Gifted subs

[Anonymous No.]

Are they good or bad?
What's the deal with them?
Why did Ame say pic related?

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>>24630347
>or else u get ban
HOLY MOTHER OF BASED
Gifted subs were a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
HOLY....BASED BEYOND BELIEF

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
BASED AME
BASED

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
BASED BASED BASED
I kneel investigators, I kneel to you and your oshi
let me write you a love letter <3

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>>24630347
I think the logic is that members are supposed to be your most devoted fans, so they feel comfortable with sharing things they wouldn't with the general subscribers with them in the members only posts, because they know most of them won't leak it. Gifting memberships makest it so a large amount of random people get acess to these posts, and thus makes it less exclusive, both for the other members but also to Ame herself. Mind you, this is just conjecture on my part.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone explain to me why Gifted Subs are a bad thing? I might just be incredibly retarded but I don't see why it needs this harsh of a response.

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>>24630347
On twitch it’s fine since there’s no subs only content but it’s completely different on YouTube

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>>24630647
$5

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>>24630347
She won’t ban anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
Seems likes no one in HoloEN likes the feature.

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>>24630751
More than most people are willing to pay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630751
Exactly, poorfags don't deserve the extra content if they cant afford 5 fucking dollars

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
Knowing her it's a joke, but I think you can't pick the tier you're gifting anyway.

>>24630685
The difference from twitch is the membership streams and posts, which some people feel like shouldn't be offered to everyone. But the stuff there gets leaked anyway, and I imagine it would happen even if the memberships were $20 or even $50 a month.

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>>24630347
Ame said that because she doesn't know how the gifting works.

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>>24630647
Makes them feel like that maybe but they know everything they say and do even in members is recorded and while not on YouTube is on Nyaa. It's probably more making their actual paying members not feel special and possibly canceling that is concerning them.

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>>24630347
It’s a dogshit (in its current state) feature that gives random people access to members only content

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>>24630347
woman moment

[Anonymous No.]

noooo not the hecking poorfags getting into my exclusive inner circle for refined gentlemen and most devoted fans where the streamer can share their deepest secrets to us (her real friends) (only actual requirement to get in previously was five (5) dollars by the way)

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>>24630347
Not your secret club anymore. Unicorns, seethe. Chuubas, cry

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>>24630886
Those are the proactive schizos who would probably pay $5 if they they couldn't steal content.

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>>24630892
What do you mean random? You can't choose who you're gifting to?

[Anonymous No.]

I fucking hate how gifted subs are sent to random subscribers instead of being able to give it directly to a friend because there is always the possibility of gifting it to a retarded anti.

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>>24630347
and that's why she's irrelevant, you can't gakekeep shit like this

[Anonymous No.]

Nah, I just want old youtube back without these monetary system shit. also annotations and FREE anime in 240p...

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>>24630347
Giftfagging ruins communities.

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>>24630647
No, management is freaking the fuck out at cover right now. JP talent don't know how to handle this new change cause change to japs is their kryptonite and they don't know how to say thank you for a mem gift, and EN is freaking out because they know their fanbase is shit ad will "ruin" their member streams. as for cover they are upset that this will drive a wedge between their regular supporting members who pay their membership every month and some rando who gets a free trial and never comes back. I think everyone all around is being retarded at hololive and their fans are coping by saying le grey names but they should be aware now that they're just living npcs that just hand 1st tier mem money a month like in cookie clicker or something. Honestly I think its disgusting the thing ame did.

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>>24631011
>you can't gakekeep shit like this
why?

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>>24631007
It's not even to subscribers, I got gifted a Mooms membership and I'm not even subscribed. I can't use the emotes cause her chat is subs only.

[Anonymous No.]

i will gift chinks just out of spite, teacucks are goslings of the worst calliber

[Anonymous No.]

It's hilarious that HoloENfags are the ones complaining the most about this. Your girls literally already have tens of thousands of members, you never had muh comfy members streams.

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>>24631011
>you can't gatekeep a specific system that was just implemented
Are you fucking retarded?

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>>24631128
Personally I don't care about it, but if my oshi says that gifted grays are second class citizens then that's what they are.

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>>24630647
>they feel comfortable with sharing things they wouldn't with the general subscribers
For money.
It's a service offered FOR MONEY.
Stop acting like there's the deep emotional bond or whatever, because you can't simultaneously say that it exists when there's a monetary incentive to get it.

What you're describing is purely transactional, or are you saying a $5 youtube membership is somehow more personal than a fucking $5 onlyfans or patreon membership?
IT'S BUSINESS

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>>24630347
I don't like Amelia anymore but that's based as shit. Respect.

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>>24630347
Holoturds seething because they will feel less special on weekly shit GFE ASMR streams, lmao

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>>24630347
Cannot be ban if I’m already banned

[Anonymous No.]

Exclusive content is weird and is one step removed from going full-Rushia. This is clearly something Cover is pushing to create more emotional dependency on the paypigs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631128
>HoloENfags are the ones complaining the most about this
Take a look at the NijiEN thread and you'll see how 90% of people there also hate it.

[Anonymous No.]

> NOOO MY GFE STREAMS NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

Just remember that every argument about why gatekeeping membership isn't a bad thing applies even more to 4chan. Instead of 5 dollars it's literally knowing how to type in an address. Instead of 'muh culture' accept that there isn't any real difference between an ""oldfag"" and a redditor who popped in yesterday. We must embrace the normies, /vt/.

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>>24631313
Wait until you hear about Patreon. Retard.

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>>24631128
>>24631266
>only the Holos
lol lot of Nijis too, personally i cant wait for Selen to implement a extra tier for these second class citizens

[Anonymous No.]

This is just further proof that everyone at cover is completely oblivious to how the livestream meta works now.
>But muh comfy streams!
Bitch, you get upwards of 10k viewers, you don't got nothing but a sea of noise and any streamer who says otherwise is lying to you, and themselves.

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>>24631011
Nice bait nigger, here's your (You).

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631313
good times grandpa, I wish the old youtube back in 2005 without all of these bullshit fuckery.

[Anonymous No.]

reminder that shitters complaining about this and gatekeeping new members are delusional GFEfags

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631382
Patreon doesn't pretend it's personal bullshit though, it's upfront that's it just business unlike you gfe retards who act otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631404
The random /vt/ retard here knows better, surely. I love when some moron here thinks they have any sound business advice for literally any agency or indie vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
BASED
MY QUEEN
BASED

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>>24630751
I member to a lot of holos and I'm amazed that some of the shit they said during membership streams never leaked here.
The only two holos whose statements are leaked are Mori and Ollie. That 5 dollars is the ultimate filter for shitposters on this board.

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>>24631527
Yeah dude, you and 10k other people know this important secret, sooo exclusive.

It's just parasocial viewer baiting so they can feel more connected

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>>24631382
Patreon is a micro donations platform. Its mostly a way to donate to podcasters, YouTubers, and porn artists who mostly publish free content. Patreon-exclusive content is and usually mediocre and the platform is terrible for actually consuming content.

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>>24631574
One Holo literally said they were a dyke during membership. That would defeat the entire purpose of baiting gachikois. Looking forward to your mental gymnastics to attempt explaining it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631470
I don't know what goes on in a membership stream. Considering you're definitely a poorfag or just an anti, neither do you. You're just constantly schizoing about muh GFE or some shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631487
Anything that chokes off potential growth on these platforms is death by a thousand cuts, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631462
The girls themselves are GFEfags? Because they are the ones that are complaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630996
I’assuming it works like twitch where you can either choose a specific person or gift out x amount of random subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631457
These new features are just ways for them to catch up to Twitch in terms of monetization. They have tried a million ways to include exclusive content, and it usually doesn't work since the entire model relies on free content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631636
Mm. Okay. Whatever.

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>>24631404
Pretty sure it's not about that, it's about this becoming a normal thing for streamers and loosing a certain type of comfort zone due to now everyone being able to watch some of the streamers when they feel like they can be at their most honest selfs. Saying stupid sheit like
>Lol suck it up, you're getting more money anyway
Isn't what the whole thing is about.

[Anonymous No.]

People defending this ethot behavior really disgusts me. This is literal just chatting twitch ehtot behavior. Looks like ame is going back to her roots

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631586
>porn artists
All but the most vanilla normalfaggy artists are fleeing there due to all the bullshit Patreon has been forcing over the years. You can't even post basic BDSM without constantly reminding people that everything is consensual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631691
t.seething poorfag

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>>24631624
>That would defeat the entire purpose of baiting gachikois
Gachikois don't view lesbian as cucking, they view it as 3some

source. 4chan, 5ch, en twitter, jp twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631691
twitchthots complains on gifted subs too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631527
Yeah I am sure they are freely sharing rrats to their careful curated paypig audience.

[Anonymous No.]

This is so easy just make a new tier $5.00 a month that gives access to members streams, and keep the old one $4.99 for emotes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631691
>discouraging people from gift subbing the most expensive tier is being an e-thot

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>>24630647
>watch vtuber for the first time
>buy membership
>now magically you are one of her most devoted fans and she can comfortably share her menhera thoughts with you
Kek, imagine thinking that paying $5 makes you some kind of emotionally connected person to a chuuba, parasocial fags at their finest

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>>24630347
>Are they good or bad?
It upsets the paypigs, which amuses me, even though gifted subs only work if a paypig forks over money to do it.
>What's the deal with them?
Someone buys a bunch of them, and it appears at the top of the chat and people can click on it to redeem it.
>Why did Ame say pic related?
Because she's Ame.

[Anonymous No.]

> t.seething poorfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631691
...what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631691
>actively discouraging a source of more money
>but if retards with too much money still insist on gifting anyway, do it with this crappy option or get banned
>ethot
The average IQ of the /vt/ poster is 5.

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> The average IQ of the /vt/ poster is 5.

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>>24631691
Even ethots don’t do that shit, Amelia is just being a bitch for no reason

[Anonymous No.]

teacucks will defend this bitch

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>>24631635
>I don't know what goes on in a membership stream. Considering you're definitely a poorfag or just an anti, neither do you
Let me pretend I don't pay for memberships and level with you.
They still get ripped and uploaded to the usual places so you can watch them for free.
Poorfags have 0 excuse for not being able to watch member streams.

>You're just constantly schizoing about muh GFE or some shit.
There's no other way to describe it.
Members literally take pride and roleplay along with the secrecy, and feel more connected with the streamer because they have information the general public doesn't. That is the definition of GFE because there is simulated intimate knowledge being presented for a private individual(as audience surrogate)

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>>24631870
Nice samefag attempt, but you can’t hide how stupid you really are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630751
If that argument held up then there'd be no point of gifted memberships as every subscriber would be a member already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631751
Pretty sure that's what she's done.

[Anonymous No.]

Chuubas are already inherently parasocial, so having a personal VIP club is GFE by definition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631738
>>24631870
You guys are right ethots don’t complain at all about gifted subs. So does this make ame even worse then them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631870
>samefagging to damage control your fucking retarded post
The IP count didn't increase.

[Anonymous No.]

>wojack
Average gifted nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631900
>That is the definition of GFE because there is simulated intimate knowledge being presented for a private individual
The "definition" of GFE gets stretched more and more by retards like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631900
Too much shizoposting. Not reading that. One sentence only next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631694
Fanbox does seem to have more juicy stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631940
>he’s still going
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630751
if you can't pass an easy barrier of 5$ that says a lot about how much you care about your oshi

[Anonymous No.]

> The "definition" of GFE gets stretched more and more by retards like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630751
0.40 $ ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631900
>>24631936
You don't know what definition means, do you?

[Anonymous No.]

The Greychad and Paypig civil war has now begun.

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>>24631934
the fuck are those names, fucking cringe yo

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632032
heh

[Anonymous No.]

> if you can't pass an easy barrier of 5$ that says a lot about how much you care about your oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632086
Why leave money on the table right?

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>>24631967
>>24632036
That's not stretching the defintion, that's applying it consistently instead of picking and choosing.

>>24631975
Good response, you proved me wrong with your counter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631934
>$1000 a month
VTubing should be made illegal.

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[Anonymous No.]

If its such a problem to Cover and holomems, why dont they just make their own streaming website? Cover is a multimillion dollar corporation, they have the money. Why kneel to Susan at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631967
You guys are the ones that changed the term by pretending it's not a whore term.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632122
>make up a new definition
>use the made up one as much as possible to try to legitimize it
where have I seen that before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632131
I'm interested in how much you believe it costs to run a streaming website.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632124
>ARS
>$
You fucking retard.

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>>24631781
You'd be surprised on that, unlike twitch where you would at least get the benefit of using the streamers emotes on other streams, paying a 5 dollar on a monthly subscription thing is more than most people are willing to pay for. (Unless you're a devoted anti or drama fishing)

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632131
They would be nothing without Susan and the algorithm. If they tried streaming on Twitch they would be destroyed by indies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632164
>you guys
all I want is for retards to stop calling every polite human interaction GFE

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>>24631687
>streamers when they feel like they can be at their most honest selfs.
ESLchama, any streamer that puts out content runs the risk of anything they say coming back to haunt them. The idea that their memberships were ever really "private" is some next level copeium, and recent events should've shattered that delusion with these whores.
>>24632131
Because despite being a tech company that is legit investing time and money into a fucking metaverse style project, ensuring the core business isn't subjected to Susan's whims and retardation is too much for these retards to figure out, apparently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630958
kek

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>>24632201
What the fuck is ARS?

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For me the good part of member streams is that the streamer doesn't need to deal with stupid shit in the chat like ''is this your real voice, how old are you, where do you live, I know you are a guy'', members normally understand how the personality of that streamer works and the things not to say, obviously some talks and content will leak but they can relax in a way where the stream is not about the ''buff game of the month'' or some well prepared 3D event

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632269
holy newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632171
>make up new defintion
Where did I do this? What exactly did I say that doesn't line up with previous definition, you made the claim so back it up.

[Anonymous No.]

They're just afraid the bots they use to pump their numbers will wind up with memberships and it's an accounting issue because it looks like money laundering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632131
This board is filled with children. Case in point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632255
You guys are the ones that did that. It was originally a term meant for literal prostitution. Either someone changed the definition, or the original implication was that chuubas are equivalent to whores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632269
the national currency of argentinian pirates

[Anonymous No.]

i really don't know why half of Hololive EN thinks that just because something is paywalled means its secret and nobody else will see it. its the internet nothing is private here. they should stop talking about sensitive stuff in general just entertain your audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632308
>erm acktually I was not the one to create the false definition, so I win

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>>24630347
Reposting my previous comment. Ame is BASED

The point of membership is that it’s low enough for literally anyone from any shithole country over 18 can join. And high enough that you can’t possibly have a membership for every single chuubas from every agencies. So at the VERY LEAST you filter out DDD and literal children. But more likely, you also filter out casual watchers, tourists and people who have different oshis.
So even though, members aren’t all I-folowed-you-since-the-first-day hardcore fans, but also a bunch of just-membered-for-the-first-month new fans, it is still unbelievably more intimate and safe than any public stream.
And anyone who has ever watcher a member stream from any chuuba, ever can testify of that.
Gifting memberships, will enable, all the of the previously mentioned shitheads to bypass the paywall and destroy this feeling on intimacy.

But there is actually an easy fix − beside disabling the gifting − you could just make member stream limited to 2+ months members, since less than 5% of gifted memberships are renewed, that would filter out all tourists who got lucky once.

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>>24632231
not him but they could try streaming simultaneously with a holo-dedicated streaming site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631196
Think of it like this, a grayfag is unwilling to support the content they consume
Membership filters the grays
Even if its just five bucks it does wonders for filtering the shit tier fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632408
How much do you believe it would cost them to, say, stream one hour at 720p to 1,000 viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630647
>>24630751
>For 5 dollarinos you too can learn about Kronii's family troubles
>Yes, this includes Kronii's dad/brother/uncle who is a source of her troubles

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632385
You made the claim I made a new definition, so back it up. You claimed I did something so give me proof that I did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632398
>this feeling on intimacy
Okay whore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632334
>You guys
Man, you really want to slap that label on, don’t you? I hate GFE. Actual GFE. As in vtubers pretending to love (You) and acting like your internet girlfriend. I also hate retards that think a girl doing something as small as saying happy birthday is GFE.

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>>24630751
Literally zero arguments against what this anon is saying, which is that $5 is not a sufficient method of filtering out annoying faggots, let alone filtering out antis. Just look at Ollie. People on this very board do the ARS trick to member her with the express purpose of capping member posts that make her look bad, like what happened a few days ago.

Any hololive talent that streams memberships like Ollie does (a safe space where they feel more comfortable to say or do whatever without scrutiny) will eventually get bitten in the ass just like Ollie did. It only takes one schizo anti with $5 to spare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632470
Less than what jewtube takes from 1 stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632398
>you could just make member stream limited to 2+ months members,
That would be an easy solution.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632465
Correct, but it's still a transaction.
The moment a paywall exists it can longer be likened to real fan or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632465
Imagine equating kings that will never simp with "shit tier fans"

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632479
>every time typed by everyone MUST be literal
holy autism batman
you need to get on disabilities for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630958
Yet it was too much money for you.
>No it wasn't.
Then why didn't you member?
>Because I don't care about [x]

There you go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
You can paint a nigger green but they will always be grey inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632408
They could try something similar to Destiny gg.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632398
This is objectively correct and the people defending reddit in the last thread never even tried to argue against your post. I predict a bunch of posts following this one repeating "OMG NOOO MY SECRET CLUB" to which the fags will epically own them with "heh do paypiggies really, parasocial, GFE, ethot, lol ill pirate it anyways, gatekeeping, $5, etc."

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632131
Because it would be a giant moneysink. You need fucking amazon's/Google's/facebook's advertisement platforms and tracking algorithms to make it profitable. And those three companies have made sure that nobody else can enter that market. Google it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632561
This isn't autism, it's common sense, it's how rational humans engage with one another.
If your claim is I'm wrong then substantiate it with something reasonable.

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>>24630347
gifted subs make /vt/ seethe so they are a good thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632398
>you could just make member stream limited to 2+ months members
Is that actually possible or are you talking out of your ass?

Regardless, considering how lenient cover has been in other cases, I don't think disabling them outright would even be a issue, and if you are one of the few vtubers that actually take advantage of the $5 paywall that's your best course of action

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632528
>source my ass
Yeah I'm sure all the infrastructure required would just cost them a couple of thousand bucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632603
The post you replied to literally says
>destroy this feeling on intimacy
>intimacy
if that isn't parasocial viewer baiting I don't know is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632664
>Is that actually possible or are you talking out of your ass?
That’s a fix for YouTube. But no, as a content creator you can’t. Maybe you can make the chat to 2 months members only and I’m not even sure of that.

[Anonymous No.]

it's over GFE turds, your delusions of exclusivity is rotting your brain

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631061
You can be a member without being subscribed to the channel.

[Anonymous No.]

I would honestly rather watch a stream filled with random greys as opposed to a stream filled with green named simps sending superchats about how their dog died and how X streamer has helped them through these tough times.

There is NOTHING respectable about being a simp.

[Anonymous No.]

so what's the verdict here, the richbro wants to share their girlfriends to 20 or 30 greymens? Also free money for cover?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632131
Growth potential. Seeing a random Eekum Bokum clip in my recommendations and checking it out was what god me into Hololive. If they were in their own platform, away from me, I would never even learn of them, let alone bother with using a different platform to check them out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632509
starting to sing happy birthday is not normal and i only see holos do it. It brings in money but so does putting a shoe on your head.

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>>24632649
NTA but no, you're a major autist and this is the most autistic line of argumentation. Makes sense since you don't seem to understand some very simple social concepts based on your earlier posts.

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>>24632544
Look, the reason membership is personal is not the 5 dollars, its that the content creator makes it personal
Not all memberships are the same even if they might cost the same
The five dollars might create a filter that permits more personal content, but only if the vtuber makes it personal

>>24632558
Delusional

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632779
How many times have you samefagged already? Give it a rest, holy fuck. Loser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632131
Micro fucking soft tried and failed

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632472
I didn't even need to pay since so many kronies can't shut up about the content of their member streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632718
>intimacy
I’m still in the thread. Replace this by "proximity" if you want. It’s not a question of befriending the streamer, it’s a question of filtering out non-fans and/or shit fans. People more likely to leak stuff, more likely to start drama, less likely to support the streamer, etc.
The more people you give access the less safe the stream is. For instance, my oshi’s stream are never on torrents, because we are well-behave. I want it to stay that way.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe a rich person will start gifting subs like crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632815
Meds

[Anonymous No.]

me and the boys gifting memberships

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632360
tf an argentinian pirate

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632807
>Makes sense since you don't seem to understand some very simple social concepts
My line of reasoning IS simple social concepts
Any time anyone reasonable engages with anyone in conversation you substantiate what you say
>A boss telling you why you're getting a raise, a professor telling you why you should do this, a girlfriend telling you why she feels bad
People make claims and then back them up, this is the most basic thing in human interaction.

If you want to say my description of it is autistic then fine, but this is literally how every interaction goes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632819
Microsoft is one of the most incompetent companies imaginable tho. They get by purely by virtue or having a monopoly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632901
>/vt/anon only looks on the downside like antis getting free subs or something
>rich normalfags just want their oshi be even more well-known through sharing

[Anonymous No.]

Why are nijiniggers complaining about this when their talents are doing the same thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633029
The difference between parasocial nerds and normal, well-adjusted people who want to see a content creator they like develop a larger fanbase + get more money. Same goes for the holomems, these girls are autistic as fuck relative to normal, well-adjusted streamers who understand that gifted memberships is the best way to grow your fanbase and get a shitload of money.

[Anonymous No.]

No, gifted subs are a net gain for streamer and company alike, everyone gets money(which is the entire point of gifted subs really).
Only the holowhores and their mentally ill fans are upset about it, the whores because they've had everything handed to them since joining Hololive, and the fans because "muh personal time with muh oshi and her 2k other members".

Everyone else though? Couldn't be happier. Its crazy how self entitled the EN girls are, although Ame's always been a giga cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632810
>>24632846
>personal
>proximity
It's interesting that you're giving a lot of redundant and superfluous justifications for what was ultimately said earlier about this being parasocial baiting.

There's nothing wrong with personal or intimate content, but why are you lying and obfuscating this thread by acting as if this isn't the ultimate draw for memberships?

You've been shitting on the GFE, parasocial replies when what you just said right there is exactly what they're getting at with less words.

[Anonymous No.]

>L-LOOK I AM N-NOT ONLY GIVING YOU MONEY BUT ALSO GETTING MORE PEOPLE TO JOIN YOU!!! I-I'M HELPING YOU GROW!! LOOK!!!! LOOK AT ME PLEASE!!!! LOOOOOOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>YAY!! I DON'T GIVE ENOUGH SHITS ABOUT THIS STREAMER TO THROW 5 BUCKS THEIR WAY A MONTH BUT I'M SO HAPPY I GET TO BE PART OF THE CLUB NOW!!!! I TOTALLY BELONG!!!!!
These are the types of people happy about gifted memberships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633029
Seriously, dedicated antis already have memberships. At worst you're gifting subs to people who don't care and won't do anything with it or even watch the members streams, just like the majority of twitch gifted subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
iunno what's got all these chuubas so pissy about it
like grow up

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633097
Holy projection.

[Anonymous No.]

My favorite part from the last thread was reddit being so vigilantly paranoid about parasociality and "simping" to the point that they actually start shitting on and saying terrible, genuinely nasty things about the people they are supposedly fans of just to prove how much of a "non-simp" they were.

[Anonymous No.]

parasocialfags btfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633097
>not directly replying to salient arguments, instead opting to vaguepost and misrepresent them in the most strawman-y way possible
This is the type of person who feels that $5 makes membership streams sacrosanct because it's the closest thing he feels to a sense of belonging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633097
>he thinks paying $5 a month to a thot makes him part of a club
truly sad existence
there are 10,000 other simps paying the same amount of you, the club isn't exclusive

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632398
The only solution is to make 2 tiers: 1 tier is the gifted tier which is 5 USD. The 2nd tier is 25 USD and make it actual member content. If you are going to to actually support your oshi, pay an amount that will matter after Cover's cut from membership.

[Anonymous No.]

>IT'S NOT PARASOCIAL
>IT'S NOT GFE
>but it's personal
whatever you say anons
keep coping

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633238
I would personally love if gifted memberships were locked at $5 and the holomems were basically forced to lock member's content behind an increased paywall ($10 or so). Watching parasocial simps cope over the cost of their secret club doubling would be funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633095
>MUH GFE
Only one of the post you replied to is mine. But you are not even remotely close to the reason why I am against gifted subs and by trying to deflect to MUH GFE, you just sound retarded.

>>24633238
Or disable gifted subs entirely. It doesn’t need to be a high tier, even 5$ is enough to filter out DDD and children.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633094
Hey nijibrony, your girls are doing the same thing, you realize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633284
You're right, I'm sorry.
It's not GFE, it's just a girl providing personal intimate content to a select group of people.
Totally not the same, the difference is huge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633098
Then why members post start leaking once member gift were implemented and not before?

[Anonymous No.]

Not that most of the people itt watch streams or anything but Ame was joking in that post and she said she wanted to gift subs herself to people(which is not how that works)
Shes not against it but she understands how membership gatekeeping is good
basically this >>24632398

[Anonymous No.]

Caring about whether random people get gifted subs is stupid, take your money and shut up

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633330
Oh wow wait you're the autist trying to redefine GFE too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633349
I hope you aren't talking about Ollie here. Her posts were leaked by people who paid for a membership.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know about you guys but it took me some convincing myself to pay a membership to my oshi. So there is a higher barrier than you think.
It was only like six bucks but for some reason i felt disgust when thinking about paying youtube.
Sadly IRyS was too cute for me to not do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633330
>>24633330
>to a select group of people.
>5$
>not even worth a full meal
Very very selective. Exclusive content. Basically a date. WOW.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633330
Well no its not the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633094
you forgot your selen image
>Ame's always been a giga cunt
filtered by banter kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633284
>DDD
the hell is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631934
>attacking ame but not ina

[Anonymous No.]

Gura uses memberships to have actual chat interactions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633457
Go the fuck back

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633457
Dare demo Daisuki

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633400
The guy who post it was a gift member, gotta look for that screencap but is everywhere already

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633457
it means im a whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630751
That's enough to filter most undesirables like bots, trolls, some antis (not all), children, people who is proud of not giving a cent to streamers, and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>handwrinnging about "parasocial" shit
sure smells like reddit in here
go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633446
You're literally describing how most people will respond to a gifted membership. They like the streamer, they will behave in the chat, they won't leak content and will respect the exclusivity of the content. They just couldn't rationalize giving money to jewtube/jewgle, or were too lazy to set up a credit card or something. The catastrophizing and paranoia over antis sitting around and hoping they get hit with a gifted sub is retarded, if someone truly hated a holomem they'd get a VPN and ARS member to her, then leak her shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Its funny how so many people came out the woodwork to express their disapproval of membership exclusive content AFTER youtube enabled handouts, they sure were silent before this happened and it was the norm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633457
Dare demo daisuki. AKA unityfag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633522
Seriously, the faggot here has no reply against this. He keeps trying to redirect it to "muh GFE" as if that means anything, but the fact of the matter is that this works and has already been proven to work.

[Anonymous No.]

It's fucking hololive, there are thousands of other simps exactly like you. There was never any intimacy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633380
>>24633447
>>24633454
see >>24630647 >>24632398 >>24632465 >>24632810 >>24632846
Every argument you bring up always starts with
>It's just to filter out grey names
And always ends with
>It makes it more personal/intimate/closer
You can't say both things, and then pick and choose when someone calls it out.
Stand by your entire argument or admit you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
This entire argument is retarded.

>let people gift subs to watch member's streams
>but they can't chat in them

Problem solved. The comfy chat is retained because gifted members can't talk, but they can watch for the month they have access to it. If they enjoyed the membership content, they might renew it and become an actual member so they can join that community and grow it. If they didn't care about it, then their membership expires and nobody notices they were there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633611
You quoted so many different anons it's not even funny. You might need to take a break from posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633611
Gatekeeping ≠ GFE
The word you are looking for is Gatekeeping, stop trying to redefine GFE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633633
That's fine except I don't think you can actually do that.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't like underaged.
Don't like SEAfags
Don't like poorfags.

Membership streams were the only sanctuary to reduce the quantity of people like that, it should be protected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633539
If they couldn't get past the hurdle of paying for membership i doubt that they liked her that much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633665
I think Ame's Gifted Gator tier has access to sub chat, but not content (so the inverse of what I just proposed). If they can't do this as-is, it seems like YouTube would be able to configure it that way, so hopefully that can happen eventually as it seems the most fair and practical approach.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633670
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633658
Reread the post you illiterate fuck
It's both
It's start with filtering and ends with personal content.
The argument people are making is that it's both.
Not one or the other, but both

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
>A beaner complaining about being given free money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631934
>>24633470
How many tiers do you need when you're already making that much money?
It's like a fucking Patreon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633681
Zero rationale behind this thinking. You can't measure how much a person likes a content creator, or anything for that matter. It's impossible to quantify. Adding onto that the fact that a lot of people will have (reasonable) resistance to forking over money to a multibillion dollar company as annoying and shitty as Google/YouTube further muddies the water.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know where the impression that gifted subs would give more money to the streamer comes from. Would paypigs gift subs alongside their akasupas? Is there some kind of hidden audience that would want to donate to the streamer but refuse to do it via SC?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633733
There isn’t a single post you quoted that is talking about GFE.
Heck the chuubas I watch who DO make GFE do it in PUBLIC STREAMS.
But spoilers, secret projects, insecurities that you shouldn’t leak and other stuff are still behind paywall and it’s expected to gatekeep those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
Gift subs are a massive mistake but of course Ame goes to far and acts like a massive bitch about it. Can't believe I once called her oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630751
It could be 99 cents and it would already filter a ton of people. Just look at how many people refuse to pay anything for an app. This is not about filtering all unwanted viewers, but a majority of them.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are people pretending that the whole membership streams stuff isn't basically just for parasocial chitchat?
The exclusivity is the whole point.
Greynames are lesser. That's a fact. And it looks like quite a few of the girls view greynames as lesser as well since they want to block gifteds from seeing their member streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633801
>Is there some kind of hidden audience that would want to donate to the streamer but refuse to do it via SC?
Before the faggot replies again, I'll qualify your post by saying "would want to donate THROUGH YOUTUBE but refuse to do it via SC"

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630751
Thats a seaniggers monthly salary, can't spend it unless the convince their wives, sisters, and daughters to suck and fuck more old white cock

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633633
There's multiple ways that the system could be better but Susan is not smart enough for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633843
It's just attention whores seething that their attention whoring isn't appreciated and greyniggers seething that they are unwanted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633843
>white knighting women so hard that you defend the fact that they view paying customers as better people than non-paying customers
this level of simpery should be illegal

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633820
2 things can be true at once.
>Clouds are white AND are water droplets
See? 2 things both true and non contradicting.

Let me spell it out one more time, please follow.
>Memberships filter AND are parasocial
Are we clear? Are you willing to pretend that every person against gifting in this thread is SOLELY doing this because they ONLY want to filter grey names and want nothing else?
Once again, it's BOTH

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
i got one and i like it i can use emotes

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633801
It's dumb twitch culture, where they would rather donate subs instead of bits or streamlabs (where the streamer gets a bigger cut) so that they can feel better about themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633952
>women are the only streamers that view non-paying viewers as lesser
take your meds

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633952
I don't how you can post in /vt/ and not see the seething hatred everyone has for greynames.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633984
>2 things cat be true
They can also be false. And you’re understanding of GFE is wrong and stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does nobody complain about parasociality, patreons, and patreon/member discords with male/IRL streamers when they objectively can get much, much worse?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634006
Not women. Hololive girls. Normie women streaming on twitch don't even think this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634036
Because this is a vtuber board

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634026
>They can also be false
But they aren't, especially since this is agreeing with your above posts.
I also didn't say gfe I said parasocial

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634050
meds

[Anonymous No.]

What's the point of membership streams now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634050
Nipplebro, your girls are doing the same thing...

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634066
But it’s not parasocial either. You’re just completely retarded and speaking non-sense.
The point is to gatekeep retards, nothing else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632815

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633952
Oh boy, if you hate simping you're gong to be in for it
Gifters are literally being paraded around by the greynames as the ultimate simps. And no, it isn't a dirty word to them. It's being put on a pedestal and bowed to by thousands. Everyone wants their free members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634066
Okay putting aside the fact that you're really abusing the term parasocial here,
>I didn't say GFE tee-hee :p
>>24633330
>It's not GFE, it's just a girl providing personal intimate content to a select group of people. Totally not the same, the difference is huge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634120
>nothing else
For you? Possibly, but I do believe you're lying.
This thread is proof otherwise as you seem to completely ignore every single post that talks about them hating this feature due to losing the personal/intimate aspect of memberships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24632269
A very cute Nijisanji member

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633952
You even understand what a white knight is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634063
They're the same thing but with an anime avatar.

[Anonymous No.]

>YT gives a feature nobody wanted
>Make it so you can't turn it off
>Holos and Nijis have to get around it by making a emote only tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633984
Bro you are so incredibly autistic holy shit. How are you having this much trouble understanding human interaction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633831
This,
You give a little extra and receive a little extra. That's all there is to it.

Your Costco membership.
Your Gym mermbership.
Your amazon prime.
Your youtube red.

They're not impossible to buy for haters. They're there so only people who's really invested will but buy it and receive something in exchange.

The problem I see is that currently memberships don't have much benefits beyond the emotes. Sure *some* chuubas do things there they don't want the larger public to see but I find most members just do it to support the girl.
The rationale being that instead of giving a 5 supa that gives you nothing back the membership gives you emotes, no slow mode, and whatever extras thr girl wants to give.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634216
>YT giving a shit about what the users and content creators want

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631934
>Gifted Gator
>telling people who get gift subs they aren't actual members
Okay Ame is still a massive bitch but this is pretty based

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634187
>This thread is proof otherwise as you seem to completely ignore every single post
I have read every post in this thread and my conclusion is that you are retarded and you don’t understand what parasocial means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630996
Random only

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633843
paying a $5 membership to a virtual youtuber doesn't make you superior to anyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634063
Are there no male VTubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634328
according to /vt/ no and also that holostars dont count

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634258
Nice rebuttal you definitely engaged with the content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634410
There's nothing to engage with that hasn't been addressed but since you somehow still don't get it all I can do is marvel at your autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634328
I am a retard, sorry, I read that wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630996
No. It's a rather strange concept to me period, I totally get why a lot of chubbas aren't keen on it. On twitch, memberships aka subs don't mean much at all really -unless- the streamer mandates that you must have one to have chat privileges, that's the big difference. In an environment like that it's like giving 10 mute people the ability to talk now, which is a bit different (but still pretty pointless IMO). Whereas on youtube there's the subscriber-only chat that can be fine-tuned to certain time brackets to boot

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
I hate fake grey names.

[Anonymous No.]

>has $5 entry membership
>doesn't want gifted members to have access to member streams
>makes new $3 tier only for emotes
>doesn't matter, because gifted memberships grant the highest tier up to (and incl) $5
Gotta love YT beta tests. Nobody knows wtf is going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634282
control+f personal, intimate, intimacy immediately proves you wrong via the existence of those posts and their replies empirically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633829
sure you did

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634453
There's nothing more autistic then saying someone's wrong without saying why.
>someone else said why you're wrong
Then link it or you post is just as autistic as mine for not forming your own thoughts

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634495
You absolute retard. Just playing with vocabulary. Being a faithful or closer fans doesn’t mean that you think you’re their friends or are untitled to anything.
That’s why parasocial IS, not thinking you are a better fan, it’s thinking you are in a real relationship. You’re vocabulary nitpicking proves NOTHING.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634318
According to the girls it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634577
One day I hope to attain a level of cope this powerful, to be able to say that I enjoy my intimate, private, personal streams from some random girl on the internet and also simultaneously say that I don't have a parasocial relationship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631044
Yea, they're acting like a gaggle of dumbasses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634318
You're correct. In the large scale of things it doesn't.

But humans don't work like that. Grey names are often the target of discrimination either explicit ("greynames gtfo") of implicit (members only watchalong).

The system was made to make people who give more (akasupas) or for longer (member medals) have a symbol of status. And let's be honest: they're the reason the girls can make a living, or even a fortune at this. Companies do love whales and simps, maybe even the girls themselves love them too. Pretending your benefactors are equally valuable as your non-paying fans is just delusional.

On the other hand. There is strenght in numbers, millions of greynames can get a girl more money than 2-3 whales by being just massive.

Turns out things aren't black or white. There's a lot of nuance that gets lost in the shitposting (that's fun too don't get me wrong. )

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633470
its funny because she has historically the worst and most forced member content

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634493
Get membership only videos right now, for only $5.01!

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634577
>Being a faithful or closer fans doesn’t mean that you think you’re their friends or are untitled to anything.
This threads replies disagree with you
There's nothing else to say here
Just because it's not affecting you doesn't mean it's not affecting the majority of everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634651
>I enjoy ma gatekept safespace where niggers won’t make drama or leak stuff and where we are safe from children, tourists and people who aren’t really fans.
>NOOOOO YOU’RE OSHI WILL NEVER FUCK YOU. YOU ARE IN AN UNHEALTHY RELATIONSIHP!!!
You actually, sincerely, sounds like a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634691
>Pretending your benefactors are equally valuable as your non-paying fans is just delusional.
Meanwhile, based Kiara appreciates all of her fans equally and interacts with them a lot on twitter. The other holoEN girls could stand to learn a lot from her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633829
Good for you to know your oshi when she already talk about member gift for emotes and badge like a year ago retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633829
Ame is based for caring about the authenticity of her fanbase. I'd find it insulting as hell contemplating there could be literally a ton of fake fans, people paid to be "fans" who literally didn't even ask for it, mixed in with the people who authentically care.

What's most interesting about all this is reddit is showing its true colors as casuals and cheapskates, they don't actually-care enough to even comprehend the kinds of things Ame and Ina are perceiving here from this change. As was just said gift subs make -some- sense on Twitch because some people are sub-only chats, but it literally does nothing on Youtube except invite strangers into the club which is just plain shitting on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634285
holy shit kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634738
They don't have anything else to go to, they just try to strawman if you dare think it's kind of stupid that all gifteds will do is let in 12 year old filipinos who will say retarded shit in member streams and immediately leak every member post. It is completely fucking pointless a function on Youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
It's funny seeing all these people that didn't have memberships saying that five dollars isn't enough when it clearly kept them out before.

[Anonymous No.]

kek, this thread reads like unironic kpoop stans who payed for those meet and greet with those gayass faggy gooks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634847
Your brilliant, insurmountable argument is just a bunch of random guesses at the type of person who cares enough to watch a vtuber but not give them money with zero data to substantiate your claims. There's nothing to argue against. You're just making shit up and getting mad at it.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand the pro gatekeeping comments here
Grey names cause problems in streams with trolling and rudeness but it's actual fans and members who have historically caused drama and yabs in vtuber communities when engaging with antis

[Anonymous No.]

Just lock member streams behind a +$100 tier paywall. Parasocialfags pay more than monthly anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634905
>zero data to substantiate your claims
Welcome is this your first day of this board?
Closing this stream. Ina’s birthday is right now and I care more about streams that about your retarded takes

[Anonymous No.]

>>24635018
No, I've been following Hololive and vtubers before this board existed, but nice try. Enjoy your stream, seething parasocial tako.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634943
the coin has actually has three sides anon, good, bad and idc lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>24635018
>streams
thead

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634482
It's honestly up to the girl. She could use it for:

- Showing content that's a bit raw/unpolished. She's practicing a song or drawing that's not ready for the public at large but members are a kind of beta testers.

- showing better content or content they feel has more market value. Some girls might want to put more intense ASMR or fanservice on their members as incentive to pay more. Luna's ASMR or Towa's wallpaper.

- getting feedback from invested members. She can make pools or directly query chat for ideas, knowing these people are actually financing whatever comes out of the brainstorming sessions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633984
I only watch streams and I never type anything in chat, sometimes I even hide it. The only reason I membered to my oshi is to watch more of her contents while supporting her, nothing more, nothing less, and that is the reason for a lot of people
>nooo it's only for a parasocial relationship
Please kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

Oh god, she used her worst outfit. Birthday is ruined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634586
>ignored

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634905
>Type dumb shit
>Get banned
Is the solution to just not get more mods then?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>24635133
And some people only buy food to make food art instead of eating it, does their experience mean it's the common majority one?
Just because you don't feel a way about it doesn't mean others don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24633470
>>24631934
super cringe, holofags are kids

[Anonymous No.]

>>24635133
So you should have no issue with gifted memberships, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634943
Most dramaniggers are falseflaggers

[Anonymous No.]

Ina just removed gifted subs
BASED

[Anonymous No.]

>membergifts are bad because 100% of people who get one will leak and shit up streams
literally doesn't matter, this entire board is a demonstration that anyone can be an internet shithead for free

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634482
On twitch depends the size of the members, on big communities mods ban left and right members for being retarded on smaller ones that hardly happend because members are more dedicated

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634216
When has youtube ever given a shit about what anyone wants?

[Anonymous No.]

Watame has had gifted subs for months and she gets 20-100 per stream with no problem at all. ENs are just being doomposters

[Anonymous No.]

>>24635629
>ENs are just being doomposters
ENs are being retards in chat while JP are well-behaved
Thank you, but we already established that years ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>24631044
>JP talent don't know how to handle this new change cause change to japs is their kryptonite and they don't know how to say thank you for a mem gift
So you have never watched a JP holo. This feature rolled out for JPs MONTHS ago

[Anonymous No.]

>Gifted subs able to watch membership streams
>Their membership expires after one month
>They are absolutely addicted to membership streams but still refuse to pay for membership
>Flood of chat messages of "OMG SOMEONE PLEASE GIFT MEMBERSHIPS PLEAAASE"

This is the worst case scenario

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

holoen was a mistake
mass grad when

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634216
The problem is that YT is just copying random shit from Twitch without understanding how and why it works.
Gifted subs are a common thing on Twitch, yes, but the members-only content culture on YT isn't really compatible with it. And why the fuck do you need to opt into receiving them? Gifts on Twitch (and the constant reminders you get from looking at your emotes menu) give viewers an incentive to pay more attention to streamers they weren't already watching regularly, but making the whole thing opt-in defeats that purpose.
Raids have a similar problem too. On Twitch, they're a pretty good way to help lesser known streamers grow and make contacts. But on YT you actually need to whitelist channels before they can raid you, which means people will just raid their friends who their viewers already know anyway.
They're just implementing shit without thinking, as usual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24636047
So a nothing burger? Since you can't pick out who to give subs to and they can just make it a rule to not gift sub beg. Wow. Problem solved. Twitch already went through that phase in no time flat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24634216
>no one wanted
Except every other streamer. Not everyone has to worry about muh antis ruining muh member streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24636415
tfw
>Been around long enough to remember people wanting more features from twitch on youtube
>Finally get them
>"NONONO STOP YOU'RE RUINING EVERYTHING!"
Fuck the people on this board. From day fucking one these people don't know wtf they want and will cry and complain when they get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24636415
source? no? ok thats what I thought kys fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>24635485
Did she? The x person bought x gifted memberships messages are still showing up in chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24636735
Retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>24636724
they want what the girls want, which is not this. Do you understand, retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24636724
Almost as if there's more than one person that browses here, eh?
Besides, looking through this thread and some recent drama, looks like there's a bunch of unironic Reddit tourists here? What happened to this board while I was away?

[Anonymous No.]

>>24636820
You think you do but you don't. If the people here wanted what THEY wanted then you wouldn't be here at all. Wow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>24636415
>>24636724
The only people who wanted this feature are twitch converts like ludwig where the only value in a sub was the emotes and no one did sub streams. They never had to worry about the value of a sub, they just saw it as an avenue for getting money

[Anonymous No.]

>>24630347
>AME WHEN U PLY MINECRAFT AGAIN AMEEEE STOP THIS GAY KARAAOKE PLAY BLOCK GAME

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>>24636952
Multiple corpo vtubers are twitch converts including the one in the op.

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>>24636908
>You think you do but you don't.
Literal Blizzard response

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>>24636957
this except unironically
ame's singing is garbage and she sings the same shit over and over again

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>>24631781
It's a marketing strategy, convince the potential members to buy the membership so that they can get a special connection with the vtuber.
A smart vtuber would exploit the people's gullibility by making exclusive contents that could make the members feels special without any side effects. A retarded vtuber would believe that they really have a special connection with their members and proceed to share everything with a bunch of random people on the internet.

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>>24637952
And he was right. It took years for people to realize that.

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>>24633286
Theyre thankful though.
>>24633456
>Banter
Here we see the battered wife in its natural habitat, despite the constant whining, gaslighting and passive aggressive attitude, these cucks will still defend her, because she's a broken piece of shit just like them.

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THERE ARE, FOUR, LIGHTS!

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Just imagine if you could gift Costco memberships. The whole chain would lose that intimate feeling.

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>>24631189
Which one said that?

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>>24640013
I want a costco membership, can you gift me one?

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>>24638371
Oh you actually were a nijibrony.

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>>24640013
You would not want homeless people coming in snatching up all the free samples and shitting on the floors. Makes people not want to go into the store and find their business elsewhere. Same logic applies for greyfags being gifted. Yes greyfags are equivalent to homeless people.

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>>24640013
Wait you actually have to pay to go to Costco? I thought that was a meme.

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>>24640303
Except that doesnt happen in places without memberships so the analogy doesnt work.

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>>24631527
It's pretty simple: Don't say retarded shit that puts other holomems in a poor light. As we all saw, the only reason the guy got upset with Ollie is because she said something pretty unprofessional about her kouhai. (It was obviously not meant that way, but it would be construed as such, which is the important part.)
This is also why it makes perfect sense that it's Mori and Ollie that have this has happened too. Both simply cannot contain themselves. I'm sure they've had PR lessons from management, but they probably forget them in the heat of the moment and here we are.
It's really that simple: Don't cause drama with other holomems. That's the only thing that would cause a stir if leaked.

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>>24640106
Ina and Ame had a rant about it saying "its not about the money"

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>>24640527
>hololive is family!
>NOOOO STOP SAYING THINGS ABOUT YOUR FAMILY!!!!!!!
Family shitting on each other is part of the fun.

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>>24640867
Only if they do it out in the open and with love. Ollie was being underhanded.

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>>24641147
that was fb indogs not /vt/

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>>24631624
>One Holo literally said they were a dyke during membership.
You can't go saying that without dropping it was, anon.

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>>24640013
And they're just there for the cheap hotdogs

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Stop using your membership posts as your fucking diary

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>>24641511
Yes, I can.
Don't like it?
Pay $5.

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>>24631742
>Yeah I am sure they are freely sharing rrats to their careful curated paypig audience.
Yes, they are.
Remember that the Rushia Miko FAQ membership post was 9 MONTHS OLD WHEN IT WAS FOUND OUT HERE

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>>24644459
I would if i knew who to give it to.

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>>24643675
No.

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>>24631624
Start spilling names faggot.

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>>24631624
Yeah, just like how Nyanners was a dyke...

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>>24644805
>anon spoils the content meant to be gatekept
Well too late, train has left the station

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lmao, just accelerate, consoom and just close your eyes nigga