I don't love you, but please keep donating :)

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/LutoAraka/status/1531785617863888896
Looks like more and more western whores are catching up on this new trend. Are they right? Did their "parasocial" fans really go too far, asking to be loved for all the money they sent them?
Or is this the beginning of downfall of western vtubing?

[Anonymous No.]

we put a roof over your head and give you money to buy things you want, the least you western whores can do is say thank you and not act like bitches, I would never give tips to these girls if they were waiters

[Anonymous No.]

lmao 2views getting uppity now

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Woman and being entitled
Iconic duo

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
...... you don't have to be so blunt......

[Anonymous No.]

Come home, weeb man.

[Anonymous No.]

why can they never say anything that would be somewhat reasonable in these kinds of situations
even fleshtubers arent this inflammatory with their own fanbases

[Anonymous No.]

"Give vtubers outside of hololive a chance" they said

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
yay, slay queen!1!

[Anonymous No.]

The reason this shit is getting more and more out there
is cause these idiots THINK they never did anything to create parasocials
is not hard to find clips of them saying they love the chat, oversharing with intimate topics and so on

[Anonymous No.]

>man does something
>women follows suit acting like they've thought this all along
disgusting

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
based

[Anonymous No.]

why do they act like entitled bitches? God what the fuck did we do to make people like this successful? Is this the twilight zone or some shit?

[Anonymous No.]

Good this way I know the ones to avoid, is okay if you don't want parasocial fans but these "Yaaaass slay queen" tweets are a huge red flag

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303018
>is cause these idiots THINK they never did anything to create parasocials
This isn't true. They know that they're baiting parasocials in, they just pretend not to because they know if they play innocent their fans will defend literally anything they do

[Anonymous No.]

Why do they think people donate? This is like pornstarts telling their fans that masturbation is sin

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303018
People aren't supposed to actually believe it though. She was right.

[Anonymous No.]

desperate and creepy weebs getting stomped left and right

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
No they just want free money for existing.

In Luto's case though she thinks she's a hotshot software engineer (in training/education) and only vtubes for fun.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NLw-SDzfXM

She predicted this

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
we just want a thank you man...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303151
Doesn't matters is she was right; it doesn't changes the fact that people who want to believe it are the ones keeping the industry afloat.
Normal people are greychads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303197
>>25303151
They hated her because she told them the truth...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303140
More like drug dealers complaining about addicts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303116
>>25303018
There's literally nothing different between this and leading guys on for free lunches. I remember there was a discussion once where many anons were obviously women and were extremely offended when they were told to just -not- accept gifts given by people who were obviously interested in them romantically if they had no intention of dating them. Women just want shit for free and none of the consequences, ever and think they should get that because they've gotten everything else. Things are going to collapse so hard and fuck everyone else over it's unbelievable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303197
based chingchong

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303197
i belib

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303246
Not true at all. This is like saying pro gamers keep the industry afloat when casuals actually spend more money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
I mean, Luto never behaved like a gfe tuber anyway

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTc-ydO0Bro

you can't escape the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303151
The subtext of Artia's DYRB speech wasn't 'you aren't supposed to believe it', it was 'she's LYING to you, dumbass'. It wasn't advice, it was a warning, albeit one worded carefully to avoid stepping on any toes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303113
Vtubing is something like nfts right now. A lot of retarded people are making money off a trend and when the trend passes a lot of these hos who have burnt bridges will find themselves suddenly working as strippers or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303140
>>25303270
>try to make a point by comparing youtube funny men to drug dealers and porn stars
Yikes

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303177
>she's a hotshot software engineer
>a woman
lol
lmao even

[Anonymous No.]

>I can't relate but since is the drama of the moment maybe I can get some free subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
What is the purpose of this tweet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303319
>retard believes Candy Crush somehow kept the gaming industry afloat
use your brain

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303333
Not every vtuber can be as based as the retarded onis

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303197
>Lyrica
HOLY SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

I feel bad for Nachomama most of her daughters are fucking drama whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303197
she is right, but the difference from her and OP whore is picrel, that whore doesn't even appreciate the people that dono

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303369
Whats the problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Wasnt prismproject the ones that unironically whored out their livers for dates?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303197
bros... i want to go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303140
> drug analogy
fucking american holobronies

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Thanks for reminding me I was still subbed to her, fixed that. Haven't watched her in a long time anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303116
Anon not every chuuba is a mastermind manipulator, sometimes they are just fucking dumb and have no concept of what their mundane actions create

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303319
Anon casual keep shit all afloat, even game like candy crush is paid for by whale

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303319
he is right and you know, healthy people like me use their prime or spend max 10$ in 2 subs, no "normal" person that is not connected in any wa to the streamer drops 500 subs a month

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303558
>porn is a drug
seems like eurabians are not much more intelligent

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
CATCH ME OUTSIDE HOW BOUT DAT

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303018
Saying they love their chat doesn't mean they love you in that manner or that they are leading people on. That's your fault for being a loser falling for fake hooks because you're a desperate loser

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303624
>porn is a drug
it may as well be

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit Vtuber are declining

time to abolish /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303558
Retarded SEAmonkey can't even reply to the right person....

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303604
hanlon's razor

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303410
Luto is just a shitposter, you're misreading her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303695
ok mohammed

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
>I don't love you
Boring. Tell me you hate me

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Why do western entertainers hate their audience?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303328
What she saying is reatard though, all streamers are parasocial, why the fuck do you think why react contents are so popular

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303534
.......no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303698
Back to /o/ I go...I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303736
jerking off is a drug

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303736
ok coomer

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303290
Anon your statement applies equally to males just the same. Surprise surprise! Humans love to get shit for free and don't want to work for things. If you give someone something for free but expect something in return that makes you a piece of shit and it's not really "free" then. No ome has an obligation to return gifts given to them and it doesn't make you a bad person for not doing so

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303625
Yes but the "normal" people that spend small heavily outnumber the whales.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303741
soviet psyops

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303534
No, but every second girl there has a boyfriend. And some don't even see a problem with telling their fans how they whored themselves out. Cuckproject is not a meme...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303438
You do realize the example you gave is one of the largest and most profitable games in human history

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303712
anon, he doesn't care he just wants yous

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303830
that logic worked out well for your sand countries
>>25303843
dilate, groomer

[Anonymous No.]

She's Australian, please understand. Unless another anon can provide context, I assume this was a shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303736
the term "porn addict" doesn't exist for nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303768
Hmm which one was it then I remember an image going around showing their prices for shit like hand written letters and discord movie dates most nobody corpos tend to all run together at this point for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303290
There's still some that play the act well in the EN sphere. There's a reason a large majority of viewership for these women is males in their 20's and 30's and the anime avatar doesn't do much to obfuscate that, it jusy makes it easier for the women on the other side to sucker people in because they now don't have to worry about how they look or what their room they stream from looks like.
I'm fine with it because I honestly think it does lower their gaurds a little bit in terms of how 'open' they'll be with the chat because they're one step removed, even if it's easy to find pictures of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
The para-socialists first and biggest mistake was believing that love is transactional.

[Anonymous No.]

2 years from now, the only Vtuber content will be ASMR and chat will be disabled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303915
ok coomer

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303854
OOOOOFFFFF this is a woman post. I already filtered all responses to my post so kys and don't bother menstrual posting on me

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303882
So is Monopoly

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303914
Taking the piss out of who? NijiEN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303264
No, they hated her because she backstabbed the only girl who acknowledged her. She has a point on that clip tho

[Anonymous No.]

who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303246
Literal delusion from a retard who thinks hes the most important part of the industry. Most the money for the girls is going to come from people who aren't looking at them in that manner. Unicorns and parasocialfags are only a small portion of the big audience of people who give them money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
this retard might have a point but she has 0 tact, just like Feesh yesterday with her stupid tweet that's more about owning imaginary trolls
they've also never heard about biting the hand that feeds you

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303952
I don't think they think love is transaction, I think it's more along the lines that this is an easy way to fill that hole they feel because they aren't in a relationship. You can control this fake relationship, turn off the screen whenever you've had your fill or get annoyed, ger cute reactions by chatting a lot in their chats or sending them money, and it fills that need to be noticed and 'loved' by the gender you're attracted to. No need to actually put yourself out there, sacrafice your time when you don't want to, or deal with the drama and negatives that can come from an actual relationship. Obviously some still take it extremely far and ignore a few of those, but for the most part the average parasocial is doing it because it's easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303854
I agree. It also makes you a piece of shit for taking something that you believe isn't really being given for free. Just because he's an asshole with alternate motives doesn't mean you aren't one either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303854
You didn't have to make it obvious you're a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303983
Literally cope anon because I'm not a female. People who disagree with your mental illusions and victim complex aren't women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303985
You fucking witch!

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303934
something way smaller than prism, shit had like 400 subs i know what image youre on

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303952
They'd be correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Monetizing social interaction is always going to have problems. When they monetize the experience of affection they do so even if they don't name it. By naming it what it is they would ruin the fantasy and also cut the revenue. Those with any sense reject their fans after they have already become big. Those with ethics and no sense will reject monetized parasocial interactions from the start. They wont become popular enough to get noticed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303985
Source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304216
So you admit to being a tranny understood

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302705
Nips are the same or worse in private but you don't hear about it because of Honne and tatemae
slightly better until their real opinions get leaked

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303934
It was Cyberlive, which doesn't even exist anymore as a company

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304244
Yeah see glad I'm not the only one who remembers this shit I just don't remember which small corpos it was and assumed it was prism lmao

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303854
>ome has an obligation to return gifts
is true but all gifts come with an "obbigation" is called the "cycle of gifting", usually you gift to a loved one, obviously you don't have really an interest behind it, but the loved one receiving the gift wants to reciprocate it, if for example is your birthday and you don't receive any gifts from your loved ones you would feel bad and this can sour relations, the gifts come with obbligations regarding "value" too, if a random donates to you a car, you would feel indebted to him, if your loved one gifts you a cheap ring, you would feel offended by it, since it's value is not comparable to the relation. So the "gift" code has a lot of unwritten rules, and yeah you receive gifts and don't give nothing in exchange, this doesn't make you a bad person, but if you go out of your way to shit on them then yeah you are a bad person

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304185
>>25303854
This is literally the same discussion that was had before and it's once again obvious that women don't understand that they're soulless cunts.
>no but it's free!
A romantic gift is NOT free, it is literally being given as courtship which is why you DON'T accept it if you aren't serious. This is not hard but it's clear islam was right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304216
You are clearly a woman because only women think in those terms, you aren't clever and you don't understand anything about men because you have no empathy while having bottomless greed.

[Anonymous No.]

> So you admit to being a tranny understood

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304185
Anon, unless you are explicitily stating something needs to be given in return you are giving it for free. You can't give a gift and act offend when th reciever doesn't give something in return or read whatever your intentions are. Most people probably aren't even going to aware you are giving something with a romantic reasons in the first place. You are merely projecting that people understand your intentions.

You don't get to give out conditional gifts. Its either for free or something that has clearly stated goals and intentions someone verbally agrees to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304335
Ahhh Thank you anon! I really can't keep track of small corpos the only two I really keep up with is Kawaii and Phase becuase of Uruka

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Uhh I thought small corpos were the way to go? Why is this insignificant bug acting high and mighty?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303854
broke bitches who whore out for free food think like this, you are supposed to return the favor with a gift or just not accept it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304484
Struck a nerve rumao

[Anonymous No.]

> You are clearly a woman because only women think in those terms, you aren't clever and you don't understand anything about men because you have no empathy while having bottomless greed.

[Anonymous No.]

>wojaks
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304216
Turns out almost every time there's a 'friendship' between a heterosexual man and woman, one of them wants to get with the other and they are constantly trying to impress the one they want to get with. Just like we go on dates to see if we want to hook up with someone. The thing is that it's a lot easier for women to financially manipulate men because of social stigma and the 'inherent value of pussy'. The same can be said for men, but their 'upper hand' is usually physical which comes out.much nastier than a $40 lunch bill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Come home

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Correction. It's the downfall of all western Vtuber with the exception of Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304569
I price pussy at a going rate of 8.95$ or whatever a Big Mac costs

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304125
Im a greychad tho. Do you have any argument besides seething and wishful thinking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304511
>give a homeless person $5
>he starts trying to suck your dick
I guess you would allow it since it's repayment for your donation right? Sometimes a donation is just a donation.

[Anonymous No.]

>posting wojaks

[Anonymous No.]

> Turns out almost every time there's a 'friendship' between a heterosexual man and woman, one of them wants to get with the other and they are constantly trying to impress the one they want to get with. Just like we go on dates to see if we want to hook up with someone. The thing is that it's a lot easier for women to financially manipulate men because of social stigma and the 'inherent value of pussy'. The same can be said for men, but their 'upper hand' is usually physical which comes out.much nastier than a $40 lunch bill

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303197
LYRICA KEK

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304673
You mean you wouldn't? Faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304601
She probably tried at least for Council but you rejected her

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304216
>>25304484
>>25304542
>woman posting wojaks
gee, you must be a 6/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304446
>all males think the same as me
Anon, YOU are the one who doesn't understand how people think or feel.

I'm not too sure why I'm bothering to reply. People like you are honest to god brick walls with your heads so far up your ass you can no longer see reality. Retarded victim complexa projecting your twisted opinions on other people

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, and speaking about Prism, while you're here, check out Iku, she's live right now!
She is doing GFE, moderately yuribaits and actually appreciates her fans, unlike Luto.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CVtF90gp8E

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304486
not really in the conversation or at one side, but I think you're taking the hypotetical too much in a vacuum.
a lot of the time people don't gift random things to friends outside of certain circumstances, especially outside of a certain range of cost.
or at least it is difficoult for me to imagine someone randomly taking outside a friend for dinner with gift at the end or something like that, which I think is the kind of things the other anons are saying

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304673
not all homelos are homos

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304737
>doing GFE, moderately yuribaits
Sounds like shit. Pick one or the other.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304673
You do realize most people when they talk about this are talking about going out on a date, right? Again the issue is that society has built it into every interaction that the man has to pay for the meal and lots of guys have been taught that it's 'the right thing to do'. They just have to stop paying for the full meal out of pride and it would crush a lot of this retarded shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304723
Its a literal who 0view from twitch that only knows about 4chan because their png. Chuuba got posted in a thread shitting on twitchfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304673
holy shit you don't know the difference between charity and a gift? broke ass bitch i bet some dude gifted you your phone

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303470
I love this hag

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304771
Anon, don't you wanna fuck your oshi in front of the girl she has a crush on, turning her completely straight with your dick? GFE and yuribaiting are a great mix.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304737
>>25302462
Are those vtubers who do GFE have actual experience as GF?
Does it mean none of them are virgin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303470
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304395
Gifts don't come with any obligation. The idea that they do already shows you are a piece of shit. They are called gifts for a reason. It's because they are free and have no strings attached. If you give a gift with strings attached its no longer a gift, especially if those strings are unexplained and not stated. You give gifts in return not because of an obligation but because its a nice thing to do and because you are about the person so you want to return the feeling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303871
all those boyfriends are me btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304125
factually wrong, see for example, veibae for a big twitch vtuber (ironmouse is the same but numbers are screwed by the subathon), like 30% of her subs are gifted subs, and I assure you that the ones that gift a lot of subs aren't the ones that are "normal", and the smaller is the streamer the more important the "parasocial" viewers are

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303018
>THINK they never did anything to create parasocials
I hope you're not taking about vox. making streams such as "bf roleplay" ASMR is not unintentional

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304739
But people do that all the time? I've taken a friend out and given them a gift as well before myself. There is many reasons people might do this but it'll normally.be becausr you care about them and appreciate them. This again points to the fact you are assuming people understand your intentions and projecting that you think your actions indicate certain intentions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304973
Or the dipshit that pulls stuff like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304737
>Iku is doing GFE
Anon she's literally gay, and friendzoned her viewers before, dont hype them up...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304673
retarded example
>give a homeless person $5
>he says thank you, and then start to laugh at you, open his phone and make a tweet abut how much of a stupid faggot parasocial you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304950
Gifting subs is a normal twitch culture thing, retard. It has nothing to do with parasocial shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305069
Nigger, shut the fuck up and help me shill them

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303018
>is cause these idiots THINK they never did anything to create parasocials
this
vox is specially guilty of grooming his chat, and Finana is just a hypocrite

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305106
Shill the right ones then

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305065
exactly. they don't hate parasocial relationships, they hate the retards too deep in it when they get mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305134
I will never shill Meno

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
A lot of these vtubers so anxious to shit on their fans are just fucking losers themselves pretending real hard that they're not because they think they have some drop of power or influence over a couple strangers.

In reality it makes zero fucking sense to make this some kind of stand or pretend like it's some social justice movement type shit. Like, say you just saw the latest Spiderman movie. Tom Holland doesn't go around telling people after the movie "You liked it? You liked my acting? Well guess what, I'm not ACTUALLY Spiderman guys, jeez you are fucking parasocial losers for thinking I was cool in that movie and haha you're all such losers because you paid $10 to see me do that" etc because - that'd be fucking ridiculous. Vtubers are doing this now by playing as a friendly streamer for months/years being cute and cozy with chat etc and then going "hahaha you guys actually liked that? looosers" etc. They only prove how much they don't actually belong behind that avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305065
I kneel to Finana for being so openly two-faced and unappreciative and still managing to keep her paypigs licking her boots

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305101
You know what else is normal twitch culture? ethots baiting thirsty losers out of their money. Gee I wonder if there is another group of streamers targeting the same audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305174
I'm not Ryan...

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303657
>doesn't mean they love you in that manner
words have meanings, unless intentions are made clear people will choose what this "love you" means

majority never address this shit and just hope things never escalate
and inhale massive amounts of copium with the illusion they never created those parasocials and their fanbase is a healthy happy community

It had to get to death threats for the chinkslut to truly say something

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304486
Fine, it's a hypothetical after all. All people in the world are naive with zero life experience or intuition, who would never realize someone was trying to curry favor with them. As long as it's understood that if they DID understand they're shit people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304391
>zhangs attack nijiEN
>somehow this has anything to do with hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303760
Pretty much this, even big streamers who denounce the parasocial say that their reaction content is like watching a video with a homie and that it is ok, bunch of hypocrites, if you're not a gf simulator you're a friend simulator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305024
>This again points to the fact YOU
I literally said I'm not into the conversation...
maybe it's my country then, I don't know, but I never heard of that.
small gifts? sure, but random "dates" with gifts only in special occasions like birthdays or important achievements or maybe if you're really, really close friends, other than that at least here a lot of people at elast here would think it's trying to shoot your shots

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305199
No one is going to disagree about twitch chuubers beings ethots much less peole.like vei. You aren't making a goid point

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303929
you don't just get addicted to drugs anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303197
>she predicted this
>what every normalfag thinks of vtubing as a whole
I'm tired of you social rejects praising chuubas for giving you a very common opinion among normal people

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305302
Slipped and fell on a needle full of heroine when I tried to pull it out accidentally pushed the plunger down I did this twice and now I'm an addict

[Anonymous No.]

lmao being able to interact with the chuubas is the only reason why people watch 2views instead of big corpos. They're digging their own grave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305328
No one /here/ cares what normal people have to say you autistic fuck thats why we like chuubas

[Anonymous No.]

> A lot of these vtubers so anxious to shit on their fans are just fucking losers themselves pretending real hard that they're not because they think they have some drop of power or influence over a couple strangers.

> In reality it makes zero fucking sense to make this some kind of stand or pretend like it's some social justice movement type shit. Like, say you just saw the latest Spiderman movie. Tom Holland doesn't go around telling people after the movie "You liked it? You liked my acting? >Well guess what, I'm not ACTUALLY Spiderman guys, jeez you are fucking parasocial losers for thinking I was cool in that movie and haha you're all such losers because you paid $10 to see me do that" etc because - that'd be fucking ridiculous. Vtubers are doing this now by playing as a friendly streamer for months/years being cute and cozy with chat etc and then going "hahaha you guys actually liked that? looosers" etc. They only prove how much they don't actually belong behind that avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304896
is a moral obligation, if a friend makes you a gift for your birthday, you want/have to do the same for his birthday, that feeling that "you want to give gifts in return" is part of the obligation, this doesn't mean that you do it for an interest or because you want to receive something in exchange since is just a nice thought for your loved ones, but every gift creates certain dynamics, but there are a lot of other type of gifts that you can do for an interest, eg. at work, to a social sircle in order to feel part of it, to an important person that might feel indebted to you and help you out in the future etc., you should read a book on the topic, is a really interesting social dynamic

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305181
>A lot of these vtubers so anxious to shit on their fans are just fucking losers themselves pretending real hard that they're not because they think they have some drop of power or influence over a couple strangers.
This but unironically. While they spend a whole ass day roleplaying as anime characters and making 100 bucks after cuts, their former classmates and friends are much more successful having normal ass jobs + they get to socialize more

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303018
>creating parasocials
>dis bich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1BJ2tQNVuY

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305211
Anon, reading intentions are hard. Life experience isn't going to be able to accurately tell you someone is trying to curry favour. Most assumputions people make about these sort of things are normally wrong too and them reading too hard into other peoples intentions. Generally when you give people things people think its a nice gesture not something with hidden intentions. I myself am the latter who reads too much into things like gifts but that behaviour isn't normal and I'm aware enough to recognize I'm not normal or right for thinking thay way.

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>>25305438
If you didn't care then you wouldn't give a rat's ass what anyone has to say about vtubers just being e-girls.

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>>25302462
Western whores are always fun. They just don't get it and never will. If you're getting a slew of free cash for easy ain't shit work... keep your mouth shut dummy. Just can't help themselves lol.

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>>25305546
I don't ive been shit posting through out the thread

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>>25305065
Finana doesn't understand what parasocial relationships are, and that they go both ways. She thinks of them as the people sending death threats to her coworker.

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>>25305382
?

[Anonymous No.]

> Western whores are always fun. They just don't get it and never will. If you're getting a slew of free cash for easy ain't shit work... keep your mouth shut dummy. Just can't help themselves lol.

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>>25305480
T. Tranny

[Anonymous No.]

Mentally ill losers who sent dozens of $100 superchats for the dopamine rush of hearing their imaginary girlfriend say their name are absolutely seething

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit can you stop this fucking meme already, parasocial doesn't mean gachikoi. Every single vtuber-fan relationship is parasocial.

[Anonymous No.]

do none of you fags understand that this is about reimu getting death threats for interrupting a "date" or are ya'll just pretending to be retarded

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>>25304721
For good reason obviously. Based Yagoo.

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>>25305255
I'm not same YOU are like this, its just an expression to phrase how people like this are. I don't know how it is in your culture, but in the western world "dates" and things aren't really romantic intentions. Outings and going out with friends is normal, especially for younger people. For younger people you probably wouldn't even be able to get a clear answer on what a date actually is as that sort of thing is just apart of normal friendships.

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>>25305610
none of them do but that's besides the point. nijien has some hardcore BFE/GFE content and they somehow don't want people to get attached. its unrealistic to say the least

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>>25303018
But parasocials exist in every aspect of the internet, or do you actually come here to shout into the void? you come here to spread your ideas among supposed like minded individuals, and in doing so, you feel comfortable, you substitute the friendships and conversations you can't have with say, your family or your friends with us, in this way, you form a parasocial relationship with us, one of friendship. Say you are denied of your internet platforms, then what? what do you have?

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>>25303018
>tells their chat they love them for all the support they've been given
>that means we're going out now!

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>>25305664
everyone gets death threats on the internet she needs to stop being a whiny bitch

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>>25305651
>>25305635
>>25305480
>>25304700
>>25304542
>>25304484
>>25303558
(You)

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>>25305181
True but Tom Holland, or any other normal actor, does a lot of casual interviews where he can be himself. And he does other movies where he plays a totally different character. Vtubers are basically stuck playing the same character, forever, with no chance to ever be themselves.

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>>25303197
>>25303492
I want to go back bros...

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>>25305770
ok roastie

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>>25305717
Wut?
A date is going out with the intention to see if you're into someone or taking out someone you're in a relationship with. Hangout is what tou're talking about.

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>>25304297
that's fine lol. They didnt break kayfabe. How is this concept of playing character so hard for westoids to understand? It's just a job, they're the one that make it personal for some reason despite having anime avatars.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you rele beleb vtubers love (You)?

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>>25305752
this anon gets it
>>25305564
and this just shut up and don't treat your fans like shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305664
>something happens
>I wont explicitly mention it and instead make sweeping generalizations that perpetuate a negative perception about the vTubing industry that I personally profit from

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>>25305884
Based take and I absolutely agree. It also makes the Japanese culture more livable than western garbage cultures.

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>>25305495
There is no moral obligation, anon. There might be something of the sort between close friends but between strangers or people who aren't even that close there is nothing of the sort. Even then between close friends there is barely much of one because if you are truly close you give each other random gifts all the time and there is no obligation or desire to give it in return. Its just a normal thing you do

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>>25305884
this is literally a cope, 99% of vtubers aren't playing a character

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>>25305726
They want you to get attached but not possessive and it works the vast majority of the time, even Vox's fans generally know that

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>>25305855
you know im right that's why your using buzzwords. i watch this male youtuber that gets death threats all the time and he just ignores them instead of bitching and moaning and having to get a whole defense force out to defend him

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>>25305664
nobody is saying it's not silly or uncalled for anon, just that you really shouldn't cultivate an audience that's known for doing shit like this and act surprised when they do

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>>25302462
Unsubbing from all Prism girls now. I'll leave them for the cucks.

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>>25305661
Gachikoi also doesn't necessarily mean unicorn, and even unicorns won't all send death threats and shit like that. That one major Rushia paypig was closer to killing himself than her.
You can be sure that anyone sending death threats is a unicorn, is gachikoi and is in a parasocial relationship, but skipping all of the steps to shit on the last one is just being extremely rude to a lot of people who have fuck all to do with anything.

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>>25306026
they don't care because their fans are going to support them no matter what

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>>25305543
Agreed. But in the case they're completely aware that, say, a meal is being bought for them in hopes of something else and they take it anyways, then they are a piece of shit, and to be fair maybe the guy is too. You can at least accept a hypothetical where it's not up for debate whether someone would know or not, right?

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>>25305527
>Ends the video by whispering "I am sorry I didn't mean that"
So what was this going to prove, except that she plays a brat?

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>>25304673
Why would you give money to a homeless person?

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>>25305884
i really don't know why its so hard for them. do they not see how playing a character can be really fun? there's a reason the desuwa girl is exploding and that's because instead of generic anime girl she's playing a unique character that's fun to watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>25305799
If they were themselves, would they be shitting on men just like pretty much every other western woman? Who would watch them then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304673
>giving money to the poor
just get a job

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>>25305884
because vtubing in the west is codeword for having an anime avatar. I also don't get blowing 10k bucks on a (((lore))) video and rigging if most streams they're sitting on their asses doing react stuff anyway. There's been a bunch of new model debuts on the twitch side of things but it's literally back to the same routine as before

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>>25303760
she is a retard though, no doubt.
nothing new there.
react content is popular because they see the shitty zoomer videos and the anime grill

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>>25305752
The word "parasocial" actually doesn't mean much and has existed long long before the internet to begin with.

It literally applies to anyone you feel anything social about, even if it's just approval/agreement with them or a sense of kinship, without you personally knowing them. You know how people would describe George W. Bush as the kind of president that they'd "like to go have a beer with"? Parasocial. You really liked an actor's performance in a movie? Parasocial. You watched an interview with him and think he/she is a cool person? Parasocial. The notion of calling some random dude on twitch a bro? The whole idea/myth of "bro-tier" or "bro-tuber"? Parasocial.

People who literally fucking do not understand what it means are treating it like the new "incel" quite literally when it just fucking does not mean that at all. Probably because they know that ranting about incels is so 2015 and it's just an empty buzzword now, but they think parasocial is the fancy new word that smartly describes the context here. No, not really actually, because it as a term extends to well beyond just streamers and pervades not just media but politics, history etc as well.

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>>25305977
I'd buy that if it wasn't BFE/GFE content. not everyone is going to take it seriously but you can't ignore that you're doing for a large audience and some might. mind you that in not saying people sending death threats are right but really pandering to fujos that are actually obsessed with you and asking them to not be "possessive" sounds silly to me

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>>25306114
Its hard to do something like that for hundreds of hours. I'll be surprised if she still is by next month and doesnt just start using it for gags.

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>>25305977
A lot of Vox's fans do know this, but Luxiem brought in a massive amount of new fans, which included a ton of chinese women who are both unfamiliar with vtubers, and have no community which tells then what's acceptable and what isn't around them. Which in some situations works itself out, but Vox's fanbase in particular grew so fast that it got out of control. Luca has had some of the same problems, but he tried to deal with it earlier so it hasn't gotten as bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304398
>islam was right.
SEA MOMENT

[Anonymous No.]

>>25306108
Right? What are they gonna do, buy a house with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304398
>it's clear islam was right
Then please go live under it. Wahhabism preferably since they wouldn't let you watch vtubers at all let alone spend money on them and they wouldn't let you post /here/ either.
You'll only be helping yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304297
Japanese passive aggressiveness at its finest

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
I hate white women so fucking much bros

[Anonymous No.]

drama free, amazing vtubers here

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>>25306254
You're focusing too much on what parasocial means. It's true that you can experience it in mostly benign ways. The problem is when you include other ingredients such as a many-to-one social hierarchy, and the context of live streamer interaction. Then you monetize it. When you combine all of those components then it does become something bad but it's not necessarily to be blamed on the viewers as much as it's the fault of the streamer.

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>>25306443
I think even the zaniest-sounding of Vox's fans aren't actually looneys but they kind of see it as a community thing and find it fun to express themselves this way.

That whole spiel Vox was giving about "I'm not actually a demon and I'm not actually your boyfriend" missed the point pretty fucking hard there. These are 20 year olds you're talking to man not fucking 2 year olds... they know. They're just having fun with it and probably call each other whatever their equivalent of "based" is, for saying things like "daddy pls make me your toilet seat" right to his face. You've gotta admit that takes balls, or I guess ovaries in this case, these girls have way bigger ovaries than most Western male viewers have for balls.

They do however expect that he actually commit to the act and make them enjoy it, not cuck them in the middle of probably one of the most fucking parasocial BFE streams I have ever fucking seen in my entire life. That's just plain being bad at his job, IMO. I think he actually handled it pretty well considering everything as he kept up the act even while talking with Reimu, but obviously his fans didn't buy it as good-enough a cover. If he wanted to keep to his strengths he should have literally ignored Reimu in the first place. It's way easier to patch things up in private afterwards with someone you know than to try to angrily lecture 800,000 people that you fucking don't know. NijiEN clearly doesn't have very thoughtful management to not have safeguards in place against this kinda thing but welp, too late now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25304297
this, JP whores are shitting on their fans behind their back, you just don't see it. but western vtubers receive all the hate for being blunt unlike japanese snake whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>25306843
>bitter neckbeard expat living in Japan
>reddit
=

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303151
>>25303197

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>>25306685
prism is also drama free, luto is just a huge shitposter and she can't help herself

[Anonymous No.]

>>25306843
This pic has JET monkey energy.

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>>25302462
funny that this is happening in the youtube scene where donations are called superchats so instead of being given voluntarily without expectation of a return they are used as a way to buy attention
twitch isn't innocent of this either, letting viewers attach a message to donations was a mistake

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>>25306843
every woman is like that, but at least they aren't doing it right in your face and are keeping it for themselves and their friends.
>pic
too much text but the
>40$ entry fee for the chuds in a club
is perfectly normal since clubs need pussy like a bear need honey, this doesn't mean that a society is "gynocentric", the west is more gynocentric than japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>25306982
it's literally the only reason why people are donating, being able to interact with the vtuber is also the only reason why people are watching them.
There's a reason why all vtubers are streamers now.

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>>25306807
I don't know what kind of safeguard would have prevented Reimu from contacting Vox to ask about how to get a FNAF ending while she saw he was in the middle of FAKE DATE RP ASMR, "oh boy they're going to be so angry but i'm calling anyway" She deserved every bit of hate she got except for the couple of retards calling for her head

[Anonymous No.]

>>25306982
youtube allowing superchats and memberships to even become a thing was a mistake. i miss when just subscribing was enough

[Anonymous No.]

How are death threats meaningful in anyway? These bitches grew up with the internet.

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>>25306807
I'd agree with this for the most part, and if his aim was just to keep making the most money he can while drawing the most viewers he can, he probably should have gone that way. Putting aside anything they have done before, that it got to the point that they were sending death threats means it was becoming pretty extreme. He made the decision to try to control his fanbase so that things like this wouldn't repeat in the future. That either takes some major confidence, or just going with his feelings while not realizing what the consequences might be. It's a decision that someone that has the most viewers in their branch would usually find impossible to make.

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>>25305495
>>25305943
It's not a moral obligation. It's called the norm of reciprocity and it can also be used by sales people. By giving something insignificant the target is more likely to give something significant such as signing a petition or subscribing to something. Recognizing that the norm of reciprocity exists even without the proper academic jargon to identify it doesn't mean you're a piece of shit.

Typically most relationships including romantic relationships start with transactional exchanges. If the relationship deepens then typically it becomes less transactional. This could also be related to the fact that close relationships can merge self-concepts with concepts of the partner. /u=In that sense helping or doing something for the other person is more like doing something for yourself. In a broader social context even doing good deeds can be motivated by other goals, including feeling good, or being seen as good. It's not impossible to be completely selfless but it is not common.

This is just how the machinery works under the hood.

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>>25307126
It was straight up catty woman behavior be all like "oh look at me aint. bet yall are jealous huh?"

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>>25306254
Just food for thought, the Church is centered around building a parasocial relationship for jesus. You superchat him every week at church. You DM him when you pray and pretend to see responses from him in your life.

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>>25305760
You have no idea how many unironically feels like this

[Anonymous No.]

I love hololive so much, it's unreal bros.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25306843
>japanese whores still act like western whores used to act and are liked because of it
HMMMMM. Remember that clip a few years ago that was incredibly popular? With some twitch titty streamer slut getting mad that people weren't giving her money and berated her chat to then cut to Korone or Miko doing cute things while being cute?

It's almost like people don't like it when attention whores get uppity and bite the hands that literally pay their fucking bills.

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>>25307208
My concern is that he didn't consider that the fans may just hate Reimu even more after this, because they already weren't fans of hers to begin with and just will use her as a scapegoat instead of blame Vox himself. Because they want to keep loving Vox and simply tolerated Reimu, but are fine demonizing Reimu as that bitch messing with their oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy screaming sheepshit you people are delusional. These people are entertainers, not prostitutes. They are not obligated to do anything for you, since you don't even have a contractual relationship with them, let alone a social or moral one. If you take in GFE content, you are accepting it is a fantasy. They aren't "leading on" anyone who is competent enough to use the internet without adult supervision.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303854
Silence, hole

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>>25307307
stfu, the least they can do with people giving them the money that gives them luxury is be kind to them and not be absolute bitch whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302568
holy based

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>>25307307
>If you take in GFE content, you are accepting it is a fantasy.
And if you give GFE content, you are accepting you're catering to mentally ill losers who are giving lots of cash for it. You get the fleas with the dog.

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>>25307307
Nobody is really talking about actually getting something in return individually from these girls, how many people here are going "fucking bitch I donated like 2 grand why isn't she sucking me off" - you fucking NEVER see that actually.

All people ask is that they not turn and shit on their fans, the same fans they've been sweet talking and being nice to for months if not years, if they expect the fans to continue their end of this charade. To shit on the fans and then call them losers because -you pissed them off yourself- is quite literally blaming the victim. Nobody put a gun to this girl's head to force her to say what she really thinks, nobody demanded some truth-bomb shit from her.

Look at how Rushia had a legit, plausible chance to just fuck her own shit up after the Mafu scandal - she never did. Even in her fucking darkest moment, the nadir of her career, she didn't slip. She came back as Mike the Cat and most of her fans followed her over, she probably makes even fucking more money than before without the Cover cut. Fake or not that girl knows how to do her job and you have to give her props for that at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307307
I see.
You'd better hope people continue donating money to you entirely out of the kindness in their hearts, especially after you keep calling them names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307344
incel

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>>25307289
Yeah, I have seen a lot of people make good points about how things could have been done better. But I'm not sure who they can ask for advice about PR things, and I am pretty sure that no english vtuber agency has someone employed who's job is to give good advice on how to handle controversies. It's probably going to suck for Reimu, but I hope it at least doesn't happen again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303760
I don’t know why she commented on this at all. She’s not GFE or particularly paradoxical baiting, nor is she a trend hopper. Maybe she thought adding the emojis would make it funny but it’s just cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307283
they're literally telling you to fuck off and you still think they need you

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307307
Yes, some people are delusional, and doing GFE content will feed into their delusion. Attracting these sorts of people is inevitable by doing this sort of content, if you don't want to lead those sorts of people on, then the onus is on you not to do that sort of content.
Be prepared to reap what you sow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302568
They thank you but they don't want to fuck you. Go get a fucking whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307518
(Me) Parasocial baiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307307
>Pay prostitutes to entertain me for a few hours
>Pay chuuba to entertain me for a few hours
The only difference is the level of physical contact and method of payment your arguments is autistic and so are you

[Anonymous No.]

is this another ina situation where the chuuba satirises a specific kind of obsessive fan and everyone pretends they're attacking their entire fanbase
just checking

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307307
>Ironmouse pic
You do realize Ironmouse's rise to prominence is based entirely on parasocial behavior from her viewers right? 95% of her viewers don't watch her because of her own merits as an entertainer but to see le poor sick girl they personally don't know "win" before she allegedly croaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Western 2views are an entitled bunch. I'm glad they're all on twitch so I can filter them by never going there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307572
>pay prostitute to entertain me for a few hours
>watch chuuba for a few hours for free, maybe leave a tip if i had a particularly good time

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307601
That one's on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307521
>you
No, they're telling YOU to fuck off, since everyone who ever watched a vtuber is parasocial with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307591
checked, it's just idolshitters again

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307534
Same thing whores don't want to fuck you either they just want your money the difference is that a whore knows that providing quality customer interaction (pretending to be nice) leads to repeat customers where a retarded chuuba will just lose views for not understanding this we aren't obligated to watch shitty content when there are more chuubas

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307648
nah this is just a massive cope and an attempt at trying normalize shitty behavior

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307643
If you see an ad you've paid them through ad rev your data has value too anon don't fall into the trap of "Its already there and its not hurting anyone"

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307237
It's crazy Vox went ahead and said with a straight face that she didn't know what she was getting into and westoids still thought he threw her under the bus the first time

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307307
they know what they're doing. It's their fault for intentionally pandering to mentally ill and delusional people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302794
Money can't buy dignity is true after all

[Anonymous No.]

Bro, we all know it's kayfabe. It's just a little bit of acting, is that so hard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307572
They're more like cabaret dancers. You like their performance? Toss them some money so they come back to perform again.
You (probably) can't ask anyone of them to give you a private 1on1 dance but every now and then they put on a show for their patrons and only their VIP members can watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
This is Luto

Everything she says should be looked at through the view of a shit poster. She exists to shit post and rarely does anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
Women wanting all the privileges without any downsides. Blaming the mentally ill people for accepting GFE is victim blaming, but I guess it's not victim blaming if women say so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307572
You can ask them to do whatever, but it's not their obligation to do it. If you SC them $100 and then ask them to say something, she has no obligation to do it since she didn't agree to it beforehand. If you give someone money expecting something and they just pocket the money when they haven't promised anything, it just means you're an idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302794
>give vtubers outside of hololive a chance
>watches gura but worse
that was on you anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307745
If he warned her and she still fucking did it why did he defend her after the fact and chide his schizos??? Like the fuck you don't yell at fire for being hot and burning a child you warned to not fucking touch it

[Anonymous No.]

>>25306843
It is a -not so well known- fact that women have higher standards than men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307817
Or I know how to refute a charge...I mean fuck em if your banks not shit getting your 100 backs pretty easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307802
people that think girl on screen is their girlfriend are apparently the victims. It's like they never watched tv & movies before

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307307
>>25307572
>>25307643
It's a bit of a pedantic argument. Probably the biggest problem is that prostitution and sex work in general has a lot of negative stigma. You can even compare them to cam girls that are free to watch and accept tips and recognize big payers.

The real difference is the level of honesty and how upfront people are with their customers. The prostitute or cam girl is less likely to imply a different kind of interaction that is not stated clearly. It's quite clear that vtubers understand what they are doing and what will get them viewer to pay up. There are no accidents here, it is intentional, but it is not upfront. Part of what is being sold is the fantasy to ignore reality.

The logical choice is to never support content creators ever. Not until they actually produce something that is worth payment. Fantasy social interaction is not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307717
I will not watch any whore who makes an ungrateful statement like this. There are other options who are more grateful for my time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307884
jesas

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307805
Naw there more like prostitutes they preform for money directly only 0views and 2view who's do it for near free most corpos are making ad rev off views which we supply and unfortunately for chuubas there are more of them sharing time slots to a very nich audiance so its more a viewer market then a performer market its just like with musicians you don't have to buy albums or stream their songs if you hate them for any reason let them go without

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus, there are way too many whores raiding /vt/ these days. Fuck off back to Twitter if you just wanna "yass kween slay" all day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307432
>>25307525
If that "dog" thinks they are entitled to genuine affection from a business relationship, they need psychiatric help.
>>25307754
>>25307816
You're implying that they're victimizing people who they don't even know and have no way of knowing their mental state. Are you going to start requiring government permits for people to consume vtuber content?
>>25307884
Yeah, because women get pregnant and men don't. This is called Bateman's Principle. Pretty basic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303854
>Sociopath female response that ignores the unspoken social agreement when it's convenient
Which here chuuba are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307989
same but for streamers and content creators trying to cultivate a community

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307884
Women are valued higher on these topics. This is why a fat man will always be alone, a skinny man can get a fat girl, a fit man can get a skinny girl, and only the fit and wealthy men can aim for the fit girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302568
There's a big difference between thanking someone and loving them, and vtubers are good at monetizing this virtual friendzone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307964
exactly just don't superchat or buy membership or buy merch. if your oshi has a problem with that then leave

[Anonymous No.]

>>25307964
>The logical choice is to never support content creators ever. Not until they actually produce something that is worth payment. Fantasy social interaction is not.
Almost there honestly I don't care about the actual actions of the person behind the chuuba provided they don't drag it out into the open the fantasy social interaction doesn't bother me in the least thats part of the appeal everything else is right tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25308037
>don't even know and have no way of knowing their mental state
who the fuck do you think watches vtubers retard? If you think the average vtuber fan is a normal person you're as delusional as the GFEfags. Why do you think men only watch female vtubers and women watch male vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>25308143
>He doesn't watch male vtubers
Anon she doesn't love you

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
This is like in movies some soldier or marine guy says "i didnt sign up for this" while getting peppered from all angles, bitch this was in the job description, you signed up for this. They know you dont love them, you know you dont love them but you still have to say you love them, you stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25302462
The moment western vtubers aren't contractually bound to not be whores they, unsurprisingly, turn into whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25308166
there were actually some male vtubers I wanted to watch but they're all pandering to fujos

[Anonymous No.]

>>25308143
Because watching cute anime girls do cute things is more fun than watching boring flesh streamers scream "LETS GOOOOO" for the millionth time

[Anonymous No.]

>>25308037
>If that "dog" thinks they are entitled to genuine affection from a business relationship, they need psychiatric help.
Yes they do. You'll find this doesn't matter much to whores when they can get their hands on your cash with relative ease.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25308022
Listen I know you want to call them prostitutes because you feel it's derogatory or whatever. But prostitutes literally have sex with you.
Hot-line girls.
Pin up and lingerie models.
Pole dancers.
Strippers.
Webcam girls.
Those aren't prostitutes, even though you could argue they fall in the broader umbrella of "sex worker".

But you're missing the larger picture: children can watch them. As long as this is true they're nowhere near and never will be fitting to call them prostitutes.

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>>25308206
>be women
>ruin everything

[Anonymous No.]

just saying, GFE vtubers would never do something like that, and some of them actually love their chat!

[Anonymous No.]

too many twitter whores in this thread, it smells like roastie in here

[Anonymous No.]

I paid you anon. You are now obligated to eat my shit. You are not allowed to refuse. You have to take my money. STOP TALKING BACK TO ME YOU FUCKING WHORE I'M NOT MENTALLY ILL I DARE YOU TO SAY THAT AGAIN I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU BITCH

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>make your living on creating and maintaining a parasocial relationship with your audience
>shit on your audience for having developed said relationship
Love from Kazakhstan.

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>>25308351
OH OH OH i'm sure Rushia actually loved her fans right

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>>25308037
>they're victimizing people who they don't even know and have no way of knowing their mental state
Why would they use a sexy anime girl model when they can use something else? They do know their victims' mental state, and they exploit it.

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>>25308143
the schizos are a minorty in the vtuber world just like gamers are the minority in the videogame world. Both are also full of themselves and overestimate their worth

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>>25308412
i don't know i don't watch hololive

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>>25308351
I know it's fake, I may be stupid but I'm not an idiot. Of course the girl doesn't love me, she doesn't even know me. I just want a cute anime girl to treat me like that for a few minutes every day. Is that too much to ask? Why is everyone up in arms about this?

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>>25302462
>Holofags/numberfags being tilted by Luto of all people
Imagine my shock

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>>25308425
Of course anon. I'm sure the average vtuber fan is a normal and healthy person who has a loving wife, kids and a good career.

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>>25308244
Listen I know you got a liberal arts degree and you think that literally every word that could be applied to a woman some how when its used by a man is meant to be degrading but its not. Don't make baseless accusations because your special brand of autism won't allow you to have a normal conversation without them. Now I use the word prostitute in the same manner of Jesus "Kids Kennys a prostitute hes just doing stuff that anyone could do but for money"

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>>25308304
>see woman exploiting mentally ill men for profit
>women bad
>see man exploiting mentally ill women for profit
>women bad
>simple as

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>can't even hit 300 likes in a day
lol

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>>25308508
Gee maybe it's as if most people including her fans don't actually think it's a based take and don't wanna approve it. There's no dislike button on twitter.

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>>25308505
>>see man exploiting mentally ill women for profit
never happened, not even once.

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>>25305069
Lies about being gay to milk unicorns and yuribait with straight girl

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>>25305069
>she's literally gay
that's literally a lie she made up after accidentally mentioning a male friend and if you believe it you don't actually watch iku

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>>25308581
Literally Vox.

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>>25308412
You mean the same Rushia who couldnt just ignore the yab and move on and instead had a melt down on her room mates Twitter while /vt/ was going into full schizo level shit posting and speculation only for Rushia to kill her career and threw away her built up fanbase/vod history/corpo ties/friends by leaking private info to Jap Keemstar so she could clear her image for her fans and her own sanity that Rushia?

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I don't understand why parasocial is being used as synonymous with incel/unicorn/"idol culture" now all of a sudden.
All streamer-audience relationships are parasocial, inherently. Even if you're not selling BFE/GFE, any fan wanting to interact with you at all is doing so in a parasocial manner. It's not just a VTuber thing. Hell, it's not even just a streamer thing. Surrogate friendship falls into this too.

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>>25308508
small corpo please understand, it’s the most likes she’s gotten in months

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>>25308505
May as well play that game. That's how it works in reverse anyway.

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>>25307126
> I don't know what kind of safeguard would have prevented Reimu
maybe following her own chat rules.
but western bitches have no time for those obviously.

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>>25308581
Those weird erotic RP ASMRs where for the boys right anon?

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>>25308649
Kek Japs really are next level

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>>25308581
>what is Dr. Oz
>what are all of these self help books and who owns the companies
>what are department stores
Cmon dude. Happens all the time. It just isn't seen.

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>>25307307
But parasocial anon, it's parasocialingly parasocial that you're parasocially parasocial about this parasocial.

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>>25308642
women think everything is about sex, they don't understand the concept of friendship

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Luto reeks of turbo-virgin. I've never been so sure that the woman behind the anime avatar is the ugliest chink that ever adventured outside Bugland, I don't need any doxxfaggotry, I'm sure

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>>25308672
do you even know why that rule is there? This is like common jap coutesy

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>>25308748
>>25308690
>>25308620
Tits or gtfo

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>>25302462
That's why this ausie whore will stay forever irrelevant. No one's asking vtubers to unironically love them, its all about the role play, if they can't even do that much they are worthless
And I'm saying this as someone who fucking hates GFE

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>>25308774
Its like knowing that Nux is a jew its instinctual

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>>25308737
Western whores should be happy that while they do what they do, the worst they'll get is a salty twitter thread.

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>>25308784
yep, and she really shouldn't expect her fans to obey her chat rules if she herself keeps breaking them.

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>>25308831
based Chainsaw Man

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>>25302568
>we
Grey names like you are the loudest leeches

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>>25302568
Exactly. A lot of these bitches are just using people and the least they could do is say thank and be genuine about it. Fuck, How hard is it to just show a little kindness for once. I’m not even talking about parasocial stuff. I’m talking about being nice and not acting like a piece of shit to fans.

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>>25308831
I mean Mel had her manager but it wasnt that bad she got off without getting the rape

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>>25308857
I don't think you even understand what that rule means or what it's trying to prevent

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>>25308948
>Chumkeks
I swear Gura doesn't stream just so she doesn't have to deal with her fans lmao

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>>25308948
no wonder Ame got so insecure about hanging out with Gura

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>>25307307
>These people are entertainers, not prostitutes.
SOME of them do act like virtual sex workers.
They share their sexy voices like those old phone calls via dial-up. they jiggle in front of you, they call you nice things.
They flirt without most of the negatives but they get most of the positives.
If your GF/BF had an onlyfans, how would you feel? She/he is sharing herself with the world for money. Lets assume they will never have sex with him/her but they are deciding to arouse, tease, poke feelings in others.
They don't want to call themselves whores but they do oddly similar things.

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>>25309017
gloryhole fan events when??

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>>25308948
> Vox is having an intimate BFE ASMR Stream.
> Rule is set up so that no one else's fanbase can disturb them, unless Vox brings them up first as a discussion topic.
> Reimu breaks the rule and tells her chat to go spam on Vox's chat.
> Rule broken, window broken, chat has less inhibitions about spamming others if Reimu mentions them now.
Both you and I know exactly what the rule is trying to prevent, my point is that Reimu broke the rule with her actions.

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>>25309042
There is this machine that lets you receive blowjobs in VR. So soon.

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>>25308831
> blaming the producer instead of the idol cancer culture and the rabid unicorns
WE NEED to destroy idol culture before it reaches this point on Hololive and vtubing, we need to do something

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>>25309017
What they realized is how deep the rabbit hole goes for as far as loser men are concerned. Like if this was 30 or 40 years ago, they would either become full whore or just leave it alone. I bet you pornstars from back then are seething today, that this is feather light crap, onlyfans, vtubing, chaturbate etc are able to make more money than they were then taking loads to the face. Its so bad they have to give 10x less these days while making 10x more. The fucking state of men tho for, for going with it.

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>>25309147
No, you need to get out of somewhere you don't belong.

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I actually watch Luto and I can assure you she's shitposting. She's on your side you autistic idiots. Have none of you watched her before?

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>>25309147
post feet or gtfo

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>>25309173
I once got a blowjob for a couple of pills I got for free

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>>25309269
>She's on your side
of the screen, having sex with me.

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>>25309147
My sympathy for whores has run dry years ago. If you're a chuuba and play the GFE roulette, you might win, you might lose.

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>>25309126

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>>25309316
>Sympathy
>Simp
it's all coming together

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>>25309269
I tried but her laugh sounds like a dog with Pneumonia

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>>25308623
>Gets caught beyond the point of any plausible deniability on stream
>Panics because she's about to lose it all
>Actually she panicked because she cares so much about her fan's money
The copium lmao

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>>25309147
Fuck that, we should nurture idol culture to see what can happen due to it growing stronger in the west.

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>>25309269
>She's on your side
Prove it.

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>>25306843
Considering reddit seems to hate japan and its people with a passion, plus most people on there being autistic neckbeards, I'd take this with a grain of salt.
Like no shit people treat some random english teacher who doesn't speak nip coldly that's to be expected.

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>>25309434
Why not actually talk to some Japanese people who live in Japan, or better yet, go there yourself?

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>>25309340
That's her character smug shitpost sarcastic laugh she does to annoy her fanbase. It takes a lot for her rm to genuinely laugh but when she does it's really cute. Luto is actually really sharp and intelligent but everyone in this thread thinks she's a dumb Western whore with no sense of humor.

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>>25303116
Thread should have stopped here, literally every single vtuber does this and pretends like they totally don't love the huge amounts of money and worshipful community they've built and will continue to build for months/years. Even muhload did this the one time he could have been truly based by bending over backwards and explicitly saying he's going to keep doing the same shit he spent a whole fucking HOUR breaking down.

Except Nyanners. It's literally the one point in her favor. That's how bad it is.

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>>25306101
I was going to say "you retard, brats don't create parasocials duh"

but then I remembered this is "needs correction" central

so uh fml I guess

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>>25305884
In japan, the idol/live2d/vocaloid/VR complex is normalized, so if you're a literally who getting into it, it's because you've actually thought it over, discovered a talent and want to try something cool.

In the west, the 2view market gets saturated with talentless clowns because SUPERIOR NIPPON RIGGING LAYERED OVER A THOUSAND TIMES.

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>>25309577
parasocial doesn't mean you want to fuck the streamer retarded reddit spacer
if you care about the streamer in any other way other than pure entertainment, it's parasocial. You know how 40+ depressed housewives watch reality shows all day and they feel close to the hosts because they spend most of their time with them? That's parasocial relationship. If you watch a vtuber's streams regularly, it's unavoidable.

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>>25305752
>do you actually come here to shout into the void?
NTA, but yes.

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>>25309084
Good point I never realized how she broke her own chat rules. She literally knew it was going to cause a shitstorm did it anyway and broke her own rule in the process. And then played the victim afterwards. She literally created her own problem

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>>25309147
A vtweeter typed this

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>>25308993
It's a huge reason as to why Kana, her halfsister, stopped vtubing all together. dunno what it is about Nacho's kids, but they all seem to be the same "energy", and why Luto isn't being consumed by her own fanbase is an oddity

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>>25303914
>She's Australian
All is forgiven.

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>>25309335
The future is now roasties

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>>25302462
Well of course they don't like para social relationships, after all, they are not getting the money

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>>25309690
My model has been folded over ten thousand times by yellow hands

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>>25309829
Because unlike Kana and Gura, Luto is on the same wavelength with her fanbase. And that's a bad thing.

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>>25306094
The thing is this hypothetical situation almost never occurs. This hypothetical is basically built on the idea you asked then out on a date and alongside that said I'm doing this because I want to date you/want something in return or something similar. This sort of thing doesn't happen in reality. I'm also not going to agree with what you are saying because the way you are phrasing shit doesn't seem honest and is coming off as a I'm trying to trap someone to get a gotcha.

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>>25309829
So that's what happened to Kana god watching a fanbase in real time break a chuubas spirit by being excessively autistic is so surreal

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>>25309780
Yep.
Funnily enough she was having a laugh about "disturbing their date" before spamming him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWVpDZJL8hM)), as if it was all just a big joke.
These modern irony-poisoned minds can never take anything seriously, everything is 'just a joke" to them.
No wonder they struggle with forming meaningful relationships.

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>>25309544
i like prism but this is some hard cope, she's clearly very manipulative if that laugh is fake because it means she's faking enjoyment by using it every few minutes. I still hear Aoi telling her to stfu, it was beautiful

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>>25308948
Fucking hell, the secondhand embarassment I get from this makes me shrink

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>>25309969
She was the closest thing to Sen, and she took the abandoned fanbase in to her own dismay. Think she reset her disc server twice and went to Twitch secretly
But in the end, the bratty vtuber fanbase proved lethal

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>>25310096
It's more of a noise than a laugh really. It's her way of letting you know she's fucking around so don't take her insults or takes seriously. Luto and her fanbase are constantly shitting on each other for fun, similar to Laplus. So many SEA retards in this thread misinterpreted a tweet from a fucking Aussie of all people lmao.

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>>25303333
Checked
Now let me sniff some balls

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>>25302462
I will never give any Vtuber my money. They dont love you. Do you love your wallet? No, its the same with vtubers. They dont love you in any capacity nor will they give you anything for your donation and support.
This is why anime>vtubers. With anime if I spend my money on a statue, garage kit, Doujin or model kit I get something in return. Whereas with vtubers if I spend my money I might get a half-assed copy and pasted thank you and a fake I love you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25309147
Who's we nigger? The Japanese's business is their own. Im not here to meddle in their shit, just enjoy some of it.
NYPA.

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>>25303914
of course she is

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>>25309958
It's not a trap, femanon. I just think you've pretended to be into someone for a free meal at least once in your life and I wanted you to know I think you're a piece of shit for doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

2views aren't even parasocial since they regularly interact with most of their viewers

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>>25307307
Instead of prostitutes I'd say some like Veibae are more akin to pole dancers. Also since I'm not entitled to anything more than a "Tank u supacha" they are not entitled to my money either. Plenty of 2views out there that really need the money and at least will say some sweet nothings for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25309486
I'd love to go there myself! One small problem: THEY ARENT LETTING ANYONE IN!

[Anonymous No.]

>>25303914
Sometimes it tears me up knowing Luto, Kana, and Gura will never collab together with how much goblina energy they all share

[Anonymous No.]

>>25311301
Yeah, no one's telling you who to watch either. Just remember that, again, you're not entitled to anything you didn't sign a contract for.

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>>25304041
>Taking the piss out of who?
parasocial incels

[Anonymous No.]

>>25311401
women don't understand this but they're not entitled to people being nice and supportive
I can talk shit about anyone I want, you can't stop me

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>>25309544
That's because they don't watch her or Prism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>25311551
Hey i watched her for a few times, then she literally roasted my one comment i thought would go unnoticed and i ran away like a bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>25311667
Cute

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>>25305760
Sadly way too many think like this. Hell, some probably think that just by interacting on this shithole, they have friends.
Fuck all of you. I love you, but fuck all of you. I'd push the big red button to blend every single one of you, one at a time, and watch.

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>>25311667
nothing goes unnoticed in 2view chats anon