Niji Defends Parasocial Relationships

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Voxsisters...
Finanakeks...

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Finana in shambles

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>>25359284
She's right, though. The fact that some of Vox's fanbase is like that doesn't discredit that. Nor does it discredit Finana's tweet shitting on specifically those types of people.
It's only a problem /here/ because well, a lot people here are like that.

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NOOOOOOOO
>does date stream
YOU CAN'T JUST
>does bedtime ASMR stream
PANDER TO INCELS
>still insists that she's a virgin
FOR MONEY
>gives kisses at the end of every stream

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That's the correct take though. There's nothing wrong with a parasocial relationship unless it results in you doing some kind of harm to yourself or others.

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I don't have to agree with everything Finana says.

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EN in shambles
ID thriving
Thank ma ZEA

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>>25359284
OG thread here >>25342476

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>>25359599
>ID thriving
Not if I have anything to say about it

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>>25359549
Also this the fact that someone might hold opinions you disagree with on some things or even a lot of things doesn't nessecarily mean you need to hate them. The world would be boring of everyone agreed with everyone they knew and liked on everything.

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finana's tweet being taken out of context is already cheating. Don't know why people keep leaving out the part about vox doing a stream about some fans attacking reimu and finana responding to it

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>>25359284
Niji ID bros? What happens? Why did she participates in this moronic drama? This has nothing to do with exID.
Where is Taka? No one is taking over the role of manager now to tell the livers to mind their own business? They've been thrown over like garbages and now they're digging their own graves.

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>>25359284
Pretty common to hear about fans looking to improve their lives for/in the name of their oshis (workout, get a job, pick up a hobby, learn a language etc).
Finana is just a retard who wants more twitter clout.

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>>25359689
People like to shit on Finana, and this is probably their best "legit" excuse to do so.

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>>25359477
>I want the money from waifufags
>but I don't want the responsibility of making my character a waifu
Typical woman moment. No professionalism.

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Oh no she doesnt!

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>>25359689
That's true she said parasocial fucks specifically in reference to the people hating on Reimu.

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>>25359827
Her opinion is
>If parasocial relationships are positive for you = good
>If parasocial relationships are negative for you or others = bad

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>>25359477
What a perfect circle. It's mesmerizing.

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>>25359940
That's just common sense. Although it has been lost in the field of psychology for the past 50 years or so. What with the drive for acceptance instead of really asking the hard question of whether or not someone's mental state is actively harmful to their immediate or long term health and life expectancy. Like being gay.

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>>25359689
>>25359785
>>25359842
Finana didnt mention the Reimu situation, even if YOU know that's what it was about. She left it wide open so every fucking undesirable could weigh in and insult any and all vTuber fans. Like fuck, I know Niji managers are a meme but she should not have Twitter access.

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ZEA LOVE

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>>25360176
https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1531478643116896256
Looking at what she's replying to it's obvious to anyone that actually follows her what she's talking about. Although I agree it's dumb to rely on people to understand that in a place of public discussion where anyone can see it

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>>25359284
Is this real or taken out of context? a niji bitch cannot possibly be this nice.

>>25359477
>still insists that she's a virgin
Who does this in niji? it's nijisaseko for a reason.

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>>25360176
How could anyone be following a NijiEN account and not know who it was directed at? The only way it would reach the people who don't know would be reposts by outsiders who deliberately leave out the context specifically to paint her in the light like this guy >>25359477

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>>25360334
She's talking about the topic in depth right now. She's totally okay with parasocial relationships as long as they're healthy for the person engaged in them.
https://youtu.be/JNwJmgCowN4

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>>25359689
She insulted a wide group of people in that tweet, regardless of the context. Like, if I get mugged by a french guy, and then I say "fuck the french", then the french will probably still take offense even though in context I might have only been referring to one guy.

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>>25360334
Pretty much everybody in Niji does the same thing as Holo either they don't talk about sex and relationships at all or if they do talk about it they will imply or explicitly state they're not currently in a relationship. There's only really a handful of people that go against that.

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>parasocial relationships even encompass talking to anonymous strangers on the internet

I liked it better when 4chan was just one incredibly schizophrenic guy named Anonymous talking to himself

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>>25360597
Totally.

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>>25360714
It's still like that on this board sometimes.

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>>25360719
If I remember correctly even in the context of that stream they were mostly talking from the perspective of what they enjoy in pornography. But even then there's a reason that they make up a particularly notorious group know as skb-bu. Because most of the others aren't like that.

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>>25360576
but seriously, fuck the French.

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>>25360714
All me

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>>25360714
Yeah, now it's just SEA, niggers and bots, I would honestly rather talk to myself.

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>>25359722
You never watch ZEA, aren't you? She always open for discussion with topics like this one.

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>>25359284
That's a really nice gesture, to sit down and actually discuss what the term parasocial really means. It might help educate both Vtubers and their fans. I hope it gets clipped and shared around.

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>>25361383
She speaks quite in depth. It'll be difficult to clip a moment and keep it short. But I'll try it.

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>>25360901
>they don't talk about sex
>t-they were just being ironic...

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>>25361383
>I hope it gets clipped and shared around
>EX Niji ID
>450 viewers
It won't be.

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>>25361466
Can't we just take honestly instead of being intentionally retarded? Please go back to the previous post and re-read it I didn't say nobody talks about sex. I said the majority of them either don't talk about sex and relationships or if they do they will imply or state outright they aren't currently in one.

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>>25361466
Most Nijis don't talk about sex, SKB does and are extreme about it.

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Everyone is good at defending parasocial shit but when the yab happens to them I guarantee you they will 100% shit and shart on all their previous words because every single vtuber who isn't bound by contract rules will not give a flying fuck about the health of their fanbase as long as they generate income (unless this vtuber is a literal saint on earth and that's objectively impossible).

Prove me wrong. Protip: you literally can not.

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>>25361869
Why are you here on the virtual youtuber board?

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>>25361869
The girl literally went through the negatives and the positives and came to the conclusion "it depends". Do people like you just read the subject and write paragraphs without even investigating what you're responding to?

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>>25361869
context matters and this board just leaves everything out just so they have a reason to hate something

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This is a way better stream than whatever that vtuber that's being shilled in the catalog's video was.

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>>25359284
It's just a normal social relationship using communication technology. Of course they can be good or bad, just like any normal social relationship.

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>>25359477
>>25359284
Wait for the punchline!

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>>25359284
Lol that is a very nothing statement.
Everything can be good or bad lol.

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>>25362219
Watch streams.

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>>25362085
A normal relationship means it is a 2 way thing. In a parasocial relationship you can have one individual highly implicated in the relationship while the other doesn't even know the first one exist.
This is not just a "normal social relationship using communication technology"

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>>25362219
She's saying it's a grey area instead of being a black or white subject, and that's lost on most people because nuance is forgotten and you MUST take a side

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>>25362030
>it depends
Translation: you can get angry at others but you must be my loyal buttslave even if I have sex with my husband on stream and don't forget your 200 USD supa.

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>>25362350
Anon it's a fucking niji ID, they get peanuts and stream for fun, they sure as hell aren't making a living from niji

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>>25362219
Even Hitler?

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>>25362275
Obviously both parties know each other and can share as many details as they want. You're confusing it because streamers often purposefully ignore people talking to them, which is a form of social interaction.

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>>25362275
The fact is she knows that her fanbase is composed of socially retarded middle-aged men who never had a relationship and 99% of them is in love with her but this sort of vtuber would admit this only when it's convenient to them.

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>>25362303
Again literally everything is that man. If the point of the stream was "is Parasocial relationships bad?" Then the question wasn't answered. I am just peeved that she made a stream explaining a subject she is not qualified for. All this is gonna do is confirm existing biases (like OP for example).

>>25362414
Everything....sadly.
We see him as obviously bad but alas there are people on that side....

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>>25362617
I suggest actually watching the stream. She spoke quite in depth on the subject. She did answer the question, albeit in a way that probably isn't good enough for you - she said parasocial relationships are good when they are beneficial to the party participating in them, and bad when they are not.

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>>25362617
When will mankind realize that he was a good guy the whole time?

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>>25359549
>>25359675
Boy you guys must be fun at parties.

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>>25362303
What did you expect? she's pretending like anyone else who doesn't want to graduate early because of haters. It's only natural she would say everything and conclude nothing about this subject because she needs her incel fanbase as much as she needs the sympathy of the twitter trannies and the rest of niji who definitely don't give a shit about their incel fans and don't want to feel restricted but never talk about it to avoid land mines.

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ZEA isn't even GFE, have you seen her chat?

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>>25362617
I think that's legitimately he correct answer to the question as stated though isn't it? Are parasocial relationships good or bad the answer of could be either. If it was something like Is a parasocial relationship where I harrass other my oshis friends good or bad then the answer would have been bad.

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>>25362414
Especially Hitler.

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>>25362698
That's just dodging the question. GIve me A YES OR NO ANSWER

MY OSHI IS MY WIFE AND SHE LOVES ONLY ME

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>>25362741
That's a lot of assumptions on the part of someone that doesn't watch her.

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>>25362303
>that's lost on most people because nuance is forgotten and you MUST take a side
Fence sitters go to hell.

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>>25362815
yeah for a retard like you the answer is it's bad

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>>25362741
She doesn't care about the Twitter trannies. She chastised people who frame parasocial relationships as inherently a bad thing. She even defended GFE/BFE.

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>>25362617
>Again literally everything is that man
That's a retarded way of thinking as well but the point is that in the internet for most people everything must be black and white, either GFE is good or it isn't, you're in this fucking board with daily threads having both groups shitting on each other without saying there's a middle ground or that both can be right
>If the point of the stream was "is Parasocial relationships bad?" Then the question wasn't answered.
Genuine autism

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>>25362815
not every question has a binary answer, in fact very few open ended questions do

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>>25360420
parasocial relationships ain't healthy bro

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>>calling out an unhealthy obsession is okay, but calling someone out just because they have strong emotions? you're lame!
She's based

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>>25362911
They can be.

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>>25362830
Come on, you know it's the truth. If she was in Reimu's shoes (falling in love and fucking another niji member), she would never admit to have hurt her fanbase who loved her so much that they were spending half of their shitty SEA salary on supas.
Every single chuuba wants the benefit of the seiso lifestyle without actually following any seiso principles because they feel entitled to the affection and support of their fans, even if they deny it.

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>>25362780
You are right logically but also logically that can be said about anything.
I personally think this question can only be answered through data, as in do we as a person have enough capacity to stop ourself from going too far?
Which is why I think she should not have done this stream, it's not something we can answer through logic.

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>>25362741
Anon she's a niji ID, I feel like this pretending to be retarded isn't working out for you, again they're fucking 2-3 views that stream for peanuts

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>>25362963
that's a big fucking if
that if basically invalidates your entire post

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So an irrelevant Niji just felt like she had to give her worthless opinion? The fuck is wrong with that company? Can't they just shut up?

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>>25362741
If so then not bringing this topic is most beneficial option for her.

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>>25359284
Who is she? I wanna sub

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>>25362953
The most correct opinion I've seen today

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>>25362741
You're kind of dumb. The girl has $6k superchat on playboard from nearly 3 years of vtubing. She doesn't have some fanbase of big donation unicorn incels to pander to. It's literally a hobby.

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>>25362987
>>25362963

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>>25362992
Do you really believe it?

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>>25362741
All you had to do was watch the stream and you would save yourself from sounding like a retard

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So she did this just to throw shade at Finana and Vox?

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>>25362997
Zea Cornelia.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA3WE2WRSpoIvtnoVGq4VAw

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>>25363026
Zea cornelia

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>>25362979
>I personally think this question can only be answered through data
She gave the sourced data, you fucking retard thread-reader, can you pretend to be retarded somewhere else?

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>>25363010
The most beneficial option is to bring it up to get views because it's the new thing but never give her personal approval or denial for it which is exactly what she did.

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>>25359284
Wow, what a crazy hot take bros!

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>>25363063
No, she did it because it's an interesting topic and everyone is talking about it, you can say Vox caused this but it wasn't aimed at them

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>>25363082
She gave her approval towards beneficial parasocial relationships and her disapproval towards unbeneficial ones. Pretty clear cut.

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This is like the bizarro version of the other thread, but it's a nice contrast of people who are watching the stream and the people who aren't

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>>25363038
If she's living with her parents, that's a good sum that can feed you for at least a year.

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>>25363082
>but never give her personal approval or denial for it which is exactly what she did.
Anon seriously, what do you get out of lying in this thread about a stream from a fucking NijiID

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>>25363105
>It's an interesting topic
And yet she gave a boring answer.

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>>25363184
She gave data and her personal opinion about it, if you want a hot take you can post the finana tweet again

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>>25363184
Sorry she didn't give you more material for bait threads, nigger.

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>>25359666
ES LA CREATURA DEBUFF

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>>25363165
>If she's living with her parents, that's a good sum that can feed you for at least a year.
Anon... 3 years...

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>>25363082
Yeah and then get flocked by dramanigger who bring her out of context opinion? In long term isn't worth that much

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>>25363078
I'll be honest with you I am not going watch the stream because I don't want give this traction incase the info is terribly wrong. If you don't mind, could you give me her sources? I am willing to admit I'm wrong if there data behind it.

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>>25363165
Now take off the 30% that goes to youtube, the 50% that goes to anycolor and all the money she's spent on art and mixing for her covers. She's probably spent more on being a vtuber than she's made.

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>>25363213
But that's all Niji whores are good for

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>>25359666
But anon Hana wants ID to thrive, only problem is that she wants it to happen without pandering to anyone outside of the very small ID audience

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>"why stop? its helping you!"

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>Enter a actual social relationship with some 2view on twitch
>Can't fool myself into entering a parasocial one anymore, because the moment I do I think of chatting directly with them and then the illusion breaks
Sorry folks.

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>>25363233
Source it yourself you fucking retard

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>>25363145
>it's ok when it's good and it's not ok when it's bad
How gullible can you be? do you need to spell it out for your? looks like we got some sub 80 sea in here.

Translation: it's unhealthy to feel parasocial towards my friends Reimu or Vox because they don't want to deal with your feelings and shit but still need your support so you either feel parasocial with a cuck mentality or shut up and go away.

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>>25359940
Based I'm going to sub

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>>25363233
>I'm making shit up but I'm going to pretend I'm right since I haven't seen what I'm arguing about
Ah yes, schrodinger's school of arguing

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>>25359284
all this tells me is that nijisanji is hypocritical

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>>25363233
>traction
It's an ID stream, you're not going to make it viral by giving it one more view, just refrain from discussing it if you don't even want to watch the stream nigger

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>>25363082
Wrong. If she really wanted to profit she should have gone the contrarian stance of pro-parasocial, because controversy creates cash when you're a nobody. Later down the line she can apologize for it and disown her audience like Nyanners.

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>>25360719
Based Mirei

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>>25363226
>out of context
Point out what posts are taking her words out of context.

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>>25359284
fucking based

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>>25363300
>Nijisanji is one person

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>>25363300
This, she's really fucking stupid for opening up her mouth here.

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>>25363300
Nijisanji isn't a hivemind like you corporate mandated whores

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>>25363262

lmao what a retard

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>>25363300
It's called nijisaseko* get their prouns right.

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>>25363165
She is not with her parent tho. She lives with nara on a rented studio iirc

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>>25363262
Nice try at interpreting her mindset, but she actually made a presentation about the same topic before any of this shit went down. In Indonesian, albeit. She has a legitimate interest in this topic. Watch streams. She also defended BFE and somebody who explicitly said they fantasized about being in love with a streamer, so I don't know why you'd interpret that as
>You can't be parasocial towards EN because... because you just can't, okay!!

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>>25359284
Good for her. Just further proof how garbage nijien is

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She should've brought Terumi along, someone who's very pro parasocial

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>>25363352
Nijicope moment. You are not worth the time it takes to write a reply to your posts, kindly commit sudoku.

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Shitting on "parasocial relationships" (I miss when we just called them otaku) doesn't even make sense financially. Why would you go to so much effort to chase off whales? Anyone who does so deserves subscriber death.

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>>25363394

> You are not worth the time
> still replies

lmao

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>>25363383
terumi is a mental trainwreck and is on the negative side of the PSR spectrum herself

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>>25359284
so we agree that this proves is that nijien is full of brainlets right

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>>25363362
>>You can't be parasocial towards EN because... because you just can't, okay!!
Do you honestly think she meant something different with this? think again.

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>>25363317
But she IS explicitly pro-parasocial when it makes the person who's parasocial feel good, providing they don't hurt anyone. That's her stance.

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>>25363416
I'm glad the main branch isn't siding with them.

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>>25363428
Not only do you not watch streams, but you can't even read posts. Unless you're suggesting she had a time machine and foresaw this coming and felt the need to defend EN members she's never even interacted with in the past by speaking about the same subject.

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ZEA has the only good Vtuber playthrough of Omori I have ever seen, by the way. She fights the Recyclepath and the Unbread Twins, she brushes her teeth, and she doesn't like Sunny's mom.

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>>25363416
always have been, just like 90% of en indies

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>Parasocial good....but also bad!
Wow, really stunning contribution to the topic. We totally needed to hear her take on this!

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>>25363076
Thank you anon, she's cute

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>>25363428
Repeating yourself while not even bothering to watch the stream isn't going to magically make you right

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>>25363518
Why is this take making people so butthurt? It's like any relationship. You can't just make a blanket statement of "all relationships are good". It depends on the nature of the relationship. That's the whole goddamn point.

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>>25363518
It is a good contribution to the topic, watch the stream it's pretty informative

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>>25363324
So wanna make bet? Some retard like >>25362815 thirsty for drama material

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>>25363518
she actually explains how it works though and this would probably do a better job of placating the bloodthirsty unicorns than what vox and finana did

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>>25363416
>there's anons unironically thinking that a nijisaseko bitch is talking about this topic to criticize her colleagues

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>>25363518
>Parasocial good, but also can be bad, but I personally support it
And before you call her a grifter she's a NijiID 3 view, she has nothing to grift

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>>25363518
Sorry you couldn't get a bait thread out of a stream stating facts

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>>25363518
Do you know what the overton window is?
You can just go full "PARASOCIAL IS ALWAYS GOOD". Everyone is raging on them right now, quite a decent number of people must think they're strictly bad.

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>>25363545
At least she made the fish look even worse, so there's some worth.

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Man ZEA has some hardcore fans here or people desperately clinging on to hope that their crappy lifestyle has been validated cause a random cute internet anime girl said so.

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>>25363545
It's straight up one guy shitposting, and he's fucking terrible at it but people can't refrain from replying

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>>25363545
Common sense isn't common nowadays anon

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>>25363600
I know you people don't really know anything about finana but she's always dumb, ZEA stating some facts isn't making her look any more dumb than she already was

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>>25363603
I hate to break it to you anon but your reason for watching a middle aged roastie larp as an poorly animated anime girl aren't any better than anyone else's.

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>>25363518
This whole thing started because Finana made a blanket statement

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>>25363603
It's ok anon I validate your crappy lifestyle of shitposting on a virtual moving jpg board on a basket weaving forum, as long as you get joy from it continue being you

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>>25363663
The whole thing started because vox had his audience telling his friend to kill herself, Finana's dumb tweet was only a thing here

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>>25363534
Anon, she literally said it can be good if... it can be bad if... and the implication is fucking obvious, you really need to be a sub 80 SEA monkey to fail to read between the lines. She's a niji and she cannot go against the mindset of the rest of her friends, we live in a society and collabs and twitter likes is what keeps this company afloat.

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>>25363712
Anon I watched the stream, don't bother trying to push your dumb bait

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>>25363712
She isn't friends with Vox and Finana. She does not know them personally. They have never collabed. She's an ID member. The fact that she didn't do a blanket take of "all parasocial relationships are bad" like Finana is already going against the grain. You actual mong.

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>>25363712
>we live in a society and collabs and twitter likes is what keeps this company afloat.
It's a fucking Niji ID lmao

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One think I can definitely assure you is that she's not doing this to criticize EN.
She's doing this to keep her fans under her thumb.

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Why is it that every time there's a /vt/ thread about Nijis saying something about vtuber fans, this board finds some way to prove them right?

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>>25360036
common sense doesn't exist online, so yes everyone needs a reminder from time to time

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>>25363874
This makes even less sense than the other retard

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>>25363924
Because your small chicken brain cannot process it.

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>>25363874
>Keeping fans
You're thinking about Vox here anon.

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>>25363712
Shh anon it's okay to be wrong
Your parents and teachers aren't gonna beat you up with a rattan stick for getting basic facts wrong while trying to bait on a basket weaving forum, they already gave up on you a long time ago
Just take the L and move on buddy

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>>25364005
The fuck is happening these last few days with this reddit-level pathetic drivel? Go back anon.

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>>25364005
Spotted the unironic cuck.

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>>25360576
>She insulted a wide group of people in that tweet, regardless of the context
no, she was talking to a specific group and that's clear to anyone who isn't just looking for any excuse to play victim.

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>>25359338
>>25359375
You niggers gotta stop this before something bad happens.

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>>25359284
>one person talks about the scientific meaning of a word
>other person talks about the layman's use of the word
>"OH MY GOD THEY ARE GONNA FIGHT!!!"

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Ask her "do you approve of Reimu and Vox relationship?" in chat. I fucking dare you.
You won't even try because you know the ban hammer is gonna one-shot you.

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>>25364471
Anon the stream ended already, but nice job outing yourself as a threadwatcher

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>>25364384
Maybe I shouldn't ask, but what the actual fuck is up with these pictures showing up in multiple threads?

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>>25364514
>this much cope
Niji fan proves himself a cuck yet again.

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>>25364363
It's clear she's talking about the antis but she's a retard for using parasocial, her relationship with fans itself is parasocial as well

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>>25364615
>but she's a retard
You could've stopped here, I'm still surprised a tweet of finana being dumb managed to mindbreak so many people here when she's like that every day

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>>25364363
You are wrong. She blamed "parasocial fucks" for what happened. That is a term that encompasses more than the group responsible. Perhaps she meant something different, but that's what she wrote.

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>>25364680
If you were this worried about words being used properly you wouldn't be here anymore

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>>25364571
NTA but you're dumb as hell bro. Did you expect him to send maro after the stream ended? Wut?

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The title of this thread is clickbait. Niji doesn't defend shit.
As usual niji needs to resort to petty clickbaits to generate any interest.
All fields.

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>>25362953
that ain't parasocial relationship. that's just long-distance relationship. unless she started treating each chat as an individual, none of the benefits can be applied excluding "alleviating loneliness".

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>>25364459
Nijiniggers also fight amongst themselves.

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>>25364797
That's just data, not an opinion, but feel free to disagree

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>>25364797
It describes when someone says "I'm going to get fit/learn something/better myself for my oshi". That's parasocial, she won't even know you're doing any of this shit but it's still good since you're doing something to better yourself

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What the fuck are you guys even arguing over anymore?

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>>25360176
The managers are probably trying their hardest without overstepping. Progress has been made too, she had to get a secondary account to like and retweet all the porn of herself she shlicks to, instead of doing it in the main account.

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>>25365319
This is the only place going bananas over her tweet, why would managers be worried about it?

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>>25365192
Last thread with this topic was surprisingly sane and reasonable for a /vt/ bait since the stream coincided with thread activity, meaning that people were actually watching. This one is just business as usual with the same old retards.

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>>25365381
I just find it funny /vt/ got that offended by it, or at least acted like it offended them. It did lead to some funny threads with a anon trying to shill Terumi but everyone quickly realizing she's actually a perfect example of the bad side of parasocial relationships.

[Anonymous No.]

In the most literal sense of course parasocial relationships aren't inherently bad. If you watch a movie and you like a character/actor, that's a parasocial relationship, but the term "parasocial relationship" is absolutely fucking useless. It's just a big word to describe something that doesn't really need describing, so it's understandable that the word "parasocial" has a bad reputation when it's moreso used to describe the negative effects that can occur from said relationships. That's the more useful form of the term. When people talk about parasocial relationships in a positive light, it's no different from "x media/character/actor makes me happy". There's no need for big words there. No shit the literal, dictionary definition isn't bad. Everyone knows what they mean when they talk about parasocial bad, people just want to act smart because le semantics. Mysta/Pomu definitely talk about it better and more in-depth on stream than Finana's one-off tweet, but people will do anything to make her the new queen of /vt/.

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>>25365403
I still can't believe it took a NijiID to make /vt/ watch a stream for once

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>>25359373
What a coincidence, Vox tells fujos they're not in a relationship with him, and hours later Finana tweets that all parasocials are incels. Hmmm....

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>>25362414

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>>25365381
Because they're not Twittards who have no vested interest in any of this and are just looking to dunk on nerds and are instead intelligent enough to realize its perpetuating a negative stereotype about the industry their company exists and the people they cater to?

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https://twitter.com/ZEA_Cornelia/status/1532234992838844416
anons... i'm gosling...

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>>25363249
Timestamp?

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>>25359549
>>25359675
Finana doesnt even knows what "parasocial" entails to begin with; she just used it as a buzzword

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>>25359284
>Anything in excess is LE BAD!
Wow give this bitch a Nobel.

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>>25366537
You say that like normongs are not pushing hard the idea that ANY amount of parasocial engagement is negative

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>>25359735
Sometimes all of that comes from a subconscious need to get something to take the mind away from the oshi

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>>25363416
and now you understand why everybody hates nijiEN.

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>>25359284
Most of this stream was pro-parasocial relationships and pro-GFE, so long as it is done in a healthy way. In short, GFE is based and so is ZEA.

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>>25360901
Gundou has also talked about liking choking during sex, and that it’s a massive turn off of a guy goes limp in the middle of sex, Hoshikawa agreed with both of these statements. They also then said they felt bad because a guy who goes limp can’t lie about it and say he just came as their will be no semen to be found.

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>>25366455
she used it in response to vox's stream, what are you on about

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>>25360719
How no one has taken Ange’s virginity yet is one of life’s great mysteries.

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>>25360719
Even those typically talk on general terms. Ultimately, even they realise that their audience is lured in by the implicit promise of sexual availability.

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>>25359284
Woah. Its an all out war out there in NIJISANJI!

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All VTubers are whores of some sort. They provide gratification of an emotional kind which inevitably turns into a romantic/sexual pursuit after hours spent in the audience and they receive money for doing such. That’s why there’s so much porn of VTubers.

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>>25366868
Too bad this means nothing to this board because no one here does it in a healthy way and use it to justify going menhera over their oshi interacting with the opposite sex

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>>25363249
>>25366274
1:15:50

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>>25366868
So it doesn't apply to /vt/.

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>>25366612
>Guy sends $200 red superchat expressing how cute and beautiful vtuber is, that they love and support her forever
"Huh? H-he's just playing along guys."

If vtubers ever cared about 'going too far' the first response to one of these should have been, "Wow dude, okay, calm down, I think that's a bit much. You can say that in chat but actually giving this much money? All this is just for fun, guys. Don't get carried away and make unwise financial decisions just because I'm a little too attractive, teehee. Tell you what, I'll refund it personally. In fact, I'll close SCs now. Let's just keep this lighthearted and playful. If you do just want to support me, liking, commenting and chatting are free but help me a lot!"

If you don't want to reject clearly parasocial monetary contributions, sure, but then don't turn around and pretend you were blissfully ignorant of why some people were dumping thousands on you, especially if they explicitly spell it out in the SC.

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>>25367911
Millie and Enna do it all the time, but this is still their job, no one is going to straight up start refusing money, you don't close the bar because you got a regular, I agree that GFE/BFE is shameless and exploitative, but if you're going to extend it to any kind of interaction than the whole entertainment industry is bad

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>>25367911
I'm confused by your position. Anon is arguing it's not all negative, but it sounds like you're implying even those that defend the good aspects of it are still hypocrites?

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>>25359689
> chinese fujos attack her coworker
> ALL OF MY FANS ARE LOSERS

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>>25368042
The point is that a single red (non-ARS) SC has long-crossed the line in terms of effort and parasocial strength more thoroughly than a dozen strongly-worded tweets, and yet funnily enough some vtubers happily receive and encourage the former but recoil at the latter. Don't tell people not to 'go too far with parasocial relationships' while you happily receive hundreds of dollars from them at a time. If you really cared about it, you would regularly engage smitten red SCs as they came seriously and warn them not to go too far, the same way any decent bartender would know if one of their regulars was drinking too much, stop them, and call for a ride back for them.

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>>25364565
I guess the /pyon/ schizos are desperately trying to make a meme, and spamming bunny pictures without any context is the best plan they have

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>>25368462
I understand why you think akasupas are unhealthy, but what if $100 is literally change to them?

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>>25359284
Indogs>Flips>Koreans>>>>>Bugs

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>>25367911
>>25368462
Summed up what I’ve been thinking better then I could’ve well done

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>>25368631
Where do Japanese fit on the scale?

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>>25359666
>trips 666
DEMON! HANA IS SATAN OF NIJI ID! They could have been so much more but she had to tank herself!

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>>25368462
I get your point, but is that in direct opposition to what Zea is saying in the OP?

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>>25366868
Yeah. Is a shame vox doesnt know how to do it in a healthy way

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Wow, it took an ID to have the most nuanced opinion on the whole thing. She has my respect and sub now.
>>25368662
Scattered among the first 3 listed but will always be higher than Koreans.

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>>25367996
>you don't close the bar because you got a regular
Bad analogy anon. Bars do refuse service from those who partake excessively. It is a common practice to prevent people from getting people too drunk (and some places would hold you legally liable for letting someone get too drunk if they drive and cause an accident).

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Is this Zea girl entertaining. This might be the first Niji i watch

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>>25368787
Don't act you're actually gonna watch her. 99% of this thread will probably never watch her again.

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>>25368856
Then you don't know me. Listen, I sit through fucking ARK streams...and I hate Ark. I was getting around to all of NijiID until...AnyColor took it down. Then it was nonstop back to back drama with holo's and nijiEN bullshit so I forgot where I left off.

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>>25368624
This is about the vtuber's response, and they have no way of knowing this; they should handle it as though this isn't the case. Even if that were the case, the person is still aware that this is an unusually amount to donate for a stream, and likely expects the vtuber to react to it and deliver him a correspondingly large amount of acknowledgement. That's still an unhealthy fixation going on right there.

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>>25366612
I'm just making fun of the comically obvious conclusion this woman made and the retards ITT thinking that it provides any value to the current hot topic, which it doesn't.

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>>25369033
Not them, but I respect her for having an informed opinion based on actual research

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>>25368369
>Shit nobody said

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>>25360719
What was the reaction when Kuzuha was heard raging at Apex in the background of Rindou’s ASMR stream?

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At what point in the size of a vtubers audience does it go from being social to parasocial?

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>>25359477

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>>25369586
it's innately parasocial, so 1 probably

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>>25359284
I was wondering why I never heard of ZEA even though I watch NijiJP, turns out she's formerly ID, the branch that I completely ignored mostly thanks to that whore Hana
I will now watch this based SEAwoman

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>>25363233
Let me spoon-feed you, retard
https://youtu.be/JNwJmgCowN4

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>>25369354

[Anonymous No.]

> this thread again

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>>25370433
Anonchama, at least photoshop the letters properly, this is just lazy

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>>25364363
>ignores argument
>doubles down
I used to look down on gachis/parasocials, but you retards made me realize, that they're way more coherent than you people will ever be

>>25363233
>I'm not gonna watch the stream and I'll just assume that I'm right
So this is how you delusional retards argue huh?

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>>25370433
PLEASE STEP ON ME MITO

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>>25367911
You mean like when someone donated Hana around $500 dollar in one go and she just close the donation after that to prevent more donation? Something like that?

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Good to know some vtubers are not complete idiots about aspects of their livilihood. The idiotic "parasocial is le bad!!" movement this week by so many vtubers was ill-informed.

The problem is not you thinking Vox is your boyfriend. It's you taking that thought and using it to threaten violence against other people or yourself.

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>>25359722
This stream was planned way before any of the "dramas", just a coincidence. She's also made a similar stream 2 years ago in ID. Plus it cites sources.

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>>25359722
You've never watched NijiID and it shows

[Anonymous No.]

I like Zea

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>>25370433
This template has seen a lot of use

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>>25371028
They're blaming misbehaving on parasocial, but it's just misbehaving which happens in any context.

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>>25371028
Every single thing that she said in this stream is something that I found out through about 20 minutes of Googling the subject the other day myself, and it honestly astounds me that people can be so uneducated and ill-informed about such a simple subject that they think it must be all le good or all le bad when they could easily spend 5 minutes actually looking up what "parasocial" means and realize why exactly they sound like an idiot for saying that.

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>>25374139
Me too anon. Zea's based.

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>>25370237
citing sources is my fetish, I am full mast right now for this ID

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>>25374774
That doesn't mean Zea's stream is poorly and lazily made, that just means that the people who unironically say "parasocial=bad" have such small brains that if they got brain-eating parasites those things would starve to death

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>>25374774
the point isn't to show some obscure knowledge
she tackled the subject of an ongoing drama by approaching it logically and properly doing her research to eventually support the "obvious" conclusion, that's enough for me

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>>25359284

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>>25374491
it's how I save all the NijiEN yabs

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>>25375086
I'm not saying that, Zea did a fantastic job of explaining it, I'm more just disappointed that something as simple as this needed an entire stream to explain what it is to people to begin with

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>>25374774
most people /here/ are just tired of western whore chuubas shitting on their audience, so obviously they're going to praise the one voice that speaks up for them, even if it's not really some university thesis level shit.

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>>25364797
Do you know what parasocial relationship is?

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>>25370237
She actually delivered citations. Glad I subbed last night.

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>>25369033
That wasn't what happened in the stream at all, she presented the data and talked about the positive and negative aspects of it, then she expressed her opinion, which is being ok with parasocial relationships if you keep it healthy, and said that she herself enjoy being emotionally attached to the content she consumes, you're the one trying to paint the stream in a bad light as if she tried to do some hot take but wanted to stay neutral

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>>25376332
On the land of retards you don't need to have 200IQ to be king. You just gotta be average.

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>>25368564
They're guinea pigs anon, not bunnies

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>>25369012
Good point, but what about the blank akas commonly given to holos? Are those people necessarily expecting a huge response worthy of their unhealthy obsession?

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>>25370237
Honestly I feel well-suited and mature enough to run the experiment everybody wants to see. What percentage of streamers and other media personalities develop parasocial bonds with their audience? However I am not really qualified to run such an experiment properly, and there are better uses of my time, but it's interesting. I don't know what I would use to measure attachment, other than opinion. Maybe if the streamer was getting up during their sleep to check chat's comments, or even to check for a specific chatter's comments. If any of you were to run this experiment, which questions would you try to answer? If you found that a streamer had an obsession with a particular fan, would you also ask that fan questions to determine the level of reciprocation? How would you avoid privacy concerns? If any of you are in a graduate program studying something relevant, say psychology or sociology, this might make a good thesis project for you.

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>>25380401
I suppose maybe it's a study not an experiment. But certain chat-streamer behaviors could be simulated and used in experimental data.

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>>25380401
>I am well suited
>doesn't even know what to do and where to start

[Anonymous No.]

This stream was great but I'm getting kind of annoyed by how easily /vt/ falls for manufactured narratives and strawmen.
The conversation about parasocial relationships that Zea and all the vtubers on Twitter are talking about is a completely different conversation compared to what's got people upset on this board. Nobody ever suggested you can't feel emotionally attached to a livestreamer's content. Pretty much any content creator can acknowledge being emotionally attached to their fans and fostering a similar relationship from their fans.

The issue comes when you let that attachment delude you into thinking the streamer owes you something or has a deeper relationship than they do. A commonly cited example would be paypigs getting mad at a streamer for having a boyfriend when it has 0 connection to their stream content and the streamer never ever suggested she'd date her viewers. You can totally appreciate Finana or Fauna or Pekora's content the same way you can be a fan of Hatsune Miku or a random anime character. You can even be emotionally attached to these characters and build a shrine of merch and figurines or go to conventions/concerts to show your support. But no one in their right mind would be upset that their anime waifu's voice actress is married.

The fact some people think being a fan of vtubers is somehow more intimate than being a fan of anime/game characters is where the issue comes in. I find it kind of ironic that /vt/ of all places seems to fall into this delusion that vtubers are "real people" and not just characters. Meanwhile back in the /jp/ days the entire appeal of vtubers back when Kizuna Ai or Kaguya Luna or Tsukino Mito were a big deal was that these people are simply characters no different from anime waifus but with more consistent and creative content than anime. It seems like somewhere along the line vtubing got invaded by people who want Twitch thots/camgirls and wish for vtubers to behave this way. For the fans of Japanese vtubers who were initially attracted to vtubing for the cute anime girls this is an entirely alien idea. I guess it's unsurprising given most of /vt/ came to enjoy vtubers when HoloMyth debuted, so most of them don't actually like anime/otaku stuff or care to separate the character from the person behind the mask. Nobody ever wanted to date the voice actor behind Kizuna Ai when she was exploding in popularity. The fact her identity was a secret and she marketed herself as an actual AI was precisely to avoid those types of people.

That said, it's fine if a vtuber wants to foster an intimate relationship with their viewers, as long as it's mutually agreed upon and reciprocated by both parties. An example of this would be Nene Amano from Kawaii or Yura Rikudou from Prism. They both behave very intimately with their viewers and provide tons of fanservice and GFE, because that's their goal for their content. Projecting those expectations onto all vtubers when most of them just want to entertain is what's wrong and why many vtubers are lashing out against their unwanted schizos.

Damn I really got carried away sorry to anyone bored enough to read my sleep deprived ramblings.

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>>25381012
You're based, correct and I'm screencapping this post for future threads

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>>25380937
I well-suited mean in terms of my history in dealing with celebrities and rich people. Maybe that would be better described as simply mature, though there is a certain degree of manners that is required when dealing with people of a high class so that they do not become uncomfortable.

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>>25381012
An interesting post sleep-deprived anon.
However, I must say that:

>The conversation about parasocial relationships that Zea and all the vtubers on Twitter are talking about is a completely different conversation

is not as clear cut as you seem to believe for some people. And I think some people did interpret Finana's tweet (which contained vague language) as a dismissal of the possibility of any kind of parasocial relationship. It doesn't help that twitter is not the place to have a place for nuanced and clear conversation.
What ZEA actually managed to do was to put all the things in perspective and tackle a subject that no other corp vtuber would talk about, at a time where everyone was being retarded and throwing shit at each other.
/vt/ falls for manufactured bullshit because there's a low bar of entry to post and it takes very little to derail a conversation. If you take that with vague tweets, it's a recipe for retarded fake drama.
ZEA's stream is an element that was needed for the baseline of the conversation. In fact, what you say is very close to what ZEA actually said herself.

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>>25381427
Well I fugged that post up, didn't I? ;)

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>>25381012
JPvtubers themselves engineered the current farm simp meta. Even before holo popularity explosion, ASMR was already circulating around, giving flirty response to donations was becoming norm. Your initial impression is correct because everyone uploaded videos, but once stream took place, it became a game on how to earn more.
Last straw attempt to maintain channels without relying on feeing otaku was karaoke. Last year it was common to have tons of them during weekends. That was a healthy take, but now everything is ASMR, and japs love to ask daily their chubas about when the next one is scheduled.

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>>25381521
*feeding

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>>25363300
Nijisanji isn't a hivemind. Unlike Hololive, the talents can actually think for themselves.

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>>25381805
Why pretend like you watch and know about Hololive

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>>25381947
It's the board culture to pretend you know about stuff you never watched

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>>25381012
I generally agree with you, however I do have some criticism. Anime is scripted, so that the actor playing the character is in character at all times. Vtubing is not done in this way -- in fact most of the time, the avatar only represents the actor, not the character. I would like to stress that different people are different before elaborating.

Some people become attached to the character, some others become attached to the actor, and some become attached to both. In the case of anime, the line is clearly drawn; there is almost no opportunity to become directly obsessed with the actor independent of the character, aside from their voice. As for vtubing, the combinations are confusing to some people such that they don't clearly define what it is that they are attaching themselves to.

The unhealthy attachment and viewer aggression that occurs when a vtuber does something outside of a certain viewer's expectations, is usually caused by the viewer becoming attached to: the character combined with the 2d avatar, or the actor combined with the 2d avatar. I would argue that the obsession is rooted in the avatar, and the other factors are minor by comparison, but that's not certain.

If you're attached to the avatar and you're conditioned to expect a certain kind of behavior from them, it can be unsettling to watch that same avatar say or do something completely out of character. It breaks the illusion. Of course, even people can become unsettling when this happens without even needing to embody an avatar; people commonly say "the mask slipped" when you see a person's true personality.

TL;DR a vtuber is made of an actor and an avatar-puppet. If the actor behaves in a way that defiles the puppet's established image, people have a right to feel uncomfortable.

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>>25381478
>And I think some people did interpret Finana's tweet (which contained vague language) as a dismissal of the possibility of any kind of parasocial relationship.
This only really applies if you've never watched Finana's content, which I realize most people probably don't. She does lots of fanservice content and remembers a lot of her viewers and paypigs by name. She just is very clear that there's a line between being a viewer and being intimate with her. Reminder this girl recently was seen playing off-stream with her viewers in Valorant for example, but even then she never suggested she'd date her fans. In many of her streams she's said she stalks her fan discord and watches her viewers' livestreams privately and often talks about them on stream to be supportive. For her being a vtuber is about fostering a community of friends, not being a surrogate girlfriend. That's still absolutely a parasocial relationship, and she worded it poorly, but as you said:
>It doesn't help that twitter is not the place to have a place for nuanced and clear conversation.
Yeah, Finana isn't gonna write a twitlonger explaining her position so it's easy to take out of context. She's just a dumb zoomer who doesn't understand the need for nuance even though her viewers understood what she was trying to say. This is very common on Twitter where some small scale creator or internet celebrity will say something vague or seemingly inflammatory and get tons of casual drama-addicted internet people piling onto them without any nuance or proper context.

>What ZEA actually managed to do was to put all the things in perspective and tackle a subject that no other corp vtuber would talk about, at a time where everyone was being retarded and throwing shit at each other.
Genuinely I really appreciated ZEA's position on this topic, she was very levelheaded about it and gave it the proper attention the subject couldn't receive from Twitter.

>>25381521
>JPvtubers themselves engineered the current farm simp meta. Even before holo popularity explosion, ASMR was already circulating around, giving flirty response to donations was becoming norm.
This is true, but JP vtubers didn't exist as a hivemind and they also aren't in a vacuum. They adapted to doing GFE content because girls like Kizuna Ai and Tsukino Mito already cornered the market as "entertainers" and turned vtubing into a fad. After that a bunch of NND/Twitcast camgirls popped into vtubing and brought along their ASMR style content because it's what they were good at. People act like EN vtubers are all camwhores and JP vtubers are all pure waifus, but the reality is girls like Rushia and Lamy and Noel were always exactly the same as the women on Twitch, they just adopted a vtuber avatar to farm butas.

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>>25381012
Here's the thing about Kizuna specifically: she is the closest to being "just a character", but fans still had an absolute meltdown over the Kizuna clones and fears she would be replaced. So even from the beginning there has never been a total separation of the character and the person behind them the way there is with anime characters, there is always some connection and attachment due to the nature of the medium, and this only picked up as we moved into the livestreaming era.

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>>25382242
My point is that you are painting west chubas and fans as the bad seed when the reverse is also true and more tragic. Right now is rare to find a channel without ASRM, some of them regret it and erase the archive but is still in their twitter log, and is not because they want. As said, japs themselves are really insistent on this matter, it has reached the point that is unavoidable for them to address this topic and in general give in.

[Anonymous No.]

Why yes, I have never watched Zea Cornelia before, and I likely won't watch her in the future.
However, I believe she tackled this complex subject quite well, and I especially appreciate that she cited her sources.

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>>25381012
I think from reading the tweet responses from Finana's twitter, especially those in response to that one guy who said something like "the nature of vtubers is built off of parasocial relationships" or something and how completely dismissive and defensive everyone got, as well as /vt/'s reaction to Finana's tweet and how in particular the overall response was not to say something like "What the fuck are you talking about Finana, EVERYTHING you do is parasocial" but instead to home in on GFE content in particular as a sign of hypocrisy, as if implicating that GFE content defines what parasocial is, shows that many people in this community have a lack of fundamental understanding of what exactly parasocial relationships and interactions are, and that needed to be clarified in some way.
It's completely separate from the ACTUAL topic which Finana's tweet was made about, about people's behavior and conduct in response to things the streamer does that they don't like, but this entire debate could've been avoided if Finana wasn't retarded and used a more specific term rather than something vague like "parasocial fucks" which could mean anything. That's all. The fact that these Finana bait threads and the topic shifted to talk about what's parasocial or not is not something that should have ever happened in this situation, but poor word choices made it happen, so she should just be more careful about how she words things in the future.

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>>25382422
It's the same reason that people can become uncomfortable when a new actor takes over a role. Usually this happens because the original actor got into some legal trouble, but it can also happen simply by aging. A decent example is James Bond. But a better example is any TV series where an actor is replaced while the same story is being told. One of the better examples is The Matrix trilogy; the original actress for the Oracle died, and the new Oracle's appearance was actually written into the story to make the actress change less unsettling. Another example is River Where The Moon Rises, a recent Kdrama. The main male protagonist (and titular character) had an actor swap early in the series due to a scandal related to the original actor. The nature of acting is such that you can't really portray a character without an actor behind them, and the same is obviously true for vtubing. It's really a new way to experience this though because vtubers have the option of portraying their character or themselves. And "themselves" may also include additional layers which people call masks in real life.

[Anonymous No.]

I have watched Zea Cornelia's video presentation of Parasocial Relationships and I will interpret her presentation as GFE-material for it satisfy my criteria as Girlfriend Material. I will now imagine you as my girlfriend everytime you are discussing topics I am deeply interested in for it is always something I deeply yearn for a significant other. As you stated, I may not have control over you as we are in a Parasocial Relationship but you also have no control over my me and my interpretation of your content, as much as your disapproval.

Sorry Zea. You wish for a healthy PSR between me and you but alas, it only made my criteria for finding a significant other an equivalent or greater than yourself which may or may not help me in my current standing.

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>>25382047
I actually really agree with most of your assessment, it all really depends on the vtuber and how they build their community as far as expectations. If someone like Rosemi or Mori or Fubuki turns out to have a boyfriend I don't know why fans would be upset about it, as their content has never been GFE or emotionally manipulative. They've never ever indicated that they're anything more than an actor playing a character. Meanwhile it's actually understandable that some people got upset at Rushia when the initial allegations came up, because she was leading people on and built a career out of being an emotional girlfriend. Not because they thought she would ever date them in real life, but because they had developed a transactional relationship with her where she promised to give them love and they promised to give her money. When butas feel their GFE chuuba broke that contract naturally they would be hurt.

However I would go further and say that these one-sided GFE relationships are actually predatory and harmful to both vtubing and the victimized butas. I don't think anyone would argue that being in love with a camgirl or Twitch streamer is not predatory, but when it comes to vtubers people seem to be blinded by the cuteness of anime girls. That's not to say a vtuber cannot be GFE, but it's a very delicate line between GFE(simply providing fanservice and being emotionally intimate with viewers) and what some streamers do where they demand emotional loyalty from their viewers like it's a fucking cult. People used to praise Rushia for stalking her fans and melting down when they watched other girls for example. Many would just call this her vtuber kayfabe, but in many ways preventing your viewers from watching other streamers or exercising agency in their consumption of entertainment goes beyond the line of just providing a service. It leads the most lonely and vulnerable fans down a spiral of emotional dependence while seeking to isolate them while simultaneously draining their money, literally the same shit cults and MLM's do.

I'm kinda glad certain types of parasocial relationships are getting pushback from the vtuber scene. Even if Finana's words were retarded there's something to be said that it's unhealthy to be so emotionally attached to a streamer that your happiness is directly connected with knowing the intimate details of a livestreamer's personal life. It's just something you should take a step back and reassess your situation if you ever find yourself in that kind of relationship, because there is no "good end" realistically. The best case is your oshi graduates and you simply move on to another GFE chuuba. The worst case is she drains you of all your money and then you kill yourself when she betrays your feelings by having a boyfriend or something. There is no situation where your oshi will ever date you, and even if by some miracle there was, what are the odds she chooses you and not any of her other hundreds/thousands of fans? Would you not feel just as terrible if you lost to another fan? There's just no mentally healthy way to be in love with a livestreamer in real life. Slightly ironic that the original subject was about women being overly emotionally attached to a male livestreamer when men are usually the ones victimized by this sort of content.

On that front I'd say a lot of the criticism is deserved and it's not wrong to discourage people from forming those relationships with a vtuber. Not because they're normies trying to ruin your happiness but because it's just inherently bad for a society when men are being emotionally abused like this on a massive scale. This is totally different from schizo fans projecting undeserved expectations onto a normal streamer, it's the other side of the coin where the streamer is the one exploiting viewers. That kind of thing is just as harmful and probably why a lot of vtubers are upset that many fans think all their content should be like those bad apples.

>>25382858
I completely agree with you, I never suggested western chuubas are bad seeds. Quite the opposite, vtubers in the west and Japan are largely very similar. ASMR content arose due to camgirls joining the vtuber sphere in Japan and it's never really recovered. That's kinda why Japanese viewers are so in love with Salome lately, because she goes completely against that kind of content and returns things back to the roots of vtubing as just an entertainer and adhering to a strict kayfabe.

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>>25383354
Yeah, there is definitely precedent for this elsewhere, but the difference is with Vtubers the fans rebel if you try it. What happened with Kizuna is the company eventually backed down, got rid of the clones, and left just Ai-chan. The whole thing caused them to recline massively and eventually Kizuna retired because she (understandably) wanted to do other things with her life. The story was similar with gamebu and every other time replacing the people behind the Vtubers has been tried. In normal media, maybe some people complain but eventually everyone accepts it or leaves, but for Vtubers it is just complete no-go territory.
So, you can say "they are just characters and completely separate from the person", but well, fans don't see it that way. This has bad sides and good sides for the talent, gachikoi fans will try to police your interactions and love life, on the other hand you can never be replaced by your corpo. And it's probably going to stay this way, whether anyone likes it or not.

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>>25359284
What's wrong with raising up random girls right back?
We've got too many boys about to get hurt with all the Globalist New World Order to vanquish.

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>>25377797
Nigga I don't care how many hours she spent reading wikipedia any 2 digits ape can do that, what I'm laughing at is her CONCLUSION which is meaningless to any cognizant person.
>you're the one trying to paint the stream in a bad light as if she tried to do some hot take.
I don't know where you are getting this from but if you honestly believe that wasn't her intention when TALKING ABOUT THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC at the moment and she just randomly decided to talk about this topic then you are naive or just fucking stupid.

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>>25385777
rent free

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25385777
You already posted the same shitty meme in some other thread, just fuck off and go back to plebbit, you don't even deserve a (You)

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>>25384414
>In normal media, maybe some people complain but eventually everyone accepts it or leaves, but for Vtubers it is just complete no-go territory.
>So, you can say "they are just characters and completely separate from the person", but well, fans don't see it that way.
Right... I sort of meant this too. No two James Bonds are the same, and two actors interpret the same character differently.

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>>25385623
What is your interpretation of her conclusion, since you seem so well versed on it? If you think she ended it as a fencesitter, you could not be more wrong.

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Stream Night Fever!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF4rteXN57w

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>>25385623
She did receive a maro from someone asking her to talk about parasocial relationships in a stream(which she responded positively to) a few days before the whole drama started, so it's possibly a coincidence. She has talked about this topic in earlier streams too so she has some personal interest in it as well.

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>>25384169
Sure, it may be morally wrong for Rushia to take it to the level of a cult leader. But should we really be policing these relationships? Isn't it up to the individual to delude themselves as much as they want? In America at least, cults exist in a legal gray area. They are lawful as long as their activities remain lawful.

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>>25386069
I don't know when she received that Maro. The events I know of that are relevant are (USA times/dates): Vox's ASMR stream x Reimu (and subsequent fan backlash): May 29th. Zea's weekly schedule published with PSR talk planned: May 30th/31st. Finana's L + ratio tweet: May 31. Zea's PSR stream: June 1/2.

I do find it interesting and coincidental that a maro was sent to Zea before the Vox event.

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>>25386113
I don't think cults existing in a legal grey area is a good thing though. It's mostly a consequence of the first amendment that no one is willing to challenge because the other things it provides are worth overlooking that flaw. That doesn't mean people can't raise awareness against cults in their community and make it clear that they are unwelcome.

I don't think you can ever push findom streamers out of livestreaming, or even out of vtubing, but it's still worthwhile to warn people about their dangers and make clear that they don't represent vtubing as a whole. It's understandable that vtubers get upset when their content is being compared to someone who is just farming paypigs for money. Many of them put a lot of effort into their streams and take offense to the idea some fans only see them as a virtual girlfriend.

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>>25386304
Well, to satisfy your interest, here's the link to the tweet with the maro, which was sent on the 25th of May
https://twitter.com/ZEA_Cornelia/status/1529418066173435904

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>>25386427
Nice! I'm happy she still did it even after the Vox event.

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>>25386329
It can also be difficult to define what exactly a group has to have to be considered a cult. I suppose it's impossible to distinguish some cults from regular social gatherings, so to criminalize them would be to criminalize social behavior, or make it more risky as most people wouldn't be able to make that distinction for themselves (see Finana's tweet). Most churches I've been to have been very cultlike, and I would argue they are even just as financially exploitative as Rushia, for some of that church's paypigs. Especially in the case of TV churches, but even just at the local level. There Will Be Blood explains this pretty well, though it's not a major focus.

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>>25386677
It was also pretty surprising to me that she did it, as she is the type of person who tries to avoid controversy as much as possible. Could say the timing was (un)fortunate in this case, depending on how you look at it.

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>>25386329
>Many of them put a lot of effort into their streams and take offense to the idea some fans only see them as a virtual girlfriend.
Name 3

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>>25387683
Pomu Rainpuff, Amiya Aranha, Akai Haato.

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>>25359477
Bro I've always been subbed to every niji's but she's making it real hard to keep that trend up...

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>>25387948
>Akai Haato
kek

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>>25388152
Regardless of how lazy she's been the past year due to university she used to put a lot of effort in creating fun content and used to be a pillar of Hololive when she was doing weird creative streams.

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>>25388219
Cool, but when she took offense at fans seeing her as their girlfriend?

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>>25388152
>No mainstream vtuber is as creative as Haachama. Come back when you see someone creating a series of pseudo-ARG story-oriented streams that lasted for months, messing with the viewers' psyche by bringing in another person that cannot be seen or heard without explaining anything, have several entirely silent streams be entertaining and confusing the shit out of everybody at the same time, creating lore so complex that even Japanese autists are writing pages-long blog posts trying to explain it, utilizing her lore to create kino multi-person scenarios by herself even in collabs, and literally reinventing her entire lore to the point where Cover is forced to officially acknowledge it.
https://note.com/astron_virtual/n/nfde5a3bb6688
https://hololivesuperexpo.hololivepro.com/news/220415-enreport1/

Do newfags really not know what Haachama has accomplished?

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>>25359284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsNUHUtNTak&t=941s
Same kind of video as this other girl getting posted around yesterday.

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>>25388834
I'm starting to suspect that one of Terumi's discordfags is shilling her in a desperate attempt to boost her channel. This is the third time this week someone links this video.

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>>25388834
Terumi is a whore though

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>>25388990
It's Terumi shilling herself. She was always open about the fact she posts and reads 4chan obsessively. She also used to post a lot on /asp/ giving people advice on auditions.

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>>25388834
I really can't care at all for her voice. There are many many other options that don't require me to look past her voice. Unfortunate, but this is a competition.

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>>25362699
once his ancient enemies are defeated

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>>25388834
All I know about Terumi is when the Rushia shit went down, her response was to start trying to groom her biggest paypig ORCA-kun
Terumi seems fake as fuck to me

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>>25389295
It's the other extreme. She's drowned in the idol kool aid for so long that she actually believes this is healthy

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>>25389427
It is. If you don't like idol culture then fuck off and die.

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>>25389427
lol if you actually believe this. She's just a SEAmonkey that sees men as something to be exploited and relationships as inherently transactional. Women like Terumi are the ones you have to watch out for, they'll ruin you for their own gain.

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>>25389533
ogey terumi, now go back to your discordniggers

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>>25389575
No, >>25389427 is right. I've been watching Terumi for a while and I got the exact same impression

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>>25389614
If you knew anything about her previous life, you'd know that this entire idol shit she's doing is absolutely a facade

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>>25389799
People change over time. The simplest explanation is the most likely one

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>>25389799
Don't care.
As long as she doesn't break the rules of the game of pretend then it's cool in my book.

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>>25389995
She did break the rules by not doing her opsec. She's a whore, not an idol, case closed.
You can still like her, just don't pretend she's this pure idol.

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>>25390107
Guess that makes every Vtuber whose roommate identity you know a whore then.

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>>25390202
https://youtu.be/iFSR_b17rJ0
No just those who posted nudes and failed to do even the most basic of opsec. Keep coping Terumi, you'll never be an idol, you're a just whore.

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>>25390288
>Moving the goalpost
I accept your concession.

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>>25390202
Knowing her roommate doesn't make her a whore. Posting tits on /soc/ does.

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>>25390202
nta but Terumi's roommate is an actual whore that would regularly post her tits on /r9k/ and /soc/ and constantly got involved in discord drama with random simps. that's completely different from the average vtuber.

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>>25390308
Keep on coping, Terumi. You're a whore. Always have been, always will be.

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>But but I can just go back to before I whored myself! I'm still pure at heart! I'm a pure idol!
No.

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>>25390536
Exactly.
Hold your audience at some distance, no one will complain. You want to engage in their desires for you? Go ahead. But don't cross the line back and forth while expecting everyone to keep up with your whims.