/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Mori, where the fuck is my TTRPG?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
fucking bitch where is my kino?!?????

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
kek, did she only hype that shit so that the other ttrpg gets traction instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
Look, I get that Mori's a total bitch and it's fun to hang her lies over her but why the fuck does anyone even want to watch more of that shit at this point. You can't complain about Mori and also think this one stream will be her redemption.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
Wait, you're still waiting for that? She's already buddy with critikal. She doesn't need that ttrpg anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827715
It's still a full Myth collab though

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
>2022
>still believing or expecting anything from Mori """"promises""""
rumao, your own fault if you haven't learned by now
Just stop caring - she clearly has, and if she doesn't care, why should you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
Pretty sure she scheduled this close enough people wouldn't chew her out too bad for it, but far out enough a ton would forget about it so she would catch as little flak for it as possible for de facto canceling it. She knows she's shit lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
bitch where is my horus heresy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
she had so much fun with TT instead that she totally forgot. FRIENDS > coworkers

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827715
She's the only available GM, what you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23828006
>she clearly has
Wrong. She never cared in the first place, she even said it herself. She joined without any real motivation in the first place and got in only because she can rap. Not even sing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827778
>>23828736
True, but at this point the finale can't be much more than decent. Mori did a decent amount of prep at first and can rp, but she lets the players drag things out, gets insecure about improv and didn't have an overall plan for how she'd get to the finale.
Considering the tech issues and how hard it was to get everyone together, awake and interested, she should've made this a shorter campaign really focused on the plot set up in the solo introduction episodes - or split the party to insert more solo/duo episodes that are easier to schedule and to pull off. The initial episodes with just her, one player and a lot of prep and focus was what got people hooked and what everyone wanted to see more of, both the players and the audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23828893
HoloEN3 should add someone competent enough to become GM. I hope you reading this, omegatroon

[Anonymous No.]

Career before genmate

[Anonymous No.]

>>23829114
Fauna would be competent enough, I'd say. She just doesn't want to do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>23828857
meant the Myth TTRPG specifically.
She clearly cared about it, at least at some point in the beginning. It was a personal pet project of hers, because it was relevant to her actual interests, so you got the rare "Mori prepared and enthusiastic"-mode instead of the usual idgaf-bitchmode she has for most other normal Hololive stuff.
But whatever enthusiasm was there for the ttrpg beginning is long gone, I don't know if it's burnout, scheduling conflicts, or whatever, but no one really cares - not Mori (as evidenced by the tweet, no follow up), not her genmates (who aren't exactly in a hurry to get back into it either), nor the fanbase (viewership went down the longer it dragged on). It's been quietly dropped and everyone involved just wants to pretend to forget about it instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23829114
HoloEN3 needs a Lui. She's been absolutely amazing so far in how much she's managed to organize in her time. A hag with actual corporate experience and organizational skills is what EN needs. HoloJP has several in Fubuki, Marine, Lui and Mio.

[Anonymous No.]

She mentioned she's trying for the end of the month in yesterday's Unpacking stream, but it depends on everyone's schedules/

[Anonymous No.]

>>23828006
>Just stop caring - she clearly has, and if she doesn't care, why should you?
because she's in hololive

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>>23829367
HoloJP also has the invaluable benefit of them all being in the same country, timezone, and all just being basically at most a 1-hr trainride away from meeting each other at the HQ office and/or for offcollabs. "Organizing" them is way easier.

Organizing something in EN is always gonna be more of a hassle. Sure, I wouldn't mind seeing someone new come in with that skillset and try (I sure as hell would prefer it over another gen of scattered people who are just passive passengers, shy autists, segregated into cliques, prone to ghosting, or always too busy with personal projects, or whatever all the copexcuses for EN disunity are), but I'm not expecting much, so I don't get disappointed

[Anonymous No.]

>>23828893
The TTRPG, at least in this form it was set up, was always doomed from the start:

- too large group, the insistance that it always HAD to be a full gen collab with everyone meant that scheduling was always an uphill battle. Despite them talking about how "oh it's no problem if someone has to drop out for a bit", that was always a farce (if the rest of them actually WANTED to continue the ttrpg and it was only one or two persons dropping out, the rest could've worked around this and carried on, but the fact that they ALL pretty much dropped out simultaneously suggests no one left was really into it at the end)

- people all over the world (timezones) and being busy with their own work. Another issue for scheduling. It's hard enough to get 5 people to agree on one day to collab, then you also have to decide the hour. And being spread out over multiple timezones all but ensures it will always be shit (too late / too early) for at least some of them, which is poison for atmosphere and chemistry. There was always one (or multiple, most of the time) people in the collab that had clear "ugh, I'd rather not be here" energy, what with being tired, grumpy, groggy or just nonresponsive.

- both issues above also meant that with the sessions being so spread out thin over weeks apart, the girls forgot everything about the game, and each stream there had to be time wasted for "uh, so what were we doing again?" plot refreshers and "uh, how does this game work again?" rule reminders. By the end, some girls were clearly checked out mentally and even Mori, whose passion project this was, seemed less into it. The fact that no one is in a hurry to revive the ttrpg is a clue that yeah, they're all probably quietly happier that it's rather forgotten.

IF (big if) anyone ever gets the big idea to do something like this again, they should learn the lessons from the failure of the first season.
- do a smaller group, only of people who are committed and actually want to be there, instead of passive passengers just dragged along for appearances' sake. 2-3 people max, also that's just easier to coordinate.
- don't try to overburden yourself by planning to make this into a season-long "arc" if it clearly doesn't work out, just do shorter self-contained scenarios that can be played in one or two sessions. If it works and everyone wants more, great, and if it doesn't, you can just stop and no one is sad or left hanging.
Really, the JP's did ttrpg streams successfully before, and they've figured out these simple practices before, so just learn from them and copy that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827696
The masterplan.

[Anonymous No.]

Where did Mori's association with Lean come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23831940
Her addiction to it

[Anonymous No.]

>>23832024
Ah I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
>irrational fears
GRADUATION SOON

[Anonymous No.]

>>23832296
These tweets always make me cringe no matter how many times I read them. "New age words" my ass

[Anonymous No.]

who cares, her room mate is moving up in the world. she just did a collab with moist

[Anonymous No.]

>>23832988
Why do people even like that unfunny soiboy?

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>>23830728
They could just play short scenarios in the Japanese style, yeah. Though I think a short campaign would work with a few people - the solo introduction sessions worked pretty well to set up something, it just needed to be more connected and with 1-2 less people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827778
> full Myth collab
> Chicken screetches over everyone
> Ame does all prep work but nothing during collab itself
> No one can hear Ina
> mori either completely disinterested or larping about something unrelated to collab that no one else cares about
> Gura does her own thing
Nothing of value has been lost

[Anonymous No.]

>>23832366
"I've been fucking scammed"

- Universal

[Anonymous No.]

>>23832296
>Lean popular in rap culture since the 90s
Tee-hee, I'm using my lore as cover for my fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
I kinda want to see IRyS, Kronii, Fauna and friends play some TTRPG

if either of them has the knowledge to host a TTRPG

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when Mori cancelled the Myth TTRPG collab like hours before it was supposed to start, only to go play TTRPGs with Trash Taste "With My Friends"? That was great

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
it was on a different channel with her roommate, didn't you see it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838767
yea
fucking disgrace
man. . . why is Mori like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>23829480
what fucking schedules?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838767
>>23838798
And yet Cuckbeats still defend her. Inb4 pocket jannie deletion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23830320
Let's be fucking real, EN's biggest barrier is none of them want to do the job they were hired for. Their income is guaranteed, their viewership is guaranteed, so they're 5%'ing it like Mori is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23839187
Fuck off, Cuckbeat. Mori's on a whole 'nother level. No one else shows the sheer contempt for fans, job, company and workmates that Mori does. You do not get to minimize her bullshit. Fuck off back to the TT discord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
She played with her real FRIENDS already. This announcement was to divert attention to that one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827715
We don't want to watch mori, we want to watch the rest of the girls at least conclude a campaign because letting one hang on the ether is the worst thing for anyone playing a trpg.
Even if the ending is shitty, it's an ending, and I would love to see any of the 4 play another rpg in the future. Not Mori though, I've seen enough of her pathetic gm skills and it's bad even for amateur standards.

[Anonymous No.]

didn't she just collabed with Charlie? i don;t think he even know who the fuck is Mori

[Anonymous No.]

Bunp

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838767
i hate whori

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838928
ame moves every 2 weeks and tummy hort
kiara actually likes streaming and does it daily
gura is burnt out and sick of them
ina would rather stream solo

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838598
Does Myth even like eachother anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
hopefully they'll just forget about it and never mention or bring it up again

[Anonymous No.]

>>23844523
Kiara and Ina/Kiara and Amelia do since they still talk about each other all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23839187
Only fucking Mori takes it to the extreme.
No her pulling an all nighter at the last second to finish her songs before deadlines isn't working hard. That's just her being retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
hey shes busy ya know

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
They're going to wait to do it offline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
sorry, she drank too much lean, couldn't do things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23828736
I pray for another EN GM. Make me a Holostar, I'll do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
This fucking bitch robbed me of my precious Scout

[Anonymous No.]

>>23846596
blame yourself for believing Mori

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
nigger I was a big fan of it but you're delusional at this point.
She doesn't care, the other girls do not care. It's dead, move on.
If you want chuubas playing TTRPG do your JP reps and watch Fubuki DMing for her random 2view friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
she needs time to prepare for the Gobbo Slayer TRPG for her real friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23829114
Do you guys think NijiEN could do it after their next wave? They'd have 25 players, and they collab all the time. They should be able to get 5 interested folks and make it a regular thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
She's busy moisting herself while playing with Charlie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
It's a typo of NTRPG, an RPG with NTR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838767
that would genuinely hurt my feelings if i was in myth

[Anonymous No.]

>>23844523
Yes
https://streamable.com/8zwfxz

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838667
Isn't that universal? They all use their character to cover up their flaws and mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23829114
>HoloEN3 should add someone competent enough to become GM
The monkey's paw grants your wish.
Arcadum confirmed EN3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
She is busy AF. Plz anstand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23835040
He has the humor of a 10 year old, which explains why mori likes him lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>23832296
This is honestly worse than the whole cuck incident. How the fuck can she be this reddit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
That was Pre-Universal Mori, she'd dead now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23854599
>DnD DM
>Competent
lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>23860884
This literally was the cuck incident, anon. This was her apology.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23850794
Someone post the streamable where Mori clearly gets caught lying to Kiara about her "King" cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23861293
Yes, that's what I meant. Her apology was worse than the incident itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838767
If this is true mori really is a bitch

[Anonymous No.]

they are going to do it as an off collab in 3d with real dice

[Anonymous No.]

>>23848017
They would make it a 12 player campaign where everyone is constantly talking over each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
Never even finished the episode with the wierd meta “teamwork” assignment, so dont care if they make more unless they switch GM
I love both tabletop, world of darkness and most of myth but still It was trash

[Anonymous No.]

>>23848017
They would need a seasoned GM to keep them in line, has anyone of them mentioned having GM experience?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23867483
lolno
They have a GM in NijiID but he's a 5enigger. Mori is the closest "real" ttrpg as far as EN corpos are concerned and it's going to be a while until someone steps up. The west (indonesia included) is focused too much in fantasy kitchen sink trash and don't bother exploring other possible settings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
Please delete this doxx anti thread. Threads negative about Mori are NOT allowed on /vt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
She doesn't care about HER FRIENDS anymore after the Universal Music deal

[Anonymous No.]

Too busy fucking gigacuck please understand.

[Anonymous No.]

As long as this bullshit is hanging over everyone no one else can start their own ttrpg, so just fucking end it already.

[Anonymous No.]

Give her a break, she's one of the hardest working Holos alongside the likes of Koyori, Watame, AZKi, etc - the content output across her accounts is insane. She wants to put out QUALITY content, maybe you should switch your brain off zoomer mode for a little while and appreciate what you get, okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23878910
No faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827740
The eventual plan is probably to move away from Hololive in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>23878910
Work on your bait.

[Anonymous No.]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K04VPtkg4Ho
Please undastando anons she's been through a lot recently + alcohol or lean or wathever the fuck she drinks + she'a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

She said April not what year

[Anonymous No.]

>>23878910
>>She wants to put out QUALITY content
>churns out the same songs over and over again
>JK fairy and endless Shrek jokes in her streams
Yeah I'm only seeing quantity here, not much on the quality aspect.

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>>23880534
Funny, it was already clear that you never watch her streams, and now you're revealing that you don't listen to her music either. Perhaps you could... you know... actually try the content before you try to criticize it?

>>23880298
>>23879529
Your opinion of her does not change the fact that she's on the grind more than most of the other Holos. Honestly who cares if she has to delay one tabletop stream, there's probably just a scheduling issue, and if not, she has more important stuff to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23880534
The faggot compared Mori's work ethic to Koyori's, his falseflagging couldn't be more obvious. Stop giving him (You)s

[Anonymous No.]

>>23880825
(You) are an unbelievable faggot, whether you’re falseflagging or just a genuinely delusional cuckbeat.

As far as music is concerned.
>She writes her lyrics in a few hours, often drunk. That’s why they are surface level deep, and why she only writes about herself (the one thing on her mind).
>She has used the same stilted delivery and cadence for 5 years now and has failed to improve in the slightest. She thinks she can hide it if she raps fast enough.
>She can’t stay on beat, which is why when she performs live she uses backing vocals.

When she streams
>She always has some fucking scuff (like the yt music weekend) because she doesn’t do any prep and can’t be bothered to learn how to avoid it in the future.
>She doesn’t watch or keep up with the other Holo members, she never knows anything about them personally or what they are up to on their channels.
>She cancels, shows up late, or just ghosts other members on the regular.
>She doesn’t read SCs anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23879692
Graduation any day now right antibros?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23881824
Her music is more popular than half the songs from the other holos combined, why should she need to change a winning formula? Currently her music influence is even beyond Suisei-tier, it's up to the other artists to get experimental to try to challenge her top spot. Maybe to you her music has flaws, but to the majority, it's more than good enough, her success is built upon her rapping, and she is no doubt successful. Better prepare your copypasta devaluing the significance of the record deal.

As for the other stuff, it is clear to me that you simply have a grudge against Mori. Whenever one of the other ENs does any of these things, the response from fans like yourself is just "tee hee lol", but the moment pink woman does it, it's "NOOOO MORI BAD SHE CORRUPTING IRRRYYYYSS". Every other stream is scuffed from her genmates (EN curse, now EN law). Nobody knows anything about nobody outside of their friend circles, do you really think Mio knows what Reine is up to? What about Mumei and Shion? Gura ghosts her entire fanbase for days yet nobody holds it against her, hell some chuubas disappear for weeks at a time. Mori isn't obligated to read donation messages, especially after the edgy trolling attempts that she's received, and people need to respect her decision. The reality is that she's really busy and does not have the hours in the day to adhere to whatever unrealistic standards you try to impose upon her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23882785
>unrealistic standards
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>23880834
Do yourself a favor and take the anti glasses off for a second, then have an objective look at Mori's output. You might be surprised, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23882977
>SHE NEEDS TO SPEND 30 HOURS A DAY ON HOLOLIVE
Last time I checked there are 24 hours in a day, and 30 > 24. Hmm, curious...

[Anonymous No.]

>>23882785
>Mori 5% Callipoe

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827673
>kino
>mori ttrpg
????

[Anonymous No.]

>>23838598
>Chicken screetches over everyone
That UNO collab still lives rent-free in your head...

[Anonymous No.]

>>23883169
She could work for 48 hours of the day and i would still call her unprofessional due to all the other things apart from her output.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23830728
Pretty much sums it up - it's seems like a mistake that I think a lot of experienced GMs have had at least once, having a hugely ambitious scripted campaign that ends up burning out because of scheduling issues or the like.
Most of the best long campaigns start from stringing together one-offs that compound into something bigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>23883115
I'm not an anti you troglodyte, I have no problem with Mori, its faggots like you that I hate
>koyo hours streamed = 617
>mori hours streamed = 231
You can keep falseflagging all you want, but you're still not getting a (You) from me

[Anonymous No.]

>>23882785
Stagnation is the ultimate sign of a fucking hack.
Imagine if Green Day still released shit that sounded like Dookie 25 years later. Their new stuff is absolute dogshit, but at least they try new shit instead of recycling the same formula to keep their shit eating fans happy and buying the same record over and over.
Artists are inherently creative and constantly want to try new stuff and find new boundaries to push. Hacks just stick to the same shit that works until they die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23882785
>popular=good
By that logic you should eat shit. Trillions of flies can't be wrong now, can they?
It's funny how the original how the original discussion was about need ing time to make quality music and now you state that her music is good enough. Guess what? If you turn on the radio, the music that's on there is also good enough, doesn't make it a quality production, though.
Now bare in mind that I don't think anyone is pushing the limits inside of Hololive when it comes to music. The most ambitious song is probably Unison and even that is just a step away from the norm with the binaural sounds and the limited instrumentals. From this crowd, Mori's music does not stand out in the slightest in a qualitative standpoint. What gives her the numbers is the novelty factor and offering an alternative to the more idol-focused music production of the rest of Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23883582
Mori has released more than thirty songs this year, but that doesn't show up in your little stream numbers so you just say "h-heh, five percent, amirite redditbros??". Also, I didn't say she puts in more hours than Koyori, but she's still in the Top 5.

Also
>le falseflag boogeyman

[Anonymous No.]

My favorite thing about deadbeats is you literally can't tell the difference between bad bait and a deadbeat. They're just that delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

When is her PornHub debut getting spitroasted by Connor and cr1tikal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23830728
Damn, pretty much says it all. I think this was inevitable, all things considered.

I feel like it would have been easier to do one off campaigns with a small group or individual ENs. Then they could happen whenever a willing party had some free time. I thought some of the girls really thrived in an improvisational role playing environment. Gura especially.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23884466
I jerk it to that Mori look alike video every now and then.

[Anonymous No.]

Fauna should try running a short D&D adventure with Mumei and Kronii or something.
I think she'd be good at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23883398
First sessions were certified kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>23827645
>TTRPG
Much more important shit came up. Like the signing with UMG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23884339
>hardest working Holos alongside the likes of Koyori
>I didn't say she puts in more hours than Koyori
Semantics, but sure. I don't care what she does in her free time though, just like how my boss doesn't give a shit what I do in my free time. I'm not even calling her lazy by any means, just don't compare her to my workaholic oshi

>h-heh, five percent, amirite redditbros??
Who are you quoting? You're still assuming that I'm an anti, cause otherwise your faggy little seething falls apart. Sorry retard, but I don't hate her, I hate (You)

>she's still in the Top 5
>koyori 617
>watame 484
>lui 388
>kiara 373
>fubuki 369
>...
>mori 231
She is 21st in fact, still some nice numbers don't get me wrong. Again, I didn't call her lazy, just don't compare her to koyo

>le falseflag boogeyman
Yes, I assumed that you can't possibly be this retarded and are probably just falseflagging to make anons shit on Mori. My bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>23881824
>>She doesn't read SCs anymore.

You haven't watched her recent streams
Unpacking stream, Vampire Survivors, Elden Ring - literally every stream since she got back... all had SC readings in them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23868084
the new meta is insulting spics. since janny is a spic himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23887963
Were they recent? Anon's referring to the fact Mori said she would offload them to her manager to check before she read them on stream because she kept getting baited and tilted so hard by superchats (which doesn't help, as she still just reads the bait in chat and gets pissy at it then, see the shrek elden ring bait). Either you're referring to supers she got screened and read afterwards, or even her own manager told her to fuck off lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>23848076
fuck me that sucked
I didn't watch it, but I am so over that faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>23888091
>insulting spics
You should call him latinx since that is the more respectful term.

[Anonymous No.]

Mori is too busy getting drunk and trying to get laid, good luck anon. You're wishing for something that will never come

[Anonymous No.]

>>23830728
If Calli was smart, she'd do a new campaign with the Chadcast girls. That solves literally every issue you outlined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23882785
Dude, she has serious drinking issues that make people deeply uncomfortable. I don't care about anything else, her drinking is fucking scary. Don't enable her by making excuses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23832296
the fact that 99% of her songs are about how hood and cool she is despite being white makes this even juicier

[Anonymous No.]

>>23884409
you know this is unironically true, right? they lack self awareness and critical thinking skills just as much as Mori does

[Anonymous No.]

>>23885046
I thought it was going to be two or three sessions max, I don't know why she tried to keep it going for so long

[Anonymous No.]

>>23885654
jesus, I didn't think I'd see someone above watame

[Anonymous No.]

>>23889216
>eggs about to dry up
well no shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>23889216
>omg im literally shaking and scared from the drankies
bro i dont like mori but stop virtue signalling. let her burn away the candle from both ends who cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23890878
I don't mind her fucking her own life up but she seems determined to drag others down with her

[Anonymous No.]

>>23832296
It's true though, white suburban girls don't know actual drug language. They think "hit the pipe" literally means hitting something with a metal pipe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23884409
Shit, I never realized this. Sometimes I read some of their white knighting and I can't believe anyone would post that shit on 4chan and not expect people to relentlessly shit on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23882785
If Moona and Risu could release with a similar frequency, or if IRyS got to flex into genres that doesn't sound like every anime OP ever, they could all give Mori a solid run for her money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23891145
I cringed so hard when she told Ina and the IDs that she'd get wasted with them once they met in Japan. All of them were like "hehe...yeah".
Two years with Ina and she doesn't know that she's not the type to "get wasted", also had no idea that inviting IDs to drink could cause muslim schizos to anti them.
Pretty sure she was so indifferent towards Kiara back when she was still in Japan because Kiara isn't the type to get drunk either. Now everyone can tell that she suddenly regrets pushing Kiara away. Her obsession with alcohol onstream is just pure cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

Mori is now BIG MUSIC STAR, she has no time for childish games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23891872
IRyS, sure, maybe. But
>indogs
lol never in a million years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23893998
Can't deny their singing voices.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry, Charlie takes priority

[Anonymous No.]

>>23890878
Dude I am a former 10 year alcoholic. My reasons for hating drinking is because it's fucking horrifying, and changes who you are. I wish all alcohol was fucking banned, it's the worst fucking drug out there and people who encourage others to drink are stupid naive cunts like Mori.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23883706
why do you waste time typing shit like this when even a surface glance at the genres of each song on her latest album proves you're wrong. i don't get it. really weird waste of effort

[Anonymous No.]

>>23894990
Of course not, but it's just a fact that ID can only imagine standing on the same pedestal as Mori in terms of popularity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23895122
>if I can't enjoy it then no one can
kys faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>23867593
At least he's aware that it's just a gateway TRPG, and he plans to introduce other systems one day
Probably far future (like at least 3 years) though

[Anonymous No.]

I liked the girls creating the characters more than the gameplay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23897481
>introducing more systems instead of just using Tracy Hickman's
You literally need a d20 and 4 stats and that's it.
No useless stats like in dnd/pf
No bloated numbers and useless rolls like in coc/rq/wh/wod
All the flexibility you need, no bloat and no charge. Get any manual you like and change it slightly and unless you're a terrible gm like mori you'll have a blast
Just take the classes of whatever you want to play, make group initiative mandatory, use XDM character sheet and forget about "systems" forever. They're as much of a trap as corpo chubbas making you think they're better becauae their numbers are higher.

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>>23895371
With more exposure, they could. They blew people away at HoloFes.

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>>23897811
>character creation
>all girls have fun, mori interacts at the minimum, they all are filled with joy and wonder over their advnture
>individual sessions
>acting their character and their backgrounds, fully engaged, each having a good dynamic and ready to take on their first rpg
>the actual campaign
>slowly in decline, girls lose motivation fast and mori is completely responsible for not creating engaging hooks and not making anything interesting, railroading, using a system filled with flaws and not much excitement, and the boring parts were all mori
Awful vtuber, worse GM. Mori is the worst

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>>23897945
Seems interesting. I'm more of a FATE guy myself but maybe that's because I'm lazy and my friends are too nice to tell me how much I suck at improv.
Anyway, his New "Going Home" series uses a modified 5e to the point where it's basically an almost systemless TRPG with only skill checks (which are basically slightly modified coinflips at this point)
I know 5e has its flaws but I'd say don't knock it until you try it. From my experience of watching actual plays, the system is not the sole factor determining how enjoyable the stream is.

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>>23884466
Just three month's worth of RFA marathons away, hopefully.

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Man, imagine if the HunterMyth fangame gets finished before actual HunterMyth

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>>23891965
She’s an alcoholic. She prefers the company of drinkers, like a smoker who prefers the company of smokers.

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>>23895122

So many alchoholics cope with the fact that they can't handle their ship by deciding nobody can.

Your fuck up and inability to control yourself had nothing to do with the drink, that's just the crutch you used.

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I believe in Mori pulling off a good finale because she is a Texan. and Texas girls make do

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Bamp

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>>23827645
>mfw the TTRPG will come and it'll be fantastic like everything Calli makes.

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>>23905327
Too bad that she is busy with the NTRPG

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She did had a TTRPG session about 2 weeks ago.

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Here you go OP.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3jybGGR7Kk

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>>23906356
Get fucked doxxbeat

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>>23865690
When the post is deleted by a janny it's because it's true in 90% of the cases

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>>23838598
that's why it's fun

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TL;DR: I'm coping

Man, ever since I started lurking on /vt/ my views on vtubers has changed a fucking lot. Alas, even knowing that this will fall on deafen ears, I will share my thoughts on the matter:

I do not think that Mori (and by extention her roommate) lies intentionally. I think that her main problem comes from the fact that she's riding the greatest high: she has everything she ever wished for and more, and the success keeps coming. So, being the retarded that she is, she tries to embrace it all: the vtuber career, her RM stuff, UMG, her new friends, personal life achievements & etc.

So, with a lack of laser focus and proper planning, she ends up being mediocre at all of those things. Her vtuber career is tanking this lack of planning, her friendships seems to be waning etc, you get what I mean.

Eventually this great high will fade. And soon, very soon, she might have to make a choice of which fucking way she wants to go. Again, I don't think she does all those shenanigans on purpose (she is somewhat mentally ill, and a human being after all) so I'm still playing devil's advocate and waiting to see where and when this ride ends.

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>>23905327
Has to be bait.

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List of Mori lies

>Oh yeah haha I totally have senpais I want to collab with I just coincidentally can't name any, can we please change the topic?
>Oh yeah haha I totally have hololive songs I like, I just coincidentally can't name any... Uhhh.. Uhh OH YEAH HINOTORI, the one song I know, is clearly the best! (Thank god Kiara reminded me it exists)
>I don't collab with JP's because Cover doesn't allow it when I ask! No wait, I don't collab with JP's because I'm too shy to ask in the first place!
>Yes Kiara I listened to your King cover it was great... Wait what do you mean it doesn't exist??
>Actually Kiara I TOTALLY watched the original song you made for me a long time ago, you see I just PRETENDED to not have watched it for... reasons. (This has nothing to do with the fact that I got chewed out by everyone for being a huge piece of shit, no no)
>I've learned to say no
>I'm gonna continue DOOM when I get a PC, no wait, I'm gonna continue DOOM next year, no wait, I'm gonna continue DOOM next year in Summer, no wait...
>I'm gonna sing Godzilla at 1m subs
>I want to uplift indies
>I want to collab with Korone-senpai
>I totally knew who Suisei was before she sung Red in karaoke
>TTRPG finale is mid-April
>I like tall men too, I swear
>I'm too busy to be in a relationship with someone
>TTRPG will be moved to mid-april
Bonus: https://streamable.com/t2985s

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>>23911239
There are even more than this too.

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>>23911086
>soon, very soon, she might have to make a choice of which fucking way she wants to go
I don't think it'll be that soon, but I do think someone's eventually going to show up with way better music ability than her (pls stars) and she'll suddenly torpedo straight into being forgotten, probably causing her to have another meltdown.

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>>23883800
flies are based. maybe everyone in /vt/ actually should eat shit

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>>23911239
>prop up indies
I've seen that when I read about her. What exactly did she want to do with indies? Vshojo aren't indies in her head, r-right?

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>>23897481
Nice try. I know the type. If your first TTRPG is DnD other than adnd or first ed, your experience in the hobby is forever sullied and you can never enjoy it like the old masters. Most of the time when people say it's "just a gateway TTRPG", they're coping that they're not just normalfags or cowards who never try anything new. Next step of the cope is "hey guys let me borrow mechanics from other system and putting it in 5e" or "Let's run StarWars d20 instead of utilizing the FFG starwars books".

Fags. All of them. At least Mori tried to go with Hunter on her first go instead of compromising.

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>>23912069
Milky Queen is an indie. A literal 2view too pre-mori.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxaEhX-ehnM

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>>23891872
I think it's impossible for Moona and Risu to release music with a similar frequency because IIRC, they don't have backdoor access to mixers nor write lyrics themselves. If you want an ID that's sorta comparable to Mori, since this girl works on music non-stop, you should turn your eyes to Reine. However while Reine has a pet mixer(Redshift) she can just pull up any time, she still doesn't write lyrics herself and her creative process is a bounce of back and forth between her and her writer and that takes a while. Add in the money factor, Mori can just throw fuckyou money to speed things up, something Risu and Moona can't reality do. Even then, Mori can't bribe her way to premium studio reservations.

As for Irys, I don't think she can do anything because Cover writes and composes for her. I remember Mori wanting to do a collab song with Irys or help her make an original with creative input from her, but apparently the cover-owned intellectual property Irys from Project Hope(Not the actual person) is difficult to work with

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>>23911239
>>23911645
>Connor apologized to everyone in hololive
Don't forget

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>>23827645
It's dead, just like HolofighZ

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>>23827645

I really hope when Holostars EN kicks off at the end of the year they do a real TTRPG collab on a consistent schedule.

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>>23891872
>if IRyS got to flex into genres that doesn't sound like every anime OP ever
This goes to 95% of all holos. If they worked with better/more left field producers their songs wouldn't be as forgettable as they are.

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>>23915713
That's the problem with most vtubers. They don't really have genre identity for viewers to reliably expect them to. No, idolshit doesn't count. It's not a real genre. Nor does "anime OP" count for anything. The sooner they realize people listen to their music because it's a TYPE of music they like instead of people listening to their music because they LIKE the vtuber, the sooner music vtubers becomes actually respectable instead of just some weird niche for weebs.

Where is my power metal chuuba?

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>>23915580
Risu actually wrote the lyrics for her newest song.

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>>23911086
Mori is just a basic bitch that got catapulted to success through many convenient circumstances. Is her success completely undeserved? No. She appeals to the reddit/trash taste/ironic weeb crowd extremely well and that's quite a big audience. These are the people who love her wigger antics, her reaper stuff and things like that. Every now and then you can see some very obvious posts from redditors that are praising her for supposedly finally breaking the stigma that vtubers need to be idols, which is obviously an inherently stupid argument from the get-go. She's basically a redditor's dream gf, "cool" but also nerdy.

Now she has a lot of hugbox fans but also many antis and the internet can be a difficult place to navigate. The consequence is that things always feel either black or white. Her antis will always shit on everything she does, so taking everything they say to heart is obviously not a good idea. Yet her fans will never really call her out when she acts kinda shitty or embarrassing so that they don't pile on to the hate she's already getting. Like most people, she probably blocks out any negativity, even if it includes valid criticm.

It must be difficult to get a good grasp of how people actually perceive you, especially those that aren't necessarily fans nor antis. This is why it can sometimes be extremely hurtful when for example randoms on Twitter find out about her music and start making fun of it, because they have no reason to hate her, they just genuinely think she's cringe.

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>>23916066
Oh right. I remember her sneaking in AYUNDA RISU on her lyrics. She seems to have an idea of what kind of genre she wants to lean into. Yeah sure, but don't under estimate the amount of work it takes to release orisongs. Just because a wigger makes it look easy doesn't mean it is.

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>>23911086
If she does have to make a choice, it has to be her UMG obligations.
She's their property for however many years she signed on now and it sounds like she didn't even negotiate for the rights to sing her own songs on stream.
Sora has this issue too where she's only allowed to sing her songs at concerts.

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>>23827715
Maybe because it's the FINALE. A conclusion to something she started and ruined with a terrible squid games inspired filler. Are you okey with someone promising something and never delivering on that promise just because?

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>>23916571
Wouldn't a show you don't like getting cancelled be a good thing? Why involve yourself in something you don't like?

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>>23914837
ok boomer

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>>23912066
No, just (you).

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>>23895371
Exposure and recognition are what they needed, period.
If either Moona or Risu debuted on either Main branch or EN do you seriously think they still gonna rot like this? Sorry for ID bros but ID tag is a massive debuff

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>>23893998
Ey fuck off i blame them for placing my favorite indogs on the shittiest side branch ever existed

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>>23908464
This. Jannies seethe at unwanted truth.

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>>23839187
You're absolutely right, but I wouldn't blame them, if I could make a living working 8 hours a week and pretending to be busy with other stuff, I would

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>>23916490
>Sora has this issue too where she's only allowed to sing her songs at concerts
watch stream anon

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>>23918264
Star Wars: Force and Destiny was released on 2015.
Dark heresy was release on 2014.
Mork Borg was translated into English on 2019.

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>>23839187
Which EN, Myth and Council is like night and day

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>>23918700
>Mork Borg
Fuck off James, go back to your Neckbeardia containment thread.

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>>23891365
If she didn't know "lean" meant something other than alcohol, she wouldn't have corrected herself.

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Dead, like her DMing talent

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>>23918793
Sir, just because I do not want to ERP with the cock-sucking faggot roleplaying as a tiefling echo knight hexblade paladin doesn't mean I'm James. Run a Lamentations of the Flame Princess module you fucking queer.

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>>23918939
Sounds more like a player problem than a system problem to me.
I get people hating 5e because it's too popular and the big stupid playerbase refuse to try anything new.
But I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with the design, flaws exist but they don't make the game literally unplayable. They don't make a stream of a game literally unwatchable.
It's like hating on holo because having the biggest fanbase means having the stupidest fans who refuse to try anything new.

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moris busy writing musi- oh nvm

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>>23919118
Ngl some of these mf need to check their fucking video description to fucking see who wrote their shit, I remember someone said Moona wrote her High Tide and after checking her description that's not true at all

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>>23865690
It is true. I remember Kiara scrambled together a collab at the last minute cause she bailed so late.

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>>23919115
5e is scaled down 3.5e and attempt to return to a more ADnD pace. while they streamlined old concepts (skills, saving throws, subclasses etc) However, they were also babbies for carrying over late-4e design theories on monster combat; big fat stacks of HP with low damage. Then they added too many babyproofs because they're scared of strange mechanical interactions they didn't expect (the same anti-fun terrified dev design safeguards league of legends utilizes) and instead sheepishly add boring numerical increments and reskinned and rehashed abilities. You could've hacked them all away, but then if you spent so much effort on that might as well play something else... All this and they still forgot to address the caster problem.

Don't forget on the meta-level they seem to be focused on releasing adventure modules with an established settings and teaching the players, and the fledging GMs wrong lessons such as the impermanence of a module (treating it as an instanced dungeon to adventure to, not as a part of a persistent world) and brings people who's only real form of expression is through their characters.

But as for a system not being a big deal? Sure I can agree, I don't even use the rules unless it's necessary for conflict resolution. I ran a full Death Frost Doom and the only time I actually used 5e rules was during combat, and it was the slowest part because Christ of course 5e is.

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>>23919322
lmao, deadbeats also claim that mori wrote live again despite it literally saying it was a sample in the description

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>>23919587
Glad we can agree on something. The system really does fade away if you're just watching, and at that point it's more about the people who are playing and the quality of the story they're in.
I also agree that combat gets too slow, especially with new players, so when watching I just put combat on 2x speed if it's a VoD.

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>>23918939
Sure, go back to selling your ERP tabletop models and say hi to Megan's boyfriend for me.

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>>23920014
But with that we're back to my original point; 5e is still a bad game introduced as your first TTRPGs because it teaches you the wrong lessons and many ttrpg newfags got introduced into 5e first, and get inducted communally through Adventurers League, ERP forums or their fellow alphabet friends.

5e as a system is "workable" for newfags, but that requires it to be ran by a veteran GM to ease them in. Or else they'll be playing DnD fucking forever and nothing else.

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>>23920459
If we go back to the original posts that started this chain (starting from >>23848017), well...

There is a game, and there is an ex-ID GM who can keep EN in line (considering how chaotic ex-ID is), despite his system of choice being 5e.

One can say it's bad and isolated and newfag-infested, to insist and gatekeep that it's not a "real TRPG" to them, and everyone is allowed to dislike it, but 5e is still a TRPG.

So yes, NijiEN will be playing a TRPG with a GM from ex-ID. It might not be a "real TRPG" to some, but technically the answer to the original question is still yes.

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>>23920909
oh wait I should've gone one down on the chain, there's no plans of campaign yet but a oneshot exists.

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>>23920956
>>23920909
I know. I think I watched it. It was the halloween one if I remember correctly. I still preferred the TTRPG Petra was in because while the japanese are a bit railroady in their style of play, they're still flexible enough to try all sorts of systems and settings.

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>>23915949
I need a future funk chuuba with actual talent (so, not Nyanners).

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>great intros for all the girls, gura especially
>first few sessions go reasonably well, hedge session feels like everything is clicking into place
>immediately switch gears and kill the momentum with the plot unrelated, player confusing carnival
>base under siege shits the bed, pointless timeskip, interlinks characters and plot points that didnt need to be to rush through the game
>finale has delays on delays on delays
I just want to see our girls have fun together and do white wolf shit; hell, i'd happily take one of them streaming bloodlines, anything

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>>23878910
>>23880825
>>23882785
>>23883115
>>23883169
>>23884339
>>23885556

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>>23926874
SUCCESS
BREEDS
JEALOUSY

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>>23920459
I think this is where our concern becomes less applicable to the whole scene of vtubers playing ttrpg.

I dont really like 5e myself but I've been following the whole thing from the certain ex-id. as far as I can see, the players aren't exactly the ttrpg playing type as in they play only when it's a stream.

i believe the dm multiple times talked about how he needed to streamline a lot of things so it can still go without the need to pressure everyone to read things.

at this point, we need to agree that it's an extremely niche genre. no real hope for "real ttrpg" in the future.

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>>23920909
Is there something wrong with 5e or is it just uppity Paizo fans?

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>>23911239
this

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>>23929357
5e is pretty bad from a balance perspective
it used to be slow and steady in the early years but in the last year or two every added game option speeds things up and makes you blast harder and faster and act faster and throw more spells
Its like any MOBA how over time the Hero's abilities are tweaked to make games faster and damage bigger to satiate the playerbases burnt out dopamine receptors getting bored of the usual pace of combat.
With the addition of Silvery Barbs& Gift of Alicracy, races like Harengon (rabbit people) and Chronoturgy Wizard, everything seems to be turning into Caster Rocket-Tag where whoever has a caster go first in combat wins.
Personally I love it.

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>>23827645
Let it go, deadbeat.

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>>23934326
>burnt out dopamine receptors
Why do people keep repeating this nonsense? Yes, if you repeat an action 9000 times it will become less enjoyable, but that's a natural process of getting bored, not your dopamine receptors "burning out". Getting high on cocaine 24/7 will affect your brain in negative ways, but playing D&D is not comparable.