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Holy FUCK. Did nobody with any musical talent listen to this a single time? I can't find a single thing this cover did right. Maybe Mel on the first verse was... okay?

Mori sounds SO out of place and TERRIBLE during the prechorus/chorus that I unironically threw off my headphones in disgust. And I don't typically hate Mori, but jesus fucking christ my ears.

I've been listening to this song since it came out. A long time favorite of mine. In the original, Gumi's aggressive, yet cute voice is one of the most captivating things I'd heard in vocaloid in a while. Typically when people try to make vocaloids sound sexual it comes off forced or relies on explicit words to get a rise off of someone, but the raw energy given off by Gumi is so undeniably attractive.

Mori could not have been less attractive. Kanata and Mel both dropped the ball on the chorus, but they weren't as outright TERRIBLE.

On top of all this, did anyone mix the vocals? You do know you can use compression, right? And layer vocals to get a full sound, right? What about reverb? YOU DO KNOW YOU CAN MAKE THE VOCALS SOUND GOOD, RIGHT? Plus, who forgot the autotune on Mori?

And as if, to finally drop the straw to break the camel's back... they censored the lyrics on the chorus.

Sorry, but if you're too scared to write "kock out" on your video then go back.

>> No.23632690

They've really been pushing mori recently, but she doesn't blend with the cutest JP girls at all.

>> No.23632827
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>> No.23632833

>>23632690
I don't know what they were thinking. Did they not test her vocal range a single time before considering whether she could sing this song or not?

I think I've decided that the only positive takeaway from this cover was that the art of the girls is pretty alright.

>> No.23632865

>>23632417
Mori ruins every collab even fucking music related ones ironic given her "record deal"

>> No.23632873

Why these three? My rrat is that this was the project of some manager and he roped together whomever agreed to collaborate.

>> No.23632960

>>23632873
>luvoRRATorrrrry

>> No.23633012

>>23632873
they h-have project managers?

>> No.23633085

>>23632827
>redditor faced with reading more than a "tl;dr"

>> No.23633112

It was definitely a weird three to put together. I didn't even know Mori knew who Kanata was.

>> No.23633356

>>23632873
Kson told Kanata to work with Ens more that it would be good for her channel growth, Mel needs the exposure from two bigger channels and Mori is still doing damage control from her melt down

>> No.23633443

>>23633356
And who organized it?

>> No.23633496

>>23632417
Mori made me hate Suisei
Coco and Mori made me hate the whole HoloJP Gen 4th
Kiara and Mori made me hate Holomyth
Mori and Ollie made me hate Rushia and HoloID
Kiara made me hate Pekora
Pekora never disappointed me, love or hate her lol
HoloEN and HoloID made me hate HoloJP
I hate Mori music and blame all their shame through her action

>> No.23633562

>>23633356
>Mori is still doing damage control from her melt down
Considering she announced this like...a day before the release it seems this was rushed af.
Mori stopped doing damage control the moment she got signed with Universal.

>> No.23633563

>>23633443
me

>> No.23633652

>>23633496
Lol, you are a hater, fuck off Hololive
. Nijisanji is down the corridor

>> No.23633733

>>23633652
I never mention Nijisanji
Are u Nijisanji and Hololive Hater?
Don’t drag me with u retardfag

>> No.23633824

>>23633562
No shes still doing damage control notice how hard shes pushing for collabs with JPs remember the awful one with Ina because she needed a fucking translator and then all the Lui collabs because shes the most English fluent JP also any time there is a Myth collab its a "WITH MY FRIENDS" she hates it but without hololive she wouldnt have a record deal I wonder how many fucking strings they had to pull for that or what they had to promise lmao

>> No.23633962

>>23633356
forgive me for being a retardchama but what meltdown did she have? I've spent a lot of time trying to avoid mori I'm sure you could understand, but now I'm intrigued

>> No.23634030

I wish theres a filter option in YT so i can stop getting random mori trash while listening to holosongs

>> No.23634618

>>23632417
Best part is Kanata oppai buff
i want to fuck this Pretty Petite Tenshi

>> No.23634652

>>23633824
How the fuck did you find the brainpower to use quotation marks while ignoring every other piece of punctuation?

>> No.23634700

>>23634030
Block the channel.

>> No.23634816

>>23633962
I’m assuming he’s still referring to when she replied to a picture of her getting fucked over crying deadbeats, and tried to explain it away by saying she was high on drugs. Then when she realised what she had said she back pedalled and tried to claim she didn’t know lean was a drug, despite also trying to act like she’s into all that rap shit. It was hilarious to watch. I don’t know if there’s been a meltdown since that.

>> No.23634916

>>23633962
She had several on January.

>> No.23634940

>>23633962
Someone sent a super chat "Condom Money for Connor" which spiraled out into her saying she was hitting the "lean" on Twitter which she tried to quickly correct as her drinking too much instead of abusing cough syrup. Later she liked and retweeted some cuck art and left a sarcastic comment about it not only on Twitter but also reddit. This all built up to her getting publicly put on wrangler patrol so the only supas she could read where pre-approved by her manager also a bunch of other shit came to light it was a real shit show and ever sense she's been on her bestest girl behavior.

>> No.23635009

>>23634652
Its my super power. Like meme vision I have selective punctuation power!

>> No.23635033

>>23634940
>bestest girl behavior
for Mori, which means taking a steaming shit on any collab she’s involved with

>> No.23635045

>>23634940
>she refers to Hololive as a fine dining restaurant
Imagine being so bad at basic pr and streaming that was you think Hololive is some super hard job kek

>> No.23635160

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsGEKL0OsHU
KanaMel, hold the Mori

>> No.23635751

>>23632417
To be fair to Mori I think it was a mistake to give Mori the broken english lines like "love me love me love me do, give me give me give me hug" because it sounds freaking weird hearing a native english speaker talk like that.

>> No.23636295

>>23632417
Mori somehow destroyed the Kanata and Mel duo, as usual.

>> No.23636626

>>23632417
Would have been decent without Mori.

>> No.23636820

>>23635033
Yeah pretty much. I would honestly hate Mori less if she just kept in her fucking lane and didnt drag other Holos down by ruining collabs

>> No.23636952

>>23636626
Yeah, I agree. The cover went from "meh, it's fine" to "this physically hurts me to listen to."

>> No.23637165

>>23632690
Basically every JP girl sees that anything she’s involved with musically gets big numbers so they want to do a cover with her. Even though this cover was really bad, it’s still going to hit 1m eventually.

>> No.23637335

>>23637165
The comments saying "so good!" and other lies is the most revolting part of it all for me. I can't tell if they're just too scared to be anything but a yesman or if they're actually retarded enough to think it's good.

>> No.23637600

>>23637335
Considering that voicing any complaints about Mori gets her rabid cuckbeats tripping over themselves to throw any "insult" they can come up with at you, most people probably just pretend everything is fine to avoid triggering a spergout

>> No.23637788

Reminds me of Ollie's Kyouran Hey Kids cover, which was just bad.

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23638708

>>23634700
>

>> No.23639156

>>23638708
Why does Mori even have to ruin Suisei songs :(

>> No.23639290

>Another Mori-anti thread in disguise
Have to get more clever with your anti threads to trip up the jannies huh faggots

>> No.23639616

>>23639290
Try reading the OP

>> No.23639658 [DELETED] 

>>23632833
They don’t care what she sounds like, just like they don’t care what she dances like, they care about how slapping her face on stuff prints money.

>> No.23641871

>>23639658
Without the amount of retards in that chat saying it's a good cover, I can't blame them.

>> No.23641938

>>23637788
Literally how did she put the falsetto in the wrong part of the chorus. How. That's literally the most important and recognizable part of the song.

>> No.23642245

>>23632417
Kanata mixed it, broken angel with failed music career please understand.

>> No.23643235

>>23632417
Mel looks especially cute in this pic.

>>23633112
Probably knew her as "Coco's little sidekick".

>> No.23643286

>>23643235
Kanata looks amazing in the art ngl

>> No.23643373

>>23632417
>Did nobody with any musical talent listen to this a single time?
Well neither Mori or Mel have any musical talent and Kanata is almost deaf, so yes.

>> No.23643432

>>23643373
Is that an exaggeration or is she actually hard of hearing?

>> No.23643654

>>23639156
To kill idol culture or whatever her retardation is this week.

>> No.23643859

>>23633356
>Kson told Kanata to work with Ens more that it would be good for her channel growth
You mean Mel, the girl barely anyone cares about in /hlgg/ despite having collabed with everyone in Myth several times?

>> No.23644057

>>23634030
I literally can't see this cover if I go to Mel's channel because Mori's garbage is automatically filtered and blocked so to me it just looks like Mel has less videos recently. It's frankly the most refreshing thing I ever did, made youtube actually usable.

>> No.23645065
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>kill idol culture in hololive
>gachis leave with their money and just double their spending on idolmasters and uma musume
>cover dies

>> No.23645080

>>23643432
She has a degenerative and incurable disease that is slowly destroying her hearing. Shes mostly deaf in one ear and possibly going deaf in the other.

>> No.23645251

>>23643373
>>23645080
I once saw an image of Kanata as Beethoven. Anybody have that?

>> No.23645784
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>>23639290
Nah. This one is legit. I agree with OP, Mori did ruin it because she added English rap to it when she could've utilized Japanese, or could've used engrishu. Ignore the antis and you'll have a decent discussion. The problem with Mori (and most people who collab with Mori) is they don't realize she has a distinctive voice and you DON'T need to rap every time to mark it as a "mori" song. As for the mixing, it's too clean and makes the individual voices stand out too much instead of intertwining. I think you can fix the song with;
>Better mixing
>Use engrish for the engrish parts
>Keep using English on her english solo parts
>Ennunciate less when she's singing (This is difficult to unlearn because she thinks being able to speak every word clearly in an eminem song is the bar for skill but doesn't translate when it comes to conventional singing)
More overlapping tracks
https://youtu.be/p-o_bMkzOW0
https://youtu.be/wVsacQZTmiI
It's still a serviceable song, but Mori's part does take me back because they don't flow right into her and feels like it's been cut in.

>> No.23645928
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23645928

>>23639290
>Any form of criticism should get deleted by our pocket Jannie
Do cuckbeats really?

>> No.23646034

>>23645928
What you just posted isn't criticism though.

>> No.23646038

>>23642245
Should let people who are half deaf mix music honestly.

>> No.23646094

>>23645784
I don’t like Mori, and most of her music I’ve heard is ruined by her shitty rap. That Beat Eater cover with Reine and Suisei where she just sings normally though? I liked that, even enjoyed Mori’s parts. Why she insists on the shitty rap I have no idea after listening to it.

>> No.23646297

>>23646094
I don't think we can ever have a decent discussion over rap because people assume rap=niggers and do not realize Mori's major source of inspiration is j-rap. And it gets muddier since she's trying to do j-rap in ENGLISH. Being this hybrid it's going to go against people with very specific ideas of the genre.

But yes, her cover with Reine and Suisei was great and I thank Reine for having confidence in Mori's singing. I doubt Mori's singing will compete with the actual heavy hitters in Hololive and outside of it, but she has a distinctive voice and that's worth cultivating even at an older age. I also think while it's cute that she tries to hit higher notes, I don't think she's ready for that yet. For example, Unalive is better sung by literally anyone else in Hololive. In fact, I want other holos to sing that song to see its full potential. It doesn't have that many rap parts so it's definitely within the capabilities of others.

>> No.23646366

>>23646297
>Unalive is better sung by literally anyone else in Hololive
Are you sure about that statement?

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>>23645251
>>23645080
She's talked extensively about deciding to not give up on music, her doctor's recommendations, her commitment to preserving her hearing and voice in the long term.
Make no mistake Kanata will persevere.

>> No.23646417

>>23643373
kek

>> No.23646451

>>23646366
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSC3BheJuhU
https://youtu.be/57ytHNCSTNY
Yes. Absolutely sure. It even has a JP version if you want to sing it in Japanese. One of the reasons no one sings her song other than Live Again is because most vtubers trip up their tongues over the rap parts. Not that I'm knocking on her version of Unalive either, but I'm certain she'll sing it better in maybe a year. if she keeps up her vocal training.

>> No.23646479

>>23646366
>>23646451
Shit I didn't realize that you're making fun of my hyperbole, but you know what I meant.

>> No.23646637

>>23632417
They thought that the song is too dated and needs a remix. Enter Mori

>> No.23646717

>>23646297
I probably shouldn’t just label it shitty rap. The problem is I don’t listen to Mori, so I only hear her on collabs with others, and her rap has almost always ruined the songs because it just doesn’t fit there. The only exception I can think of being with Boogey Voxx, but of course it doesn’t sound out of place there for obvious reasons. Shit like that King cover though with Gura? Just bad, their original song wasn’t bad but just completely forgettable. Same with Wicked and Capsule, I couldn’t tell you a thing about either of them that isn’t just commenting about Suisei’s sex outfit for the Capsuke art now.

>> No.23647084

>>23646034
It's criticism against mori meant to grind an axe, and could be wrong or just flat out retarded.
It's still criticism.

>> No.23647086

>>23646637
Never let Mori touch anything with her weird cringe rap. Even if the rap wasn't good, the fact she couldn't even do her part of the original song correctly... Like come on.

>> No.23647087

>>23646717
Oh, that king cover was a shitpost. The rap bridge she made was a reference to the slam junk remix lmao. I still liked it because she added lyrics to the empty sections, now my brain expects "DEATH EMPRESS RULER OF THE SEA" every time I hear King.
https://youtu.be/NYXDUGMOEo

I think I get what you mean. I think it's the way she enunciates the words that contrast too much with the Japanese sections of the songs she's in. It's less of an issue in her solo songs, but with others especially the ones with higher pitches like most JP talents, it gets really obvious. You mentioning only listening to her in collab songs finally made me understand how people their opinion on her music, so that was enlightening. I do think she needs to learn how to mesh more with others in songs if she plans to continue doing collabs, and I don't think she'll stop.

>> No.23647115

>>23647084
I'm talking about that image.

>> No.23647202

>>23647087
When she collabs with other people it's literally "this all goes so well together! oh, wait, there's Mori, singing completely wrong and mixed so badly that she sounds like she's on a different stage entirely! awesome!" just a giant slap in the face to the good time you were having

>> No.23647220

>>23632417
>Mori is the cancer that is killing hololive
>a burger is the reason shit sucks
Who would have thought?.png Explain to me once again why the amerimutt that admits to taking drugs gets promoted like this, but the girl that committed the very small mistake of not hiding his bf had to be terminated?

>> No.23647243

>>23647115
Oh yeah I agree, but he's not trying to criticize you, just outright insult you

>> No.23647275

>>23647243
I didn't make that post so that doesn't apply to me.

>> No.23647456

>>23646034
>>23647084
>>23647115
>>23647243
>>23647275
Worst exchange in this entire thread.

>> No.23647591

>>23632690
>They've really been pushing mori
who's they? these covers are released on the channel of the person who asked for it and paid for it. Mori is there because another holo asked for her.

>> No.23647772

>>23632417
Lets be real OP
Cover dont care, they rather pump quantity than quality.

>> No.23648101

I hate mori so much.
I don't even like hololive I just like listening to covers and this shit is constantly autoplayed.

She's so fucking trash I hate this bitch.

Also
>She's signed to Universal
Holofags stop thinking this is a big deal. Hundreds of vtubers are signed to universal, they take everyone.

>> No.23648947

Hate the cover as much as you want, but try to leave your delusions at the door when it comes to the production.

No outside force pushed for this to happen. This is something that Mel will have led on and invited Kanata and Mori, who accepted. Simple as. Cover are way too passive and detached to have as much as suggested this.

Feel free to suggest that they wanted to involve Mori for more viral reasons, but you don't know enough about Mel or Kanata if you're even remotely surprised that either of them really wanted to collaborate with Mori and other EN members.

A lesser reported point that is more reasonable to be unaware of is that this was recorded close to a year ago, stuck in some sort of production hell that has unsurprisingly not been further detailed but is likely in part to do with how badly life has been treating Kanata these last bunch of months. Amongst other things, this is Mori before vocal lessons started and it clear shows in the song, is why Mori had little to no idea about when it was finally going to be released, and it has no connection whatsoever with the Lean Arc or even the Enthusiasm Arc. That should have already been clear given how long it takes for them to release a song at the best of times, though.

>> No.23649098

>>23648947
>cover would never push for or highly suggest certain collabs for promotion
Dyrbi

>> No.23649263

>>23637600
Too late
>>23639290
Funny how easy it is to read these types

>> No.23649397

>>23632417
I only know this song for the mmd videos

>> No.23649427

>>23648947
Ahhh. That's why this specifically sounds like Old Mori, and why it feels like a million steps back from her more recent duos and group covers

>> No.23650898

>>23632417
Here i was, reading this thread, expecting it to be just an exaggeration as usual, its one of my favorite vocaloid songs so this would be super hype since i really enjoy these 3. and then it gets to 1:02.. and my heart sank. What did they do to my song.. they completely altered and butchered it. then it went back to normal at 1:17, phew maybe its just one of those one off things for theming purposes. And then another alteration happens at 2:33. The song isn't bad, they did a great job covering it even if mori seems slightly out of place (tho probably the best choice for nqrse's parts) but why did they have to change the song's lyrics? I thought cover's were supposed to stay faithful to the original atleast in the lyrics right?

>> No.23651142

>>23633356
>Mel needs the exposure
She gets plenty of exposure doing other shit.

>> No.23651526

No offense to Kanata, but I prefered if this was a Mel/Mori electro swing collab since both of them are fake type fans.

>> No.23651580

>>23651526
No offense to Mori, but I would prefer if she just fucked off and never collabed with the JP girls again.

>> No.23651667

>>23633496
Sooooo.... Its Moei fault?

>> No.23651786

>>23651142
My dick thanks her for that exposure.

>> No.23652182

>>23651580
With reaction like that she is gonna do them even more.

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