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Why is Hololive so behind on their technology?

>> No.24969925

Good technology does not make your stream inherently better. In the case of codemiko's setup, her impressive tech is being used for... fart jokes and uncanny valley shit...

>> No.24969935

why the fuck do I want my chuubas to look more human? are you retarded OP?

>> No.24969941

>>24969822
Left looks way better, right looks like one of those indie porn games lmao

>> No.24970132

same reason why minecraft is more popular than AAA studio goyslop

>> No.24970157

Alright so for all this talk about tech being better, what other company’s or individual vtubers are doing sololive or concerts besides holo and niji? I willing to watch if there are.

>> No.24970191

not even vtubers are free of the graphicfag menace

>> No.24970228

>>24969822
>Muh realism
Fuck off

>> No.24970341

>>24969822
Vtuber fans will eat anything up so quality isn't important

>> No.24970421

>>24969822
I want to look at anime girls, not weird cgi shit.

>> No.24970448

>>24969822
How many times you retards are gonna post this?
Hololive tries to mimic an anime aesthetic with their 3D, CodeMiko looks like she belongs in a Pixar movie. None are better than the other, it's just different styles, now that i said this i'm going back to fuck your mom.

>> No.24970494
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>>24969822
That's just because Mori is stiff and out of shape. Look at how smooth Gura can move.

>> No.24970529

Is this supposed to be a point in favor of Codemiko? It's uncanny valley shit
Now if you were to point out the difference between vtuber studio and the in-house tech Cover and Anykara use for Live2D, then you'd be onto something

>> No.24970538

>>24969822
That thing on the right is not an anime girl first of all

>> No.24970543

>>24969822
The tech CodeMiko uses is public and I'm sure if Cover wanted to spend 20 grand on each of their talents models, they could.

>> No.24970571

>>24970448
It's about the accuracy of the motion tracking, not the artstyle.

>> No.24970584

>>24969822
>Supernormal stimulus vs Uncanny Valley

>> No.24970652
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24970652

>cgi in anime
Yeah this anime sucks where is the soul
>cgi in vtubers
Yeah this shit is lame, give me my anime chuubas back

Why wouldn’t I prefer left op?

>> No.24970765

>>24970652
The left is equivalent to 3D CG in anime... Most anime is created with computer graphics today.

>> No.24970833

>>24970494
Her rigging is still shit.
Even the festival performances look janky as fuck.

>> No.24970900

Nobody wants fucking realistic looking vtubers! we want anime girls!

>> No.24970979

>>24969822
How is right supposed to be better?

>> No.24971007

>>24969822
Thank god holo3d doesnt dive into the uncanny valley unlimited works.

>> No.24971139

>>24971007
t. nigga that doesnt dive into any pussy

>> No.24971213

>>24969822
I dislike Codemiko's artstyle, because it is way too close to real people to the point it is a waste of resources to not just stream with your real face

>> No.24971244

>muh realism
the rigging on the left looks like shit and her hair is clipping everywhere, rights rigging looks infinitely better
holoturds can cope

>> No.24971362

>>24971139
Nice argument, you're sure to convince someone to join your crew with that attitude.

>> No.24971388

You guys are being fucking retards and confusing rigging with art style.
(And yes, I mean there is nothing wrong with the rigging, the animation is intended to look like that, not everything has to run at a realistic 24fps)

>> No.24971426

>>24971362
why would I want a bitch like you in my crew lmao

>> No.24971477

>>24971388
Mori looks like cock shit. Take a look at arcsystem works animation or cyber connect 2 if you want to see how it should be done.

>> No.24971504

>>24971477
lmao I work at CyberConnect2 nigga

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>>24971504
yeah sure thing bud. get back to mopping the floors while the real artists work

>> No.24971748

>>24971657
If Cover hired whoever rigged their talents, is it that unbelievable another Japanese company would hire me?

>> No.24971773

>>24971426
Why would I want realistic facial features when anime features are more pleasing?

>> No.24971789

>>24971388
>>24971504
Are you able to estimate how many frames Mori's model is animated at? How does the framerate work in regards to a living human being tracked? Does it cause a delay? I don't know how this works.

>> No.24971916

>>24969822
Speaking entirely on rigging and not art here
Cover and Anykara are always going to be behind the times on technology that indies and other non Japanese are using because getting anything upgraded or changed in Japan requires too much work.
Anyone with a good idea has to go through 15+ different people only to get shot down because 4 of them weren't already trained on the new tech

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>>24969822
>right
her tech is pubblic, just expensive, and no one wants to really buy a 20k dollar bodysuit, that said even if the tracking is good, right fails in everything else, character design is shit, she basically downloaded a daz3D model and modified it a bit, everything else is basically free assets modified a bit, the hair that she was so proud about clipped like hell and looked like a wig, yeah is tech is good, but her contribution makes it look like a cheap 3d porn game
>left
I doubt they used the same kind of suit, the rigging is obviously not great and could be smoother, but they are doing an unrealistic character, not something based on real muscles, on the character design and custom assets/originality we are in two different leagues so they went for a vrchat character, not a movie character, that said if you want to make a comparision to someone focused on tracking, compare right to AI-chan, that was doing a similiar shit since 2016

>> No.24972052

>>24971950
How does Kizuna Ai look so good? Can't cover just hire the guy that did her?

>> No.24972056

>>24969822
It looks like mori's model has a lot more actual motion going on, the other one is more realistic but that can be considered a stylistic difference.

But the actual reason is because cover isn't an idol company or a vtuber company and hololive exists mostly to test their technology for their actual VR business. Sora is literally supposed to be an advertisement, Yagoo was the original 'sora'.

>> No.24972118

>>24971789
Sorry I was kidding, I actually have no idea, I bag groceries.

>> No.24972188

>>24972056
>The reason Cover's VR is shit is because they're a VR business
??????????????????????

>> No.24972380

>>24970157
alright so no one is actually doing anything special with the better tech. A shame, they have all this tech and do nothing with it....

>> No.24972432

>>24972188
What is good about uncanny valley shit?

>> No.24972450

>>24969822
soul/soulless
fuck off with your DAZ coom model trash.

>> No.24972474

>>24972118
You're not supposed to be truthful you're supposed to insist you're a graphic designer who makes 300k a year.

>> No.24972509

>>24969822
in hindsight calli first garb is awful they should have skip it and go to second garb

>> No.24972515

>>24970494
>Basically, I'm saying either way, we 'bout to slide, ayy

>> No.24973045

>>24969822
ugliest vtuber model

>> No.24973133

>>24972052
>Can't cover just hire the guy that did her?
for sure they can, but I think that they simply aren't focused on it, they use 3d once in a blue moon, and I'm pretty sure they are just vrchat models adapted for it, look for example virtual witch phenomenon and it's members, that basically use 3d just for concerts and music videos, and their 3d and tracking looks pretty great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9spF7pfQUoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn1ieBOLGB0
moreover you have what this anon said too that applies to their 2d too compared with some 2view indies >>24971916

>> No.24973223

>>24969822
pig disgusting

>> No.24973639

>>24969822
>behind
How so? left is much more fluid. right looks like a stop motion animation.

>> No.24974688

>>24970571
Not sure what you are seeing. What's the difference between their motion tracking? If you meant face tracking i would understand that, but their body tacking basically function the same.

>> No.24974748

>>24969822
Very clever using Mori as an example - makes me prefer the one on the right by default

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>> No.24974839

>>24974802
lol horrowrive looks like shit

>> No.24977232

>>24969822
>>>/aco/weg/

>> No.24977636

>>24969822
soul
soulless

>> No.24977776

>>24973133
to be fair, those girls barely move meanwhile the Holo girls do a lot of movements that obviously lead to tons of clipping.

>> No.24977786

>>24969822
Because nobody could compete with Kizuna-tech so nobody tried.

>> No.24977857

>>24969822
codemiko worked with some grad project/startup that made the tech and when it ended she bought the suit at a discount. it's not homebrew stuff, it's basically the mo-cap suits they use in film production.

>> No.24978530

>>24969935
>>24970191
>>24970228
It's not about the graphics though. What you are talking about is the artstyle/aesthetics which isn't what codemiko is better than hololive at. The over all tracking and movement on codemiko are leaps and bounds beyond anything that cover has available to them.

>> No.24978686

>>24969822
I'll take a less impressive model over a boring personality

>> No.24978814

>>24978530
change it to anime-style model then i will watch her.
uncanny valley model is still uncanny valley.

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>>24978530
It's also expensive as fuck and I don't think anyone else in the industry uses it for that exact reason. A better comparison is probably Projekt Melody who has good 3D tracking and is actually anime styled so the visual comparison is more apt.

>> No.24979453

>>24969822
Because they are apparently doing some sort of fixing process and having to do it one-by-one in order of seniority so I guess it's a huge expense and hassle. If all the girls were truly freelance on their models, maybe some would pay for better models themselves and others would fall behind but since Cover manages them it always thinks about all of them and being sure not to leave any out.

>> No.24979687

>>24978530
>he over all tracking and movement on codemiko are leaps and bounds beyond anything that cover has available to them
So right is deliberately moving like an robot?

>> No.24980149

>>24979453
This. The price of investing and updating 50 talents is that it takes time to completely update them. It also makes more sense to iteratively improve rather than roll out one huge update since it makes for more special events and allows to improve over several iterations so that even if the update turns out to jank up the rigging or makes the models "uglier", this can be used as feedback for consecutive updates. Essentially don't bet everything on one horse.
But there is a point about CodeMiko showing off potential for what should be possible for vtubing - the model was made with the Unreal Engine, there is no reason to assume it would not be possible to make Fate or GI-like models and rig them for a home setup, it's just a higher pricetag for the required hardware and rooming.
Then again, 3D setups are flashy, the meat of most vtuber streaming doesn't require anyone to stand around, since most people still play games or draw sitting, and singing or ASMR requires you to have little more than a corner.

>> No.24980285

>>24969822
They both look like shit but at least Hololive has "soul".

>> No.24980307

>>24971139

Have your free you... Anyway, I suppose you talk about diving into pussy because the ones you can have are all large marine mamals.

>> No.24985369

Hololive stopped being a technology company, which they were at the very beginning, and are now just focusing on entertainment. Nothing wrong with that.

>> No.24985876

>>24985369
Wtf are you on about? Hololive is entertainment company in the first place. Now, the parent company, Cover they do the tech shit

>> No.24986044

>>24969925
Pretty much this. Most time when people bring up tech on here it's usually to hide the lack of a personality on the vtubers part. The casual audience isn't going to care that much about technical polish of a vtuber. The initial draw is the design but its the personality is what keeps people staying.

>> No.24986732

>>24979049
Stop staring as her tits, her model stutters all over the place

>> No.24986800
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Same reason Nasa is behind on their technology

>> No.24987536

>>24986732
It's actually not stuttering, that's just how she laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNl0gGXpCDc

>> No.24987643

>>24970157
Kizuna Ai is the gold standard. It'll be awhile before anyone surpasses her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTa2HxIsBPM&t=4222s

>> No.24987783

>>24987536
Can confirm if the problem is the ending where she's vibrating it's because she's laughing. That clip with sound. https://twitter.com/OOCMelody/status/1468090857643552769

>>24987643
Pre-recorded is different and makes it possible to clean up any problems in the animation or just use more accurate motion capture when the final render isn't being handled live in real time. I'm assuming the OP's example is done live and it looks fine with those limitations in mind. If it's not though then I agree it's pretty bad.

>> No.24988195

>>24987783
>Pre-recorded
Yeah all those superchatted 3D assets popping up are all pre-recorded.
You can make the same accusation for Hololive concerts too. But you know what, I'm going to trust them that when they say it's a live, it's actually live. And even if you're just trying to defend Hololive, shitting on the OG isn't going to win anyone over.

>> No.24992543

>>24969822
>investing in Mori

>> No.24995501

>>24969822
if I had an hour with that model I could do better than whoever Holo hired.
but lets be honest: the rigger put in the work for the amount holo was paying them.

>> No.24995788

>>24995501
does gura's rigger still work for cover?

>> No.24996114

>>24969822
Two reasons:
1. What I like to call the "Snuffy Effect", Snuffy got a popularity boost from her great tracking, thus indies wanting to replicate that have put money into better and better tracking as time goes on.
2. Nobody gives enough of a shit to try and raise the bar as a whole by raising a stink, so Hololive rarely improves it.

>> No.24996195

>>24995788
probably not? Last I think umishit did was Anya's second outfit, Gura got a new rigger with her dress. If i'm wrong though, please correct me.

>> No.24996482

Meh, i prefer looking at CodeMiko's real face, she's really cute, especially her nude, very nice boobs too

>> No.24996915

>>24969822
although still stylised, right is clearly more realistic which isn't compatible with the anime artstyle, not that left does it well anyways but this is a retarded comparison.

>> No.24998069

>>24969822
Consistent quality across many models vs high quality for one model.

>> No.24998460

>>24969925
Not an excuse. What about Yfu Baby? Suvi?

>> No.24998533

>>24970157
YFU Baby does one every other week.

>> No.25000222

>>24996195
fucking guy had to be someone's nephew. that or someone from their early days they never got around to firing

>> No.25006301

>>24969822
Anonchama... it's literally the exact same technology (X-Sens suit + Unreal Engine) and the only difference is that the hair is animated more thoroughly.

>> No.25006835

>>25000222
Checking through the wiki umishit's name only popped up for Gura, Coco, Matsuri, Anya and someone from another corpo. His earliest work was either Matsuri's 4th costume, or Gura.

>> No.25007592

>>24969822
>this thread again

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