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24824475 No.24824475 [Reply] [Original]

All I wanted were EN versions of JP Holos. Anime girls I could be some degree of parasocial with, maybe not Rushia tier, but able to come home after work every day and watch a fun stream. After nearly two years, I'm calling it. It's a failure. Western women simply aren't suited for streaming. The two that came closest were probably Kiara and Irys, but Kiara streams at Euro times and Irys is going through some arc that makes her not stream anymore. Plus they gave her a shit model. All the others just have various problems.

Mori: Fucking lmao
Ame: Great at big events, without her Hololive wouldn't be as successful as it is, but inconsistent when it comes to solo streams.
Gura: Inconsistent and holds Chumbuds at arm's length
Ina: Bland and inoffensive, but also holds her fans at arms length.
Bae: Loud and annoying
Sana: Doesn't stream
Kronii: Doesn't stream
Fauna: I'm not into cuckoldry
Mumei: See above

Hololive was the closest there was. Other EN chuubas are fucking dogshit.

>> No.24825013

Schizo

>> No.24825089

IRyS is getting better and going to return to her old self. Stay with her.

>> No.24825157

Stop crying and just watch JP.

>> No.24825175

Tell me you haven't given other corpos a chance without saying you've only tried holos and nijis.

>> No.24825197

>>24825089
No she won't I don't know what gave you that impression

>> No.24825237

>>24825175
corpos are niji lite or holo lite at this point

>> No.24825265

>>24825089
>going to return to her old self.
Was she a parasocial queen?

>> No.24825281

Man, fuck GFE.
What I fucking wanted was Holos to fill in the dead time slots. BUT LOL WE'RE GONNA STREAM DURING JP TIMES TOO.

>> No.24825299

>>24824475
Actually based. NijiEN girls (were) actually more suited for what you're after at the start, then the penis ruined everything. I've tried checking out other agencies but they're all whores or depressed from shitty management. Some indies are okay but you lose that family gen warmth. EN really was a mistake.

You're honestly better off doing what I did and learning some basic conversational Japanese, the kind of phrases you often see them saying in clips, then just watch JP exclusively and occasionally watch some EN clips if you're bored and want to see what they're up to.

>> No.24825352

>>24825197
She'll be fine. She's been great since her break.

>> No.24825754

>>24825175
Hasn't even tried Niji by the sound of it

>> No.24825854

>>24824475
Usually people that like Kiara's style of stream (being a bit more close/intimate with chat) like Pomu and she streams at regular NA hours

>> No.24825955

Goddamn, Nijishills just can never pass up an opportunity to try and push their whores can they?

>> No.24826291

>giving up fauna for doxxshit when some JP girls are married / have boyfriends as well

NGMI

>> No.24826415

>>24824475
Thank you for your input but i regret to inform you that you are nothing more than a whiny bitch
your post was not read
your opinion does not matter in the slightest
and you most of all matter even less

>> No.24826420

>>24824475
Great points, I agree. Especially with Ina. She's so boring.

>> No.24826475

>>24824475
>Discarting Kiara because of timezone as if JP was better
>Not discarting IRyS who stream in JP timezone
>Discarting Fauna for mild doxx shit compared to some JP
>Discarting Bae for being loud, when other JP are just as loud
You have everything you need for reasonable degree of parasocial, but you’re just a faggot making excuses.

>> No.24826677

>>24825175
>>24825754
OP said he was looking for the EN version of the HOLO JP members. You know full well NijiEN aren't that either. Granted I don't know every small corpo or indie EN chuuba, but I think what OP is searching for doesn't exist.

>> No.24826679

>>24825955
Tribalfags just can never pass up an opportunity to post dumb shit can they?

Seriously, why the fuck do you retards even watch VTubers? Literally a subcommunity that was built ontop of mutual promotion and collaborations. If Kizuna AI, the other OGs, and then Holo and Niji had been tribalfags like you are, I bet none of you would even be here today. Do you actually realize how much you're embarrassing yourselves?

>> No.24827622

>>24825265
More like held captive by her old fanbox fans

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>Tribalfags just can never pass up an opportunity to post dumb shit can they?
>Seriously, why the fuck do you retards even watch VTubers? Literally a subcommunity that was built ontop of mutual promotion and collaborations. If Kizuna AI, the other OGs, and then Holo and Niji had been tribalfags like you are, I bet none of you would even be here today. Do you actually realize how much you're embarrassing yourselves?

>> No.24828879

>>24826679
>Thread about Holos, OP explicitly states that he thinks other EN chuubas are dogshit
>Nijiniggers come in anyways "HEY HAVE YOU TRIED POMU?"

>> No.24829471

>>24824475
>Anime girls I could be some degree of parasocial with
> he wants to be parasocial
Ngmi

>> No.24829551

>>24828879
>OP explicitly states that he thinks other EN chuubas are dogshit
Yeah and he also stated he doesn't like any of the HoloENs. So what are we supposed to do, recommend him someone he already listed himself?

>> No.24829583

Why do some many members of Holo EN dump their problems on people in member streams? if you don't do GFE don't do this either. nobody cares

>> No.24829862

>>24829583
Tighter sense of community

Nobody could or should clip you too.

>> No.24830279

>>24824475
Parasocial niggers get the rope

>> No.24830441

>>24824475
>I'm not into cuckoldry
It's not like you ever had a fucking chance to begin with, faggot.

>> No.24830612

>Kiara streams at Euro times.
Do people really not VoD watch? I catch almost all of Kiara's content on VoD, and when I do get lucky and the stars align, I get to interact with chat and her making it just a little more special. You should really give her a shot and get over the VoD fears. If you do, be aware that her streaming is gonna be a little shorter than she used to do given she's going to be trying to set up more off-collabs in the near future and they aren't as easy as taking 2 days off to catch a train and spend the night at a coworkers house.

>> No.24831008

>>24824475
Western culture != Eastern culuture. You were never going to get a perfect simulation of the JP experience but in English.
Look towards indies if you want a parasocial experience, but that "close family bond" of HoloJP just does not exist in the EN space.

>> No.24831535

>>24824475
After years of thotery and e-girl bullshit did you really expect for western women to play the character of a "real, cute and wholesome" anime girl? This place alone is the best library on how the modern female brain works

>> No.24831601

Rushia had a BF. Your getting cucked no matter what continent your chuubas are from.

>> No.24831606

>>24831008
Can you really blame them given how fucking far spread apart most of them are? Riding a train for a few hours in JP will get most of the JP members to one-another, and they can even do easier shit like meeting in the middle and using a hotel. From what I could tell, here's the breakdown of travel times for any of the EN1 meeting up.
Ina -> Ame = 5 hour plane flight.
Ame -> Gura = 6 hour plane flight
Gura -> Mori = 16 hour plane flight
Kiara -> Ame = 13 hour plane flight
Ina -> Kiara = 9.5 hour plane flight
That's exactly why we saw a decent chunk of TakaMori at the start when they were actually around each other (but still had the newness jitters) and why we're actually seeing some off collabs now given that there's more of EN2 around each other and EN1 members.

>> No.24831826

>>24824475
Please stop making us look bad. GFE is a FANTASY that you are welcome to partake in, but just know that it is just a fantasy before you get too disillusioned

>> No.24831861

>>24824475
You clearly want something parasocial, but that doesn't mean they aren't "suited for streaming" you are just lonely.

>> No.24831930

>>24824475
Learn 日本語, EOP-kun Lamy will send you a wedding ring and you can introduce her to your parents.

>> No.24831987

>>24831606
>Ina -> Ame = 5 hour plane flight.
>Ame -> Gura = 6 hour plane flight
>Gura -> Mori = 16 hour plane flight
>Kiara -> Ame = 13 hour plane flight
>Ina -> Kiara = 9.5 hour plane flight
quick, run an algorithm to locate them

>> No.24832013

>>24826291
Redpill me on this. I think fubuki is married but apart from that I can't think of any others

>> No.24832148

>>24831606
Clearly they all just need to meet in an equal middle point between all their locations, problem solved :)

>> No.24832194

>>24825089
You are free to think this, but please maintain perspective and remember the deabeats "Mori season 2" cope or whatever.

>> No.24832323

>>24829583
All chuubas do this to varying degrees. The JP girls do it a lot more, partially because they post regular member only community posts, something EN girls don't do.

>> No.24832586

>>24831008
>"close family bond"
They (Japanese members) all live in the same country at most a few hours/minutes from each other.
It's not just cultural, there is physical distance between the English branch. How can there be such a "family bond" when they all have yet to meet each other in person?

>> No.24832975

>>24831008
the close family bond doesnt exist either, its mostly an act.
that doesnt mean they dont like eachother or arent close to eachother but playing up your closeness is a good way to gain money and good will from the others and their fans.

>> No.24833152

>>24832975
Some of them live together or in the same building. Family bond or not, they're constantly exposed to each other and quite close as a result

>> No.24833184

Let me give you a hug anon.

>> No.24833271

>>24824475
Bye then Felicia, don't let the door hit ya on the way out of the fandom.

>> No.24833277

>>24833152
yes, correct.
i wasnt saying they arent close hence why i said the second sentience to clarify.

>> No.24833345

>>24826475
Newfag here. Please tell me there is an EN version of Korone that isn’t a slutty thot. Please help.

>> No.24833538

>>24833345
Anon...you're asking if there's another one of a kind VTuber. I think you know the answer to that.

>> No.24833568

>>24830441
That's pretty funny to me. People /here/ either have no idea what cuckoldry is, or they are unironically delusional enough to think chuubas are their girlfriends. I'm not sure which.

>> No.24833771

>>24833345
How about a JP version of Korone that IS a slutty thot?

>> No.24833893
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24833893

>>24831008
Okay well then can we stop getting the “ywnbj” reply every time we mention this? They act like it’s just because it’s a person talking in English. It’s a completely different experience. I wish it was the same only in English because I’m too tired after work to do reps every day.

>> No.24833976

>>24833345
We once had an entire thread that lasted almost three days talking about how there isn't really another Korone period, let alone one in EN. Korone also has the same health problems and stress that everyone else gets, which is why she's in a semi-hiatus state regularly now. You want these people to regularly take breaks and not stream some retro RPG for 15 hours at a time.

>> No.24834350

>>24833893
>It’s a completely different experience
It’s a completely different experience because you cannot understand 90%-99% of the content and you only ever see the highlights

>> No.24835698

>>24833976
there probably are others like korone but theyre either male or too small to notice

>> No.24835753

>>24824475
>All I wanted were EN versions of JP Holos
why, that would make them not Japanese?

>> No.24835850

>>24824475
Twitch VTubers are better than Hololive EN and Nijisanji EN, and I am tired of pretending they aren't

>> No.24835852

>>24833771
That's just Korone, she's literally a single mother.

>> No.24835863

>>24834350
That's not how it is, they're women so they speak very emotionally so you understand most of what they're saying even when you don't.

>> No.24835872

>>24828879
You should try pomu

>> No.24835927

>>24835850
Twitch is like 90% unironic whores and 10% good indie chuubas

>> No.24835985

>>24835850
Oh well I have YouTube Premium and I’m not switching

>> No.24836002

>>24824475
EN was a mistake. These bitches are lazy, unfunny, and actively work to undo the years of ground work laid by their senpai. They rake in all the benefits afforded them by the JP talents and yet they are still ungrateful and resent Hololive as a whole. The money, fame, and easy living is not enough for them. I hope they choke.

>> No.24836043

>>24836002
meds

>> No.24836064

>>24832013
I think Lui, Mio and Aki are married too. I wonder how they truly feel about streaming to parasocial lonely faggots

>> No.24836120

>>24836064
They like the money

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>> No.24836136

>>24836064
Lui and Mio aren't

>> No.24836333

>>24826475
>Discarting Fauna for mild doxx shit compared to some JP
>>24826291
>giving up fauna for doxxshit when some JP girls are married / have boyfriends as well
There are 5 JP girls for every bad egg, nobody with any sense of dignity gets parasocial like that with Aki or Matsuri and oftentimes girls like Fubuki even discourage it.
Stop taking the worst examples of GFE in JP and pretending that they justify EN having none.

>> No.24836412

>>24833771
okayu

>> No.24836517

>>24824475
>wants to be parasocial
>says he’s not into cuckoldry
>thinks that separates EN from JP

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24836825

Don't know why people care about marriage. y
You could break up a marriage.
But you will never meet your oshi.

>> No.24836972

>>24835927
>10%
Generous

>> No.24836999

>>24836064
I’m pretty sure the rrat with Lui was that she swore off relationships after going through a string of abusive boyfriends.

>> No.24837074

>>24824475
Western streamers are too self-conscious and awkward to do GFE. It's a different culture. It will only create schizos who'll send letter bombs in the mail when they find out she's dating someone IRL

>> No.24837413

>>24837074
Those two things are completely separate.
Sure, western women don't seem to do it.
Asian men are more violent towards women.

>> No.24839425

>>24837074
>It will only create schizos who'll send letter bombs in the mail when they find out she's dating someone IRL
lmao
implying as if japschizos aren't already at that level or worse

>> No.24840256

>>24824475
Aren't half the JP chuubas literally housewives or divorced middle-aged women? And then leftovers are people like Pekora (e-thot, known bf from NND days) and Matsuri (lol).

>> No.24840364

>>24840256
Whats the relation to that and OPs complaints of EN girls not streaming or being annoying?

>> No.24840451

>>24840364
The OP complained about wanting EN versions of JP Holos, but ends up just ranting about EN Holos without describing what's so good about JP Holos when it's the same flavor of shit all the way down.

>> No.24840552

>>24840451
It's not the same at all.
Yours are troon complaints, his are rational.

>> No.24840568

>>24839425
>at that level
They already are. Irl idols get stalked and assaulted by psychopath nips often and I’m honestly surprised it hasn’t happened to any of the jp vtubers yet. Out west we got out share of nutcases but nips are next level.

>> No.24840601

>>24840552
What's rational about them?

>> No.24840616

>>24840601
They're based on how they are as streamers

>> No.24840651

>>24824475

The problem here is "EN".

The moment you're westernized, you develop western values and stuff. You finally get to understand those EN SJW shit you see on Twitter, etc and it changes you.

The closest thing are JPs that learned decent English but aren't westernized (yet).

>> No.24840719

>>24840568
I think something will happen eventually, it always does. I mean one of the chuubas is always announcing where you can find her at any given time.

>> No.24840844

>>24840719
I hope it doesn’t happen but jp otaku are ravenous. Wasn’t Tamaki threatened or something because he wasn’t a real trap and was actually a married woman? Could have sworn I read that somewhere

>> No.24840960

>>24840844
I mean, the Mel situation happened. I think this stuff is a very real possibility because we’ve already seen it happen.

>> No.24841476

Well you are sorta in luck, Kiara+IRyS collab next week
Wonder how it will turn out and how hard THEY HATE EACH OTHER posters are gonna get btfo

>> No.24841557

>>24825089
irys is going to become a loli?

>> No.24843150

>>24840719

Well yeah, I've already stalked Eilene for example, but only for lulz, I got the buzz from doing it. But nothing more than that.

It's really so easy to do.

>> No.24843299

>>24831987
Kek, honestly everyone knows where Kiara is, living in a country with 10 million of inhabitants where the vast majory of the populations is at the right half of the country is like a lot of information

>> No.24843377

>>24825854
But pomu talks with men, yuck

>> No.24843452

>>24835850
Well the default thought after hearing Twitch VTubers are Vshojo, so you can guess why no one believes you.

>> No.24845118

>>24824475
>"Anime girls I could be some degree of parasocial with"
kys

>> No.24845220

>>24825299
what do you mean by penis ruined everything?
Harassments and things?
i don't follow nijisanji at all due to lack of time but i always admired the fact that they let the F and M talents mingle and collab freely

>> No.24847767

>>24824475
I just wanted a chuuba that was into gfe without being a whore, just say nice things and act horny sometimes, but mostly be encouraging for everyone to keep working hard at life. Couldn't find it in corpo EN chuubas so went for 2view, and they're all either whores or outright tells chat we're not friends and she is not chat's girlfriend.

>> No.24847943

>>24845220
They collab with the men a lot. That's basically it. I watch them and I'm sensitive as fuck about any hint of that shit, but the truth of the matter is they just treat the dudes as punching bags because they know it's a funny joke. The dudes also have ridiculously slanted female audiences so imagine how they feel.

>> No.24849163

>>24836064
Lui was living with her parents and sitting around at night reading the JP equivalent to Harlequin romance novels (josei light novels) when she wasn't working herself to death at a black company. I don't think she's married and if she was it would be to me

>> No.24849514

>>24825197
Just just streamed a full week schedule. Watch streams

>> No.24851083

It's weird, now that I think about it. Why ISN'T there a reliable GFE vtuber? Literally just someone dedicated to channeling otakushit, while promising total freedom from IRL drama the way hololive is supposed to?
There's a reason the majority of the GFE guys stick to hl, and that's the professionalism of it. But it's still too big, with not enough opsec, so the rrats come out anyway (to say nothing of the vapid illusory EN cast.). Surely it wouldn't be that hard for one chuuba to stand alone as an honest, character-only internet personality?

>> No.24851247

how many times do we have to have these threads before everyone just knows the answer to them is just Amano Nene?

>> No.24851303

>>24824475
>Fauna: I'm not into cuckoldry
>Mumei: See above
absolutely based

>> No.24851428

>>24851247
i only know corpotubers, just holo and niji, and i don't like niji very much because it feels like high school all over again.
sell me on your oshi?

>> No.24851495

>>24851247
It's literally her shtick and she gets off on it. It's why she's head and shoulders above her peers.

>> No.24851608

>>24849163
I made this post.

>> No.24851677

>>24851428
She's not my oshi but she's basically exactly what
>>24851083
describes, extremely professional EN/JP GFE chuuba with great opsec and who seems like she genuinely cares for her fans, and just enjoys and has enthusiasm for doing gfe. To give you an idea, she recently started trying to memorize all of her fans' birthdays (she's a 3view)

ask /pkg/ for more specifics or just check out her asmr vods

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>>24833345
there's somebody you might be interested in if your type is cheerful hags playing retro games.

>> No.24852575

>>24852073
Can confirm.
t. Koronesuki

>> No.24852715

>>24824475
Be the change you want to see and create that vtuber company

>> No.24852720

>>24826679
4chan would be better off without this board and people like you.

>> No.24852928

>>24851677
thanks for the recommendation anon! I'll check her out for sure

>> No.24853080

>>24825175
it was not his point, but I can assure you that every other corpo or indie that is on twitch at least doesn't come near what op is looking for, you could have something that comes near but not completly

>> No.24853678

>>24847943
yesterday I was watching an indie and she usually is a bit gfe, I don't watch her a lot nor I'm actually obsessed/in love/ unicorn/ or even subbed in the first place but the streamer started nice and then she went in a call with another streamer male for hours basically, and I after a bit I just shut the stream because I'm not here to watching them chitchattting, but just a girl being funny and doing nice shit

>> No.24853728

(You) will never find happiness because (You) don't actually seek it

>> No.24854346

>>24852073
didn't she talk about fucking guys in one of her streams?
I am not into NTR

>> No.24854564

>>24854346
what? where? stop spreading bullshit.
not to mention that you'd have to have a chance with her to get even remotely close to cuckoldry.

>> No.24854608

>>24854564
>instant cope
one of her streams she was talking about bringing guys back for some "coffee"

>> No.24854644

>>24854608
no such stream ever existed. now please go back to your discord.

>> No.24854665

Pippa? Lisa? I have no time for 2view EN but those are the name I heard before so you can have a try.

>> No.24854718

>>24854665
>Pippa
lying kiwifarms schizo
>Lisa
cringy loud zoomer

>> No.24854752

>>24854644
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JShfI_vMwxY&t=11175s
cope

>> No.24854801

>>24854752
and what does it prove except for your schizophrenia?

>> No.24854821

>>24854801
>denial

>> No.24854838

>>24854821
in order to deny something you'd have to post truth.

>> No.24854891

>>24854838
>bargaining

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>>24854891
>Nigger

>> No.24854941

>>24854926
>anger

>> No.24854967

Pikamee?

>> No.24854969

>>24836064
How to spot a newfag.

>> No.24855082

>>24854608
Nigga every single chuuba with enough charisma to be mildly popular has fucked several men by this point in their lives. Go find another hobby

>> No.24855167

>>24854718
Damn people actually watched them. I only kinda first watched Lisa for her RWBY short cover. Passable but that's it.

>> No.24855209

>>24855082
For some, it's only Japanese men.

>> No.24855309

>>24824475
Bae IS a EN version of JP Holos. She just happened to be the EN version of the annoying squeaky JP holos (so over half of all JP Holos)

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>>24854967

>> No.24856212

>All I wanted were EN versions of JP Holos
I didn't.
If you don't like something, you can just not consume it. It's not healthy to force yourself to watch things you dislike.

>> No.24856237

just hire a fucking prostitute

>> No.24857538

>>24853080
Why does it matter if it's twitch or not? Anyways, there are a bunch of parasocial streamers from (ex) tsunderia and cyberlive, also nene amano.

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>>24835850

>> No.24857976

If you aren't parasocial with your oshi then you are what's ruining vtubing and don't belong here. Cucks ruin everything.

>> No.24858248

>>24857976
BAP thanks for your lunch money kid i'm sure you don't need it since your spending it on what's it call? Vee Tubers?

haha stop crying in the bathroom

>> No.24858710

>>24858248
gay larp

>> No.24858976

>>24858710
whoosh KEKW

>> No.24859035

>>24858976
nope

>> No.24859157

>>24824475

>they don't have boyfriends unless I see proof of it

So you're just retarded then. If you think fauna and mumei are "cucking" you even though their boyfriends have nothing to do with their hololive character, then you're also definitely getting cucked by whoever you like in JP.

>> No.24859270

just watch JP
do your reps
u will learn slowly over time but in the long run will have a better experience watching superior streamers

>> No.24859337

>>24859270
Watched JP for two years
Learned barely any Japanese, I regret it

>> No.24859759

>>24824475
>I'm not into cuckoldry
>All I wanted were EN versions of JP Holos
???

>> No.24859806

>>24859337
Watching streams and doing reps are seperate activities anon

>> No.24864887

>>24857976
This but unironically

>> No.24865157

Truth is there is no difference between JP and EN, only different girls exist and they can be good or bad.
Botan good

>> No.24865891

>>24825157
/thread

>> No.24866196

>>24865157
I need a Botan in EN 2bh.
>Good in FPS and Games in general
>Cute and Funny but is a hag (still works pretty well though)
>Well-designed model
>Non-GFE, she's pretty much a sistuber and it's cool that way

>> No.24866277

>>24824475
Take the HE pill, thinking man.

>> No.24866423

I would love to enjoy Kiara but she's got this "popular girl" energy that just turns me off so much. I hate knowing that she was one of *those* girls in high school.

>> No.24866701

>>24854752
you feel cucked because she improvised a story?

>> No.24866890

>>24857976
>Cucks
parasocial gfe-fags are always talking about cucks and cucking
i wonder why...

>> No.24868886

>>24866423
she was too busy studying japanese to be anything like that

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