What went wrong?

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[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Males happened

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>>21648850
Human wave tactics.

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>>21648850
You had a schizophrenic meltdown lasting several months

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>>21648850
Their female talent is shit and male talent panders to chinks.

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>>21648850
Being nijisanji

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>>21648850
Forcing constant collabs with men, hiring human trash like Nina

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive EN just got a head start. If Nijisanji EN debuted first then they would've mogged Myth.

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>>21648850
OFFPAKOTV

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>>21649189
>straight outta nijicope list
<img class="xae" data-xae width="32" height="32" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/e54792d7_KEKW.png">

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Everything past Obsydia

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Seeing as how they seem to live rent-free in your mind 24/7, I'd say everything went right.

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>>21648850
Zhang fandom. Zhang contents.

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>>21649678
To fix this, one of them needs to acknowledge Taiwan

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
>>21546311
lonely on top

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
males

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>>21649722
their zhangs are islandzhangs though... (typing with traditional characters instead of simplified is the easy giveaway)

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>>21649189
You have head start with nijiID and nijiIN, where are those branch now?

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>>21650322
I blame Hana

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>>21649189
You can't honestly believe this.

[Anonymous No.]

they didn't cast to match model
they didn't bother with quality control, just numbers

[Anonymous No.]

They didn't support the independence of the republic of china.

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>>21649189
<img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="28" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/25908e08_PepeLmao.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="28" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/25908e08_PepeLmao.png"><img class="xae" data-xae width="28" height="28" src="https://s.4cdn.org/image/emotes/25908e08_PepeLmao.png">
next level faggotry, even from you nipple.

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>>21651302
which models don't match?

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>>21653501
:checkem:

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>>21649827
Damn Chloe is the new Rushia?

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>>21648850
They started with females and stayed that way for too long baiting Holofags and unicorns.

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>>21648850
Homos and fujos took over the fanbase after the males debut.

[Anonymous No.]

nothing! i really like watching them and they're doing just fine.

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Lack of order and boundaries. They let a bunch of dumb kids run the place and this is the result.

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>>21648850
The males that started off promising turned out to either be literally retarded (luca, mysta), boring (ike, shu) or hypersexual fujobait shitters (vox, mysta, ike kinda). I havent watched any of the 2nd wave males because their debuts were painfully bland or just shit like Ukis. It seems like every stream has these fuckers show up and i just dont care. The only benefit of them is that the Vox and Reimu flirting is cute.
Also i cant huff enough Selenium to survive more apex.

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>>21656441
how the hell is the one who goes "anyway" in response to literally any relationship, romantic, or not safe for work comment fujobaiting? i find ike boring personally, but calling him hypersexual fujobait is a weird take. i also find it funny that the comments in this thread range from "the problem is unicorns and gfefags" all the way to "the problem is homos and fujos." i think the real problem is that people here are dissatisfied with other aspects of their lives and just project it onto their agency of choice, honestly. no vtuber is really that important at the end of the day.

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>>21648850

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>>21648850
They shat out 10,000 vtubers thinking that's a good idea

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>>21648850
RENT FREE

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I cannot comprehend giving a single fuck about EN vtubers. Every single one is terrible.

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>>21648850
>adds males to their roster
>overtakes the girls' streams

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>>21658472
The answer to your first question is the person you replied to is a thread watcher.

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>>21648850
tried to make twitch streamers into something more, quantity over quality, and nepotism

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>>21649059
Kek

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>>21653817
Yeah, she's consistent ever since debut.

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is nijien do collab ban in 1st month after debut??

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>>21649189
You can take this even further. If Selen debuted before Kizuna Ai, she would have mogged everyone else in the industry.

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>>21664432
Only for outside the branch

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>>21653501
It's true lmao.
People were starving for EN Vtubers. They would've eaten up whoever was the first one to provide them with such.

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>male voice suddenly heard from the female stream
>my head suddenly plays this soundtrack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svjMiqVeiG8

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Mistaking the ability to have lower standards than their competitor with having no standards. To be more specific the western idea that pushing boundaries as far as possible and never stopping is a good thing.

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>>21648850
The "second" one never success, Nijien was the second one after Holoen so they failed, it's going to be the same with HolostarsEN, they will never be as popular as Vox&cia the only time that a branch that came second was way more popular than the first one is Hololive Gamers Vs Nijisanji Gamers

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>>21653708
Millie's voice sounds exactly like just some random lady but it's coming out of a model that looks like 13 years old.

Enna's voice also is just a weird hag voice (I still like her though but it doesn't exactly match the model). Rest I'd say are fine.

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>>21665970
It's kind of like going "haha look at these fools using sturdy materials for their buildings, being overly concerned about ''''safety'''' and ''''quality'''' issues! we can make this shit out of plywood and paint it nice and it'll all work out fine!" - in which case you'll get a random result of a bunch of buildings going to shit and falling over and only by luck will some of them fare better.

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>>21648850
Cuckoldry

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>>21658472
What I meant with Ike is that he skirts right around the edges of it. Thats why i said kinda. He plays with the ideas while keeping it at arms reach. I was very fond of Vox at the beginning. His turbosperg DS2 stream and his constant resetting Sekiro streams were a lot of fun because of how committed he was. Maybe hes kept it up in other areas, but fujobait and FNAF ended my interest. Idgaf about any gender shit. I just want entertainment, and i really havent been getting a lot of it out of NijiEN recently and my apathy (to outright dislike) towards the males really hurts that since they seem to be everywhere always. I basically only watch Selen (when its not Apex holy fuck that game) and Wosemi. I was kinda Interested in Sonny, but he doesnt stream any time i can watch, and id rather watch other chuubas love or their VODs than him.

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>>21677688
>other chuubas love
I meant live

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>>21648850
They saturated their own market by churning out gens at a ridiculous rate until the law of diminishing returns caught up to them.
Also hiring hololive rejects with a grudge turns out to be a less than stellar idea in the long run.

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>>21679554
>They saturated their own market
This is true
>Also hiring hololive rejects with a grudge
This is terminal /vt/ posting

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>>21649189
I cannot name any nijisanji members

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Nijifags, your oshi is getting fucked RIGHT NOW by Vox.

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>>21649016
fpbp

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>>21648850
Attracting Schizo fujo fans
t. Indog HoloID fan who's tired of their antics
Leave all of HoloID alone, Onegai

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>>21680945
i can name any hololive either

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>>21648850
wrong? everything is according to plan, and soon the holowhore will begging for my dick as well.

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>>21680953
Thats only Reimu. and its super fucking cute have you seen them on twitter?

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>>21665756
But there were already ENVtubers out there?

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>>21681644
No I'm not a cuck.

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>>21648850
The whole branch is basically a rooster teeth podcast now. Just a bunch of woke normalfags shooting the breeze

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>>21681964
Reimu isnt my oshi. I just think their flirting is cute. Feels like a shoujo manga.

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>>21683548
The /v/tard you are replying to doesn't even watch any anime or even read any manga.

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>>21686260

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The only thing wrong was that they didn't debut males sooner. The wait felt a little too long but it was worth it I guess.

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>>21648850
Hiring holoreject twitch streamers instead of good indie and small corpo chuubas

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>>21648850
Multiple things.
>1. Collabs
Overdone to hell especially cross gender.
Inb4 "but Japan does" they don't. And never did like this. Don't pretend you watched them at debut because you would never ever see something like kenmochi crashing a jk gumi off collab. And in modern nijisanji you wouldn't see it either, surprise collabs are a rarity and there's tons of JPs that almost never collab (ngo and toko for example)
People want to watch the streamer they like and interact with them. Seeing them with friends is a nice change of pace but only when it's a change of pace, not the norm.
>2. Lack of care for the audience
I think suspensions are stupid and a waste of time. But when a streamer does something stupid and fucks over their fans, they should at the very least apologize for it. But they don't because they believe they're above faults and their fans should just eat it up or leave. And surprise, people just leave.
>3. Too much focus on "muh family"
The livers care more about each other and the group than they do about fans and they expect us to care as well.
A big example is they constantly reference in jokes or things that happen in other people's streams and act like we should know what it is or we're not real fans. They act as if we need to like every single member and keep up with them. There's like 20+ people and it hasn't been a year, that's not happening and I hate most of them.
All this does is alienates the fans.
>4. Low effort
Very few of them put any effort into their streams anymore. You just don't see fun or interesting things. Most of them are just coasting on their success at this point and are doing bottom of the barrel gaming content. Rosemi can't even bother to prepare for a pizza stream. Collabs are always "scuffed" aka they can't be assed to look at a basic manual for the game they're playing.
3 off collabs in 1 week all aping off the first.

I'm sure there's more but that's really what bothers me.
Plus the Fandom is shit, and yeah it's kind of a big deal. Even in hololive I can go to their generals or communities and we can basically all agree irys has the ugliest model ever designed, and mori is a complete cunt. You can't do any of that to nijien anymore. You can't complain that a man crashed an off collab because you're a "unicorn" for wanting to watch 2 girls in am off collab. You can't complain about rosemi ditching her pizza stream for a vshojo collab mid stream. You can't even talk about how selen looks like a fucking loser.
It's a terrible community to be apart of.

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>>21648850
Finana
Males
Nina

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>>21648850
>Nijisanji is irrelevant
>Make threads about niji everyday
Isn't this free publicity at this point?

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>>21648850
Unironically the lack of quality control.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
rent free

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>>21649189
>If Nijisanji EN debuted first
It was
Did you forget the NijiPajeet branch?

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>>21690263
Quality post

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>>21690263
>A big example is they constantly reference in jokes or things that happen in other people's streams and act like we should know what it is or we're not real fans.
they really model themselves after NijiID, huh
that's actually the reason why NijiID fanbase stayed small

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>>21690263
Nijicucks are definitely the worst. The streamers themselves aren’t even trying.

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>>21691839
They wanted to copy NijiID but pushed the envelope way too far.

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>Board for all vtubers
>Hololive streams up
>Can't shut the fuck up about nijisanji
This is why I never want to meet up with other fans of myth/council, I'm afraid you'll all be too busy talking about nijiEN males

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>>21690263
t. rosebud still mad about the cooking stream

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>>21648850
Ethyria was a flop, and then they released males that took over the whole NijiEN branch with forced collabs and crashing solo streams.

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>>21690263
This anon nailed it. I agree with almost everything here. I don't really agree with the "low effort" part, though. Yeah, they do some shitty low effort streams, but the example of Rosemi ducking out is the exception, not the norm, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

SEA hours start... Hours old dead bait threads getting bumped left and right. Makes you think. Dramaniggers all of you

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>>21648850
Entered the scene too late.

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>>21692074
Not to defend him but Rosemi really did drop the ball with that stream. Even her first cooking stream was better.

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>>21663129
>overtakes
You mean takes over.

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>>21692074
Aloupeep actually.
And know what pissed me off today?
Right after Uki caused the bullshit with pomus offcollab where do I see him? In ennas chat joking about how it would be nice if he was there to help her with the puzzle.

And ya know what. That was the last straw for me. Minor sure but that was what finally tipped me over the edge.
They clearly do not give a shit that people were upset about pomus off collab because here the main faggot is right there clearly having learned nothing and not even trying to hide his bullshit.

Of course enna still just did her thing but him appearing and her instantly laser focusing on his chats just immediately soured the whole thing especially after an entire week of the constant bullshit from them.

So yeah I like enna but I'm not dealing with nijiens bullshit anymore.

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>>21690263
>They act as if we need to like every single member and keep up with them.
funny, people say that about hololive and yet nobody complains when that happens on the other side, what's the difference?

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>>21692304
The difference is I don't watch hololive.
Also there's 10 of them. Not 25.

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>>21690263
smartest post within the past week

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
Good post.

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>>21692271
It seems that the main problem here is Uki himself. He clearly doesn't care. Can't even be bothered to introduce himself in collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21692730
The main problem is the general attitude that nijiEN management allowed to foster within their branch. Uki is just existing as a part of a broken system.

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>>21692730
He's a piece of shit but the is the norm for all of them. They're all just uncaring faggots out for themselves.
Even outside the guys Nina did the exact same shit and everyone hated her for it.

They have no sense of professionalism. And the only reason I watch niji or holo over indies/small corpos is because I want that professionalism.

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>>21690263
Aren't you the same faggot in this thread complaining about the exact same thing?
>>21601803

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>>21690263
Go send an SC or streamlabs if you're this upset with the girls. They may act like they shrug it off but they honestly read that stuff.

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>>21692304
Hololive doesn't have nearly the same amount of collab overload, and everyone mostly does their own thing. Of course, some stuff gets referenced, but I can't recall ever hearing complaints about people being confused over it.

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>>21690263
why are you still there then?
is rosemi the most decent NijiEn chuuba?

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>>21692868
And yet they're raising the bar for future auditions....
It's hard to take them seriously when the ones that passed lack professionalism.

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>>21693121
She's also falling because she feels that she "has to fit in" when that isn't necessary.

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>>21692946
Maybe there's just multiple people who agree that the same things are detracting from their enjoyment? Even in this thread you can see that there are plenty of people who seem to think similarly. Unless you think everyone else is also all the same person, I guess?

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>>21693121
Maybe he likes 2-3 of them but feels like they're too hard to watch because they're always in streams with members he doesn't enjoy watching?

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>>21692730
The pretend faggot so he can have a threesome in an off collab?

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All I want in life is for all nijien livers to just stream their irl selves hanging in the middle of their shitty studio apartment. I would pay MILLIONS to see that happen.

For real though, what the actual fuck man. I loved Nijien up until Ether or some shit debuted. God sees all is actually good but the girls turned me away. Took a break from Nijien after that and... the males came. Ohhh boy going back to the girls was rough, I hard dropped all of the girls from my subscription list, have fun with the boy's used onaholes Nijicucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21650322
The real shame is what's happened to nijiKR

[Anonymous No.]

>>21693697
Thankfully all of them except bora have just gone back to being indies, which is probably better for them anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21693869
I hope Bora comes back after failing to make it in corporate

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>>21693121
>>21692946
That anon made a well articulated post with decent points, why are you grilling him like it's a Cover Psyop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
tldr keep rosemis name out of your mouth you big idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>21694505
>itt: toxic positivity

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>>21648850
/vt/ refused to take their meds

[Anonymous No.]

Males being fags and the constant colabs with them, market saturation, low effort everything, lack of chat interaction

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>>21648850
It existed.

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>>21648850

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>>21648850
They couldn't stop hiring cheap Pinoys and SEAniggers for the job

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
China happened

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>>21649016
But weren't barely surviving before the guys joined?
Were you watching the girls before Luxiem debuted, because all the girls had like 700-1500 viewers with only Elira and Selen at like 2000-2500.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21701187 (me)
weren't they*
JWU

[Anonymous No.]

It's weird, most of the girls don't really feel like the type of people to interact with men on stream if they had actually joined hololive like they wanted

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>>21690263
>They act as if we need to like every single member and keep up with them. There's like 20+ people and it hasn't been a year, that's not happening and I hate most of them.
Maybe when it gets to the point they have way more members that it's infeasible to still do it, they'll actually realize to stop, but who knows

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>>21649722
even better, hire a metalhead niji and ask them to sing Hypnotize by System Of A Down

[Anonymous No.]

>>21692304
Probably down to personal opinion but hololive members probably aren't as divisive as nijisanji members, a difference between finding them boring vs finding them annoying

[Anonymous No.]

>>21702315
Grunge metal vtuber would be a nice addition, but I don't know how they'd survive the fanbase of retards.

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>>21702315
>metalhead
>System Of A Down

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Absolutely nothing. It's good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21702315
Ike the Swede is the metalhead. And there is Kagami Hayato in NijiJp.

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>>21690263
>all agree irys has the ugliest model ever designed
there's an argument for reimu

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>>21694401
He made a melodramatic post. Seriously, fucked over fans? They stole copious amounts of money from fans or doxxed them?
>Them talking down on you for not getting something from someone else's stream
Have yet to see that when I watched Pomu or Petra.
>Low effort
They aren't far from the norm from any other EN vtuber. Why should anyone address a post like that seriously?

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I had to stop watching one stream once because I realized "damn if she's going to talk to a guy for the whole stream I wish it was me"
Apparently if you simply avoid watching stuff like that it makes you an incel, but to me that's probably the most pathetic thing you could watch, more than GFE stuff
The chat's not even being acknowledged at that point, you're just thirdwheeling watching 2 friends to the point it feels intrusive, if they're not gonna do the parasocial thing at that point you'd be better off spending the time looking for an actual friend to talk to yourself
But apparently that's the content that twitterfags, pronouns in bio etc approve of the most

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>>21703765
>The chat's not even being acknowledged at that point, you're just thirdwheeling watching 2 friends to the point it feels intrusive, if they're not gonna do the parasocial thing at that point you'd be better off spending the time looking for an actual friend to talk to yourself
Pretty much, it's why I hate NijiEN's collabs because they do it so often that it just gets so boring and stale and chat ends up becoming the third wheel, to the point where only the parasocial retards in chat who have no friends irl are the only ones who end up staying because they probably think they're friends with the livers themselves when they're just the cash cows

[Anonymous No.]

>>21701187
Those numbers aren't bad considering they just started. Most of them still sit around that number or would have increased naturally.

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>>21693121
I liked enna and millie still. That's pretty much the only thing that kept me til yesterday.
>>21693007
>if you don't like something give them money
No.

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>>21703765
Parasocial is a meme and you could boil down any interaction with someone as being manipulative or parasocial if you really wanted to, but since its a bad thing to have people simping you to the point of idolation, you end up with a lot of people who try to avoid all the "parasocial" things.
Unfortunately it never changes the fact that people don't like being a third wheel and people will watch videos of others to get something out of it, and unfortunately when it comes to streaming zatsu and games, that includes some level of interaction which will naturally cause chatters to want to bond with the streamer.
I heard Vox likes to tell his viewers to support themselves first and to not see him as a friend, which while the right thing to do in a moral sense, hasn't exactly stopped some of his viewers from being thirsty and horrible and horny as fuck, but people will turn a blind eye to that because Vox has done the bare minimum of signalling that people shouldn't be parasocial.

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>>21704601
Bonding isn't bad and while the relationship only goes in one direction it's not like it's that bad to feel close to a streamer as long as they set boundaries in advance.

If someone like Fubiki has a boyfriend there would be drama but not that much because she's always stated in advance she's not for (you). She's a friend and someone you watch because she's cute and funny. It would be disappointing for her to have a boyfriend but even the most loyal fan knows its on them for having silly expectations.
But someone like Rushia having a boyfriend was a big deal because of how she portrayed herself and lead people into feeling like they were more than that.

On some level the job of the streamer is to have their audience build those bonds in a healthy way in moderation. You watch the streamer less so for the content but the content creator and that's always been the case. Even the top male flesh streamers heavily focus in portraying themselves as your friend.

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>>21664534
A statement dreamed-up by the utterly deranged.

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>>21703765
You act like hololives acknowledge chat even solo. You have to akasupa to even get them to notice you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
They just need to add camgirls\boys clarification and it will be ok, because for now someone can confuse them with vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

men

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
>Open stream
>Male voice
>Close stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>21653708
Reimu is a loud Mexican bitch and they gave her the kino goth ghost gf model. I was so fucking disappointed, where is my soft spoken ghost qt chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
the audience they garnered early and the one they appeal to now are completely different

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>>21670453
I actually don't mind.
Millie is so stupid that her models perpetual stupid face fits her so well.

Ennas contrast really works too. Rather than it being just kinda off, it's so far off that it becomes funny. Especially with her humor.

Reimu and Nina are awkward as fuck though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21681999 this
>>21690263 this
and >>21703765 this.
The guys barging in on streams aren't the 3rd wheel. You, the viewer is the 3rd wheel; it's a normalfag friend-simulator podcast where the streamer is benevolently allowing you to spectate their water cooler talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Everybody shut the fuck up.

What actually went wrong:
>JP vtuber company has males and females
>females behaved well, reeling in male fans
>males behaved well, reeling in female fans
>when collabing, males and females are polite and knew what not to do
>company expands to EN market
>figures "what worked in JP must work in the EN"
>doesn't understand that the east =/= the west
>EN females behave alright, at least try to act like proper vtubers, reeling in a mix of male fans and twitch numales
>deteriorate into the wigger zoomers they are over time but it still sorta works
>EN males debut, reeling in twitter femcels
>males collab with females every day
>male fans get increasingly unhappy cause of cucking and lesser quality content
>now faced with the choice between effort (keep up the kayfabe and keep your fanbase) or laziness (drop the kayfabe, be entitled enough to think your fanbase will stay with you anyway) they do what any western woman would do
>wigger females go full "we bussin finna clap back he frontin," drop the keyfabe entirely
>get backed up by twitter femcels calling them brave independent womxn and all their male fans incels
YOU ARE HERE
>femcels don't watch them for more than a stream or two
>numale fans stick around, using the backlash to portray themselves as loyal knights to their oshi
>get disillusioned and leave over time as they keep getting cucked, quality drops, keep getting called incels and dunked on by fujoshi femcels
>in a desperate bid to stay popular, NijiEN drops the act of pretending they're any different from VShojo, further ramp up their western sexual degeneracy to get clicks and views
>Finana gets her tenga sponsorship, pomu does a shoot for blacked.com, Nina does gangbang shoots with Vox and co. for the yumejoshis
>Selen leaves nijisanji to become a professional esports player; ends up making millions

[Anonymous No.]

>>21713244
>Selen leaves nijisanji to become a professional esports player; ends up making millions
Dragoons always win

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
>Plus the Fandom is shit, and yeah it's kind of a big deal. Even in hololive I can go to their generals or communities and we can basically all agree irys has the ugliest model ever designed, and mori is a complete cunt. You can't do any of that to nijien anymore. You can't complain that a man crashed an off collab because you're a "unicorn" for wanting to watch 2 girls in am off collab. You can't complain about rosemi ditching her pizza stream for a vshojo collab mid stream. You can't even talk about how selen looks like a fucking loser.
Jesus Christ this. I wish people would understand this. I can't express the slightest criticism about any talent in a Niji thread, while I can call out Matsuri for that time she was a bitch to Haachama in a Hololive thread and nobody would flip their shit.

[Anonymous No.]

They're 100% confirmed to read this board, the fact they do at all means they at least take some consideration about what's said here instead of dismissing it all as the scary incel website, but it's yet to be seen if they'll actually recognize the problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>21693121
>is rosemi the most decent NijiEn chuuba?
Despite what transpired this last week, Pomu remains quite entertaining and funny. Seems she may have seriously taken the criticism into account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21681618
>actual child molester
Luckily everyone in hololive is over 18 so they're safe from voxpedo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21715519
>she may have seriously taken the criticism into account
Is this true, anon? Can I come back to my oshi? Please say yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21716550
>ever since she came back
>2 collab streams
>1 damage control stream
dyrbi

[Anonymous No.]

>>21716760
I want to believe

[Anonymous No.]

>>21649189
>If Nijisanji EN debuted first
But they did debut first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21716550
>>21716760
>said she wasn't willing to do more off-collabs
>didn't have Uki join VC when he showed up in her Minecraft

[Anonymous No.]

>>21717015
>Uki immediately goes into Enna's chat to imply he wants to do an off-collab
I'm thinking the entire branch is rotten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21717075
Sex is a good motivator.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21715212
That's the problem, they know it's an issue because they're here, but they're still going on with it without an end in sight.
This means either they've all hugboxed and shut out any criticism coming their way as hate, or they are doing it out of spite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21716961
are they popular now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21711640
>third wheel cuckolds
Rosecuckies we got too cocky

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Insufferable male talents

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
>Low effort
Unfortunately, Nijisanji really is a quantity vs quality thing. Not only the amount of streamers, but they do much more streams on average.
>Lack of care for the audience
I don't think any of the big companies does. Unless it's hurting their bottom line, they don't really care. They barely do stuff with viewers, some streams could just be pre-recorded and it would barely make any difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21713460
No one can convince me that Selen didn't become a vtuber just to play apex as a job. She didn't even know how to pronounce nijinsaji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Instead of hiring the cream of the crop, they got the scum of the cum.

They managed to land one hit by pulling the desperate move of appealing to Fujoshits, and not even that is long-lasting enough to make up for the sheer lack of quality.

It's a shame because they have a few members who give a fuck and then some (eg Rosemi, Pomu) and who I honestly feel really bad about that they're relegated to being a Nijisanji member instead of making it into Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21656441
>Selenium
jesus christ they can't even come up with original memes
nijiniggers have as much """creative freedom""" as their livers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718512
Imagine being so autistic , you create conflict over retarded buzzword.

Christ hang yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718036
I really wish it were so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718603
>Nijinigger angry that the ripoff Nakirium was called out

[Anonymous No.]

>>21719042
I watch holo and 2views you fucking mongoloid.

Fix that shitty unimaginative brain. They live rent free in your head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
They didn't introduce males right away and now the fanbase has a whole lotta Holobronies who think they own the place and lose their shit when NijiENs dare do things even slightly differently than Hololive.

Filtering the subhumans from the start would've saved NijiEN from like half of all the drama they ever had.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21719280
We know you watch NijiEN, you don't need to emphasize that they're 2views

[Anonymous No.]

>>21713460
LMFAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>21711640
>You, the viewer is the 3rd wheel
This is the fine line that people often forget about. Having some synergy with a live audience is a requisite for all performers, being an audience is a form of participation and it's not parasocial. If the performer starts ignoring that dynamic and neglecting the audience, the audience will move on and find someone else who knows who they are performing for. Doing too many lazy hangout collabs obviously risks alienating an audience, much like being overly parasocial attracts stalkers and schizos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21720286
1 Jerma strean destroys the shitty number of any Holo or Niji.

Shame you watch shitty content

[Anonymous No.]

>>21720260
Didn't read a single thing in the thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Nothing? They are doing great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21718392
Apex is not even 1/5 of her streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
>You can't do any of that to nijien anymore
Of course you can shitpost and complain all you want, most Niji threads on /vt/ are exactly for that purpose. There are multiple threads up shitting on Rosemi right now, there will be many more in the following weeks, just go spam them.

The negative response you get when you try that in the generals is a necessary form of gatekeeping considering where we are. It isn't possible to have a coherent, constructive non-general Niji thread on /vt/, the anti-Niji shitposting vastly outstrips the actual present fanbase. Even this thread was made as bait and most of the posts here are shitting on the livers solely for not being holo. Bait threads are necessary to keep the general threads healthy and usable.

The things you bring up as issues will soon have been discussed everywhere ad nauseam; what you want to do is force constant timeloops on the generals where the same old drama is brought up over and over and over, taking the focus away from the streams and consuming the threads for possibly weeks. This also risks signaling to the rest of the board that the niji generals are fair game for shitposting. /vt/ is still not over the Discord leaks, and possibly never will be, but the generals might want to discuss other things too.

The fandom isn't shit just because you get pushback for being a cunt. It's just forced to be defensive to survive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723174
the /nijien/ thread is terrible. its newfags like you who think the thread was always porn spam and ritual posts.
the first 100 posts in every /nijien/ thread is just generic paragraph ritual posts that should be a bannable offense for spamming. the moment anyone brings up the girls it turns into yaoi spam or people posting cp.

don't even pretend for a second its the "shitposters" that are the problem. the problem isn't people complaining about pomu, its the people who have turned that thread into an example of why generals are pure cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21716550
Just watch her MGS finale stream. It's peak Pomu suffering and joy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723174
hit the nail on the head

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723174
This so much. A general cannot survive long term if it allows itself to get mired in timeloops like the OP of this thread wants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723399
>don't even pretend for a second its the "shitposters" that are the problem
Are you suggesting the people posting shock images are not shitposters

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723399
The thread was tolerable when it was just Lazulight and Obysida. Ethyria the quality went down a bit, the males had it go down the shitter and cp gets regularly posted ever since they debuted.

[Anonymous No.]

The fujobait bois, the oversaturation of Livers and the too-frequent (surprise) collabs are what drove me away.

I only really like Pomu, Finana and Selen but every time I've poked my head into what appears to be a Pomu or Finana solo stream there's someone else there too. And the off collab felt like deliberate bait-and-switch. Why tout it as just a Pomu/Finana off-collab if Uki was going to be there too?

At least there is still Selen. The Mega Man 4 stream was nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723879
>>21723399
>illegal shit
I mean it'd be nice if /#/ didn't raid the thread every time one of the boys has a big stream, but alas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723888
Finana does a good amount of solo streams and doesn’t collab with males too often. Problem is she’s boring and her mods spam chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724026
You ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? You blame holobronies and number boogeymen everytime, eventually they will be actually shitposting but no one will believe you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21722657
What shitty point do you want me to talk about? The NijiEN tendency to exclude chat?
Nigger I've been watching group-focused Youtubers and Niconico creators who almost never get involved with their audiences since before vtubers were even a thing. I got plenty of stupid fun from the likes of Vanoss' group and I'm probably the only one on this board who can name every member of the Japanese groups 2BRO and TOP4.
With that in mind, I hope you understand that I'm physically incapable of seeing "but why won't she pay attention to me instead of whoever just called her ;(((" as anything but needy Holoshitter whining.
Well, maybe it's a general ego issue, but that's not any better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21665856
Peacemaker suuuuuuuuuuucks! Peace maker suuuuuuuuuucks!

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing went wrong, in fact things are actually going way better than anyone expected. It's why anons can't stop making constant threads about them nowm

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724166
I mean you can check the archives yourself. Number shitpost images will get posted in /nijien/ within minutes of being posted in /#/. But go ahead and choose to believe your personal fantasy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723130
Anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21691839
Even NijiID don't do that as much as their EN counterpart. I mean you won't find Bobon to suddenly crash on Siska everytime she plays Dota 2 or Zea to suddenly collab with Nara everytime she plays sims 4

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724053

Is she? I've enjoyed most of the non-gacha game solo streams in the past. Problem is that gacha games are like 50% of her solo content. Maybe that's where all the boring is contained

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724510
>all those male collabs
jesus christ selenfags really are the biggest cucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724510
That was a one time thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
Holy based

[Anonymous No.]

>>21725363
I don’t care for gacha games, I don’t care for indie games, I don’t care for overplayed vtuber staple games, I don’t care for Ygo master duel, I don’t care for gfe/chatting streams, that’s all I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723888
Pomu hasn't had a solo stream become a collab since Janaury though

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726276
No she just invites men into her yuribait off-collab in a hotel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726393
>yuribait
Oh you're a catalogwatcher shitposter

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726479
okay bro.
this is the thumbnail for an off-collab with a man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726752
>That
>Yuribait
You're no different from a tumblrite who looks at war drama camaraderie and sees homoerotica.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21727477
https://twitter.com/PomuRainpuff/status/1508455886259433483
https://twitter.com/FinanaRyugu/status/1508167544569532423
https://twitter.com/PomuRainpuff/status/1508178527191023621
https://twitter.com/PomuRainpuff/status/1508093735644581898

a yes, the totally non-bait posts to go with it.
and their ship tag being in the thumbnail stream wasn't bait either.

fuck off. they knew what they were baiting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21727967
>Collab tag = Ship tag
Holy fuck lmao we're done here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21727967
that's barely anything lmfao, some doting from pomu and an obvious shitpost with the lady & tramp thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728053
>"collab tag"
when has it ever once been used outside outside of the ship? in fact it was created in direct response to the oceanlaw tag which is solely used for shipping.

they both knew exactly who they were pandering to, the general was fully aware and on board that this was a yuribait stream. any jokes to the contrary were meant to be shitposts.

keep coping faggots. there's a good reason everyone was pissed off this collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
This pretty much sums it up. Though I'd say its not quite that bad yet. But generally speaking the whole "we're all a big family who can just jump into streams whenever" stuff doesn't scale to 20 streamers; hell it didn't even scale to 10 streamers very well.

Collabs can be good, cross gender collabs can be good, impromptu collabs can be good. But when like half of all streams are cross gender or impromptu collabs the whole thing gets tiring and deviates from what drew many people to the Niji EN girls in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728213
you're retarded or don't watch them if you expected actual fucking yuri from pomu and finana. finana is incredibly awkward when she's actually faced with intimacy instead of just joking about sex funny and pomu is just a generally reserved & shy person

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728409
>goalposts
lmao

and nobody expected real yuri, we expected generic bait like the besties off-collab had. and even "yuri" is a stretch but it functions for lack of a better word here.
We expected cut female on female sleepover fun and were heavily baited into it. They knew this and heavily baited into and was pushing the cute female skinship angle.

It takes a literally drooling retard to not see that what people did not want as a man being surprise jumped on this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728558
>we expected generic bait like the besties off-collab had
why? the relationship dynamic was completely different, the involved personalities are completely different, the situation was completely different. they didn't heavily bait into shit you're just a delusional retard. i'll give you the uki surprise thing but they also did a stream with just the two of them and if uki hadn't showed up it still wouldn't have been yuribait

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728752
>why would we expect different
maybe the snuggling thumbnail and the constant tweets about them being on dates together and sleeping together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728752
>it still wouldn't have been yuribait
Case in point: the twitter space that happened on the day after. 5hrs, not a sliver of yurishit.
Anon's a retard of every kind, but mainly mental, emotional, and social.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21726393
>No she just invites men into her yuribait off-collab in a hotel
It was Finana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730287
Both were at fault, Finana just took the blame. Pomu could have axed the idea at any second.
If Finana could walk over Pomu and convince her to do a retarded idea like this, Pomu probably gets fucked by every PUA that's ever looked in her general direction,.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730452
Finana didn't take any blame, what are you talking about? She got away with it scot-free

[Anonymous No.]

>21730452
Oh I see what's your game. Finana invited Uki. That's the end of that. You aren't getting any more (You)s from me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730671
They both got away with it.
Pomu took the bigger hit because surprise, its on her channel and it was her responsibility to filter out stupid ideas. A slip up and accidentally having finana dox someone is 1 thing, allowing Uki onto the stream was on Pomu to filter out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
all according to plan.

[Anonymous No.]

just blame the incels lol, and let the branch get dumpsterfired

[Anonymous No.]

>>21730796
What makes you think Pomu got away with anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
you're way too based to be watching NijiEN anon
come home

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731284
what punishment or backlash did she get?
Sure we hated her on /vt/ but i guarantee she just filtered it out and will double down on this stuff in the future.
She didn't get suspended or anything. She wasn't forced to apologize.
She "got away" with it outside her fans who got tired of it and left because she clearly didn't care about them in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21690263
>A big example is they constantly reference in jokes or things that happen in other people's streams and act like we should know what it is or we're not real fans.
"don't talk about other streamers on my chat unless I bring it up myself" is the rule meant to keep a bigger chuuba's chat from crowding out discussion on a smaller but related chuuba's chat.
These locusts don't even know the history or reason for why these rules are set up in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731405
Why would she get suspended or forced to apologize? Because one stream didn't go the way you wanted it to go? That's hardly a suspend-able offense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731501
Well I don't expect a punishment, but you claimed Finana got away with it.
They both got away with it. They both got shit for it, but Pomu got more since it was on her channel and was before they could damage control it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731035
That worked for Kana, I guess?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731612
Finana got away with it "more" because there was no shitting on her here, her youtube comments, and on twitter. People only shit on Pomu because it was on her channel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21731747
Plenty of people talked shit about her here after the stream.
But it doesn't help because people are already tired of the drama. And it was clearly a lot of damage control going on after they saw the backlash Pomu got. I don't think it was entirely a lie, but I also don't believe most of the stuff they were claiming since none of it actually matches up with what we know of it and we know many of the things Finana said were outright lies.

but like I said I'm already tired of the drama and don't care at this point. I just unsubbed from both of them and told youtube to stop recommending them. and moved on.
rather than focusing on them its more that they were a big example for why i've been pushed away from nijiEN as a whole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21692304
>people say that about hololive
people say that about hololive because 95% of the holo talents are really good people who make you want to support them, but obviously you don't have the time to support all of them so you watch your favorites instead.

That anon is talking an issue that is NEVER a problem in hololive. If I watch a Pekora stream, I don't need to know what happened on Haachama's stream to enjoy them interacting with each other. They don't discuss their personal in-jokes on those collabs.

And if there IS something that you need to know, guess what? Holos will EXPLAIN it to their fans, live on chat - about the context of the discussion before talking about it. This is why you see a lot of clips about the same incident but from multiple POVs (e.g. Kronii and Mumei (and the others) talking about how she helped them order stuff on their offcollab, Koyo and Laplus talking about how dirty Laplus' room was, Kanata and Marine talking about how Kanata's room was dirty when Marine visited, Miko and Laplus talking about their first impressions of each other on their own streams, any 2-3 holo studio interaction being talked about by ALL OF THEM, on their INDIVIDUAL STREAMS etc.).

You don't see this same level of care for the audience in NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>doing damage control
you know something was up like pomu losing members and dog whistling it on stream but whatever she subtly said fuck the fans also

[Anonymous No.]

>>21706232
you don't watch JPs I guess
I've gotten my comment noticed by multiple JPs without spending a dime while being a greyname

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723174
>The things you bring up as issues will soon have been discussed everywhere ad nauseam
I was there during the PomUkining mate. NijiEN thread was in complete paranoia mode at the time and multiple people were lashing out at the slightest criticism of her actions.
Worst part is that those are the only replies you'll get on there. No one will say something similar to "I agree with you" or else they will be shouted down as well.
There's a reason for that. The way NijiEN grew their audience has caused a divide in audience expectations.
The NijiEN general is like putting Star Wars fans and Legend of Galactic Heroes fans on the same thread and attempting to have a discussion.
Both audiences expect different things, and the minority will just keep getting shouted down and will eventually be chased out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724026
> /#/
the fuck?
We shit on nijiniggers all the time but we do it on our own general mate.
Sure, we have a few schizos (like all generals /here/), but blaming the entire general for that is like blaming a random American farmer for the actions taken by the CIA.

Also 80% of numberfags are there for the horse racing, they are the laziest of fuckers and won't even bother clicking offsite most of the time - much less raiding an entirely different general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21733295
they want hugboxes, which is pathetic, well just let them drown in their own meds and let the vtuber suffer the consequences

[Anonymous No.]

>>21715212
yeah we enjoy coming here from time to time and enjoying the sheer amount of seethe our existence causes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21724510
>cherrypicking the Race to Masters
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>21733295
>NijiEN thread was in complete paranoia mode at the time and multiple people were lashing out at the slightest criticism of her actions.
You didn't look hard enough. The consensus was that inviting a surprise guest was fine, but Uki wasn't a good one because neither Pomu nor Finana had many interactions with him.
It wasn't the "GUY?!" factor, but the "WHO?!" factor that bothered /NijiEN/, and anyone coming at it with the former in mind was bound to activate the thread's anti-Holocorn response.
It might've been terrible in its own way, what with all the shipping him and Pomu get, but Luca would've at least MADE SENSE as a guest there. Uki didn't even pass that threshold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734380
> The consensus was that inviting a surprise guest was fine,
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHA
no it wasnt

It was fujos damage control spamming about how unicorns are evil for being mad about it.

[Anonymous No.]

at this point i just watch selen
the other girls cant help themselves with inviting the guys on various streams, at least with selen you know when she is gonna collab with them because of schedule

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734552
Oh yeah, just like they were soooo mad when the two off-collabs that came before it also had surprise guests, right?
Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734566
SADX... Ike...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734683
>still pretending they're even somewhat equivalent
yeah its how i know you're a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734710
NTA but that was once, compared to Pomu for example its literally nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734731
No, I'm just not the least bit parasocial with anyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734770
Phasmo... Beedrill...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734848
>why is a man crashing an all female off-collab different than a female crashing female off-collab or a man crashing a coed off-collab
you're intentionally retarded if you can't see it.
even if you don't personally get offended, if you can't understand why people are pissed at it you're legitimately retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

lol just fuck your paypigs

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734880
>Phasmo
That was because Pomu and Selen couldn't continue so they invited people, Finana was the first option but she was watching Disney shit and thanks god Nina didn't join
>Beedrill
???
That was advertised as a "everyone can join" from the first stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Did they ever right??

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734770
>All the beedrill streams
>Soft Selen
>Phasmo
>Sadx
>Spooky games
Yeah almost never..

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735227
Read for Beedrill and Phasmo >>21735017

>Soft Selen
She said from the beginning she wanted people to join at the end if nothing made her laugh. In that stream i got more mad at N*na than anything else. BTW she played with Hana so i don't know why you pointed this stream
>Spooky games
Most of them are just collabs
>SADX
this is the only valid one

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735455
How many times have Pomu's streams turned into collabs without her saying she is in VC?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735598
Ask a Pomudachi, i can only speak for Selen

[Anonymous No.]

>>21734979
Nigger, I've been almost exclusively into Nijisanji ever since I got into vtubers. I know Japanese and the lack of EOP pandering was never an issue.
The part of me that could understand the Holocorn collab gender segregationist mentality died before it could breathe its first. You're all fucking deranged to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735718
sure you do anon.

enjoy your dying company. i'm done talking with you baiting faggots, take it back to your shitty circlejerk thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21733739
Yeah the holobronies seethe, though that isn't this thread with genuine fans giving legitimate criticism

[Anonymous No.]

>>21736145
おいおい
偉大なるJOP様の前だからって怯むなよ
見っともないぞ

Also, if Nijisanji is dying, then I guess 774, Vspo, and the other mid-size companies are rotting cadavers by now.
Not like I have any confidence in you knowing any of those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21736946
> criticism
> holobronies
it's all the same seething for us desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>21735718
Have you ever noticed not every single nijisanji stream involves men, almost as if those streams could have a different appeal

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737297
If you're willing to think they hate part of their fanbase what makes you think you're one of the good ones? They wouldn't have a good opinion of anyone that's a fan of them in that case

[Anonymous No.]

>>21725577
>pomcuckdachi, ryucuck, cuckbud deflection
Collabing with a genmate for a coop shooter on a previously announced and scheduled stream is nothing like what happens to your chuubas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21737641
What elevates collabs for me are chemistry and connections. That's it. If both are there, I really don't give a shit about the gender composition of those involved, who's first, or who comes as a surprise.
Applying this to the Pufferfeesh off-collab: The fact that Uki is a guy or the cope that he's gay are fucking NOTHING next to the fact that he added nothing to the collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21723174
>Bait threads are necessary to keep the general threads healthy and usable
Is this how you shitters justify spamming the catalog? Jesus. I mean, I expect less than nothing from you people, but you'd think the fucking jannies would at least try to do their jobs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21739000
>Collabing with offline tv right this moment
Dragoons, I dont feel so good

[Anonymous No.]

>>21739324
>joined the apex sex discord
Dragoons...

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Nina, Reimu, the men, then the literal tranny. Lazulight and Obsydia were kino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21739324
Gumi is one of Selen's old friends from her indie times
>Scarra
I bet he invited himself since Gumi is part of Offline TV

Lurk more

[Anonymous No.]

>>21733295
Did you even read the thread during the collab? It was insanely negative to it, and for several days after. There was no difference between /NijiEN/ and the baitthreads on the catalogue

[Anonymous No.]

>selen is literally collabing with OTV right now
That's what's wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
Hololive is just better. Why would you waste your time on the inferior experience?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21739998
>>21739395

[Anonymous No.]

>>21739559
You forget how live posting was just 90% people talking shit to everyone who wanted a collab without males. That thread couldn't go 2 posts without someone spamming
>hurr unicorns btfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>21739395
>Selen collabs with Vshojo
>Selen collabs with fucking offline tv
>Selen collabs several times a week with faggots
B-b-but it doesnt matter because, because this reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>21740150
I care less about Selen personally because she never gave a shit about her chat in the first place.
The only worthwhile thing Selen does is apex streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21740150
>Selen collabs with Vshojo
That was long time ago in a Apex collab and other times was in big ass collabs that no one cares about
>Selen collabs with fucking offline tv
>>21739395

>Selen collabs several times a week with faggots
co workers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21733295
Pomu has been hated by the NijiEN thread for months, almost since debut. Nijifags fucking hate her. Holofags were way higher on her than the NijiEN thread.
That is the tragedy in all this, she cast away the only fanbase that were actually OK with her

[Anonymous No.]

>>21740211
>I care less about Selen personally because she never gave a shit about her chat in the first place.
>he said this while Selen is one of the most parasocial with her chat
She tends to ignore the chat on collabs but on her solo streams she read chat a lot and her membership streams are top tier
>Apex
oh, an Apexnigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>21739395
You can keep saying this but at the end of the day she's still bringing OTV shit into nijiEN as if it wasn't bad enough.
Selen was always a shitty vehicle to bring twitchfags in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21740305
This is the first time she collabs one on one with Offline TV, it was Lazulight the ones who befriend them in first place

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>>21740378
>its the first time
and won't be the last.
If you haven't noticed NijiEN doesn't really understand what restraint means.

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>>21740483
Not with Selen, the last time she did a one on one collab with Vshojo, for example, was months ago
She tends to invite different people from different companies, so i expect another on Apex Season 2
Unlike the other who keep inviting them on collabs (most of them are shitty horror kusoges)

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>>21739998
dont know anything about them but it's been a fun collab so far and the fat dino dude seems to be much more tolerable than nijien faggots

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly speaking.
NijiEN is the first time I've wanted a company to fail. Usually I just ignore things I don't like.

But nijiEN is big enough I feel like they're just going to set a precedent and vtubing is just going to turn into this shit show.
If nijien fails at least it means there's people out there that still care about quality otherwise we're just going to see more of this garbage all the time.

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>>21741387
Set a precedent for what? A decline in quality in vtubing? Get fucking real. Its always HoloEN fanatics claiming some shit like this when their branch is already such a MASSIVE decline in quality when compared to the exponentially better hololive JP. Its cancer complaining about other tumors.

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>>21741759
Well that's why I initially hoped nijien would be better and take it to the JP quality.
But we got the opposite.

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>>21741387
The fags really did a number on holobronies huh?

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>>21735718
So that's why you also like vshojo-lite?

[Anonymous No.]

A better question, did anything go right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21742421
Funny, because during their first 8 months of existence, everyone called NijiEN "Holo lite", and berated them for "not trying anything different"

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>>21743849
>1 niji did a thing so nijiEN should take it to 11 and do it 24/7
>1 shitpost called nijien holo lite so we should do the opposite and become 10x worse than vshojo
This is you.

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>>21744157
Not "1 shitpost", it was a constant thing here, and was the main reason people laughed at NijiEN's low numbers.

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>>21744293
For a self proclaimed nijifag who followed the JP from the start, you sure dont know shit about anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>google scara
>its fucking mongoloid
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21728053
>gets btfo
>bails, pretends to be above it as a cope
You are a woman

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She came

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>>21703765
Collabs by themselves aren't a bad thing at all, but visibly relying on them a ton kind of telegraphs that at least one of those streamers just doesn't wanna do the solo stream thing where they are primarily talking with chat.

Notably Mori also collabs a ton and we visibly saw her blow up with the lean arc over criticism of her dragging ecelebs too far into the mix and basically choosing them over her fans. Collab-itis is a symptom of a disease, when you see someone like Nina, who we knew was at-best ambivalent about vtubers beforehand and more transparently is in this just for the money, collab all the fucking time and basically force herself to leech off the males, you can take a clear guess what she thinks of her fans.

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>>21744293
>tfw stuck with, membered, and donated all through the "'low' numbers" period because I loved the content
>lmao kill it to spite the /vt/ schizos, who cares we have chink money now

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>>21741387
NijiEN is a blip on the radar compared to the bone marrow metastasis that is Vshojo. Ironmouse is the most subbed chuuba in the world bro, it's over. EN vtubing as in the first six months of Myth is a small niche now in comparison to the flood of normalfag Twitch cancer. Amelia doing a Twitch debut should tell you worlds about where even HoloEN is going, never mind other EN corpos.

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>>21668752
I will laugh when HoloMalesEN absolutely mogs your zhang baiting sellout.

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>>21653817
As someone who's joined Chloe's membership i'd say she's a Better Rushia.

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>>21752499
PLEASE DO
I DONT WANT MORE SHITTY WAVES
MOG THEM TO THE POINT OF KILLING ALL THE POTENCIAL MARKET PLEASE

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>>21681618
Seanigg spotted

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>>21752499
Can’t wait for NijiENfaggots to shut down

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>>21690263
I kneel, Nijichama.

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>>21690263
>You can't even talk about how selen looks like a fucking loser.
>Rosenigger
yep, go back to >>>/soc/, femboy faggot

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>>21753570
Selen's hand looks like shit.
cope dragoon.

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>>21649016
Even before that. NijiEN was perfect with just the 6.

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>>21648850

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>>21648850
Pandering to contrarians. Chinks saved them economically but at the expense of their contarian fans.

[Anonymous No.]

So do we know who's blocking NijiEN/Holopro collabs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21648850
They are turning into OTV. Any kayfabe has gone out the window.

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>>21648850
>EN
>most are ESL

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>>21690263
>mori is a complete cunt.
No one unironically thinks this.

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>>21756369
I think this, checkmate bitch