Can this finally put IRyS on the map?

[Anonymous No.]

As a non biased JP enjoyer, i think this is IRyS's best original song till date and probably the best Holo En Orignal (it's either this, Sparks or Play Dice. I am leaning more towards Till the end of me)
I don't think it's gonna break any huge records or anything like Marine songs, Suisei songs or Gura songs but i do feel this song can be IRyS's big breakthrough.

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>>24700366
Then they need to shill it more. IRyS basically refuses to shill her own shit. She should be spamming it everywhere, be super fuking annoying about it, because then people will go see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>Do i feel it is the best en song?

Yes, absofuckinglutely. I will go as far as to say it's the best Vtuber song of 2022 ahead of Template, Fact, Born to be real, Akuma, Play Dice, Alice&u, High Tide, etc in terms of quality for me

>Do i think its gonna help IRyS at all?

Fuck nooo

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>>24700709
I feel this song does have the potential to make it big. I don't consider IRyS my Oshi, but I get a feeling this song will get like 3-4 Million views by the end of the year

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
Not memey enough for that

[Anonymous No.]

The song is pretty good, but she just needs a song that's more than pretty good.
iRyS needs a industry simp like TAKU is to Suisei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
>As a non biased JP enjoyer

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>>24701021
Well good to see you think that way, but if i am being honest people aren't that impressed by IRyS's singing as they feel she looses souls for the sake of better technique(which she does btw).
There is a reason why people prefer Moona and
Risu's singing over her(they are not wrong though as music is subjective) and thats because IRyS's singing will not get an emotion out of you. I am being completely honest here.
I got into Hololive because of Gura's singing. Its not better than IRyS's singing by any means, but it awoke an emotion inside of me.
Same with Towa's Palette.
None of the IRyS songs have made me feel that way. Even her live singing even though i will keep saying that she is still the best en singer purely because of her technique and hardwork. But a common person does not give a shit about Technique anon, this is the same reason why Sora and Roboco are so underrated

>Now talking about this song anon.
I think this was the first time i felt something while listening to her. But unfortunately people have already made opinions about IRyS that are really difficult to change.
>Is it unfair?
Yes, but there is nothing we can do, except watching it

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>>24701498
I mean we dont have much option outside Jp besides IRyS, Risu and Moona anon.
Kobo is pretty good to but no she is not better than them.

>>24701533
I think Suisei really excels because she excels at both. She has an amazing technique and also makes you emotional

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
No. Anyone think this won't flop is delusional. I'm expecting something like less than 100k on the first day and less than 300k in the first week at best.
No offense to IRyS and you IRyStocrats guys, but look:
- Minimal shill, mainly from IRyS only
- Released on Youtube almost a month after it was released on all other platforms. People would have listened to it over and over if they wanted to. That killed a lot of interests. They should have delayed the releases on other platforms until their MV was ready
There are a few other factors, but those two alone pretty much ensured that this will be a flop. I may check it out on YT once for the MV and I don't hate IRyS since she is friendly with my oshi, but generally, I'd rather spend my time looping my oshi original instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
This song is amazing and it shows Omegatranny was booted because it sounds nothing like what he would've made IRyS sing. That fucker set her back many months and undermined her success.

I'll never forgive omegatranny.

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>>24702630
It was composed around her debut.

[Anonymous No.]

everybody knows irys has shit songs and unless she collabs with suisei there's no point in trying

[Anonymous No.]

>>24702630
You need to stop letting a Vtweeter live rent free in your head, Anon; it can’t be good for you

[Anonymous No.]

I love IRyS and I want to cum in her

[Anonymous No.]

Yep, I love the song but sadly, it has been out on streaming sites too long already.

Also, my personal rrat is that her previous song was designed in mind for her still missing kimono. That's why it didn't get an MV.

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>>24703355
The rrat checks out. I'll believe it.

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>>24701533
I don't think it will ever change, but it's not just her. She's treated as a human vocaloid. She has no input in her songs and is only handed the songs, often not long in advance, to sing them on command. There's no way for her to put herself into the song or create an emotional connection.

But yes, singing is acting as she has never shown the capability to act. She sings "correct", but she will never rip your heart out with a heartbreak song. If she sang High Tide, it wouldn't be as powerful, if she sang Doggy God's Street, it wouldn't be as funny.

People often say her songs are super generic, which most of them are, but Here Comes Hope and Caesura of Despair are not. Caesura is actually very dramatic, but she never puts in the drama even when she belts out the chorus. She just hits the notes and calls it a day.

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>>24704195
I think, both the quality of the songs and IRyS's emotional investment into her vocal performances would improve if she was allowed to be more involved in the songwriting process.

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>>24704195
She’s not treated that way. That’s just the way she sings and there’s no one smart enough in her entourage to correct her. If you watched and listened to her you would know she has some input into her songs but she’s not a singer with a strong identity

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>>24704526
>she’s not a singer with a strong identity
Makes sense with the whole utaite background.

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>>24704737
I’ve heard her past life orisongs and they’re even more generic than what she’s doing now

[Anonymous No.]

I hope so she deserves it.

[Anonymous No.]

>hololive ENGLISH
>only sings nip shit
What were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.]

Why are IRyStocrats like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24705119
JP company aside, modern english is not a lyrical language. I wouldn't write songs in english either.

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>>24701533
I'd describe IRyS' singing as clear and crisp. On an auditory level it's just pleasant to listen to in general. But in terms of style and flair, it's just so uninspiring. I recall her covers of Ghost and Inochi and was disappointed at how bland they sounded.

[Anonymous No.]

My god, so much copium in this thread. Why can’t you accept your oshi is shallow and has the mental deepness of a puddle. She might be trained, but she’s merely a robot.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone in this thread bought into the SOVL meme and it's sad to see. It's why you have to be responsible when shit posting.

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>>24700366
Extremely based trash taste enjoyer. The rest of her songs are pure shit compared to more established vsingers except HCH that nothing from her hypes me anymore. Keep living the delusion IRyStocrats.

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>>24700366
> Can this finally put IRyS on the map?
> i do feel this song can be IRyS's big breakthrough.
Likely not. Not this time, not yet. (Hopefully I’m deadly wrong)
It doesn’t have a chorus that’s absolutely killing it. If you compare the following choruses and you will feel the stark difference, that is the essential element to get noticed by public.

“Until my heart stops” chorus
https://youtu.be/8T-0oKwmsXM?t=49
“GHOST” chorus
https://youtu.be/IKKar5SS29E?t=59
“Error” chorus
https://youtu.be/3UV8OZj2olg?t=47

Ghost made a wave and Error put Towa on map because they have killing chorus.
“Until my heart stops” is solid song. Love this addition to IRyS discography. No weird forceful en lyrics, the jp lyrics rhyme naturally. This song is designed in a way to let IRyS to display some of her singing prowess. If new audience listen to this song, they will realize IRyS is a good singer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24707288
It’s a valid criticism and she would be worse not to ignore it

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>>24708725
wise*

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>>24700442
Shilling it to who? IRyStocrats?
98% IRyStocrats can sing IRyS songs backwards.

Most people agree IRyS is a good singer. So I think the orisong quality is the issue. Suisei shilled hard before Ghost but didn't blow up, release Ghost then blow up, this tells you a lot.

P.S.
I watched IRyS stream outro (Caesura of Despair MV) everytime, I bet most people did the same, if that isn't enough shilling for you. (That is her best orisong imo)

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>>24700366
I agree that it's her best original. I don't know if she'll get a boost from this, but desu I'm disappointed at how the MV turned out. Really low effort stuff. There's one part that's just a 20 sec pan out of a static image of her LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

Irys needs a genre identity for even non-fans to tune in to and expect the more of the same with her other songs. I know none of this is Irys' choice, but her managers sure have no fucking idea on what direction to take her. HCH is her best song because it's so iconic and repeatable while the others kinda blend together as "good singer sings anime OP".
...and there are plenty of good singers covering anime OPs.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine if you could hear her voice after the first minute

[Anonymous No.]

>Literal garbage MV
Looks like it's another floprys...a shame because it's a really nice song

[Anonymous No.]

hehehehe
good but not that good,so okayish
nah prob just normal, but prop to you irstocat to hype this up, even if your oshi does not

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>>24700709
> I will go as far as to say it's the best Vtuber song of 2022 ahead of Template, Fact, Born to be real, Akuma, Play Dice, Alice&u, High Tide, etc in terms of quality for me
Template, Fact, Born to be real = mainstream rock catchy pop vibe
High Tide = catchy mainstream pop
ALiCE&u = the ESL ruined it Risu fans please don’t kill me (Second language ruins most songs unless the composer is fucking hiroyuki sawano)
Until My Heart Stops = doesn’t sound like catchy mainstream pop, I don’t think it will get a lot of views. A HoloEN releasing a JP song, not sure if the fanbase can give it proper appreciation.
Play Dice = just another IRyS song with nonsense en lyrics, if Play Dice gets more views than Until My Heart Stops MV I will be very sad, Play Dice is not even mainstream music, and Bae can’t sing shit (mean no offense)

[Anonymous No.]

>>24711093
>second language ruins most songs
then why is irys sing in japanese?

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>>24700366
The song has real strong anime ending vibes. It sounds depressing and then uplifting but it'll just end up as another one of Irys's songs that come and go which is unfortunate because it seems really good. I don't usually give songs with JP lyrics much of a listen but this one was really good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24709807
How the FUCK was this shitty MV not able to be on time with the song's actual release.

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>>24701533
> IRyS's singing feel like she loses souls for the sake of better technique
A lot of people felt the same in her early days. But IRyS improved gradually with each karaoke session and fixed her soulless flaws by great extent. (this is not a flattery from an IRyStocrat, this really surprised me, if a person sang for 10 years I don’t expect her to drastically fix her singing anymore)
= = = = = = = = =
> S-o-u-l-f-u-l IRyS (singing from soul, fuck techniques)

. Sparkle (only 10 seconds duration)
https://youtu.be/U_iLyOLr8pw?t=93
. Best version of Caesura Of Despair (also best IRyS performance up to date)
https://youtu.be/UEMcl5rzLPU?t=12878
https://youtu.be/UEMcl5rzLPU?t=13013
= = = = = = = = =

[Anonymous No.]

>>24711369
because IRyS can talk and sing JP like first language (not sure why you even ask this question in the first place)

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
>Can this finally put IRyS on the map?
Sadly things stays like usual i'm sorry iryschads.
When majority hears about a holo who can sing usually older holos who sings well like asskey/towa/suisei/moona comes to mind first with la+ as special mention because she alone makes other vtubers sings Goddist in singing streams.
This is very hard to change considering:
>Almost a year and still lacks 3D as a vsinger so no kino 3d concerts (she still lives in japan right?)
>Not the best start singing wise, no vsingers wants to release lackluster covers early on (that Inochi was bad)
>Her songs doesn't seem to click with JP audiences, holoJP themselves almost never talks about her in general. Yes she is EN vsinger but JP audience is also important, more important than EN i'd say
Maybe releasing a cover that sounds better than original or at least really good (see la+ case) helps her much more than another original song.

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>>24711570
Please understand, Omega needed to rub his balls all over it before he would allow it to be released.

[Anonymous No.]

I've finally watched the MV.

The first 50 seconds = PS2 CG graphics
Chorus = slideshow
The rest = loop

FUCKING KILL ME RIGHT NOW, IRyStrocratbros, NOW
I genuinely haven’t seen a worse Holo MV, the combination of slideshow and ps2 cg made each other looked even worse

[Anonymous No.]

THE FUCKING MV actually made the song sound worse. (logically not possible, but it did)

I rather watch/listen the one with a static cover image.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T-0oKwmsXM

[Anonymous No.]

Comparing Play Dice and Till the end of me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM3QQXzOzVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na6bysYNuS0
Makes me seethe to no end. Give me 2 weeks to download software and watch Youtube tutorials, I swear to God I can make a better MV for IRyS.

Now I totally get why IRyS felt depressed a while ago. IRyS also said “it’s frustrating for the things which you have no power to improve it”. I totally see it right now.

[Anonymous No.]

Also, what was with that weird 5 seconds of total silence and black screen at the start.
What the hell are they doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
I dont think her voice suites to the song, its so high pitched sometimes. Give her more song that chill, catchy and bop.

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>>24701186
> IRyS needs a industry simp like TAKU is to Suisei.
Please no. I want a non-simp professional composer like Hiroyuki Sawano. But IRyS is not good enough to impress Sawano. Towa's niki様 is good, I want someone like that.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are they doing her so dirty? This couldn't have spent more than an hour in Premiere.

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>>24701533
>I got into Hololive because of Gura's singing. Its not better than IRyS's singing by any means
imo, Gura singing soft song is the one of the skill pinnacles in Holo. She’s on an entirely different level when it comes to soft songs, no other Holos are close.
https://youtu.be/Ybk0TLI2lnE?t=46
(It almost feels like this level of singing shouldn’t exist in vtubing, fuck Cover for being a lucky bastard)
But overall singing I give to it IRyS, more techniques and controls, also can sing fast song like eurobeats.
> But a common person does not give a shit about Technique
Nah, both technique and soul play a factor, imagine an amateur idiot singing in bathroom with all his soul.

[Anonymous No.]

The fan made video for "bare your teeth" had far more effort put in than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHOwYBVAug

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>>24702240
>Released on Youtube almost a month after it was released on all other platforms. People would have listened to it over and over if they wanted to. That killed a lot of interests. They should have delayed the releases on other platforms until their MV was ready
This decision also fazed me a lot. Can anyone explain the advantage of this decision?

[Anonymous No.]

This will fail to reach 400k, just like most of her songs. I will lay out the reasons why:
- Irys has technique, but it still doesn't feel emotional. No, I don't mean SOVL, I'm just saying the emotional effects of it isn't as felt as in other holos like Moona/Towa/Suisei or Gura.
- The MV itself isn't memorable, even Anustart and Play Dice is more memorable, come on. This still feels amateur.
- Irys as a brand, she objectively has a much weaker brand than other singing holos, you can't even compare her to the music powerhouses like Suisei/Mori/Gura who are able to be instantly recognized.
-She doesn't have the stage presence/ diva-esque quality that Suisei/Moona have. She still feels meek/shy when singing.
- Her songs are dropped like guerrilla songs/ with 0 marketing or hype beforehand. This just straight up kills them on arrival and means she won't even get the initial boost to help it into the YT algo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
To be honest, the song is not catchy imo, Here comes hope is still better.

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>>24706666
> I recall her covers of Ghost and Inochi and was disappointed at how bland they sounded.
Same here, the mixing/tuning of IRyS cover doesn't do justice for IRyS's singing prowess. I always seethe for this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
is it really that good? I have the two final minutes in my backlog

[Anonymous No.]

>>24715732
I agree with this completely

[Anonymous No.]

>>24715732
They hated him for speaking the truthRys

[Anonymous No.]

>>24715873
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>24715732
>Her songs are dropped like guerrilla songs/ with 0 marketing or hype beforehand
No level of marketing can hype songs like this.
https://youtu.be/2ZHOwYBVAug?t=56
RE-----ME-----DY
See that I’m----ok----ay

[Anonymous No.]

>>24716762
?
even if the songs themselves are bad, marketing would improve the views. The real issue is that her songs aren't memorable though, so she still needs to fix that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24716878
>even if the songs themselves are bad, marketing would improve the views
True, but it is also not a viable move. A saw can cut the tree, with enough effort a baseball can also cut a tree. But no sane person would suggest to cut a tree with a baseball bat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24717140
with enough effort a baseball bat* can also cut a tree

[Anonymous No.]

>>24717140
it's still an improvement: no marketing kills a song, whereas even some marketing will let it have some relevance

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>>24716878
>her songs aren't memorable
That's too much flattery, IRyS songs are actually problematic due to weird en lyrics. Also poor mixing/tuning. After these things are fixed, we can start talking about memorable song composition.

And never forget management hates IRyS and trying to screw her orisongs with 1870s MV.

[Anonymous No.]

are all of you this critical over AZKi's songs too?
I enjoy all of IRyS's songs just fine, I don't get the point of bitching that it sounds like anime music when you're watching anime women streamers

[Anonymous No.]

from what she hinted in past stream about "out of her hand things are", the earlier comments on stream about inputs in the hole creative process and the fact that they gave her the lyrics of until the hand of me a week before release date
it feels like she is heavily restrained

on the other hand i got chills on several of her karaoke stream, she actually seems to enjoy it

her rendition of akuma no ko for me is better than the original

her song with sora during the live concert was a fucking blast even has FrameRys she was the best part of the concert

cover stop being faggots and give her more freedom already

also stop the dogshit MVs i swear to fucking god

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
Not my genre + plus JP language
Call me when HoloEN stops paying by the JP wordcount in their songs.
Tsunami + Blackout + Diamond City Lights > HoloEN's current discography

[Anonymous No.]

>>24717919
>dub lover
>nijitranny
>kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>24717706
>are all of you this critical over AZKi's songs too?
Azki wasn't even in Hololive until recently, and when she joined, her covers have done well

[Anonymous No.]

>>24717450
yeah I still assume that's due to Cover's involvement though, so I'm not sure how much of that can be fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

This song reminds me too much of Guity Crown's EP. It fills me with nostalgia and hatred for RedJuice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24718214
Buff member make buff song

[Anonymous No.]

>>24720314
Marine is the only buff
FBK isn't a buff, nor is Nene.

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>>24700709
>will go as far as to say it's the best
It is absolutely forgettable, like all her tracks. They all sound like very generic anime ops or eds. A mix of management controlling everything and how she sings means her songs lack much personality. Which is a big deal for vtuber songs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24720314
Anon, The Last Frontier doesn't even have 700k views, and it has Suisei in it. It's because she properly joined hololive

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>>24717706
> don't get the point of bitching that it sounds like anime music when you're watching anime women streamers
You’re actually having a weird take. I think no one bitched about that. More than half chuuba fans are into anime culture.

= = = = = = = = = =
+++Schizo time (no meds needed)+++

For me, I am bitching about weird en lyrics in IRyS orisong. Do I hate IRyS? Exactly the opposite. That’s why I’m seething like no tomorrow.

> Song composition/Lyrics writing 101.
The melody can sound bland as shit. The lyrics’ meaning can be weird as fuck. But there is one thing you must do it right. THE LYRIC HAS TO RYTHME.
But why is it a must?
Imagine picking random paragraphs from a random book, and put them as lyrics to an instrumental melody, is this a song? Imagine putting lyrics from song A to melody B, is this a song?

Regardless of the quality/outcome, it is not even a song.
Imagine you have the best gun and best bullets in the world, but they are not compatible with each other. Can you compare this gun to other guns? NOOOOOO. It’s not even practically a gun. If melody and lyrics aren’t compatible, you are not even standing on the STARTING LINE. Please let IRyS stand on the fucking starting line please.
(A very good melody with weird lyrics could still sound somewhat pleasant, but the people who make incompatible bullets should be thrown off the roof. I have not complained about the quality of gun and bullets, but compatibility is the bare minimum)

= = = = = = = = = =
+++Anime-esque songs with EN lyrics which RYTHME+++

>▲Life is Like a Boat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AXifDytyr0
>▲ Reluctant Heroes (non-ESL female cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIrzb-QcRo
>▲ No Differences
https://youtu.be/wh11u95kimU?t=14
Lyrics https://genius.com/Hiroyuki-sawano-no-differences-lyrics
>▲ Initial D euro beat with EN lyrics
Grand Prix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYu_Q5twRDM
Night of Fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG6RpklzADo

P.S.
I’m pretty sure IRyS is better than this chum (no offense), but they will never ever give IRyS a normal EN song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgIrzb-QcRo
They will never let IRyS shine

[Anonymous No.]

This song just sounds like pretty much every one of hers that has an MV. Why the fuck aren't they giving an MV to her best song on Journey, Bare Your Teeth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysid9gXNxts
Not only does she sound great but instrumentation is varied and interesting and not the same fucking thing we've heard in all her other songs.

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>>24717706
>bitching that it sounds like anime music when you're watching anime women streamers
The problem isn't just reee anime, when people say anime music or anime OPs they mean it sounds like a very generic without much personality. Rather than a tubers take on the style. I don't just feel like I've heard the song but also heard someone sing it the exact same way. So chasing the mainstream + lack of IRyS the streamer in the song = sounds like an forgettable anime OP.

AZKi by comparison does have some variation. She can go from city pop to a silly cat song. Both fit her fairly basic persona but would lack some aspect if someone else was singing. Take Me To Heaven isn't reinventing the wheel but the way she delivers some lines in the chorus makes it hers.

[Anonymous No.]

Most Holos' cover/recorded songs sound far better than their Karaoke sessions. However, IRyS is the opposite, her live karaoke sounds far better than her cover songs. This tells you one thing, music personnel that works with IRyS is really bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24715732
any askers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24724339
yep, OP asked

[Anonymous No.]

>>24705119
It's a nip company making nip music for the only market that matters (Japan). Do your reps or stop crying.

Haachama is the only person who has done covers and original songs completely in English. This won't change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24722189
Bare Your Teeth is foreal so good same with Diorama
Most of her music sounds a lil samey but what makes those stand out is the instrumentation has some fucking balls and actually works with her singing instead of just background

[Anonymous No.]

>>24717919
Diamond City Lights is fucking shit. Blackout is much better, and Tsunami is a fun character song. DCL in contrast is so fucking generic that I don't even understand why people like it. Even God Sees All is better (As long as it's sung by Enna alone).

[Anonymous No.]

>>24711369
It's the English that ruins it, you tard. Reflect is the only EN song where the english lyrics actually work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24724723
wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>24725237
Reflect is still a largely Japanese song. At least say End of a Life or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24725690
Has she covered any song in english?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24726517
Technically no but only cause she wasn't allowed to put jingle bell rock on her channel so had kanaruru upload it. Usually he just uses karaoke, but that was original and meant as a main channel video. Whole thing was very last minute. English covers are more a perms issue than anything.

Though all myth have country roads and myth or treat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24721984
>>24723375
I just think her songs are catchy
I don't find them that much 'generic' than the usual Hololive idol pop material, which I also like

[Anonymous No.]

>>24727138
I think catchiness is one of the weaker aspects, like what is the hook in her new song? Its very softly sung and no word of phrase really stands out. Compared to say Mori's latest that I don't even like very much, but even for EOPs the chorus has a few words you can catch and easy to remember beat. Not every song needs to do that but often IRyS don't have much else going for them.

>I don't find them that much 'generic'
Holo in general aren't the most original performers sure. But say Mera Mera, Hide Tide, Anustart and Heart Challenger are not songs you could just slap anywhere. They could be anime OP/EDs but only for certain shows. Till the end of me could probably be ED27 the sad one of most seasonal anime. That is not to say those songs are all better or that IRyS is bad. But that thinking about High Tide instantly got the lyrics going through my head, pulling you in like gravity you will be bowing on your knees yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24700366
the style of music that hse puts out just doesnt work with her. it just doesnt work.
she needs to do a pure ballad or electro vocal

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>>24721984
Rhyming is not the issue - if you know what you're doing. Many of Mili's songs use rhyme sparingly, which also increases their impact when they do rhyme.
Someone wrote on how the lyrics were just constantly fighting against the music because either the translator or the lyricist had no idea of how important meter is to music in English.

https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/24291987/#q24307233

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>>24728148
I search Youtube with keyword Mili. Listened to Mili's Camelia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOcCu31oi7Q
Absolutely can't stand it (not my taste). Seems not care about rhyming on purpose (probably a music genre by itself). But it has musicality in it. Even not my taste I can tell it is well made. I am okay with Disney musical but not this. I rarely come across this style so think this style is a little non mainstream (ahem, though it has 6m views)

Have you seen any vtuber sings like this? Or any anime songs with similar vibe?

I can’t shake the feeling this style is non mainstream, so it would be bad idea for IRyS to sing like this (Do you want IRyS to sing all orisong like this?). Though I think IRyS could do a good job with this style, coz her singing style suits well for musical-genre song (e.g. Happy Working Song)

[Anonymous No.]

>ugly ass model
>no outfit
>no 3D despite being a "Vsinger"
>shit papa
>flop songs
>most of holo fan forget you exist because you're not part of any group
Pure suffering

[Anonymous No.]

>>24729212
>ugly ass model

▲▲▲ I discovered something new and magical today.

When IRyS face is large, she looks pretty, when her face is small, it looks weird.
> I can’t even explain this nephilim sorcery.

large face
https://youtu.be/0Gab9leyukI?t=318
mid face
https://youtu.be/fmz6Ds1UPkY?t=13489
small face
https://youtu.be/HTPLo6F-M3Q?t=7542

*reminder: distancing yourself from phone/monitor doesn’t demonstrate this magic that well

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>>24729475
the design is pretty good, but the model and rigging are very flawed. the reason irys sometimes looks weird is because of those clashes

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>>24700442
>IRyS basically refuses to shill her own shit
She doesn't refuse to do anything. She doesn't even know when her songs will drop, most of the times. And even if she wanted to shill her songs, the rythm at which they drop is way too fast for them to have a lasting impact on people. It's like the problem AZKi had but in 3 times worse

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>>24729030
Mili is considered well-known nowadays, if not exactly mainstream. They did the Goblin Slayer OP and the GitS: SAC_2045 endings.
https://youtu.be/Q6Ik94T99Ag
https://youtu.be/JHY0PYZXvfU
Fact is, though, her big names do songs like that anyway, so by default that's what you're getting. The Myth&RoiD team is involved with her songs.
https://youtu.be/3SEhUVLRhIg
The issue is that you can get away with awkward English when the voice is just basically another instrument in the song, but if it's distinct and prominently supposed to be the centerpiece it's very obvious.

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>>24729631
So you basically saying.......

we don't need to hunt Redjuice down anymore?

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>>24700366
Did she have any involvement in this song? Beside the voice ofc

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>>24729699
she deserves several new outfits by now, so no he can go to hell and die

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The best thing about the MV is that it has a fucking ENGLISH title holy shit is it so hard? Whose brilliant idea was it to upload to streaming services with a kanji and hiragana title?

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>>24729636
Hell we just saw it, she tried to shill it on twitter before it dropped as 'Till my heart stops beating' (which would be a more literal translation of the Japanese title) only for her team to turn around and go 'uh we changed it to' Till the end of me'
Oh and by the way, the English title still doesn't show up on Spotify as that song, so if you can't moonrune you might not realize it's the same song

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>>24729683
Learned something on vt today, thx. Indeed a unique artist (now I recall one or two artists who sing like that, rare though). After listen to the Mili songs you share, I doubt IRyS can pull off something like that. Very technical stuff, and if you're not fond of this singing style you'll have hard time to learn/replicate it.

>The issue is that you can get away with awkward English when the voice is just basically another instrument in the song
Good point.

Out of curiosity, what is Mili's accent?

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>>24729848
Yeah that blew my mind, she tried to do the right thing and shill her song, but she didn't even know the title.

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>>24729910
>but she didn't even know the title
More seething if true

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>When it comes to input and stuff like that... um, how do I say this... some stuff is just like, "Oh, it's done?!" sort of vibe. And then, some stuff they come back to me being like, "Hey, what do you think?" I'm like "Oh! Thank you for asking!".
https://youtu.be/fmz6Ds1UPkY?t=2442
40:42 if the timestamp doesn't work, though plenty of her thoughts throughout the vod.

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>>24730198
I hope this is the start of IRyS being more assertive with management and getting more control over her own music
all the best holo songs are a product of talent involvement, nobody wants to listen to something that has zero personal affinity with the chuuba they like

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>>24700442
IRyS needs Suisei correction

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>>24730198
Thx a million! Fellow IRyStocrat!
Really the info I wanted to know. IRyS has said this line.
> IRyS: I love when someone suddenly shows up anticlimactically to say “yo stuff is ready”

It hurts me to see IRyS like this, but IRyS has good humor. Kiara could learn a ton from IRyS, but Kiara is secretly sponsored by KamiClips so no.
Back on topic, the more I know, the shittier and more hopeless I feel, it feels so hopeless that I lost the will to seethe or rage.

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>>24730544
>Kiara could learn a ton from IRyS,
IRyS cried on stream a week or so back in the middle of an ongoing depression arc where she has talked a lot about not being happy with stuff. Meanwhile it is months ago since Kiara had some dumb out of context clip made. If anything her call outs has scared KamiClips off from doing [serious] clips. Plus in terms of asserting dominance over management Kiara is the one to learn from.

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>>24730544
Funny you use that line in reply to me because I am kfp, stop using my oshi to shitpost.. Truth is no one deserves to be jerked around by Cover's incompetent music production staff. It's dumb that the talents have to learn project management themselves to get ahead.

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>>24729871
The singer of the group is Canadian-Chinese.

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>>24730741
> in terms of asserting dominance over management Kiara is the one to learn from.
This one. Only this one. I give it to Kiara. Anything else to IRyS :)

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>>24730779
> I am kfp, stop using my oshi to shitpost.
My bad. Not shitpost though, Kiara's pr rep always seems poor to me, some argue that's called honesty.

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>>24700366
Here Comes Hope is still her only good song.

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>>24730890
I'm not really sure you can blame her for an out of context clipper, could easily pull the same on IRyS if someone wanted to. "[Serious] Management Didn't even tell her the songs name!" *Crying IRyS thumbnail*, "[Serious] IRyS NOT allowed to work with who she wants" *Crying IRyS and Bae thumbail*, "[Serious] IRyS will have to wait longer for her new outfit" *Shrek with IRyS hair*.

Seems like your knowledge of both is very threadreader. In terms of keeping active online, promoting music, creating an if anything overzealous fanbase, I can't fault Kiara while IRyS only really stumbles on the music cause of management.

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>>24731991
>I'm not really sure you can blame her for an out of context clipper

1) being clipped out of context one time = could be coincidence
2) Kiara has being clipped "so called out of context" two three four five. . . .
3) I also checked the original stream, so out of context doesn't apply
4) one time when Myth collabs, Kiara happily complaint about management, Mori also happily followed along, while the other three are shocked. It tells anyone enough about their pr rep. I’m not complaining if Kiara is a twitch streamer, but she isn’t.
5) watched Kiara once in a while since long time ago (and countless times in collab), I’ve gotten a grasp of her style/persona
6) what IRyS complained and what Kiara complained are different things (Kiara is insentitive enough to put colleagues in bad light, this is big no no)
7) Kiara doesn’t have the humor to get away with negative topics or rants (when Kiara rants, she is absolutely angry and negative, fine when it’s not related to colleage/company, but really bad when it does)

Just trying to reply you as courtesy, not trying to debate you, I’m sure Kiara has been discussed and debated countless times on vt. Will not reply because I don’t want derail IRyS thread.

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>>24732756
Yeah that is schizo shit, and it is obvious you only watched the clip. Ina even followed up on the joke but I'm sure there's some reason that doesn't count. Its pretty obvious you've not watched either much as both have complained about the problems of working with management in pretty similar ways. Including music and MVs.

Put colleagues in a bad light with a chuuni lore joke, Jesus Christ.

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>>24724723
Wrong (2)

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>>24700366
It’s doing better than Watame’s work, so I think she’s fine.

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>>24733587
RIP your oshi's next original

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>>24700366
Why does every IRyS song sound like she's doing a karaoke cover? There's never some distinct feature that makes her own her music, she doesn't impart anything characteristic upon the songs. I didn't get the soulless meme at first, but the more I hear of her it's as though she's just a vocaloid generating tones, there's no signature traits...

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>>24733587
I actually find Watame to have a lot nice orisong. Watame's probably the Holos with most nice orisong after Suisei (or maybe more than Suisei)

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>>24730544
Actually irys should be more like kiara and say what she thinks

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>>24734557
Do you mean A or B?
A) be more demanding with management (off-stream)
B) or rant about management in the stream

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>>24734430
Watame has several songs composed by deco*27, I want a deco*27 IRyS song too

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>>24734800
Well she has done B a little, but should up it and A. That's how all Holos get anything done including Kiara. You make the managers work for you, I think Kiara, Mori and maybe Ame have made that sort of point.

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>>24735093
>make the managers work for you
They did.

> IRyS: I love it when someone suddenly shows up anticlimactically to say “yo stuff is ready”

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>>24734557
She's too Japanese to say what she thinks. I'm being serious.

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>>24735333
Well that's a start, now bully them into giving say a 3 week warning and correct song title before shilling.

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>>24735428
IRyS probably tried to request more from management but it didn't work. The situation continued for a while. IRyS being unhappy/depressed for a while. She finally spilled the beans a little to audience.

> She's too Japanese to say what she thinks. I'm being serious.
You're describing as if IRyS is too shy to asks more from management. Then proceed to bypass management and directly tell the issue to audience. Which is really bitchy move. I don't think this is possible. IRyS must have talked to management before talking the issue to audience.

IRyS doesn't look like a pushy person, so she might not trying to force/strongarm the management to do a better job.

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>>24735428
too Japanese to say what she thinks
&
not savage enough to force people to do things her ways

are two different things.

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>>24735868
>Then proceed to bypass management and directly tell the issue to audience. Which is really bitchy move
It really is not that weird to complain about management issues on stream. Do you not watch zatsu content much?

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>>24736223
>>24736223
>not that weird to complain about management issues on stream
You misunderstood. Bypass management means not reflecting/discussing the issue with management (or actually agrees with management), but later chosen to reflect it to audience. It is a bitch move and wrong in many senses, one of the main reason is you're actually threatening the company with the audience, without the intention to communicate with the company.

>not that weird to complain about management issues on stream
Depends on you how define weird. You must have realized a corporate chuuba must have dozens of dissatisfaction about the company or its decisions. Imagine an autistic or stubborn or stuck-up chuuba who always can’t get along with the company and staff. She has a lot of dissatisfaction, and tell them all to the audience. Even if she’s the one in the wrong, audience couldn’t tell at all. And caused tons of drama , and damaged the reputation of both company and talents. That’s why most Holos don’t complain a lot about management, but only do it from time to time. (also do it wisely of course)

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>>24737809
Yeah you're making up rules, the only limit is going out there saying you hate them and they're the worst. You seem much more anal about this than any actual holo desu.

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>>24715600
there is no advantage. Management is actually retarded. Hololive's advantage is that they are biggest, but relatively recently, like 2-3 years.
That means that obviously best streamers tried their luck with that and made it, but behind that there are literally same people that tried to make AR software and manchild groomers at higher positions. Add japanese autism with bureaucracy and their "superior is always right or company loses face" shit
Just watch her streams and enjoy her, but don't expect anything more that requires any form of external support. English songs are written by ESL, MVs are static images, she won't get any advertisement on reddit, 3d or outfit.
t. /HIRyS/ resident

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>>24739273
> there are literally same people that tried to make AR software
Heard this a lot, I believed it’s true coz Cover made a lot of ridiculous mistakes. In earlier days, they streamed games without any copyright, later got copystriked hard and being mocked as “illegal streaming organization”. Hopefully after years of shitstorm and yab they’ve learned few tricks as an entertainment company.
> japanese autism with bureaucracy and their "superior is always right or company loses face" shit
I’m pretty sure this applies internationally.
> Just watch her streams and enjoy her, but don't expect anything more that requires any form of external support.
Orisong en lyric sux >> Given up >> Till the end of me is an improvement for orisong >> Hopes up >> MV has PS2 cg graphics but worse >> Given up >> IRyS stated no control over production >> Given up

But you can live a life without hope? Expecting nothing good in future, at all, for the rest of your life?

> English songs are written by ESL
Dead wrong. He’s not an ESL. He’s an ETL who has never watched en drama or listened en songs in his entire life. How do I know? Because I’m ESL. Her orisong en lyrics give me stroke, every-time. The lyrics sound so awkward to the extent I can’t even fathom who in sane mind would finalize or approve the lyrics.
Always been wondering how an EOP feels about her orisong. (some seem happy?)
> MVs are static images
I’d rather this is the case, but new MV actually has a lot of uncanny PS2 cg.
> she won't get any advertisement on reddit
Reddit actually posts Holos’ new orisong (am I exposed now lol, go back, go back), but I really doubt if it helps much. Despite being posted on reddit, a lot of orisongs still have poor views.
> she won't get 3d or outfit.
According to debut order, IRyS is the next one to get 3d
(but Cover somehow made me lost quite some faith in it)
> t. /HIRyS/ resident
Good to see another IRyStocrat

[Anonymous No.]

This one, HERE COMES HOPE and あかつきと花 are legitimately good, really like those. Her vocals are funnily enough the weak link in 心臓が止まるまで, which is a reversion of the usual situation.
She needs some kind of vocal training to bring out a more unique voice, however. I think >>24733955 defines it well as "sounds like a karaoke cover". She's a very competent singer, and it becomes even more clear when others cover her songs, she makes some really difficult songs seem easy, but she needs a signature sound that isn't the slight nasal sound. This is in some level unavoidable and just how she sounds, but it's up to her production team to find the kind of compositions that will suit her voice the most. Even without taking her wishes into consideration, that's the face of the project, they're marketing it as IRyS, the vsinger, not Hololive Sound Team ft. IRyS, the vtuber. Her voice needs to be the main aspect of the music. They're fucking it up.
Unless they push for more HERE COMES HOPE kind of stuff, which is very unique and distinct among holos, so she won't necessarily need a distinct sound to her voice, just being able to sing the song, no matter how difficult, will be more than enough. But it still falls into "finding a unique sound for Project Hope", even if not on the vocal side.

[Anonymous No.]

>ugly avatar
shes ngmi, the song is irrelevant

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>>24705222
Every language is poetic in some way. Singers just don't question what they have to sing because they usually don't give a shit. Bae is the only EN who bothered to change some of Camellia's lyrics, and that alone is more than every EN. barring Mori, obviously

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>>24700366
>Sparks
>good song
lol

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>>24743815
The AZKi treatment is still on the table. I'm not fan of it personally but AZKi got a lot of new fans and has been inclining ever so slightly since then.
So they have a precedent for re-designing their Vsingers. They can save her for irrelevancy if they're willing to put some money on the table.

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>>24740879
>Always been wondering how an EOP feels about her orisong.
Some are better than others, but it's mostly tolerable to me. The only song that really stands out to me as having outright bad English lyrics is Sparks of Joy.
t. EOP

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>>24700366
Surprised to see so much love for Play Dice at all here, it was ripped to shreds /here/ when it came out as being tryhard. My vote is still for Play Dice but this is far and away a good sign for Irys who has gotten the short fuckin end of the stick for everything

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>>24744294
>Bae is the only EN who bothered to change some
I don't think that is all together true, most have some input on the lyrics. There being times no changes are needed doesn't mean they don't care, it means they hired the right people to craft the idea they had. I wouldn't say play dice is particularly special in terms of lyrics either. It is a character song that suits her but a few ENs have those and are just as well suited. Even Fauna talked about her whole idea of being in Hololive is like a fairy tale come true for her and that is an overt theme of the track.

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>>24700366
It's so generic and boring