Graduating gains

[Anonymous No.]

>Coco gets out of hololive
>gets 1M people in no time
>can do fleshstreams and anything the fuck she wants, she is banking while having fun instead of following the cover script and guidelines and also cover don't steal her dosh gains anymore
>rushia gets nuked out of hololive
>500k subs in 2 days (now 800k)
>can do fleshstreams and anything the fuck she wants, she is banking while having fun instead of following the cover script and guidelines and also cover don't steal her dosh gains anymore (that tripled due pity paypigs and cucks)

Is graduation the true endgame?
What the fuck is the chaama waiting for to graduate and be as wild as she wants or the other ones to mix their avatars with their tits ASMR roommates?

[Anonymous No.]

WHERES YOUR HOLOFES AND MERCH GAME MIKENEKO?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Of course. Going solo also means cover won't secure 30% or more of their bag. No longer being tied down working for a shit company with strict guidelines must be a godsend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>Is graduation the true endgame?
It always was. Why would you keep giving cover part of your income when you don't need to do that anymore?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
They all need to go indie, no need to stay in a corporation once you're famous enough.

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>>23405671
Kson can pull the flesh with enough makeup but rushia hit the wall hard 6 or 7 years ago, delusional hag and fans
That said, she seems 10 times happier now that she don't need to pretend or play a character even when I don't like her
If we live to see c* graduated gigantic tits on live stream I would die happy

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>>23405671
Yes actually, It will also help the company keep taking in new talent too, it's a self sufficient system though oversaturation may happen if it happens too frequently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>People thought the dream was entering hololive
>Actual dream is graduating hololive

[Anonymous No.]

y-yeah
h-haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
her fault for not getting a model already

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
When will my oshi leave Holoshit? Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
She didnt gain enough traction to be big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406049
Who's your Oshi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405924
>new talent
But the "new" girls are girls who were already popular for something, company too big to try new people anymore

[Anonymous No.]

extremely shortsighted and retarded, just like your fucking oshi fancuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406148
go back to your containment thread cheng

[Anonymous No.]

Depends on the kind of chuuba and the activities they partake in.
You'll notice that Rushia never once sang her first original song, Iris, even in karaoke streams. Seemed like she didn't even like it. Coco's song was fan made, and even her most standout content was presented in regular streams.
I'm sure Marine would be thrilled with the idea of never being able to perform her Tanaka Kouhei song again that cost her a gazillion bucks so that she can collect a bigger share of the superchats she would just spend on MVs and never cared about anyway.
You're talking about the top 2 superchat earners who also had regular streams as their most noteworthy content. I can only see this working for the majority of them if they all get together to start something similar, any of the ones invested in the idol stuff wouldn't gain that much from it. It's still a great choice if they find themselves out of a job, however, that much is very true.

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>>23405671
Like any drama the initial hit gives you a big boost, but eventually it sinks to indie levels at the high or low end depending on your previous popularity. You also lose access to all the events and built in friendship groups that are useful for long term growth.

It is viable, most will end up doing it in the end. But if you have bigger aims than just a streamer or want the biggest numbers available then it isn't the right path.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Graduation used to be the endgame.
Get in - have some fun - maybe make connections - because you were not making any money - leave and do stuff as an adult.

Now, Nijisanji and Hololive got big enough that you can make it a 5 year+ career plan even in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406168
don't you have some condoms to buy for your oshis boyfriend

[Anonymous No.]

>mikeneko graduates
>gain mafumafu's dick
worth it

[Anonymous No.]

>OP insults both Hololive and Nekofami
>somehow Nekofami are responsible for this thread
At this point why do I even bother trying to behave and not shit up this board when I've been on my best behavior for 2 months but I still get blamed for shit I've never done?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>Is graduation the true endgame?
It unironically is. I don't know about Holofags but I care about the girls more than the company, actually I don't give a fuck about the company at all, and I think that is supposed to be common sense in this kind of thing.

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>>23405671
>Lose all the money you could gain from merchandise and sponsorship.
Reality is money wise it's better to stay. Merch and sponsorship generate more money that your SC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406327
>I care about the girls more
>That's why I want them to lose access to all of the things they enjoy doing the most and all of the career and job opportunities that give them more money than superchat just so that they can suck up to me full time for a bigger cut of supa money
This is you. The "girls before company" fags seem incapable of understanding this, for some reason. Are you all underage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406168
go back to your containment thread cuckfami, you faggots spamming the board with threads about her won't make more people watch her

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406459
>Are you all underage?
They're probably just retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>whole thread is leftover women saying the exact same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406327
Based.
I don't get the fags who worship the company instead of the streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406327
This. Everyone needs to stop caring about companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406459
>lose access to all of the things they enjoy doing the most
Are you literally retarded?
Every single hololive girl is a corporative puppet, that is why kson got the fuck out even when chinks calmed down

[Anonymous No.]

I started watching Lulu after she left Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Hasn't it been proven, multiple times, that merch was always ALWAYS the bigger gain than SC's?
Sure, neither of them have to give their money to Cover from SC's anymore but all the money gained from merch is gone now.

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>>23405671
Except for the part where Coco is at like 2k viewership now and is losing relevance by the month despite doing everything she can to network with literally everyone not corpo.

Rushia is shifting suddenly towards kaigainikki because suddenly they're a large chunk of the audience now that a lot of JPs left, must have gone from like 2% to 20% instantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407162
>chinks calmed down
fahnny joak

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>>23405671
The ones that just do regular stream activities probably have the most to potentially gain from going indie.

But some of them want to have musical careers and whatnot, or be able to perform big lives in cool locations or whatever. Being with a company is probably more helpful in this regard. Going indie would make all of this a lot harder.

[Anonymous No.]

...Except Rushia didn't actually graduate. She was terminated due to her acting completely retarded. Her and Coco's situations were like the complete opposite. One did something incredibly dumb while the other one was essentially innocent.

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>>23407315
you know that indies can make their own merch? and Kson has/had merch, notable l2d Debut limited goods.
https://ksononair.booth.pm
also, after graduation she had more sponsored streams in 4 months of her indie career than her whole hololive one.
And you wonder why she graduated.

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>>23406148
There are pros and cons to it.
>Don't have to keep up a certain company image because you only represent yourself
>You have more flexibility with payment methods
>You don't rely on management to okay something for you or do something for you
>You can choose to collab with who you want to or not collab at all at whatever frequency you want to
>Doesn't have to worry about when she streams because there is no one to stream over now
Obviously it'll be harder to get more complex merchandise, concerts aren't in reach, and of course being part of a corpo you have some sort of support system with others boosting you if you fall behind. All she has to do is stream and she may last for a good while. As long as she doesn't squander her money

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>>23405671
>Coco subscribers: 1,440,000
>Kson subs: 1,170,000

>Rushia subs: 1,570,000
>Mikeneko subs: 818,000

Graduating ""gains"", my ass. Call me whenever they beat their former hololive numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407486
But Rushia's fans can excuse her actions by saying that Cover was a black company and that they mistreated her. In fact, this can make saviorfags even more dedicated to her

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406186
What bigger aims?
Pretty much all holos have streaming as the end goal, not like you can use vtubing to jump to politics or anything similiar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407576
>Cover was a black company
It legit is one

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407558
>subs
Lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407601
>Ayame
>Aqua
>Sana
>Kronii
>Mori
bery guudo yoke

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407635
no argument. zzzzz

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407576
Cover IS a black company

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407245
Wait, lulu went indie?
What is her channel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407787
she went 3dp streamer route, are you still interested?

[Anonymous No.]

I have trouble watching Lulu now, her voice just doesn't sound like something that should belong to a real person. It's a silly reason but it's so weird to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407808
is she hot irl?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407576
Cover was well within their right to fire her.
Cover dealt with her in the way that they did, and they chose to deal with her in the way they did over whatever other possible ways they could have dealt with her. Because of information being (understandably) concealed, we don't know if Cover could have been more generous in how they did it or not.
That isn't a problem for those who think that you shouldn't expect generosity from other people period, but as a matter of fact many people think poorly of people who aren't generous when they have the capability to be.

A rounding error of her fans might think Cover is a black company, but you're misconstruing what most people say they are sad about.
It's not "Was Cover right?", it's "Was Cover nice?"

And yes, I do expect both people and corporations to be nice and look out for others out of good will alone, and also no I don't care about being called a child I refuse to accept callousness and I will throw a philosophical tantrum until the day I die because I know what is right even if literally everybody else alive disagrees and they should all listen to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407877
Yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407860
Unironically make some more interesting friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407877
>>23407917
she is streaming with a man literally right now though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407808
Not him. But i am interested. Please tell me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407601
Watame wants to perform at Budokan, it's probably easier to get to as part of Hololive than cracking at it solo.

Suisei has all her music stuff too. Maybe with her level of hustle it's possible she could do it going indie but eh.

With a company you can kinda just focus on the music stuff instead of all the other rubbish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407315
When talking about the really big ans successful corporate vtubers focusing on money seems kinda pointless.
After graduating they are pretty much assured big indie numbers and income, which is still more than the majority of white collar professionals earn, making 200k a year instead of half a mil isn't exactly bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407957
paste in yt search
みすみのはらわた

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407808
Seeing her assemble puzzles or gunpla is fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407938
I don't have friends, but I'm not sure what that has to do with my post

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407999
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407674
Anon he's saying you're a dipshit for being retarded. No shit they're not going to have as many subs as before but when you compare them to most indies, their growth is insane. Hell Rushia's graduation was a fucking mess and she's still trumping all of council at this point. I'm not even a numberfag but you're fucking stupidity angers me more than anything else, learn to fucking think you idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>Is graduation the true endgame?
Depends on what you're doing it for and what contract you have with Cover.
If you're Gura or Pekora you can say "I want your cut reduced by half or I'm going indie" and they'll probably accept it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>Coco
Kson has 3.2k live viewers right now and her VODs barely climb over 100k. Her most recent ones hover around 40k to 60k. She's doing fine but don't pretend like leaving Hololive buffed her. It didn't.
>rushia
Much like Kson, Mike Cat will do smaller numbers than Rushia did once the dust settles. Unlike Kson however, she's fucking insane and will find some way to ruin everything for herself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>chaama
man, if only you know the (harsh) truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
You dont realise how much they benefit from the Cover network promoting the hell out of their characters, giving them constant events and collaborations.

When you get out of Cover, you lose friends, exposure and money

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407245
Same, funny too i never enjoyed her nijisani content but i watch her all the time now

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407999
>Rushia is shifting suddenly towards kaigainikki because suddenly they're a large chunk of the audience now that a lot of JPs left, must have gone from like 2% to 20% instantly.
They won't last either, saviorfag westerners and whiteknights never do.
She'll be back to orca and the old names to sustain her in no time though that might be enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
she's had paypigs buy her equipment and support her for almost two years after only two streams and an apology stream as a holomem. the fact that she's the breadwinner (taking care of herself and her mother) while also having the money to splurge for as much stuff as she has whether it be that whole entire album thing she dropped the ball with or multiple vacations around Japan (with photos of eating at nice restaurants) shows how successful her graduation RTA was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408508
I heard something about Orca giving supas to the Holo orca. Is he back with Mike Tyson?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
The ex-hololive member schtick is only going to work so many times. Hardcore fans that follow them will slowly trickle out as they inevitably out themselves as whores because they don't have anyone holding their leash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407601
Do you guys really not get that many like the idol and preforming aspect of hololive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407877
Depends on your standards I guess. She's a model IRL so definitely not an uggo at least

[Anonymous No.]

They will eventually miss the holo circle and jobs/performances like the other girls. Kson already going the soulless react streamer route. Some girls don’t want that if not Mel, Pekora Choco and especially Noel wouldn’t still be in Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408209
>Anon he's sayin-
All he said was "Lol". There's nothing more to infer from this.
Stop pretending to to be his mindreader and assuming bullshit over what his Lol ackshually meant.

[Anonymous No.]

I hope that Mikeneko and Delutaya will enter the Kson circle soon.
I want to see how it will go.

[Anonymous No.]

Kson gets like 3k viewers now and uses her "creative freedom" to collab with a literal camwhore on chaturbate, the trash taste guys and connor in MC and nuxtaku

That's what you want?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408409
I don't think chama will be successful as indie, she's already having low numbers from what she used to have before

[Anonymous No.]

>>23410296
Mel RM is making inroads with some pretty prominent VAs of late, still a bit of a road to go but would be interesting to see her doing some work in anime down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23410934

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>>23407552
>As long as she doesn't squander her money
she spent 20k on a purse for her and her gorilla wife past week

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411374
You fucking manchild, that's about average for a good purse. Least she isn't spending thousand or more for a designer purse like my sisters do. Some of you faggots on this board need to get a gf to appreciate how much shit costs outside your manbubbles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408883
>idol and preforming aspect of hololive?
Sucking producer-san cock?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
wait... mikeneko is rushia? i thought this was just some random indie being shilled

[Anonymous No.]

How many more sponsorships has Kson received? That's where the real money is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407808
>she went 3dp streamer route, are you still interested?
Nope
Fleshtubers are worth nothing unless they go full lewd

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411768
pointy elbows/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
I support her to this day, but she had it coming for still not having an L2D model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411845
Does she have elbows?
Are you gay, anon?
Noel bares her chest for you and you look at her elbows?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407860
I 5000% understand
Her voice was perfect for that slightly-disturbing model she had, going flesh is a bit mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>23410768
My deepest apologies anon, I "inferred" that everyone in this thread had at minimum a cerebral cortex and a speck of grey matter, of which you clearly lack one or both of the previously stated organs. Congratulations on somehow solving the CAPTCHA, it must've been really hard.
Anybody with said organs could immediately understand without an ounce of effort, what >>23407635 is trying to convey through text. Your lack of understanding is enough for me to "infer" that you lack previously said organs.
It is unlikely that people that understand things that you don't have telepathic abilities so, going forward, you might want to try to "infer" what they're trying to say.
Though compared to your displayed mental capacity, they might as well be telepathic. Not a bad guess I suppose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408409
>if only you know the (harsh) truth
Enlighten me

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411989
newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>23410934
YES

[Anonymous No.]

>>23410934
The funniest thing about that collab was that Kson somehow came out of it looking more pure than she did coming in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23412636
Mel is too lewd for Kson, it can't be helped

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411733
like 7 i think (intel, 2x world of warships, 2x food promos, nico nico event, plamo nippers)
also the cancelled playism event

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407601
After watching for a long time i have the opposite feel, their musical (or other entertainment) careers are their end goal, streaming is just a very profitable step.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>Is graduation the true endgame?
do you think any of the hologirls can potentially become a holoslut if they eventually graduate and can't or arent popular enough to be independent. Its easy money and attention, this is very common among idols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23414280
There is a lot of hologirls that do slut content on the side already

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407895
Dumb Malaysian

[Anonymous No.]

>Merch once every couple of years and all fairly basic shirts
>3D streams all coming from her pocket and very rarely
>Less invitations to big, actually important, events
>No company paying for OG songs with your friends once in a while when they are pushing extra hard for you
>No solo concerts unless it's all coming from her pocket
>No more marketing ensuring that someone new was always checking you out
>All the headaches that come from being an indie whenever you're planning something bigger than just your regular content
>Essentially no possibility of a major debut
Sure anon... sure... being indie is the dream right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407674
The argument is that subscribers are a retarded and mostly useless number. This is something non-retards know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23414917
Yes

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>>23407162
Do you not understand why most of the girls even joined Hololive to begin with?
If they just wanted to stream they would have all graduated by now

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
She's doing fine, she found her dedicated fanbase and has been busy with plans about songs and some merchs. She gets a decent 1.5k+ viewers every rare public streams and grooms everyone in her discord server (including me).

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407531
Cover initially hired Kson for her industry connections and ability to do backstage work, the idea of making her a VTuber came later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23415587
Is she fleshing or she have a model?
Channel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23417026
>ability to do backstage work
Lewd

[Anonymous No.]

>>23417745

[Anonymous No.]

Nijifags - not about the numbers
Also Nijifags - numbers when it makes sense in tiny brain

[Anonymous No.]

>>23414917
>>Essentially no possibility of a major debut
Mike's debut even got a sticky on this board what the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23417026
This is a misunderstanding, she was always going to be a vtuber. She sent an application video to several vtuber companies at a time, got a positive response from all of them and ended up picking Holo.
The misunderstanding comes from the time she wanted to take the place of gen 4's manager who she said wasn't doing a thing for them. She was told she'd have to stop streaming if she was manager so the idea was dropped.

[Anonymous No.]

The downside of not being in the company is them handling certain things (ha ha, >Cover doing anything, etc.)
They can handle some legal issues, they can get you closer to music deals if you want to go that route.
It isn't a guarantee, of course, but it certainly helps.
You can also get other things, like TV deals, game deals. Much harder to do that alone.
Admittedly once they have estabilished themselves and leave, they can... kinda use that work as a portfolio, but not really in a lot of cases. (especially Rushia, that's a fucking big black mark, she'd be lucky to get hired by any major company again, and struck out of a lot of projects by overly-cautious companies)

Both her and Kson are smart people though, they know the business, they've been at it for a while. They have a lot of that experience, they know people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
If you watch kson you know that her jap fanbase doesn't like her flesh streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>Mer...merchandise
The retars are never going to know how a company works, all the money goes to cover unless the girls pay for the production and distribution of this merchandise (like the songs) with their own money.
Let me guess, you guys think that any sponsorship where holomen's image (you know, the avatar that belongs to the company) is money for your oshi.
You should face that your chubas are just paid employees who at most earn a commission for participation only if they have to interact directly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671

if they haven't had a piece of Mars rock with their name on it, then they haven't made it. Keep dreaming, Anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
Her fault for being so fucking indecisive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23422893
I already forgot why the fuck she got cancelled week one
What happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407877
she's attractive enough without trying very hard
also has crazy eyes which explains a lot about Lulu

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
did you just say Chammers' Tits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23420233
>sticky
>he fell for it
Never went on /tv/ eh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23421824
Anons are not very bright, almost like they never worked in any company whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23421824
Anon you are not very bright, almost like you never worked in any company whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23414917
>No company paying for OG songs with your friends once in a while when they are pushing extra hard for you
Companies don't pay for your song. this is the same for hololive or nijisanji. All the songs that are composed came from their own pockets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23412270
Wow, talk about shitty debate skills. Every sentence in your post boils down to a pointless ad hominem, honestly. Not an actual argument with substance, but just an angry tantrum.
Look. I don't mind personal attacks, but at least back up your insults with actual counterarguments next time.

Insulting someone isn't the same as disproving their argument. And you still haven't explained how a simple "Lol" reply transmogrified into this supposed multiple-layered, deep compelling argument you pulled straight out your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23423707
Anon, you're just retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23423707
lol your mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>23423707
>malding

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Leaving on good terms is the true end game. And despite people saying Cover hates her they actually don't. If they hated her they would've sued her into bankruptcy and an hero, she irrevocably damaged a multimillion dollar brand/intellectual property.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23417647
delutaya

[Anonymous No.]

>>23423622
Anon... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNinCsRhVgU
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDUW9inB8ihzeIG7DNV8vuKele-Onyw0p
None of that came from the talents pockets

[Anonymous No.]

>>23420233
Major debut as in Universal is doing with Mori and partially with Suisei

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406115
Name every holos past identity then

[Anonymous No.]

>>23414280
Easy. Guarantee you there’s a bunch of rich gachis lining up to keep Noel as a trophy wife once she’s done with streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23423707
anon im sorry but you have a severe case of retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407895
>And yes, I do expect both people and corporations to be nice and look out for others out of good will alone, and also no I don't care about being called a child I refuse to accept callousness and I will throw a philosophical tantrum until the day I die because I know what is right even if literally everybody else alive disagrees and they should all listen to me
U ironically based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>no company holding back your content
That really work for coco right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23424411
>milking people for 2 years
>still didn't got a model
Aloe...

[Anonymous No.]

>>23425992
Yeah?
Her gen made hololive peak the fuck out into mainstream and normalfaggotry so cover put the leashes extra tight on the girls, see her first streams and her last ones

[Anonymous No.]

The thing is
Getting fired in japan is career destroying, you end up working as a pleb low tier wagie. Vtubing, in the sense random neet hikkis can support you with their japanese neetbux, is not how the system is 'supposed' to work. It's like that Silicon Valley clip where the guy is "not attached to any project" because his boss likes japanese methods of shame and that not being attached is almost as shameful as being fired for incompetence. Rushia wasn't supposed to morph into a chuuni millionaire catgirl, but she did because vtubing is a breakaway from the old boomer japanese way of doing things where you work for a company for 50 years and then are retired for 30 years and then your family claims you're 113 but the government finds your mummified corpse in your room and it turns out no one bothered to check on you for 10 years. Young Japanese people are tacitly rejecting the system of wageslavery and crap wages with the promise you might eventually get to crap on someone younger and instead just neeting or making web bullshit. And this is the end result- a mentally ill, childless woman can make a million dollars a year living out her fantasy of being a loli catgirl. Based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23427137
Im talking about her actual content ¿how much did it change?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407953
Is that her BF? So lucky.
>ywn build gunpla with your slightly autistic gf

[Anonymous No.]

>>23427328
That just sounds like how the system works everywhere else in the world that isn’t a shithole

[Anonymous No.]

>>23427437
Her brother. She did a stream with him and her sister to see who could build a gunpla the fastest

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
She DOES miss out on the big events and merch sales. She also doesn't get any technical, marketing or logistics support anymore so she's responsible for figuring out literally everything on her own now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23427570
that's cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>23427385
>Im talking about
You should get used to people not understanding what you're saying, since you're typing like an idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23427504
Other countries also have boomer problems. It's just Japan has problems which come with copying Chinese culture without understanding why that exists. Luckily because Japan only copied the culture, rather than wholesale adopting Confucianism as the basis of law, the Japanese are not legally bound to actually do what every old person says. In South Korea the "Asians have to do what their parents say their entire lives" meme is reality, because its law code is based on NeoConfucianism.

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>>23425992
Remains to be seen I guess, she hasn't revealed her plans yet. Cover probably wouldn't have let her interview her tax accountant for example though and that made for an interesting stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407328
KSon is now on Twitch and is doing extremely well. I wouldn't be surprised if she leaves Youtube completely soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>rushia was "huge"
>coco was "huge"
>cover eventually caused both of them to graduate
Everyone associated with the china yab is slowly being purged. FBKing will leave soon too, as will Migo after being arrested for rape (presumably). Haachama will be convinced to 'graduate' for real to get an office job, then she'll flame out and become a smalltime streamer called Red Heart but the magic will be gone because she'll be a depressed 20 something instead of a happy teenager.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
I misread this thread title as "graduating again". What a letdown.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't listen to this faggot >>23428002, he doesn't
know what he's talking about. Every culture goes through period of growth spearheaded by young people taking advantage of the opportunities created by their elders, doesn't matter if it was intentional or not. The wise recognize this as natural cycle of existing, the retarded blame institutions and laws.

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>>23421472
While she said that on TT, no one in the Japanese fanbase knows why she perceives it that way. You couldn't even find much hate for her flesh streams by randos on twitter.
The current theory is, that some antis pretending to be fans have told her that in DMs. She also seems to have realized that, after her depression phase at the beginning of this year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23428099
The 5 chan antis consider Haachama to be a cockroach that they have to live with. She's basically un-killable. (their main target is La--plus atm).

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411647
Where were you last week? Her debut had a sticky here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Coco and Russia were the top earners in Hololive so its understandable that they are making money outside of it. The chama on the other hand is not and probably a graduation would be the end of her career

[Anonymous No.]

>>23428570
Confucian lawcodes existed before your people crawled out of the mud, burger, and they will exist long after greater mexico annexes your country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23428763
I can save her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23428763
Why La+?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408800
Not if they start collabing with each other. If Kson and Rushia start having really funny collabs together, things can change really quickly. Someone like Haachama suffers by no longer having Coco to bounce off of. It really depends on the streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23428763
>their main target is La--plus atm
Wrong, it's Koyori

[Anonymous No.]

>>23428912
This cycle is bigger than written traditions, walk away from this one anon it's out of your league.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429081
>most unyabbable of the holoxes
They are failing horribly then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408800
But being a whore was literally Coco's thing.

[Anonymous No.]

kson and mikeneko are obviously gonna form a new company soon

the question is who else is close enough with them to break contract and graduate just to join them

i would say pekora might actually do it because she's so number fag

cover might sue them and that will be the final yab

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429672
if kson doesn't do this then we gave her too much credit for being a shrewd business lady

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429672
neither of them are manager material
people have been touting ksonpro since before the chink yab and these people forget that for her the biggest joy in life is being a hikki that plays vidya

[Anonymous No.]

>>23428099
>Cover gets China yab
>Loses a huge market
>Nijisanji EN males take over the market and subsequently earn massive numbers
>Hololive sees potential
>Starts graduating Chinayab tubers in preparation to relaunch in China
>Holostars EN/ Holostars CH
>Millions made
>Whores lost
It's perfect

[Anonymous No.]

>>23414917
Anon... All the birthday concerts and individual songs the girls put on are already out of pocket
Cover only pays for if its for their official concert

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429672
They're going to be vshojo JP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429764
exactly, none of the talents actually want to do boring manager work. but if you go independent and don't have company backing, that's the stuff that ends up on your plate (shit like getting rights, making thumbnails, working out deals/merch, talking to modelers, dealing with legal issues, etc).

the holos would love to get a larger cut and still keep the same safe and familiar corpo structure. starting an employee owned partnership would solve that. (a lot of streamer houses are set up this way in twitch)

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
being in Hololive made these women into where they are now. Even fucking Aloe who had two streams still strings along savior fags and pulls solid money JUST FROM BEING IN HOLOLIVE FOR A BRIEF MOMENT. The exposure is the strongest buff these women get from it so much show it follows them after the fact with both cases being a mutual friendly split or even getting fucking executed from the company it does not matter their name is known.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430205
>getting rights, making thumbnails, working out deals/merch, talking to modelers, dealing with legal issues, etc
Anon the rights thing only exists because they're a corpo vtuber, the holomembers have to make their own thumbnails, and Hololive never actually pursues legal action on their talents behalf. Being able to talk to your modeler with our middle-management interfering is a positive.
Maybe if Hololive was a company that did more than the bare minimum your argument would hold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429014
They think she doesn't care about Hololive and is more interested in promoting her roommate account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429672
>obviously
This is what happens to your brain when you overdose on narratives

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430325
I’ve seen people saying that. Honestly I hope she doesn’t go that route as is the worst one. Look at Mel, for example. The only chuba with successful roommate is Noel and it’s because she offers extra R18 content in her roommate’s streams. Doing exactly the same in two accounts doesn’t really work from what I’ve seen. The best would be to go all in with her holo account and then back off like kson or mikeneko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430324
arguing that cover is useless only helps my argument. why pay the huge cut just for the branding if what you're not getting that much out of it?

obviously they appreciate the support in some way otherwise they won't still be at the company. a lot of streamers on twitch form companies for a reason. there's actually a lot of grunt work that needs to happen behind the scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Matsuri´s roommate also gets decent numbers whenever she streams, she would do even better if she was regular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430325
Despite not doing long streams she stream every day and maybe twice, no idea how active she is in her rm, what she does or how she promote her alt but she is very active

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430543
She still stream there after the hand incident? she mostly use that account to vent up and she understand that

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408883
Aren’t they already paying for their original songs themselves?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430205
Kson herself actually has two managers on her payroll right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23431068
Cover pays up to a certain amount then the talent pays the rest if it goes over budget

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429433
Sorry, I meant Iroha

[Anonymous No.]

>>23431235
Iroha is just boring. Weird laugh though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23431288
She plays FFX, she's good in my books

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430509
No, you don't understand, because I don't personally see or understand anything a manager does it means they do nothing and are exploiting the talents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430205
If kson were actually managing the company it would probably be a shitshow, yes, as well as essentially forcing her retirement as a streamer due to the workload this would create. But kson is no fool and I suspect she realizes this and, assuming she goes through with it, will take a more sensible path. I'm speculating but what makes the most sense to me is for kson to be the "face of the company" and have some nominal role/final say on big decisions while the actual day-to-day management is handled by professionals she hires.

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>>23431288
Funny thing, it used to be Lui was down there further than Iroha, Marine goes and does a few collabs with her and suddenly she-s getting way better numbers. Iroha needs to jump in the Marine train and get some exposition too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23431413
Not that guy, but isn't is in the end a question whether the cost (revenue cut, ownership, restrictions, etc), is worth what they get for it in return.
Someone who's goals align with hololive's goals, obviously will gladly pay that, someone who actually wants something different.
And even as an Indie you can hire a manager, to handle these things, with the difference that you are the manager's boss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23431891 (me)
> someone who actually wants something different
sorry forgot to end that sentence.

some who actually wants something different, might not find that it's worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23431726
>people are literally just bandwagoners who watch laorca because other people were doing it
Sometimes I wonder how many people actually have conscious thoughts and likes/dislikes, rather than things they think other people like/dislike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>chaama

Retardchamaa... she gets horrible numbers, and that is under cover, if she goes indie she will be lucky to get anything at all. Not everyone has the "power" to go indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23431726
nta but I don't think Marine collab would help that much other than Marine being able to pinpoint for her what her identity should be. Lui has a total OL vibe that everyone can relate to and the more collabs she does the more it's emphasized. Same with La+ being basically kusogaki, Koyori being pink cat girl, and Chloe being dirty gfe. The only current juxtaposition available for Iroha would be to go Noel route as a meathead that just powers through things but but I think her choice to speak in formal JP makes her too reserved for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23431891
>>23431942
People have leaned very hard on the "menhera episode" angle, and with good reason, but this also seems to be a big part of what was going on in mikeneko's case. There was some sort of conflict with management that we know essentially zero details about and she probably would have left even without the yab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432000
It isn't about "bandwagoning"as much as it is an opportunity for exposure, marketing, a lot of people will not even click on these new members channels and give them a chance even though they might like it if they try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Have you fucks looked at Kson's recent Views? Fucking ID is easily beating her these days. She's lucky she has a cult of gachikoi.
Michael cat had like 80K fucking views during her debut stream, then went down to 30K views during her model reveal.
The people watching her are fucking drama tourists. She might have enough gachikoi to continue but only time will tell but I expect her fucking income from ads to become jack shit like kson in the future.
Any idiot can tell that the cut hololive takes from superchats is compensated by their collab network, management doing all the fucking tedious shit for you, sponsorships, merch sales, concert tickets, etc.
The collab network being the most important thing, people can't stay relevant without it.

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>>23432173

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432214
Sneed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
No, not everyone can bring enough people with them to do ok on their own. A Roboco or Luna would have a tough time making a good living as a solo streamer. Notice that no one retires until circumstances force them to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
She's actually incredibly successful as an indie for someone who had like...2 streams as a member of Hololive. No one would even care about her if that hadn't been the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23406202
Mafumafu was like "Oh hell nah, there's 21 years old girls who want muh dick more"

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432214
oh look!! a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432744
>girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>23414684
>Someone wrote a proper retort
>Fancuck with only one braincell: "Uuuuuh, you're just a dumb ESL! Take that! we win!" *Masturbate furiously*
Fancucks ladies and gentlemen.

[Anonymous No.]

Corpos win.
Seethe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432807
But he's right

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408354
Yep, Kson is stable and wise. Some even referred her as Vtuber goddess after a recent event where she helped a Vtuber she doesn't even know.

Rushia, I worried that she will be a numberfag and might losing it if her live count dwindle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Most holos don't need Cover anymore, they stay out of a sense of obligation or gratitude or because they are just comfortable there. Noel is the biggest example of that. Management is lax with girls like Ayame and Aqua probably because they don't want to piss them off, in the end Holomen don't need the brand as much as Cover needs them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23433248
Noel didn't even need to join in the first place, but she wanted to. Neither did Polka, or Ina, or Lamy or a bunch of other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23433248
>and Aqua
Don't compare Aqua to Ayame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23433379
recently they are pretty comparable, Aqua doesn't fucking stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>23408508
white knights and saviorfags felt like abuser irl.
Remind me of this story from youtube about a girl who found out his bf secretly ruined her life so he can come running and calm her down, pretty mucha a "saviour"
Also I remember a lot of news of so called white knights that ended up got arrested for sexual harassment or assault later on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23433379
Aqua was never shy about her complaints about you know what, that's the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411556
Weinstein is dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411989
reddit immigrant gtfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>23433419
While Aqua doesn't stream she participates in Hologra, has her own 3D lives, releases covers, works on orisongs releasing them with fully animated MVs, promotes stuff, tweets out every day.
Ayame only appears in Hologra and streams much less than Aqua.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23420233
Even when it's stickied here, do you think /vt/ has some kind of social power of vtubers? So far I checked this retarded board is full of generals and schizo threads. Do you think people will think we're a bunch of sane people if we bring our content outside this containment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23433696
Ayame actually does her singing and dancing reps compared to Aqua though

[Anonymous No.]

>>23421185
Kson is smart, Mike... not so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23433379
Shut the fuck up cancerous narrative retard
Ayame never did anything wrong and works her own pace
>>23433696
And Ayame does her fair share of idolshit, you just are an ugly shit mutt

[Anonymous No.]

>>23421824
>acting like he knew the industry
If Merch money all gone to Holo, then why Watame claim that she used merch profit to make a whole album full of original songs? It cost $2500 per song at minimum.
Or Marine can spend $400,000 for her MV?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430325
Whats her roomate account?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23423495
Do you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23428002
>Claim that Japanese youth copying Chinese youth
And this is why I know you're a white guy living somewhere in USA's bible belt

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432214
All of Mikey Cat's VODs have over 1m views. Gura's last 3 streams combined don't have that many views. You have to remember, Mikeneko is not scheduling and barely announcing anything she's doing because she's actively trying to dodge antis. So a lot of her viewership is going to show up in VODs.

No one wants to admit that she's actually really entertaining to watch, even if she is a crazy idiot, who can barely turn on a computer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429672
>Implying it's easy to start a company
How I know you're still a kid or not a wagie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23434635
>literally too retarded to know what Confucianism is
Just shut the fuck up, burger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23434279
>And Ayame does her fair share of idolshit
The only idolshit she does is playing with KDA skins on League of Legends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432807
>Fancuck went straight to insult because they can't give proper rebuttal
Always predictable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23434279
>works her own pace
which just so happens to be never lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Haachama's motives are beyond our comprehension.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23434802
lol I have a copy of Confucious writing but not all Japanese youth read them. You're talking as if it's still feudal Japan.
Imagine if a Japanese guy claim that American youths are all reading and following Dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone here shitting on Haachama never accounted her being busy in college.
Y'all a bunch of entitled people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23433549
We clear anon, cover isnt waiting for you outside of your house

[Anonymous No.]

>>23434344
Can't read English? There are 2 types of merchandise, the one that pays cover and the one that pays the talent. Only with the second one you oshi make money.
Cover can help finance a project, but it will not do it for free and if it is not viable it will simply reject it. did you forget why i cry pekora?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407558
>lose over 50% to youtube and cover cuts
>gain 100% of cover's cut after graduate
>keep over 50% subs
>not a gain
You are a special kind of stupid arent you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23435631
Then show me which merch only pay for Cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>23435713
Subs are free

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Just say you hate hololive because it's more popular than your irelevant oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>23429081
>Koyori
why? she is nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>23435720

Any that have cover corp in name or logo as well as songs, fuck if you don't see streams you should at least see the clips

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432214
I don't even disagree with your general point, it's likely interest in her will fade over time, but treating her as exactly like kson is already mistaken. She already has 20% of kson's total views, on a channel that was created 2 months ago vs a channel that was created 7 years ago and has been active post-Holo for two years. There is no reason to assume this trend is going to reverse itself any time soon, as her most recent streams have 1.2M and 1M views respectively vs. 1.8M the debut stream that got her that record CCV.
You're right about the drama tourist thing, but you're missing the broader context in that she consistently delivers what those people want. She's constantly in the spotlight, always making headlines on matome blogs, going through multiple 5ch threads a day, even another major post-termination korekore segment. Unless this situation changes, (and there's no reason to assume it will), she will keep her dramafags (both fan and anti) interested. And the longer they stick around, the more likely they are to get invested, and honestly two months is an incredibly long time for them to still be there in the first place.

I understand the urge to compare this situation to kson's but really it's just unprecedented, there is really no telling how it will turn out and how long it will take to get there. Again, you're probably right that she ends up as an irrelevant small-timer in the long run, but it's bound to be a more interesting road and there's still other ways it could turn out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23412284
She's fucking ugly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23439044
How is it a proof? Any Cover merch can have the logo on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
I hate holo JP but I suppport her. she should keep ruining JP culture, I don't watch any her stream though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23440838
>Any COVER MERCH can have the logo on it.
There you have it. Shall I teach you how to wipe your ass too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23430325
Ah, so they have their own "Mori" schizos, eh? Like a mirror.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23441682
The logo is there because it's the main company and the talents are working under them. I asked you for PROOF, as in legal proof that every products with cover logo supposed to receive the whole profit.

This is like FromSoftware games are published by Bandai Namco. So of course both logo will appear in the game, but FromSoftware still getting most of the profit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23412187
Her stare is just as unsettling and piercing as flesh, and having the voice from a person gives the same vibe as before.
The loss of that godly model is sad, but really only because there wont be any more 2ndary content from artists, her streams are basically the exact same.

[Anonymous No.]

Become irrelevant many months later. Get harassed by the haters even after switching over.
yeah, I'm pretty sure it was all boons and not a lot of headaches that followed. It was all a smooth transition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23439144
She has 2000 dedicated fans that are a baseline of viewers
Even if she lost every single casual, she would still be bigger than any Holostar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
If all the girls cared about was money then they all would have graduated a long time ago. They know they could coast on their gachikois but prefer to stay in Hololive which says a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
>before Aloe
>poorfag hikki
>2 view for 7 years
>suicidally depressed
>family torn apart by her step dad
>one if her 2 viewers had to become a strong artist in order to give her fanart
>no dog

>after Aloe
>makes enough money to support herself, her Mom and her Brother
>goes on regular business trips to Tokyo with her Mom
>has tons of fanart from many great Hololive fanartist
>inspired one of her oldest fans to become vtuber
>has a banana wife who she loves and is streaming with on her birthday
>just released a cover with more on the way
>album of original songs almost done
>gaining full control of her self
>Defeated KusoDad The Ultimate Anti
>Defeated Alpha Omega saving her Council Kouhais from his chuuni controls
>Defeated the Bogdanoff twins after destroying their Melta Gear and infecting them with a variant of Covid known as ALOEDIE
>possibly in a secret discord with MikeNeko and Kson
>began her conquest of Japan
>has a dog

Is it perfect no but I am tired of you number niggers acting like she isn't successful as hell.

[Anonymous No.]

It really isn't the endgame.

Kson/Coco has proven that viewership doesn't really translate all that well. Just look at the numbers she's pulling right now and compare to what she used to get. And it's not like it's just a falloff, Hololive members who have around 1mil subs have much better viewership.

This doesn't mean that simply belonging to hololive gives you a massive boost due to the brand awareness and all the "cross pollination" of fanbases. There's definitely that, but it's more about how most of your fanbase is clearly not going to follow you, even if your new identity is basically an open secret and everybody knew about her new channel. You could compare it to what happens when you switch from one video platform to another, only the most dedicated fans will follow you. The rest, they are in it for the whole thing, not just you.

So no, it's really not the end game, or even that desirable to do if you care about the business side of it. It's not as bad as starting from scratch, but in the long run you will need to cultivate an entirely different audience, an entirely different brand, in an entirely different environment with different potential viewers. Even somebody so well liked and with so much talent for this as Kson is not able to return to her old glory, even with all the newfound freedom and no limitations. As much as you may hate those corporations, there are very clear benefits from joining them and running your channel through them, and there seem to be severe detriments from leaving after you've already established yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

So, unless your plan is to specifically use hololive/niji/whatever, as a stepping stone to build yourself and your brand up, and then to use that as a trampoline to help become indie, you better stick with what you're doing and just keep doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23448888
Kson's numbers are pretty consistent with her past solo streams, it was only ever her Hololive collab streams that were popular. She didn't fall off, it's just she no longer does the content that got Holofans to watch her. I would watch Asacoco News even if I don't care about Coco. Without it there's no reason for me to watch Kson.
Just making a point that its not Kson's viewers disappeared, as they weren't her viewers to begin with. Kson's doing fine with retaining the viewers that watched Coco's solo streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407601
>Please welcome your new President, Usada Pekora!

[Anonymous No.]

>>23449640

Unless my memory is failing me, her vods consistely had around 100-200k views, with those collabs you mentioning going even higher than that. Now Kson is doing around 50k from what I can see.

You're claiming that those viewers weren't her to begin with if they didn't follow, but that's entirely my point. Most people watching hololive streamers aren't there specifically for that person. They are there for the whole of hololive, collabs getting way more views on average is further indicator of that. Sure, they might gravitate towards a particular talent due to preferences, but that's only a part of the appeal. That's why I said that most of your audience will not follow you, because most of your audience seems to not be watching you specifically, but the whole ecosystem: interactions, collabs, etc. Once you stop being a part of that equation, you are no longer as appealing.

I also stopped watching Coco once she graduated and went on to being Kson. It just didn't feel like the same thing. Sure, the person is the same, but everything around the person was completely different. And that matters a lot for just a casual viewer who isn't an obsessed fan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405982
Nijinigger should pay for this…

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
>unpopular opinions
Contrary to popular belief, sub numbers and superchat money are not what makes the bulk of the money. Cooperate chuubas have access to lucrative commercial gigs which you don't get as a indy. While you can still make a good living with a existing fan base, your locked out of any chance at real moneys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Some people forget that Rushia didn't graduate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405911
she seems happier that she's free to get into drama spats on twitter, the fact that she doesn't need to play a character isn't relevant because she hasn't stopped doing that

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know why people think Cover doesn't give freedom to its talents when Ayame exists.
Or maybe they forgot that she exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23411768
>those unbelievably faint stretch marks along her thigh
oh god my fucking COCK aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
Graduating only seems viable if you're a 1%er.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23405671
This post reeks of EOP subhumanism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23437679
Read >>23431235

[Anonymous No.]

>>23407601
> t. only watches NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>23432825
Didn't 2 girls key a bus in Hong Kong or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23410934
>Nuxtaku
She spoke to him once and has since then stayed the fuck away from that toxic cesspit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23434181
I mean with regards to having experience in the industry and knowing how things work.
She's been at it a while. She'll not struggle. Much. Her diva lifestyle will take a hit for a while, but she'll get back to some sense of normalcy quickly.