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24506207 No.24506207 [Reply] [Original]

What went so right?

>> No.24506240

>>24506207
You mean what went so wrong right? Because nothing has gone right for these faggot manwhores

>> No.24506261

Big gays

>> No.24506287

>>24506207
Good synergy and can make anything entertaining going by their original minecraft collab.

>> No.24506289

Revolutionized the entire corporate industry as we know it. Profits are at all time highs and both viewership and merch sales have yet to reach their peaks. And to top it all off, it successfully killed H*lolive (The Great Satan of VTubing) and idol culture as we know it. GLORY TO LUXIEM. GLORY TO NIJISANJI.

>> No.24506310

>>24506207
Fujopandering

>> No.24506417

Killing NijiEN girls and any future prospect for their growth isn't really a good thing.

>> No.24506429

>>24506207
But Luxiem is a flop. They're getting mogged by ID

>> No.24506445

>>24506207
Untapped market, same as Myth.

>> No.24506479

>>24506429
Reimu, Nina, Enna, Selen have all gotten a significant boost in viewership and subs because of Luxiem so I don't understand this idea that Luxiem somehow has killed their growth.

>> No.24506487
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24506487

>>24506207
kneel to our bug overlords

>> No.24506498

>>24506207
Everything, but mostly being male in Nijisanji capitalizing hard on the fact that no matter how much people want male collabs/members for Holo, they know where their money is.

That said, EN weebs are already a niche in general compared to Asia and are far more inclined towards anime girls over anime guys in a medium as parasocial as streaming. But, you still get to take over the gender that spends more money per capita, and also people who don't enjoy only watching girls.

That said, I don't think people were expecting them to blow up that much either, so for things going right after debut I'd unironically say it has to be Nina, Mysta, Luca, and Vox pandering hard that has catapulted them this far.

>> No.24506506

>>24506479
Meant to reply to>>24506417

>> No.24506556

>>24506498
I watched a couple of Luca's streams and I didn't think he panders all that hard although I do think his fans are kind of crazy and very parasocial

>> No.24506630

>>24506207
Vox got everyone's girlfriend, sister, auntie and mom wet

>> No.24506650

1.Despite all the basic rigging their avatars are unique and high quality so it sets them apart. There are many nijis who look like generic anime characters you'd use to fill up a classroom while the MC sets itself apart as a sore thumb
2.First English male group to debut (to my knowledge)
3.Actually good/decent voices fitting their avatars
4.They know their audience. I can't watch Vox due to his constant fujo/gay pandering but that's at least 90% of his fanbase and he delivers what they want
5.They debuted under the right company in the right time. They're basically Myth but males. May not get as high CCV as Myth did but in terms of SCs/profit they're absolutely smashing it. If they debuted under Hololive Production as HoloStars fujos wouldn't care about them cuz that name itself makes half their fanbase seethe
6.Actual snowball effect which was created by all the points listed above which further accelerates their growth

>> No.24506757

>>24506445
>>24506498
>>24506650
You guys nailed it on the head

>> No.24506809

>>24506556
Oh whoops, I should've split that probably. The pandering part was only meant for Vox.

>> No.24506821

>>24506207
Right place, right time just like Myth

>> No.24506903 [SPOILER] 

>>24506207
Nijisanji finally gave what faggots and women have screamed about for god knows how long

>> No.24506999

>>24506207
The fact is, that the guys were given the full rock star treatment and hyped up by tons of advertisement which gave a proportional amount of attention.

>> No.24507537

>>24506757
What those explanations fail to mention is that Luxiem captured the interest of the JP/CN crowds too on top of westerners. Without those fans they wouldn't be much bigger than the girls. A couple of them would be a few thousand viewers higher than the top girls but the rest would be 3k and below.

>>24506999
They got exactly the same level of advertisement as the girls did. One debut music video and a debut teaser trailer with ads run on youtube.

>> No.24507675

>>24506999
Oh great, the rock star treatment schizo again

>> No.24508608

>>24506207
Fujo pandering isn't an indicative of being a success

>> No.24508884

Their continued existence fuels in my affirmation that I am indeed superior to their antis for being a fan of them

>> No.24509009

>>24508884
I'm not a fan but I think its hilarious the amount of seethe their huge success to the point many of them beat out HoloJP superchats has caused here after years of fags on this board saying male vtubers couldn't and would never be a success in the west.

>> No.24509113

>>24506240
Really?
It seems like they can get away with everything.

>> No.24509146

Right place. Right time.

>> No.24509235

>>24508608
Luxiem is not my thing but you gotta be fair in comparisons. Rushia who was #1/#2 most superchatted vtuber did exactly that: hard GFE experience with occasional pandering to her lonely big fat wallet fans. Not all of luxiem members do it as hardcore as Vox and it reflects in their SCs earnings. You could say that Lamy is Alban or Shu in terms of "experience" but I don't see people giving her shit for it. Also, girls can pull in huge $ by just being cute (like gura) or having their boobs jiggle all day. That's almost impossible for men to pull off unless you're some sort of shy shota-kun with deranged fanbase and instead of being horny like Vox you play the "I'm shy and innocent don't talk about ecchi stuff" card.
They could have gone the brotuber route but honestly it's very hard to gauge if they would even have a third of their success and in business it's all about money, especially in soulless corporate world. I suppose we'll see if holostarsEN will go the mythical EN brotuber route and if they succeed maybe a wind of change will blow.

>> No.24509386

>>24509235
>brotuber route
That's exactly what some people categorize Luca as and he's the second highest superchatted member of Luxiem

>> No.24509430

>>24509235
It should be interesting to see how Holostars EN shakes out because I feel like there are a lot of HoloEN/HoloJP fans that like the idea of there being males and will say they want them and be supportive of their oshi's interactions with them if they happen but don't actually watch males at all currently. When you compare it to Nijisanji by the time they released males their western fanbase was predominantly people interested in the NijiJP males to begin with and they had a large existing fanbase for males in Japan and China that came in to support Luxiem too. Hololive has none of that just some people who like the idea.

>> No.24509692

>>24509386
To be honest I have not watched Luca so I can't comment on that but since Vox is the most superchatted and famous one, his constant pandering and horny ASMRs set the image for all of Luxiem for those like me who have minimal exposure to their content. On the other hand, Rushia being the most superchatted in 3rd gen didn't make all of them look like panderers because they had a way more popular cute seiso rabbit and a pirate who despite being horny all the time didn't lean into GFE. I just hope starsEN and future niji waves won't have their whole group's face/popularity defined by one person despite having other people pulling their weight

>> No.24509820

>>24506207
I don't think I've seen anyone talk about the peacock on the right.

>> No.24509881

>>24509820
That's because he's part of NijiJP

>> No.24509999

>>24509692
Luca panders a bit, not really to fujos though as such. More like yumejo I would say he is very interactive with chat in the kind of way that helps to foster parasocial connections and I think he has ventured into the ASMR space recently with a "bartending" RP but its kind of basically completely seiso compared to Vox's stuff.

>> No.24510012

They, and by "they" I mean only the one guy who actually got any success, is doing what Hololive is doing the past few years. Idolfags always wins, vtubing is all about idols.

>> No.24510078

>>24509820
He's Elira's pussy slave and mingle with her clique group more than the flamboyant males

>> No.24510226

-came at a time there were no western male vtubers from big companies
-gay enough to appease fujos but also straight enough so they can fantasize about them
-are all fairly entertaining and know enough about vtuber culture to know what the audience wants (can't say the same about noctxys)
-the voices fit all the characters well (can't say the same about ethyria and noctxys)

good decisions were made for them, I can't say nijisanji will keep it up since their recruitment team don't seem to be doing good choices lately.

>> No.24510313

>>24510012
It isn't only one guy though?
Looking at the superchat rankings worldwide last month for vtubers. All of them were within the top 30 earners. Vox was 1st and made the most out of any vtuber. Luca was 2nd. Then Mysta was 9th. With Ike and Shu being 21st and 27th.

>> No.24510649

>>24506207
This, sisters
https://youtu.be/hsCJU9djdIc

>> No.24512434

Helps that they got a good stream ethic and work super hard

>> No.24514195

>>24512434
fujo pandering isn't difficult to do

>> No.24514579

>>24507537
Do westerners actually watch them? I always got the impression westerners preferred Hololive/Vshojo while Nijisanji captured the Sea and East Asia crowd.

>> No.24514728

>>24506999
No they didn't, they got the same treatment as all the girls did, including Ethyria, so that can't be the reason.

>> No.24514809

>>24514579
Yeah I think so. There isn't really anyone else catering to the female audience specifically. I've just noticed that when they do occasionally stream outside of good hours for asia their numbers usually take a significant hit.

>> No.24514813

>>24509235
>unless you're some sort of shy shota-kun with deranged fanbase and instead of being horny like Vox you play the "I'm shy and innocent don't talk about ecchi stuff" card.
I DEMAND THIS, WHY ISN'T THERE ONE YET ON EN

>> No.24516546

>>24510226
Funny thing is, Noctyx is exactly what catalogfags and /#/ think that Luxiem is. Aside from Vox's obviously billboarded pandering streams, the Luxiem boys are fairly straight and competent streamers.
Noctyx are overly, flamboyantly gay (Uki), pander extremely hard to their yumejo fanbase (Sonny, Alban), are depressing doomers (Fulgur), or are just plain incompetent and totally out of their element (Yugo). They're honestly the weakest group of streamers in the branch, but at least a couple of them are trying to improve themselves.

>> No.24517757

>>24509820
because hes Elira's beta orbiter too busy simping for her to do anything of note

>> No.24517799

>>24514579
Western women? Sort of. It's pretty split between Holo/Niji since Hololive is just that much bigger here. Western guys it's not even a comparison obviously.

East Asia women yes, as there's basically no competition there. The highest HoloJP gal barely hits 85/15 split and its way downhill from there, while the average NijiJP female sits close to that.

East Asian men, it's probably tilted in Holo's favor by a bit. Even though Kuzuha/Kenmochi, etc. have huge male audiences too it's not enough.

SEA is where you're probably the most off. Holo still by far more popular in SEA in general. The only ones where Niji has slightly more than usual is Indonesia and Philippines even though Holo still smashes them like 75/25, everywhere else is close to 90/10.

The only other slightly interesting thing I guess is that among people who search for Nijisanji/Hololive topics in Japanese over English, whether they be Japanese or just learned it themselves, Nijisanji slightly edges them out like 55/45 in regions where they're like 85/15 among non-JP speaking audiences. It more likely has to do with most Nijisanji news/content/clips being exclusively in Japanese and those people browsing Japanese stuff instead over any actual preference.

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