so what's the difference between these two companies?

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[Anonymous No.]

One is primarily for normalfaggot clip watchers and GFE addicts who think the streamer is their girlfriend
And one isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
One is successful.

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>>24748187
The other one is for twitch exiles and thots who think they're cool shit for following le vtuber scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Holo is good
Niji is bad
Simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
one is pandering to china
one got ties cut with it

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>>24748187
Spoken like a true tranny, I'm proud of you.

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>>24748164
One throws their female employees under the bus for chink money.

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>>24748187
he's not wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
If you look at their logos you will notice that one is a club sandvich and the other is a pie chart.

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>>24748164
one has fags pretending to be chads, other is just girls though some are questionable.

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>>24748164
One have an ID branch, the other one doesn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Hololive is an idol company. Niji is memes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
One has a spray and pray approach with tons of livers and they market the ones that make massive bank more.

The other is an idol company.

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>>24748164
Nijisanji takes influence NND culture and Japanese television, and aims for a more general audience.
Hololive bases its content on idol culture and aims for an "otaku" audience.

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>>24748164
>Hololive
Watch
>Nijisanji
Not Watching

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
>Hololive is for normalfags
>Hololive is for idolfags and GFE
These cups don't stack.

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>>24748187
Where does this forced enmity towards GFE come from? only women hate that stuff and sure as fuck you aren't a woman, faggot.
In the first place, Ame is literally the only one who does GFE stuff in Hololive. Some girls in Nijisanji are even better at GFE than Ame.

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>>24748164
Quality Control

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>>24748872
GFE is for people who don't have girlfriends

[Anonymous No.]

One has this girl the other one doesn’t

[Anonymous No.]

The only ones I can think of are the approach to debuting new members and the matter of segregation between the talents. Some might say the content is different but I don't really see it.

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>>24749009
Are you, perhaps, implying you do have a gf, yet also have the time to follow chuubas and /vt/ deeply enough to know what gfe means and literally get triggered about it and rant in meta threads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748839
Hololive's fanbase is made up of both surface-level fans who watch clips and don't even know that other vtubers exist and virgin NEETs who get mad whenever a male appears on screen, that should be clear

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
NijiJP is wholesome with some chaos
HoloJP is chaotic with some wholesomeness

HoloEN is big views, but stale content
NijiEN is stale views, but big content

NijiID and HoloID are wildcards because ID girls are the type of girls that could grind your pelvis to dust in a 4 hour session and still have the time to play LoL for another 4 hours

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>>24748652
Bay zed

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>>24748187
Reminder that nijicucks hate gfe because they're a bunch of trannies who will never be a woman.

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>>24748164
I don't give a shit about companies. I individually watch vtubers that I resonate with the most or that I just like. I watch Patra, Fubuki, Selen (solo content), Ironmouse and Amelia. Sometimes I watch Saruei or Onolumi if I like what they are playing.
The one I resonate with the most is Ame, she's my oshi, so I'm more predisposed to watch streams of people around her or things that are at least related to her, but that's about it

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>>24748164
>NIJI
>is throwing all kind of shit until something stick, cutting out entire branches and projects when they are not successful
>more successful chuuba are privileged while some other livers can’t even make a living
Basically a black company

>Holo
>Seniority is privileged regardless of success
>Keep pushing for holostar until it becomes profitable
>Careful (you could say TOO careful) about its image and branding. So far that even the talents themselves feel limited and without creative freedom
Basically a black company

>Both
>Low investment and high reward and will not provide the bare minimum support to their talents that you would expect from them
Basically black companies

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>>24749528
You have obviously never seen a real black company

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>>24749528
Ogey

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>>24749179
yeah. I think you're pretty disconnected from the real world if you think you can't have a gf and post on 4chan at the same time, but that says a lot about you.

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>>24748164
One has a cute blonde haired English member the other has a cuter blonder haired English member.

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>>24748164

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>>24749179
Do you know what a rant is? How old are you?

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>>24749692
>I'm totally not like those other guys and my gf is real I swear

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>>24749919
having a girlfriend isn't an accomplishment to anyone over the age of 16 bro . its normal so why are you surprised?

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>>24748187
Imagine thinking that GFE is a bad thing. Nijifags showing themselves for the cucks they are, as usual.

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>>24748872
>Ame is literally the only one who does GFE stuff in Hololive
This is the dumbest thing I've read on this board in a VERY long time

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>>24748187
>GFE
Literally no one in HoloEN or NijiEN does GFE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750093
You can't be a cuck if you're not a loser who thinks the streamer is their girlfriend kek. Holofags literally shit themselves and break down whenever there's a male voice on stream.

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>>24748164
The first allows their streamers to be retards and whores who like to talk about creampies and sucking dicks, moreover allows them to fuck each other (straight fuck allowed too, not just yuri bait).
The other is not like the first.

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>>24748164
the name

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>niji is bad because they talk about SEX
do holobabies really?

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>>24749528
I'm trying to figure out which is worse, when Niji let their talents bully a girl into quitting, or when Cover gave chinese anti's the keys to Coco's channel and then fired her some months later

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>>24748187
fpbp

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>thinly veiled "shit on Nijisanji" thread

yeah it's SEA hours

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>>24749793
I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Pomu would absolutely body and bully Ame into a -tommy hart- tier shutdown

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>>24750284
Most of these Holo "Fans" only watch EN, or they'd very quickly realize that girls in JP and ID pump these stories out like clockwork
Hell, Moona had a speech about her love of killing unicorns

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>>24750284
>being proud of following whore chuubas
You really showed them how straight you are my man.

>>24749692
Taking it up in the ass doesn't count.

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>>24748164
One still clings to the Chinese to stay afloat

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>>24750318
>you can't dislike whores! are you kidding me?

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>>24748164
Hololive = Quality
Nijisanji = Quantity

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>>24750494
hololive is made up of whores who aren't allowed to talk about being whores because it hurts the fans feelings
hololive fans want to watch a streamer who reminds them of themselves, AKA loveless virgins

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750287
>holofag EOPs still think the bullypanda meme is real

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>>24750548
They rode trains of cocks and had plenty of relationships, every single one of them. What part of this is relatable by a "loveless virgin"?
Enlighten me, sir totally not another nijicuck trying to sound clever.

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>>24748164
Honestly?
Nijisanji feels more like listening in on a Discord call. Plenty of people find that type of content fun, but there's also a lot of screaming, people talking over one another, and you have a better insight into the interpersonal drama, tensions, and psychological issues within the group.
Hololive feels more polished and professional. It's definitely aiming to be the streaming equivalent of 'cute girls doing cute things,' taking more inspiration from the likes of K-On! than stuff like Twitch culture. As a result, you can definitely feel that the content is regulated, which many people don't like.
Also, Hololive talents generally put more effort into connecting with their chats, whereas Nijisanji talents feel more connected to their fellow livers. But obviously it varies.

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>>24750530
>Fire your top earners
>a good chunk of your JP girls keep using "sore throat" to leave for basically ever
>Keep backburner retards like Sana and Kronii around
>Let your talents dog on their own fanbase like Ollie and Moona
>"Quality"
Though Nijisanji is right, they need to chill with wave after wave

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>>24750688
Wow what a misinformed post full of wrong information, it's almost like you're a typical catalogue nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750594
I seek council then, oh wise anon. Educate me on the truth of all things

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>>24748187
>One has a target audience they pander to and are successful for it.
Sounds right to me.

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>>24748164
You can ask holofags to name every holomems.
You can't ask nijifags to name every niji livers.

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>>24750717
Moruru debuted alongside Honma and Sasaki, two of the nicest and most popular girls in Nijisanji
She was a bit distant from the rest of Gamers and more low-energy but never really excluded
She leaves, makes a cryptic tweet complaining about someone in her former company.
People meme that Sasaki bullied her because Sasaki acts brash and bratty-ish on stream
Schizos and EOPs then end up taking this at face value despite there being 0 evidence of anything happening between them.

You've probably never watched a single second of Sasaki's content, haven't you?

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>>24750905
Being a nijifag is a status symbol, they don't even watch nijisanji but they love to talk shit about hololive, their global general is so dead that even Risu's general is faster. They come to this board just to pretend to be superior to everybody else while being the most pathetic posters at the same time.

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>>24750715
So Coco and Rushia weren't forcibly removed from Hololive/Cover?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750905
nope

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>>24751019
No cataloguenigger, one bargained out of her own contract (it's been implied by Yagoo and others they did everything they could to have her re-sign) and the other was terminated for violating her contract guidelines
Your replies to me from hereon out will be worthless because you're clearly a retard who's been fed the information of retarded discordniggers

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>>24751020
retard

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>>24748164
Nijisanji has shit models for starts

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>>24751020
Imagine caring about ID and EN.

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>>24751131
ID and EN are still holomems

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji's entertainment in a nutshell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcX9elTpUBs&t=448s

[Anonymous No.]

>>24751087
too bad in her graduation month vods she mentions multiple times she was only left with the option of graduation after middle management oidashibeya'd her for months
So she "quit" in the same way companies ask employees to resign/quit because it's cheaper and faster than a full on termination

Now 6 girls in JP have or are currently missing, most of whom have stated sore throat. Your response?

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>>24751171
Can you just summarize it?
I only watch hololive.

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>>24751171
Hololive's entertainment in a nutshell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jq4FWQW1WM&ab_channel=IrohaTranslation

[Anonymous No.]

the difference is do your reps

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>>24751163
Might as well be considered a completely different entity, absolutely different branch and audiences, and yet still lower numbers than the whole of the JP niji branch.

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>>24750980
>You've probably never watched a single second of Sasaki's content, haven't you?
Not that anon, but yes.
I only watch hololive.

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>>24751090
>>24751131
>t-those don't count

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>>24751324
They don't, just like I don't count niji EN as niji.
You should always compare JP to JP and EN to EN. Everyone know the EN branch from both are absolute garbage as a whole in comparison.

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>>24751267
I swear this woman will soon be in jail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM3OGGvvZww&t=3s

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
Fucking this

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>>24751267
>using marine yaoi jokes for your pro-whore propaganda
The absolute state of nijicucks. First of all Marine is religious and conservative, putting this aside, she's talking about something completely different, she's not talking about her favorite creampie depth like a nijiwhore would, because she's not a whore.
When a girl starts talking about that sort of stuff what it means is obvious, it means she takes a lot of creampies, so many that she could develop a liking towards different depths of creampie, almost worse than a literal street prostitute.

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>>24751480
>she's not talking about her favorite creampie depth like a nijiwhore would,
What the fuck?

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>>24751480

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>>24748187
So the Nijisanji males?

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>>24751480
Just because there's a couple bad apples in Nijisanji doesn't necessarily means they're all whores, their fans watch them just for a moment's laugh, they aren't real Nijisanji fans. Take someone like Ichigo who's suffering from depression. If you hate those whores then you should support the other good girls like Ichigo in order to let Nijisanji understand that they're going in the wrong direction but you couldn't even protect Ichigo's smile.

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>>24751839
>Ichigo
Who?

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>>24750657
the part where they intentionally pretend to not be whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>24751991
This cute and funny little girl: https://youtu.be/LiZPaWx8krA

[Anonymous No.]

>>24752281
How did I not know about this girl until now... I'm going to cry loudly enough for both of us, this way she won't have to cry anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

One is based (the one I like) and the other is for niggers (the one I don't like). Simple as.

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>>24749205
>and virgin NEETs who get mad whenever a male appears on screen
I fear NijiEN has people like this too... or did we forget the offcollab between Pomu and Finana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24751839
>there's more than just whores in nijisanji! we got this one good girl here who streams a lot, like... once every other month

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>>24748164
Holo is adult daycare for failsons, essentially like those YT channels that just play elsa spiderman videos to entertain toddlers long enough for their parents to get some peace. There's no substance there, it's all just larping to drain money out of mentally ill losers who use livestreamers as a substitute for social interaction.

Niji are just regular streamers that use an avatar. There's no required image or rules beyond not showing your face. They have a wide variety of content and don't pander to schizos.

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>>24753906
this

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>>24748164
nijisanji is purely a vtuber agency, cover develops shit for vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>24753906
Niji is just a bunch of twitch streamers who took a wrong turn, there's nothing original about it. If you believe otherwise you're delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

Nice to see that Nijikeks have no real arguments against Hololive.

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>>24748164
one has luna
one had luna

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji started out as a free for all streamers where you're free to do what you want and now it's slowly turning into a Fujo's paradise, This is before even Luxiem joined, Only the males are prospering over there.

Holo, Struggled and had to look for an opening in the market because Nijisanji was dominating, decided to focus on the idol route, People call it a closed con because they don't usually get involved with outsiders and people like that, Majority don't get involved with men which some fans like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
Meanwhile one of the infamous "GFE" streamers hit 3.96M today.

Trannies will never be women and whores will always be whores.

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive = Innovators of the vtubing medium, traditionalists that keep the spirit of vtubing alive
Nijisanji = Literally just normies but with anime avatars, content would be no different if they switched to facecam

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750530
The only right opinion ITT

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750530
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>24753906
Why do you join a hobby you clearly hate more than anything and try to force your opinions on everyone else? You faggots already have been exiled from all other hobbies why do you feel the need to spread your aids-ridden tranny gashes onto everything else? Even your nijilivers wouldn’t think of themselves like that. You do not belong in any vtuber fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24754734
>Hololive = innovators
>Sora was pretty much just a Ai clone who streamed
>Hololive changed their model for content entirely after Nijisanji popularized l2d

[Anonymous No.]

>>24754734
Unironically this

[Anonymous No.]

>>24754734
basado

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>>24755035
No one tell this retard that Nijisanji came first and Holobronies are in fact the ones who "invaded" both vtubing and /jp/ with their mental illness.
Take your fucking meds faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive is closer to an idol company while Nijisanji is closer to a traditional streamer group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24754734
exactly, Nijisanji is a dime a dozen

[Anonymous No.]

>>24755266
The "invaders" seem to be doing pretty well considering they're spreading a "mental illness" on the vtuber genre, while your "traditional vtubers" (aka just a bunch of twitch streamers with 2d avatars) are doing 2view streams these days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Niji actually streams kek

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive looks up to Kizuna Ai.
Nijisanji is the goblino conglomerate of youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

the actual answer to this debate is that hololive has substance and style whereas niji has so much garbage and dilution that eventually it gets to have one hololive quality talent

[Anonymous No.]

>>24755939
>200+ vtubers vs 68 vtubers
I guess nijicucks aren't that good at math.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24755600
>when called out the tourist transparently brags about how much his kind outnumber the original fans and are therefore entitled to destroy vtubing to fit his kind's tastes at the expense of the original fans.
genuinely kill yourself
go sit in your parents' garage with the car engine running until you're no longer a waste of life that they feel constant disappointment towards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
One is good the other is Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756312
nijicope

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>>24756312
>destroy vtubing
Are you retarded? your image of vtubing is twitch with 2d avatars, literally the most generic garbage. You should be thankful that Hololive even "surpassed" niji in the first place, otherwise people wouldn't give a single shit about your shitty basic twitch thots, the interest that hololive generated allowed your pathetic twitch thots to gain more popularity than they deserved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756119
oh nonono the C O P E

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
FPBP

[Anonymous No.]

>JP
Not much
>EN
One of them actually streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>24751163
indogs aren't human

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone on this board actually watch both companies or do we just repeat what we heard about the other side?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756717
The biggest difference between the fanbases is that Niji fans are generally aware of Hololive and have watched some of their streams along with indies and 2view corpos to decide for themselves what they like. Hell when no one in Niji I like is streaming sometimes I'll watch Holos or Amiya or Phase Connect or something.

Holo fans are like applefags, they live in a bubble and just outwardly shittalk other companies without ever having left that bubble. It's annoying trying to interact with them, they don't even like vtubers, just Hololive.

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>>24754734
i think this post is correct
specifically holoJP -- i think nowadays people get into vtubers believing they're just entertainers with a live2D avatar, completely unknowing of the actual idol part of vtubing

holoJP, like said, looks up to kizuna AI and are traditionalists, while they stream and are entertaining, they actually do have to perform idol-like things - there is multiple solo concerts the talents have performed, there is sponsors, events, collabs that happen IRL (not to mention holofes), things like VARKs as well

they go through actual voice training and dance lessons (mentioned multiple times by various holos), holoJP are actual closer to virtual idols/traditional vtubers and hololive IS an idol company
i mostly say holoJP because they are involved the most, holoEN and holoID do get involved but i think its unanimous that JP is the main thing

nijisanji to my knowledge did have like a nijifes or something? i'm not aware of if they have as many IRL deals and such going on, but the group and their content seems more like just virtual streamers
anybody can do karaoke, release songs, stream, or whatever the modern vtuber illusion seems to be, but the actual spirit of vtubing -- concerts, events, the interactions is something i really only feel from holoJP and far older vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
Nihao

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
One hires chuubas that already proved themselves
Other hires as much as they can so some of them gets really succesfull

[Anonymous No.]

Both of their EN branches are garbage compared to the JP ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756480
>twitch thots
Cherry-picking again. If you actually watched nijisanji you'd know that there's more to it than twitch thots. They're just a loud minority that get all the attention from people who don't even purchase subscriptions, it's not a coincidence they aren't doing well with income even though they're some of the most popular niji streamers, check smaller channel and you'll find girls that are second to none in sweetness and friendliness, pic related is Alice and she does the cutest shit ever, check her recent stream. She's loyal to her lore AND to her fans.

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>>24757013
at the end of it i dont think theres anything wrong with either though
one is more leaning towards the traditional idol side of things
and the other is more like streamers but with anime avatars which can feel more comfy

i also think holostars deserves a honorable mention though because they genuinely feel like a group of dudes just having fun, hell they even get to collab with the CEO and play games with him
while they also have the benefits of live3d and personal concerts but without needing to adhere to traditionalism (for better or worse)

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756717
I watch and enjoy some of both. But I also shitpost against both in the respective threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24757228
>that one oni hag who fucked the vampire guy
>the one that can't stop thinking about creampies
>the other one that can't stop making references about dicks
Much lore, much sweetness, much loyalty. I don't know this one you're shilling about but I don't want to stay anywhere near anyone who hangs around whores like those. The whoreness is going to rub off on all other girls anyway, it's a matter of facts. See the creampie thot how rapidly gained approval from the other thots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24757340
>holostars deserves a honorable mention
No they don't, homobeggar

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756717
After reading the whole shit it's mostly the latter, yeah(except like five posts where it mentioned stuff about both sides)
I don't even think most of these niggers even know about /#/ when they brought up numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750450
Holowhores talk about sex all the fucking time

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
me, the observer, I choose Hololive because I'm not a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
hololi

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
fpbp

only hormonal teenagers and women want to be in a relationship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Hololive is way too safe. Especially on EN side. I almost completely stopped watching them. NijiEN is just much more varied and fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24759337
>source: my ass
CEO of Sex already graduated a while ago, for obvious reasons. Find me a single holo that talks about how she likes to get fucked and creampied and maybe we will have something to talk about because right now there's zero arguments against hololive on this matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756640
This really. NijiJP and HoloJP are both good. But HoloEN is infinitely inferior to NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

one has more restriction than the other in theory

in practice
their content is pretty much the same except other have more phasmo and apex collab with indies

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756717
I started watching vtubers with Ai and pretty much when through the entire journey until Myth happened and started taking so much of my time it became too hard to watch the rest. But then Nijis appeared and after I gave them a chance I started having way more fun watching them than Myth. Now with all those Niji waves I have no time for Hololive. I will watch HoloEN occasionally when some interesting stream happens but usually they are simply worse than Nijis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24759782
Now this is complete bullshit. NijiEN has way more variety and interesting streams. They also have streamers actually good at games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Hololive has idols, Nijisanji doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760186
Nobody in HoloEN is a real idol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760057
i dont think so. they collab more that is for sure but i could pretty much bring a similar stream of each niji with their holo counterpart.
only real difference is that one can play konami and china developed games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760230
This is bull shit and you know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760352
The closest "idols" are Mori and IRyS for singing talent, and maybe Kiara from all of her promotions

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760284
NijiEN has much more people and almost all of them stream much more than HoloEN. By sheer numbers you have much more interesting streams on Niji side. Also Nijis don't spam Minecrap and Nintendo shit the way Hololive does. You also get 10x more spontaneous collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
One has rainbow colors in it's logo, hard pass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760352
Yes dude Gura or Ame are such idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760443
>Also Nijis don't spam Minecrap and Nintendo shit the way Hololive does
If it was 4months ago sure...
but right now eveyrbody is doing minecraft on njien

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760433
>>24760493
>Gura isn't an idol
If you consider Mori a potential idol, there's no way Gura isn't one. She can sing and everyone and their dog know this, she does variety streams, she's cute and funny, non-ironically too.

If you're gonna ignore her qualities just because she's the most famous and most clipped and "popular bad" is your argument, you're simply deluding yourself. Her being a loli isn't an argument either, that only makes it better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Holo good Niji trash

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Nijisanji is more popular on 4chan. Hololive is more popular everywhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760863
>niji general barely gets like 5 replies per hour
>"more popular on 4chan"
The holo global general is constantly reply-maxed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24749300
t. never watched HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>24757013
>anybody can do karaoke, release songs, stream, or whatever the modern vtuber illusion seems to be, but the actual spirit of vtubing -- concerts, events, the interactions is something i really only feel from holoJP and far older vtubers
lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24757013
Niji has been having yearly concerts and stuff since 2019, back when gen 3 were 3views. You have to be joking or just have 0 knowledge of Niji somehow while knowing about older vtubers.

Like??? https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98
Just scroll down to the ライブイベント section.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760863

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760756
nta but being able to sing doesnt make an idol and those other criteria you said are criteria idols need, otherwise most of nijisanji would count as idols.
and just because you like her doesnt make her an idol faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760972
That poster probably meant relative to their popularity. Holo is still at least like 5x more popular in the western and SEA side of the world, yet the NijiEN general is frequently the 2nd fastest thread and they don't even talk about the JP members most of the time, usually only half or 70% as slow as global. The smallchuuba agencies also get relatively more participation but you would expect them to have way more dedicated fans here especially when they pander to 4chan unlike Niji,

[Anonymous No.]

>>24761234(me)
arent criteria*

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760863
You're on a board that only exists because of the colossal amount of people who watched a single GTAV clip from Miko

[Anonymous No.]

>>24761234
Being nice, a good singer and an entertainer who doesn't come out as a whore is what most idols have to offer, she's got talent with rhythm games as well. If you don't consider these qualities as valid, define what idol means to you otherwise you're a deluded nijicuck with no arguments.
Just because you don't like her it doesn't mean she's not an idol.

And no kek no one from Niji is this good as a character, unless you consider creampie worship as a quality that idols need... maybe when they hit the wall and turn to JAV.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24761343
It's so fucking weird how true this is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24761111
>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%AB%E3%81%98%E3%81%95%E3%82%93%E3%81%98

thanks, yeah i seem to be severely lacking in niji knowledge then, this makes me rethink the way i see the two then, i guess the main thing separating them is the culture (idol-like, traditionalism vs more streamer-like) then?
cause at least in my eyes one of the points that makes me see holo as idols was how many concerts/solo concerts, events, and irl sponsors/collabs that would happen with holo, but so far what i can see niji is similar

[Anonymous No.]

>>24761833
Yagoo would never want his chuubas to be compared to nijishits because nijishits got nothing of idol-like, as you were guessing they're just normal streamers with a 2d avatar, thinking you learned everything from a wikipedia article is stupid, participating to some event means shit. Go watch them, see for yourself what kind of people sell themselves as "idols" in niji then come back and feel stupid for comparing holo to niji for even a moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760863
Are you fucking delusional!?
Man sometimes posts like this remind me how actually mentally ill nijiposters are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24761208
why are you comparing the HoloEN thread to the NijiJP thread? the HoloJP and NijiEN threads are right there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24761833
I'm shilling Levi's free live for her 3rd anniversary to you because it was just last night and I have an excuse to shill it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRde0xfa-A

[Anonymous No.]

>>24762080
HoloJP doesn't have its own thread, almost everyone from HoloJP has her own personal general and every single one of them is faster than /2434/ too and talking of NijiEN that general has half the replies and you know the hype will soon die down since NijiEN second gen is a relatively recent thing, if you don't realize this simple fact then you may have severe retardation. Just typing hololive in the catalog should let you understand how deluded you are right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
One is a black company. The other one is Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
For Hololive you only need to know its shit.
If you don't know what Nijisanji is then you aren't worthy to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24761531
her individual talents matter very little to my point anon.
its hard to actually create a description of what an idol is because idols are just entertainers with a higher public perception requirements to meet.
a normal idol is usually a singer/performer who have a purer public image to uphold (compared to normal celebs), while also always working on their performance as part of their job.
ill give hololive leeways though with this definition because streaming prevents them from always practicing and enevitibly makes their public image more complicated to maintain since theyre broadcasting themselves a lot.
what does gura do most of the time other then stream as part of the job?
dont get me wrong, im not saying thats a bad thing, it just doesnt make her an idol.
most nijis meet the same requirements youve given gura but you wouldnt call them idols.
>>24762034
anon, a good amount of the earily holos were niji rejects, take that as you may.
let alone the fact theres quite a few former and current idols in niji, but theyre not the focus of nijisanji.
even gibera and lulu were idols within nijisanji before they left.
>>24762527
your correct on everything but the nijien latest wave thing, its been 3 months and nijien is still growing but not really because of the wave 5.
>>24762569
both have shitty upper management so it doesnt really matter whose better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24762527
Anon... Just use 4stats or the api instead of embarrassing yourself. Why in god's name are you using thread numbers or reply count instead of posts/min or ips.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24762800
>being unworthy of this filth
Thank goodness. You can have it all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763051
I assume you do use those things and have actual data that shows how niji threads have more ips and are faster than holo's? if not you might want to stop barfing needlessly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Nijisanji is for bitter contrarian niggers and chinks with no personality.
Hololive is for happy Japanese and Westerners of all races who enjoy watching the anime girl say funny things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763061
but anon marine also likes creampies, i dont see why you cant enjoy another creampie enjoyer

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763195
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>24754585
Gura is not GFE nor is anyone else in EN

[Anonymous No.]

imagine watching niji pffffffftttttt

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763275
Marine would never think to start a conversation with a similar sentence and she never boasted about fucking and getting creampied. That's just one of the many retards from niji, it's like you memory-holed the oni hag yab.

[Anonymous No.]

for the english side at least one is a good group of friends who enjoy eachother and love streaming, on the other is a bunch of money grubbing sociopaths

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763150
>more ips and are faster
yea yea tourist shit on those threads it's not an achievement. Just that niji is harassed more

[Anonymous No.]

What's the point of this thread? Do holobronies and nijiniggers think they can convince the other side to stop watching their respective companies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24762266
only about 15minutes in so far, but i really like levis' singing voice and char design actually, the trio with keisuke & joe is really fun i love the way theyre moving around, you may have sold me

is levi a hag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763986
im here more so to refute stupid bullshit anons are say, i dont care who they watch at the end of the day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763986
There is really no point in talking to nijiniggers, they're so far down the twitch goblin hole that nothing will make them understand how mediocre their oshi actually is, yet they keep talking shit about hololive, with their below mediocre standards, unironically believing they got taste for being subbed to some twitch thot with a 2d model branded nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji is poised to become the largest streaming company in Japan. After their successful IPO, brands will come begging left and right to have livers shill for them.

Meanwhile Hololive will fail to branch out with their gacha game and manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24764397
You people really are just like consoleniggers

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763989
In-character she's about 6 years old or something but uh.. yeah. Also she has a fetish for the Forbidden Siren series and will watch/collab with anyone that plays it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748365
I am a real tranny and I love GFE faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763986
notice how your second reply literally couldn’t go two words without making it about another company. Practically didn’t even actually address your post just made it an excuse to further bolster their position.
this is all the board is in a nutshell anon. not even this thread, it’s the entire board

[Anonymous No.]

>>24749793
Underrated post. If you haven't watched Alice at least once then you cannot say to have watched niji at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760433
>Calli
>singing
You're quite a joker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24764602
>my oshi is a prostitute I'm so edgy I'm so unique

[Anonymous No.]

NijiEN shills are some of the most cancerous people on this board, I swear

[Anonymous No.]

>>24764670
seethe more

[Anonymous No.]

>>24764670
If you translate her lyrics to japanese she sounds badass, swear words are viewed much differently in japan and they don't make you edgy as they would if you said them in english. She's loved in japan because she's cool and relatable. Can't deny that to me she just sounds edgy though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24764670
If anything I'm surprised you picked Mori out of that post but not IRyS

[Anonymous No.]

>>24762950
hell yeah, the voice gave it away but thats a good thing
finished the whole live, yeah that was great, the ending song was lovely, thank you for the shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>24765547
Not him but this makes me curious, is she bad? I mean... it's HER isn't it? her power level must be pretty high. I don't follow her because her face reminds me of the funny orange guy.

[Anonymous No.]

one of them culls their weakest streamers
one of them culls their strongest streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>24762950
>most nijis meet the same requirements youve given gura but you wouldnt call them idols.
Like who? maybe 2 of them out of 200 and over vtubers. Nobody in niji is worth of the term idol because they never signed up for that, but thanks to hololive actually bringing quality standards in the vtuber scene, even niji started marketing themselves as idols because they got an inferiority complex and they need to cope, they're convinced that this will also bring them more revenue yet refuse to actually follow the idol quality standards because they're unmotivated bitches who just want to get the label attached to them without actually putting in any effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24766208
Just because they put on a concert doesn't mean they're idols

[Anonymous No.]

>>24755939
get a life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24766208
>the idol quality standards
Not a single holoEN member fits this. You're delusional

[Anonymous No.]

>>24766641
>>24766822
Every chuuba is an idol if you compare her to niji. At least the holos are trying, niji gets butthuirt if you say they aren't idols but they never considered the idol role in the first place, they just want the fame and the feeling, you shit on Gura but she practices offline a lot and so do the others. They may not be good at dancing, it's hard to dance with sensor all over the body after all but they are trying that as well. Holo has no disadvantage in comparison to Kizuna Ai except that she had permanent 3d model, they do the same things, some better some worse, on the other hand niji doesn't give a flying fuck about what Kizuna ever did because it's not in their mentality to be like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767105
>niji gets butthuirt if you say they aren't idols
source: my ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767262
Are you serious? did you just open the thread and skip 210 replies? I'm sure there's a niji or two trying to damage control this discussion, they got 200 frigging vtubers after all, the chance of them not shilling on this board is close to zero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767373
None of the previous replies had anything to do with being called "idols"

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767416
Believe whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767105
Lol, this schizo has never watched anyone but gura in his life, I guarantee it. Pomu is more idol than any of your EN whores, especially from Council

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767486
Then show proof of any Niji getting butthurt from someone saying they aren't an idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767516
>collabs with boys
>probably had offline mixers with some of them
I'll repeat since you seem to have skipped through the reply chain. They just want the fame and the feeling of idolism, they will never be real idols

>b-but you're just a schizo who cannot stand a male voice in a stream
Cope. Niji has no standards, there's no point in trying to prove otherwise, it's not in their policy, it's not in their duties to be idol-like, they do it purely out of epeen needs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767604
I dare you tell a niji that she's not idol-like, during a singing stream. Do it with a big supa, you're used to throwing money at clowns anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767989
>you MUST do it under THESE EXACT CONDITIONS, or I won't accept it

[Anonymous No.]

>>24768164
You can try whenever the fuck you want nijicuck, it's just that it will be more effective if you provoke her while she's actually pretending to be an idol, since they unironically feel like idols when they sing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24768305
People in Pomu's chat use to call her an idol, but she would always deny it and say she never wants to be an idol

[Anonymous No.]

>>24767416
Don't bother, this guy has to be trolling. >>24767105 reads like an unironic schizo post mixed with an ESL word salad. And then there's >>24767373 this beauty. Absolutely wonderful bait. He really thinks there's 1 Holo for every 4 Nijis actively posting in this thread right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24768336
I don't watch her but that's expected, of fucking course a niji with 2 brain cells wouldn't want to be an actual idol under the niji label, that's graduation waiting to happen, all nijis are expected to be social with each other and that includes collabs and possibly romance with boys, since the oni hag did it and got away with it, there's no reason for the others to feel restricted anymore, but at the end of the day even your oshi Pomu wants to bathe in the fame of the idol because that's just how thots are, she may deny it because it's not productive when you're with niji and she knows that but she definitely would enjoy the status. She's an exception anyway, most of the niji girls are retarded, they won't think twice before claiming to be idols when they feel like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24751480
>>24751839
>>24756480
>>24762034
>>24762527
>>24764383
>>24766208
>>24767105
>>24767373
>>24767728
>>24767989
>>24768305
>>24768973
???????? Why are you randomly inserting commas and trying to use them to replace periods sometimes? You type like an actual schizo would talk.

[Anonymous No.]

Quality over Quantity
Quantity over Quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>24769834
>everyone who doesn't agree with me is you
The absolute state. Have you never heard of grammar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Nijisanji is a Chinese company, Hololive's a Japanese one.
Know your Asians.

[Anonymous No.]

>meido is a sub 80 iq nigger
I should've expected this much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763986
Go back to making bait threads, VOMsbortion. You retards are mostly comprised of clipniggers that literally can't keep their general live unless there's a translator in the chat.
>>24764602
>It's okay if he tribalfags about holobronies but the nijinigger comment causes you to develop hemorrhoids over the state of the board
Fuck off Nijinigger.

[Anonymous No.]

Aiba Uiha is the strongest idol!

[Anonymous No.]

>>24760637
The nice thing about Nijis is that they don't all play the same games as eachother at the same time. Even if Pomu and Petra and Uki are Minecraft addicts there's tons of other games you can watch each day if you don't like Minecraft.

Meanwhile in Hololive if you don't like the current fotm game you have nothing to watch unless you prefer Towa's Apex streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
I struggled to summarise it in a paragraph, so i'm speaking about it here
https://voca.ro/1061MFyoqmZ8

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748872
>Ame is literally the only one who does GFE stuff in Hololive
Are you some kind of retard that managed to forget JP exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24754734
Literally nijisanji kickstarted the whole stream with a 2d avatar and then a few months later hololive copied that. Same with the box pushing and shit, Holo ended up doing it much much better tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>this thread
Pathetic...

VTubing is done for and maybe it's better this way.
So long /vt/ because soon this board won't be necessary anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763706
Funny how they had to remove the 3d sex stream after universal backlash from the entire industry

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
fpbp

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750688
Wave after wave? More horde after horde lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>24776742
nijiseethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>24765003
NijiEN fans are like the most insecure people on the planet, and constantly have some need to try to doompost Holo while shilling Niji at the same time because it's like a sunk-cost fallacy for them, they don't wanna admit they were wrong and jumped ship from Holo for something lesser. It reminds me of seeing people desperately trying to defend the dozens of "WoW-killer" MMOs that all came and fell by the wayside after they had made the jump. Exactly like that actually. In the end what killed WoW (or at least mostly, it's still alive almost 20 years later) was the company itself going to shit, not some external MMO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24768973
>a niji wouldn't want to be an actual idol under the niji label!
>but they unironically feel like idols when they sing.
>only pomu is an expection
kek
Here is a clip about Kenmochi denied when someone said ROFMAO is an idol group. Is him an exception too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeVcJN1pVdw

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Quantity vs Quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>24751243
Vshojo tier of sex joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750980
>makes a cryptic tweet complaining about someone in her former company.
oh, this is interesting, always thought the bullying rrats were funny but fake. Didn't know she vagueposted after leaving.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24787512
HoloEN's quality lies in their lack of streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750905
Holo oldfags can probably name more NijiJP livers than the average NijiEN fan

[Anonymous No.]

>>24752281
did she graduate already? damn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24787589
It's not about bullying though, it's about someone who constantly lied in her previous working place and she was afraid of that kind of person so she decided to distance herself from them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24756717
I used to watch three NijiJPs back during 2020.
Unfortunately they all have either graduated or stopped streaming, and there's no one else I found interesting in Niji, so I just became a holo only over time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24751418
>>24751299
I really don't understand why you niggers insist on commiting to infighting in threads like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>24769834
> commas are for schizos
/vt/ never ceases to entertain

[Anonymous No.]

>>24762800
> "If you don't know what Nijisanji is then you aren't worthy to know"
> no one watches nijisanji
> "Why isn't nijisanji more popular?!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>24764602
> #46 playing the victim

[Anonymous No.]

>>24787888
got the sauce? or was it deleted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24787680
> EN
plebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763061
This is the funny thing about Nijisanji that people here will never get. They represent all most any kind of person you are looking for. Like they are almost called anycolor for a reason. If you are not into whores then just don't watch the whores.
Hololive, however, almost always feels the same. Bland.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788098
you know that doesn't work if you don't post the list in the thread first right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788149
https://i.imgur.com/vnp7apL.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

Ill never understand the shit flinging. Why can't people just like both? Yeah Hololive has its problems such as Mori, just like Nijisanji has its problems such as Finana and all of the NijiEN males. Tribalfag shit is boring to me. I only care about cute girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788199
>90% of livers are Apex goblins
Holo has more variety with less than half the number of streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788406
Partial inheritance from jap fans going unrestricted tribal total war. Partial inheritance from /jp/ triple split shitposting. Partial inheritance from /v/ console war schizophrenia.
It's in the board's DNA, I'm sad to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788582
Don't forget ALL OUT WAR LMAO
the vent leak has irreparably damaged any cordial relationships between nijis and holos on this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788614
You didn't even read the leak

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788716
nijisanji in shambles
hololive thriving

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788297
Alright, fine.

## NIJICOPE LIST - FULLY SOURCED EDITION
Numbered for your convenience and easy referencing.
Full list here (includes the removed shitposts, falseflags, schizoposts, non-niji and unsourced copes) : https://rentry.org/nijicopes/raw

** FRAMED IN GOLD - Direct from Anycolor and the Livers themselves **
> #01 Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural slow and steady growth (>>20457274) (<span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/31785447)</span>
> #02 Luxiem/Noctyx earn as much as Holo JP (>>19597187)
> #03 Council didn't do as well Luxiem (>>19597187)

** CLASSIC **
> #04 Nijisanji has SOUL/Quality (>>>/jp/31465719 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/35484805 >>>/jp/36325406)</span>
> #05 Nijisanji has better chemistry (>>4962776 <span class="deadlink">>>5591760 >>6383777)</span>
> #06 Nijisanji is building a sub-culture/VTubing culture (>>10983732 <span class="deadlink">>>11015414 >>11105922)</span>
> #07 Superchats don't matter, Nijisanji has more merch sales [no evidence] (>>>/jp/25750975 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/30117222 >>>/jp/31524177 >>>/jp/34129071 >>>/jp/34630791)</span>
> #08 Nijisanji has more creative freedom (>>>/jp/25078156 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/35915283 >>>/jp/36404268 >>>/jp/36412049)</span>
> #09 Foreign audience bad, local Nips good (>>>/jp/23900990 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/31522946 >>>/jp/31923947 >>2689172 >>3342175 >>3343926 >>3555435)</span>
> #10 Nijisanji is more popular than Holo in Japan (>>>/jp/27419919 <span class="deadlink">>>>/jp/29231034 >>>/jp/29352658 >>>/jp/34766571 >>1843302 >>3773035 >>7615028)</span>
> #11 Google trends (>>1787083 <span class="deadlink">>>1784574 >>2871777)</span>
> #12 This will be the end of Hololive/Holobubble will burst (>>10226380 <span class="deadlink">>>10959272 >>11111437)</span>
> #13 YouTube Trends (>>11812348)
> #14 Niji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market (>>12171645)
> #15 Cover and hololive fans use bots (>>3225905 <span class="deadlink">>>4283312)</span>
> #16 Hololive's restrictive management will cause their talents to eventually graduate (>>8445392 <span class="deadlink">>>11875343)</span>
> #17 Fortune telling a.k.a "J-just wait, Cover will fuck up something someday" (>>14561348 <span class="deadlink">>>14752560 >>14752914 >>21529067 >>22935912 >>23288417)</span>

** NUMBERS **
> #18 Ratiocope (>>5536896 <span class="deadlink">>>8648645 >>13972862 >>14457547 >>20388935)</span>
> #19 Dead cat bounce (>>10959272 <span class="deadlink">>>13922827 >>14015995 >>14198900)</span>
> #20 Quality numbers (>>14001847)
> #21 Just combine the peak CCV of all our streams and we win (>>13902618)
> #22 Statistics are fake numbers (>>15032001)
> #23 Luxiem has a better profit margin than Holofes (>>20201927)
> #24 Vox has the FASTEST SUB GROWTH in VTuber History (>>21373805 <span class="deadlink">>>21374368)</span>

** MERCH AND SPONSORS **
> #25 Holo merch is underproduced to create artificial scarcity (>>>/jp/32410399 <span class="deadlink">>>5902529 >>15489004 >>16388154)</span>
> #26 Holomerch sold out means the company regretted the collab (>>12121308)
> #27 You buy merch - even if it's shit - to support the liver, not to actually use it (>>23937339)
> #28 Sponsorships are retarded (>>12109798)
> #29 Associating with Hololive is toxic for Bushiroad's growth because China (>>19752522)

** IT DOESN'T COUNT **
> #30 Concerts and return streams don't count (>>11676374)
> #31 Outfit reveals don't count (>>14891587)
> #32 Pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count (>>12296330)
> #33 Koshien is not an event (>>12127247)
> #34 Bookwalker doesn't count (>>19629617)

** GENERAL **
> #35 Holocope list (>>12296493 <span class="deadlink">>>12457630 >>14120649)</span>
> #36 Niji is still #1, they just removed it from their webpage to show humility (>>11747638)
> #37 Trailers are the same as advertisements (>>10992803 <span class="deadlink">>>10992938)</span>
> #38 Holo EN was a desperate gambit to find an audience (>>11753740)
> #39 Hololive just got lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side (>>>/jp/29352541)
> #40 *Selen delusion here* (>>8854844 <span class="deadlink">>>12533326 >>12955114 >>13021182 >>13045705 >>13445167 >>14879823)</span>
> #41 Nijifans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement (>>12085330)
> #42 Nijisanji helps their livers by promoting the main channel so that viewers will trickle down to smaller channels (>>12755553 <span class="deadlink">>>12755712)</span>
> #43 Nijifans will only watch a stream and Holofans will watch 3-4 so the Niji refresh rate is higher (>>17835784)
> #44 Niji is smart for not wasting money on useless conventions/concerts (>>20202005)

And when all else fails...
> #45 Blatant Lying
> Vox is "higher" than Gura (>>24420454)
> Vox got a bigger billboard (>>24424746)
> Mika is the Queen of ID (>>24426268)
> SEA belongs to Mysta (>>24423909)
> Calling a straight graph a "worm" (>>24427484)

And after all that...
> #46 Playing the Victim : >>5836502 <span class="deadlink">>>11753740 >>13804174 >>14751831</span>

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788754
kek, based

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788406
I used to be a unityfag.
Then the discord leak happened.
Now I avoid NijiEN and despise them trying to invade holo discussion spaces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788814
I'm sure you were

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788370
> ガチ虚言癖な人って頭ん中どうなってんだ ろ...? 前の職場でも居たけど悪口ばかりでビックリ したよね。 怖いから距離とるよね。
dayum, I can see how "shittalking" might have morphed into "bullying" now.
Wonder who she was talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji came first. Hololive came afterwards, and copied much of what Nijisanji did.
Over time, the two companies have become distinct.

Hololive is more like an idol agency. The girls are treated kind of like virtual idols. Hololive fans deny this, but that's the truth. Nijisanji talents are more like "streamers". Just like any streamer you'd find on twitch, or youtube or whatever.

While hololive strictly restricts intergender collabs, and has strict rules about openly talking about boyfriends and such, Nijisanji has no such rules. There are openly married Nijisanji talents for example. Guys and girls collab with each other all the time, in fact mixed-gender waves are commonplace.

While hololive has a ton of buildup before each generation releases, Nijisanji spams out waves of talents ever couple months with very little buildup. The disadvantage of this style is obvious, there's less hype for the debuts. But it also has advantages, as Nijisanji has over a hundred active talents. The NijiEN branch is 1/2 the age of the HoloEN branch, and they already have 2x as many talents.

In Hololive, the English branch is so weak, that fans are encouraged to watch the JP streamers during the excessive downtime. Whereas in Nijisanji, there is hardly any interaction or crossover between EN and JP whatsoever. The JP branch is so huge, even most JP talents wouldn't know another JP talent if you named them.

There also appears to be differences in compensation. Hololive talents are paid a salary, and thus have little incentive to actually stream beyond the minimum. Therefore in the English branch particularly, the girls only stream like 4 hours a week. While in Nijisanji, payment is based on performance, so the talents are heavily incentized to stream as many hours as possible. People like Pomu and Elira are putting in 35 hours a week.

Perhaps the most major difference is that in Nijisanji, the boys are much more popular than the girls. While in Hololive, the exact reverse is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788864
Used to watch Lazulight a lot.
Slowly started moving away from them as I did more JP reps, but never really wished them any bad, just realized that NijiEN would go the way of NijiJP early on and so went to JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788199
>Hololive almost always feels the same. Bland
>Marine an ex-mangaka assistant who went to a catholic school, is openly bi, and loves being lewd
>Noel who is a lewd dork who does ASMR specifically
>Fauna is a cute dork who isn't very lewd but does ASMR specifically but has a penchant for torture games like Jump King
>Ame is a gremlin gamer who rages
>Mumei is a fucking weird girl who is probably actually on the spectrum
>Gura is arguably the queen of old internet shitposting next to pink cat
>Akirose is a bellydancer
>Choco and Mel are turbo lewd and have made out IRL on stream
>Korone is a near 40 something year old hag who plays ancient NES games for 20 hour marathon streams
>Moona is a literal ex-idol who could be a professional singer but instead chooses to shave her pussy on stream and talk abut food 24/7
>Risu knows every stupid meme in existence and will quote them
>Kobo is a literal child
>Haachama is filthy frank vtuber edition
>Lamy is an alcoholic
>Ina and Sana are straight-up industry-grade veteran professional artists
Like I can keep listing all the very different personalities, unique traits, and niches that every single holo member fills if you'd like nijiscum

[Anonymous No.]

>>24763986
>>24764383
>>24770609
>nijiniggers
It's called PERSON OF ANYCOLOR, you racist fucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788912
It could be someone in Niji as liver, or staff, or someone in her job prior to Niji.
But even going by the rrat from 5ch that based on this post, it would be Hima who was the one she tried to vaugepost instead of Sasaki. The whole Sasaki bullying rrat originated from /here/ and only retarded threadwatcher EOP from /here/ would actually believe it.

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>>24748187
Feepeebeepee

[Anonymous No.]

Is this another Niji begging for holo validation while simultaneously crowing about how superior they are thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24789155
> Hima being a serial liar
I can't help but chuckle at the image.
JP vagueposting is super annoying tbqh, so many rrats for no reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24789209
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

only niji I like is ars. the rest are insufferable

[Anonymous No.]

>>24788978
anon do you have brain damage because theres probably a few nijis that fits most of that shit too.
either way anon probably wasnt talking about a lack of interesting personalities, they were talking about a lack of interesting content.
speaking for myself, between all the holochuubas they feel all the same when it comes to content these days, like different flavours of the same thing, its good but when it comes down to it, its mostly personal preference and investment then their actual content.
obviously there are stand out members like korone but you cant tell me most of them dont blend together with what theyre streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>24789395
>muh all hololive streams are the same
>they all stream the same stuff no content
>niji though are perfect and super diverse and full of UNIQUE CONTENT
>said UNIQUE CONTENT is minecraft, being whores, playing a porn game once on stream, apex, and epic male x female off-collabs where they cuck their entire fanbases!
Yeah anon you're right. Nijisanji does have more unique content!

[Anonymous No.]

>>24789395
>The famous Hololive all do the same streams talking point
>From a Nijiwhore
Yeah man. I for one love the cool and varied content of Niji members talking about taking dick 24/7 to their cucked fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>24789395
> between all the holochuubas they feel all the same when it comes to content these days
heh

[Anonymous No.]

>>24789395
I direct you to #04 and #08 here >>24788754

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>>24748394

[Anonymous No.]

>>24787742
I mean in 2018 it was feasible to keep tabs on dozens of vtubers without much issue, period. There were also tons of collabs/matomes and I used to just subscribe to literally anyone who showed up on stream with another chuuba I liked.

If you're referring to late 2019 to 2020 as oldfag territory though, that's a grave error.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24789896
>>24789932
You think they'd find better talking points by now yet here we are all

[Anonymous No.]

>>24789563
>>24789679
you 2 really like thinking about how nijien are getting laid while you arent, huh?
i dont understand why you think content you dislike is somehow immune to being unique.
in the end you fags are so far up your own ass that you care about whores more then you care about your oshi.
>>24789932
honestly having a master list like this more shows how pathetic nijisantis are then it shows how pathetic nijifags are, like someone could easily make the same shit for holofags.
>>24790045
anon... youre talking points have been nothing but
>muh whores
>muh holos are superior because numbers
for the last 2 years, and i wouldnt be one to talk when you fags attack your own talents with the same shit over and over more then any nijifag attacks them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24790206(me)
*nijicn, sorry typo

[Anonymous No.]

>>24790206
>N-no y-you!
Nijifags are as always deeply pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

SUCCESS

[Anonymous No.]

>>24790399
idk anon complaining about things you dont watch is way more pathetic since your just riling yourself up over your wilful ignorance

[Anonymous No.]

One is for the fujos, the other is for the pedos

[Anonymous No.]

>>24790615
Yeah see that's the difference between holofags and nijiniggers.
Current day holofags also used to watch a few nijis from time to time. So they know what most of the content is like, which is why if they don't like the content, they just silently leave.
But nijiniggers like this guy >>24789395 have never even touched a holoJP stream, and has never even watched a fucking CLIP from any of the JPs' streams, yet comes here and starts blatantly lying about hololive.

Holofags are complaining about stuff they already watched and rejected.
While nijiniggers are complaining despite never even having watched CLIPs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
>hololive
Hololive members have the same rights to merchandise and promo, even if they aren't popular, because cover.corp treats everyone in Hololive equally.
No matter how much money those talents make, they will still be expelled from Hololive if they violate the provisions.
>nijisanji
During Luxien's successful period, Anykara gave merchandise even though it had only been half a year, in contrast to Lazuli, which had nothing during the 1 year celebration.

communist vs capitalist

[Anonymous No.]

>>24750804
do you have know their discord server? I want toread more of their seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748164
Success breeds jealousy

[Anonymous No.]

>>24748187
One's viewers exclusively has a cuck fetish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24791299
>Current day holofags also used to watch a few nijis from time to time
oldfags maybe, nu-holobronies like you have watched nijien at most

[Anonymous No.]

>>24794427
it's the official Nijisanji server

[Anonymous No.]

>>24791299
>Current day holofags also used to watch a few nijis from time to time. So they know what most of the content is like, which is why if they don't like the content, they just silently leave.
>Holofags are complaining about stuff they already watched and rejected.

I heard more about holofags bitching about not being able to get into Nijisanji or even having the patient to pick a single because of the sheer size and resulted in being a clipnigger which explains why most still apply the "not idol-like" joke to the livers. But I agree, that this guy >>24789395 is a retard for calling everyone a cookie cutter as a unitychad

[Anonymous No.]

>>24798579
Back in the day there weren't that many chuubas so the advice of "watch who you want" was a legitimate one for Nijisanji.
It was only during late 2019 and 2020 that they started pumping out wave after wave, causing immense confusion for newfags that came afterwards.
And since the talents overall are only loosely connected, once the nijis I was watching left the company, I didn't really have anyone else from there that I enjoyed watching.

I thought the same thing might happen after with holo after Coco left, and it did for about a week or two, but holos have so many good streams as a whole that I slowly started watching them again. And once my reps were good enough, I got to a point where I've got more than enough choices in Hololive that I didn't need to go out of the box to find anything anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

One lick dik chinese

[Anonymous No.]

Hoshikawa(niji jp) said nijisanji like friend but Hololive like Family

Today i know it when they throw friend if girl not make money with them //

RIP NIJI EN GIRLS

[Anonymous No.]

The fact that morons are getting basic fact wrong like saying Nijisanji somehow came first despite the fact that Sora was literally one of the first vtubers to ever exist is fucking hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24799101
>It was only during late 2019 and 2020 that they started pumping out wave after wave, causing immense confusion for newfags that came afterwards.
It was early 2019 and throughout. They had 50 in the main branch already at the start of 2019. Early 2020 is when they stopped, so you're off by about an entire year there.

>And since the talents overall are only loosely connected, once the nijis I was watching left the company, I didn't really have anyone else from there that I enjoyed watching.
Who did you watch? Overall meaning across 200 vtubers, not everyone is familiar with each other, but everyone had members they were close with. Knowing this board, it's probably either Lulu or Gibara. Did you just never watch their collabs?

>I thought the same thing might happen after with holo after Coco left, and it did for about a week or two, but holos have so many good streams as a whole that I slowly started watching them again.
And were you already familiar with those holos or did you literally only know about Coco?

Also the anon you're responding to is literally implying the opposite, so I'm unsure what point you're even trying to make with your sample size of 1. HoloJP was in the same position as NijiEN is currently. No one who was watching HoloJP back then didn't know about Niji, and no one watching NijiEN now doesn't know about Holo, so it's mind boggling why you would use current day, when it's far more likely that people who watched HoloJP in early 2019 knew about Niji and watched them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24799981
> Lulu or Gibara
Yeah it was pretty much those two (and occasionally Ars and Roa). My JP reps were dogshit back then so although I did try to watch streams, most of the time I only understood little of what was being said, and had to rely on clips for the more important parts (which there were only few of).
I was also watching someholos at the time mind you, so it wasn't as if I had the time to watch every single stream. Just the ones that happened to stream when I was free.

> And were you already familiar with those holos or did you literally only know about Coco?
I obviously couldn't watch Coco without knowing the entire Hololive roster kek, her strengths were her collabs after all.
I found holo through Matsuri, and stayed for Asacoco.

> far more likely that people who watched HoloJP in early 2019 knew about Niji and watched them
that's basically the point I was making.
newer nijifags will spout bullshit narratives without even watching streams, whereas back then both holofags and nijifags both had some basic knowledge about each other's talents (since there were only a few of them).

[Anonymous No.]

>>24798444
thats even funnier kek

[FACT No.]

One Nijisanji”, start announced that it will receive an investment worth JPY 2B ( about 15.7M USD)from Sony Music Entertainment

Cover the startup, this follows their seed round funding back in August of 2017 receive an investment JYP 30M (about 235K USA) from Mizuho Capital

Investment niji start more than holo about 70 times

But now Hololive is number 1 in many way (sub , superchat , product , money ,concert , ads , review ,collab band product , anime , tv show , music , etc )

I never hate all them // i just tell the fact

[Anonymous No.]

>>24797312
you cant be cucked if you realise the streamer isn't your girlfriend