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>>21949629
*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

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>>21964262
This one

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>>21964262
Not posting in the nijinigger thread

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Gold contenders?

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stop making duplicate thread
spamming/flooding is a bannable offense

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>>21964396
nothing so far

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>>21964470
Suck my cock

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lol not using the other one

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*YESTERDAY'S FINAL TALLY *

>53,422: Okayu (Hololive)
>47,573: Subaru (Hololive)
>42,536: Pekora (Hololive)
>28,290: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>23,851: Sonny (Nijisanji)
>22,919: Chloe (Hololive)
>19,514: Gura (Hololive)
>19,151: Matsuri (Hololive)
>18,728: Botan (Hololive)
>18,458: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>17,963: Lamy (Hololive)
>15,797: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>15,318: Miko (Hololive)
>14,478: Korone (Hololive)
>13,880: Hal (Neo Porte)
>13,500: Koyori (Hololive)
>13,398: Beni (VSPO)
>12,511: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>12,171: Shigure Ui (Indie)
>11,228: Calli (Hololive)
>10,657: Chihiro (Nijisanji)
>10,634: Mumei (Hololive)
>10,248: Moona (Hololive)
>10,074: Toko (Nijisanji)

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King of falseflags
>>21961078
>>21963591

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>>21961492
>Ui
She has a popular daughter that streams frequently and bounces off nicely with Subaru and other holos
>Nana
She also has a popular daughter but Ayame doesn't fucking stream
>Ayamy
Unfortunately, Mel isn't that popular and used to not stream all that much. But recently she's been streaming a lot and it's on track of inclining. Maybe it will lead Ayamy to incline though I heard she gets a lot of superchats from her "boyfriends".
who else?

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Gura is srill streaming, she is determined to beat the boss.

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Was bored and I suddenly remembered AkioAir existed (the anti-Hololive company).

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>>21964691
Tbf, most of them are actual nobodies bar Athena

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>>21964691
>anti-Hololive company
qrd?

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>>21964667
About that
I don't blame her that was kinda bs and she was really tired

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>>21964821
iirc, it's the company with the we're not idols fuck you disclaimer

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>2views seething about hololive again
how come she never mentions niji?

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>>21964881
why do you think

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>>21964881
>implying 2views visit here

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>>21964864
Irys jumped to 5.5k right now from a steady of 4.9k. I was wondering why the spike and then noticed that Gura stopped streaming

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>>21964874
So their Vshojo but on YouTube.

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Chocosen autism

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>>21964874
They had some weird "marketing" campaign on /vt/ where they kept attacking Mumei saying she was the inferior owl cause their owl used to be a combat medic or something.

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>>21965000
ABE LET ME IN PLEASE, I NEED TO SAVE HER

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>>21964658
Nana other personality is really succesful tho, and nana is bigger in blbl side than youtube

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>>21964881

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>>21965018
call her again, maybe she will pick it up this time

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so, any gold contenders scheduled already or nothing yet, it's 2pm in jst already

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>>21965034
how does she compare with Ui? I would imagine she can be more popular than Ui if she and Ayame play off each other more.

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What were the 2view's arguments even? Because the entire thing just
devolved to them trying say Suisei isn't a good singer.

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>>21964945
lol such a pathetically small funnel, typical when Gura ends.

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>>21965100
it's literally how every discussion with that schizo ends up, that's how we recognize them pretty fast

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>>21965100
Hololive bad

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What were the 2view's arguments even?

Because the entire thing just devolved to them trying say Suisei isn't a good singer.

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>>21965077
Another minecraft kino probably

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>>21965077
That one Niji 3D debut is probably the only scheduled contender thus far.

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am i having a stroke

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https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN/status/1511893169650036737?t=kdAqqJEIecIPgV1eIIPBqg&s=19

Ame is the first one to shill the new HoloEN merch.

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>>21965143
It's the game. Irys usually can sit easy at 6k-8k nowadays without funnel

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>>21963867
So SEA are the true /#/?

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>>21965198
> Clashing with Aqua apex.
> Gold contender

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>>21965198
male or female

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>>21965217
don't die anon
>>21965198
>>21965248
that's tomorrow
>>21965272
female VA trap avatar

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>>21965223
Kiara retweeted it and shilled it on stream.
Ina talked about how she was involved in the creation of the plushies on stream. Don't know about Twitter activities.

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>>21965143
Your shitposting aside, it’s 1AM EST and that was a 5hr stream. I’m sure most of those people are exhausted now after that long a session with their oshi

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>>21965300
>Didn't get catfished
Damn it.

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>>21965000
All those long hours streaming one game over and over again...
God, just think of the sex

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>>21965100
this is how you should shill your 2views >>21867316
don't put down others, just mention what your chuuba can offer and people who are interested will come to check them out.

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>>21965143
She's at 6.1k right now so that's about 1.1k showing up so far after Gura stream which had 13k watching her. Not bad

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>>21965096
Nana is bigger, standard successful seiyuu who has multiple album, lot of singles and her own radio show. She even invited "nana" and suisei to her own radio show like what tamaki usually does.

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>>21965313
It was the same time when 2-2.5k viewers shuffled over to Mori's Elden Ring stream last night wasn't it?

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>>21965358
If they actually use Mori as an inspiration instead of target for harrassment, they might succeed in life.

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>>21965452
She's now at 6.2k. Still slowly increasing by the looks of it so 1.3k

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>>21965438
holy fuck, I'm an ignorant fool. I didn't realize how stacked Nana is.

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>>21964821
>Some vtuber agency treats their talents like idols. At the same time, they may not be traditional idols; they still have restrictions on what their idol/talent can do. While we understand that this model has worked for them, we do not want to restrain our talent on such limitations. Considering that idol culture exists mainly in Japan, we believe it's better and more accessible for other cultures to embrace vtubers without being idols. You can still be an idol here if you really want, but beware, they often impose restrictions on whether their talent can be in a relationship or not to maintain the image of the skill being "untainted."

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>>21965452
Nah I don’t think so. I was asleep actually at that time so I’m not sure what exactly gave her that bump but from the looks of the times Mori got that spike at 2am where Gura had already ended by 11pm. So idk who funneled back then

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>>21965452
Gura had 19k watching her at the end. 2.2k moved to Mori. Today she has 13k still watching in the end of which 1.3k moved over. Which means 11-10% funnel for both instances. Pretty normal behavior

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>>21965607
I wonder when this anti-Hololive narrative started to infest the rest of vtuber industry?
A year ago, it was not that obvious but now every vtuber agency seems to treat Hololove like a sort of boogeyman.

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>>21965672
I'm guessing the people that was intending to watch Bae and Irys in Iofi's channel that was filtered by the crappy buffering funneled to Mori instead

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is the chart anon here? I'm curious to see if Roberu is inclining or not. it feels like his CCV is increasing albeit very slowly

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JANNIES = GODS

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>>21965802
because Hololive is a cancer in the community that must be excised. Every other vtuber agency and even indie communities show basic decency, but Holofags are the worst.

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>>21965692
Sorry if I was unclear. I was referring to last night's Mori stream which went from 9-11k as seen here: https://vrabi.net/video/sZ5sJavurd8
This happened right when the Monopoly collab ended here: https://vrabi.net/video/kZ1ncHR1X_Q

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>>21965817
Ohhh right that actually did happen. Yep I checked Iofi’s stream and it ended at 2am, so yeah that was the funnel

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>>21965802
Success breeds jealousy.

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>>21965955
999,998?

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>>21965955

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>>21965955
>Every other vtuber agency and even indie communities show basic decency
PFFFFTTTHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>21965802
It's because everyone knows that they will never collab or acknowledge you. People who want Hololive type content will only watch Hololive, not a knock off.

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>>21965802
If you can't be them, hate them

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>>21965802
counterprogramming
they know they can't get holo audiences since they're loyal only to hololive so must as well grab the people who hate hololive.

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>>21965970
It kinda does. For ENvtuber, Myth is probably at the top of the podium with all members getting a 3D performance on stage. Mori is just unmatched at this point with a brand deal, an album and a 1st ever Sololive for an EN vtuber.

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>>21965802
Unironically because SUCCESS BREEDS JEALOUSY

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>>21966054
So there's about 80 seething 2 views

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>>21965802
Success breeds jealousy. Small dog syndrome. Whatever you want to call it. At the end of the day it still just a bunch of 2 views who thought that if they can stain Hololive image then somehow their share on the market will get bigger.

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>>21966060
I know that a lot of Mori's former friends are seething. Who's still friends with her from her old circle?

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>>21966090
2views love to network, not because of friendship but because they will have 1 more pair of eyes for their stream.

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>>21965607
Then they should at least what their company's focus is, like VSPO is about competent gaming mainly focus on FPS. What this agency wrote is just a bunch of bullshit from marketing standpoint, too much words and show zero content about what they are lol.

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>>21965802
They are the hardest ones to replicate.

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>>21966136
> Open a new tab
> muted
> +1 view
gross

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>>21966132
There are those two zombies, they seem cool

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>>21966099
The problem is people who use this kind of tactic usually have shit personality and talentless

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>>21966060
>If you do art you'll get Crushed by Ina.
>Your events will be beat be Ame
>You will never be Gura.

EN vtuber will never live up to the standards Myth set

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>>21965802
It's weird because most of their talents watch holos, so it's clearly just management being retarded.

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>>21966132
That's their own fault.
Mori admitted that she tried getting them deals with her Hololive connections and they kept ghosting or rejecting her.

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it beats arguing with schizos all day but why does Mio make people so unbelievably horny? I swear they're not even miofams. they just see pic related and feel the need to breed. my take is that Cover is run by the Japanese government to get young people interested in hags to pump the birthrate up. why do you think Yagoo is close with these government-related programs. wake up sheeple

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>>21966152
>Then they should at least what their company's focus is, like VSPO...

Who? The only company that exists is Hololive

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>>21966190
Even with Council, it's still difficult match since Kronii, Mumei and Fauna can sustain on theur hseer personalities alone. Bae is an extrovert and Sana is pure Australian shitpost.

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>>21966227
Your take is correct

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>>21966217
Why did they reject her? Pride? Creative freedom?

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>>21966360
She is a corpo sell out and not a real musician like them.

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>millie is the biggest indie EN on youtube
>joins a corpo
>views go up by 3x

>Pomu is a smaller vtuber in Millie's orbit
>joins a corpo
>views go up by 10x

Does this mean pomu has more talent?

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>>21965802
just jealousy the hololive model works + brings the views, and the fact that they refuse to let other companies/indies get a piece of the pie makes them even more mad

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>>21966415
Excellent. 2 view EN vtubing is a fucking blight.

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>>21966227
Didn't read, but I want to have sex with Mio so badly.

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>>21966410
yes. pomu is holo-lite

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>>21966227
Sometimes you just see a wonderfully loving hag and feel the intense need to breed her and give her children before her eggs dry up

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>>21966448
got another one

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>>21966360
Pride. It's indie musicians, not surprising.
>>21966190
Funny thing about the Ame one is that she will get the credit for creating a trend even if she didn't.
As for Kiara, I don't know. I guess she knows how to hype up a crowd (Holofes/Dokomi concert comes to mind) and is a shill queen?

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>>21965607
>we don't have idol culture u-unless
this shit is so dumb, if you don't work with Idols don't make excuses trying to get some light in the bottle girl that wants to be an Idol, some business models need to have sacrifices is just that simple

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>>21966360
Nobody like her

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>>21966415
Even if they want, the Hololive model is fucking difficult as hell to replicate with live perfoemance, covers every other week and a bunch of other promotuonal stuff.
It might lose them more money than gain. Cover was lucky that their model took off so well due to sheer luck.

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>>21966360
Crab mentality. It's very prevalent to indie musicians and fuck corpo types. It's childish behavior.

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>>21966451
what does that even mean

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>>21966483
Kiara is the Heart of myth an a massive idol fag.

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>>21966410
Pomu is the prime almost-holo, who in a different circumstances already/will get in to hololive.

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It's especially funny when their ace got her exposure from being part of Chammer's schizo arc last year

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>>21966415
It's western zoomer mentality. They feel entitled to other people's hard work. No wonder communism is very popular there.

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>>21966360
Not to say that Mori had bad intention but the way she tried to shill her friends and those she care about is supper awkward (ex: that Rikka shill on her 3D live). I could see that they thought she was looking down on them and pity them.

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>>21966227
Anon, I am just a creature made by millions of years of evolution. It makes me want to breed Mio and there's no good reason to fight it.

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>>21966608
>almost-holo
what? What does that mean?
>already/will get in to hololive
Because hololive is known for hiring exceptional people like Sana.

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>>21965802
Is funny that at this point people just want hololive to fail so the bubble can pop and the indies get more views, but the reality is that nijis will get a share of the refuges and the most loyal hololive viewers will just move on with their lives

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>>21966619
For Akioair? It's the same vtuber with the same model. Hachama still follows her on Twitter.

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>>21966646
She applied, almost got in, but was rejected in the final interviews because she didn't have experience in streaming/content creation

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>>21966596
I'm reminded of the Shadowverse tournament and how Kiara managed to make that more entertaining than it had any right to be (by the end, the announcers were cheering for Kiara).
>>21966701
Wasn't that Finana?

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>>21966701
Yeah they reject a lot of good people actually. I can name a dozen talents that are better than what hololive has.

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>>21966701
Which character would she get? Ame? lol

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>>21966659
If hololive somehow fails, then it must be because of extraordinary circumstances. The vtuber market would be dead by that time.

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>>21966730
Kiara most likely.

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>>21966659
They better wait for a long ass time because this bubble is not going anywhere yet.
We already see Hololive slowly solidifying itself outside of the vtuber sphere. And it's happening across all branches. HoloID even got a big promotion with the largest comic book publisher in ID.

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>>21965438
>She even invited "nana"
What? Invited herself?

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>>21966753
Kiara already got accepted for JP5.

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>>21966007
I've seen more Agencies collectively shit the bed more often than not.

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>>21964396
#STARTEND still stream today

Easy Gold

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>>21966227
she has the characteristics of a MILF without being one. this makes me want to correct that injustice and make her a proper MILF

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>>21966773
So Polka is the reason why Pomu is stuck in Nijisanji.

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>>21966415
I usually hear that Western indies want to be like UI Mama- a Holo without restriction and able to freely collab with other holo. Dumbasses don't realize that were UI to behave like them and didn's retrain herself, management would have blocked her since long ago

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>>21966788
Back to back Aqua's gold?
It's boring when Aqua gets serious.

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>>21966773
Let's go to an alternate universe where Aloe was Kiara and Kiara was Pomu.
How will this turn out?

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>>21966831
>Aloe
Polka was the late comer

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>>21966815
It's retarded because Ui was already a pro before she became a vtuber (and only became one because of Subaru) as well.

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>>21966863
When Hime comos knocking on your door you open that shit

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>>21966646
Sana might not be the best chuuba, but hololive is lucky to have her. It's like if tom holland wants to starring in your college student film just because he likes the spidey meme you tagged him in twitter.

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>>21966818
It's pretty funny how the top position of Hololive has changed 4 times in the last 4 months.
It's almost like Cover has figured out a hack for their roster.

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So can Vox still get 20k in asmr streams or is this buff gone? there's a ''secret'' in the title to bait more people

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>>21967006
The hack is supporting your talent and let them develop.

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>>21966993
Funny enough, I can picture Tom Holland doing that since most of his high-budget films kinda fail while his low-budget films are really decent.

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>>21966924
Pretty much guaranteed when you think about it.
Friend of Yagoo and Sora. Upd8's #2 girl behind Kizuna Ai.
>>21967006
Feels like they take turns being at the top.

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>>21967006
Hololive's roster is too deep
When one is reclining, they can replace it with others that inclining and let her rest until back to her prime again

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>>21967030
is it in Chink hrs or Na hrs? 18k if chink, 9k if Na.

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>>21967030
CCVid has been hitting NijiEN hard lately. Adjusting for cull, he's getting 100k CCV for his ASMRs

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>>21967030
>So can Vox still get 20k in asmr streams
No,10K

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>>21966993
and Tom Holland ends up being the 1st grunt that goes down in a group fight, sure

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>>21967071
He has to fight with HoloID though, tough battle ahead kek

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>>21967030
In casual ASMR? Doesn't look like it. In fact it's kinda pathetic but Fauna mogs him in ASMR VODs pretty badly.
inb4
>v-vod cope
But ASMR is reusable content no? Of all streaming things this is one that should keep getting views.

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>>21966993
Sara is like Sana, but better in every single way. And she streams to 50 people every day.

This is the kind of thing people are talking about when they say that hololive is overinflated.

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Your schizo is going wild again.

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>>21967125
kek

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>>21967136
What makes Fauna's ASMR so replayable? Every of her ASMR video is bringing the bulk of her VODs.

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>>21966659
Hololive can only go tits up if they follow the example of UPD8 ie repeatedly fucking up for 2 years straight and squandering their largest talent while burning through all the good will they have. Your more likely to see Vshojo go up in flames due their business model resembling classic YouTube startups composed of content creators like the Creatures, Cow Chop, Vanoss Game Crew, etc.

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>>21967057
She was also a Hololive fan with a shot ton of connections.

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>>21967006
Niji isnt that different, one month they have kuzuha the other month its main channel turn

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>>21965607
In their defense, that's not even the most stupid take of their audition site.

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>>21965802
I've been seeing a lot more about their music as well. It's like the vsingerfags got tired of their dead threads and decided to go everywhere else shilling their garbage indies while shitting on Hololive.

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>>21967188
But they already are? Hololive has been bleeding money because of Yagoo's vanity projects.

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>>21967188
They have Polka on the payroll, they will never UPD8 themselves.

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>>21967253
I need source and numbers for that claim.

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>>21967265
Fubuki the canary will be the sign we need to look for if Cover fucks up big time.

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>>21967253
Isn't Cover one of companies that actually keeps significant stockpile of liquid assets?

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>>21967186
Makes for good background noise and it's pretty obvious that she puts a lot of care into them (there's hundreds of vtubers that just tap the mic or coom bait).
>>21967234
That's some pure jealousy right there.

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>>21967253
>vanity projects
Reminds me of all those closed Niji ventures.

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>>21967298
Read threads newfag. I'm not gonna spoonfeed you

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>>21967224
My favorite is the sus payment thing they have or the weird wording they have for the Collab part

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>>21966725
Name all of them then

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>>21966659
That's because these people think there is some innate need to watch vtubers and that's why people watch hololive.
Like nah bitch if somehow I managed to stumble upon a company of female only cam streamers that behaved like Hololive, I'd probably end up watching them. Hololive gives a full package in the streaming style: girls doing cute girl shit together, putting out songs and projects. No one is dying to jump ship to the thots doing nothing just because they got themselves a live2d.

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>>21967350
>I can't explain shit

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>>21967265
Polka isnt the only ex up8 in hololive. Up8 wasted lot of their chuuba's talents just to keep Ai alive is one of the funniest thing in this industry

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>>21967161
>Sara is like Sana, but better in every single way. And she streams to 50 people every day.

Sana truly is the sun, you can't compare her against anyone but herself.

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>>21966725
I'm also waiting for that list.
You can do 6 btw

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>>21954594
all the members streams have helped her build up a solid floor of people who will watch her play literally anything

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>>21967307
Foxes are strong

>>21967315
Yeah, they have enough to last for years.

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>>21965607
This agency is perfect for the seething 2views

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>>21966181
those aren't from her old circle, she made friends with them after becoming mori

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>>21967253
Pretty sure Cover as a company has been making mad profits to the point that they kinda have to do more projects.

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>>21967425
Wait who else?

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>>21967391
I think it's important to note that at least for Myth, all of them had their own "Idol journey". Just having a clear goal/objective tends to get the audience engaged (singing on stage for example).

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>>21967326
The vsinger thread were sad place where you could get some hilarious takes from anons.
>Nayuta: Amazing, great range and a must view
>AZKi: Meh. Average, outclassed by vsinger x, y,z

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>>21967350
ah, in your dream alright

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>>21967450
>Ends up with most chuubas being holofags

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>>21967458
The best thing about "waisting" money on side projects is that they can make them into costume for the talents.

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>>21967458
They has a big bank as their shareholder.

It might not as big as Sony's AnyKara but it's still big nonetheless

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>>21967479
>were
Hey, we are still alive!
And takes like this are usually shitposting

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>>21967462
Hyperactive Dog.

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>>21967484
Every English speaking Vtuber is a holofan, even if they don't want to be

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>>21967479
kek indeed

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>>21967484
>Ends up become the VTA of hololive.

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>>21967479
Tbf, some Vsingers tend to use a character voice compared to their PL channels. Laplus for example doesn't go ham with her loli voice in hers.

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>>21967554
I don't know if they are Holofan but I know that they want to have success like Hololive member

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967350
You know every numbers thread always start with numbers because not everyone have the time to keep up with information in a fast board, the least you can do is to link the thread and I'll do the reading. Or maybe you can provide the date or place where the information contains, a freakin' ambiguous lead is better than read the thread, because a claim than hololive is bleeding money should creates bait threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967208
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967504
At this point, the Holos themselves are making so much money that doing vanity projects are encouraged due to taxes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967554
Literally any indie will dogeza 1000 times for the chance of Mori/Gura giving them the time of day.And I did not say EN indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967507
>>21967504
Cover is in a position similar to what Nijisanji was a few years ago basically. Having too much money means they have to spend it on projects otherwise the excess cash causes a lower return on business assets. Idle money just sitting around is a waste hence an uptick in projects is happening and thus far the investments have been seeing promising returns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967571
Same shit different time different company

upd8 let 2 of chuuba go.
>having successful life under Hololive

Re:Act let 2 of chuuba (1 chuuba + 1 staff) go.
>having successful life under Hololive

Also

Nijisanji let a chuuba go.
>having successful life under Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

can this get gold? or shit lineup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urIUy-uyFgA

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967725
Anon.... #STARTEND will stream tonight.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are fulgur covid's number's so pathetic? He's being outclassed by fucking reimu, and after all that conceit too

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967714
>successful
>left to rot with no support and with frequent management interference
nice "success" you got there faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967125
he's losing again yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>21966701
>>21966725
Please provide timestamp/link of her mentioning this. /#/ take Nijifags's fact/takes with two-cent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967725
No need to check the line up, it's Aquapex day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967760
Seething much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967750
Don't you know Raindrops though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967633
he won't do that because he's just doing the "If I spam it enough people will start to believe it's true", but he doesn't understand that it doesn't work if you're trying to push something people don't want to believe in

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967690
Just collab with a company for a fighting game, that's the only thing I want from Cover at this point since almost all of my wishes for Hololive has been completed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967030
Vox been underperforming even with ASMR/Fujo baits he only have 10k-13k ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967763
It's still funny to me that most of Luxiem kept overlapping Sonny's birthday stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967350
>>21967253
SUCCESS BREEDS JEALOUSY

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967783
Raindrop was at 3k ccv yesterday... NijiFags say it's at least 30k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967763
AT this point, HoloID might be Vox's kryptonite. For as long as they stream, Vox will never get higher than them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967694
Cover seems to be conservative with their spending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21966184
If they don't have shit personality they will be busy grinding instead of shitting up their competitors

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967759
Fulgur is lucky posts about him kinda died down. Especially now that it's revelaed Fungus Chungus is a more fitting nickname.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967435
What's so special about it? And it turns into her weekly routine at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967934
GFE

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967787
He looks at how bullysanji and "Anykara is going bankrupt" rrats took root and thinks that all he needs to do is spam something often enough and hide behind the spoonfeeding excuse when questioned and it'll get taken as fact, except of course that's not how it works

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967763
Fungus is in a very baffling position where a huge chunk of his audience does not actually understand what the fuck he's saying, nor really care. Why then is he trying to fucking have WRITING streams, I don't understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967851
Cover is conservative at everything since they have a reputation to maintain. When you see they spend a ton of money on a project, they want to gain back as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967931
Don't disrespect Jonhtron's cousin like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967851
Their relatively conservative. Stuff like HoloAlt, Tech investments/development, and large events like HoloFes are proving to be paying off and the large amounts of deals their getting is getting them even more spending money.

The only venture I'm not exactly sure will go anywhere is HoloEarth and the whole Metaverse thing but even if that's a flop their other projects are looking to be doing well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967350

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967694
I think the main problem of Anycolor is they went hard to expand rather than consolidate their position. It's working for 2018-19 because they are on the top but when they are reclining start in 2020, we see how fragile is their position. Their expansion spree ended after Selejo is bombed.
Now they are consolidated their position but their moves will be more limited because one fault can be the beginning of the end of Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967234
>>21967479
The vsinger thread is super anti-Hololive. They will try to sell you on the fact that some tone deaf chuuba with smokers cough that sounds like Patty and Selma from the Simpsons is better than Suisei or IRyS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967350
Ah yes, it the classic Nijifags's take without any claims or evidences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967999
HoloEarth doesn't need to be a 10/10 game it just needs to be ok.

If they make in-game costumes and give them to the girls that would make it worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967999
HoloFes3 is probably the most that Cover has spent with the venue, mascots, and all of the cosplay outfits.
But the pay-off is so fucking sweet with all of the sponsorships and deals right now. Somehow, HoloID got a big share of this pie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967999
HoloEarth and Metaverse word unironically work in their favour because there are fans who wants to meet with their oshis. It's a given that the server is gonna be overloaded by people when one Holomember comes in, not to mention, if they decided to do a meet and greet stuff in that HoloEarth stuff. Shit be crazy. The amount of people who would meet one Holo member without actual contact is pretty enticing. It all boils down if they get competent Devs for it, else their money is going down the drain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968058
Wasn't a lot of their money reinvested in their AR tech?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968139
What's the use of AR tech when their concert is canceled?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967999
I think they invest HoloEarth because they see how successful their virtual concert is. They make HoloEarth a game as a bonus. Their main goal of making HoloEarth is for virtual concerts

[Anonymous No.]

>>21966415
>the fact that they refuse to let other companies/indies get a piece of the pie makes them even more mad
They Cover is a charity organization?

>>21966815
Tbf, Ui was famous even before she become a vtuber and she know the appropriate way to act. That's why she can maintain those connections

[Anonymous No.]

I want cover to thrown their money to "フランスパン" (2D Fighting game maker) and let them make a Hololive 2D fanmade fighting game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967750
Its tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968069
Reminds me of those Enna fags saying that their hydrochloric acid gargled, throat scraped with an aluminum brush, diva is somehow a better singer than everyone else. Her speaking voice is atrocious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968139
Probably, but the investments doesn't seem worth it when you could always rent an AR company for the tech to do yearly events.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968120
Metaverse seems like a logical solution if they want to be able to hold concerts without going through a 3rd party in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968195
True, why need 3rd party company when you can make your own VR Concert platform.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968114
It made Myth super motivated, made council exited about the future and made ID into equals without question. Plus all the money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965955
Is it possible to be this delusional? I'm afraid that this person is not in touch with reality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968069
The primer was funny since it added some samples for singers and took something from the start of 2020 for Watame - before she put serious time into professional vocal training. It was fairly obvious what sort impression they were trying to give.

[Anonymous No.]

Talking about Cover's investment made me realize that Anycolor hasn't done anything big as of yet on their side other than concerts. I'm predicting that they're gonna open their own mobage and pachinko soon with the help of Konami.

Also, it's been a week in April already, where's the fiscal reports?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968206
I'm surprised cover still hasn't made use of their 100+ original songs to make a mobile rhythm game. They're in bed with bushiroad for christ's sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968069
>some tone deaf chuuba with smokers cough that sounds like Patty and Selma from the Simpsons
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968285
With a bigger roster next year, HoloFes4 needs a bigger venue and a longer time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968206
Cover wouldn't make that kind of game, but they would ask a company to make it for them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967750
>>21967777
Why are there so many people who can't read dates? Startend is tomorrow, not today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968337
No one in particular. It was hyperbole to add emphasis on how they won't give Hololive singers credit for anything.

[Anonymous No.]

so niji quiz vs hal custom vs some random holo stream for gold today

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967549
it's hilarious that the other half of that combo went to Niji and then formed a strong friendship with a completely different holo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968340
Hopefully they let them cheer by then. The lack of cheering fucking sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968058
Yeah. I'm probably one of the more vocal (albeit polite) people who often voices their complaints about Anycolor's business strategy. Their debut strategy of releasing waves fast to see what sticks "works" but ventures like most of their side branches suffered a lot from their rapid expansion strategy. I don't know if they lacked the manpower to manage all their branches at the time, or they didn't have the budget/resources to dedicate to everyone, or if their overall management was bad, or all the above but it definitely seems like they overextended to the point that weren't able to support their side ventures by the end of 2020 and 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967750
The practice stream is on 8th though? Or did anyone from Startend actually said about them streaming today?
Even Suisei said she has stuff to do today from yesterday tweet https://twitter.com/suisei_hosimati/status/1511675576133697540

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968374
Time zones are stupid, we should only have one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967977
when has Gura ever GFE lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968462
t.poorfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>21966725
still waiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968423
Hololive Festival IV at TOKYO DOME

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968462
>a greynig
Yeah we get that 40k Karaoke Gura every members stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968397

niji quiz will probably take it, but it depends on what pekkers is playing too
no marine, suisei, miko, subaru for today

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967822
That wasn't the birthday stream. It was the SCs reading one.
Sonny Bday stream was the 25k o so Karaoke

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968096
>>21968114
>>21968120
>>21968195
That's all true I didn't factor in how HoloEarth could help with things like concerts or possible interactions with the talents and fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968423
Well they're opening the border soon, so probably by the end of this year or next year cheering will be allowed again provided there aren't any more variants of coof that's going full feral.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968478
I have tier 3 members and all I got was Gura laughing at my cock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968450
Just do everything on JST time. That's what tallies are on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968641
> 3
heh

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968364
They could probably just ask Arcsys or Frenchbread both those companies are pretty open when it comes to what subject they can make into a fighting game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968663
The brain auto sets to your local time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968501
I would do one better
Hololive Super Live at Yokohama Stadium 2025

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968641
Must have been a dream then anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968328
My bet is they are waiting to debut 3D Irys first, and they gonna make their 'newest' 3D Vsinger to promote all type of music related stuffs (including rhythm game) especially if they gonna target international market since Sora, Azki or foobs can't speak enough english, and the vanilla EN however successful they are with music (mori) still not branded as a Vsinger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968697
I don't want Sora to graduate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968688
Arcsys is plenty busi with a lot of games, it might be too difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965802
>anti-Hololive narrative
I swear you retards are mentally ill.
To convey the ideas that Hololive run the industry but yet they are the oppressed ones. You must suffer double-speak.
You fucking morons will turn Hololive fans into the new Call of Duty fanboys

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968724
When IRyS gets 3D she will never go back to live2D

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967983
That's like the majority of luxiem fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968730
What about french bread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968741
SUCCESS BREEDS JEALOUSY

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968326
Anycolor as late has been mostly trying to consolidate and downsize a bit so they can more easily manage things.

[Anonymous No.]

What in the world happened to Petra?
She has declined while her partner Anya is enjoying an unprecedented incline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968741
this "anti-hololive" thing doesn't even exist, most indies and corpos suck off Hololive to leech

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968788
Woman in nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968741
What other vtuber company is Idol focus?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968757
As a day 1 IRyStocrat, yes, absolutely. She us too PON to set up 3D everyday and that would take time away from her 6 hour streams (with 3 of those hours coming after she says "lets wrap it up soon guys).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968788
No men in her VC

[Anonymous No.]

Never thought I would have fun talking about business and profit speculation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968058
So... this is something that I've long though about. Nijisanji isn't really an "idol group" but they do have idol wannabes among them, along with comedians, weirdos and all sorts of other talented types.
Other than expanding the roster, how could they have "consolidated" their position in the industry? For a chuuba idol group, 3D = concerts and shit, but for Niji it always ends up just fooling around with games you play irl - but on stream.
Myth had this as well, but those streams were organized by the talents themselves and were not on the "holo official" channel. They official stuff was the "serious 3D", the singing, the dancing etc.

If you were Nijisanji in 2019, how would you consolidate your group of streamers and what "next level" would you be able to reach with them in 3D?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968788
Anya is Japanese and Petra is Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965802
>Taiwan yab happens
>Every group distances themselves from Holobox to keep China in good terms
>Holo closes their box only letting in few friends
>Holoboom happens
>People seethe because Hololive is not collabing with their company even after they abandoned them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968866
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968844
welcome to the /biz/ in /#/

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968866
This one

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968773
Only in your SEAnigger schizo mind.
Literally everyone looks up to Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968692
you can add clocks on windows so you have your local time and another one showing you jst time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968864
That's tough. Maybe split the Talent into multiple groups based on what they wanted to focus on. A group for idols, a group of jokers and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

lucas's minecraft keep declining. He needs to find something new. he seems out of the luxiem circle right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968864
Create units from the people who were serious about being more than just a streamer and push them. You’ve got some talented people pretty much just rotting away at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968788
Petra debuffed herself to oblivion by being a no-lewd prude, streaming at bad hours, bad games, defending Chinese taiwan, etc.
Anya is Hololive, therefore easy mode.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PAeFZSaRH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PAeFZSaRH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PAeFZSaRH4
Is Luna getting 6k at this time normal? I though she's the night type

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968543
Peko is taking a day off too

[Anonymous No.]

HoloEN3 will only eat away at the existing HoloEN fanbase, they arent growing anymore and just subsist off the same audience at this point meanwhile NijiEN only continues to grow each month since Luxiems debut, yes even the women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968977
iirc they did have this divide, SEEDs for the weird ones, Nijisanji for the core folks, and Gamers for gaming content.
I guess you're saying they shouldn't have combined the branches, or at least split them in a way that made sense content-wise?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969012

wtf
niji gold then LOL
no big hitter streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968844
The side effect of talking about numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968864
I personally wouldn't have bothered expanding into other markets outside ID initially for starters. KR, IN, Yumenographia, etc were just resource sinks at worst to absolutely vestigial at best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969030
People said this with council and id3

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968996
Yeah but the Niji fanbase is incredibly toxic and would gatekeep talents from doing any "idol like" activities. There are a lot of niggers who think that a fan is an incel just because they want to see the girls doing cute things instead of twitch memes and collabing with obnoxious faggots who promise to be gay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968069
it's funny because /vsinger/ residents lurk here. i see (you) nagase poster on here all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969030
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

With no big streams going maybe Noel's Elden Ring stream balloons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968757
The only thing that would make her go back to her 2D is if her 3D model is somehow uglier than her normal one

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969009

no it's not. she is streaming way early than her usual

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969118
There is no way cover makes that mistake twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969107
Very slight chance for Noel and Sheep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969085
If anything, they should’ve had a game plan before entering those markets.
It seems like they just had the idea of trying to replicate Japan (flood the market). Granted, Hololive didn’t have much of a plan either but it seems like with ID3 that those three were chosen specifically to cater to the locals while also appealing to foreigners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969053
Basically yeah, but make is so you can change your group.

I think 774 does something like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968982
dont worry. little by little they will fall into the same kind of content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SU-lNu82PM

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968864
This kind of thing is broadly what units are supposed to be for. However niji make that divorced from normal activities by putting that stuff on dedicated channels or the main channel or by just simply being poorly focused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969030
HoloFes unironically gave every branch a booster shot in the arm and put a lot of interest onto it's weaker branches. With ID3 appearing to be a breakout hit and the many large deals occuring Hololive is looking pretty good in terms of future growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21966659
>just want hololive to fail
Can hololive even fail at this point?
I don't think it would fail even if one of their top talents make some sort of big yab except if it turns out that big yab involved most of the talents
I wonder if a big yab that involved Yagoo could make Hololive slowly dying

[Anonymous No.]

no Marine, no Startend, no anniversaries or birthdays
Could be a wide open race tonight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968864
>If you were Nijisanji in 2019,
Fun fact: They debuted 44 vtubers in 2019 alone
So first of all, cut that numbers first because they are already have 61 vtubers debuted before

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967350
>read threads
LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969310
Jesus, those numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969179
I agree for KR but IN was honestly not a good idea at all. While the India has the largest population they don't really have any interest in Vtubing for entertainment. The market there just doesn't really exist in any significant capacity. Yumenographia was never going to become big just due it's nature as a business venture especially during 2020 and 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968864
2019 was too late for them, anon. The merger of normal Niji + Gamers + SEEDs happened by the end of 2018, and even by that time they already spread their members for too wide. They could've probably stopped expanding right around 1st SEEDs wave and try to fortify their foundation more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969030
StarsEN will eat away Luxiem/Noctyx's share and it's not a bad thing for EN3 to come since council and myth has sparse schedules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969355
being connected to the heros of Taiwan may give StarsEN a decent boost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969290
A Yagoo yab in itself wouldn't do much but Yagoo just not being at the helm at all for whatever reason would definitely hurt it since someone else taking the reigns as CEO could vastly change Hololive's approach as a business.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969086
>council
nobody said this, but more competition exists now
>ID3
holofes buff and spotlight
>>21969098
cope
>>21969225
holofes buff wont reach EN3
>>21969355
StarsEN won't even compete with NijiENs males please stop being delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968864
The main problem with Nijisanji is that they got too big too fast. They were big from the beginning. People really connect with Hololives rags to riches story but it isn't just a superficial story.
Nijisanji didn't know what to do with their initial success and instead of investing more in their first wave or two they just kept debuting chuuba after chuuba. If you think ACCELERATE is bad now, look at 2018/2019. This led to people tuning out on the newer debuts and just setteling in on their favorites which led to the "Nijisanji can't create new stars" thing you have today.

So, if I was Nijisanji instead of debuting dozens of shitters after our immediate success I would have slowed that shit down and invested more in the individual chuuba. I would make it so Nijisanji is their career and none of them have to have a traditional job to make ends meet. This would lead to more motivated talent, more creative projects, more generational unity, and higher morale. Now you can say that I am applying Hololive standards to Nijisanji but, for an entertainment agency, the talent being in good spirits is just as important as any customer satisfaction.

Look at the 3D debut today. An early generation shitter that nobody knows about. Who us another early generation shitter? Roboco! Yet, despite her viewershit approaching shitter tier, her name recognition is strong as fuck. Everybody knows who Roboco is. That is the main difference. Invest in your talent, appreciate your talent, you are nothing without your talent. This is what Nijisanji didn't get at the beginning. They have gotten better at this over time, but the damage was already done. We are looking at a position where every member of Hololive could potentially have 3D while Niji still has a waiting list going back for years.

[Anonymous No.]

Shuba stream up, it's now the best chance to beat the NijiQuiz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7hsYZr2Kec

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969483
>27 waiting
No one cares about Reddit duck

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969483
Kek, why is that Shuba thumbnail always looks like she's freaking tired

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969523
She came like 5k away from beating Okayu's reverse totsu which is crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969559
She leeched of Pekora's popularity and stoled her medal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969456
Not to mention, Nijisanji today has to content with both VSPO and NeoPorte with strong backings.

Hololive, on the other hand, is pretty competition-less since their model is so hard to replicate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969604
>stoled
SEA hands typed this

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967931
STOP BODY SHAMING

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969444
What makes you think Hololive will stop growing in audience by EN3. For that matter why would you think they would eat away at each other? Box pushing and funnelling is what makes Hololive not do that in the first place.

NijiEN has more members than EN as a whole and by your words their doing well even with current numbers being lower than HoloEN so EN3 similarly should be fine. Adding EN3 in fact only gets them to 15 members so that's still less than current NijiEN meaning theirs still a lot of viewers to go around if NijiEN can manage with 19 members with it's current numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969456
is there a JP holo gets less numbers than rbc?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968864
I agree with you if it's about Yumenographia, and all the other oversea crap but do you really think that they would be more successful if they had invested in Suzuya Aki instead of debuting more new members? In 2019 alone they found: Sanbaka, Gibara, Lulu, Ars, Roa, Kagami, Fuwa and Hoshikawa. I highly doubt that Suzuya Aki would ever live up to those talent no matter how much money they throw at him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969456
Yeah, flooding the market early on is pretty smart since the market itself was stupidly tiny, so you get brand recognition almost automatically. But then instead of strengthening their hold over the market they decided to flood it even more, this is the part I don't understand the reason for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969675
Maybe Mel pre-grind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969531
She made this her default thumbnail after getting shit on for a year about her thumbnails all being sameface lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969456
all their first-mover failed.

Niji shanghai/tw? dead
ID? dead end up merging
KR? same as above
IN? dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969658
Cover and Hololive are already at their New Game+ stage with Twitch accounts being created. This means that HoloEN3 might get access to a new Twitch audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969675
Isn't Sora now the lowest median holo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969756
Sana

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969658
I actually know a lot of people that started watching after Irys and Council debuted. Lots of newcomers. EN3 can potentially inject new viewers if they actually cater to new genres atleast. ID3 certainly attracted a new crowd to Holo ID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969456
>Niji 3D today is a shitter that nobody knows
>Roboco is a shitter too but everybody knows who she is
Really excellent point. Holokive certainly has their own issues but giving oppurtunities for even their bottom tier talent to shine is certainly not one of them. Their boxpushing is stronger than most actual idol agencies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969310
jesus that's almost the entire roster of HoloJP...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969681
>...do you really think that they would be more successful if they had invested in Suzuya Aki

Maybe not them exactly, but if they fostered their talent properly they could turn some of them into gems.

[Anonymous No.]

Hololy having a maintenance today. Will they be adding EN and ID?

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1511961975810494465?t=YJzKZBDiRfOpAR_s4xKJMA&s=19

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969881
Maybe just Mori for EN. She is the only one to debut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21968724
>IRyS
>promote
She needs learn how to promote her songs first

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965607
I mean... Being vtubers don't inherently mean you have to be a virtual idol, no? I think it has been like this since its inception? It's just that it was whar Hololive originally aimed for. What's with this "ohoho we ain't idol agency" like... Huh?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969911
She is getting a little better at it. She shilled her merch on stream today

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969940
That's because the two biggest face of vtuber industry, Kizuna Ai and Hololive, are idol-like so most of the sentiment comes from them.

However, that agency is stupid for taking cheapshots like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969940
You are correct on the JP side, but in the west Vtuber and hololive basically mean the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Now that it seems that Cover is serious about Twitch, how do you think this will affect vtubers there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970053
If Hololive blows up on twitch, expect more idol like activities from them.

[Anonymous No.]

As it gets later and later into the early morning hours for NA time and closer to chink hours its amazing to see Selen's viewership trending down but Luca's trending up. The NijiEN chink fans really don't give a single fuck about the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EleUUhsDT0g

well here's something to show to complete newfags who don't know about the existence of falseflags, kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969290
>Can hololive even fail at this point?
Not really. Cover did a really good job at making the vtubers feel more than just streamers with an anime avatar. It's idolm@ster/lovelive becoming vtubers. Not even firing individual talents affected them in any way.
The only way for them to fade away is if a new company revolutionizes the industry with superior tech (VR, AR, metaverse) while Cover fails to catch up to the new tech trend

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970121
All the male chinks are Hololive fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969431
I mean like a really bad scandal that would actually paint Yagoo as the bad guy.
While a lot of holomems shit talked Yagoo a lot on streams, you can see they respect Yagoo to a certain extent.
Holofags also really like Yagoo.
So, I wonder if that case ever happened, would it make holomems demoralized really bad and holofags lost their trust in Cover's brand? Not to mention the shit flinging from competitiors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970094
Can cover use the bathtub streaming tag for Hololive Summer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969701
Mel gets good numbers now though, occasionally 10k.
>>21969756
doesn't Sora get around 3-5k?

RBC gets around 3k as well though.

[Anonymous No.]

King lol why…

[Anonymous No.]

LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970172
Interesting take... Does that mean Holo Summer is coming back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970168
Yagoo doesn't seem like the type to do anything stupid to the talents. He always goes out of his way to please them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970138
>The only way for them to fade away is if a new company revolutionizes the industry with superior tech (VR, AR, metaverse) while Cover fails to catch up to the new tech trend

Why would they waste money on making it when they can buddy up with the big tech dogs and have them do it for them.

[Anonymous No.]

KING playing league.. why

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970191
The fact that Fauna rating Fruits and Veggies is equivalent to this is both funny and depressing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970191
Oh fuck! That's in the slippage territory.
Is Kobo going to stream today?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969851
But it works the other way around too. The day when Kuzuha and Mito retires, they have plenty of mid-tier talent ready to immediately fill the void. As someone stated before, they plenty of talents with the potential to be stars but simply don't have the "spotlight bandwidth" to share with their current big names. Someone like Lauren who is skilled in games and entertaining can easily become the next Kuzuha (assuming that he recovers from the current yab). Suzuya Aki and Moira will never amount to anything.

[Anonymous No.]

no one posting news lately, fucking hell. Anyway template got 1st on mora weekly anison ranking. why anison though?
https://twitter.com/LisAni_NEWS/status/1511637586976165896

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970210
Based on the kind of content I see on Twitch, Hololive Summer is probably the most vanilla.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969675
>>21969756
>>21970180
Here’s the 1k+ ranking for March

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970172
They don't need to. Just have their background be a beach and it's perfectly fine to twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970236
Fauna rating food has 11k viewers? That is kinda higher than what I expected though. Is she inclining?

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>>21969704

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>>21970264
>that color scheme
For the love of god somebody please change it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970240
Nippleboi...He had so much potential...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969881
>Will they be adding EN and ID?
possible tho i doubt it.seems like you can opt out of having your character added? cause there is still no Flare or Korone in the selection

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970247
Even Melty kiss at its worst is more tame that some of that shit.

Can't wait for the malding from Vtweeters when they see those bikinis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970264
ah so Roboco is the lowest median ccv JP

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>>21970294
Holy kek, that is hliarious

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970264
ah cheers, still roboco then.

[Anonymous No.]

KOBO HAS PASSED SANA

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969290
>Can Holo even fail at this point
They already are. Especially after Coco and Rushia has shown what a black company it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970287
Tier lists in general are buff content for some reason. Food tier lists specifically are a hot commodity

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>>21970287
>is she inclining
No, she had always been pretty strong. She is the Ina if Council. She will rarely top the charts but she is consistent as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970318
Yeah Suisei opted out of having her model added to hololy

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970225
I'm not talking about live concerts, but normal everyday streams. Let's say hololive keeps using their current live2d, but a new company appears with a 2D avatar that can move 360º and has full body tracking, or the VR/AR tech improves and they are the first to optimize for VR/AR streams

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>>21970349
Eh de nah dayo did it finally congrats to her!

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>>21970349
Kobo has tied Sana.
How many NijiEN girls are ahead of Kobo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21969304
I believe Pekora and Miko also taking a break today
it could end up being one of those day where 20k get a gold......

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970349
Same for NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970365
>Can Nijisanji even fail further at this point
They already are. Especially after how low effort they did for their management and reselling graduated Liver's mech has shown what a blackest black company it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970349
>all Yagoo needed to get into the ID market was cunny

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970440
specifically blue cunny, doubles the power

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970329
>>21970326
Here is a funny thing: there is another robot that has almost the same median as Roboco, debuted right around her too
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Weatheroid_Type_A_Airi

But that doesn’t get even close to the name recognition of /our/robot.
It’s from the same weather channel that “news host goes from cherry to serious in 3 seconds when a earthquake hit” vital lady belongs to.

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>>21970383
You put too much value in the model. Is it important? Sure, but the qualities of the streamer are much more impactful. IRyS is great example of this as she managed to foster a fanbase of hardcore devoted goslings despite that model. She is consistent as fuck too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970440
Blue women did it again

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970365
You made me realize only 2 mainstay JP members in the past 2 years have actually left. That's actually surprisingly good for a company with as many Talents as Hololive has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970349
Actually Sana would have had +150k if she didn't get culled

[Anonymous No.]

Luna could have been one of Niji's top talents by now if they just treated her properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970349
I'm just waiting for Kobo to pass Vox.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970430
Kobo gonna pass them like in 8 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970383
That's a if. Cover has been working on their 3d stuff for a while and now they have INNK's studio.

Even if a company did have godlike tech, they wouldn't replace hololive the same way Sony didn't replaced Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.]

Is anyone excited that we might see Kobo performing with her guitar in a 3D concert in the future?

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>>21970471
Only 2 of the most popular, most successful and highest earning members mind you.
Hololive is done this year - no amount of "projects" is going to replace the amount of money they lost by firing Coco and Rushia.
And I say they deserve it

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>>21970381
yeah saw her missing as well after i did my post. the whole app is a bit funny in its implementation. they restricted the camera so you can't just check the girls underwear but moving the camera behind them and doing a pose easily lets you see it for the ones with a skirt

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>>21970245
GO SUISEI

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>>21970495
Kobo might pass Vox in 1 or 2 months and the fujos can't stop it.
It's funny that even since Kobo debuted, VOx has never been able to pass her in CCV.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970564
lmao good bait, they're already beginning to make up for it with HoloFes and the ID incline.

[Anonymous No.]

let's talk about unusual number topic

both posted shortly after the collab ended
but why the number interactions are different, almost doubled

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970549
Yes
Kobo is a legit superstar and I can't wait to see what she has in store for us.

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>>21970599
Mumei is more popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970599
cute post vs "haha mumei you cray cray"

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970564
back to jp mikekeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970599
Mumei's pic is funnier and references a funny moment. And her twitter is just more popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970564
>Hololive is done this year
I see you keep your hopes up, “dead bounce” anon

[Anonymous No.]

How did this happen? Indogs are actually competing with EN vtubers and winning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970599
Mumei is more popular. Not that complicated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21965802
The name sounds similar so I looked, yeah, it was the one that tried to shoot at Hololive (or other VTuber groups in general) a few times in their recruitment page
>We never punish our talents for actions they did not do intentionally. Instead, we will try to shield them from cyber attacks and do our best job protecting our talent's sensitive information
>On the other hand, our member understands Chinese and is well informed about the Chinese culture thus knows how to deal with potential attacks (or better how to avoid them) when it comes to some extremists.
Their recruitment page was what made me stay clear from them, no matter how good their talents might be

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>>21970592
LMAO
Your head's already up Yagoo's anus if you think that's enough money to make up for losing the 1st and 2nd most SC'd Youtubers ever RORU RUMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970630
You'd think it would be the other way around considering their sub count. And how it was posted in EU time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970564
Ah yes another NijiFags, care you provide citation/timestamp/links on your take?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970564
See you around next year sister

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>>21970264
>Mysta Vox and Luca continue to incline each month
>Moris 3D buffs wont keep lasting
>Inas Elden Buff wont last forever
only a matter of time before holoENs only saving grace is Gura

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>>21970308
He was by far the fastest rising star in niji based on how many people respects his Apex skill and listened to his God-ish cover.
Now he's set back but I still don't see anyone else as promising as him among the new debuts.

[Anonymous No.]

yeah yeah, Hololive will surely fall next week

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970646
Truth be told, for reasons I wouldn’t be privy (because I don’t watch them), Elira seems to be the NijiEN with the steepest recline this year.

Anyone knows why?

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>>21970652
Hoomans don't sleep.

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>>21970460
>You put too much value in the model. Is it important? Sure, but the qualities of the streamer are much more impactful.
Tech and models play a huge part in the success and being able to keep up with new tech trends is crucial to stay relevant.
Given the chance to choose between a png and a live2d streamer, the majority would check the live2D first and only a handful would check the inferior png streamer.
Well, what I'm talking about is another tech leap that makes the current live2D look like pngs

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>>21970693
She didn't suck Vox and Mysta's dick as hard like Nina

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970649
SC money is a drop of piss in the vast ocean of sponsorships, holofes and merch

[Anonymous No.]

so, the actual /#/ is around JST primetime right?
this is one is so stupid

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>>21970704
Gura has 3.9 mil subs and has the worst model and rigging for EN Vtubers
no one gives a shit about the model or the "personality" - people only care about what brand the Vtuber is in and eat it up like it's the best shit

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>>21970749
Don't give him more (You)s.

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>>21970564
>Most Popular
Aqua and Pekora are still here what are you talking about :p
But seriously though outside Supachat earnings Rushia and Coco weren't exactly the "biggest" Holostreamers. Going by actual numbers the top JPs were Pekora and Aqua since Coco's streams outside Meme Review and Asacoco were typically sub 10k. Rushia was typically in the middle of her gen in terms of her numbers.

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>>21970649
thinking that SC even matters anymore, RORU RUMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970754
yes

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>>21970754
>Need SEAniggs to make the thread better

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>>21970478
She had long headstart though

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970754
3pm Chink/SEA time. Go figure

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970649
Hi rimjob anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970687
Here is a series of posts on the subject from yesterday
>>21949267
>>21948830
>>21948140
>>21947296
>>21947693

Luxiem is more then Mysta and Vox and, as it is, they have yet to catch up and overtake Council, let alone Myth

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>>21970478
and yet she can't recover that number

[Anonymous No.]

What happened to Elia daisenpai? Is she really dropping that low?

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>>21970774
>middle of her gen in numbers
>her gen has Marine and Pekora
no fucking shit, Rushia was still insanely strong for "middle" of the pack of her gen but still far above most in her company. In november Rushia had a 20k CCV average im pretty fucking sure.

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>>21970754
pretty much, this thread is fucking worthless outside of 7pm jst to 1am jst, and after tally is posted, it's back to being worthless

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970646
HoloENfags realized ID exists. They will watch it when no one is streaming.

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>>21970687
Let me know when Vox and Mysta get multiple songs with 10 million views with one of them hitting 30 million.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970873
that she inflated through gacha and gimmick streams and bullying everyone out of her slot, as soon as others started she would drop below 10k and she wouldn't even get to SCs yet

[Anonymous No.]

So is HoloID the true competitor for NijiEN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970829
Also, for those who missed, the combined charts, start from >>21939710 and walk backwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970873
Anon said most "2 most popular" I promptly corrected them. I'm not discounting Rushia's numbers either.

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>>21970888
It's 1-4 am in burger time. That is pure SEA numbers

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>>21970649
>Yagoo's anus
Oh, its you but I'll humor you. Gen 6 negated the loss. Both Koyori and Chloe are hitting 100k a month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970546
>>21970430
>>21970495
313k ALREADY HAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970829
>Luxiem losing to Council.
Must suck to be doing worse than the group that didn't do as good as they expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970478
AAAIIIIEEEEEE
NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970478
she has 5 months headstart and still cannot grow properly, still looks pretty bad

[Anonymous No.]

This is just sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970764
What part of tech leap you didn't get?
Gura is still using live2D tech, some with better rigging, some with worse rigging, but it's still live2D tech with limited range of movement. Visuals play an important part in the popularity of a vtuber, just look at the difference in subs between holos that debut at the same time
You wouldn't choose a png over a live2D, just like how a new viewer wouldn't choose the hand puppet looking live2d if there's a new tech that is more immersive

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970977
Nice one Kobo, but you still need to eat your veggies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970829
That's an interesting chart. No tribalism intended, but I genuinely thought Myth and / or Council were reclining a little bit in term of numbers. Turns out that they both are still inclining since CCVID / pre-CCVID

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>>21970977
Holy shit, she might pass Vox in a month. Is this the Gura effect for ID?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971018
I'd be interested in how many are new viewers vs returning old ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970977
Who is this girl and where did Cover find her? She is going to be the Gura of ID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970920
How about at least 1 video to 1 million because neither even achieved that yet somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971018
That's why you don't doubt Yagoo. When you doubt Yagoo, you're fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971002
Reine beats them with the last two numbers only.

>>21971004
Hololive just revealed their 3.0 and that shit looks great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971065
They'll get it with their snowballing challenge. Just you wait.

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>>21970971
LOL.
Get the fuck out of here if you think these whores will ever replace the 1st and 2nd most SC'd youtubers.
If anything, they'd never even come close to them because Coco and Rushia's old fans will never touch anything Hololive related ever again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971062
They found her outside her Middle school.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970948
yeah sorry just felt like the comment downplayed her a bit too much even if you were fully correct in correcting the retard. Rushia was a real big loss honestly granted she was dangerous

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971002
Nijisanji simply doesn't care about its talents. Perform or die. There is no box to save you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971015
>>21971044
>>21971062
ID Gura coming for Vox's anus

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970951
x hour is not x numbers
you think there's only sea and jp in holojp too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971096
Orca found his Orca

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>>21971096
*sends red SCs on every Chloe's streams*
Heh, nothing personnel

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971096
This isn't even good bait, anon. At least put some effort in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971086
No joke though I assumed they already had a 1 million view video/vod because of how much they were hyped up. Anya atm unironically has a higher viewed VOD (her debut) than both Vox and Mysta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971138
if she can keep up 7k a day sure. but Vox is still growing at like 4.5k a day or something. that'd be a long climb.

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>>21971121
>doesn't care about its talents
>moved ID and KR to the main company to protect them from bullying culture and useless management
>gave 3D models to talents despite them not hitting the requirements because UNITY
>features all branches in projects
RORU RUMAO. Just because Hololive leaves their side branches to rot doesn't mean every other company does too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971198
>moved ID and KR to the main company to protect them from bullying culture and useless management
is that really what happened nijinigger?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971080
>Hololive just revealed their 3.0 and that shit looks great.
And that's my point, they won't become irrelevant unless they get complacent and stop improving the tech.

[Anonymous No.]

>21971198
You can do better than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970460
>hardcore
IRyS is the most blatently sexual vtuber in Hololive. That makes up for the model debuff.

[Anonymous No.]

How long did it take Ollie to get 300k? I know that she was accumulating subs pretty fast because of the hype around her and the EN booat at the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971139
So the EU?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21967449
>Not really. the RM's of BV collabed with DD on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRjBv4j6aEs

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971192
There are arguably more ID that can sub to Kobo than CN with Vox. She will surpass Vox eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971138

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>>21970829
I just realized that Luxiem already stagnated even with them spamming celebration streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>21970829
>nijiEN girls 2k average
>council 4x higher average

[Anonymous No.]

>21971198
too obvious, try again

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971256
25 days after debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971308
If you condition your audience to expect celebration streams all the time, they are not going to watch your normal streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971138
>>21971138

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971138
Why does the blue color attract so many numberschizos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971313
It feels like an all-out war right now.....and we're losing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971375
Kobo reached it in 10 days, less than half that time, crazy incline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971313
>council 4x higher average
Didn't know 4x of 2k is 0 RORU RUMAO

[Anonymous No.]

Okay guys, what if after the collab ban ends, the first HoloEN collab from Kobo is Gura?

Are we...ready anons? Should we be ready?

[Anonymous No.]

why is it replying to me? fuck these hours are horrendous

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971443
She really might be ID Gura. Hopefully she reaches out for collabs unlike EN Kobo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971470
Yesterday 's ID Minecraft collab was Temporary lift or it's already over?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971470
it'll probably be Kiara reaching out first because Kiara is simping hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971375
Yoooo. And Kobo debuted like 10 days ago. She basically beat Ollie in half the time. Hell, we could start counting from their debut announcement and that would still mean that she got to 300k in 2 weeks. This girl is definitely dangerous. If she can keep a median of at least 5k she would be ID's undisputed queen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971514
It was a temporary. They wanted all of ID to celebrate their anniversary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971514
special permission for a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971517
Lamy night cuck Kiara of Kobo's first time

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971002
I shit on niji as a company, but I've no ill will against the talents. Its just sad.

Also all those nijicope about "merging' into main branch saving them. ID and KR has been left out to dry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971165
There are some people that like to shout VOD cope when you bring up the disparity between CCV and total views but we already know that CCV doesn't display the actual viewers.
Couple that with the fact that outside of certain types of streams or VODs getting recommended everywhere, most views come from live viewers and you can tell that they aren't as much more popular as their CCV sometimes makes them out to be.

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>>21971540
From what I’ve read from indos, the reason is because she’s a “chum jar” tier of memester, but local Indonesian memes.
Being savvy about what the youth knows but that grown ups don’t is a huge advantage because it creates a feeling of “ingroup” on those already in and FOMO on those outside

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971421
It's funny since the only place that acts like there is a war is these boards. You know those retards are in here shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971470
Hopefully they do a cover song. An Indonesian song.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/kujouitiso/status/1511885036399710208
Pomu...

[Anonymous No.]

Does Hololive or Nijisanji have Falcom permissions? I just want to see a vtuber play Ys especially since Ys VIII, the greatest game of all time, just got announced for PS5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971593
so you're saying she's basically ID Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971593
So exactly like Gura. She is dangerous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971593
Yeah, you can feel it based on how she speaks. What about Kaela? Does she appeal to older Indos?

[Anonymous No.]

what are holoID averages for gen1/2 looking like since Holofes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971617
become

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>>21971609
I used to believe that too, that the behind the scenes in the companies was “just doing our jobs, competitors of today are just our business partners in the future” but then that tiny sliver of Discord leaked and now I can only imagine what’s *not* in the leak

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971198
>gave 3D models to talents
did their IDs get 3D already? Thought they needed to clear 100k subs for it and iirc one of them was lagging behind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971618
Is the new Ys game out yet? If so, I think that they are trying to get permission.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971664
Yeah, that discord leak really blew the lid off everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971701
Not a new game but they just announced that Ys VIII is coming to PS5. I've been an Ys fan since the beginning and Ys VIII is the best one.

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube is having some kind of issue again, all the streams that started in this timeslot have funky graphs while the older ones are pretty much fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971617
ehhh Pomu's a unityfag so she's probably ok with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971664
>I can only imagine what’s *not* in the leak
If a non cherrypicked chatlog already showed that much, the part not shown would probably be /vt/ tier

[Anonymous No.]

IRyS just mentioned that she uses Hololyzer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971786
ive seen people mention a few jps use it for superchat readings

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971779
>Unityfag
>"It's like an all out war"
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>ID#3 is more popular than council
why bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21971779
>it's like an all out war

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>>21971786
a bunch of them have mentioned already and we even have a couple of screens of browsers with it bookmarked, they used it to read superchats because they sometimes get lost

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I wonder what Pomu feels like now that even HoloID is above NijiEN.

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>>21971617
She spent hours in Ayame's twitter space too.

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>>21971838 (me)
i think i had a stroke writing this, i'll be back later

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>>21969444
>StarsEN won't even compete with NijiENs males
You're saying as if NijiEN males are Vox and Mysta when there's other sub 4k shitters among them. Noctyx didn't even get 4k from their collab today. They can compete with them, but only in the NA time. They can't compete with them in the JP timeslot. A bonus if StarsEN has some guy who knows nip, streams at JP times and collabs with StarsJP alot. Think of Lazulight vs Myth, it's good enough if they can get 1-3k during NA times. I really don't care about them, I just don't want nijiEN to have the monopoly.

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>>21971851
it's like an all out war

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Gundam Ojis in Irys chat.

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>>21971854
well, she can actually undertsand them so...makes sense

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>>21971779
>"It's like an all out war"
He

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>>21971874
Just like how Holofags think they are all Pekora and Subarus and forgetting their shitters like Sana and Gura

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>>21971854
do you think she wants a holo daughter as well? I know niji and holo have overlapping artists like Lack.

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>>21971874
I think the fact that they didn't prioritize hiring somebody that knows english for Uproar is stupid. Its obvious that a good portion of the Holostars fanbase is EOPs. I'm actually excited for StarsEN to see how they will do. I'm actually super bullish on them and think they can do really well.

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>>21971806
>>21971828
>>21971928
come on now, I think it was pretty obvious that she was just going with the flow of the chat in that instance. She's collabed a lot with other Vtubers and also expressed interest in holo collabs (which would've happened if Niji mgmt hadn't stopped them).

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>>21971961
as an artist? yeah getting a holo daughter open lots of shit.

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>>21971961
There's not many who would turn down being a holomama.

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>>21970693
she doesn't care about numbers at all. She only stream games that she likes to play even if they are complete number poison, like JRPGs

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>>21971993
And those who would are proof that not everyone in the world is morally bankrupt and would support a black company that micromanages their employees' relationships outside of work

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Speaking of Holomamas. It's strange that Ui hasn't worked on another Vtuber.

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>>21971970
> I think it was pretty obvious that she was just going with the flow of the chat in that instance.
Really, anon?

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>>21972042
999,996
>>21972053
She doesn't need to

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>>21972053
She's busy with other projects. She just had and anime and she now has her Wixoss manga

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>>21971769
Irys checking Ys series now. That's you anon?

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>>21971874
Cover should get Lam to make one of the starsEN. That way, Vox is forced to collab because they are brothers.

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>>21971970
>going with the flow
Sounds like an excuse. Could have just steered clear of the vent channel instead, but no, she HAD to give her take, didn't she?

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>>21972101
Maybe, but it could of been me.

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>>21972110
he could refuse like Flare

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>>21971970
>she was just going with the flow of the chat in that instance.
That’s not a good defense because, in most brawls, the “tagalongers” are usually the most unhinged in the attacks because they feel they have the most to prove.

A better defense, one that no niji tried, is that “it’s an all out war out there” is actually Pomu lamenting the turn the conversation is taking and trying to turn down the heat a little by equating what’s being said with something as nasty as an “all out war”.
But niji fellows can’t meme and they can’t gaslight either so the current interpretation stuck.

Actually the only defense nijishin tried was
>it came from 4chan, hence its not true
which Mori bought but not the JP matome/5ch crowd

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>>21971979
>>21971993
what if they become super biased towards their holo child? wouldn't that leave a bad taste in their other children's mouths? I don't know how Petra and Koyori's mama is handling it.

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>>21972137
how do mamas show bias?

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>>21972164
They only do fan art of their favorite child.

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>>21972101
No, lol. Who the fuck here broght it up to her?

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>>21972183
Name the last time Amashiro made fan art of the Donut Girl or Luto

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>>21972137
Just because they use the words mama and papa doesn't make them a real family, anon. Being biased towards the one that'd give you most opportunities is a very normal thing.

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>>21972198
https://twitter.com/amsrntk3/status/1507738501055655983

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>>21972225
Even Nacho won't even bother with Gura anymore, yikes.
Gura is a yab machine at this point.

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>>21972164
just look at Rushia

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>>21972137
I know Korone's Mama is hella biased towards her despite also having a Niji kid. Oshio kind of tries to spread her love around but it's pretty obvious that Kanata is her favorite. Same goes with Petra and Koyori's mama, though that's more understandable since koyo is actually Japanese. Not their fault though. It's just human nature to favor one thing over the other.

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>>21972225
Nacho is a powerful mama. Imagine being able to say you are the mama for the biggest vtuber in the world.

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>>21972266
>>21972307
how long has it been since Nacho did art for gura?

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How many holos have a good relationship with their artists? Like chatting even offscreen. I'd argue that not even greater than 5 so this conversation is stupid.

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>>21972323
Which only proves that no one wants to be near Holos or do anything with Holos.
They know associating with Holos is toxic and can potential destroy their careers

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Speaking of Mama's. I'm surprised Pekora doesn't have any brother or sisters? Or at least none that I know of. Just an indirect connection with arguably the biggest JP vtuber right now would be a good boost on its own

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>>21972323
Around two or three months ago actually, since Gura started ghosting her.

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>>21972337
the ones that speak japanese do.
>>21972323
she retweets some art. but nacho right now is only focused on herlsef i belive she is a 2k +streamer on twitch

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>>21972225
>fan art
>part of official merch
You've got a weird definition for fanart anon...
https://twitter.com/PRISMproj/status/1507514669841334276

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>>21972352
Source? When'd this ghosting happen? Were they in communication? Gura doesn't even speak japanese

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>>21972164
didn't a yab almost happened last year with Fubuki's mama Mito? he got drunk and tweeted how grateful he is for Fubuki and wants to give some money back to her. it was like half a million yen. I think either Fubuki informed him not to do that or he sober up and deleted these tweets. I just remember it was pretty cryptic.

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>>21972337
All except Ayame from the back of my mind.

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>>21972323
https://twitter.com/amsrntk3/status/1473267929093652481

December 21. She posted art for the new years kimono relay on Jan 8, but that doesn't count.

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>>21972343
do you never shut the fuck up
they should have bullied you more

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>>21972266
>>21972343
>>21972352

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>>21972352
she retweetd reflect and shares art of her with gura sometimes.
the thing with nacho is that she ONLY does official art most of the time. rarely you will see some fan art posted for free on tweeter by her.

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>>21972164
Koyori B-day
https://twitter.com/momoco_haru/status/1504323612416745472

Petra B-day
https://twitter.com/momoco_haru/status/1467452968819896322

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>>21972198
>>21972365
https://twitter.com/amsrntk3/status/1435858216294838272
September 9, art for her birthday

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>>21972433
nice mouths

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>>21972323
She barely posts shit on her twitter these days, you can check yourself: https://twitter.com/amsrntk3/media . Last fanart of someone other than herself was for an indie who she's IRL friends with IIRC (? someone correct me if I'm wrong, my memory is very vague here) and the one before that was of Gura.

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>>21972421
Nacho did tweet about Gura during Holofes, like retweeting Gura's statue (might be her providing the art for reference) and praising Gura is cute from any angle.

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>>21972433
that is just what 3 months of improving your art does

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>>21972377
Fubuki's Mama sperging out is kind of understandable though. She started getting more commisions after FBK hit it big and it's safe to say that her own FBK merch probably sells a shit ton too. The fact that Kakage who has done work for famous gachas like GBF equates being a Holomama to getting commissioned as a servant artist for FGO should be telling enough on its own.

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>>21972512
kek

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>>21972433
Lmao

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>>21972512
Petra was her practice child

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>>21970704
But here's the thing, what is the next tech leap? Because as we've seen with Kizuna Ai and Mito, having the best tech out there doesn't gurantee your success, and I really don't see anything on the horizon that can replace the ubiquity and ease of use of the simple live2d facerig. I'd wager not even full immersion VR can replace them consdiering how clunky that'd be to use

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Is it just me or the EN schizo and the seething 2view sounds like one person ?

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>>21972433
damn

>>21972512
hahah

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>>21972433
>Koyoris has almost double the retweets that Petras has Likes

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>>21972552
probably the same guy
or one larping as the other

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>>21972549
Watching streams on your Home AR set-up.

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>>21972433
Jeez, this feels so much like picrel that it hurts...

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>>21972589
kek

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>>21972549
automatic translatins while streaming

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>>21972589
Shuba....

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Noctyx coming off of Luxiem has a lot of similarities to the Lakers this year.

https://streamable.com/r1zhga

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>>21972589
kek I love that that somehow became an arc despite it being based very loosely on shit that happened on multiple streams over a pretty long time.

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>>21972552
They are. The schizo is spamming the catalogue as well

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>>21972619
Fuck you breh! I'm trying to forget this season even happened!

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>>21972619
I laughed even though I understood nothing

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>>21972549
Metaverse

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>>21971647
no? quite the opposite.
she has been speaking english AFTER her debut, just like reine did. although her accent is quite thick.

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>>21972549
Kizuna Ai failed due to being 1 talent and failing to adapt to the new long hours live streaming meta. The 3D tracking is good because it's done in a studio, so spending long hours there is not really convenient.
Tech will improve. live2D that tracks the entire body instead of just the face, making it closer to home 3D but with just 2D, AR integration, VR, hologram, metaverse...

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>>21972619
Who is Westbrick?

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>>21972433
huh this is basically colored sketch vs full blown rendered art lmao

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>>21972619
LMFAO

the /sp/ of vtubers indeed and the perfect comparison.

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>>21972720
Literally the sky is the limit for Hololive at this point since aside from Anykara, no vtuber agency has the capacity to invest in tech like Cover.

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>>21972720
outside of gimmick streams do you even want full body live2D? Most streams don't require the lower body.

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>>21972549
Full-dive AR tech

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>>21972720
You're missing my point, better tech does not = more appeal, otherwise Miko and Roboco would be the highest ccv vtuber. Better tech can help attract new eyes to you, but for Hololive the company that is synonymous with vtubers in the west that won't really do anything. Like, the stuff you mentioned would be nice to have, but people are not going to start watching Fubuki because she can scratch her nose

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>>21972725
Fungus

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>>21972725
Someone who was maybe good 10 years ago.

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>>21972707
I don't know much about Indonesiathought most Indonesians spoke some English? Or do older people not know how to speak it, like in Mexico.

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>>21972784
You /sp/ fuckers gonna be shocked when the Phillies win the world series this year.

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>>21971225
You made a comment on PNGtuber vs L2D in one of your other comments and my first though was that the there was a "huge" jump from a static image to a L2D model that can show expression. While further tech improvements that you've mentioned do seem cool, how much will it really impact Hololive even if they are stuck in L2D territory? I feel like there's diminishing return of "impact" the more you improve the tech since the L2D that Hololive has now already has the "core" features allowed them to be successful and continue to be successful regardless if another company comes out with a more advanced L2D or 3D technology.

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>>21972786
gen one is getting live2D 3.0 soon so I guess we will see how that might change the avatar model meta

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>>21972876
I think myth is also getting a bit of a rework(?) Or something soon

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>>21972876
>Forgot about Coco's 2.0

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>>21972858
A funny thing when PNGtuber is blowing up on Tiktok and YT shorts right now.

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>>21972786
Following the same logic, why do you want live2D? A png is enough
>>21972806
Better tech attracts new users. Old users will end up dropping the hobby for various reasons (they get bored, their oshi graduates, they become antis, they form a family, they get too busy in the work, they die...), so new blood is needed. And if another company (say nijisanji, vspo) sets a new trend with new tech while cover stays complacent with what they have, they will attract the new viewers

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>>21972920
That sounds like the exact same kind of thinking that lead to the PS3 being a $700 brick with no games

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>>21972912
The little preview they dropped look competent.

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>>21972725
a whiny bitch

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>>21972786
Lower body isn't needed, but full upper would be good If someone is going to utilize it. Just give it to someone active like Watame or Korone.

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https://youtu.be/prE8vL_KQqA
for those of you who forgot/haven't seen it yet

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>>21972851
Lol, they are going to score a million runs but gibe up two million runs. We will see.