubers is literally all SEA, teens and young adults.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467838
>Shark Burger KFP DD,Member (2 months)
ok this one make sense i guess. but that's one out of 6

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468315
>t. self-hating SEAfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467309
That's only a fraction of the algorithm. And in the post >>25466417 that was the argument, it's pretty clear he's talking about subscribing not increasing the chances of people unsubbed finding the video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468315
We've already seen the demographic breakdowns for several Holos. SEA viewers are like 15%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468315
>The demo for vtubers is literally all SEA,
stop lying you garbage piece of shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468315
Pretty much. That's why Hololive is a failure. Meanwhile Salome gets 99% JP audience who will watch streams and donate. Their views are worth more too because unlike Hololive SEAnigger audience, they actually watch ads

[Anonymous No.]

>>25458597
A lot of Vtuber fans don't watch "normal" streamers pretty much at all (that's also true for me) and really most people in general would rather watch netflix than ninja or pokimane, streaming is not super-mainstream.

>>25456741
You have a lot of normies with default "new thing bad" mentality until it get's normalized, it was the same with anime not too long ago. Also probably many people know Vtubers from twitch where they're mostly known from talking about cocks and making vagina jokes, I can see how some might think it's a sex thing similar to pool thots.

>>25457477
And yet we had more than 10 years of capeshit in cinemas. There was a huge spike in chuuba popularity when Myth debuted but I wouldn't exactly call it a "mania" there are tons of people out there either not aware of the concept at all or never bothered to look into it (you can hook some of them during debuts).

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468174
I like how this is your only counter to the arguments presented in favor of culled CCV, just making fun of people who notice it. You can't dismiss the number disparity between poll results and CCV, and VoD views to CCV disparity between HoloEN, HoloID, and HoloJP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468474
>bring Salome in outta nowhere
Holonigger, make your falseflagging less obvious please

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468174
There is no way people get 100k for a 1m views minute video, many youtubers showed that they get 5k atmost for 1m view and thats with a 10 min video which is the best length to gauge most ad reveneue

[Anonymous No.]

>>25457004
she can be a bit of a numberfag

[Anonymous No.]

Ponto and Umise from Ranunculus can’t even reach 1k ccv. meanwhile Salome...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468515
>A lot of Vtuber fans don't watch "normal" streamers pretty much at all (that's also true for me) and really most people in general would rather watch netflix than ninja or pokimane, streaming is not super-mainstream.
But those people weren't watching Vtubers either, and yet they all tuned into this one Ojou character and then rotated through at a rate of 50k a stream?

That's better numbers than big Twitch streamers, just leaving and being replaced every stream. How are so many people so credulous as to believe this is possible?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468133
>again with the VODcope
That only works for Youtubers/Animators like Dudul.
Vtubers are LIVE STREAMERS. the only metric that matters for them are LIVE VIEWERS and LIVE DONATIONS/SCS

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468593
Never seen any indication she cares about CCV much except maybe karaokes. She cares about views and sales of her music, subs to some extent, and most of all money in her pocket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25467838
What about her crossover between other HoloX?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25468745
I recognize this schizo.