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>>24406558>MAY 2022 GOLD1) Kanata (Hololive) - 60,210 - New outfit reveal2) Miko (Hololive) - 27,893 - Power Pro 20223) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 75,927 - Nijiquiz4) Mio (Hololive) - 42,756 - AsaMio gyakutotsu5) Mio (Hololive) - 43,953 - AsaMio gyakutotsu6) Kaida (Nijisanji) - 70,355 - 3D debut7) Pekora (Hololive) - 35,238 - Among Us collab8) Fuwa (Nijisanji) - 95,165 - FuwaGusa 3D live9) Miko (Hololive) - 63,587 - WWE 2K2210) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 28,244 - APEX11) Kanata (Hololive) - 43,953 - Clubhouse 51 totsu12) Miko (Hololive) - 37,659 - Switch Sports w/Flare13) Miko (Hololive) - 76,609 - WWE 2K2214) Marine (Hololive) - 45,005 - Zatsudan15) Sora (Hololive) - 58,576 - 3D birthday live16) Aqua (Hololive) - 32,428 - Return karaoke>PER COMPANY12x: Hololive4x: Nijisanji>PER STREAMER4x: Miko2x: Kanata, Mio1x: Aqua, Fuwa, Kaida, Kuzuha, Marine, Nijisanji, Pekora, Sora
I like this one, I want the op image to fucking rape me
regardless of how fuckign rushed this collab was.there are 27k watching hololive with one collab and 2 individual streams.
>>24406727another month, another month of Selen failing to break past Sana
>>24406745Yeah, it's alright. With the caveat that Fauna and Selen haven't reached anywhere near their peaks yet.
>>24406948 (me)Dammit, forgot image
ENfags seething and coping. You love to see it.
>>24406948There's 10 people and only Selen has a POV?
>>24406899When is the Obsidya anniversary? That's going to be her month
And the stream die again
Ina with the Internet issues just to funnel into Mumei and let her get into the tally, sasuga tako
>ina's stream diedrip>you can hear robo Ina on Mumei's streamdamn this ISP is sabotaging her numbers, is there any EN operating at peak possible numbers efficiency?
it's the same guy who was shitting jps on hlgg lmao
Ina's stream shitting the bed as expected put Mumei over 10k also. Illegal funneling?
>>24407144Canadian ISPs are absolutely horrid. t.leaf
>>24407144>is there any EN operating at peak possible numbers efficiency?none tonight
>>24407201is it as bad as shitty hotel wi-fi though?
>illegal view funnelAlso lol at this example for why "how many streams you got in the tally" is fucking stupid as a metric of success. This stream was never getting in there without the Ina funnel, and now it peaked over it.
5k get5k getReclining my ass I bet holojp wont get number this high if they were culled
Ina's stream died, everyone went to see Mumei's pov
>>24407201curious, what's so bad about it ?t.indog
>>24407260Ina fell so that Mumei could get into the tally.
>Ina letting her stream die to let Mumei surpass MikaSHE'S HERE
>>24407282>January already forgotten
>>24407416En got double culled tho, not a comparison.
>>24407365>Mumei 11,406 Never celebrate early mika
Before Ina DC’d, there was a total of 29k watching the ENs. Pretty solid actually for how rushed the collab was and really just on the spot.
>>24407256>>24407320Virtual monopolies, shitty pricing and whatnot. Population density is part of the issue. Canada is fucking HUGE but the relative population density outside of big cities is shit, which results in only 2-3 ISPs for many places, all of them shitty.
ILLEGAL RAIDING
First actual holo raid
Oh shit they actually used the raid feature.
INA RAID MUMEI!they hate each other!
Wait what I was in the other thread, why are you idiots in the later one?
First EN raid...
INA RAIDED MUMEILOOK AT THE VIEWERS CLIMB
CANADA HATE
Live redirect successful
>>24407416I'm still mad about Luna's 3D live with 13k. I will never forgive Susan
ILLEGAL FUNNELING
RAID NUMBERS
Wtf is happening? This ina said raided?
ILLEGAL RAID!
Oooh a 1v1 overwatch stream mashup?This would be a clear indication on which EN group really has the upper hand.
>>24407704EXTREMELY ILLEGAL FUNNELING
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>24407666Alright who's next?
>>24407709Her internet is too shit to stream right now, fucking Leaf ISP. So she sent her Takos over to Mumei.
>>24407704Holo Bots
+5k viewers after the raidhalf the viewers were watching both streams? or did they left because no Ina stream
So, what now? How do we deal with raids?
The raid still looks pretty buggy or maybe the cull is fucky with EN verification since Mumei got 4k off that, but I feel like even a DC’d Ina had more than that
>>24407678>the first EN raid NijiENa bit surprising
>>24407725Not really, it's 4 people vs 10, but also way outside of Niji EN's main timezone. To be completely fair you'd need to have it on Vox and Guras channels with the same number of people at like.....3 PM EST.
Does the raid work if you have Autoplay turned off?
>>24407829They left while they were getting verified by YT.
>>24407725Not even lol, NijiEN has only 2 members (debuff) versus 4 HoloEN members (buff). NijiEN is playing OW 2(buff) vs HoloEN OW1(debuff).
>>24407833Same as twitch's. We indicate that there's a raid in the tally
>>24407850But both have to be active?
>>24407829>>24407850Probably still processing and will stay like that forever
>>24407833The same way we deal with Twitch raids, just fucking cope, qualify specifics and raid context, or give up.
>>24407829Either: The views still have to verify, they didn't get redirected, they stopped watching, or YT actively counts you watching both streams and only 6k weren't watching both.
NATURAL INCLINE LET'S GOOOOOO
it looks like this on Ina's stream. click manually?
>>24407704IT'S RAIDS, NOT ILLEGAL FUNNELING
And people thought that NijiEN would be the first corpo using a raid lelDisqualified from the tally?
Fauna 6k get. Thanks holobox.
>Subscribers modeMumei might get a boost on subscribers too
>>24407833Tally the same way Twitch-tally anon does his
>>24407829You don't get counted if you're a multiwatcher so either they left or they're a victim of late verification (especially if they left themselves without waiting for the raid to finish)
>>24407829A mix of both probably. Some people likely left when Ina's stream went down.
>>24407998At this point we should disqualify all Hololive streams
>>24407910It doesn't autoplay, but you can still see the link glaringly overtly so it's not a big deal.
>>24407996if autoplay is on, then it will automatically redirect you to the new stream, if not, then I guess you see that pinned comment
what the fuck is going on with mumeis stream, i had her on in background she was steady 8k and now shes forming fucking plateaus on holostats.... is someone botting holoEN girls to fuck with them now
HoloEN disqualified from the tally from now on. NijiEN has won the EN battle.
>>24407833Raids are too uncommon to really worry about now but when we start seeing Aki getting raided by Pekora or Sana raided by Gura and it starts to effect the tally we can start indicating *Raid Peak*.
>>24408075Yes Anon, actual verifiable bots with 8 arms and cute flaps
I wonder how raids affect post stream VOD views
>>24408005This is a good number of ASMR since most ENvtubers don't get that high in CCV (no, Vox's AMSR is not true ASMR)
>>24408005Anon, it has nothing to do with the box. She usually gets more when she does it at fucking 6pm with a singular overlap
>>24408121good! now you no longer need to post it
>>24408075anon just read the thread
>>24407850Mumei was at 8.5k before Ina started to bug out.Mumei ended up getting +6k. Some part of the viewers probably didn't bother redirecting or are in delayed verification.
WHAHAHAHA MUMEI STREAM DOESN'T COUNT HOLOFAGGOT
Hololive can use natural funnel now?
>>24408121no more en tally then? thank you
>>24407829That's why youtube blocking the one who direct the stream to see the number of viewer he/she directed. Only a part of them will get verify immediately, meanwhile others stuck in a verification loop.
>>24407910I'm not sure, i was messing around with my tabs and I *seemed* to have ended up with two Mumei streams, so I think I did get transferred over, and I don't have autoplay on.
I just looked, Ina had over 6k people when she raided Mumei and 4k ended up passing through. Mumei’s viewership has stayed stable at 14.5-7k after the raid too, so.. It’d be actually hilarious if this is a surefire way to see culling in effect somehow. I know obviously not everyone is gonna turn over to Mumei’s stream but the raid literally directs the stream to her and Ina is IN the stream. So idk what’s happening with that
>>24408209It get funnier every repost
Fauna 6k+ with big overlap and ASMR you can alt tab out, she's so consistent
>>24407910It displays the link but doesn't automatically dump you in if you have autoplay off.
>>24408180sorry half the time i jump to the bottom because people fucking treat the thread as a giant tribal war so i just post a question and hope im spoonfed instead of sifting the crap
>>24408149she did sound like a robot for a while therehas the machine uprising finally come for us? did it start in canada?
Moons pre-raid peak. The first spike is from Ina just disconnecting normally and people hopping over. So tell me exactly, why would we disqualify HoloEN shifting their mutual viewers in the exact same POV collab because the raid feature was used, but it would have been okay had Ina just said "go there" and ended the stream? Autistic rules ITT.
>>24408121Yeah, time to discontinue EN medal
>>24408141tourist here, may I ask what stream did Gura raid Sana?
>>24408012I doubt there are many people here not subbed to Mumei, even if they don't necessarily watch her much.
So... Mumei won't count, right? Ina is the only 10k from Holo today
>Holo EN streams don't count because raids>Niji EN streams don't count because botsWell no more EN tally I guess what a shame
>>24408262Consistently shit in terms of numbers yes.
>>24408370THIShowever im amazed gura didnt even know that was an option
>>24408250Some people have it in the background as noise.There's also a sizeable amount of people that don't bother to have autoplay on and leave a stream on while they do stuff around the house (Guilty of this sometimes).All in all, there's enough reasons that you won't see 100% transfer over.
>>24408354I'm not going to insult you, but you should work on your reading comprehension. Those were hypothetical situations, not things that actually happened.
So I never did get an answer about what happened to that yukkuri trademark dispute thing
>>24408168Don't hate it. Embrace the box anon. Niji en trying to create their own box but failed miserably. Mika going back to be 1k shitter after this.
>>24408156Shouldn't be any different than 6k randos migrating to your stream for non-raid reasons. If they fuck off before 30 seconds I think they wouldn't get counted.
>>24407833We switch over to the mean viewers since tallying the peak no longer makes any sense.
How does Ina have so many connection problems when Kronii and half of NijiEN don't have these issues?
>>24408362See >>24408318Autistic to worry about this particular instance anyway since its not "streamer sends people along to other stream and keeps the viewer chain going" as much as it is "you literally cannot watch me on this channel, watch me on this other one".
>>24408354She didn’t. Anon just posed the hypothetical since tallies have always been sort of personal between the members and their streams. Raids just throw numbers off drastically since if done properly, you’d basically never see a stream below X amount due to the redirecting
>>24408453Do you think they live next to each other or something?
>>24408453probably physical infrastructure of where Ina lives
>>24408453Ina's house is really old so the cables are all fucked up
>>24408416oh shit, my bad. I was multitasking. thanks for giving the benefit of the doubt. you and me both lucked out on that kek
>>24408453Ina must just live in a shit neighbourhood with a bad wiring.
>>24408453you know canada is a big place right?
>>24408388It's a Fauna ASMR, come back in a month to see the VOD have more than twice the views of any other regular EN stream
>>24408362Mumei cleared 10k before the raid, just from Ina's stream going down. Not that you're being serious, but still.
>>24408453she "upgraded" to a business line. She needs to just go back to whatever she had before but she got a 2 yr contract on the business line.
>>24408362You’re a retard. If you’re that autistic about the raid you can literally use her tally prior to the raid which was still 11.4k or something.
So uhhh where is this /hlg/ schizo came from?
15k i guess...
illegal 15k
15k mumei get. Youtube verify complete
>>24408582>>24408589>>24408600AIIEEE STOP THE COUNTTHIS IS ILLEGAL
I hope holo and nijis don't do something stupid like raid competition to get number above 500k or a million
>>24408541>>24408524>>24408527If it's bad wiring wouldn't her connection be bad all the time unlike what we are seeing now where it's okay for awhile, and then it fucking craters?
>>24408541You can live in a good area but have shit wiring due to age. There are plenty of places like that in Vancouver/Lower Mainland of BC.
Nijisis in shambles right now funny af
>hey guys my stream won't work properly come watch the exact same stream you've been watching on this other channel POVok!>hey guys my stream won't work properly come watch the exact same stream you've been watching on this other channel POV, here let me use a site feature to speed that up for youNOT OKAY Like I get why people sperg out about twitch raids, but this is not sending someone to a different stream, its the same fucking stream.
>>24408076My autoplay was off and it redirected when she ended the frame.
My precious, pure peak ccv... ruined...
>>24408574it's gunna be worse when a completely unrelated stream gets raided, atleast with this one they are in the same collab and it was basically just moving over her viewers to keep watching her
>>24408541I had a bad cable coming into my house and the packet loss was sporadic. It would be fine for hours and then just randomly shit the bed. I complained to the cable company and they sent someone to track down the issue and fixed it.
I swear, I can get schizos hating on other HoloEN members but Fauna too? She is probably the most harmless.
>>24408579Probably mad at the greennigger avatar back in /jp/
So anons, what’s the odds that Mumei raids Bae’s MC stream since Gura and others are almost guaranteed to be joining her
Imagine 4-5 Holo ENs, a couple IDs, and some JPs streaming at like 6-7 PM. 8 Pm hits, Gura karaoke starts, 5 minutes in right before the first song everyone ends and raids all their audience into Gura. Think of the numbers.
>>24408005 These are her usual numbers. Saplings are extremely consistent and loyal.
>>24408649the way it works they cant raid between companiesHowever this means the manager already set their channels to allow raiding between each other or maybe is enabled by default becasue of the MCN thing.
>be Chloe>by far had the best start in holox>struggling to break 10k on non-karaoke streams>be Koyori>it took her thrice as long to get as many subs as Chloe>now getting over 10k semi regularly on every streamWhat the fuck went so wrong with the former and what went so right with the latter?
>>24408700We still need to check if the same happens with different streams like new year outfits
>>24408726Honestly if NijiEN hasn't been using its 100% management banned to do it normally. Like, I'm not even saying it to shit on them, they've never been averse to go for bigger numbers and try to redistribute them.
How long until nipplesanji with their million livers create the perfect 24hr raid cycle to retain viewers
>>24408776Avatarfag*
It'd be real funny if Mori raids Mooms right now.
>>24408772There's a dedicated Fauna schizo here, somewhere.
>>24408825The tally is ruined
>>24408772There's a Faunafag shitting up /hlg/ 24/7. Blame him.
>>24408844if they start randomly doing it after today, what does it mean
>>24408649can't wait for all of the nijis streaming before a unarchived karaoke click the raid button all in the same timethe power of RAID and WORM
>>24408833JUST STREAMthats all people ask
>>24408873Did Mori beat Malenia?
>>24408772we have a resident fauna anti here thats here at least 16 hours a day
>>24408941isn't that just towaflip?
>we should play leagueGURA NO
>>24408833Chloe having 50% of her streams be SC streams. Koyori SC streams got drowned out by the shear amount of streams she did.
>>24408992not even close lol
>>24408836Did anyone monitor that Niji karaoke relay from a few days ago? Did it use raid? The numbers between Enna and Uki were nigh identical.
>>24408948Hopefully EN3 gets someone like Koyori
Mumei going to raid mori isn't she.....
Can't wait to see a 40k Luxiem Karaoke raid a 500 views Reimu stream
>>24408704oh wha? The YT video that talked about the redirect system mentioned autoplay needs to be on to get redirected, unless it changed?
>>24408947If Holos never do it again after today what would that mean? Probably that management never bothered to tell them not to do it. As for Niji not doing it, yes it's almost certainly management mandated as they are all the type that would do it naturally, especially former twitch streamer like...well half of them.
>we should play dotaGURA YES
>>24409087She's more likely to raid Fauna if anything
>>24408809Nah, imagine a Miko WWE2K numbers raiding Anya's stream because she's the only one streaming when Miko ends her stream.
>>24409087Fuck mori, do zeta.
>>24409044No, they didn't a message have to appear
>>24409158holy shitjust imagining about it...
>>24408704>>24409123 (me)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV8gOpyImsQvideo related
>>24409121>viewers jump by less than 10k>30k bots never made it over
>>24409087https://youtu.be/I6TWKbaeEygYou already know the raid’s coming
>>24409171Mumei isn't subbed to Zeta.
>>24408833In Koyori’s case, she streams more often and does more to network with other girls and cultivate western viewers. She benefits from the box because she became the box.
>>24409121I think they won't because they know the bots won't transfer, like with the Sara Nagare raid. It would be embarrassing to raid someone with 40k and 8k show up at the raided stream.
>>24409014Why not?
>>24408121Raids move real views, worms and bots aren't real views.
I'll say that the interesting part about this raid is that the viewers are actually sticking around. One of the troubles with the peak ccv on Twitch raids is that they bleed incredibly fast. You'll get a huge spike and then the stream will return to normal viewership levels. My guess is retention is better here because it's only a POV shift, but now I want to see a "normal" raid with one holo or niji sending their viewers to a totally different stream and see if the viewers stick
>>24409133i was joking about if nijiEN randomly started raiding after today, would mean they were monitoring holoEN or this thread
You schizos spazzing out about raids are really going to ignore this was the exact same collab? Mumei's not gonna raid anyone.
>>24409147Isn't Fauna's thing prerecorded, and also ASMR? Would be a weird thing to raid. Waiting for Bae to start and raid her would make more sense.
So is Mumei's peak identical to Ina/Mumei's combine peak? Wonder how many viewer lost during the transfer.
>>24408992lelelelelelShe isn't even at Melenia yet.
>>24409308Well they were technically watching the same stream so is no surpriseRememebr when Mysta "raided" myka on sony's birthday?
>>24409337No, it's not pre-recorded. Her pre-recorded ones usually last only 15-20 minutes save for 1 she did because she still wasn't' happy with her setup.
>>24409308Ask miko playing wwe raid anya so anya get gold
>>24409218Yeah bots are designed to inflate only the channel that paid for them. Actually good coding there.
>>24409342About 3k viewers missing. Either YT multi-tab viewership culling isn't perfect, some people didn't bother and peaced out, etc etc. Hard to be sure where those viewers went.
>>24409309Hololive is always the trendsetter. How does Yagoo always do it?
>everyone hates raids on twitch>first time they see someone on youtube they like do a raid>suddenly salivating over the numbers potential of raidsThis is how they get you bros. It's insidious. Pretty soon you'll be randomly saying pog and asking them for face reveals. Don't do it.
>>24409337says Live instead of Premiering, but yeah forgot about Bae that one make more sense
>>2440934219k peak/17.5k before Ina ended
>>2440933440% chance Bae gets raided
>>24407984Also people who watched both streams on different devices (laptop/phone)And maybe people who watched using picture in picture from 2 different browsers (as 1 can only get you 1 pip)
>>24409450Hololive board, hololive industry
>>24409044>name peak / %changeseffnya 4,907 sara 9,201 / 87.51%reza 7,719 / -16.11%hayun 8,246 / 6.83%nara 9,471 / 14.86%akane 10,739 / 13.39%enna 24,738 / 130.36% ??uki 25,770 / 4.17%
>>24409342No, their combined peak was like 10k + 9k. Even when Ina raided, it was 10.5k (Mumei) and 6k (Ina) so it didn’t reach either peak, but Fauna did climb 1k+ after Ina raided so maybe some of those viewers went to watch her
>>24409456ive seen people unironically want react content to chase numbers, we past that slope awhile ago we even have twitch tally anon. granted hes harmless and brings good numbers thats something that wouldve been laughed out of the threads a few months ago.
>>24408833Chloe grew complacent whereas Koyori has been bashing her head into the wall to incline city since debut and it's working very well for her as you can see.
>raids are suddenly fine after weeks of doompostingit will be funny when NijiEN starts to use the function pretty often and we see mutliple girls getting boosted by the guys I am sure then the doomposting will start a new
>>24409456The number would be literally the same, just jumping from Holo to HoloIt’s no different than funneling except with 100% rate?
>>24409456People don't like raids on twitch because any random streamer can raid you.This thread hates raids because it fucks with peak ccv.
>>24409337Not prerecorded. She actually said happy birthday to a birthday akasupa.
All EN streams are now banned from the count and /#/ is saved
>>24409425>Well they were technically watching the same stream so is no surpriseYes, like I said that's what I suspected. What I'm trying to get at is whether or not the concept of the "holobox" would lead to better retention for raid viewers compared to raids on Twitch, my hypothesis being that it would. This stream isn't a good example, so I'd like to see someone do a proper raid to test that out
>>24409561Why would bots watch the girls? At least we know HoloEN viewers are real.
>>24409456Myth is trendsetter so of course it's now ok.
>>24409561Luxiem audience are very volatile so don't expect good faith from them if they do that.
>>24409567Agreed.
>>24409561>we hate gifted memberships it ruins the ambiance of member streams and streamers hate it>youtube makes a way to see how many memberships someone has been gifted>holy shit look at all these memberships, so much money, so many numbers, so awesome
>>24408833She tried to rely solely on JP pandering, a retarded approach when the vast majority of hololive's fans exist outside of the dying country that is Japan.
>>24409561They're not fine, you're just ignoring the context behind this raid. No one was ever spazzing out about raids in the context of>oh my god imagine if someones multipov POV crashes and they send their viewers to watch the other POV while still playingLike, in how much bad faith are you arguing right now?
>>24409531Naaah.If Twitch-tally anon had started earlier would've been fine, Twitch CCV isn't tracked the same as YT's absolutely clusterfucked system.
Remember, this raid function is in beta so you will have to apply to get it.
>>24409567I remember someone asked Xqc to raid someone on Twitch and he flat out say “Absolutely not”It seem even Twitch streamers not too fond of that feature
>>24409561I don't participate in the tribal wars ITT so it never bothered me too much in the first place, but the moment it becomes common practice for both sides the thread will accept it or if only Hololive does it, that just the way the thread skews
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>holoEN DQ>nijiEN DQalright so whos next up to claim cripple gold if we drop the 5k limit low enough to start picking up small EN startups like Kawaii, Prism, Phase and co
>>24409561i actually want to see vox raid someone after he got a high scorewant to know if the viewfarm will follow the redirect. they have monetary reason not to do that.like with sara's botted stream, it bots didn't follow the redirect. only the 100 or so onlookers.
>>24409729I wouldn't wish his audience on any other streamer.
The big numbers are coming back bros I can feel it.All Hololive need to do now is block the raid from leech and only let holo raid other holo's and the chaos will be contained.Question for the stream watcher, did Ina chat started doing the usual faggotry screaming Ina raid and what not when they arrived?
>>24409846If they do follow would you cease the unsubstantial accusations?
Why is Miyako so unpopular in Niji? She seems to have a pretty good design (well, cleavage at least).
>>24409729In xqc case is different he knows that his chat is toxic, there's this retarded way of thinking on "twitch drama" that you are responsible for how your chat behave even outside of your stream
>>24409886Yes, and Mumei got a notification too.
GURA IS GOING TO BRAZIL
Mumeis chat is so fucking grey
>>24409807holojp likely not going to do it. especially during primetime unless there's only one other holo streaming. it would create an atmosphere of unfairness. the natural funnel at least lets the box viewers to go to whichever next stream they care about.
>>24409886I'm pretty sure that you can only raid people that are sub to you and you sub back
>>24409928Who the fuck is Miyako?
>>24409886They don't stream consistently enough to gain any long term benefits from raiding
I just read the thread. Should gen 3 recruit more people from canada? Like even holoid connection is not that terrible.
>>24410012never mind it was because Brazil was mentioned and the fucking Brazilians started chatting more for a moment, fucking figures Brazilians wouldnt member shit
>>24409926Sure, it's only fair I feel
As soon as Gura mentioned Brazil, a bunch of them popped out. This feels almost magical at this point.
>>24409926No I'll think of something else.
>>24409926i never made unsubstantiated accusations. always have numbers to backup all my claims.only speculations i made were on how the flagging algo works.
>>24409973Okay not really a fan of this then...Why cant people just act normally when raiding.
>>24409886Yeah people were saying WAH and "tako raid" ectI said WAH
>homo raids with 30k people>only 3k show upthis thread will melt
>>24410118I mean there's a Brazilian clip channel that gets 20k views
>>24410118It's just like what happens when a JP speaks english
>>24410231>homos raid with 30k>30k show upthis thread will melt either way
>>24410231I feel like they don't even know how much of their audience is real, and probably aren't eager to find out.
The one thing I’ll say about raids, at least in ENs case, is that it’d definitely help bring in some more member familiarity for viewers to actually tune into. So many times you see a stream end and you get like, a 1k funnel out of 10k viewers. It’d be an artificial way to helo grow channels more. But I think for now I hope it has some purpose to it (like this stream) and not just an every day thing. People value clean chats and not being thrown into this chaotic period of when raids happen
>>24410157Your post assumed Vox had viewfarms watching him (in significant amount, implied), was that not speculation? Any numbers to back that up?
>>24408121What did i say before?EN Tally need to be removed LONG TIME AGO!Nijinigger keep it around and when HoloEn Win because of raid, THEY CALL FOR REMOVAL TOO.STFU! If you want it removed then remove here from now on.
>>24410274Since NijiEN is culled so heavily, I think 69k people will show up.
So... all EN streams are disqualified from now on right? We can stop talking about midgets now
27k watching holo en
if JPs start raiding eachother do we start counting ENs again
>>24410035https://vrabi.net/channel/UCHK5wkevfaGrPr7j3g56Jmw
>>24410416...so who the fuck is Miyako
>>24410340yeah vox median peaks 9428. celebration peaks 40k.
Even if there was a bot test from a extreme scenario like Vox sending 20k viewers to Reimu the retention would be low as tons of fujos dislike NijiEN girls, even the retention from a raid to a genmate would be iffy if say Vox passed 20k from I suck your lips ASMR into a Luca Jump King or whatever.That's why a raid in a different POV like Valorant or whatever where the same Luxiem members are would be the best test to prove the experiment.
>>24410411Ramy, koyo or shuba raid gura!??
>>24410324People overestimate how much anyone gives a shit about chat or how disruptive raids are. Between streamers of the same company a raid is like, a complete nonissue. Getting raided by like, Sykuno or Pewdiepie would be annoying but they'll never give those people access so it doesn't matter. If the worst thing that happens to you is people saying "I came from X streamer" for 2 minutes for an extra 5k CCV you're having a pretty fucking nice day.
>>24410457that onee-san that play apex with astel
>>24410365finally jp bros back to the good old days of honest numberfagging
Man i can already see the funnel Bae is gonna get
>>24410559ah, okay now we are talkingShe seems fine though on astel's level
>>24410575She should get at least a little bit now that Fauna's over. Knowing Gura is going to move over to Minecraft should also give her a bigger boost
>>24410575>implying people won't go to Gura's stream instead
>>24410493Who said fujos dislike NijiEN girls? How uninformed are you when most NijiEN fans think highly of the girls as well. They prefer unity more than anything.
Bae.....
Gura was supposed to play minecraft with Bae...
>>24410634yes, that's why they get 1/10 of viewers
>>24410634
>>24410632HA HA
>>24410634why they not watch selen when vox is playing with her?
>>24410634>*sifts over lazulights 1 year anniversary numbers*uh huh
The most terrifying things that would happen with raid is favoritism>”Why the fuck Miko raid *insert Holo name* instead of *other Holo name*”You know people will make a big deal out of it and I am not ready for that
>>24410634island fujos definitely hate petra for sucking ccp dick. they had a hissy fit about it.
Next youtube view update or 2 and she should have passed Vox. Late update because I actually got distracted by her ASMR.
>>24410634nigger are you fucking serious?
>>24410855Not to mention chat begging for raids. I already see people telling Mumei to raid Bae.
>>24410855Imagine Miko with the 100k raid on Pekora playing some kusogame after some WWE kino just to flex on her
>>24406558>>24406619I'm curious as to what Aqua's stream to gold ratio is. She hasn't streamed much at all this year and she is tied for #1 in golds with a whopping 16 total.
>>24410855yeah i think that is the the main problem with doing it for poeple with lots of streams going on.
>>24410855we all know cover will prohibit raids at this first sign of this happening
>>24410487Choco's avg ccv was 4k in April, yet her peak stream had 40k. Was she viewfarming then too?
>>24410855there has literally not been a single stream to stream raid. this is the same fucking stream, Ina could no longer do her POV, she sent people to where they can watch her. THESE ARE THE SAME VIEWERS THAT WERE ALREADY WATCHING THE EXACT SAME CONTENTwhy has this spurned 300+ posts????
>>24410966So pretty soon I guess
>Kobo +6k subs 12h after getting unbanned without having streamedNerf this indog cunny pls
>>24410855then we need a raid randomizer! Gacha raid! Nips will love it...
>>24410487NTA and I wouldn't be surprised if there are viewfarms in Vox's streams, but what you mentioned isn't really proof beyond reasonable doubt. Both HoloJP and NijiJP members usually get significantly higher numbers during special streams (karaoke, celebration, outfit, etc.) than their median as well (how much higher depends on There isn't any real irrevocable evidence that there are bots or viewfarms involved in Vox / Luxiem streams yet. Yes, those wormed graphs looked suspicious as fuck - but that's the extent of it for now
>>24410855Just make a rule you have to raid the person streaming with the lowest CCV (in the same branch), and make them have a "raid accepted" notification on the discord so they can opt out of people raiding them if they're doing a stream it would be disruptive for.
>>24411058It opened Pandora’s Box.
>>24411058> why /#/ gets mindbroken so easily? You must be new here.
>>24410855>miko raids ogathis shit would be hilarious
RAID INCOMING
NUMBERS
>>24411028that's just the holobox. we've seen how that works with other lower number holos like roboco. 40k actually kinda low. full holobox is around 120k.luxiem box is around 10-12k looking at their full collab average from january-april.
>>24411167I want to open Mumei's Box, if you know what I mean
>>24410632>Send raid over Bae's stream. Set it to auto-redirect>Quickly turn the stream off right after last match>People who don't want to watch Bae will just move to Gura stream later, but at least it looks like raid processing speed is pretty fast judging by Mumei's graph>Profit?IDK how YT raids work and how different they are from Twitch, but wouldn't above method work?
ILLEGAL VOICE CHATS ACROSS UNRELATED STREAMS
>>24411167
OH NO NO THE ILLEGAL BAE RAID
wtf is going on today?
WAIT THIS IS ILLEGAL
>>24411255The rrats between those two run deep and involves roommate stuff so it would be quite interesting, lmao.
Raids saikou!
>Gura had the courage to actually ask her friends to keep playing games with herGod, imagine if she actually focused on buff content
>>24411306>luxiem box is around 10-12kTheir noctyx debuts had 60k anon, where are you getting that numbers?
>>24411103They tried twice, that’s what led to this scenario.
ACTUALLY ILEGAL STREAMS
So peak CCV is meaningless now, even for the virtual horserace /here/?
>>24411103Kobo's days are gone anon, the bans hurt her momentum.
We did it VODbros, we ruined CCV forever!
>HoloEN absolute Kinohome...
>>24411493not yet, we haven't seen a true unrelated stream raid yet
>>24411493Yeah now everyone and their family can get 30k. Just suck the top tier Holo dick so they can raid youBad for individual but good for the companies
>>24411478debut tourists? holox debuts had full holobox + debut tourists. that's how we have 170k debut streams.i used regular full collab streams. that's how you measure the box viewers. how many actual loyal watchers are there.
>>24411478Debut number isn't the same thing. I watched the Noctyx debuts (well, some of them) and haven't watched a single stream since. That's tourist central.
>>24411493>SC is the only legit number now
>>24410457she has pretty good doujins, even has her own tag
>>24411503At this rate she's going to get 20k today doing a guerrilla stream playing some random indog game
>>24411478Debuts are tourist central dumbass. Why the fuck would you think every person who watched a debut is a fan from there on?
>>24411311Agreed. Imagine her screams as it happens, as the sensory overload transforms her words into incoherent babble.
>>24411575Pekora is actually irrelevant in every metric nowFinally she can be free from shitposters
Fujos seething because their bots are meaningless
>>24410523Why did Kronii openly apologize for her pseudo-raid shortly after her debut, then? Clearly some people care (Kronii at least).
Raids either never count or they count absolutely.
>>24411638It's irrelevant now, but it brings the articles from kaiyou
>>24411575Not really? Susan did infinite damage to CCV credibility with her culls, by comparison this raiding shit only needs people to see when a raid happens and then use the preraid peak.
>>24411638NIJI WIN!
>>24411694is this some kind of falseflag, you know they will create some insane mountain range later today
>>24410855for nijijp it would be nice with some raids for the smaller streamsthen again i think i'll throw up in my mouth if i'm watching one and a nijien raids it
as expected, no aqua stream today https://twitter.com/minatoaqua/status/1526401074281664512
>>24410855I don't want deadbeats on my dog's chat
Isn't Mori actually pulling really respectable numbers atm? Overlapping a Gura collab + Minecraft and still at 7k? And most people are sick of Elden Ring at this point too. I wouldn't have been shocked if she had half her current CCV.
>>24411722I think management confronted her about it. I believe it was Fauna who got raided yeah? And she was totally cool with it. But management got in the mix and made her apologize since it’s not a common thing to do obviously in holo
Now that YouTube have raid, can we include Twich in the tally as well.Or maybe the tally is meaningless anyway
Vrabi finally updated the fucking Fauna stream>shark teethWhy
Pekora coming in with La+ to do the shill stream. Can she get the gold?
>>24411503you act like her channel has gone for weeks, it just two days
>>24411920No because twitch ccv still isn't 1:1 to youtube CCV
>>24411781That's because NijiEN cares for each other, and always trying to help each other incline.I'm glad they are at the top now and not being a walled garden like HoloEN.
>>24411920no, twitch and youtube count viewers differently
huge fuckin rein
>>24411920twitch still have funny numbers because they count things that the yt live ccv doesn't like tabbedout, multi-pov, hidden embeds in front page.
>>24411920better, make a only twitch tally
>>24411920Twitch can have it own tally but will never get mixed with Global Youtube Tally.
>>24411917Virtually the same number she had before anyone else started streaming. Core audience and maybe some ER diehards.
Damn you can see just how big a buff game minecra is for these girls if fucking Bae getting overlapped by 5 other holos still can pull 7k on it.
>>24411984Who cares, she never reaches Luxiem's sub count anyway, and she is still a midget.
>>24411990so? JP ccv isnt 1:1 to EN CCV as well
>>24411764What if a stream was going to naturally peak after the point when the raid happened, then? Wouldn't that be unfair?
>>24412067>she never reaches Luxiem's sub count anywayanon...the only two people left are Vox and Mysta
>>24411920Honestly this is the last strawNow you just need to get close to a top tier Holo to get good ccv with raid. Shit feel like cheatingBack then Holo actually have to try and build their audience
>>24412061Diehard Elden Ring fans get filtered by how Mori plays.
>>24412024I remember that ES vtuber (Lina?) got embeded elsewhere and reach like 10k+ with a dead chat.
>>24411920Twitch has it's own tally. It's not really competitive for gold anyway unless it's some super slow day where they do an outfit reveal and get 28k and somehow win, or you know, get raided by some random popular non-vtuber. That's one of the biggest problems with twitch vtuber-style streamers, they're too mixed up in the non-vtuber ecosystem.
>>24411990is this because average weight of an NA viewer is triple that of nips figuratively?
>>24411992Their medians haven't even caught up to Council yet, though...
Seems strange how active HoloEN is lately, new gen coming? It's almost the right time anyway.
>>24412115Now you're beginning to understand. Peaks have never goddamn mattered.
>>24412017>>24412024You have no problem counting both JP and EN/ID despite the latter being culled way worst. Why caring about any of that now?
>>24412169t. Mika
>>24411954Nope. There is Chloe BD countdown and Suba Botan Lamy Choco collab
>>24411954Nah shill stream are shill stream, no amount of buff can get you good number on thoseUnless you are Aqua
>>24412063Watching Holos on their server is like watching some sort of retarded civilization arise or something. It has a narrative unlike most other game streams.
>>24412063People are anticipating everyone moving to MC, and some of them want to get in early rather than slog through the final couple OW matches.
>>24412236or Marine
>>24412169Really nigger, this is the last straw? Ina redirecting to a different POV in a collab she's a part of?Not the legendary Kanata/Moona leeching? Not all those totsus JP holos spam where the randomest of shitter can get 30-40k because BEGORRA AND MERINE ON DA TELLY SUKI SUKI?
>>24412207I think June or July is more likely. I don't think them streaming more is related, but there have been a lot of clues it's coming soon outside of that.
>>24412207Final preparations for Ina's BD and Gura's BD finally being done
>>24412229Bro this shit actually enable leechingBut I hope the Holos have enough self-respect to not abuse it
I'm not sure how people can watch Bae, she's annoying. And bad at speaking.
>RAIDING BAE >RAIDING BAE>RAIDING BAE
>mumei DQ'dit's over...
SECOND ILLEGAL FUNNEL, LETS GO
>>24412367nijiseethe
STOP MUMEI NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ok now it's over
>They are raiding BaeNumbers... owari da...
Oh nyo, armageddon!
Now that CCV comparison is pointless, it's time for VOD Views after 24 hrs / a week ranking?
RAID SHADOW BAESION
>>24412207Yagoo is cracking his whip because Coco and Rushia funds are drying out and the members that stayed aren't refilling it fast enough
I wonder if the Takos would transfer to bae's stream or they'll have to go manually.
OH SHIT ANOTHER RAID
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
>enable leeching ah yeah mika's speciality
>>24412345>proceeds to make even more retarded comparisons than the other anoncongrats
holy shit it INSTANTLY teleports you
BAE RAID
>>24412345Yes. All of those you listed are passive leeching Now the leeching is manual and the Holos can control it
>>24412475NIJISEETHE
HOLY SHIT, it's just a blink of an eye
>>24410855you can say the same exact opposite>Why the fuck [A] didn't raid [B]?specially when there's no one streaming
ILLEGAL RAIDING! SOME ONE STOP THEM!
rip /#/
ILLEGAL
They will keep using it...Its over...
OHHHHHHHH BUY BUY BUY GOING TO THE MOON
Holy shit, Bae 16k get!
holy mother of seethe
EZ 17K FOR BAE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH IM GOING FULL SCHIZO ANONS, I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE, NOTHING MAKES SENSE, CCV IS POINTLESS, NUMBERS ARE USELESS WHY ARE WE STILL HERE?HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN HATE YT HATE SUSAN TOP 3 NUMBERS MINDBREAK:MILLIE BOTTED STREAMSARA BOTTED STREAMTODAY
/#/ is declining.
>>24412564I thought it died back when CCVID happened, and we've just been a shambling corpse since
LMAO INSTANT 16K I KNEEL
lmao get fucked numcucks
imagine the shitposting when the mountain range beats this raid later today, the thread will be unusable for the whole day
>>24412207INA"s BD in 4 days, Gura's 1 mth from now and then Kiara like 3 weeks after that. Probably HoloEN 3 somewhere inbetween or after.
NUMBERS MEAN NOTHING ANYMORE!
>viewers are preverified thus are instantly accounted for
RAIDS SAIKYOU
Bae 17k The death of /#/
16K, KNEEL TO UNITY
Mumei raid Bae to 16.8k/#/ is dead now.
4k out of 13k died in the raid btw
/#/ numbers in shambles
WHAT IS OUR PURPOSE NOW?
>Bae 17kNothing has meaning anymore
I was ok with the different POV in Overwatch.NOW THIS IS BS
My numbers nooooo
Ccv inflation to the moonnnnnnnHmmmm but for real, isn’t the ranking would still mostly the same? You raid the same amount of people in a Holo with higher floor you still result in higher number anyway
BASED BASED BASED
This is the true holobox
>>24412207"""active"""
I think the raid system is effective for Hololive since Holo has its own box. This means the retention might be better compared to others on Twitch.
BAE 17K LMAO
THE END OF NUMBERS GURA RAIDS INCOMING
Feelings on raid featurehttp://poal.me/km78ouhttp://poal.me/km78ouhttp://poal.me/km78ou
Kek /#/ is finally fucking dead lmao.
Bae doesn't even deserve it
>>24412617Ever heard about necromancy?
It's funny that HoloEN who first used raid when I think that NijiEN who will use it first
Minecraft Portal Arc incoming.
NOW ALL CCV IS WORTH LESS THAN SHIT!
Finally, CCV cucks get the rope.
>>24412824SUCK MY COCK NIJIKEK
>Another MC relay>This time with raids included
it's a disaster, not only did they learn about raids but they think it's fun
>>24412748Raids will probably only happen when there's something collaborative going on, or someone is streaming alone. Otherwise they're going to get a ton of "WHY DID YOU RAID X BUT NOT X, YOU MUST HATE THEM?"
>>24412701JESAS/#/'s will never be the same again
Let’s look at the bright side of things. Now they can actually saviorfagging low tier HoloPekora probably want to save a lot of them
now that the dust has settled, can we agree that numbering is meaningless? i hope jannies will ban /#/ from now on
>>24412868PEAK NUMBER FUNEL
HOLO MINECRAFT RELAY COMING SOON!RAID SHOWDOW LEGEND BOOGALOO
Clown world
RIP /#/
>>24412860No, I'm a holofag. Bae is actually awful. She's an annoying child.
Ina is guilty, imagine gura give sana a raid after she ends a karaoke
Outfits reveals with raids lmao I can't fucking wait, someone is going to break the ccv record with this shit
>>24412876mori is streaming right now anon, nobody seems to feel too bad about not raiding her
>>24412207Just wait for Ame to take a break and we'll know EN3 is imminent then>>24412774Tbf those calendars "undercount" collabs making it look sparser than it actually is
All the predictions for NijiEN being the first corpo to use it and it ended up being HoloEN
>>24412953FASHION WEEK LET'S GOO
>>24412429Fauna ASMR and IRyS Karaokes will mog everyone else as they have huge replay value.
>>24412852I say viewers are pre verified thus counting almost instant
>>24412968>when there's something collaborative going onMumei raided into bae because they were all joining her.The same audience is moving along.
>>24412944She's a young girl that acts like a hag trying to act like a young girl.
I think Bae jumped to 17k once
>>24412944>No, I'm a holofag.every fucking time
This raid retention is pretty good so far, way better than Twitch at least.
>>24413015all because of inas shitty internet
Now only avg ccv matters MWUAHAHAHA.
>>24413015anon ninjji is prime bots
>>24412968I mean not like people care much about Mori hereNow if it’s a big Holo like Miko or PekoMari doing the raid, that would certainly spawn a lot of rrats
>>24413048Retard
17k get
Who knew the final yab was referring to the death of /#/
>>24413070>Ina's ranking skyrockets
>>24412953Nah it would just shuffle the same people from stream to stream. The only way you could really game the system for max numbers is have everyone in say, Holo JP, end their streams and raid a person doing like a 3D live or reveal all at the same moment.
FUCKING NINOMAE INANIS RUINING SHITAAAAAA FUCK YOU INA
HAHAHAHAHAHA TWITCHCHADS WE CAN NOT STOP WINNING
>>24413063All Hail ina's SHITTY NET
>>24413059holobox finest moment
>>24413099>mythniggers in 2022
>>24413109good, maybe i can cure number brainrot with this
>>24413099Oh hey I can do that too
I'm grateful to ina for introducing raids to EN
Are we having Ina schizo from now on?
>>24412429Seriously wish this was a thing. Wasn't there an anon that said he was gonna modify his scraper to report this? It would probably be the metric that's most relevant for financials that would still be visible to us.>>24412852BOTS
>>24413015They were directing to a stream they were joining, it's not like it was a raid to a non-relevant stream
Numbers destroyed by Ina
10k likes until that Suisei fanart become the most liked vtuber art ever.
>>24413048Awful might be too much but annoying yeah.
Yeah, nothing is sacred anymore, graphs will have no meaning, ccv is not accurate for more than a year now, subs and even vod vies are being culled god knows if legitimately or not, numbers never lying is now a fucking joke, /#/ should just end now and numbers discussion should be banned from vt.
>>24413174based yonkiseichad
>>24413063How is this related to Ina internet?
>>24413099if you don't have a date on that thing you might as well be posting a pic of your own anus
>>24412925>RAID SHOWDOW LEGENDlol
>>24413048pic will work better if it has a bug instead of riku
>>24413015Ackchyually....it was Prism project.
So does this mean the leeches of EN would try to stream a bit after Gura finishes to catch that sweet funnel raid?
>>24413204who got the most like for vtuber art anyway ?
>>24413099My list!!
>>24413059While anons are mourning the death of their beloved horse race, I'm so fucking giddy. I straight up asked for this to happen earlier in the thread. Retention is phenomenal, and while it isn't a "pure" raid since many of them are staying in VC it's one step closer to a fair comparison
why ina hate /#/ so much
>>24413059It works because everything is contained within the Holobox. On Twitch, raids happen to people without the box so they drop off like flies.
nijiniggers, you promised me this would be a 10k stream
>>24413059Holo raids will surely be the strongest when it comes to retention, fuckers will watch most from their company
Why does Overwatch stream get less viewers than Minecraft
>>24413099totally mine btw
>>24413204what fanart
>>24413256(no one can copyright strike me, of course)
>>24413272AI https://twitter.com/aichan_nel/status/1497587045786525696
>the forbidden DOUBLE RAID secret techniqueM-masaka......
>>24413174>all yonkiseibased
>>24413249What's the difference between Noel's membership and her real membership
Real people>bots and viewfarmsThe nijicope is amazing to see
>>24413059Holo EN all share a common audience, and also the people from the raid actually came to the new stream. If they raided like...Chloe or Kaela you'd see a big dropoff.
>>24413247ina dc'd in overwatch and raided mumeis POV in the collab, most of the girls didn't seem to even know or care about this feature prior to thatnow they just raided bae from that collab
>>24413249>lui>choco>ogayuBASED BASED BASED
>>24413099how do I save money
>>24413371no idea, you'll have to ask the guy I stole that pic from
numbers
Viewers are not even leaving, they are alive and real.
>>24413400By not being membered to fucking Sana of all people
>>24413315https://twitter.com/houk1se1/status/1525813832664625152
>>24413303>surefourhaven't heard that name in literal yearsalso, isn't Vox like a solo 10k?
Ina and Mooms had 10k each before the raidfuckery but this is illegal
>>24413400You don't and restore Koro's membership you faggot.
>>24413303Overwatch > Overwatch 2
>>24413303It's OW2, they might get even better number on OW1
>>24408075It's always amazing to me, how some of you are actually proud of not watching streams.
>>24413303>NijiEN Female>During NA hours
>>24413309Because MS hasn't completed the acquisition of the former yet.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSS
>>24413446BRING IT BACK. I WANT MY SWIMSUITS. I WANT THE HOMOS TOO
>>24413348oh but you will witness the TRIPLE RAID tonight with Mori because she promised she would defeat malenia
>>24413430I was so tempted, but gotta get the full combo>>24413461I use memberships like $5 superchats, so next time there's some event, I'll re-member for a month
NOW I WANT LAMY TO RAID OTHER LAMYI KNOW THE NUMBERS WOULD BE SHIT BUT LAMYSWhat if Blue woman raiding other blue woman? Aaaieiieieeieiei
>>24413418because the streamers they were watching are also in the stream, would probably drop if it was redirected to an irrelevant stream
>move to a different stream POV>n-no you can't bring your viewers with youkek, now we need them to actually start raiding unrelated streams to deliver the final blow
>>24413028ASMR yes, but karaokes don't get replayed that much
>>24413303>Selen is playing overwatch with DSPoh my god
>>24413059That's because they would normally switch to watching Bae anyway and never get verified by Youtube.
>Ina makes the first raid>/#/ has a meltdownthings I never expected to happen so soon
>>24413303AAAAAAAA LUCA TASUKETE DO A KARAOKE STREAM + RAID
>>24413383Ina opened Pandora Box and summoned Cthulhu
There's no way there's not some anti-cullery shit going on after someone gets raided.The fact that Bae is keeping the numbers is unbelievable.
Imagine if Mori raids Bae and gets her to 23k+. Its over for /#/
>>24413586Anon how do you even have money to eat, let alone live.
>Ina got haft of the HoloEN streams on the tally todayI kneel
Will they raid Mori after this?
>>24413430don't be that harsh
>>24413028I meant, there isn't much >we can do about it. >We can only accept that certain streams will be buff streams for VOD Views. Otherwise, raiding can mess peak CCV rankings up fast>>24412782Depends on what you are looking for, I guess. For streamers, perhaps - especially when it comes to less visible stats that actually matter (i.e: actual watch hours - no, not the scuffy CCV x stream hours formula or impression / engagement)For CCV comparison on a glance (i.e: what /#/ does), it will be less effective for Holo since the box is already performing a weaker version of raids (i.e: now you are sending 100% viewers towards another stream instead of having 20% of them moving over naturally for Holo, but it will be 100% and 10% respectively for other groups - numbers picked arbitrarily for demonstration purpose only)
I rembember the anon that decided to leave this thread just to jerk off to hags after the Millie botting thing. I think I'm joining him after today
It's fucking over, Holos will abuse this fucking system to boost their streamers. Imagine 100k 3D live raid. It's over tally bros...our horse race is over.....
>>24413557the endless cycle of raid is upon us, trapped for eternity jumping from stream to stream
>>24413636I wouldn't mind Bae lewds.
Ina is THE TALLY DESTROYER
>>24413658I would like them to, just to see her retention
>>24413303Oh wow all those (retired) OW pros, the nostalgiaTempted to watch until I saw VoxGoddammit Selen
Can strategic raiding get Council to a million this year? The possibilities.....
>>24413383INA-SAMA I KNEEL
>>24413015>EN>ENwhats the difference
So 6k from Ina stream before raid, 4k went to Mumei stream for raid13k from Mumei stream before raid, 8-9k went to bae for raidThis still is still too early to tell since like people said, there’s reasoning for why not everyone will come over (autoplay turned off, doing other stuff, etc.) but it’s kind of interesting how in both cases roughly 2/3 of the audience actually comes over.
>>24412782It's effective because both these raids have been the same people hopping streams, baka.This isn't "we ended our stream, we're leaving, go watch Bae" its "we are no going to be continuing this stream over here". How do you not see why that would have good retention?
>>24413636>Holo abused 2 (TWO) raids>It's still likely that they won't be able to beat NijiEN offcolab stream later Uhoh...
>>24413204God she looks so amazing with those big tits.
>>24413634cope?
>>24413718>Imagine 100k 3D live raidRemember Noel's new outfit stream that was right after Miko's comeback stream?
>ctrl+f raidoh nyo!
>>24413370This. Nijis will never raid because it will expose their bots.
>>24413718Holobox with raids rather than illegal funneling is looking too strong
>>24413652Tech jobs pay well, what else can I say?And dude this is like nothing compared to the chads that keep akasupa-ing
>Bae gets all these views and raids a StarCould you imagine kek
>>24413765My autoplay is off, still flashed me to Bae's stream. Or is it the reverse?
>>24413370and real people are free too
>>24413737same desu, So far the raids have been the same people just switching to a different stream. A completely unrelated stream raid will be the ultimate test of how strong the holobox is when it comes to retention
>>24413636actually curious on the post-raid retention. ER watchers are different. most would be lost as to where mori is at in the game. unless she's mid boss battle or something.
>>24413634It's interesting how utterly stable Mumei and now Bae's numbers were post raid. Transferring people might shield them from cull/sawtoothing at least until YT figures out how to reapply that.
This is the kind of change /#/ needs to incline. CCV horse racing was causing stagnation and maybe even some decline.
>>24413953it insta-teleport you to bae's stream.
>>24413765>there’s reasoning for why not everyone will come over (autoplay turned off, doing other stuff, etc.)I always have autoplay turned off, and I was automatically moved to Bae's stream. The moving process is probably automatic as long as you stay until previous stream is over. (It'll be funny if YT didn't adjust their algorithm and all those raids are going to flag everyone for culling after a few days, though)
do you think there is a chance management will tell them not to use it again, or will they not care?
>Bae maintaining 17k viewers Can someone actually explain this?
>>24413776>Always inserting nijichinks in conversations to be relevantDisgusting bugs
>>24413400If you find out, please let me know
>>24413658Highly doubt it, I bet Bae goes longer than Mori anyway.
>>24414048Nigger there's 3 fucking myths in that stream and a mumei that's going to come back
>>24413765In both cases I had both streams open at the time of the raid, different POV'S and OW crew joining Bae's chat, so I imagine it wouldnt people like me who are watching both streams
>>24413303at least is not wormy...
>>24414048Susan manipulation to make raids seem successful for her investors.
>>24414025They are the ones who setup the channels they can raid
>>24412207Mumei semester is probably over, Gura back from house searching, Ame & Ina stopped being a loner and started collabing more. Basically all these little things adding up, that and last month was really a terrible time for EN given how many members were out for various reasons.
>EN tally is deadGreat news
>>24413634>>24413996She's keeping the numbers since the raiders are also in the stream, so their viewers would stay, probably not the best stream to predict retention numbers
>Raid system implemented at YouTube>numberfags on suicide watch
Imagine: Blue Women raid another Blue women then they raid another Blue women. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>24414048gura and ame still on vc with her. they're actually talking about mc plans for the id portal relay.ina and moom will join soon too
>>24414025There's absolutely a chance they just never got around to telling the ENs not to do it, and will after this stream. They retroactively add dumb rules all the time.
>>24414112oh do you have to opt in? i thought channeled that are subbed to each other could do it
>>24414082Stop being membered to that green whore. Fauna doesn't deserve any money and I hope she never receives a single raid her entire career
So we use median now? But it's just... less fun.
So, VOD views anyone?
So this raid proves two things:- Holobox actually works for HoloEN as well- Most of Holo viewers are not just bots, but real viewersIf NijiEN does this whole raiding too, then we can have a much clearer picture.
>>24414048She always has that many viewers and more, but was culled. Youtube won't cull the raid numbers as much, though.
So any prediction for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwIgQCE4zs
>>24413991She's planning to fight the hardest boss in a game from a developer whose games are widely lauded for their difficulty. If tourists are going to watch anything they're going to watch this boss specifically. With her build and the way she's fighting it might take her a while and it could last long enough for Bae's stream to end.
>>24414130good ntsa tally is the future
>>24414025Kronii got a talk with management because she raided unrelated stream.But for this raidIna raid Mumei because they're just the same collab playing the same gameAnd for Mumei > Baez is because they all joined with Baez's Minecraft. so it's OK
>>24414216There's a whitelist so randoms can't raid you and you can't raid randoms
>>2441424520k
>HoloEN plan trying out ShakespeareAre they dabbing on Vox?
>>24414130>Huangshan Mountains and Raids kill EN tallyGreat
Wtf does bae still have 17k? isnt like over half the raid supposed to leave?
>>2441424530K-40K
>>24414207why is everyone assuming that it's a company rule not to use the raid feature? Is this like one of those things that they do in /jp/ where they assume that the values you personally share are the same ones that the nips share?
The biggest test will be the next outfit reveal relay for HoloEn and whatever celebration for Vox or Mysta
>>24413727M..mating press?
I know people are talking about the raids, but look at how Bae’s actually inclining still too. That’s the shit we’ve been talking about that culls have affected. People see big numbers and gravitate towards the channel. She’s climbing up to 17.3k now and you know that this can easily go to 18k if it keeps up, JUST because of the number that draws in holo fans who see it
>>2441424520k something, game is kinda bad
>>24414340Holobox + YouTube viewer demographics vs. that of Twitch are completely different.
>>24414048She's not even just maintaining, she's actually gaining a bit.
So how would the JP holos deal with raids? Would they be too autistic to even do it?
>>24414340The viewers were all pre-verified before they joined her, so Susan can't do anything about them
>>24414192My perfect chain would be Pekora to Moona, Moona to Kiara, Kiara to Ina, Ina to Fauna, Fauna to Gura, Gura to IRyS, IRyS to Lamy, Lamy back to Pekora.
>numbers increaseNumberbros... they don't want to leave...
>>24414340the raiders are staying for their oshi, who joined Bae on MC
I've seen enough. Raids are awful and ruin the spirit of this thread and vtubing. I will denounce anyone who abuses this so I am denouncing HoloEN. 2 streams are already disqualified from todays ranking.
>>24414340holobox helps with retention
>>24414222Oh shit, I completely forgot about that. I'd assume if the viewers who are a part of the raid stay long enough (and for this stream almost all of them are) this is going to give a buff to VOD views.
>>24413059Because they're actually joining the stream that they raided.
Stop fucking using this as an example of "maintaining" WHEN THERE ARE THREE FUCKING BITCHES IN VC STILLIf it was just a raid to Bae solo then it'd be understandable to be amazed that she kept the fucking audience
>>24414373Yeah, the cull can kill viewers interest for a stream to not checking them out.
>>24414233>If NijiEN does this whole raiding toobotsanji...
>>24414245Should beat the Kiara/Ina one, 20k?
>>24414389They aren't playing. Kiara and Ina just talked a bit about the game, did some Q&A and fucked off
>>2441424510k-20k. It's a shill stream.
>>24414429only problem is the drama EN can get away with it becasue they have 1-2 streams at max per timeslot
>>24414373>view up>chat speed up>impression upnot a surprise that it's inclining
>>24414354No one is assuming it is, but it well known that pseudo-raiding has long been prohibited by Hololive, written into the stream rules themselves. It's not implausible they wouldn't want talents using the raid feature.
>Great retention >Now inclined Twitch raids are a joke compared to thisImagine how this feature would affect EN3
MORI RELEASE THE DEADBEATS ALREADY
>>24412063>overlap cope
>>24414429See >>24410855
>>24414555>next debut relaysnow this is war
>>24414545that's just an extension of the don't be disruptive rule, if they really don't want raids they wouldn't be doing stuff like relays
>raids are suddenly fine since Hololive did itholy shitthe good thing is that this may actually free me from this thread's chains
>>24414555>Every EN starting to put their stream 3hr after Gura's slot to get her raid.
>>24414533Imagine the sweet peko funnel as she dumps her nousagi all over you.
>>24414557She's gonna keep getting rekt by Malenia for another 2-3 hours before she gives up.
>>24414612relays are a complete different thing from this
>peak 20 minutes after raidIf the retention between unrelated stream raids can stay in the realm of 70% of raid viewers I'm going to cum buckets
>>24414636>Gura will get an instant 6k+ raid from Fauna every fucking day
>>24414555Anon, twitch streamer just raid then fuck right off, here they actually stay and play with her.
>>24414636>everyone invades kroniis slotAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>24414636>Ina, Fauna, and Ame will start raiding Gura so she gets 50k every stream.
>>24414490Yeah people aren't there for Bae and that's the thing. That is why using the raid feature to stack up to 100k viewers or whatever if they pass to other solo streams would fail.
>>24414601but debuts had a 1 hour break between each stream, unless Cover decides to test out the raid system and make debuts back-to-back
Anons… the retention is beautiful…
Nijisanji English btw
>>24414786numbers?
>>24414678>mushroom hat>astel wing>trying to cheese phase 1 Malenia with ambush shardWhat's even happening with her? What is her build?
>>24413634I'm pretty sure cull IS still going on even after the raid. Remember that EN audiences are usually culled by around 30%-50% so Mumei's "real" numbers should have been way higher than what we saw. If there was some anti-cull feature going on, we should have seen a much bigger jump than "mere" 9k (like, for example, 1.5 or 2x that). 9k sounds right for Mumei's culled number when her stream ended and the raid started (12.9k), but would be a bit low if the cull wasn't around (would make Mumei 12.9k into a 20k-25.8k stream)
Oh hey
>>24414786>everyone uses member streams as a connection to their paying audience>this faggot decides to use it to do a group collabWhy the fuck is Niji like this
>>24414814shitting on chinks and chink panderers is always relevant in the numbers thread
>>24414771>experimental cross-channel feature more stable than typical Luxiem stream
>>24414689>>24414771MANY A HAND HAS SCALED THE GRAND OLD FACE OF THE PLATEAUSOME BELONG TO STRANGERS AND SOME TO FOLKS YOU KNOW
>>24414233They won't. Remember the Sara bot incident: bots don't redirect. Imagine one of the boiz stream botted to 40k then raid someone else a much smaller quantity. It would not only look horrible it would also raise questions.
>>24414786this is the numbers thread, nigger
>>24414852He's not here to be your parasocial friend
>>24414636>>24414723Turns out IRyS, Mumei and Kronii have been playing the long game after all...
>>24414921yes, exacty
>>24414844Tomorrow then.
>>24414897doing that it's not numbers related tho, unless luxiem is actually streaming
>>24414439Need Suisei and Aqua in there somewhere.
>>24414233If niji is using view farming rather than botting, raids should work just as well for them in theory.And bots will eventually be updated to work with raids, if they're not already updated by now.
>>24414989since when has that stopped /#/ - vtuber random?
>>24414844TICK TOCK CHIMAKEKS
>>24414245If it gonna be the same as Kiara/Ina collab where they couldn't even show game play I'm expecting low numbers.
Bae's chat is so grey now.Is it possible if a EN raid Gura and her chat still green as fuck?
>>24414771Retention numbers so interesting...Are WE inclining?
>>24414918When did this Niji bot rrat start?
>>24414989niji anti general, don't forget about that anon
>>24414689We've seen the days of smooth hills, the checkmarks, the saw teeth, the worms.Get ready for the age of CLIFF FACES
>>24414048>underestimating minecraft buff
>>24414829yes but others would go up also, so the 20k-25.8k stream wouldn't be the same as you are imagining now since everyone would be getting higher numbers to some degree
>>24414636>Every EN starting to put their stream 3hr after Gura's slot to get her raid....that's what they do now.
>raid cured bae of her sawtooth you can't make this shit up lmao
Has anybody checked if JP /numbers/ are talking about this?
>>24415036yeah then don't ask why the thread is so shit
>>24415008They don't stream often enough.
>>24414936could swear i saw someone posting a twitter post of him crying over a fanvid
>>24414771>Baelz Biden pulled 10k viewers out of her ass at 12AMSTOP THE COUNT
>>24415088Having something new to analyze is exciting, it's unlikely but if HoloJP, NijiJP, and NijiEN start doing raids I'd love nothing more than to compare retention rates, with proper context of course. Sucks if you care about the daily tally though
>>24415195They stream often enough for it to be possible, unlike if I said to include Ayame for the real big boost.
>>24414771The graph is so beautiful bro....
How do people even watch Bae? Her voice is grating as hell and she randomly raises it for no reason. She also seems to have the sense of humor of a wet blanket
>>24415102wait I thought some days ago people here insist that there's no anti Niji sentiment here
>>24414771If nijiEN's graph is the Huangzhou mountain, then this graph would be the grand canyon in the USA.
>>24415299NijiEN anti general. sorry
>>24415219>no Hakos BaedenYou were soooo close.
>>24414689absolutely beautiful graph
>>24414636>3hr after Gura's slot>That's Kronii timeslot>Gura love Kronii>But Kronii hates numbersKronii I'm begging you please don't move your slot.
>>24415102>>24415299Hololive board, seethe about it
what's with the victim mentality
>>24413999The reason why we have the horse race because Gura will mog everyone else in any other metric so hard that there’s practically no race at all
>>24415299people dislike nijien but that a lot of that is grudge posting that spiraled out of control after vox/luxiem posters shit up this thread constantly
>>24415169Nah her graph honestly still looks the same. Now.. I WILL say, the raid from Ina to Mumei actually did minimize the sawtooth which is interesting. It was still there, but it smoothed it out just a little bit
>>24415407Nijiniggers have the toxic combination of fragile ego, persecution complex and insecurity all rolled into one. Present a vshojo fan with 1000 reasons why the whore they watch is a piece of trash and they will laugh in your face and go back to enjoying it. But merely suggest that a nijinigger’s oshi might not be gods greatest gift to earth and they will lash out like an autistic manchild.
This retention is actually insane, because its not going down, just slowly up. This is...this is how it looks like on twitch.Oh my god does the stupid fucking raid feature cure ccv of the verification nonsense? (for the stream, no data that it does it permanently).
>>24414829EN audience is culled but lets not just throw out numbers based off the old 2020 data. Speaking of which, while EN and ID audiences seem to be culled the most, everyone is getting culled to some extent.
>>24415386>>24415343why did anons lied to me? They keep telling me that there's no bias here
>>24414771Surprising honestly. I would assume at least 40%-50% would just fuck off 5 minutes in.
>>24413269Gura streams over US prime time, so probably not.
>holo management forbids raids eventually>NijiEN starts abusing them>/#/ will demonize raids againIt's all so tiresome.
>>24415493Not a single honest soul would deny holo bias /here/, it's just a matter of looking past it for the interesting tidbits of information you can find
>Mumei redirect>Mumei been gone for almost an hourRetention, it's so complex ahhhh I love it
>>24415516Why are you acting like this thread is not melting down about raids?
Bae still incliningThe power of raids…
>>24415493The only bias here is anti chink bias, and unfortunately Niji"EN" had decided to move into sucking zhang cock 24/7
>>24415516>thread is somewhat civil right now with holoen raid>holo management forbids raids eventually>nijien starts abusing them>every thread becomes a nightmare hell hole spamming about holoens recline>and how everyone should worship the chinese>/#/ will demoize raids againyou seem to have missed a couple of things
Could you imagine a raid after a Gura unarchive Karaoke stream to a Kronii Minecraft stream
>>24415638Meltdown? These faggots are celebrating. I'm crushed by all these DQs. JPs might be the only things left worth numberfagging about.
wtf is this flat line?I guess redirected viewers keep their verification status?
>>24415309It's Guiana Highland
>>24415516Don't think that is happening people were already angry that NijiEN would abuse it the moment it was out fast forward to now and there are people hyping up the possibilities of Holoraids.
What will be the consensus, if (let's say) Mori ends her stream, raids Bae and she gets to some absurd number enough to gold. Will it be counted then?
>>24414852Honestly is you support NijiEN you deserve the shit you get. Enjoy I guess?
>>24415585I know, just a throw back at my discussion with some retards here a couple of days ago when they keep saying that there's no strong anti NijiEN sentiment ITT
>>24415791Of course
>>24415299>Shitpost != AntiBut since /NijiEN/ niggers already shit up the thread for days NijiEN is not welcome /here/
>>24415743Holy shit, that's the cliff from England!!!!
>>24415694I hate the chink trash just as much as anyone. I can just see hypocrisy too. Raids are a blight no matter whose numbers they help.
>>24415791Stream is a stream, bots or raids it doesn't matter. All should count regardless of situation until it can be proven WITH ACTUAL FUCKING EVIDENCE that there's something fishy.
SHE JUST KEEPS GOING UP
>>24415743oh no no no holobronies. That looks like a mountain range too!
Just embrace VoDs you fools. It's Youtube for godsake, not Twitch. Enough with the CCV dickriding.
>>24415791It won't effect much since Mori still has old superchats to read so it'd just be raiding with a probably around a 3k CCV.
>>24414918View farms might redirect though.
>>24415813it didn't used to be this bad, there is the reason for the growing bias
>>24415743It's truly baffling what this sort of retention means in terms of cull, etc. Its hard to see, because its only a couple data points, but the viewers that were transferred over to mumei from Ina also seemed to be pre-validated and basically raised her "floor" value up the 6k she got.
>>24415743Holy shit that's a thing of beauty. How the fuck has she essentially lost practically nothing of the raided viewers?
>>2441592118k any minute now this makes no sense
>>24415743Holy kek is a perfect mountain
>>24415855yeah there's no Nijinigs here as well, all of us including me are just shitposting
>>24415011Viewfarms won't work either. The whole purpose is to stop botting customers from getting two boosted channels for the price of one. And since botters and viewfarmers actually make their money that way and have coders backing them they have measures to prevent double dipping.
>>24415889i never said they were good or bad, i was merely pointing out the thread is still fairly civil and usuable right now
>>24415927VOD Views tallies IKZ
>>24415994Someone needs to draw some stick figure jumping off the cliff
>>24415924Kek!Where is this though?
>>24414429Gen 5 and 6 might use itPekora and Suisei will never use itMiko is too dumb to even know about this featureMio raiding the wrong personmanagement will force other members to raid into Subaru and KanataMarine will be the one raiding others like crazyTowa raiding her Apex friends outside the boxthat's probably what's going to happen
So Chloe BD countdown stream is at 289,689 yen already
>>24415985Because the people who raided her are still there
>>24414452>b-but its NOT LEECHING if its from same company!>*enters raid system>AAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAAAA*famous last nijikeks word*
>>24416027Why? The tab is still up, and YT teleport you right afterwards.
>>24415743oh man IF ONLY they were smart and posted that they were on this stream on twitterGura only posted the schedule but didn't RT'd on neither Mumei/Ina or Bae stream
>>24415813Those retards are the same people who shitpost the most about NijiEN, it's annoying and gets in the way of interesting discussion but they aren't going anywhere so I don't complain as much anymore
Will Mumei's and Bae's streams be included in the tally?
>>24416080>Marine will be the one raiding others like crazyi will be the first one tho
>>24415927Show us a site that shows view count rankings over timeHalf the reason CCV is used for the horse race is because we have 3+ sites that all provide easy access to peak and historic CCV
>>24416091will orca-kun do 50k yen ?
>>24416077Venezuela's sky islands.
>>24416159Has there ever been a stream that isn't on the tally?
>>24416159Only ina streamed today.
>>24416191I guess you meant dollars and yes, I think so
>>24416254That blue haired guy that claims not to be a vtuber.
>>24416159I don’t see why not. I mean, even if you want to exclude the raid, Mumei still hit 11.4k before the raid even happened. That’s tally numbers
>>24416146>be humble viewfarmer>be paid to viewfarm>given a URL to view>stream ends and nigga wants to hand you to some other nigga>not paid for this URL wtf>dip
>>24416027As I understand it, view farms still use browsers or the YT app to watch streams, so they'd benefit from raids automatically. They'd have to implement some extension or userscript to prevent the raids. Bots in contrast are fake YT clients more akin to tools like youtube-dl.
>>24416077up movie
>>24414048>>24414340Raid viewers are auto-verified so youtube doesn't cull them.>>24414373We know from the Spiffing Brit stream that raids also boost impressions by a shit ton so more people are being recommended this stream than normal.
>>24416191>orca-kunDon't tell me he went to stinky. She only does GFE for members.
Looking at the strong retention, raid can also fuck the average ccv up pretty bad (same for hours watch that use average ccv).
We all know that NijiEn Raids would expose the bots, not the girls(nobody cares about them) but If Vox or Mysta raid another Luxiem member less than half viewers actually show up to the other stream this board will be flooded with graph screenshots
So what was Bae doing? Why won't she join the others?
>>24416467As a few people have already pointed out, this isn't the best example since the people who initiated the raid joined the stream they were raiding. We've yet to see how good retention is between unrelated streams (though it's likely to be better than regular twitch raids due to the holobox)
>>24416467THIS ISN'T A FUCKING NORMAL RAID, THEY ALL MOVED POV TO BAE'S STREAMYou guys understand the great raid fear is "big streamer raids little streamer when his stream ends, temporarily inflates peak" not "big streamer moves over to little streamer's stream and brings his fans with him" right?
>>24415743That is fucking unbelievable for YouTube. How do you even keep viewership this stable for so long? Did the raid just break all the filters so tabbed out and muted people still count?
>>24416467>hours watch
>>24415502It's because all the members from the previous collab are still there. It's not like they dumped everyone onto Bae and left, hence its pretty different than a normal raid.
>>24416454Picrel happened just few hours ago anon
When will youtube do the needful and redeem the CCV cull for raid viewers?
>>24416627I assume, the raid was from a stream where all the viewers were already verified so they kept their verification
>>24416627I love it, raids reveal how fucked the verification nonsense is.
>>24409928... who?
>>24416454He sent a akasupa on Chloe Superliminal stream earlier and he does it pretty often actually
>>24416706That isn't a normal graph even if this was all on Gura's channel and everyone else joined for a single POV. It would still jerk all over with a sawtooth pattern and decline form the peak, not just stay completely flat.
HOLY MOTHER OF RETENTION
>>24414233They can't. Remember ina viewers had to click join raid to mumei's stream.Imagine doing that on hundreds of phones lolHolohumans > Nijibots
Go to itch.io and search for fangames: Nijisanji: 6Hololive: 6010 times more fangames are made for Hololive.
>>24416803i didn't have to click anything
>They're at PPPSTOPPPPPPPPPPPI FUCKIGN HATE PPP
HoloEN is inclining, look how many viewers Bae has.
>>24416803>Remember ina viewers had to click join raid to mumei's stream.Wait, I didn't have to do anything and I still got redirected to Mumei's stream
>>24416424>view farms still use browsersthey actually have a script that prevents that which is monitored manually and by a master server since double dipping would actually be a huge loss since they charge per account+eventXnumber of hoursit.flip who used to work in an internet cafe viewfarm
>>24416803Not really. That was probably something from Ina's side - probably because she was disconnected. I was in Mumei's stream earlier and I was moved automatically to Bae's the moment Mumei did it, no clicking involved (and I don't have autoplay on either).
>>24416851Nijisanji JP really failed the company.The EN branch is fighting alone at this point.
>>24416784Yea, I'll admit that the straight incline into staying steady does expose YT's bullshit verification nonsense for sure. All those missed watched time metrics because users were hidden behind bullshit.
>>24416900>t.flip who used to work in an internet cafe viewfarmhow'd you get a job like that
>>24416851Go check the Chinese equivalent.
>didn't even lose viewers when she went afkSugoi...
>>24416851Most of NijiEN fangames are in China anon
>>24416803I was automatically put into Bae's stream from Mumei's when her's ended even while tabbed out.
>>24416080For Pekora there are many problems. First the nousagi are known to refuse to watch anybody elseSecond of all I think she would genuinely think it’s favoritism to raid someone and avoid it
>>24416803if you have autoplay on it redirects you automatically
>>24416803you are automatically re-directed if you have auto-play enabled
>>24416862were you logged in to google and subscribed to both streamers? i wasn't on any account and had to manually click the "go now" button to get redirected
>>24416803>dumb holofagless anti-niji posting more stream watchingokay, anon?
I now understand why Bae usually has low views.
>AFK>didn't even go below 17kWhat the fuck?
>>24416974>I was automatically put into Bae's stream from Mumei's when her's ended even while tabbed out.same
>>24417001yes i was logged in and subbed to both
taking a closer look at the first raid. some observationssimilar to yesterday's apex collab, the sawtooth were starting to smooth out in the 2nd hour. indicating that the verification process are done or timed out.the first ina disconnect didn't seem to have been long enough for the multi-pov watchers to get switched over to mumei's ccv count. this second one was much longer and you can see the smooth ramp in mumei's ccv after ina went offline. then the graph starts to sawtooth a little. i'm guessing those are viewers who manually switch over thus resetting their "verification" status as they're considered fresh viewer on mumei's stream. you can also see they started leaving as soon as ina's stream is back.the raid itself is interesting. as other have mentioned, the lack of sharper sawtooth after the raid probably means that if you are redirected, your "verification" status stays for the next stream.about 2k viewers disappeared. did they not have autoplay? did they not click on the link? are they the ones that are already "culled" only on mumei's channel?
>>24415927Gura always winThere’s no competition there, it isn’t exciting
>Bae having her biggest stream since her birthday >Decides to go for a fucking salad and eat it on streamAnons, I think she actually deserves to be shit tier
>>24416943used to play dota 1 lan on the shops sister site and became good friends with the owner so when he converted it to a viewfarm he asked if i would be interested in a job
>Ghost CCV
>>24417107Anon she's spent the entire time acting like she's not in the same fucking VC and straight up talking over them by asking rhetorical questions or talking to her chat instead as if she's solo. No, she doesn't deserve shit.
>the dips from expected tab-outs are almost non-existantthe raid bullshit fucked the streams completely
>>24416996>>24417000I have autoplay disabled. Though I was logged in and am subscribed to both - maybe that's it?
>>24417124how much did they pay you?
>>24417090mnnno? King often has big fat vods (though he streams twice to thrice longer). Miko has nice vods. Pekora has nice vods. Gura isn't some auto win VOD holo, hell people never claimed she'll always have the bigger VOD of the day, just that the VODs were punching way above their ccvHell for an EN, even Vox has big dick vod averages
An interesting thing in a chat, Gura talked about tossing the salad like 10 minutes ago, but then I saw a bunch of comments talking about the same thing again.
>>24406619can we got 1 week straight of holo?
>>24416424See -> >>24416352Farmers want to opt out or even make scripts that block redirecting because the customer is paying for one boosted channel. If your job is to wash cars and someone comes with two cards taped together you will ABSOLUTELY charge for two cars or just wash the first. You're a full blown idiot if you think viewfarmers will allow anyone to steal from them.
>>24417080My guess is that multi-tab culling isn't perfect and some people do in fact count on more than one stream.
>>24417162yeah maybe. fucking guideline is vague as fuck but I wasn't redirected maybe cause I was logged out
>>24415927People here don't like VOD views because they have to take more factors into account like stream length, post-stream view growth and other influences like clip views.
>>24417151>he still uses this stupid thing as if it shows real resultsoh anon. why do you think we keep asking for people to wait for processing if there's a site that shows us the real numbers?because there isn't
>does not deservewho deserve this raid then ? nijien ?
>>24417151i checked vstats earlier and shit barely moved if it all lol
>>24417342Quite literally anyone else in EN. Bae needs to learn how to stream.
>>24417342kek
>>24417173since i only usually only manned 50-75 accounts it was just 100 php per day
>>24417277that would be interesting to test. like if you have two browser windows on two screens. or if you use holodex vs two actually tabs on the same browser.
Isn't a max 18k perfectly inline for 3 buff holos (Gura, Mume and Ina) joining a debuff channel in late NA primetime?I don't see the raid having changed the peak here, if anything I think it increased the average because they were already verified lmao
>>24415927Have fun with your riveting daily "vod tracking race" as you struggle to line up the VOD totals for streams at exactly the same time so they all have a fixed amount of time to accumulate views fairly.
>>24417375*HoloEN
>>24417023I love her model but she's pretty bad at being entertaining. Also her voice shifts so much I get tired of hearing her pretty fast.
>>24416974I briefly saw the raid prompt but it vanished then it kicked me to a Fauna vod.Thanks Pajeet.
>>24416718He has been sending superchats to Chloe since the Rushia incident. This isn't anything new.
Ame is about to leave, let's see what drop happens, if any.
Anons just now realizing how loud and unfunny Bae comes out it's like they never watched her streams to know why her solo content does bad and when it comes to overlaps she is like a 3rd or 4th choice.>>24417342Goomba.
>w-why don't we replace the tally with a more retarded tallywhy do we need a tally anyway? just discuss numbers. just discuss why the numbers were so big or small in particular stream. god forbid you might want to start taking context into account, or discuss numbers of people you watch instead of larping like you totally watch kuzuha or emperor
>>24417523If Gura's there, no chance there will be a big drop.Remember she just solo a 23k minecraft and with Council she's 24k?
>>24416718Orca is a fucking whore sending akas to the Orca and still being in Michael J. Cat's top donor list.
For those wondering about the raid feature and how they were kicked over, the "autoplay turns itself on" bug has recently had a resurgence in Youtube.Call it a rrat if you will, but I don't think this is a coincidence.
>>24417754My autoplay is off and is still off though.
>>24417754I have autoplay off and it migrated me
>>24417602I wish she didn't shift voice volume and pitch so often. She's also nit fun just loud. It's like she wants to make up for her lack of wit with loud sounds. If Sana hadn't sabotaged her own growth Bae would be the bottom of the barrel of concil.
>>24417754>had a resurgence in Youtube.its not a resurgence when its always there and never bothered to fix it the autoplay turns itself on the moment the youtube app or the site itself updates
>>24417754its most likely you need to be subbed to both chuubas.
Yea, ame left, and some viewers called it a night as well. It's starting to creep in pretty late for EST though, makes sense.
>>24417802>If Sana hadn't sabotaged her own growth Bae would be the bottom of the barrel of concil.Nah, you underestimate the nigger debuff and the bogan debuff
>>24417602I legitimately could never catch her streams because she overlapped people I cared about or streamed at a time I couldn't watch. She was slightly annoying in the RE8 collabs that I DID watch but I attributed that to her just being spooked. Now that I'm watching her and she's hosting this and being like this...? Like what the fuck is this.
is this a samefag or are there a lot of people that actually dislike bae here? i don't see what she did that was so bad
>>24418221Anon, she's literally talking over anyone trying to have a normal conversation and only interjects herself when they're talking about the game. She's interacted and actually raised her voice over something chat said while the other 3 were trying to have another conversation. T
https://twitter.com/LeeandLie/status/1526423604061081600
>>24418221I posted this because it actually bothered me >>24417107 but apparently there is some schizo actually samefagging
>>24418221I dont dislike bae im just indifferent to her ever since that whole prankster arc where she wanted to be like en pekora
How about anons make their own Raid tally so no one need to seethe and chuuba still can enjoy their shekels?
>>24418221bae's basically always too hyper focused on the game,they want her to chill and interact more with the others
>>24418279oh no, Ollie and Iofi, who could have expected this?
The portal building to ID is gonna be a relay innit? full power of raids incoming no
>>24418279the ultimate leech>holoID>nijiEN>vshoujo
Bae retaining 17k for over an hour is pretty nutty, all things considered. You’d think with the night coming to an end and being sent over that a lot would fuck off, but she and the crew are sticking with some good numbers
>>24418325i don't think is necessary unless we start to see some insane shit with raidstoday was like the first one we saw and wasn't anything THAT big
Look at that godly retention. Did the raid function break YouTube ccv count ?Right now I don't even care about the tribal shit anymore, NijiEN needs to raid each other so we could have more data
>>24418267guess i missed it, she seems to be talking pretty normal to me>>24418309fair enough she is probably one of the ones i watch the least also, but she never did anything to make me hate her
>>24418221>others trying to have a nice chill conversation>bae: OH MAH GAH WHAT'S THIS?!>others stop talking and try to figure out what the fuck she's talking about since she's digging a hole by herselfI really wanted her to be better than this
I think there will be no problem. There can only be so many stream to raid at a time, as long as we can still keep track then everything would be mostly the sameIt will also encourage chuuba networking since it would be a disadvantage if other people get raided and you don't have anyone willing to raid you (Looking at you Pekora)
>>24418429It's just instant and more effective version of box funneling.
Mori is ending, HERE IT COMES
>>24412067yet
>Mori ended>no funnelfucking deadbraps
>>24418522With holobox, you almost skip networking step already.
>>24417155Bae was muted and was only listening to them talk. She couldn't join the conversation even if she wanted.
>>24418669After the raid nig nog, back when she was building the tunnel specifically
>>24418388will any JP involve in the relay?numbers will be shit without them
>>24418556>>24418601Further evidence for why raiding does have its benefits. A 6-6.5k stream ends and 500 people hop over. That’s just so many missing viewers
>>24418691Anya will be there i think
>>24409456>>24409561> this entire thread is one person
Are going to set up a "rule of raid"?Like:>only related stream (like collab, pov dying) raid counts>if the one raided didn't move to the stream he/she raided, disqualifyI made up these rules though, just a food for thought if we want to keep this "tally" thing work.
>>24418779All me and my trusty Huawei
>>24418796Maybe keep it to only gen for JP.
>>24411478I'm a holofag and even I was watching that after Luxiem to see if these guys would continue the trend.They were kinda boring after the first few so I stopped.
>>24415094Thats the problem.Its not a rrat.
>>24418796Or we actually embrace it and include raid in the tallyMy argument is that those raid number are earned because the person who receive it is on good term with the person who send and that require effort still
>>24409561>it will be funny when NijiEN starts to use the function pretty often and we see mutliple girls getting boosted by the guysIt will be more funnier if it was the opposite thoughImagine watching your nishijp oshi and suddenly you get redirected to one of vox's taking a shower with me asmr
>>24416931jp IS the company you retard
Will they use the raid feature for 3D lives? They already stream before the lives, so we could see 5 people raid one stream at the same moment.
>>24410634ahhh, so the same way homobeggars """prefer unity""" between the holos and homos but never show up for streams.
>>24418601Bae got close to 18k but that's about it
>>24418429This is experimental phase,When it suceeded, move into gold hunter chuuba raid her collagues for easy gold
>>24418796>Are going to set up a "rule of raid"?as long as they dont do the spiffing brit where they jump raids every minute
>>24414918This is assuming:1)NijiEN know/believe theyre botted. I doubt it.2)It wont do the reverse and basically turbo verify the viewers like it did for Bae, removing the worm from the stream
>>24410855This is the reason JP will likely not do that.Unless there's literally ONE other holo streaming at the time.They also have a holo schedule so they'll always know who else is streaming at that time.
>>24418948probably should just wait to see how bad it gets before making any judgement calls
On an unrelated note, it finally happened. I'm going to still track it until the end of the month to see the drop off, and I've started tracking their two recent ones, again, for shits and giggles, but yeah, she still ended up passing his.
>>24411906They literally had one collab and she never asked again, wonder why.
>>24418968Ima be honest, if raiding becomes the norm I don’t think anyone would give a single shit if it turns out they got fans. It’d be like a multi millionaire trying to poorshame a millionaire. You’re both in a great position so who gives a fuck at that pointAs in, EN fans are gonna be happy when all their streams actually reach 10k+ or seeing Gura consistently hit 20k again. I mean you ask any EN fan here and they’ll likely tell you they just don’t want to deal with culls/ccvid fuckery any longer. They just want NUMBERS
>>24418948Make sense if we have context for it (like non raid gold, raid gold lol).Now I'm thinking about those JP that didn't sub to each other on their channel (maybe due to Coco's CN incident)And ID being in disadvantage because they have less viewers to raid in general.
>>24419108t. thread reader
>>24412218Nigger twitch has a separate tally, refer to that if you want.
>>24419095fauna is actually focused on triggers and not just RP/coombait. her vods are infinitely re-playable when she hits the triggers consistently. it should also get her more female audience. they love that shit.
>>24414439shit chain. remove kiara then it's good
>>24412218twitch is a different platform entirely
>>24419095Didn't Vox gave more live viewers and a longer stream? Wow, that's embarrassing.
>>24418948Maybe only count if a few minutes after the raid. Let's say Bae raided 17k went down to 12k really fast, it should count as a 12k stream
>>24419117Im talking about the fans reaction though not the numbersLike if you are watching Selen play apex and then you get redirected to one of vox streams in the middle of their torture lick me daddy scenes automatically because of the autoplay bug
>>24417162>>24417296>I'm subbed to Ina, Mumei and Bae, autoplay disabled>Ina raids Mumei, no automatic redirect, follow link manually>Mumei raids Bae, automatic redirectAbsolutely baffling.
>>24419282See >>24410920 from when I started tracking.
>>24409561The funny part will be to see how quickly people leave some streams, boys on boys will probably do fine but a huge Vox stream followed by a Finana raid is going to be the funniest graph ever
>>24419117>mean you ask any EN fan here and they’ll likely tell you they just don’t want to deal with culls/ccvid fuckery any longerI'm an EN fag and this is like taking steroids because your muscles are falling apart. Yes I want numbers but I just want the real numbers I know my oshi can get on her own.
>>24419315The autoplay teleportation is a bug? What is raid like on twitch? Never experienced one before.
>>24419315Oh sorry sorry, in bed and tired so misreadYeah that’d be fucking disgusting. I couldn’t imagine that. I know there’s people time to time who come here complaining that their NijiEN threads are just fujos now so they feel uncomfortable. Can’t even imagine just chillin with a karaoke and then you’re sent to a 4 man male collab talkin about bussies
>>24419334Didnt this also happen to that brits channel when the tried to exploit the loop? like some people got transferred automatically some could not and some needed to press the go to stream message that pops up?
>>24419315>you get redirected to one of vox streams in the middle of their torture lick me daddy scenes automatically That could turn people in to antis
>>24414369I FUCKING WISH
>A Gura 23k ccv minecra stream is taking over 1 day to reach 300kwhat's up with that, anyway?
>>24419379autoplay has been buggy for some time since it automatically turns on even if you have it disabled
>>24419375it's time to accept that we'll never be uncull.
>>24419476It was relatively short, it'll get to 300k anyways
I should of said this earlier, but the raid feature doesn't work on the PS4. After mumei ended it started playing an old Mumei Minecraft stream
>>24419476Deadsubs and natural recline
>>24415094when Niji painted a mountain range yesterday
>>24418601I mean it's after midnight so people are probably going to bed.
>>24419580doesnt work on phone either after the stream ended it just took me to a stream that was playing what looked like a gundam seed tower defense game
>>244194762 hour stream so it has less initial VOD views. If it doesn't pass her Gorn stream within a week however then you can raise an eyebrow
>>24419476It’s a 2hr long stream. It was talked about earlier today, but short streams are always gonna be fighting for those views more. I’ll put it to you like this: If Gura was getting 125k/hr of stream time, 30 minutes would tack on another 62.5k views, giving her close to 350k now just because she streamed 30 minutes longer. A 4hr stream would’ve netted 500k. Also, MC tends to retain people so the views aren’t super inflated. Pic related, this was 7 months ago. You can clearly see that the views/hr of stream time are extremely similar
>>24419690It worked on my YouTube app, maybe it's a buggy feature.
>>24419580I've noticed PS4 media apps tend to be poorly optimized in general, loads of problems that the same apps don't have on smartphone, tablet or PC.>>24419690I was on phone and it worked for me just fine.
>>24419760>>24419770might be a bug then ill try to see if it works next time
>Maybe Gura Minecraft tomorrowEither Minecraft or Taiko are buff for her, I guess she will just join ones minecraft if there's one.
>>24414786> collab> watchalong> members' onlyHow is this supposed to work, compared to a regular solo watchalong? Do they have to member all of them to get the full experience?
>>24419876Could just be inconsistent, my personal experience was >>24419334.
>>24417203Yeah on the JP side, you often see big streams with higher VOD view counts than Gura's, even for comparable stream durations Miko this month and Aqua last month are prime examples.On the EN side, Gura is absolutely uncontested. And no, Vox isn't really close - his average per stream is still like half Gura's.If you take into account both CCV and duration, something like views/(CCV*duration), Gura is likely #1 in the world, which makes sense with her global fanbase. So this wouldn't be an interesting metric to horse race with.views/duration may still be interesting though, since it would be competitive with top JPs and Gura.
>>24419898Maybe someone else will do a Minecraft stream at 9-10 and Gura will raid it before she joins it.
>>24419990>CCV*durationWhat kind of faggotry is this? Are Holofags really that desperate to win something?
>>24420065Viewed critically and retrospectively, the show’s genius stroke was to connect both Nana7mi and Sybil with CCV views
>>24415813The livers initially were respected for chasing numbers, even if people were personally disgusted by the content.Then the fandom started shitting up the thread (not in a fun shitposty-way, but blatantly lying about numbers, starting random rrats about holo members, using metrics to shit on HoloEN without understanding context etc.).So the fandom was hated.And then the discord thing happened, revealing maybe 5% of what was discussed in a particular channel, the livers themselves talking like schizos ITT.So the begrudging acceptance of both NijiEN livers and fandom turned into hatred.Lesson is : Don't start throwing punches if you can't take one.
>>24415889holo numberfags talk with context in mind, notice how many people are mentioning the retention of the raid numbers.Nijiniggers won't do that. They will raid 20k people into a stream, 10k will maybe show up, the peak will drop off back to what it was and they will act like this was a good thing just because it beat some other holo number.
>>24419990I made a view/duration chart and posted ITT. Fags immediately screamed "it's le unfair"
https://youtu.be/NEAFWuv0ffYAt this rate, Zeta & Bae will end their stream to raid Kaela's. the only one who will stream for the next 5 hours.
Did ina or ame leaving affect the graph?
Stream finally dipped below 17k after the raid. Maintaining above 17k for so long was impressive, but it's going to slowly bleed out from here.
>>24420065Anon, hololive pretty much already always wins in the current peak CCV tallies, only losing during niji baseball month, and even that's in danger this year.Seriously, view count is proportional to both CCV and duration, which is why there's all this talk about only comparing view counts for streams with similar duration. Ditto for CCV but to a lesser extent, mostly to show how much a streamer gets views from VODs rather than live views, which matters for EN audiences due to the fact they don't live in a single timezone.
>>24420160And HoloEN are the ones on a decline while NijiEN gets huge viewership.
>>24420160People shit nijifolks for attempts of rewriting history and then there's this guy lmao
>>24420260why are you keep ignoring that this is not a normal raid? The raiders literally joined the stream they raided
>>24415927VODs take variable time to get verified.Until Youtube has a public flag for "verified VOD" status (which they will never do), VODs are going to be far more difficult to track than peak CCV.And it makes for a better horse race anyway.
>>24420333Im excited for Kyoko's new orisong though
>>24420330>Hololive always wins in CCV talliesRORURUMAO EVEN
>>24419990Vox isn't close in average to Gura either? Like, Gura's topping her metrics in EN outside of mega buffs for others no matter hwat.
>>24420328Well it’s gonna bleed because it’s 1:30AM now for EST and heading into the nighttime for PST soon so naturally it’ll drop. But yeah, it took nearly 2 hours and 2 people leaving before it dropped below 17k
>>24420332>implying the shitposting didnt increase five fold after the discord yabguys an idiot but he has a point
>>24420373Vox has been consistently higher than Gura since March
>>24420369Wow this guy just completely removed the fact that Nijisanji only won 2 gold last month. Are you perhaps Amber heard?
>>24420334That would be arguing in good faith anon, you know stuff doesn't work that way in the admitted 'anti NijiEN general'
>>24420321Roughly:Ame leaving -500Mori ending but no raid +800Ina leaving -900
>>24420454I think anon is talking about single streams and not collab ones
>>24418796Tally anon is just one person, and he has a consistent set of rules that posts whichever peak shows up in the API.This means that even blatantly viewfarmed/viewbotted streams and raided streams will all make it into the tally.Feel free to create a new one with different rules if you prefer, but if you don't post it consistently, people will just stick to the regular tally that has been ongoing without a break for more than a year or so.
>>24420454>consistentlyHis constant ASMR streams doesn't even break 10k. Wtf are you smoking?
>>24420468>'anti NijiEN general'What about the recent yab with Kiti?
What did we learn today in /numbers/? The chink samefagging is actually a NEET that wakes up at 1pm in his shit hole.See you tomorrow I guess
>>24420437Didn't even read that far anon. Especially when the first few sentences were already blatant lies
This stream would be above 17k if people could actually fucking see Gura and Mumei
>>24417203>>24419990You can check playboard right now, the only one who beats Gura's upload view average is Aqua due to StartEnd and Marine due to her shorts, no one else even comes close.
>>24419315well, it's gonna be fun to watch NijiEn fight among themselves and leave this thread alone for a while.
>>24420552>He
>>24420369Are you blind? >>24406619Search archives for past months>>24420373I mean, you can just take a look at their channels and grok their view counts. Or their aggregate stats on vstats. Gura absolutely wins on CCV and views. I don't get why this is surprising at all...
Back to 17k when Bae is checking out Gura.
>>24419156? pretty sure the bomb collab was the only one they had, unless I missed one
>>24420437I was promised a Holo #Vent channel because Nijisisters told me that>Holos must have done it behind Niji's back, tooBut after Kobo and Miko's leak I guess they weren't called Nijisubhuman for no reason.
>>24420454Do nijiniggers live in a separate reality? Read nigger read >>24406727Vox 9428 Gura 16164
>>24420552>The chink samefagging is actually a NEET that wakes up at 1pm in his shit holeHe was shitposting way before that in the other bait threads I could tell since he has a particular way of recycling his shitposts and spams
The way Hololive will use their RAID function- 3Dlive concert -> Your own originals/Covers- 1st POV -> 2nd POV of the same collab- 1st stream -> sudden collab/later join in- Events relay stream like Karaoke relay or Minecraft relayThey will not randomly raid even it's inside holobox.
>>24420454>Gura: 555,992>Vox: 212,732Vox' highest to date didn't even beat Gura's highest of the same month.
The raid absolutely destroys numbers today. Like, I have never seen numbers so active during NA schedule in a long time.
>>24420552Uh, no. We already learned that shitposters play both sides.> genuine answer to a VSinger question> shitposting against HoloEN with Vox> posts rpr Peko cosplay retweet by Yagoo and Gura's clip numbers> posts gore in NijiEN and gets banned, deleting all of the above
>>24420454> nijiniggers and blatant lyingevery time
>>24420694What about the 5 streams that get scheduled before a 3D live, will they raid the Lives?
>Lazulight group song going to beat Fauna's orisong Fauna is a joke
This is Bae's numbers with just a bit less cull. Imagine what HoloEN's True CCV is.
I don't know if anyone pointed it out yet but the likes counter is at 11k right now against 17k CCV. A CCV to engagement ratio that actually feels plausible.
>>24420615Korone called Mori in her birthdays and Mori was probably the one who recommended/introduced her to Fake Type
>>24420798That was schizoposter this one is the retarded zhang who's gonna post about how niji made the correct decision in going into china further down the thread
I hope holo management makes it so that there aren't any dead hours anymore and every holo uses the raid feature.
>>24420565what you didn't enjoy bae digging a hole by herself when there were fucking 4 other people in the server?
A CCV chart with raid does even look wavy at all, while a normal chart is super wavy. What is the explanation for thus?
>>24420930Holo management doesn't force them to do anything, at best the could suggested
>>24420984>>24417080
>>24420948That's the HoloEN Minecraft experience
>>24420906yeah, I saw those, but like I said they only had that one actual collab.
>>24420923and the thing is, without thread IDs that same person could be shittalking NijiEN as well, to fan the flames, and you'd never know.
So what did we learn from this thread?
[News] The total time spent on stream by Mumei has just beat Sugar Rush's.- 2h18 for the Zatsu-2h28 for OW-over 2h10 for MC
>>24412096Funny how everyone ignored this
>1000 commentsSasuga Inanis for breaking /#/
>>24421084that NijiEN will never use the raid feature because it would expose their bots
>>24421084I came to this thread to watch you all squirm because its funny
>>24421113>numberfagging the numbers thread
>>24421113She opened the Pandora Box, granted it's only a matter of time before someone try it anyway
>>24421084Tally anon has a bias against anycolor
>>24421113Ina the hun...
>>24421113Based eldritch tako causing insanity.
>>24420662>Holofags>showing off their made up numbers againThis is just fucking sad at this point.
>>24421113
>>24421119that and>>24419315
>>24421175Nah i doubt holoJP will use this feature unless its a relay..
>>24421113>these threads survived CCVID just for raids to finish the jobMaybe it's for the better that numberfagging will get hit.
>>24421082thread id's would still be useless and /pol/ samefagging already proved that
>>24421084That N/A time is full of retarded tribalists that somehow honestly believes that the tally should/could reflect success/performance rather than what it actually is, which is a summary of highest recorded peaks, wasting 300+ posts arguing about it in the process.
>>24421282All we need now is magic bilibili numbers to completely mindbreak /#/. Imagine if Youtube Premium users are counted as 100 viewers like in bilibili. /#/ would fucking die
Why is Gura and Mumei such a great mischievous duo in EN for being background noise in Bae's stream?
>>24421381It probably legitimately would've been worse with Fauna there.
>>24421376>Youtube Premium users are counted as 100 viewers like in bilibilior if your membership status would also affect your viewer count like the higher tier you are as a member the higher your number count will be
>>24421113150 posters
>>24409707Twitch numbers are fine as long as you don't try to put them against yt numbers (unless you have a chuuba that's decently active on both platforms and compare numbers batween her own streams).
gdiended too early to raid the penguinshe's playing the worst kusoge too. would have been nice to see the retention
Letting the raid combo die? Why does Bae hate Ina.
>>24421254omg, a relay with this feature would be incredible.
>>24421637I'd portal relay coming soon
>>24421637Fuck...I miss the Sankisei karaoke relay before their concertI miss their early days...
>>24421619Jesas you people are retarded, they're never gonna do chain raids, especially across branches. All these raids were people from one stream moving to another one.
>>24421637id mc server portal is going to be relay. i hope mooner knows how to max this out
>>24421458eternally broken
>>24421726Why not?
>>24421744She can always ask Pekora, if it related to numbers
>>24421352what happened there? I remember "wtf I love hillary now" happening around the time thread IDs came in, but I haven't visited /pol/ in years.
>>24421726I could see them maybe doing same game raids, like if Ina finished streaming Elden Ring and Ame was currently streaming Elden Ring then she would raid her.
>>24421772Because of the 500 layers of holo autism, management autism, and fanbase dramafaggotry, newfriend.
>>24421772drama>why didnt x raid y and not z
>>24421619>>24421621wasn't kronii told off by management or somethingmaybe they're only allowed to raid related streams
just to point it out for the newfags that didn't knowraids were disqualified (twitch) because they artificially boosted the peak for a few seconds
>>24421637>straight-line graphs across a relayOh gods.......it's going to be BEAUTIFUL isn't it.....
Surprised that Gura and Mumei stayed till the end of the stream, so no massive dip at the end.
CCV is CCV, I'm not a bitch nigga. Whoever wins, wins.
>>24421825people just switched ip everytime to reply to their own postsi remember it going pretty bad on /b/ (forgot if it was 4chan /b/ or another chans /b/) though back when they implemented id's
>>24421922gura was going to play mc with bae anyway. according to her schedule.mumei took a meal break between streams
>>24410312There's always "fujos don't want to watch some girl" excuse as long as he directs it to one of them.
>>24421891Yeah, but that was because she didn't ask before she did it. The rule may be to ask before you do it or it's a stream you will be involved in.
>>24421960that just seems like cope, since IP changes take at least 10 mins even with modem resets, and thread ID at least filters the regular 1-min gap samefaggers (who are prevalant here).
>>24422018phoneposting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWjHR6HxfyII know it's just Iofi but I wonder if this will get boosted due to her account still being deleted.
>>24421939This dont care if its viewfarms bots raids or whatever the numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for you holo at summer.
>>24422018I can change my ip within seconds
>>24421891they also can self-raid like calli done beforebirthday stream > music MV premier3DLive > music MV premier
>>24410523oh just wait till Mori starts raiding conur or some indie faggot just to show how she's above the culture.
I want Hololive to arrange a week-long relay just to see the consequences.
>>24422018phoneposting it literally just takes 30 seconds at most
>>24422018>take at least 10 mins even with modem resets,hello 2012
>>24422018I sometimes reset my IP on accident, it's not hard
>>24421891no. it was kronii feeling self-concious about a joke she made during a collab. buncha kronies took it too far or something on someone else' channel.ame did soft "raids" before. early on it was also kinda shitty because en chat is almost twitch chat level retard. she got tired of ppl going "ame raid" on other channels. heck even yesterday when she ended her stream, she told her chat to go watch choco.
Pretty day for Holo ngl. The raid does an important job of confirming the majority of HoloEN viewers are pretty legit.Also, the stable CCV chart after the raid is just the cherry on top.
>>24422018It take me 1 minute and I can't even be bothered to change it
>>24422086Raids don't work like that and Cover would definitely get on her ass if she tried.
>>24422042>>24422104yeah but that just gives 2 easy IDs to track, and they can only samefag once per thread without being obvious.
>>24422207This. Isn't that literally sending your company audience to other people and indirectly harm your company?
>>24422224>yeah but that just gives 2 easy IDs to tracknever phoneposted but whats stopping them from changing ip's again?
>ctrl-F raid>385are we being raided?
>>24418601IT'S TWO IN THE FUCKING MORNING FUCK OFF
>>24422086Raids don't work like that on YouTube. She would have to break some rules to even have a chance to do it
>>24422269yes, by ina
>>24422197I need NijiEN raid right now to get more data and stop/confirm the Nijibot/viewfarm narrative. Best of both world
>>24422269someone used the raid feature in youtube and accidently streamed susan having sex
>>24422196Ame still does soft-raid. She "raided" Choco last time
>>24422301if nijiEN does do viewfarms hope their management is compentent enough that they updated their contracts with them to include multi account or they are gonna get dunked on pretty bad if they do raids but only pay for 1 account
>>24422268No it means that the old IP will not be usable anymore and it'd confirm the fucker is samefagging because there're no post with the same ID
>>24422245Yes, but for YouTube raids to work you need to be sub and white listed for you to raid someone
Narrator: raids would go on to never be used again. Years later Kiara would reveal management banned them, and the only reason she never blabbed about it earlier is because there was never anyone to raid kiara or for kiara to raid.
>>24422398Nah, they will allow it for special events and maybe 3D lives
>>24420332See >>24420454>>24420333>>24421203for why we don't let nijiniggers feel comfortable in this thread
>>24422398We'll see raids again for the portal relay.
Just a reminder that the only meme Nijiniggers have introduced into this thread is "blatantly lying about total numbers"