/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why do the NijiEn boys pander so much more than the NijiEn girls?

[Anonymous No.]

where's the current drama, nijien finally getting their shit together?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972709
huh drama?
i'm just asking a question.

[Anonymous No.]

Because no one gives a shit about them otherwise. It's 100% sellout from the start, and whoever is the most shameless gets the most attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Because the girls already belong to the boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Why wont they? majority of their fans are females, females only watch males vtuber, males watch females vtuber.
Example fungus covid, trying so hard to not pander to fujos, still end up with fujos fanbase anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
$$$

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Because it's what the majority of their viewers want and they make bank off of it? It's not hard to understand.

[Anonymous No.]

Men have a better understanding of what people who watch vtubers want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972866
>trying so hard to not pander to fujos, still end up with fujos fanbase anyway.
He writes gay fanfic of him and Alban, and replies enthusiastically to porn of him fucking Uki. Where did this 'hates fujos' meme come from? He just hates chat attentionwhores.

[Anonymous No.]

>plays an action game
>suddenly viewers cut in half
Because playing or doing content aimed at girls is why they are popular .

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Pandering makes money regardless of gender, but for female vtubers it comes with a stigma, basically virtual slut shaming. This hasn't caught up to men yet.

Basically all vtubers are in the business of pandering and the boys only do it more because they can get away with it more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973105
>chat attentionwhores
So his mods?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973126
The ones that hate women pandering to men are other women. It's how the term "pick me girl" was coined.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972747
Hey it paid out. That VN he's playing was custom made for his fake birthday

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973105
What's the gender inverse of "not like other girls" girls?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Why wouldn't they? It's like being a cattle rancher but instead of making money off them, you herd them off a cliff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973126
>men and women are different
>muh misogyny
turns out nobody likes whores riding the cock carousel
what a shock

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973144
Yes actually
>>22973209
Pick me fudan who likes danmei but only the boring 2 view stories

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
If I only need stream 3-4 hours a day and making six figure a month like Vox then I would be happy to do even more pander shit than them like pretend to fuck or be fucked by other gay men, it's just an easy money man, after of that 3-4 hours pretended on stream then I can freely to become a chad and drown in pussies with those money, who the fuck doesn't want that easy money unless you're a fucking jealousy faggot then touch grass I guess

[Anonymous No.]

Anons here WILL pander as much if not even harder than the NijiEN boys did if they given as much attention and money from asian women off the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

Vox made a pretty penny merely sitting there and reading women say they want to be bred like him like a pig.

[Anonymous No.]

Because they're talentless hacks with underage fanbases that would forget about their existence if they don't say some gay shit for two minutes. I hate them so fucking much for stealing the girls's protagonism and turning NijiEN into faggot central, at least Kuzuha and to a lesser degree Kanae are chill, even their pandering is tolerable because it's a lot more subtle than "Hahaha I'm bottom you're top I wanna suck your dick POOOOG", I still hate them for passing Mito, Sasaki and HonHima in subs though

[Anonymous No.]

It's because Fujo audiences will view farm/bot the streams to make the YouTube algorithm go their way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Because they know their audience and said audience is mostly SEA OLs. When it comes to NA audience, both Luxiem and Noctyx failed horribly. The recruiters are going to try something risky in the future and they're looking for someone mad enough to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Because males won't watch them

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973334
a common sense option in my /vt/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973209
Male feminist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973126
/vt/'s definition of pandering is biased itself. Streaming anything aimed at women is pandering, yet playing games popular with men or doing gfe aimed at men never gets called pandering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22974357
>using an image of a liver who is the quintessential rabid itabag paypigging fujoshi who literally fell down stairs and had to be on break after rushing home with apple pay cards to whale for her ansuta oshi, and asks for fanservice from her male stream partners including korean men doing smoking asmr for her
>to shit on the same type of female otaku group she belongs to

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973118
>Play Sekiro
>Play Dusk
>Men don't come back
>Back to zatsudan and things geared for women
>BUT WE WANT BRO TUBERS
People should stop lying through their teeth. Men are cheapskates that aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is and support anything. Those women dunk the fuck out of male contributions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22974357
>stealing the girls's protagonism
lol you mean their entire audience being holofag leftovers? I still remember the days where a girl would instantly lose 30% of her viewers because a Holo streamed lmao
You complain about muh pandering so much you're probably an EOP who doesn't know Gakkun, Akina or Fuwa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22974471
do they bot SC, merch, fanart, and comments too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975849
Holofags are always the most affected by all YouTube bot purges then have the audacity to call other streamers botted

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Because NijiEN girls don't have gachikoi while NijiEN boy only have gachikoi. That's why only the boys are inclining while the girls are stagnating. Men always win, simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
I don't actually watch but im guessing a big part of it is that children and girls can actually have fun and guys are physically less able to enjoy themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975845
>I still remember the days where a girl would instantly lose 30% of her viewers because a Holo streamed
I'm glad we are beyond that now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975517
It is called gfe pandering tho...
GFE chuubas and their fans always get mocked as sluts and cucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>22976028
>women get made fun of
WTF? Next you're going to tell me something crazy, like men being praised for having multiple sexual escapades while women are scorned for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975954
yeah, now they're all chinese women waiting for men to appear in the open VC

[Anonymous No.]

>>22976801
Eh, in the end it's all numbers to their eyes anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22976801
do women actually get angry at niji guys interacting with the girls?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Dude, I would pander if I was a vtuber. Males don't give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22976801
>they're all chinese women waiting for men to appear in the open VC
All this view farming it's getting obnoxious

[Anonymous No.]

>>22979978
Outside of fujos start getting fed up with all Mika leeching to mysta , not much

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
because Homo sells . . chinks fujo money are not a thing you can leave alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975849
they bought merch but most of them are doing something like "split pay". 10 ppl paying for one merch (mostly VP + digital arts) because those chinks are poor lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22979978
until vox doing off collab with the girl alone. then no. vox mostly doing all gen or 2 ppl collab instead solo collab with the girls. ofc no chinks will mad because of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975624
>liver

[Anonymous No.]

Woman pander as much as guys, you just don't notice because they're pandering to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973126
>virtual slut shaming
I cant believe that this is a thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975624
damn you can't just shit all over >>22974357 like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975624
Holy shit. Stay based, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
This shit is so gay how many unironic faggots are on this board to defend this shit? Just say you like cock in your ass and you were molested from a young age, quicker than defending nijimales.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22980747
>>22980859
>1 minute apart

[Anonymous No.]

>>22981148
t. Repressed homo

[Anonymous No.]

>>22981213
>16 minutes ago
>12 minutes ago
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>22976801
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>22974357
haha, falseflag EOP faggot BTFO by fujo enjoyer>>22975624

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975624
Who is Nyaraka ansuta oshi?

[Anonymous No.]

Because men won’t give them money or watch their streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
I feel like a good portion of male viewers get turned off by pandering that is too obvious and explicit especially if its sexual in nature. They want you to make their dick hard without seeming like you are trying to. That way you remain "pure" and not slutty while also being arousing. If you go too far you end up being coomerbait that people will jack off too but never really watch once they've nutted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22980661
Nah, if you do GFE nonsense or pander to fujos, its functionally identical. Of course, fujos are degenerate enough that even if you TRIED not to pander they'd probably like it more if you actually comprehended even a baseline level of knowledge of their hobbies. Or its just they like the avatar design. Fujoshi are a strange breed.
To be honest, the heavy pandering is likely because most of them are terrified of losing this massive audience they've gained for fujo pandering, and have no idea what to do for content. Not everyone can be a person like Vox who just naturally generates content by existing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972866
>trying so hard to not pander to fujos, still end up with fujos fanbase anyway.
fungus is a literal faggot who has discord sex with the other faggot uki and talks about it on stream

for him not to fujo pander he'd have to base his personality not around his sexuality which is something faggots are incapable of doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972866
Some of us are more selective in our fujo activities. I may like watching men fuck each other but I want it done in a classy way that preserves their modesty and leaves the juicy bits to the imagination.
Watching men who themselves out with other men isn't fun, it feels like cheap pandering. Its the mcdonalds of yaoi. Maybe the lower class enjoys partaking in such disgusting pathetic food, but for myself I will not be taking such filth into my spiritual body. I reserve my ships for only the highest quality boys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22988087
>vox
He's the biggest panderer of the lot of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22987942
This isn't real and you're probably a woman. Female vtubers stream audio of them kissing and showering together and men will never be as pandering as them, Vox is amazing women merely because male streamers don't act like whores

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975624
a lot samefaging in this post

[Anonymous No.]

Could've used a better example than this image like vox or mysta. This retard cant do anything for shit even if its pandering

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
>daily booba jokes
>almost only ever yuribait and pretend to be lesbians or bi at worst
>softcore gfe, kisses, and soft-speaking in zatsudans
>any flirting is usually direct but not raunchy
OP, this IS pandering to the incel male audience. Men and women don't have the same needs. Incels thirst and yearn to fill empty void of love and companionship in their pathetic lives, thus their pandering is more tame, boyish banter, or casual flirting. They know there is a physical requirement for men that they may not reach, but theres material ones too that don't make all of their failings be purely superficial so emotional support through platonic relations seem to be more seen in their chats than romantic ones.

Femcels on the other hand are women who are the more vain and emotionally insecure of the species and with the empowerment and encouragement that's been pushed out these last two decades that they still may not have been able to meet in one form or another (usually looks and being unable to reach the female body standards women have made for themselves) they seek more direct romantic and sexual validation. The latter is much more obvious, but while the former just seems like it may not exist in actuality you've been stuck in the forest so long you can't see the forest for the tress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22988408
>I may like watching men fuck each other but I want it done in a classy way

Do fujos really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
What is the pandering here? I don't know the game or vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
fujobait sells

[Anonymous No.]

>>22995264
The game is a fan-made VN about Luca and his made up genderbend self/sister

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Same reason why boygroups and boybands were so popular no matter how shitty their music is. From Backstreet Boys to Tokio Hotel.
Fangirls are infinitely bigger money machines than guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22995332
So it's straight incest? I guess that's pandering to a demographic but the whole thread is talking about fujos.

[Anonymous No.]

Pog baiting, a fucking retard manchild, worst version of Matsuri, playboy,
He loves rose more than fairy, anons
He’s dead yet…

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975950
Roast hands typed this post.

[Anonymous No.]

>female vtuber does [thing]
:D
>male vtuber does [literally the same thing]
>:(

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996518
>female vtuber
Hololive* female vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996518
>female vtuber does [thing]
>haha how cute, she's really funny and creative
>male vtuber does [thing]
> HA HA XD :D :D: :D POGGERS AMIRITE GURLZ.
>THANKS FOR PLAYING MINECRAFT MY RAPIST IS BEHIND BARS <3 :D HEHE

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975717
I have never lied through my teeth. Anytime it comes up here or on discord or wherever, I’ve always been open in admitting I’ll never watch a male vtuber. No brotuber will ever provide anything that I can’t get from an IRL streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996658

[Anonymous No.]

>>22980501
Holy fuck. Yeah, that’s all the evidence I need to know that these really are chinks. That’s so accurate, and it kind of describes the problem with chinks as a whole—too obnoxious and poor to be as arrogant as they are. Kinda like Russians.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996856
>strawman
try learning what that means first.
The post I'm replying to is literally posting with emotes.

If you weren't a fucking newfag you'd realize that literally anywhere else on this website that would be a ban. Only in the normalfag fujo infested nijiEN threads is that considered acceptable to do on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22980501
>>22996882
Are you being retarded on purpose? Split pay is buying the entire pack and selling the ones you don't want. Have you never heard of box splits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22988408
Honest question. You think the proportion of fucking insane fujos to ones who have no interest in trying to force fantasy onto real life is about the same or greater or less than the male coomerbrain to reasonably normal in public ratio?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996964
I think the proportion of English to SEA in your post is heavily skewed toward SEA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996904
bruh

[Anonymous No.]

>>22995426
>the whole thread is talking about fujos.
Because they don't know anything about Luca, he panders towards yumejoshis and sort of incest I guess since he roleplays having a dom sister with huge boobs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug8mukNdvZc

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996904
>argue that /vt/ gives girls a pass for "pandering" to horny fans but get angry when Luxiem does the same shit
>shifts the discussion to Luca's humor
>shifts the discussion AGAIN to posting emotes on 4cucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>22997177
Then complain about goalposts you dumb faggot.
The post I replied to was a faggot post I was mocking for being a blatant fucking newfag like all the fucking fujos that ruined nijiEN.
But of course you're too much of a tourist to understand how offensively new the initial post was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996904
>The post I'm replying to is literally posting with emotes
>literally anywhere else on this website that would be a ban
What the fuck are you talking about, faggot? Lying to scare the tourists away?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996904
WTF is this tranny word salad. Nobody knows what you're trying to say retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22996904
This right here is why they should've kept the emotes from April's fools. Fuckers like this would be driven to suicide over smiley face pngs and it'd be hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22997737
>Man its just so EPIC to come into a place with a defined culture and shit it up as if we're on reddit and twitter
>Fuck those guys who were here first lmao, they should all kill themselves
yeah nijiEN in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22997819
>a defined culture
Anon, this board's existence is literally a result of Hololive posts (Gura and Korone in particular) being spammed not only on /jp/ but all over the site after Myth launched (hence, holo"brony"). So much for respecting the culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22997819
>defined culture ruined by NijiEN
kek, nijisisters are not helping but /vt/ has been newfag central since its creation which predates NijiEN. /vt/ is a tourist hub and is filled with endless amounts of spoonfeeding and retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>22998829
nijien just happens to be a hotspot of the worst of the worst, while hololive was mostly just newfags from other boards ruining jp, they still had some semblance of 4chan culture.
it doesn't help that people there actively encourage this type of newfaggotry with simps slurping up anything a fujo shits out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22998902
>they still had some semblance of 4chan culture.
Keep telling yourself this.
>surveyposting
>gay teammates
>holostars fujos

[Anonymous No.]

>>22998966
why do nijiniggers do this

[Anonymous No.]

>>22998966
>surveyposting
its just cringe shit you see in every general on this website.

and fujos by themselves aren't bad, its only when they're blatant offsite newfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22998902
This is true since the fujos have stated theyve come from f*cebook a few times before and something called fujochan. NijiEN isnt fully at fault given how many r*dditors come here thanks to Coco

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999004
I'm talking about you infinitely cringey /hlgg/fags. This entire board is facebook central, every single general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22998966
>homostar fujos
Those dont exist here, its just a bunch of gay anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999056
surveyposting in nijien used to be discourage

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999160
But I am not gay. I ignore the hornyposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999173
It should be, but that's not some indication of facebook or where other bullshit place these people come from.
That's just generalfags being generalfags, and there's a reason generals got banned on /a/ and most other boards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975624
>>22980747
>>22980859
>>22982289
Damn. Femcels and trannies really seething hard over hearing the truth about their shitty non-vtubers, aren't they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22973105
>'hates fujos' meme
It's because this board is too stupid to understand words. The vast majority of the time, when someone here says "fujo" what they actually mean is "gachikoi yumejo."

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999407
no they just mean women

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999407
Just like how when people say "unicorn" they mean "well adjusted adult who knows what they want to watch and hates being falsely advertised to"

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999673
Well adjusted adults don't send death threats because their oshi was seen for 1 milliseconds with another man

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999407
Well to be fair, NijiEn has more fujos than Yumejos. If they had more Yumejos there would be more backlash about female collabs and gay shipping stuffs. The majority of their clips are also targeted towards fujos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999777
I'm sure everyone who complained about Pomu and Finana's offcollab sent horrible death threats and aids needles to their houses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999673
>well adjusted adult

[Anonymous No.]

>>22995812
What you talking about, if you enjoy video games as much as basically any holomem you must be a major faggot.
When we become adults, our brains change to the point we can't enjoy things the same way a child can.
Women evidently keep that child part of the brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999778
You don't see unicuck Holofags complaining about the endless /u/baiting by the likes of Kiara. In fact, they WANT to see more of it.
https://archive.alice.al/vt/thread/22801859
Why do you think the reverse would happen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999231
>get btfo
>f-femcels! t-trannies!
embarrassing

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Because they're based

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975717
I can finally use this gif for it's rightful purpose

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999231
No one is denying they don't pander to women it's just retarded to laugh at EOPs while being too EOP to know who Naraka is, it's like using Utako's face and saying "ew shotacons"

[Anonymous No.]

>>22975717
>filter people
>expect them to come back for 10% of content
why would i even know they're playing them in the first place? I stopped watching once they kept talking about how big of faggots they are on stream and how much they love sucking dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23001906
This guy makes so little sense his brain must be literally covered in cum

[Anonymous No.]

>>22988408
"I'm not like other girls!" fujo ver.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999778
>If they had more Yumejos there would be more backlash about female collabs and gay shipping stuffs.
Not really, women who fawn over Vox and want to be abused by him don't bat an eye at him x Reimu (some literally call her Milady) or him drooling over Ike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23001906
>Why do you think the reverse wouldN'T happen?
noticed the mistake an hour a half later

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999777
People memeing on gfe streamers fanbase is not the same thing as death threats m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>22988408
Please take a shower and stop disappointing your parents

[Anonymous No.]

>>23005238
That's because they're more quiet about it. Female fans may be more blatant and brave when saying the things they want like for the boys to give them kisses but they're less likely to speak up when it comes to negativity about another person. See the among us collab for example, a ton of people were calling the girls loud and they got told they were "rude" and "mean" even though they were right. Also all the boys' viewership goes down every time a female enters their collab despite the chat being spammed with "HI [female chuuba]!" for ten minutes straight.

>If they had more Yumejos there would be more backlash about female collabs
Damn now I wish Luxiem had majority yumejo fans. I don't think yumes hate gay ships that much, plus we'd still get shipping fan art regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't make me use lethal force.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
In short female nijis are too afraid to create a parasocial fanbase by accident, that's a problem even present on the jp side where the ''big girls'' don't know how to give it back entertainment to their gachikois even if its just some silly fanservice, meanwhile males aren't afraid to do since the world just works different for guys and they normally have a thicker skin to deal with some crazy girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>22997819
Majority of people liked the emotes and thread quality went up on literally every board. Seriously cope more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22997819
>b-b-b-but I was here first
So were the native americans and the gauls, tough shit cry more. Dw we'll let you keep one thread as a reservation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23006049
No, you do not wish they had more yumejo fans. They are the first people to shit on every other vtuber who isn't their oshi. If only you knew what kind of comments the males get in JP from their yumes, the battle of kanaefags vs kuzuhafags started since they existed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23007352
Yes I do want it.
I want to watch NijiEN burn.
If I can't enjoy them, nobody should.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23007352
That's fine, I can ignore retarded fanbases and I'm used to that. What I can't ignore is a female barging in on CBDCT. I'll deal with that kind of shitflinging if it means those fans actually put in the work to prevent their oshi from touching other females unlike the lazy male gachikoi that don't actually do shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Because the average Chinese female is a 2:1 ratio now and they don’t give a fuck about the “leftovers” they’d rather spend their back whipped money on a man that dream speaks English.

In the end, the luxiem/noctyx fans will but harder than the lazulight/obsydia/ethyria if shit goes south. Girls are playing the long game while the boys are playing a short, pandering one.

[Anonymous No.]

because it gives them easy money.. are you all retarded or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>23010390
Except female gachikoi can barely do that. There are way more male-free female vtubers than female-free male vtubers. You're wishing for fanfiction, sis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22972681
Western women have been brainwashed that they need to le strong independent woman and doing pandering entertainment is unacceptable, even when roleplaying a cartoon character. Men are more open minded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23015455
>Western women have been brainwashed not to be a whore for thousands of men on the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>23015653
>women dress modestly
IT'S DA FEMINISM
>women dress slutty
IT'S DA FEMINISM

[Anonymous No.]

>>23015805
No one said anything about clothes, your're pardoned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23016487
No, but the "western women getting brainwashed" is pure bullshit sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>23020779
Yeah since it's everybody. When I was in primary school we used to do Post-modernist plays. One christmas instead of doing a play about Jesus or whatever we did songs about Christmas in Mexico and China(?).
Then there was this Pirate play, all about how girls were better than boys "Girl power, not like you shower, simply delicious, not neo-lithic like YOU"

[Anonymous No.]

>>23021085
And that's just the stuff that was for fun, the actual education was ridiculous at times.
Im sure I wasn't the only one taught about how there would be no rainforests by now.
Reality seems to be that all the harvesting of lumber is a non-issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22999407
Literally. When will this stupid board realize that I don't give two fucks about watching Vox get it on with other guys, I want him to creampie my pussy and send me on my merry way? Yumejo unity

[Anonymous No.]

>>23024869
Gross

[Anonymous No.]

>>23010629
That "long game" is gonna get them burned out and make them quit. Vtubing isn't something you play for the long run, they all have a couple more years at most and unlike the my boys who are playing the game right, the girls will stay nobodies. Cope