Himono has spoken

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Now stop asking why indie vtubers have better rigging than company vtubers
https://twitter.com/himono_vtuber/status/1521026346553516032
Use DeepL if you want a better translation.

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Who asked?

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congrats or sorry that happened

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>>23529812
Every few days someone on /vt/ complains that hololive has shit rigging compared to indie vtubers

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>>23529755
I'm still gonna complain about it

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>>23529755
Hololive is MULTI MILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY.
They could pay for anything and the best model ever thousands of times over, specially given outfits happen every several months.

IMO they don't because they bound by contract to shit riggers and they won't end their contracts out of fear of looking like assholes and kicking out people who have been with them for years

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>>23529755
cool

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I'd believe it more if Kson's model looked better than her old company one.

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as we all know live2d is magical and the only art that can't exist with deadlines. it can't be helped

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>>23529999
Retard. Riggers are invisible nobodies who only become relevant when people want something to complain about. They're not individuals that the fans are actually attached to, and the strongest response to news of them being replaced would be an apathetic "Who?" or an "Oh, that guy.".

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>>23530076
If you actually think coco has better rigging than kson you are an honest to god, full fledged retard

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>>23529880
That's just cope from indies and literal whos, live2D models will never matter more than the stream itself. Doesn't matter if you can do 100 emotes, if your stream is boring.

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>>23529999
Money is not the bottleneck, time is.

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>>23529755
who did she rig?

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Seriously though, how hard is to rig a model, what exactly do they have to do?
>>23530137
Everyone likes Rariemon

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>>23530202
kson

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Keep in mind that both Cover and Anycolor use in-house apps made back in 2017/2018, hence jerky tracking and animations. Almost all new vtuber companies and indies use newer Live2D apps like VTubeStudio.

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>>23530335
Yeah their own tracking apps have their own specifications too.

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>>23529755
>company asks you to do something with a deadline and to uphold a quality since they are paying you
>asks you to be available in the future if they decide to contact you for work on alternate costumes or updates
>wtf why can't I scam companies into delaying their order like I can with indies
ask nijien's Obsydia how cool it is that their costumes got delayed indefinitely thanks to a single person not answering requests for months
I know Anyakra has inhouse riggers, but they still need the artists

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>>23530202
risu

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>>23529755
Fails to bring up the shitty propietary software that is surely also a factor.

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>>23530335
Yeah, they were pretty cool back then, but they have definitely fallen behind VTubeStudio and others.
I can somewhat understand it initially, because both companies wanted to use VTubers to promote and sell their respective apps, but they have a completely different business model now.

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>>23530335
I've never looked at the open source ones, but I swear there's some default preset so many chuubas have. I feel like riggers for indies are just fucking them over. It has this weird shoulder lean thing when the avatar's head gets closer to the camera. I see the same rigging everywhere.

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>>23530202
kson, Risu and a bunch of others. The really impressive part are some of her demos, with stuff like hand rigging, 360° rotation, etc. If she has the time she puts in a lot of animation and physics details.

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>>23530284
Love the dude, every time a new Holo post their little twitter videos and it looks junky, everyone here goes "oh shit, she got the Gura rigger" but then when it's revealed it's Rariemon, everyone goes back to "Oh, it's no big deal!"

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>>23530202
Risu 1.0 aka sovl rig

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>>23530202
She put English-translated tutorials for you EOP if you are interested in learning Live2D rigging.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8g5_Cua_Q8dkrbRl4uDEkQ

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>>23530284
rariemon is an exception, riggers are literal whos compared to illustrators

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>>23530731
VTube Studio isn't open source though. Live2D's license makes it impossible to make free or open source software with it. Yes, the source code is *available* to 3rd party developers, but the licensing is typical Japanese corporate legalese. Look at it funny, and you gotta pay for an additional developer license.
For actual free and open source vtuber software you can check Inochi2D and OpenSeeFace-GD.

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>>23530137
Moron

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>>23529755
It's literally just the Cheap / Fast / Good (choose 2) thing.

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>>23530137

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>>23529755
One of the thing that I'm certain is that the riggers always ask for a super high price if companies like Cover is approaching them.
Some Hololive talents like Risu have said it themselves that it's hard for them to find a cheap artist/mixer/composer because the price will always be inflated so much more than the normal price if they're from Hololive.
So the company will find the rigger who wants to do rigging for them within an acceptable price range, which could risk a bad rigging.

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>>23537015
>millionaires expecting people to work for free
shocking news anon

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I mean that's a pretty obvious reason, Indies keep going "look how amazing my model is in comparison to Holos/nijis" because they want people to stop watching corpos, they literally think that they can buy an audience with a good rigging

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>>23538976
You kinda can
Bao, Girl DM, Vshojo, ShyLily, Code Miko, etc etc.
A lot of these people don't really have a ton going for them, they have content that's extremely similar to each other and it's not like many people watch them for gameplay since half of them don't even stream games 9/10 times.
People tune in and go
>wow that rigging is fun, it's good!
And then they end up staying. Whether they even necessarily know it or not, almost every single vtuber who's non corpo and has made it big had a good model with good rigging right off the bat

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>>23537059
>ID
>millionaires

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>>23539738
Someone donates 5 dollars to them they instantly become millionaires in indo money lol

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>>23529755
So basically like any contracted job.

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>>23529755
You get what you pay for and holos dont pay worth shit simple as

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>>23530284
who?

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>>23530731
It’s a disgusting feature enabled by default, but you can turn it off. Shitters either leave it on because they can’t even tell what’s happening or they actually think it looks good.

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>>23539642
I can agree with you on Code Miko because what she had was admittedly crazy.
But Bao, Vshojo, and ShyLily were able to pop off because most of their content/ whatever got clipped and posted on YouTube to rack in thousands of views sometimes +100k, mostly boiled down to "UOHHH I'm so horny, look at my horny."
They managed to capitalise on the horniest groups of people that liked Vtubers.

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>>23539781
They are not hiring seaniggers to do the work.

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tldr: Why work for corpo when you can easily scam indies

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>>23530913
I miss the smugness.

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>>23530284
Rariemon is /uoh/fag so he is based

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>>23537015
Source for this ?

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>>23529755
not an excuse when hololive and nijisanji make billions of dollars a month

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Holo is hollow
and
Niji is best,
No new news here

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>>23530284
Rariemon himself is fine, but Cover puts way too much on his plate, leading quality to suffer. Mumei has the Anya mask problem on her base model, and IRyS, Fauna, and Lui have their share of rigging problems too.

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>>23540173
Nigga rigger dont grow on tree

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>>23529999
You dont get rich by willing to "pay for anything"

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>>23536327
Black Elira

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>>23540025
I mean yeah but their models definitely helped them to get views. Like even nyanners first model which most people would argue was the worst rigged out of the bunch, was still leagues better than what Holo/Niji had to offer.
So combine coomerbait with decent to good rigging and it makes people tune in. I don't think that coomerbait without a decent model and rig works

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>>23540173
Corpo or indie, everyone will pay the minimum amount they can get away with. The disparity is that corps can get away with a lower standard before they start bleeding subs.

If an indie has the same low quality that holo or niji often do (and quite a few of them do), they just bleed out and die, and no one notices because 2views are easily replaced.

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>>23529880
What do they think about Nijisanji if they complain about Hololive? Because holy shit, how come Nijisanji was the one that came up with Live2D only to be at the very low end of quality

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>>23530335
Looking into VtubeStufio and I can understand why Anycolor and Cover would rather keep their own app.
For corpos they charge a subscription model and they control the terms of agreement. They require you to spend an undetermined amount of money to “opt out” of their clause which allows them to freely use your talents for their advertising. That’s a shit ton of free money in advertising if you’re able to use Holos/Nijis image however you want.

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>>23537059
>hey i make models for 1000 dollars, but just because its you ill make it 10 000 dollars

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>>23540750
I wanna give it a try but..
Do they able to use non-corpos avatar for ads too?

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>>23540809
Judging by how Ame can just commission disposable asset i'm gonna said Risu is retard

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>>23540880
Ame hires her own fans who most are willing to work for free but she pays them anyways. Kiara does the same thing, she hires within her community.

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>>23540880
Ame isn't getting paid in rupiah

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>>23529755
>corps are kikes who practice austerity even though they rake in massive profits
who knew

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>>23540161
I watched it in a stream, and I forget which. I don't know if there's a clip about that, nor do I know how to search for it. But I'm 100% certain that she said that, it's one of the area15 collab.

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>>23530731
I'm curious, whats an example of this shoulder lean

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>>23530284
>Seriously though, how hard is to rig a model, what exactly do they have to do?
There are tons of resources floating, some riggers even do their work on stream.
I admit I have a cursory interest because I'm unemployed have nothing better to do but I've yet to watch any.
I'm curious whether it requires an understanding of graphic design (especially 3D design), or the ability to draw (so you can touch up assets provided by the illustrator), or if if you can get by with just autistic levels of fine tuning that requires no knowledge or prior experience outside of the industry or tool you're using.
In short, do your reps.

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>>23540880
Nah, mostly Indonesian has the opportunist mentality. You will pay 10x compared to local tourist if you are tourist from abroad, or in holiday season like this week. If they know you can pay more they will ask you to pay more.

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>>23545132
Isn't that true of every tourist hotspot?

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Why is Gura's rigger so awful? Who did they fuck in Cover Corp to get the job? Clearly it must be nepotism.

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>>23540750
First tkme hearing about the opt-out fee. I only knew about the DLC for removing the "watermark".
That's the general problem with Live2D. Wanna use it for more than hobby/niche stuff? Pay up, buddy. Not saying Denchi isn't trying to turn a profit with VTS, just that Live2D Ltd expects him to pay for playing with their toys.
Would be nice to have a FOSS implementation of the L2D tech, but the JP corpo doesn't like the idea of filthy gaijin reverse engineering their main source of profit.

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>>23540376
well it's either that or hire little miss rhombus rigger again and we all know how that ended up

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>>23540301
niji's rigging is even worse, what the fuck are you talking about

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rigging doesn't hide a shit personality. Sorry, bros. Doesn't matter how good it is if you suck as a person.

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>>23529999
and this is why I'm thankful every day that the retards who post here aren't cover employees

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>>23530159
Pretty much. Been seeing way too many 2views and other random indies whose tarted up models are completely wasted on their boring null "content".

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And before people mention it - yes, vtubers generally can ask someone else to do a model for them, it has happened multiple times before.
A lot of the time it has mainly been for jokes, but in some instances it has been entirely new designs that replace a previous one, or are used alongside others from another artist.
Yes, even in Nijisanji and Hololive, it already has happened before for both companies.
Time is money.

But equally there's also the fact that some companies require models made for older software, modern vtubing systems are vastly superior to older systems, a night and fucking day difference.
Modern L2D can track entire limbs whereas before it was pre-made animations at the press of a button.
In the case of Anycolor and Cover, both made their own in-house systems that work with older specs so none of the riggers can really use the better features in modern software, which fucking sucks because it would prevent Rhombus and face-mask tier rigging that some of them had have over the years, new systems skew the L2D art damn near perfectly these days.

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>>23558488
Maybe one day the corpos will finally update their ancient apps. One day...

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>>23558695
Last time they tried that, Gura spent two days as a PNGtuber. I’m horrified to think of how disruptive full modernization would be.