/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

if you were in cover's position would you even bother pushing for a starsEN or just focus on the girls?

[Anonymous No.]

More holoID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
at least try 1 gen, but keep then away as possible to the girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
>Expand into a market already shown to be successful
>Don't do that for no reason
Who can say what the better choice is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
I would create starsEN but to get in you would have to chop your penis off.

[Anonymous No.]

I wouldn't bother. This move feels too desperate, risky and shortsighted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250013
Just like nijisanji EN
oh wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Dismantling Holostars altogether is not an option since it will fuck up Cover's reputation. And keeping the current Holostars members confined to a group of only nine will immensely hurt the branch, even IF the girls were not repulsed by the existence of Holostars as they are now. So yeah, I'll try to grow the branch as Cover is currently doing, except I wouldn't hire traps and fags like Rio and Uyu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249996
>this pic
>this post
It's always sharpedos

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250047
Why even bring them up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250047
NijiEN is exactly why this feels desperate. They saw Luxiem success and can't simply ignore it, even if ignoring it and focusing on what works is much safer option.

[Anonymous No.]

StarsEN WILL debut
They WILL collab with Gura's cunny
You WILL like, subscribe, and donate
Seethe and dilate

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250225
kys nijitard retard nigger faggot
all out war

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
I would push for starsEN because I am a homo. If Yagoo is not a homo I don't know why he bothers when it's been proven stars is diseased and most avoid it even if they like cute boys.

[Anonymous No.]

I would just focus on getting good girls for an EN3 that revitalized interest in the branch
There is a lot of risk associated in introducing a starsEN branch, given the amount of unicorns in the holo fanbase.
Besides, you would be second to arrive to the market now. Cover would have to be really confident in that the boys they get are good enough to steal audience from nijiEN (if they pander to fujos) or facestreamers (if they go for a brotuber angle).

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250453
>I don't know why he bothers
Because the boys are people. Not something you can easily get rid of especially when they don't cause any yabs like the girls do.

[Anonymous No.]

I would create StarsEN and run it exactly like the main HoloStars branch. There's very few risks involved, and they may even get lucky and find a breakthrough talent.
On the other end, ignoring the homos altogether or pushing them to much like Niji would ruin the Hololive brand and that's the last thing that Cover wants. Branding is more important than short term revenues, no matter what numberfags say.

[Anonymous No.]

I just want want "Hololive Production" to become "Holo Production" or something that does not imply that Holostars are part of Hololive.
>>22250630
>There's very few risks involved
And very few rewards

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250615
The thread isn't about firing the jp boys, though? I wouldn't expect that, but I do believe it will be a harder sell in the west and most likely not worth the investment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22251053
yeah no sorry i worded the op kinda weird. basically i meant keeping the things the way they are with the girls and just holostars jp

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250986
>And very few rewards
Branding is the reward. "We don't ignore male talents, even if they don't make us money" make Cover looks good, and looking good is a big part of their marketing strategy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22252042
>run it exactly like the main HoloStars branch
>Branding is the reward
>implying Cover looks good by how its existing male branch is treated

[Anonymous No.]

>>22252308
yeah i have to agree holostars gets pretty buried.

i know cover puts out ads and stuff but it doesnt look like its enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22252308
They've got 3D, concert, animated skits, holofes appearances, sponsorships appearances... despite being almost 2 views.
What are you expecting? Niji has cornered the market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22252640
And Cover's male branch is still irrelevant and a laughing stock despite all of that. Maybe that will change if StarsEN ends up being really really good.

[Anonymous No.]

I was going to say "Add dudes to HoloEN itself, fuck Holostars EN" but after seeing Noctyx I'd close auditions with the excuse that no males were qualified enough for Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22253532
>"Add dudes to HoloEN itself, fuck Holostars EN"
That's a stupid idea. No one wants dudes in their idol companies, not even redditors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
HoloES wouldve came next

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
No, there's little reason or benefit for Cover or Holostars to make an EN branch, NijiEN already has males and the west has a lot of male streamers that are the go-to option for most people that want to watch males and the west has proven time and time again how little shits they give about Holostars in general, making a StarsEN is a huge risk with very little reward.
NijiEN had the advantage that the girls collabed frequently with males, Nijisanji always having been known for having male vtubers and having a ton of people that watches and were willing to watch male chuubas and the girls collabing with them frequently to help move people around more, a StarsEN would have none of those advantages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22257765
>the west has proven time and time again how little shits they give about Holostars in general
Language barrier. Men can not get by just by making cute noises.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Absolutely yes and they'd be fools not to. You have to remember that even if Stars is comparatively less successful than Hololive, they're still super successful and profitable in the grand scheme of youtube/livestreaming. Being able to pull 100-200K subs and an average of 1-2K viewers at a time is still super profitable. And that's precluding sponsorships and other ways of monetizing talent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22258099
>average of 1-2K viewers
HOLOSTARS = 15 ROBERU'S

[Anonymous No.]

StarsEN is fucked either way.

If they force themselves into mingling with the HoloENs, the idolfag unicorns will reeeeeee hard.

If they keep to themselves (or are only approached by the obvious cockchasers like Mori for a pity collab) they will flounder in obscurity just like StarsJP. (also twittards would raise unnecessary drama about "muh sexism why no interaction?" but despite all their screeching on social media they also still won't actually support the boys with their views and SCs etc that actually matter)

The fujo market is already taken by the first-mover NijiEN, and StarsEN would only be a latecomer playing catch up. People are still coping that "i-it's only chink fujos, it doesn't m-matter anyways!" but it's the biggest target audience for male vtubers.

And the only male vtuber type that is acceptable for channers, the mythical "Brotuber" they always imagine and say they would totally watch ...doesn't really exist anyway, at least in the west. The type of people here that are drawn to becoming a male vtuber are overwhelmingly obnoxious faggots, there are no "bros" to be had

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Holostars is Yagoo passion project, numbers be damned

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
nope
waste of slot, just look at UPROAR, already on 3view shitter territory just like their senpais

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
I'd kill it. Even if it were successful it'd bring so much stupid drama to the community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
>starsEN
Not stars, males HololiveEN is the way to go. The omly reason Holostars isn't successful is because Holostars sounds like a bootleg Hololive brand. If they're Hololove they'd easily be getting as much viewers as the girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>22261511
that is a fair point. they would never do that though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22261511
>If they're Hololove they'd easily be getting as much viewers as the girls
You don't watch Holopro and it shows. Changing the name won't do anything for them because the core Hololive audience, including the western one, does not care about male vtubers. The majority of the girls won't collab with them, Cover won't start enforcing this shit no matter how much you doompost, the current Holostars fanbase will get pissed and in the end the Hololive guys will have the brand name but none of the benefits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22251053
>but I do believe it will be a harder sell in the west
Honestly? It's kind of the opposite.
A lot of the problem with the JP stars were that they were male idols aimed at women, when apparently the overlap between male idol fans and vtuber fans was non-existent (as can be seen by the fact that NijiJP male fans are also primarily male, even if their female fans can be loud).
Meanwhile NijiEN males have proven that appealing to western females actually WILL work, so Cover would be kind of insane not to try. They can almost certainly do EN stars basically the same as they did JP stars and have them be much more successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22257765
>the west has proven time and time again how little shits they give about Holostars in general
The west cares more about them than the JP audience lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22266304
>Meanwhile NijiEN males have proven that appealing to western females actually WILL work
>WESTERN FEMALES
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>22266426
Oh yeah, it's not like western fans dropped Aruran like shit twice, dropped Astel for Luxiem and ignored anything by Rikka other than Spiral Tones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22266460
English speaking females then. The specifics don't matter, the point is "EN males aimed at women actually works"

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
yes, we have to save men and women alike
even if they're averaging 500 views, that's better than a being a 2view

[Anonymous No.]

>>22266426
Most of their chat is JP viewers. It's probably why Temma dropped his English streams besides once in a blue moon. It got him western viewers but was probably alienating his JP audience. It's the same reason why Coco streamed mostly in Japanese.

Western viewers like to toot their own horn but in a lot of ways they're more schizo than the JP fans. Closest thing to a fan yab in all of Holostars was also done by a western viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
if they're going to take the risk of pushing StarsEN, then they're going to have to go big, because NijiEN's males are strong competitors...
but then agaon, what do i know? i have 0 business sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249805
yes plz

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
>if you were in cover's position would you even bother pushing for a starsEN or just focus on the girls?
I'd focus on getting a 60 people strong tech support cadre set up across the entire globe so whenever something goes wrong they can just ping the company Slack and get help immediately. This cadre is also tasked with testing out games while the talent is asleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Yes. Why wouldn't they

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Good possibility they will blow up

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250312
>It's always an astella

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.]

>>22259224
I'm actually a bit surprised how quickly their viewers seem to have dipped to the level of their predecesors, but on the other I kinda saw it coming, maybe not as fast but still.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22286732
Typically eops are the ones to show up and then dip the fuck out, making a show about how "under rated" and "mistreated" they are all the while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22265917
>Cover won't start enforcing this shit no matter how much you doompost
There's a very real chance they will, especially if they've got more omegas hidden in the wood work, they're always the type to "push for change" and stupid shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22268658
>Closest thing to a fan yab in all of Holostars was also done by a western viewer
qrd?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249805
Probably the best idea, ID3 was a success and it's a market Niji has left. Even so it's way to soon to release a new gen but when they do get around to ID4 in 6-12 months they should make it a full 5 members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
They want more female customers
It was proven way before any male chuuba how much they are willing to spend in any garbage as long there's a husbando or seiyuu they like in it
Mediocre anime getting absurd blu-ray sales because of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>22255176
Sunken fallacy
a bunch of gachikois will stay because how much they invested

[Anonymous No.]

Whenever these threads pop up I'm always amazed at how many people don't understand streaming at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22287080
That didn't happen before and it won't happen in the future. If the girls don't want (which most of them don't) they won't force them to do it, otherwise you'd see a bunch of graduations. The most that could happen is fake unity collabs with those who are fine with it, and even that won't make the core audience interested in the Stars. If deadbeats couldn't give a shit about Rikka I doubt any other fanbase will with any other Holostar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22287182
Some idiot on twitter complained about Astel's playstyle during a Solo Master run Astel was doing and Astel, being the memhera egoseacher that he is, found the tweet and engaged with the guy, which led to some small "drama" about the situation, especially since it made Astel go on like a 10 minute or so lesson about KP in Apex.
Really, the situation was pretty much nothing and would have remained norhing if Astel had just ignored it, especially since the tweet was untagged and made on the guy's personal twitter so the only way Astel could see it is if he went out of his way to find it and even then the whole thing didn't really go anywhere and people forgor about it almost inmediatly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Focus on the girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>22287518
The funniest part is that the guy in question is the biggest Stars shill on the official subreddit, and the quasi-official sub milestone poster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22287496
It remains to be seen what the current en girls would think about doing collabs with dudes except for a few who've already done collabs with the jp ones. People try to point to them not doing them with the jp ones but there's a language barrier there, plus a good chunk of these girls don't seem the mentally strong type, I could imagine them being pressured into shit like if Ollie (who seems the type to try), Mori (who's sprung that Ironmouse trap on Irys and Baelz both), or Baelz (less likely) tried to "encourage" them. I certainly hope I'm just dooming, but I've seen so many good damn hobbies go down the drain from dumbasses who can't keep their mouths shut, and companies that are so wildly incompetent they can't even figure out how not to blow their own ship full of holes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Seems clear they're in the middle of changing strategies. They'll continue to debut units like Uproar and whatever boyband shit StarsEN will be until they finally hit it big with vtuber mini-BTS.
The cost of a new generation compared to the company's income is pretty small. Even paying top dollar it's like 10k for each model, 100k a year for a manager (both salary and expenses), maybe double for a second staff member? 100k for a big debut promotion? I can't see it being more than 300k over the course of a year to debut 4-5 people. It's not nothing, but it's not even half of what they've spent on garbage game development that's gone nowhere. The main risk isn't failure, but brand dilution. So there's little reason not to keep pushing.

[Anonymous No.]

I would push for HoloKR
How the fuck they didn't push for it after all the KRW sent to EN and even ID3

[Anonymous No.]

>>22287924
Do koreans want to watch korean speaking koreans living in Korea? Or do they just like being pandered to by vtubers in general?

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>>22287719
A lot of the members who don't know Japanese already collabed or have collabs planned with their JP senpai, so the language barrier excuse is moot, and I doubt we'll have anything similar to NijiEN since collabs between the current, all-female group are already much rarer when compared, so there's no way the invasion/mystery guest type streams will happen just because a couple of guys entered the circuit. Also Cover posted job applications one or two weeks ago for new staff members to manage StarsEN, so they already won't be under the same management HoloEN is. About members pressuring them to collab the only one I can realistically see is Ollie, but I don't think she has that amount of influence that you think she has. Mori is probably the worst example because after she collabed with Rikka she almost completely ignored the other members, had unprompted interactions with Luxiem and then made that super hollow speech about supporting them when she thought fucking RPR was a Stars member. And Bae is similar to Fubuki, as in she actually supports the Stars but understand how the company is structured. The only variable that can actually do any kind of damage are the reddit beggars who will complain if HoloEN doesn't become exactly like Nijisanji after StarsEN debut, so hopefully members of both branches put their feet down against those imbeciles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22288005
They have 3 of them pulling reasonable enough numbers for a poor timeslot live atm, so there is a market even if 2434 failed to capitalize on it for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250534
This, based anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249805
This
But male

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Still push for it.
If you have the ability and funds to create new possible avenues for revenue without hurting your current profits, then go for it.
Don't put your eggs on one basket anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22288920
>without hurting your current profits
That's a thing. It will. The big question is if the gains will be greater than loses. It's risky move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22290678
>It will
Not really. Considering what they've done for the current Stars it's clear they bring something, even if they're completely overshadowed by even the lowest performing Holos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Push for it, but also push for better designs. None of you can look me in the fucking eyes and seriously tell me any of these dudes in Uproar have good designs.
I also think StarsEN is taking a while because they have to find guys who actually want to sing and perform while also being talented in other areas. I'd say that filling the criteria for StarsEN is even harder than HoloEN because of how specific of a person you probably have to be to fit the position of a Holostar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22290762
Quoted wrong part? You seem to presenting argument for gains being bigger than losses, not that it will not affect it at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22291023
No, I'm saying that a StarsEN won't hurt Cover's profits since they don't seem to save on anything with the current Stars. If the branch was a money drain they wouldn't have their own live concert or more members.

>>22290930
>they have to find guys who actually want to sing and perform
I honestly think Cover will be giving priority to those who are musically inclined since that's an area mostly unexplored by western male vtubers. I haven't watch much of the NijiEN guys, but afaik the only members who are decent singers are Ike and I believe Uki, with the rest being mediocre to bad, and I don't know if any of them are even close to being musicians, so a StarsEN might have a chance if they go this route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22250419
aw look, the indog learned his first english words!

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
No i wouldn't stars EN would get the same treatment its kinda obvious it would fail now if they cant sell a homo branch to the holo ID fans a homo EN branch would fail just as hard.

[Anonymous No.]

It'd be silly not to push for StarsEN. Just look at how well Luxiem's doing for Niji. I would also have them collab regularly with Myth and Council. Mostly as promotion for the talents, but partially to scare the unicorns off, as vtubing as a whole has had its reputation damaged by the Rushia incident. This doesn't preclude the company from making more cute girls, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>22292488
Please get better material for your baits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22292621
I mean every word I said. Female streamers doing collabs with male streamers doesn't automatically mean they're fucking, it wouldn't matter if it did, and if that scares you off, good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22292655
Sure thing, Oboretai. Now ask the Hololive members if they want to collab with Holostars. Their answers will surprise you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
I'd focus my personal attention on the girls, especially correcting the misbehaving ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22292488
Luxiem has already taken the majority of fujos, and I highly doubt Stars are pandering to the same audience. Even if they were, their debuts would not be watched by many people, they would need a huge success for their debuts to get a good fanbase from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe the best thing they can do if make a dude somewhat similar to a popular genshin male and hope that fanbase runs with it like with Zeta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
StarsEN is an absolutely retarded idea, but the JP branch seems to be actively sabotaging EN at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
i would go ahead with starsEN with maybe a 3 or 4 member gen1, but leave starsEN and liveEN as separate as the JP branches tend to be.

>but having them all together and collabing all the time is working for niji, anon!!

hololive is not nijisanji. you can't just copy+paste something that worked for one company to another.

i personally believe that in hololive's case, aggressively mixing myth/council with starsEN would be detrimental to myth/council's existing audience, for a minor buff to starsEN's growth at best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
Males would have to bring different hobbies and interests to he table if the males hobbies are completely interchangeable with the average female vtuber hey aren't worth hiring

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249746
even the OG gameclub can't even save their shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>22292710
I mean it's no secret that a lot of them are gachikoi farmers. I think it has partly to do with Cover too.

>Coco avoids male collabs and mentioning Holostars at all until close to grad
>Her roommate has zero problems doing collabs with guys

None of the Holostars are anywhere in the same galaxy of yabai as most western male content creators, yet they're treated like non-persons to most of their coworkers.

At least in Apex space they're no longer avoiding mentioning any of them by name. It's a big change from when they'd have to partially drop out of events because they might get Astel in their team.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249805
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22297412
I am not sure why Cover goes for all variety gamers and not people who are hardcore. In general for guys it seems like game specialists do better than variety gamers.

Like if Miyabi or Ina were to enter world first for Dragonsong War, even if they didn't rank well, that would generate a huge buzz.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22249996
works

[Anonymous No.]

>>22298541
Pretty sure she didn't wanted her antis attacking holostars

[Anonymous No.]

>>22266304
>Appealing to western females
OH NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.]

>>22268658
Temma is one of the few Star who actually managed to retain his English speaking fans, they just only show up for English streams. Aruran didn't like that so he quit doing English streams, but Temma doesn't really mind since he's not a numberfag at all.

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>>22268658
Temma dropped his english streams because he's doing his reps offscreen. If we are lucky Temma becomes bilingual and is the closest to holostars EN we ever get. StarsEN is a fundamentally bad idea because of how schizo ENfags are, and honestly most starsfags don't even want it. It's mostly numberfags and beggars who don't even watch the current holostars who talk the most about the idea of holostars EN. Plus it would be exhausting to deal with EN unicorns on a near constant basis around /here/. T. actual starsfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>22307940
>Temma dropped his english streams
Nigga just did it several days ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>22308033
>checks his channel
>Israel
Well fuck me, should have done my reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>22298652
cover policy bans hardcore

[Anonymous No.]

>>22292752
>their debuts would not be watched by many people
Still can't be worse than Miyabi debut. Also fun fact : Robert actually has one of the lowest debut numbers in Holostars

[Anonymous No.]

>>22308138
You weren't exactly wrong, anon. He did an English stream recently but it was about a book that teaches nips about English otaku slang, something gimmicky. I don't think those morning streams are coming back.

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>>22290930
uyu is definitely a good design

[Anonymous No.]

>>22290930
Rio and Gamma have great designs, Fuma is boring but ok, Uyu got a faggy design instead of being a cool phantom thief so that is the only design I have a problem with

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>>22307540
But the fact that Temma does the most to appeal to western viewers and is also the slowest growth is not a good sign for StarsEN. Holostars biggest growth area is definitely their JP audience.

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>>22298541
>I think it has partly to do with Cover too
There's literally nothing stopping them from interacting with the Stars other than themselves. If they were so scared of schizo fans they would apply to Nijisanji/other agencies, or become indies. Cover has nothing to do with it other than that initial 6 month collab ban period, but for the western audience it effectively never existed since most of it started watching Hololive because of Coco, who debuted after the ban was lifted.
>Coco avoids male collabs and mentioning Holostars at all until close to grad
Also following what this anon said >>22303746. She never collabed with the Stars even before the Taiwan debacle, and the only one she spoke to was Kaoru but she started acting like it never happened a week after interacting with him, and that was around a month and a half before he was fired. I severely doubt this has anything to do with management because around that time Matsuri and Rikka had a 3D stream together (the first one between Hololive and Holostars).
>yet they're treated like non-persons to most of their coworkers
This same argument is always mentioned, but people still don't understand how none of them are forced to acknowledge the other branch. Hell, that doesn't happen in Nijisanji, and everyone is working on the same branch. Why would it happen on Holopro when they're 2 separated groups?

[Anonymous No.]

>>22311434
Actually the ome who made the most effort to appeal to westerners was Aruran technically and see where that got him.

[Anonymous No.]

>if you were [business] would you even bother [making money]
yes

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>>22313221
Aruran was pandering to EOPs which attracted fickle memelords who didn't stick around. Temma is actually trying to become fluent in English and the people following him are interesting in watching his progress. Pizza papa and Human breeder did not cater to the same people and the outcome is predictable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>22311434
His fastest incline was when he was doing english streams, his growth slowed down after he took a long hiatus

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>>22311705
>acting like it never happened she didn't need to speak about him 24 hours straigth anon

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>>22313379
Holostars are making money tho. With only nine members, they've been shitting out new merch every two weeks for these past year

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>>22250534
>good girls that revitalize interest in the branch
Why haven't people figured out that the drop in motivation and work ethic is likely a result of the reality of working for Hololive exceeding their expectations? You can get the most enthusiastic and cheery girls in auditions but there's no real way to know how they'll respond to having 10K eyes on everything they do, and a chat that's much harder to read. You'd think after getting two girls that went through imposter syndrome this would be more obvious.

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>>22316313
Who are you quoting? Also nice strawman.

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>>22249746
Yeah I'd still try it, they literally have nothing to lose.
>Nooooo the boys will be 2 views
That doesn't stop Holostars JP, so clearly they're willing to support them no matter what.

[Anonymous No.]

Yes, but no interaction with the girls allowed, and they're stuck on twitch.

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>>22292488

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>>22316994
The image that broke Oboretai.